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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio and one.

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Speaker 2: And two and Hey Elizabeth Saron Burnette, what's up girl?

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Speaker 3: Hey sassy pants? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I was working on a chair dancing. You got so good? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's so good.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go pro Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you and that smile and

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Speaker 2: face yours?

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Do you know it's ridiculous I.

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Speaker 4: Do ridiculously cool, kind of like what she did the

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Speaker 4: other day with.

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Speaker 3: The talking about our Australian mustard plug.

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Speaker 4: Guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can one up you.

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Speaker 4: So we got a like the super Rude Dude Summer

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Speaker 4: Bristow from Jolly Old England. Nice heard me talking about

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Speaker 4: Dorito's black Garlic dip and that it was only available

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Speaker 4: in the UK, and she's like, I got you sent

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Speaker 4: to us a jar us me me a jar of

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Speaker 4: this dip from England's dope. And so I was like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta taste this. I gotta let everyone

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Speaker 4: know that like number one Rude Dude Summer just knocked

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Speaker 4: it out of the park. It is an interesting flavor,

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Speaker 4: it's very garlicy, but you didn't kind of taste the

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Speaker 4: food coloring it's not black garlic as in like fermented

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Speaker 4: black garlic. It's it's garlic that has dyed black. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's interesting because it's for stranger things like So, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I didn't I didn't watch that show, so

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Speaker 4: I guess they eat this kind of stuff or.

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Speaker 2: They only watched the first.

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Speaker 3: Swim in it. Either way, it was it was very.

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Speaker 2: Is this I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It could be if you cut the guy open and

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Speaker 4: it goes out, it looks like dip. Anyway, it's very garlicky,

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Speaker 4: which I love, sure, but like I said, very food coloring.

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Speaker 2: Ish a red number five flavor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, except for like vant to Black's number eight. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: I'm just I still can't get over the fact that

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Speaker 4: A I got to taste.

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Speaker 2: It after you know, talking about it, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Talking at you about it, and then b we had

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Speaker 4: someone who went to all that trouble.

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Speaker 3: Is the nicest thing.

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Speaker 2: Ever that is really considered. Thank you, soming So.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have that's I look at that as like

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Speaker 4: my next eight Christmas presents.

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Speaker 2: It was so cool. You just made her so happy, Somedy, Well,

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Speaker 2: I got one for you that's also ridiculous. Yes, please Okay,

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Speaker 2: try this on for size. Imagine that you think it's

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Speaker 2: a good idea to rob Johnny Cash and his family

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Speaker 2: at Christmas time in Jamaica.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I would not think that was a good idea.

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Speaker 2: I know. This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers. Heicce and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Ridiculous ridiculous Elizabeth oh Zaren.

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Speaker 2: Before I tell you this story, I have to ask

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Speaker 2: you a couple of questions as I want to do. Yes,

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Speaker 2: do you like country music?

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Speaker 3: I do well, I like outlaw country okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same, yet more than that house country. I feel

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Speaker 2: you on that.

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Speaker 3: I don't like contemporary country?

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Speaker 2: Well sure not maybe not contemporary. But do you like

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Speaker 2: anything older like the Carter Family? Yeah, Merle Travis, Merle Haggard.

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Speaker 3: Merle Haggard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there you go. Yeah, Okay, Now, second question, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, I don't like when they're all in a pickup

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Speaker 2: So like late eighties and on.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, because.

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Speaker 2: You like you know, Dolly Parton obviously, sure you know.

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Speaker 2: And then like I don't. I don't know how you

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Speaker 2: feel about like white yeah, Tammy Wow. Yeah, George Jones, No,

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Speaker 3: I like outlaw country. I like Willie Whalen Merle I

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chris Christopherson love Chris Christopherson. Well, I got another

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Speaker 2: Do you like Christmas music?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: And I had a conversation about this Christmas that you know.

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Speaker 4: I I was not always a fan of Christmas and

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Speaker 4: found it sort of inexplicably depressing. I don't really know why,

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Speaker 4: but I've been making an effort. I do love Christmas lights,

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Speaker 2: Okay, love them, Okay, Christmas lights.

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Speaker 3: Christmas music is not the greatest.

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Speaker 4: I used to work in an office that had a

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Speaker 4: squawk box, and it had a radio station that would

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Speaker 4: come through on it. It's like the local smooth jazz.

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Speaker 4: But then they go to Christmas music come December November,

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Speaker 4: and if I like, I would hear Santa Baby more

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Speaker 4: than once a day, and I thought, I have to

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Speaker 3: I can't work here.

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Speaker 2: I've worked retail, I know how that is. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there are some that are just done to death.

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Speaker 4: There are some Christmas carols. I really like Holy Night.

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Speaker 2: Sure that's beautiful. Well there's Christmas carols. There's also just

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Speaker 2: Christmas songs like the Christmas Waltz Frank Sinatras. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you love it?

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Speaker 3: Though you love Christmas music?

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Speaker 2: I do you love Christmas? Well? Yeah, well okay, I'll

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Speaker 2: put well first, let me ask you my third question.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll get back to that. How familiar are you

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Speaker 2: with Jamaica's place in the Cold War?

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Speaker 3: This is like the weirdest MASSI I'm not familiar.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got good news for you. Oh good. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to talk about Christmas music or really even

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Speaker 2: country music that is Christmas songs. Yeah, but we are

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Johnny Cash big time. You know.

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Speaker 3: I love Johnny Cash and.

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Speaker 2: Also Jamaica's place in the Cold War.

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Speaker 3: I love I love to learn about Jamaica's place in

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Speaker 3: the Cold.

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Speaker 2: This is a wild one, Elizabeth. So you do know

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Speaker 2: that I am a like I love the Christmas time season.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about that, and that's that means Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I like Christmas movies, not like the Hallmark themed holiday movies.

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Speaker 2: I mean like it's a wonderful life Billy Wilder's movie

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Speaker 2: The Apartment, which is actually a Christmas and a New

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Speaker 2: Year's Eve movie. They both Anyway, I even like Christmas

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Speaker 2: specials like Johnny cashtal Christmas specials.

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Speaker 3: What about all the Peanuts ones?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I like those, the Thanksgiving one Christmas. I like

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Speaker 2: Christmas themed episodes of TV shows, like when they do

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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, of course snowed in and we can't

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Speaker 2: so and so. You know, Like I love all that, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you miss your flight home and then

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Speaker 2: get invited to like the character they don't like on

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Speaker 2: I love that. What I'm saying is I'm a sentimental

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Speaker 3: Yeah you are. You are sentimental, But.

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Speaker 2: It appeals to It's intended to appeal to our best sides,

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Speaker 2: like our generosity, our sense of community, our awareness of

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Speaker 2: the loneliness of others. Sure right, I mean it hits

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Speaker 4: I feel like Thanksgiving accomplishes a lot of that without

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Speaker 4: the commercialism.

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Speaker 2: Well, I noticed I didn't mention any Christmas gift giving.

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Speaker 3: Or commercialism like the big thing though.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're sold on. I'm talking about real Christmas

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Speaker 2: entertainment is all about that other stuff.

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Speaker 3: You heartwarming thing, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I like my heart to be warmed. It's a cold sight, Elizabeth. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is a Christmas story, right, and it's a terribly

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Speaker 2: strange and violent Christmas story so perfect. It's everything I like,

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Speaker 2: and I think you'll enjoy it because, as I said,

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Speaker 2: it features Johnny Cash aka country music's man in black

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It also has real life Jamaican political rebels on right,

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Speaker 2: and it features a CIA backed Cold War stoogeer apparently.

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Speaker 2: Love a man anyway, Elizabeth, it's a ridiculous cold war

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Speaker 3: I am very excited for this.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to this, and also we're going to

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Speaker 2: touch on like the Bob Marley era of Jamaica. Right,

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Speaker 2: this just hits a lot of cylinder. But first we

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Speaker 2: need to talk about Jimmy Buffett. No, I know, thinking

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Speaker 2: why him, Why Jimmy Buffett. I know how much you

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Speaker 2: good reason to bring up Jimmy Buffett, and it most

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Speaker 2: certainly is ridiculous and it's criminal. Consider this in a

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Speaker 2: mouse boosh to get to the mood for Jamaica, and

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Speaker 2: then we'll get to Johnny Jamaica Christmas Miracle, which is

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Speaker 2: ridiculous for a whole different set of reasons. But okay, first,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffett. I don't know about you, but when I

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Speaker 2: a bad one, I think Jimmy Buffett. Really, but not

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Speaker 2: after this story I'm about to tell you, But Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: associated with Jamaica, I know. That's why I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you this. Did you know Jimmy Buffett was a pilot? Good?

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Speaker 2: Ye is? Sure? Do you know he had his own plane? Sure? Well,

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Speaker 2: he has actually a few planes, as he had this

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Speaker 2: one sea plane called Hemisphere Dancer, that was the name

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Speaker 2: sixteen Albatross flying boat. Yeah, I got a couple of

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Speaker 2: those myself, an Albatross flying boat. Elizabeth. It was a

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Speaker 3: What was it called Hemisphere Dancer?

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Speaker 2: Hemisphere dancer. Go ahead, hold it on like deep breath.

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Speaker 3: You know what, whatever makes people happy.

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Speaker 2: And and you know Jimmy Buffett loved the Caribbean and

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Speaker 2: its island paradise. Right. Did you know that the Jamaican

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Speaker 2: police once tried to shoot Jimmy Buffett right out of

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Speaker 3: God bless me.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd like this. See now, this may be

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Speaker 2: overstating it a bit, but I mean they did light

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Speaker 2: don't listen to me, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: It is like one of those terrible like I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's gone now, Rest in power, Jimmy Buffett.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like the horrible tourist.

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Speaker 4: Things where if I pay enough money, I can go

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Speaker 4: to Jamaica and shoot Jimmy Buffett out of the sky.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Vegas like they'll give you, Jimmy Buffett. Well,

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Speaker 2: I have an accounting of this that Jimmy Buffett told

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Speaker 2: your man Andy Cohen. We'll go on the show Live

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Speaker 2: with Andy Cohen. That's the show where he interviews celebrities.

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Speaker 3: Turns Christmas music on. We'll make this a real party.

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Speaker 2: So Andy Cohen's chatting up with Jimmy Buffett I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure he's there to like sell a book or a

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Speaker 2: new CD or a mango flavored margarita mix. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but he's telling stories from his wild life, right. And

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Speaker 2: Andy Cohen clearly has no interest in any of this interview,

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Speaker 2: much like you, right, but he's covering it up with

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Speaker 2: like up speak and fox excited voice. And so Andy

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Speaker 2: asked Jimmy a question like, Jimmy, Sean B. Wants to

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Speaker 2: know what was going through your mind when the Jamaican

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Speaker 2: government shot at your plane? And Jimmy's all smiled.

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Speaker 2: Days, Yes, the global humanitarian and Davos attendee was on

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Speaker 4: on New Year's Eve when he and Anderson giggly totally.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much just light them up. The way Bono told

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Speaker 3: What an international incident.

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Speaker 2: The song is called Jamaica mistaka spelled like like.

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Speaker 2: And he dropped it on the album name Banana Wind

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm like waiting to come to and this is

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Speaker 4: I hear jibberish about banana wind and Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: Mistake, Jamaica mistake. Oh god, So that used to be

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Speaker 2: But now, after researching this story, I will forever think

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Speaker 2: is what I want to share with you today, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: Happy Hondah days to you. Thank you so. First though,

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Speaker 2: Back in two We're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are. How amused.

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Speaker 3: I'm boushed out right now?

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Speaker 2: So where were we?

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Speaker 2: Right, Jamaica mistake, So skipping past Jimmy Buffett, Now before

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Speaker 3: Ask the man he's gone to the other Sure there

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Speaker 2: It's probably like you know, Kirby in there Caribbean slang.

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Speaker 3: All right, you keep going and I'll look it up.

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Speaker 2: education for elementary school, middle school, high school, even college,

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00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, like a modern European state. And then but

437
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: he's also doing land reform. He's building houses, he's building

438
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: daycare facilities, new hospitals. His government is also subsidizing meals

439
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: for the Hungary. He's fighting against all literacy, he's raising

440
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: pinches for the elderly. He's equalizing like the playing fields

441
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: like this. So his administration introduces equal pay for women.

442
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Henry Kissinger's like, this man must be stopped.

443
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: So Elizabeth Prime Minister Michael Manley he announces that Jamaica

444
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: is going to leave the Commonwealth and it's going to

445
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: become an independent republic, truly and dependent. And this is

446
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: when Queen Elizabeth in the UK turn Henry Kissinger loose.

447
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: They're like, have Adam Henry. So in nineteen seventy five,

448
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: Henry Kissingers he's acting as the both the Secretary of

449
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: State of the United States and the National Security Advisor.

450
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: He's doing both rule yes, yeah, And so that same year,

451
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, the CIA starts messing around in the

452
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: shadows in Jamaica. Meanwhile, Prime Minister Michael Manley he's helping

453
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: Cuba out, who's sending its armies and its doctors over

454
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: to Africa, specifically to Angola to aid in its war

455
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: against apartheid South Africa. So there's like all basically there's

456
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: like heavy duty Cold war internationalism going down, and Jamaica

457
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: is all a part of it. Throughout the second half

458
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: of the seventies. From seventy five on Kissinger, he's still

459
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: in charge of the State Department, even though he steps

460
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: down to his National Security Advisor. So the CIA, though,

461
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: stays busy trying to fomentous rebellion against Michael Manley and

462
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 2: his socialist administration. So the CIA, they back this dude

463
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: named Edward Siaga to be the next Prime Minister of Jamaica,

464
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: which was kind of a wild develop on its own,

465
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: because if you knew Edward Siaga back in the day,

466
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: he was just this Jamaican record producer. Oh really no, yeah,

467
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: So who is Edward Siaga? Who is Edward A great question, Elizabeth.

468
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: Edward Siaga was the leader of the opposition party through

469
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 2: the seventies, which was the Jamaican Labor Party, But in

470
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: his youth he'd been this like hip record producer guy

471
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: who's kind of a big deal in the Jamaican recording industry.

472
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: And importantly, he was born in the United States and

473
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: then he returned to the US for college, so he

474
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: attended Harvard graduates with a BA in social sciences. Then

475
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: he dips back to Jamaica and in the sixties he's

476
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: working as a music promoter. But then he he starts

477
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: his own music company, the whole thing, and then Edward Siaga,

478
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: this semi hip pan global cat. He's like he grows

479
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: up essentially, but he's really an interesting character because his

480
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: father is a Lebanese Jamaican descent. His mother is a

481
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: mix of Black African, Scottish and Indian descent, like East Indian, right, yeah,

482
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: so he's very much this representative mix of Jamaican population.

483
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: Sure yeah.

484
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: And also, like Michael Manley, he's born into wealth and privilege.

485
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: So after he's like dabbling in music production and they

486
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: said he grows up, he goes into politics. Then he

487
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: finesses his way into being the opposition leader against socialist

488
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: Michael Manley, and that's when the CIA approaches him and

489
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: the agency is like, how would you like to be

490
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: the next Prime Minister of Jamaica. This leads to the

491
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: full on craziness of the CIA in Jamaica. So in

492
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: the run up to the Jamaican elections scheduled for say

493
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: the beginning of seventy seven, Michael Manley's government is facing reelection.

494
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: Meanwhile CIA fomenting all kinds of nonsense. And this is

495
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: the same time when there's an assassination attempt against who

496
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: Bob Marley? Oh yeah, that's right, right, So the CIA

497
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: they suspect that Bob Marley is supporting Michael Manley and

498
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: his whole socialist agenda. So the CIA, they can't have

499
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: the most popular man in Jamaica sway the vote. Yeah.

500
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: So one night, some arm bad men try to kill

501
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: Bob Marley. I'm not saying the CIA is behind it,

502
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 2: but their fingerprints are all over it. So the story

503
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: goes in December third, nineteen seventy six. It's like two

504
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: and a half days before they're supposed to be this

505
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: huge show called Smile Jamaica. Sis cots her right, Yeah,

506
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: So Bob Marley's the headliner. The show is meant to

507
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: calm down all the political violence, and that particular night,

508
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: at around eight thirty at night, Bob Marley's chilling at

509
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: his house. And he doesn't have a house. He's got

510
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: a compound this fifty six Hope Road. It's huge. It's

511
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: basically a commune where he and his wife Rita live

512
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: with all of their kids and all these other people,

513
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: some members of his band. People are like sleeping outside,

514
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: like in groups of five, and it's just this wild

515
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Rastafarian compound.

516
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 6: Right.

517
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, that night, while they're chilling at fifty six Hope Road,

518
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: seven gunmen raid the compound and they start shooting at

519
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: whomever they think matters. So like Bob Marley's wife Rita,

520
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: she gets shot. She's sitting in a car when she

521
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: gets shot. And I don't mean like just wing. She's

522
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: shot in the head. She totally she survives, don't worry. Yeah,

523
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: But the gunmen they sneak further into compound and then

524
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: they poke their guns into the house and they just

525
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: let the guns spray. Remember there's kids all over the

526
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: place like that. Not of our problem, right, So Bob

527
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: Marley manager, he gets shot. Another man, like a band associate,

528
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: he gets shot. Then some gunmen stick their like their

529
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: weaponry into the kitchen door and they let off some shots.

530
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: They hit Bob Marley like two times right, the chest

531
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: in the arm. Yeah, it's bad, but obviously not fatal.

532
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: So good news, Elizabeth. All this gunfire, all those children

533
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: all around, None of the gun shots leave wounds that

534
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: are fatal, No one loses their life. Wow, right for

535
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: all that, Wow totally. Three days later, on December sixth,

536
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: Bob Marley shows up at the Smile of Jamaica concert

537
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: after being shot in the chest, and he's like, I'm

538
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: here to sing, right. So the two leaders, Prime Minister

539
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: Michael Manley and the opposition leader Edward Siaga, they stand

540
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: on stage together with Bob Marley between them, and he

541
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: lifts up both of their hands over his head. Ye

542
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: to like quell the political violence. Like he's like, and

543
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: everyone knows he's been shot. It's huge news, Like he

544
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: is a bad man. Right, but this is supposed to

545
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: be symbolic. It's supposed to say stop the violence. Right. So,

546
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: feeling this ground swell of support, Michael Manley moves up

547
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: elections to December fifteenth. Since it's parliamentary elections, it can

548
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: be moved around, so it works. He wins. So now

549
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Edward Siag and the CIA are like, who's gonna tell Kissinger. Right,

550
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: So the CIA, they don't give up. They're still deep

551
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: in their Cold War Shenanigans. Right, So for the next

552
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: few years there's all sorts of ramped up political violence.

553
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: Jamaica becomes the scene of all kinds of political fights.

554
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: And I'm talking like street gangs shooting at each other. Right,

555
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: it's bloody, it's ugly, it's bad. You got like street

556
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: gangs and rude boy Yardy's all going at it.

557
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 5: Right.

558
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Some are pro US and support Edward Siaga will others

559
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: they support the pro socialist Michael Manley. And it gets bad, Elizabeth, Like,

560
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: no joke in nineteen eighty, like eight hundred people get killed,

561
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: you're kidding, Oh yeah, And that's all just in Jamaica.

562
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: It gets bad. So by this point, Bob Marley he's

563
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: suffering from the toe cancer that would have actually go

564
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: on to kill him, so he can't step up to

565
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: help quell the political violence. It's ravaging Jamaica and the

566
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: CIA is just running amuck. So long story short, Edward

567
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 2: Siaga wins the nineteen eighty election and he becomes the

568
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: new pro US, pro British, pro capitalism Prime Minister of Jamaica.

569
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: The nation it doesn't leave the Commonwealth, it doesn't become

570
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: a fully independent republic, it stops supporting Cuba in order

571
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: to like, you know, symbolically align himself with Bob Marley,

572
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: who's obviously a symbol Jamaica to the rest of the world,

573
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: to the Jamaican people. In February of nineteen eighty one,

574
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: this new Prime Minister, Edward Siaga awards an ailing Bob

575
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: Marley with the Jamaican Order of Merit. Because if anything,

576
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: Edward Siaga, former music promoter turned prime minister, he knows

577
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: the power of fame. He knows the power of a

578
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: musician and had a hype cool, especially if it's a

579
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: world famous musician like Bob Marley or say Johnny Cash. Okay, Elizabeth,

580
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: now that we've reached nineteen eighty one, the moment when

581
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash takes center stage, I've teased this long enough.

582
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: We shot down Jimmy Buffett, we nearly assassinated body. You've

583
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: elected numerous Jamaican Prime ministers, and now the CIA has

584
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: installed their man in power, one Edward Siaga. So things

585
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: look like they're going well for them. That is, you know,

586
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: if you're Henry Kissinger and into this madness. Is Johnny

587
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: Cash pops down to Jamaica.

588
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: Amazing?

589
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: So, like, what's up with country music legend spending Christmas

590
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: in Jamaica? Like that's curious, right, Johnny Cash isn't known

591
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: as a big time pothead. No, right, so like what

592
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: was the draw for him?

593
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: And what year is this?

594
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty one so he's still No, he's out of

595
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: the throes of all the pil addiction.

596
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone to Betty Betty Ford Center. Yeah, so

597
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: he's Yeah, he's not popping the speed pills. He's like

598
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: big on his Jesus moment at this point, he's like

599
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: doing the gospel songs with June Carter.

600
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: Did Keith Richards loan of his house?

601
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: No, The story goes Johnny Cash buys his own home

602
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: in Jamaica in an area called Montego Bay, which I

603
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: think you're probably familiar from, like the Beach Boys song.

604
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't know they mentioned Hey Montigue, No is that figured?

605
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't listen to Beach Boys, but it seemed like

606
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: he listened Beach Boys. Yeah. So anyway, the house he

607
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: buys it used to be a planter's house or what

608
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: we in the US would call it. Plantation.

609
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

610
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a way to skirt around that one.

611
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's an old sugar plantation, and like plantations

612
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: in the South in the US, the house has a

613
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: name and everything. It's called cinnamon Hill.

614
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

615
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: Now, most of the year, Johnny Cash and his wife

616
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: June Carter, they live in Hendersonville, Tennessee. After they had

617
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: this big home, the same home where Chris Christopherson showed

618
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: up with the stolen helicopter looking to give this demo. Okay,

619
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: well we've covered that before, so I won't get into that,

620
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: but I told you this is also a similar ridiculous

621
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: crime because part of the year, Johnny and June they

622
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: live in Jamaica. Because Johnny Cash just loves Jamaica. Well

623
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: it is Johnny Cash once said of the island, Jamaica

624
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: has renewed me more times than I can count. Partly

625
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: it's the isolation. It's not Nashville or Tennessee or even

626
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: the United States. So Johnny Shack likes to go down

627
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: to his place and Cinnamon Hill to get away from

628
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: being Johnny Cash country music legend. He can just be Jr.

629
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: Like how the family used to call him back in Arkansas. Right,

630
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: So he first buys Cinnmon Hill in seventy two. This

631
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: place has history, I mean like it has so much history.

632
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: It has ghosts. Elizabeth Waylon Jennings who you mentioned, Yeah,

633
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: and his wife Jesse Coulter, they both claim to have

634
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: heard a ghost at this house.

635
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 6: Right.

636
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: But it's better than that because Johnny Cash said he

637
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: personally saw a ghost. He saw a woman walk through

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: a locked door. Oh well, here's how he tells it. Well,

639
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: once a woman appeared in the dining room when six

640
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: of us were present. We all saw she came through

641
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: the door leading to the kitchen, a person in her

642
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: early thirties, i'd say, wearing a full length white dress,

643
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: and proceeded across the room toward the double doors in

644
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: the opposite wall, which were closed and locked. She went

645
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: through them without opening them, and then from the other

646
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: side she knocked r out of Tat tat right, a

647
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: tat tat. So they're always wearing long white dresses. It's

648
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: because of the eighteen hundreds and the seventeen that's which

649
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: you wore back then.

650
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: How they get along. She's been so foggy lately.

651
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: How great would it be to have to see a

652
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: ghost who's like wearing like, I don't know, in Adidas

653
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: tracksuit from the nineties.

654
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 6: You know.

655
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like.

656
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: I'm going to get a long white dress and go

657
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: wander around in the fog, hopefully not get hit by

658
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: a car. Yeah, but you know, scare some people.

659
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to get along black dress and then do

660
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: the whole country song.

661
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: A long black veil.

662
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

663
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: Well, just you know, we'll be like spy versus spies.

664
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: So, Elizabeth, this house, Cinnamon Hill, it was built back

665
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: in seventeen thirty four, so that's part of the reason

666
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: why you're seeing.

667
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: That some bad, bad business going on there.

668
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this house saw some rough times and like

669
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, slavery, so it was a sugar plantation a

670
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: human being. So I say rough times violently doing so

671
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: very much an understatement, yes, violent, violent, violent. Right. Anyway,

672
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: now you are fully ready to hear the story of

673
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash in his Christmas miracle.

674
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: You have all the pieces in I have everything I

675
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: need to know.

676
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: But first let's take a break.

677
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: Well, but first, here's something you need to know. Sure

678
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: I looked up banana winds.

679
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: Oh you did, and.

680
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: When you know how you do Google, and they have

681
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 4: the AI overview now, which is usually wrong.

682
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: So I'm going to read it, okay, perfect It says.

683
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: Banana wind can refer to a strong wind that blows

684
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: bananas off trees, or is the name of the nineteen

685
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: ninety six Jimmy Buffett album. In the context of the album,

686
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: banana wind is a metaphor for a strong emotional breeze

687
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: that blew through his music, which blends various genres. The

688
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: term can also refer to a beautiful yellow iris with

689
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: a subtle fragrance named banana wind.

690
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: This album will knock the fruit out of your.

691
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: Trees and strong emotional breeze.

692
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that was me, Jimmy.

693
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: So anyway out Now we know everything we need to know.

694
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: Now we are the wall is built. So let's take

695
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: a little break. Lit's just some ads and when we're

696
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: at least some banana wind gonna rob Johnny Cash at Christmas.

697
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, we're back. We're back.

698
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: How you doing.

699
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: So we've had our fun, but now it's time to

700
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: get to the real deal. Do you smell that with

701
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: the banana win? Banana win? So do you make a

702
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: mistake over there? It's the interns. I'm releasing Banana Win.

703
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: So that's who you're gonna blame them. So I'm calling

704
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: this Johnny Cash and is Jamaican Christmas Time Miracle. That's

705
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: a good title. Good Like as I told you, Elizabeth,

706
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: this story takes place in nineteen eighty one, ten years

707
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: before Point Break was released. No, what year did play?

708
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Eighteen ninety one?

709
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: Eighty one?

710
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 4: You know that was five years before Banana Wind was released?

711
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: No, fifteen, He came out in nineteen ninety six.

712
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety six.

713
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about eighty four. Point break.

714
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 4: Relative took break is my reference for everything.

715
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: Of course, Utah, give me two.

716
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 4: I am an f B I agent with Banana Wind.

717
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: Go ahead. It's Christmas time. Johnny Cash takes his family

718
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: down to Cinnamon Hill for the holidays. There's this is okay,

719
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: June Carter. There's it. That's his wife. There's their son,

720
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: John Carter Cash. He brings a friend with him, this

721
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: boy named Doug Caldwell.

722
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

723
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: Also with them are some other family members, Like there's

724
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash, his sister Reba Hancock and her husband Chuck Hussey.

725
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: Also one of Johnny's friends, this archaeologist guy named Ray Fremmer.

726
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: And there's that they also have their their house stacked

727
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: with normal archaeologists, totally right. They also have a cook

728
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: and her stepdaughter who works at that guy as a

729
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: maid at a local house in Jamaica. And then they

730
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: also have their house manager from who's the one who

731
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: takes care of their house back in Tennessee, but who

732
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: comes down with them for the holidays to like manage that.

733
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, well, then who's watching the house

734
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: in Tennessee?

735
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson. Oh, that's right, Stle helicopter flew back over.

736
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: So what they don't have at the house though, are

737
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: security guards?

738
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

739
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: In fact, Johnny also like to leave the doors unlocked

740
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: at Cinnamon Hill. And as we've covered, there are all

741
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: sorts of political violence and cold war stuff going on

742
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: in Jamaica at this same time. Even though Edward Siaga

743
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: has been elected, they have released at tention that cannot

744
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: just be put back a light switch, cannot turn it off.

745
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: There's street gang still fighting and still like getting mad

746
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: and like you know, getting violent at each other.

747
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 4: Word travels fast, I imagine, and so all it takes

748
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: is one person to say, you know, they have no security.

749
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got Johnny Cash up there, so smash

750
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 2: cut December twenty third. The details of what went down

751
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: that night were shared in a UPI syndicated story originally

752
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: published by the Tennesseean. I want to give them credit

753
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: even though I found it reprinted in the Fort Pierce

754
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: Port Saint Lucy Tribune. It's a UPI syndicated story anyway.

755
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: The story is told a reporter by the brother in law,

756
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: Chuck Hussey. He tells the story of how Johnny Cash

757
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: is Jamaican Christmas Time miracle goes down. So, according to

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: the UPI story, Johnny Cash, his family and guests had

759
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: their heads bowed in prayer at the dinner table when

760
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: three armed men burst through the dining room door of

761
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: their Jamaican estate overlooking the Caribbean. So the three men,

762
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: mind you, Elizabeth, are wearing pantyhose over their heads.

763
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: And pantyhose all over their bodies.

764
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: They're all young. The leader of the crew is likely

765
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: in his twenties. The other two look to be in

766
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: their teens. Okay, bad mon, Yeah, So back in ninety seven,

767
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash, he shared bits of this story with us Weekly.

768
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: According to him, we were sitting down to Christmas dinner,

769
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 2: and suddenly three robbers came in, one with a gun,

770
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: one with a knife, and one with a hatchet. They

771
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: told us to hit the floor. So the leader yells,

772
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna die here tonight, and you're like, what the

773
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: In a response, Johnny Cash leaps up from his chair

774
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: and he demands, what do you want now? The masked

775
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: men with the gun points his gun at the boy

776
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: that he thinks is Johnny Cash's son, and he shouts

777
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: everything the boy dies right now. According to one account

778
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: I read, the ringleader also yelled, everybody do as I say,

779
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: or John Carter's gun to die.

780
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Oh how nobody move, nobody get airt right? Yeah?

781
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: How did he know the boy's name? I don't know.

782
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: I don't know.

783
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: But it turns out he isn't pointing the gun at

784
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: John Carter Cash. He's pointing it out of port Dunk Caldwell.

785
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: He's probably wetting himself at this point because they're both

786
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: eleven year old boys. And so anyway, the armed men

787
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: they quickly figure out their mistake, and then the leader

788
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: corrects his aim and points his gun at John Carter Cash. Elizabeth,

789
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: can we pause for a moment to consider a question.

790
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Can you imagine thinking it's a good idea to rob

791
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash on Christmas let alone, threatening the life of

792
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: his son at gunpoint.

793
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: No, I can't imagine that's a good idea.

794
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: So what happens next? Great question?

795
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm so glad you asked.

796
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Back to the UPI story, according to Cash's brother in law,

797
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Hussy said, the robbers forced everyone to lie face down

798
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: on the floor and then, as the brother in law

799
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: you know elaborates, they held guns to everybody's head. Hussy

800
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: said they pushed and shoved and had the guns constantly exposed,

801
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: asking all the time if we wanted to die. We

802
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: were told not to look at them. They kept asking

803
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: do you want to die?

804
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 6: Mon?

805
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: Keep your head down man.

806
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 3: Now, Later on I would like, yes, yes, I did

807
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: free me from.

808
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: This this what? So later on Johnny Cash's son, John

809
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Carter Cash, he wrote a memoir about his life and

810
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: he tells the same story in his book and the

811
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: book is called Anchored in Love like a boat anchor

812
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: sure right, And in it, John Carter he says how

813
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: the masked men with the gun holds it to his

814
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: head and makes him repeat, say you would die if

815
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: they do not give us three million dollars. So, despite

816
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: the armed men's he didn't quote any mond in there, No,

817
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: he did not.

818
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: And did he have to say it tree or three?

819
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: I just added that for you. I'm just working with you, Elizabeth, just.

820
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: Trying to put myself in that like what is the

821
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 4: guy says three million dollars? And then little Johnny Cash

822
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: Junior is all true.

823
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: What are you making fun of me?

824
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: And then they get to see anyway, don't.

825
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 2: You have any cultural sensitivity? So, despite the armed men's

826
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: demands that Johnny Cash handover a million or tree or

827
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: so to save his son's life, Johnny Cash has to

828
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: explain them he don't have it, ye right, He's like, look,

829
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: did Jamaican government would never allow me to bring that

830
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: much cash into your country. I can't just fly. I

831
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: don't have Jimmy Buffett over here. So, according to his

832
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: book Anchored in Love, after they realized that they won't

833
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: get a loose million or tree the armed mask men,

834
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: they changed their plan. So, as John Carter recalls it,

835
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: one of the bandits said they were going to take

836
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: us at a time, like around the house to our

837
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: room so we could give them all the money and

838
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: valuables we had. We were completely at their mercy, not

839
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: that they seemed to have any. Now, if like me,

840
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: you're wondering what Johnny Cash does while there's a gun

841
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: pointed at his boy's head. According to Hussy, he and

842
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: Cash worked out a plan to follow if anyone was shot.

843
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: John and I lay there whispering that we would take

844
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: a chair and charge the man with the hatchet. Hussy said,

845
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: So their plan is, I guess, take him out first

846
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: and just hope the guy with a gun is bad

847
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: aim I got. I don't know, but at this point

848
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: they all head crazy bad head. At this point, the

849
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: our men tell everyone to take off their jewelry, their watches,

850
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: hand them over. Now you may be wondering, Saren, I'm

851
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: not hearing a Christmas miracle now right now, I didn't

852
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: think so well to answer where the Christmas miracle part

853
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: of the story is, Elizabeth. I'd like you to close

854
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: your eyes and I'd like you to picture it. It's

855
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: the twenty third of December, and all through the house

856
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of creatures are stirring, except for a mouse.

857
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Because at the moment, a Jamaican badmn is planting a

858
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: gun at the head of Johnny Cash's son, and you, Elizabeth,

859
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: are a knife in the hand of a Jamaican rebel.

860
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: At the moment your a shiny metal blade gazes down

861
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: at all the folks lying head down on the floor

862
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: of the dining room of the Cinnamon Hills House. They

863
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: seem presently terrified, partly because of you, but most certainly

864
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: because of the gun aimed at the head of Johnny

865
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: Cash and June Carter's boy. John Carter, the so called

866
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: rebel who grips you tight in his somewhat sweaty hand,

867
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: he seems nervous. He's young, while the leader, much older

868
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: who holds the gun seems cool as a polar bear's toenails.

869
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: You hear him bark in order that he's gonna take

870
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: John Carter Cash with him on a tour of the

871
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: home so they can find whatever jewelry and valuables there

872
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: are to grab. He lifts the eleven year old boy

873
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: roughly to his feet. You hear the man in black

874
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: ask the gun wielding bad Mond to please remove the

875
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: gun from his son's head. The masked and armed man

876
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: sneers back. Don't worry about it, man and with that,

877
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: off you go the leader gunman. He leads the boy

878
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: to the wing of the house with the bedrooms. The

879
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: bad man with the hatchet follows, as does the man

880
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: who clutches you in hand. You're taken into the master bedroom,

881
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: where you sure hope you won't be plunged into a

882
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: mattress again to cut it open to reveal some hidden

883
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: jewels or whatnot, or worse yet, plunged into Johnny Cash's boy.

884
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: You hear the gun toting leader ask John Carter a

885
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: curious question, what do you do down here? The boy

886
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: hesitates to answer, so the masked man asks him what

887
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: do you like to do in Jamaica? Still scared, the

888
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: boy doesn't answer that question either. The armed man asks

889
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: another question, in a softened voice, do you snarkle? This

890
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: finally result at a wordless answer. The boy shakes his

891
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: head to say no. The man holding you in his

892
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: hand is amused by this line of questioning and laughs

893
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: to himself as he checks the bedside table for rings, earrings,

894
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: whatever he can find. He turns quickly as you both

895
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: hear the armed leader ask another question, do you wanta

896
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: fole my gun? You see the masked armed man hold

897
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: out his gun till the eleven year old boy as

898
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: if he would hand it over to him. This makes

899
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: no sense to you. As a thinking knife. You and

900
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: the man holding you in his semi sweaty hand are

901
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: riveted to see the boy's reaction. Will he take the

902
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: gun from the Jamaican bad mun John Carter Cash bravely

903
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: looks up at the man into his eyes, the same

904
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: eyes he can barely see through the paneos the man

905
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: wears on his head in order to hide his face.

906
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: And then he looks down at the gun, the one

907
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: that's been aimed at his head but is now reached

908
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: out if he wants to grab it. John Carter Cash

909
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: doesn't take the gun. Instead, he says, no, sir, I

910
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: don't play with guns. I have a lot of respect

911
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: for them. They're very dangerous. You guess Johnny Cash is

912
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: raising his boy right. He respects what a gun can do.

913
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: He likely also respects what a sharp knife like you

914
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: can do too. And then you hear the mask Jamaican

915
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: bad Man laugh, and he says in response, I like

916
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: youme on. He pulls the gun back, and he indicates

917
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: to his partners to follow him back to the dining

918
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: room to rejoin the others. When you come back into

919
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: the dining room, you see the relief fill Johnny Cash's

920
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: face and June Carter's eyes wet with waiting tears spread

921
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: wide at the sight of her son, who's still very

922
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: much alive. It's a Christmas time miracle. As the menace

923
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: in the room begins to fade away, John Carter Cash

924
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: has disarmed the anger of the intruders, and you are

925
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: also relieved. Even though you are a knife you still

926
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: abhor wonton violence, especially death at Christmas time. So there

927
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: you go, Elizabeth. Now, if you're wondering what Johnny Cash

928
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: was thinking while all this was going down, like, was

929
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: he praying to God to protect his son, I don't

930
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: have answers for that, I would assume, so, yeah, but

931
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 2: I do know this, Johnny Cash said at one point,

932
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: I really wasn't scared, except I was uneasy when the

933
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: one with the gun held it on my son. I

934
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: guess I was scared, but I couldn't let myself show it.

935
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: So he's trying to act tough. Johnny Cash got into

936
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: the place where he's trying to act tougher than he is. Yeah, exactly,

937
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: Luckily for Johnny, as you just saw, the arm bad

938
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: men did return John Carter Cash unharmed, and this helps

939
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: change the mood in the house. After that, the Jamaican

940
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: bad men quote took each person that there was, one

941
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: at a time and went from room to room looking

942
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 2: for valuables. This now lasts for the next two hours.

943
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: Two hours searching this place.

944
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: One at a time. Yeah, so, Elizabeth, it's pretty wild

945
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: that this Christmas dinner starts out with an armed man

946
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: who's wearing pantyhose on his head, who bursts into the

947
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: house yelling someone's going to die here tonight, and then

948
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: surprising with the same night ends without a single casualty

949
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: or exactly now. Also, rather than rip and ransack the place,

950
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: once they were satisfied with their haul of stolen loot,

951
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: the armed masked men, they ordered Johnny Cash and his

952
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: family and guests to get up off the floor and

953
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: then they lead them down to the basement. Now you

954
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: already know nothing bad is going to happen to them,

955
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: but remember they don't know exactly, So immediately some of

956
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: the women start crying, assuming they're being led down to

957
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: the basement to be murdered. Sure like a whole leave

958
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: no witnesses moment. Right, So the cook she falls out,

959
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: she faints. She's like, no, please, don't Lord Jesus, right,

960
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: So in response, the armed men bring her a cool

961
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: glass of water to drink. This relaxes the people because

962
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: now it seems less like they're going to be murdered

963
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: in the basement of a Jamaican plantation. In fact, according

964
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: to the UPI story, after the cook faints and they

965
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: bring her water, the armed masks men also bring down

966
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: some Christmas turkey, oh like a whole platter.

967
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 6: Right.

968
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: The UPI story said that they did that so that

969
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: the families quote seasonal celebrations would not be entire ruined. So,

970
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: being two growing boys, John Carter and his friend Doug,

971
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: they get busy and they mow down all that turkey.

972
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: They eat their fill. At this point, the bad men

973
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: barricade them all in the cellar and they lock them inside,

974
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: and then they are a mask man. They hop in

975
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: June Carter's land rover and they tear off into the

976
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: dark of the Jamaican night. If you're wondering how the

977
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: family gets out of the cellar, it just so happens.

978
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: You might imagine as Johnny Cash would later tell us Weekly,

979
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: I took a two by four after they left and

980
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: broke the door down, But by then the arm masked

981
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: bad men. They're gone. There's somewhere with like thirty five

982
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: to fifty thousand. I saw different amounts that they reported

983
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: somewhere between thirty five thousand and fifty thousand dollars worth

984
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: of jewelry and valuables. Now, when Johnny Cash tells this

985
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: story later on, in like one of his biographies or autobiographies,

986
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: rather he tells the story, he leaves out the fact

987
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: that the bad men stole a large cache of shoes,

988
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking like one hundred and seventy five pairs

989
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: shoes to be exactly. I a couple questions, Melda Marcos.

990
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, did he travel with all these? Did he just

991
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: have them shipped down? How many pairs of shoes does

992
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 4: one man need?

993
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: Is it was it just his? Was it everybody's shoes?

994
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: Totally? Why one hundred and seventy five shoes? Johnny? Is

995
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: he a shoe guy?

996
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: Were they in boxes? Is that why they were stolen?

997
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: Were they worn it?

998
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: I have a lot of.

999
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: You're you're forgetting who we're talking about. As did I

1000
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: when I was reading about this, because Elizabeth the shoes

1001
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: are intended as a Christmas time donation to a local

1002
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: orphanage that Johnny Cash and June Carter supported.

1003
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 3: What if the name of the of his like charity

1004
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: was walk the line?

1005
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're good.

1006
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: I did not even dawn on me. I thought I shouldn't.

1007
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have thought he'd be so selfish, I know,

1008
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: but I did the same thing. I was like, Johnny,

1009
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: why I got some damn shoes. So, once they're all

1010
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: freed from the seller, Hussey, the brother in law, he

1011
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 2: leaves the Simon Hill State with one of the staff

1012
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: to go alert the police about the robbery. So, according

1013
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: to the account that Hussey shared with the UPI, when

1014
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: they contact the authorities, the police inspectors like, oh yeah.

1015
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: They end up telling Johnny Cash and them that those

1016
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: same robbers who busted in on their Christmas dinner were

1017
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: known bad men. They were members of a terrorist group

1018
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: according to the police. Now, in fact, the leader of

1019
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: the group had been shot and killed by the police

1020
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 2: a week prior, not the same one.

1021
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: They just put it aside and went out and got

1022
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: back to work.

1023
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: We right back to work, the professionals, semi professionals. So

1024
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: the police they had developed this working theory that perhaps

1025
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: robbing Johnny Cash was an inside job because the robbers

1026
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: sure knew a lot about the family. They knew to

1027
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: threaten John Carter right. They also, the Jamaican cops could

1028
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: come to believe that perhaps the robbers had even been

1029
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: to the house before because based on their familiarity with

1030
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 2: it and the fact that they knew no security would

1031
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: be there.

1032
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.

1033
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: So like, were they delivery people, were they workmen? Were

1034
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: they friends of neighbors? Who knows? But what we do

1035
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: know is that what happens after the break in, two

1036
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: of the arm mask men they get caught and arrested

1037
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: at Donald Sankster International Airport, named for the former prime minister.

1038
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: They get busted in Montego Bay at the airport. You

1039
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: both had tickets to Miami, and as Hussey told the UPI,

1040
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: we were told they had a fence in Miami. So

1041
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: at least they did think of that part. They had

1042
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: a fence. We always tease these guys and they make

1043
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: they don't have so true. But I don't know. I

1044
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: don't know about you, Elizabeth, but I kind of doubt

1045
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: they'd get top dollar in Miami, Like, I don't know

1046
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: if the provenance of the jewels would be properly appreciated,

1047
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: Like who knows of a fence working in Miami in

1048
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one is a country music fan or even

1049
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: like would know who June Carter is. You know, it's

1050
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: like these are June Carter's. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I'm

1051
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: a cocaine cowboy.

1052
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't take it to Nashville, No.

1053
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: Exactly where do you? They took it to Miami and

1054
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: they had a fence there, so they're like working like

1055
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, like the cocaine cowboy like rounde.

1056
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Either way, most of the stolen valuables they get recovered

1058
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: when they bust them. So John Carter cast said in

1059
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: his memoir the whole incident was well, as he put it,

1060
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: yeah that was quite a night. I love his impulse

1061
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: to downplay the whole night. But how many crazy knights

1062
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: you seen this?

1063
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: As you're thinking, like if it doesn't rank in like

1064
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: the top ten.

1065
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Right, yes? So anyway, how does Prime Minister Edward Siaga

1066
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: come into play into this scenario? You great, great question

1067
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: Elizabeth As. The UPI story from the days after the

1068
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: incident reports Jamaican police, fearing the impact of the publicity

1069
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: on their fragile tourism industry, have had no comment about

1070
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: the robbery. However, there was one man who wanted to

1071
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: get ahead of the narrative. One Edwards Siaga, the tool

1072
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: of the CIA, a man elected in the fraught violent

1073
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Jamaican elections. Yeah, the same man, as I said,

1074
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: brought to power by the CIA backed unrest that now

1075
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: that no one can quite put away. They're like, stop it.

1076
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: What is this the French Revolution? I said, stop it. So,

1077
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: according to the UPI story, the Jamaican Prime Minister Edward

1078
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: Siaga personally apologized to Cash. Personally, the Prime Minister was like,

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Speaker 2: come on, Johnny. Now, they didn't even do that for

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00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffett, you know, they shot him out of the

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00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: sky with bonhom They're like, I don't know, send him.

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00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 2: I had out. So they're also reports that the Prime

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00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: Minister ordered an armed guard of Jamaican soldiers from the

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Speaker 2: Jamaican Defense Force to encircle the home and keep Johnny

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Speaker 2: Cash in Cinnamon Hill safe. The symbolism of his actions

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00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: were pretty clear at the time there would be no

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00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: more violence against rich white men, especially influential all American

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00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: types like Johnny Cash. So obviously Siago's leadership very much

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00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: pleases Margaret Thatcher and the newly elected US President Ronald Reagan.

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00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're geeked that they have this guy in

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00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: Jamaica and that Jamaica is no longer a friend of Cuba.

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00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: And thus it marks the beginning of a new era

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Speaker 2: for the Caribbean and for the Western world. It kind

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00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: of stops the turning tide of the of communism socialism

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00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: in the Western hemisphere. And why because a man like

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00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: Edward Siaga knew how to shrewdly align himself with both

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00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: Bob Marley and Johnny Cash. He knew how to co

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00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: opt those rebels and signal to all the world that

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00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: Jamaica is now a playground for the rich and the

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00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: and the cultural rebels, but not the militant Yeah. So, now,

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00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: am I suggesting that CIA backed viol it's going down

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00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: in the Jamaican streets is somehow related to these former

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00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: rebels who were this so called terrorists? Yes, i am,

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Speaker 2: And also am I suggesting that it was connected the

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: same sort of lawlessness that almost took Bob Marley's life.

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Speaker 2: And then I'll now threaten Johnny Cash. I also, but

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: I don't know that for a fact. I do know

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00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash naively chalked up what went down in that

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00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: night to what he called the Ganja Wars. Oh, because

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00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of That's how he described it.

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00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: That vastly understates what was going down at Jamaica. But Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I will say that Edward Siagas certainly knew how to

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Speaker 2: use this moment to his benefit. And I think it's

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00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 2: ultimately fitting we give the final words to the man

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Speaker 2: in black himself. In his autobiography, Johnny Cash wrote that

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Speaker 2: he considered what happened that night as well as he

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00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: put it, I'm out of answers. My only certainties are

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00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: that I agree for desperate young men and the societies

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00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: that produce and suffer so many of them. I felt

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00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: that I knew those boys. We had a kinship they

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00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: and I. I knew how they thought. I knew they needed.

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00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: They were like me. He's talking about trucks. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: there it is, Elizabeth. But there's our second Christmas Time miracle.

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00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash gets robbed. They point guns at his son,

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00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: his wife, him, his friends, his archaeologist. Yes, they threatened

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00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: to kill someone. They steal valuables, and they steal his

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: shoes for an orphanage. And he never demonizes Jamaica. It's

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00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: people or even those bad men. Yeah, Instead, Johnny Cash

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00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: walks away identifying with the armed bad men. He sees

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00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: himself in them. I think, old baby Jesus.

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Speaker 4: You know you gotta you gotta give it up to

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00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: Johnny Cash is true Christians.

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00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Right, that's the kind of Christian that I'm like, hats off. Sorry,

1134
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: I can see how your your spirituality informs your life exactly,

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00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: how you walk the line, right you do. What's a

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00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway?

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00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: Here, mess Johnny Cash?

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00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: Right, that's just yeah, that should that should be a

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00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: global thing. I mean, obviously he's not around anymore to

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: mess with, but even just in his spirit, don't step

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00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: to him, Sarah, what's your ridiculous take away?

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you try real hard and sometimes you

1143
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: jamake a mistake.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's sweet, Banana Winds.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you're in the mood for talkback. We can

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Speaker 2: watch this down like it with a cool dacker Eam

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00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: produce a d Can you favor us with a nice

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: and tasty one? Oh?

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I love get.

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: Hey rude dudes.

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Speaker 5: I just listened to the Pizza Connection episode excellent title,

1152
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: by the way, and I have a related story. About

1153
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: ten years ago, I was renting a house with some

1154
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 5: friends in kind of a sketchy neighborhood like you do

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 5: in your twenties. A KFC up the street from us

1156
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Speaker 5: was eventually busted for selling drugs out the drive through

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 5: window openly like people were ordering a ten piece and

1158
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 5: a dimebag. That was our cue to move. Obviously, thanks

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Speaker 5: for the podcast, and I'm looking forward to the loof

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 5: Heistuff episode.

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Speaker 2: Yes, time back a ten piece?

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I like that dimebag, extra crunchy, extra sticky.

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's so good.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that one. And uh we obviously

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00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: we'd love your talkback, So please go to the iHeart

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Speaker 2: app downloaded and you can leave a talk back there

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: maybe to hear your voice here, we would love to

1169
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: hear it. And uh you can also find us online

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00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: at Ridiculous Crime on our social media that's mostly Instagram,

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Speaker 2: a blue sky. I think I think somewhere else, maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And we have the account Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: Pod on YouTube, so go check that out if you

1174
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: prefer listening on YouTube. And we have our website, Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime dot com, which we we didn't get nominated for

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Speaker 2: any awards this week. I think we're slacking, I know,

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: but whatever, So that's okay. So now you can't win

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Speaker 2: every week. So you can email us though if you

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Speaker 2: want at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. We'd love

1180
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: to hear from you. We've been getting some great ones

1181
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: if we think about putting together a mailbag episode, so

1182
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: please send us some ridiculous Confessions stories, you know, things

1183
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: you found. We'd love to hear it. As always, thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening and we will catch you next crime.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnett,

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: produced and edited by Johnny Cash's favorite podcast producer, mister

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: Dave Kustin, and starring analyst Rucker Is Judith. Research is

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: by our very own Tennessee two Marissa Brown and Jabbari Davis.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by our resident June Carter, fanboys

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Speaker 2: Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. The host wardrobe provided by

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Speaker 2: Body five hundred guest hair and makeup by Sparkleshop and

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: mister Andre. Executive producers are Henry Kissinger, Anti Fan Club

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Speaker 2: presidents Ben Bolin and Noel.

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