Speaker 1: Hi guys, it is post election. Kara here to just
Speaker 1: give you a little note that we recorded this episode
Speaker 1: before the election. Obviously we were in the time machine
Speaker 1: and so it does not reflect our feelings tonally of
Speaker 1: how things went.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 3: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 3: vicious felonies.
Speaker 2: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, yay.
Speaker 3: Another episode of that Smessed Up an Sview podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and you
Speaker 1: know we talk about an sview episode, a true crime,
Speaker 1: and we interview somebody from the episode. But first we chat,
Speaker 1: we catch up. We've been doing things, but you've been busy.
Speaker 1: What's been going on?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I do have uh, well, I have a lot of
Speaker 3: Halloween stuff I guess written out okay, I thought.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: Well, and we you know, we wanted to give a
Speaker 3: shout out to everyone that wore costumes came to our
Speaker 3: live show. It was fun. I guess we'll start there.
Speaker 3: Loved it. That was like a dream. In San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Someone was like a moving Scott fully killing.
Speaker 2: A woman with a hammer.
Speaker 3: In a TV screen with a DVD player and then
Speaker 3: with Casey Novak and the or no Sonya Paxton and
Speaker 3: the DVD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. We had mixing up the wigs.
Speaker 1: In my mind, we had an Amelia Chase in San Diego,
Speaker 1: which was Diane's character.
Speaker 2: We just covered that episode recently. We had it. It
Speaker 2: had like in la it.
Speaker 3: Had like makeup on on the rope and the rope
Speaker 3: burn from her sexual sadism exactly detail Sokky Little Murderer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. And then and in Denver a
Speaker 1: couple of people were us like it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was really cute. I've that's never happened to me
Speaker 1: before anyone stressed up as me for Halloween. So I
Speaker 1: really loved that.
Speaker 3: No, I loved it, and I thought there'd be more
Speaker 3: Chimp Crazy costumes out in the wild. But what I
Speaker 3: noticed is the top costumes in terms of my feed,
Speaker 3: what I've been seeing is ray Gun the breakdancer from Australia,
Speaker 3: and a lot of Lana del Rey and an alligator guy.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: I saw at least two or three amazing chimp Lady
Speaker 1: Chimp Crazy.
Speaker 3: Cos I just thought there'd be more. I did see
Speaker 3: a few. I did love them. I just thought there
Speaker 3: it would be chimp crazy all over town and it wasn't.
Speaker 3: But I guess Lebron just wore the scream mask. And
Speaker 3: someone wrote that he just keeps being such millennial, and
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that kind of post. I do want
Speaker 3: to tell you my vibe at the moment, if I
Speaker 3: have to be honest. I finished, so I landed from
Speaker 3: a flight, and then my place. You know how you're
Speaker 3: supposed to clean before you came home. I did the opposite,
Speaker 3: and so I just started like cleaning, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's still spooky season in my heart. I just finished
Speaker 3: Barbarian maybe seventeen minutes ago. Oh my god, like I
Speaker 3: truly am. It's so good. I can't believe a man
Speaker 3: wrote and directed it. I am shocked. Wow, I am
Speaker 3: shocked that a man made that.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you liked it. Wow.
Speaker 3: I liked it. But it was scary. But it's right
Speaker 3: up our app well. I mean, yeah, I'm shocked that
Speaker 3: you watched. Honest, you can watch the substance if you
Speaker 3: could watch Barbarians.
Speaker 2: I know that much.
Speaker 1: It in a movie where Jared came home and I
Speaker 1: go tell me what happens, like I go, tell me
Speaker 1: the whole plot, and he walked me through the whole
Speaker 1: movie like ruined style, and I so I know what happens,
Speaker 1: but I obviously can't watch it. But then I also
Speaker 1: since I last saw you went to the Ruined live
Speaker 1: show in LA that was the Substance, So I do
Speaker 1: know what happens in the Substance, and I have questions, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like this all right, but I don't know isick
Speaker 1: are we going to ruin it?
Speaker 3: If I ask, well, people can fast forward. You can
Speaker 3: fast forward thirty seconds at a time, or word fast
Speaker 3: forward fast forward. But I went to if you don't
Speaker 3: know Ruined.
Speaker 1: It's a podcast that like our friends, we've shouted it
Speaker 1: out on this podcast before. It's like Halle Keefer and
Speaker 1: Alison Liby. Halle does the research and like reads everything,
Speaker 1: watches the movie and recaps the entire thing for Alison,
Speaker 1: who's like the me and too scaredy cat to watch
Speaker 1: a horror movie.
Speaker 2: So I went to go to the live show of
Speaker 2: the Substance. It was really fun.
Speaker 1: They had like funny little slides and I guess, like
Speaker 1: what I don't understand? And I was with my friend,
Speaker 1: and I was also talking to this with Alison afterwards,
Speaker 1: like I don't get why Demean Moore takes it, like
Speaker 1: in like what is she.
Speaker 2: Getting out of it?
Speaker 1: Like if it was if if yeah, if Margaret Qually
Speaker 1: was young to me more and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she just like a younger version of herself was born
Speaker 1: to like carry on her legacy so she can keep
Speaker 1: being famous. I would almost understand that, But Sue's her
Speaker 1: own person, so I'm kind of not understanding what Deman
Speaker 1: was getting out of it because it seems like she
Speaker 1: spent seven days eating.
Speaker 3: And being miserable, so she wouldn't because her big thing
Speaker 3: is like she wants fame and attention and needs the
Speaker 3: validation of the people around her, so like she can't
Speaker 3: go into secret. The whole thing with death becomes her
Speaker 3: is then you have to disappear, Like she can't just
Speaker 3: pop out as a younger version of herself, right continue.
Speaker 3: But also I think it's a twisted thing and she
Speaker 3: didn't know exactly what was going to happen going into it.
Speaker 3: It's like, right, you're a per you know, and then
Speaker 3: you get a dick. She you know, she liked that,
Speaker 3: but also parts of her are deteriorating, so she hated
Speaker 3: her face normally like any part of deterioration.
Speaker 2: I think she didn't. She didn't want to be seen.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, made herself so gross for just the feeling
Speaker 3: of because she is they are one one or the other,
Speaker 3: like part of the substance, like the saying that makes
Speaker 3: you behave is like you need to treat both parts correct.
Speaker 3: It's seven days on, seven days off, but like you
Speaker 3: are one and one without the other. So that's why
Speaker 3: you can't do less or more time. But it's so
Speaker 3: addictive that the young one is always doing too right.
Speaker 2: I guess I was.
Speaker 1: I'm using and using and using the olds, and again
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't see it. It was explains me,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. But like I guess I wasn't
Speaker 1: understanding that they were like adjoined consciousness as much.
Speaker 3: I just thought they were like separate people. And I'm
Speaker 3: not like she getting out of it because when she
Speaker 3: wakes up, it's like she doesn't know what like they're
Speaker 3: gonna wake up to.
Speaker 1: Because like the nurse that goes, you're a perfect candidate,
Speaker 1: like why why are why are you spreading the substance?
Speaker 2: Why like, what's the point. Well, that's what's fucked.
Speaker 3: But because I was thinking about that, and what I
Speaker 3: kind of uh figured out is he doesn't say this
Speaker 3: is great. He said this changed my life and it
Speaker 3: did change his life. But it's a little evil. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then I saw there a theory that like he's
Speaker 3: in charge, but it's evil. I mean that scene in
Speaker 3: the coffee shop is groundbreaking, like it is so cool
Speaker 3: to see that's that, but like.
Speaker 1: The eyes right like she yeah, yeah, wow, maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. Once it was described to me, I was
Speaker 1: like this, I think I don't think I could see
Speaker 1: it because it seemed like so goryous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess yeah, answering the questions, I don't know
Speaker 3: if that was satisfying to you. Still not have seen it,
Speaker 3: but it like did it made sense watching it to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think it would make more sense watching it because
Speaker 1: like Allison was described it too, and she was also
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, I don't really know why she's
Speaker 1: doing it, and like why this guy is like is
Speaker 1: like out there telling people also to do it because
Speaker 1: he's not even his young guy becomes a male nurse.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even get to be like a celebrity. That's
Speaker 2: like running a.
Speaker 3: You know, like yes, but I feel so yeah, but
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that was fun. It was fun though.
Speaker 1: It was fun to go to that and see a
Speaker 1: little a little I mean, nursing can be his passion. Sure,
Speaker 1: I just didn't really get why he was spreading the
Speaker 1: word why are you proselytizing the old substance?
Speaker 3: It's fucked up. It's crazy, it is a fucked up thing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, saying the time, maybe he wasn't being as abused,
Speaker 3: but he probably knew it's really it's really cool. But
Speaker 3: Barbarian just pretty much shocked me. I was so scared.
Speaker 3: I deposit a few times and put on drag Race
Speaker 3: and I was just like walking. I was like hanging
Speaker 3: up dresses coming back being terrified. But it's like so
Speaker 3: many twists and turns. I would say, it kept not
Speaker 3: being what I thought it was being. It was really fun,
Speaker 3: but I just can't believe a man and made that.
Speaker 3: I am like beyond how Speaking of drag Race, I
Speaker 3: wrote a little bit more for drag Race this week.
Speaker 3: So and is this the same season or is this
Speaker 3: already another season. It's for the coming up season. It's
Speaker 3: for eighteen. Well I know, but it's the same that
Speaker 3: you were doing it towards the beginning. No, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 3: the one that they haven't even shot. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: one that they haven't even shot. No, the one for
Speaker 3: coming up for that's seventeen. I guess those girls stay working.
Speaker 3: Oh so I forgot who I was with. I've had
Speaker 3: a busy few weeks. But someone was shocked that Iced
Speaker 3: Tea is in Law and Order SVU. Like they had
Speaker 3: no idea. They're like, isn't he a rapper And we're
Speaker 3: like yeah, but he's now like the longest running actor
Speaker 3: on a drama. Like I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: And they're like what and I'm like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he plays the cop. His name's Odafin Tutula. And then
Speaker 3: the person went excuse me, and I actually, I guess
Speaker 3: didn't realize that it is a wild name that none
Speaker 3: of us have ever really questioned it is.
Speaker 2: She was like, you, I've never thought that was weird.
Speaker 3: I go no, we just accepted it, like I never
Speaker 3: it was Odafin Tutuola.
Speaker 2: And that was that, Like it is so funky.
Speaker 1: It's a fine They Yeah, they do talk about his
Speaker 1: last name at some point, like I think it's Nigerian
Speaker 1: or something, because someone else recognizes his last name and
Speaker 1: is like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at some point I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like that is wild for nobody to have,
Speaker 1: like ever seen a nice tea meme or like anything.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's out there. We know him from
Speaker 1: this show. Even if you were casual. You've seen two episodes.
Speaker 1: You know, iced teas in it.
Speaker 2: You know, some people are just like not watching procedurals
Speaker 2: at all. I don't know. It's like, but I know
Speaker 2: things I don't know I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was shocking, but then I was shocked that
Speaker 3: I had never questioned it. But I also so, I
Speaker 3: was in Houston this weekend doing shows. Thanks to everyone
Speaker 3: that came, but it was so wild. So the first
Speaker 3: show through crowd work or threw a joke and then
Speaker 3: it happened in real life at the show. But someone
Speaker 3: did have an orgy the night before, and I did
Speaker 3: see photos of.
Speaker 2: The orgy at photos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then later I said to someone gay, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I was like a ten person orgy,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, that's it, and then when I
Speaker 3: told a straight person, they were like ten people and
Speaker 3: it was like it happened within hours of each other.
Speaker 2: So it was pretty exciting.
Speaker 3: Then the early show Saturday, a giant man started screaming
Speaker 3: and fighting in the middle. Well, first he was moaning
Speaker 3: and then causing all these problems and he had to leave.
Speaker 2: Like it was wild. He was so loud.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I'll probably post that on the internet.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, but it was a commotion. And then
Speaker 3: the last show there was a guy who was forty
Speaker 3: years sober and something happened. The sun pointed to the
Speaker 3: wrong thing and he did sip alcohol and he was upset.
Speaker 1: Oh no, like a like a drink swap or something
Speaker 1: like something bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well because I saw him walk out with the
Speaker 3: margarita shaker, like you know, a souvenir style cup, and
Speaker 3: so then I when he came back without it, I go,
Speaker 3: where'd your little shaker go? And he goes, I've been
Speaker 3: forty years sober and they gave me a shaker, and
Speaker 3: it's like, well you should have known with the shaker.
Speaker 2: But it was fucked.
Speaker 3: I did feel kind of sad for him, So that's
Speaker 3: like my Houston, Rundown. I am curious how the Halloween
Speaker 3: went in your neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the costumes, that was the parades. Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 3: Well the parade was drama, but the why because of
Speaker 3: the pta, well not really like.
Speaker 1: This like one dad popped off because like, okay, you
Speaker 1: went to it last year, right, Yeah, So this year
Speaker 1: was eight in the eight thirty in the morning, which
Speaker 1: is better because it's too hot, Like it was like
Speaker 1: by one thirty it's boiling hot. So the kids like
Speaker 1: go around the track class by class, and they were
Speaker 1: going around twice and it was taking forever. Like it
Speaker 1: was just like each class going around twice, and the
Speaker 1: parents were all like, we're all.
Speaker 3: Joking to each other, going, Jesus Christ, this is going
Speaker 3: on twice. We're gonna be out of here. We're not
Speaker 3: never gonna be out of here.
Speaker 1: We're all like we're all like laughing about it, like
Speaker 1: but like talking shit quiet under our breaths and like
Speaker 1: not not in a real way. And then this one
Speaker 1: dad was just like, well, I tried to go talk
Speaker 1: to the principle and she said this wasn't the time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god. I just started
Speaker 1: to walk away. I was like, this guy's too heated
Speaker 1: for me. And then he called a bunch of the
Speaker 1: parents cowards and pussies and walked away.
Speaker 3: I wasn't, so he was mad that they walked twice too.
Speaker 3: He was mad that it was taking so long.
Speaker 1: He thought it was incompetence, and he went to go
Speaker 1: talk to the Principle, and the principles in the middle
Speaker 1: of m seeing the event, she's not going to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me stop down and talk to you about how
Speaker 1: to change it. So she didn't, and he was furious.
Speaker 1: You know, I know this man and I know how
Speaker 1: he yets, so I just like walked away. Then I
Speaker 1: heard him say cowards and pussies and I went, oh
Speaker 1: my god. So then he had to leave. It was
Speaker 1: like the most dramatic Halloween.
Speaker 2: Of all time.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what the hell because he swore at the Principle.
Speaker 1: You went up to the Principle, it was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be here for fucking hours.
Speaker 2: Like and like you can't. There's kids around, like it
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 1: So then that was like we're all like chatting ab
Speaker 1: everyone's texting me all day about that.
Speaker 3: Then the night was fun. Well, you know what I
Speaker 3: found out about. Not a school I know, but not
Speaker 3: a person I know. But I do now know of
Speaker 3: a person that is a teacher that got sent home
Speaker 3: because their costume was too slutty. Oh no, what costume
Speaker 3: we taught seventh grade and I guess it was like
Speaker 3: a sexy Cinderella or something like that. And she was
Speaker 3: like she was sent home. Wow, that's scott ating. Wow Okay,
Speaker 3: But then like the night was fun. We went to
Speaker 3: our friend's house that lives in the neighborhood and I
Speaker 3: had my like roadie of wine and the kids had
Speaker 3: a blast.
Speaker 1: Like it was kind of Oscar's first year of like
Speaker 1: he trick or treated last year, but this year he
Speaker 1: was like so into it and like really got it.
Speaker 1: And they stayed up late. They got a lot of candy.
Speaker 1: They loved it. It was great. There was like one fireman. No, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to this one house because it was
Speaker 1: like up a big hill and the kids were all
Speaker 1: going together and we were like just go. We were
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the driveway and when they came down,
Speaker 1: Rosie was like, there was a really scary thing up there,
Speaker 1: like a guy like that looked like he was on
Speaker 1: fire and I was like sorry, like and that was it.
Speaker 2: That was it in terms of trauma.
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh I bought something online and then someone
Speaker 3: that worked at the club in Houston did this. It's
Speaker 3: an idea to do with your Halloween candy. You chop
Speaker 3: it all up and then you bake Halloween cookies with
Speaker 3: the chocolate.
Speaker 2: You have in the candy.
Speaker 3: Oh and this bit like everything melts. You have like
Speaker 3: the TwixT caramel in this cookie, a Snickers and Monette.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so good. The Internet's magical.
Speaker 1: We just went through it last night and took out
Speaker 1: all the like sour too chewy like stuff that they
Speaker 1: don't want, so I'll be giving that away probably on
Speaker 1: the buy nothing group. And then and then there's so
Speaker 1: much like I don't I got to give some of
Speaker 1: it away. It's like it's so much fucking candy. It's
Speaker 1: gonna last theme for like two years. But they got
Speaker 1: They just went to ice skating today and got more candy.
Speaker 1: It's like November third, like we got a the candy
Speaker 1: train has to stop.
Speaker 2: Well now it's a sale, so it's kind of a thrill,
Speaker 2: right right. But we had a blast. It was fun.
Speaker 1: It was a fun little Halloween. I was gonna go
Speaker 1: see our friend, but I didn't want to drive. I
Speaker 1: stayed in our neighborhood and it was great. We never
Speaker 1: got in a car.
Speaker 2: It was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to did go to her old house. Did
Speaker 1: go to her old house where we spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in the pandemic. But because my new my
Speaker 1: other friend lives there now, so I did spend some
Speaker 1: time there on Halloween, which was wild.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I also want to give a shout out to Jason
Speaker 3: Kelsey defending his family.
Speaker 2: Have you seen this? No? No, no, tell me what happened.
Speaker 3: So they're in I guess they're in Pens at Penn State,
Speaker 3: and they're known as being dicks, but some students and hoodies.
Speaker 3: He had his phone out and was just like taunting
Speaker 3: Jason and then finally said, how does it feel that
Speaker 3: your brother is a F word? Because he's dating Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift and so Jason, while holding like a twelve pack
Speaker 3: of beer and then an open beer as well on
Speaker 3: top of it, just went over, slammed his phone on
Speaker 3: the ground, picked it up, and walked off. And it
Speaker 3: was cool and I watched it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, now I'm like I saw that really quickly,
Speaker 1: like scroll by me on Instagram and was like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Leasa will fill me in, but like, what are
Speaker 1: people but to fuck with someone that's that physically strong
Speaker 1: is also just so weird you think you're.
Speaker 3: Just like I don't know. Oh my god, I keep
Speaker 3: thinking about Barbarian and just so long.
Speaker 2: Was so good.
Speaker 3: It was all so good and smart and amazing and
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: And our friend kurb Brown.
Speaker 3: Oler, isn't it. Yes, Oh my god, that was so exciting.
Speaker 3: I should message him. That was like a thrill. He's
Speaker 3: so funny. Oh my god, that was so cool that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I forgot spooky, spooky. Smart men are so bad. I
Speaker 3: just like subtle, obvious. They just handled the difference between
Speaker 3: men and women so smart.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 3: Now that I know the full peak of horror, I
Speaker 3: can maybe watch it again more relaxed, but maybe it's
Speaker 3: like it follows and I can never watch it again.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Who's to say, but all right, well guys, oh oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it started right, yeah, And I mean, okay, people are
Speaker 3: so thoughtful on the road and everywhere we go, and
Speaker 3: we do have to shout out that we in Portland
Speaker 3: each got a box of treasures that was like myself
Speaker 3: personalized and cool, and all the magnets are on my fridge.
Speaker 2: They're there. So I just wanted to.
Speaker 1: Say, every magnet for my little movie, Yeah, all the
Speaker 1: film personal This person made us a gift box of
Speaker 1: like every movie we've mentioned on the podcast. Like I
Speaker 1: have a magnet of the movie Stella that I just
Speaker 1: talked about with Bette Midler that's like a huge part
Speaker 1: of my life with my sister her that it's not
Speaker 1: a popular movie, and now I have a magnet of it,
Speaker 1: The Chipmunk Adventure, Fucking Clifford, the movie where where Martin
Speaker 1: Short is like a creepy little kid, Like so many
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. This person just made us a
Speaker 1: box of the most amazing stuff, pins, stickers, magnets. It's
Speaker 1: so fucking great. I'm obsessed. She'd be seen and understood.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh my god, you're really listening, guys.
Speaker 1: She kept going, it's a sickness. It's a sickness. I
Speaker 1: make these I make these gifts. It's a sick I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's the best say she should if she does this,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you. Yeah, but I guess she would
Speaker 1: have to know you.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it was so top tier, incredible
Speaker 3: and specific.
Speaker 2: It would be an amazing business to be like here
Speaker 2: from how do you specific?
Speaker 1: And then you source it like yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like just because I don't have the time to Like.
Speaker 3: She also but she also has the skill of like
Speaker 3: listening and connecting and doing not everyone's brains work.
Speaker 2: Like that too.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, you might someone someone's favorite stuff and they
Speaker 3: might not know, right, but.
Speaker 2: Huge shout out, huge shout out. And I met a.
Speaker 3: Really cutie couple in Houston, Sabrina Kale, what's up?
Speaker 2: A lot of people listen. It's like, who do I choose?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was so fun to see all of you guys
Speaker 1: on our dates and keep and go to Lisa's go
Speaker 1: to That's Messed Up live dot com and scroll down
Speaker 1: to Lisa's website and that takes you to her links
Speaker 1: of all the shows she's doing for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year and probably into the fall. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can also on that same website you can see
Speaker 1: our promo codes.
Speaker 2: You can buy merch.
Speaker 1: Oh I should announce we've got a Christmas ornament in
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Speaker 1: So get over there and get your little hope you
Speaker 1: have a messed up holiday. Hope your holidays are messed up.
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Speaker 1: your Christmas tree wherever. All right, let's get started. We've
Speaker 1: got a good one for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, we are doing tunnel Blind, season twenty five, Episode one. Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 3: So we are in studios. That's exciting. Yeah, you have
Speaker 3: a full fat can of coke. I have a diet coke.
Speaker 2: Cheers, our classic, our classic Yin and Yang.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of our biggest fights, I would say. Yes,
Speaker 3: you guys have heard her many times bring up that.
Speaker 3: Basically the worst thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1: To her was ask I didn't know if you want
Speaker 1: to diet or regular, And truly just the biggest brain
Speaker 1: part of my life because.
Speaker 3: I've never seen her drink a regular cocus. That was
Speaker 3: like so much of my personality. But we're in the studio,
Speaker 3: so that's really exciting. And I was peing and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't even know what episode, Like, I
Speaker 3: know it's tunnel Blind, but it could be anything.
Speaker 2: I was like, is it the air?
Speaker 3: Like I was just like, I truly was sitting there,
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of episodes swirling around our heads, right,
Speaker 3: And then once I read season twenty five, episode one,
Speaker 3: I knew exactly where I was. Yeah, baby, it's the
Speaker 3: season premiere, milestone, quarter life crisis. Yeah, I think, a
Speaker 3: great time to be alive twenty five. Yeah, I had
Speaker 3: a great time in twenty five. I don't know what
Speaker 3: was going on, but I was loving it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So it's Benson through the years. It's a
Speaker 3: really kind of an ode to Benson, every hairdoo, every
Speaker 3: nice little outfit and inspiring voiceover that I'll be honest,
Speaker 3: I didn't really pay attention to you. I mean, she's
Speaker 3: just saying, there's these moments with the victims that make
Speaker 3: you realize why you do it. It's very yeah, brave, deaf.
Speaker 3: And then there's one in the professional hat outfit. And
Speaker 3: finally it's her in the final present moment and she's
Speaker 3: holding Chrisian Rollins's baby. It's a baptism. Ah, she's a godmother.
Speaker 3: The godfather's obviously trying to fuck her, and that is
Speaker 3: a you know, a tale as old as time, and
Speaker 3: the little baby is cute and Benson is sweetie.
Speaker 2: And we cut to.
Speaker 3: A store and it's a different cute family and they're
Speaker 3: getting along. They're walking past TV's kids suitcases. They're making jokes.
Speaker 3: The dad's on the car, the mom's holding her baby
Speaker 3: girl and by baby girl, I do mean a teen.
Speaker 2: She's a teen but she is I don't know. She's
Speaker 2: texting on her pink phone.
Speaker 3: She needs to get some paint, and we hear the
Speaker 3: dad go, you saw this right. Her and the dad
Speaker 3: go to the paints right, remember he didn't use it
Speaker 3: later and it's like it drives me insane.
Speaker 2: Oh he's a fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 3: Not really, but yeah, like okay, so anyways, it's just
Speaker 3: like classic. But so she goes, great, i'll meet you
Speaker 3: at the register. The mom goes off, the daughter and
Speaker 3: the dad go to the paints. Mom says, divide and conquer.
Speaker 3: So now we're back and the godfather is still trying
Speaker 3: to fuck Benson and she's.
Speaker 2: Like no, and.
Speaker 3: He won't leave her alone and he also it's not
Speaker 3: even fuck like he wants to marry her. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: she goes, you might as well put your heart in
Speaker 3: a wood chipper.
Speaker 2: It's a while Benson moment.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I don't really think of Benson as
Speaker 1: the kind of person that like choose people up and
Speaker 1: spits them out. I just feel like she can't focus
Speaker 1: on love because she's been in love with one person
Speaker 1: for a long time. Maybe, But also, yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: like when she was with Dean Winters. Why am I
Speaker 1: blanking on his fucking name on the show? You know,
Speaker 1: Mayhem Cassidy. When she was with Cassidy, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: she fucking took his how hard, un stopped on it.
Speaker 1: He forehead kissed her at the end. You know, it
Speaker 1: was like they broke up. He broke up.
Speaker 3: He betrayed her with with I A b and her
Speaker 3: son and telling her what are you kidding?
Speaker 2: He's a monster.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm just saying, like, but I love
Speaker 3: him and he is the hottest, and I think he's
Speaker 3: the one for her.
Speaker 1: I just like, don't I don't get why she is saying,
Speaker 1: uh that she's this like man eater.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just like it was like it bothered me. I
Speaker 1: was like, give yourself a little fucking credit. You've just
Speaker 1: you're been busy saving fucking lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so Crasy goes over and goes, oh, you're
Speaker 3: talking to my cousin.
Speaker 2: I love it, and she goes, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fuck your cousin. Oh so, Chrissy,
Speaker 2: are you a dumb look at this? This guy's just
Speaker 2: not Benson's type. Yeah, she needs like.
Speaker 3: A chill, rich dude who's hot, Like, are we forgetting
Speaker 3: she's hot? Finn's there, Finn and Benson are having red wine.
Speaker 3: Chrisy's having a beer and Fann and this is so cute.
Speaker 3: He begs to hold the baby. He's in a gray
Speaker 3: plaid suit and I love him holding this baby, and
Speaker 3: Benson's like, okay, uncle. Finn and Chrisy and Rollins go
Speaker 3: off to have a private moment and they're having parent chats.
Speaker 3: They smile, they're kissing. The cousin still wants to talk
Speaker 3: to Benson. I mean I can't. He's like, what's that
Speaker 3: compass necklace? And the letters are all wrong? And then
Speaker 3: I am embarrassed for her to own this necklace. But
Speaker 3: Jay is for joy, See is for compassion, and Ella's
Speaker 3: for love and I want to know the fourth letter
Speaker 3: and they don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's pretty fucked up. I think stayble
Speaker 2: dave it to her. He did.
Speaker 3: It's just like so bad, and obviously I want to
Speaker 3: know the fourth letter.
Speaker 1: It's literally the jewelry version of like live laugh Love
Speaker 1: written on driftwood in your Home, Joy Come Back.
Speaker 3: But the thing is Benson wants Benson loves this. This
Speaker 3: is a thing. Yeah, like from Marishka. My sad thing
Speaker 3: is that her first date with her husband was at church. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's always really hard for me. And then it's the
Speaker 3: you know she is a live laugh love girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's one of those live laugh love girl.
Speaker 2: She's a copy. Oh she's shopping it like you know,
Speaker 2: and then like she's just I don't.
Speaker 1: But then she knows La Perla, she knows like she's
Speaker 1: always like those Proda boots, Like doesn't she say you
Speaker 1: owe me another pair of Prada boots after the guy
Speaker 1: licks us to like lick her boots in that amazing scene.
Speaker 1: So Benson buys designer when she I think of Benson
Speaker 1: is probably having a very curated, small wardrobe where everything's
Speaker 1: like pretty expensive but it doesn't have a lot and yeah,
Speaker 1: like a capsule wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but why do you think and then now
Speaker 3: go in to the fearless or is that Marishka I
Speaker 3: think you like, I don't think you have to have
Speaker 3: something to fall on because like because she doesn't have church,
Speaker 3: and like this is like Marishka's church, this like believe
Speaker 3: in yourself, compassion joy like, like because if she stopped
Speaker 3: to think about really what her life is like and
Speaker 3: every day she would not.
Speaker 2: Be she would sink. You know, I didn't know, but
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess she needs.
Speaker 1: Just what she sees day in and day out. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying her life is pathetic or anything. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying what she sees day in and day out, what
Speaker 1: she's gone through, like what she's personally been through, like
Speaker 1: held hostage multiple times, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She's wistful, she's looking for love.
Speaker 3: She's watching Christie and Rollins make out at the register
Speaker 3: and mom and dad meet up. Maddie is not there,
Speaker 3: that is the daughter and the Dad's like I thought
Speaker 3: she went with you.
Speaker 2: No, we saw it. We saw it. You're not gaslighting
Speaker 2: your way out of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, we can rewind the you walked off with your
Speaker 3: fucking daughter to the paints. So he's on the phone casual.
Speaker 3: The mom is flipping out. She walks past the paints.
Speaker 3: There's a green residue broken glass on the floor. We
Speaker 3: cut to Noah and Benson driving from the baby shower
Speaker 3: and they.
Speaker 2: Love the coreasy baby.
Speaker 3: It's right out of the tunnel, and Noah keeps yammering
Speaker 3: on and I feel like you might relate to this life,
Speaker 3: but it's just like, shut the fuck up. They never stop.
Speaker 3: They never stop talking. They never stop talking. I seeyammer
Speaker 3: city and then sometimes I just have to go, We're
Speaker 3: just gonna have to have a quiet moment in the car.
Speaker 5: We have to.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be quiet for the next minute. And they
Speaker 1: don't listen to that either. It's a lot of chatting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to get a partition.
Speaker 2: Like a limo driver.
Speaker 3: He just just keeps talking. At the red light. Though
Speaker 3: she's staring at a.
Speaker 2: Girl in a van.
Speaker 3: She feels worried for her. She looks out of it.
Speaker 3: This girl she has a tailor swift beaded bracelet. We
Speaker 3: see from the distance or I just know this, okay.
Speaker 3: So she watches as a man drives in a big,
Speaker 3: colorful van, decorated people honking. Noah's asking for pizza. So
Speaker 3: we're back at the parents. They're fighting outside looking for
Speaker 3: the daughter. The dad's like, oh, maybe she just like
Speaker 3: left and took the quick ride and the mom's.
Speaker 2: Like, why would that do that? Same? Why would she
Speaker 2: do this? Hop it an uber? Bye? What is? Oh
Speaker 2: you knew what a quick ride was? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: they call uber on this show.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever caught on to that, And
Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like uber, But like that would be so insane.
Speaker 1: You're shopping with your parents and you just hop in
Speaker 1: an uber and say nothing. That would be the wildest move.
Speaker 1: Oh God.
Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, I'll call her. She's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I have you know the g and the GPS is
Speaker 3: turned off. The cops are on the way, and the
Speaker 3: dad's like you called the cops and it's like, will
Speaker 3: you just shut up?
Speaker 1: All the GPS is turned off? Like that's an immediate
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I mean? This dad? I hate him? So the yellow
Speaker 2: tape is up.
Speaker 3: We have Octavia of Velesco and we're talking to workers
Speaker 3: Benson and Finner on the scene. Maddie Flynn, fifteen. She's
Speaker 3: been gone an hour. They did find a gun in
Speaker 3: the bathroom, not good, could be connected or a loose
Speaker 3: other gun. The parents were fighting, so they're separated. The
Speaker 3: mom is pleading with Benson, like please find my daughter,
Speaker 3: and the dad is de lulu. She's like, he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I have a Metro card. Maybe she's just
Speaker 3: like left and got on the train. Still this thing,
Speaker 3: and I just I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wandered away from the store, got on the
Speaker 2: train like.
Speaker 3: You guys were like if she was a one, But
Speaker 3: you guys are like a family that was hanging out,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I don't know why she would.
Speaker 2: Just peace out.
Speaker 3: I feel like I didn't remember that they were separated.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, oh like up top?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh the parents were Oh I'm sorry, I know,
Speaker 2: I know there was a yay.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they were just like separated the store. I
Speaker 3: think they're gonna get divorced. Yes, there's absolutely Oh were
Speaker 3: they just on like let's do it for the kids
Speaker 3: shopping trip? Like my mind was like totally racing. Sorry
Speaker 3: I misunderstand. So the mom shows the photo to Benson
Speaker 3: and it hits Benson, like that is the girl she
Speaker 3: saw in the van earlier. This is awful And in
Speaker 3: my head, I'm like, after all these years, you're not
Speaker 3: gonna follow your gut.
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 3: We all like slip, we all do like the thing
Speaker 3: we don't do. We don't listen to our gut. But
Speaker 3: like it's so crazy, like you're right all the time,
Speaker 3: ninety percent solve rate, Like you knew something was up
Speaker 3: and if you, Noah would shut his fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: She don't have to sell.
Speaker 3: And she could have done a nice three point turn
Speaker 3: and fucking you know, I just I just don't know
Speaker 3: why we have to keep playing this game at season
Speaker 3: twenty five of like and I'm not gonna trust myself
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to go for it because.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be Yeah, I didn't want the
Speaker 1: job to like own my life, but girl, it does
Speaker 1: you need to follow your instincts. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: but she was with her kid, but she could have
Speaker 1: called it is guy, this guy kidnapped her, lets her
Speaker 1: sit in the front of the car when it's a van.
Speaker 1: Well obviously, but we know scale what's the drugs? It
Speaker 1: could be anything we know about Scapolopin. That's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's Benson's mission now to find this girl. She feels guilty.
Speaker 1: Credits and we're back. So we're entering the precinct and
Speaker 1: fucking McGrath again. This mother, you know, Terry serproco, blonde
Speaker 1: bulldog of a man. Yeah, Benson even I've never seen
Speaker 1: someone look feel more like a bulldog because he's like
Speaker 1: a cute man. It's not like showls orthing, but like
Speaker 1: he he's a bulldog. And so he comes in and
Speaker 1: right away, like she has to convince him that she
Speaker 1: saw her. You know, She's like, I saw her, Ah,
Speaker 1: did you really? Finn's tailing behind. She only saw the driver,
Speaker 1: white baseball cap thirties. She should have turned around, like
Speaker 1: she was even thinking, why would a young girl be
Speaker 1: sitting in the front of a delivery van? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the magress like, don't tell the parents, don't tell the press,
Speaker 1: and Finn gives him a side eye, and Finn's trying
Speaker 1: to console Benson, who's like, fuck, I should have known,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, you should have maybe if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for Noah. I mean, obviously, I'm I'm mad at Noah.
Speaker 1: And the dad already for this episode, and we haven't
Speaker 1: met the full criminals yet, and I'm and I hate
Speaker 1: the Godfather.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, everybody in this episode canuck scratch.
Speaker 3: So they find her cell phone and the parents confirm, like,
Speaker 3: you know, that's her phone. So it's on the Brooklyn
Speaker 3: side of the battery tunnel is where we find it.
Speaker 3: Missus Flynn's so so sad. Kevin Kane, I don't know
Speaker 3: his character's name. He's the cop who won a lawsuit
Speaker 3: and now is rich but still a come no right Bruno,
Speaker 3: we don't talk about. Yeah, that's so good to be
Speaker 3: Bruno at this time in our in culture. She says
Speaker 3: that her daughter is young for her age and so yeah,
Speaker 3: naive and she gave that vibe you know what she's
Speaker 3: buying pains for. So then they think they have I
Speaker 3: don't know that you can buy paints at any age.
Speaker 3: So Benson is saying that there might have been a witness.
Speaker 3: She's obviously the witness, but she can't fucking let that happen.
Speaker 3: And she's like, you know, Maddie didn't appear scared, so
Speaker 3: you know, Calm, is it a family, is it a friend?
Speaker 3: Who would she have run away with and the mom's like, no,
Speaker 3: we just moved here from San Francisco to New York
Speaker 3: City last year because of the crime. They came to
Speaker 3: New York City from less crime from San Francisco. Now,
Speaker 3: is this a troll from the writer?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 1: San Francisco does have like a like a bit of
Speaker 1: a crazy crime problem, like not crime, but like also
Speaker 1: like an unhoused problem and everything, And like the way
Speaker 1: San Francisco is, it's just like, you know, I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, in La like a lot of unhouse
Speaker 1: people are just shoved to a certain neighborhood, a certain area,
Speaker 1: you know that they call skid row. And in San
Speaker 1: Francisco it's like you can just turn out of like
Speaker 1: a very expensive restaurant and see somebody like shitting on
Speaker 1: the street right in front of you, Like it's all
Speaker 1: very right there. So I think you live in New York.
Speaker 1: People say New York's gotten like more crime since the pandemic.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that when I go back, but like
Speaker 1: I always feel safe. I've always felt safe in New York,
Speaker 1: so I would say this, I feel safe in New York.
Speaker 1: It's not that, but it's just this is funny to me.
Speaker 1: This is a wild thing to do because San Francisco,
Speaker 1: I would say, has worse.
Speaker 2: Crime than New York. It does.
Speaker 3: But still if your focus is less crime, yeah, wouldn't
Speaker 3: you go to Palo Alto if you're living in Francisco. No,
Speaker 3: you don't want to be with those tech free You
Speaker 3: don't want to be with tech free city where you
Speaker 3: can do your work. But you're living in the burbs.
Speaker 3: I think the Chicago suburbs is where these people belong. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is where they belong. Yeah a suburban, no, or
Speaker 3: like a sub I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just it's like I want to find an analogy,
Speaker 3: and it's escaping me.
Speaker 2: Really, they really moved out. They would have lived in
Speaker 2: Westchester or something.
Speaker 3: They would live proxicity, like me moving from Iowa to
Speaker 3: Nebraska because I just wanted more space.
Speaker 2: And it's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: They're like the same, Like, yeah, it just doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense to me. But it does kind of feel like
Speaker 3: a conservative things. People are always shitting on San Francisco
Speaker 3: because they like they want to shit on how the
Speaker 3: cities of California, the liberal state, are like falling apart.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but leave us out of it.
Speaker 3: Like, if you hate us, I have to get them
Speaker 3: to New York so they can interact with Benson. Like
Speaker 3: if you hate us and you hate the way we
Speaker 3: live and it's terrible living here, Like why are you
Speaker 3: mad about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean? Like cool, you want?
Speaker 2: Our lives are bad?
Speaker 3: Leave us us alone, Leave us alone. But let's be honest.
Speaker 3: Cities are the way that like small communities can even survive.
Speaker 2: Like that's where the money comes from, is the cities. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was literally reading a thing about the huge percentage
Speaker 1: of people that live with at least some part of
Speaker 1: government assistance, and it's almost it's a lot of people
Speaker 1: in rural areas where their cities pay for those rural areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Whatever, it's just a funny thing, and I'm curious this
Speaker 3: would make sense. Oh, we moved to New York for
Speaker 3: because it's great. I don't know, I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: just funny to me. Yeah, so she could go to
Speaker 3: painting school. It's just like, I love New York and
Speaker 3: I don't like I get it, but this is just
Speaker 3: silly to me.
Speaker 2: They couldn't.
Speaker 3: We have to get off of it. They couldn't just
Speaker 3: say yeah, that's the There's more. There's more notes about
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on here with the San
Speaker 3: frand to New York move.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: Okay, the mom is a great actress. She's upset. She's screaming,
Speaker 3: you know what the hell are you even doing? All
Speaker 3: you did was find her phone, get to work, you losers, and.
Speaker 2: You know it. Bensonce upset for sure.
Speaker 3: She turned STI look at her husband, who's in the
Speaker 3: vending machine bricks and blind's room. And also there's a
Speaker 3: lost and found sign. So it's vending machines and lost
Speaker 3: and found and I've never seen this room before. So
Speaker 3: Finn and Alasko are with him. Could it be daughter's friends? No,
Speaker 3: they're all good kids. We don't really know anyone here.
Speaker 3: He sits on a couch and is like, fuck, I
Speaker 3: think that my wife thinks it's my fault, and maybe
Speaker 3: it is. I don't know, Oh God, maybe you should
Speaker 3: be thinking, is my daughter okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because he stopped to like watch the game on TV
Speaker 2: or something in the store, I don't know.
Speaker 3: All I remember is the two of them walking to
Speaker 3: the paints like that my eyes so like yeah, but
Speaker 3: why are you thinking? Of course, the wife's pissed at you,
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? So they're brainstorming dry
Speaker 3: erase board, work, chill room. There's no evidence of grooming
Speaker 3: older boyfriend. She seems really innocent. Finn Is like to Benson,
Speaker 3: you need to take a break, and she goes, if
Speaker 3: you say that again, we're gonna have a problem.
Speaker 2: And I love feisty.
Speaker 3: Fucking but he stares at her like a fish with
Speaker 3: his mouth open.
Speaker 2: But he's not scared of her, but he's like damn.
Speaker 3: So he says, you've had a long day because he
Speaker 3: is caring, you know, And she goes like I need
Speaker 3: to let you know. I let him take her, and
Speaker 3: Finn is like what you saw her face for a
Speaker 3: few seconds like it's okay, And then so Vealesco's like
Speaker 3: uh oh, and Kevin's kine start questioning her like listen,
Speaker 3: like are you sure.
Speaker 2: It was the energy drink van?
Speaker 3: Like why would you kidnap someone and be in such
Speaker 3: an attention grabbing van to abduct children?
Speaker 2: Like isn't that strange?
Speaker 3: And she has to be like I'm not imagining it,
Speaker 3: like I'm not like why are you guys all questioning me, like,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Get this either.
Speaker 1: Twenty five years on the first episode, they're like, don't
Speaker 1: you kind of have hallucinations all the time.
Speaker 2: Isn't this like a thing that you do? Benson like,
Speaker 2: I just don't get it. It's crazy. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't understand. So she's fucking pissed. None of them
Speaker 3: believe her. And I want to kick Velesco's teeth And
Speaker 3: how old are you twenty seven twenty telling Benson what
Speaker 3: to do if your goddamn mine is possible.
Speaker 2: It's like Danny Zuko thing that he does.
Speaker 3: I really don't like him unless he wants to be
Speaker 3: in a guest on the podcast and is su sure
Speaker 3: but not. His phone vibrates and guess what? They found
Speaker 3: a bright green energy drink van in Pennsylvania and it's abandoned.
Speaker 3: H oh.
Speaker 2: Guess who was right?
Speaker 3: Was a reported stolen yesterday stolen car? The camera is
Speaker 3: broken on the bridge a few weeks ago, so that sucks,
Speaker 3: and the boys are talking and Benson's getting into it,
Speaker 3: like with the flashlight, and she digs in and she
Speaker 3: finds the Taylor Swifts bracelet and it says Maddie on it.
Speaker 3: She left it behind and she goes smart girl and
Speaker 3: we're gonna fucking find her.
Speaker 2: So Finn is like, wow, you were right, Yeah, no shit,
Speaker 2: and so then because like we're both swifties, we'll find you.
Speaker 3: I mean, it does make me so happy. And if
Speaker 3: you're wondering where we are in Taylor history. As I
Speaker 3: record this, she announced the book, The Eras Tour Book,
Speaker 3: and they were at the Yankees game. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: liked that blackout. The guy likes their out. It's an
Speaker 3: outerwear I really like.
Speaker 1: I saw them at dinner or something where she was
Speaker 1: wearing like a cool gold outfit.
Speaker 3: I liked the shoes in that it was like a
Speaker 3: it's a Versace mule.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember the shoes too now yep, I
Speaker 1: like those good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, So and we're back to a missing teen and
Speaker 3: Mattie was there.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny when I do telp people.
Speaker 3: So when I met I was talking about this on
Speaker 3: an intro a while ago. But when I talked about
Speaker 3: meeting the podcaster that I like, and I explained the
Speaker 3: podcast and we're like, and so is it fun?
Speaker 2: Is it comet?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, listen, it's a really complicated layer and
Speaker 3: it's very last but I think we're doing.
Speaker 2: We get a couple of laughs.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, but like we respect everything.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we are back up the teens. But the
Speaker 3: crossing state lines, that's scary. So back in the office,
Speaker 3: Benson's chatting with Creasy and Velasko and Finn full House
Speaker 3: hair and DNA and the van is Maddie's so but
Speaker 3: because it's a work truck, there's too many prints to
Speaker 3: know what's going on. And they're still looking into the
Speaker 3: Prince on the gun in the men's room, so there's
Speaker 3: nothing but the visual idea of Benson. There's no DNA.
Speaker 3: We're looking at for traffic cams, and Kevin Kane has
Speaker 3: entered the chat.
Speaker 2: Out of the tunnel.
Speaker 3: There's a few grainy shots of the driver and Benson's
Speaker 3: staring and she's like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 3: guy I saw. I'll call it in the parents, show
Speaker 3: them like maybe they know him. So in two employees
Speaker 3: of the energy drink delivery company said no to DNA tests,
Speaker 3: but everyone else is cleared, so obviously we're going to
Speaker 3: go talk to the DNA deniers. Benson's looking at photos
Speaker 3: of her and she's like very very pained by all this.
Speaker 3: Criesy tells her to stop beating herself up, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's easier said than done. Will everyone stop treating me
Speaker 3: like I am fourteen years old? Like I am your boss?
Speaker 3: But Mom is on the gray couch with Benson and
Speaker 3: sadly she's like, yes, that's her bracelet. Her best friend
Speaker 3: gave it to her when we moved from San Francisco,
Speaker 3: and she's like, oh my god, where'd you find it?
Speaker 3: Obviously she's sad to hear the news, but it's strong leads.
Speaker 3: We're getting routes, we're getting drivers, everything, like, you know,
Speaker 3: we can get this going, and the mom asks if
Speaker 3: she's still alive in Benson's like, I have no reason
Speaker 3: to believe she's not.
Speaker 2: She's really smart. She left the bracelet. We're gonna get her.
Speaker 3: So we cut to the dad with Avelasko and Finn
Speaker 3: and they're looking at the van and he's getting like
Speaker 3: hostile and annoyed, like fuck him. But so then the
Speaker 3: detectors are like, what about soccer?
Speaker 2: A coach?
Speaker 3: A pervy And then the dad goes, wait, you think
Speaker 3: it's sexual and it's like that didn't even cross his mind.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this guy is quite dumb. But like,
Speaker 3: I hope it's not. You would hope it's not.
Speaker 1: What do you think a guy wants a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old blonde girl for? What do you think somebody took
Speaker 1: her for? If it's a new baby, maybe it's black market.
Speaker 1: What do you think they want your daughter for her painting?
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep her and let her do acrylic paints
Speaker 1: in a little basement, it is.
Speaker 2: But you think it's sexual?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, aren't you worried about your daughter? He's still
Speaker 3: just like, my wife's mad at me. She's such a bitch.
Speaker 2: Like that's what he's thinking. That's what he's thinking, King
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we learn they go to the store every
Speaker 3: week and like the person who did this really new
Speaker 3: the store and cameras and like not being targeted. And
Speaker 3: then the dad is like, it's like there is one
Speaker 3: old man that watches soccer practice, so maybe it's him.
Speaker 3: So we go to this creeps house Gordon Franks and
Speaker 3: I'm not the first complaint he's ever had about being
Speaker 3: a PERV soccer fan.
Speaker 2: He opens the door and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't know why the cops are there, and
Speaker 3: it's like, but you know, you're a pervert, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, why are you so shocked? And
Speaker 3: he's a hoarder and they enter, they're like, are you
Speaker 3: a pedophile?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I just like sports and he has
Speaker 2: a cat. I support women in sports, women's athletics. It's
Speaker 2: like totally fine.
Speaker 3: But it's like if even if you love women's sports,
Speaker 3: like they're not good. These are children. Unless you're going
Speaker 3: to like a high level championship. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: that's rude. Travel travel teams unless you've given but like
Speaker 3: unless you're like invested in a child on the field,
Speaker 3: I just don't trust.
Speaker 2: I think it should be unallowed.
Speaker 3: It should not be I don't know, like if I
Speaker 3: was living like I don't know. I like the idea
Speaker 3: of going to a high school football game. We live
Speaker 3: near a high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah I want to go to the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that's a huge event and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are there. Not as many people go to
Speaker 1: like watch a girl soccer game. And you can't be
Speaker 1: at a girl swim me yeah alone. No, it has
Speaker 1: to be like sex parties. You need to have a
Speaker 1: plus most park, you have to be brought by a woman.
Speaker 1: Most playgrounds are like, you have to be with a
Speaker 1: kid to be here. There's signs there are yeah, like
Speaker 1: there'll be rules. I've seen it in New York and
Speaker 1: I've seen in LA. You have to be accompanied by
Speaker 1: a child.
Speaker 3: So either who's watching pedophiles are not going to be beholden,
Speaker 3: I know, but they could stand across. I guess it
Speaker 3: would give somebody the right to go, hey, the rules
Speaker 3: of the park where you got to be here with
Speaker 3: the kids?
Speaker 1: Scram or I'm gonna call the cops. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a scuffle? Would you do that? If somebody was looking
Speaker 1: really fucking creepy? I probably would like somebody sitting on
Speaker 1: their phone, I'm probably I'd be honest. I'm not matching
Speaker 1: up kids with parents when I'm at the playground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, if the someone not paying attention,
Speaker 3: that's a parent. Yeah, if they're looking get the hell
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 2: In pervert? Yeah all right, So this guy's a cat? No,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 3: Kevin Kane goes to the backhouse work, you know, the hut,
Speaker 3: and inside is like a ton of pictures of Maddie everywhere,
Speaker 3: and so they're taking him in and he's like, I
Speaker 3: don't even know her, and they're like there's fifty photos
Speaker 3: of her on the wall, like what how are you
Speaker 3: still lying? And he goes, she's really good at soccer,
Speaker 3: she's my own mia Ham. Finn says, get him out
Speaker 3: of here and let the dogs back here. He's in
Speaker 3: cement room bars Velasco and Finn are in there while
Speaker 3: Caresy and Benson watches Kevin Kane fills them in. The
Speaker 3: dogs didn't pick up any trace of Maddie though, so
Speaker 3: he's a perverb. But it's a big leap from like
Speaker 3: pictures to kidnapping. There's no picks online. Sarah's going to
Speaker 3: go through his computer just in case, and Caresy is like,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a stretch to get him even
Speaker 3: if the picks are like like they're you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, it's barely street photography, But like you must
Speaker 3: be able to contextually put someone in jail for at
Speaker 3: least six months for having photos of an underage person
Speaker 3: they don't know fifth secretly if.
Speaker 1: They're clothed, I don't know, Like if it's not in
Speaker 1: a sexual scenario, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: What are the surveyll like illegal surveillance or like that's
Speaker 1: gonna be where I testify in Congress. Everyone has their mission.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that'll be my.
Speaker 2: Mission protect the young soccer players of America.
Speaker 3: Finn says, yeah, get them out of here, YadA YadA. Okay,
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're not good photos is what CARIESI is saying.
Speaker 3: So there's tons of noise. They run into the hallway
Speaker 3: a giant man. Is this not the biggest man you've
Speaker 3: ever seen in your life? Like he is so tall
Speaker 3: he is he's like gold, He's like that wrestling gold.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's really a presence and crazy decision making
Speaker 3: skills for him to not have called ahead, maybe been like,
Speaker 3: hey have something in my car, Like the method is wild.
Speaker 3: He walks into the precinct and he's also wearing shorts,
Speaker 3: so that's strange, and a kangle newsboy style hat and
Speaker 3: a goatee. And so with a go tee, that's a criminal.
Speaker 3: You know, no one's gonna assume you're not. And he's
Speaker 3: holding a giant garbage bag that has weight to it
Speaker 3: is heavy. All the unis surround him guns out. Benson
Speaker 3: introduces herself like what's going on? He goes I found her,
Speaker 3: the missing girl. He puts her on the floor, steps back.
Speaker 3: The unis grab and pull them back. They rip the
Speaker 3: bag open. It's a sex doll. So it's a sex
Speaker 3: doll of Maddie, though it is a sex doll of
Speaker 3: the fifteen year old who is missing. Oh no, they asked,
Speaker 3: where did you get this? He stares at Benson intensely
Speaker 3: while not answering.
Speaker 1: So, and like, in case you're one of those people
Speaker 1: that doesn't watch, you, just listen to us. It's not
Speaker 1: like Batchelor party sex doll. It's like Lars and the
Speaker 1: real Girl sex doll.
Speaker 3: Right, it's like a full those lifelike dolls that you
Speaker 3: get to be like your wife, your companion. These people
Speaker 3: that have them, Yeah yeah, these are thousands of adults. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure. Well so then this is okay. So now
Speaker 3: we open back up and we're at a butcher shop
Speaker 3: kitchen situation with an arm and there's blood in the
Speaker 3: meat slicer, and there's a person in scrubs and a
Speaker 3: hairnet and blood and lugging body parts. There's a meat cleaver,
Speaker 3: and then we hear a cut. We're on a movie set.
Speaker 3: Oh god. So yeah, so it's a busy, busy set
Speaker 3: and it's about a psycho killer lunch lady. It's cafeteria
Speaker 3: carnage and she kills kids and feeds the kids. And
Speaker 3: obviously there's a Simpsons a Treehouse of Horror about this,
Speaker 3: and okay, you didn't react to Wait.
Speaker 2: Wait, hells she kills kids and feeds them to kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they do that on the Simpsons for the Treehouse
Speaker 2: of Horror. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, like, you know, they don't have a budget. So
Speaker 3: then she's like, you know, there's not very much meat
Speaker 3: in this meeting or that's the PTA disbands episode. Listen.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they like kill the kids and eat the
Speaker 3: kids whatever. It's like a fun Simpsons Halloween episode. I
Speaker 3: think you should watch. Honestly, I think you should. My kids, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: we should do that. That'll be their way into the sun.
Speaker 3: The Bart Simpson Raven one, the Raven one I watched
Speaker 3: when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one I always think of when you bring
Speaker 2: up the Treehouse.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Ever more, never more so, I think it's
Speaker 3: criminal Simpsons. I follow a few accounts on Instagram, but
Speaker 3: they're doing a like March Madness style bracket of the
Speaker 3: best Treehouse of Horrors and we're at the final two
Speaker 3: right now. Anyways, it's a Simpsons thing. This is a
Speaker 3: horror movie set and Finn gets a burn in and goes,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's going to be straight to video and
Speaker 3: he's like, yes, this is super low budget and we
Speaker 3: needed latex dolls for fifty kids for a finale, and
Speaker 3: sex dolls are cheaper than prop dummies, and he said,
Speaker 3: nobody on production is fucking the dolls, So I sex
Speaker 3: dolls are expensive. You can't get prop If this is
Speaker 3: a low budget horror, there's no way you can't get
Speaker 3: body stuff for cheaper. Yeah, right, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: would think. Velasco turns to the whole crew and goes, listen,
Speaker 3: the dolls are evidence.
Speaker 2: We're taking them all. Hangl. Hat's like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: are treat me like a perp? I'm a hero.
Speaker 3: As soon as I saw the girl on the news,
Speaker 3: I brought the dolls straight to you, and fing goes, well,
Speaker 3: if you're a hero, tell us where you got the dolls.
Speaker 3: And it's like you didn't even ask him once before?
Speaker 3: Why are you being aggressive? Like he's keeping a secret,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know why you haven't asked him sooner.
Speaker 3: I just like don't know why they're being mean to
Speaker 3: this guy. I mean he entered fucked up.
Speaker 4: Like I would.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, yeah, Benson Stone creesy back up the office
Speaker 3: like jish. I thought, I've seen everything, and this is
Speaker 3: the first for him to underage sex dolls created just
Speaker 3: for pedophiles. This actually doesn't seem new to me, though.
Speaker 3: Has this really never been on SBU?
Speaker 1: I mean there's We've definitely talked about how there's see
Speaker 1: sam images that are created of not real children, like
Speaker 1: there's ai kind of like children that are created for photographs.
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I don't think I've seen that. This
Speaker 3: might be the first time we tackle kid sex dolls.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we got to find I just know that
Speaker 3: they sell them in Japan, Like that's like a fact.
Speaker 3: I heard that you could buy like limbless. Oh God, Sorry,
Speaker 3: that's just something I've heard and maybe that's not true.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to offense everyone, but I heard
Speaker 3: their sex stores are crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we got.
Speaker 1: A fuck cause I've been to Japan and I did
Speaker 1: see some wild like anime when you just walk into
Speaker 1: like stores that they'll just be like some porn stuff
Speaker 1: like mixed in with regular stuff, and you're like, oh.
Speaker 3: Wow, but I don't remember seeing any of themless babies.
Speaker 3: Well I have to have to head back. Okay, so
Speaker 3: it's we gotta find the cellar. But I spelled it
Speaker 3: like a wine cellar, not like sellar, like a cellar
Speaker 3: of something.
Speaker 2: And so that is why I.
Speaker 3: Was just confused reading something simple like that, And what
Speaker 3: do we charge them with?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, So it's not even a crime, but it is
Speaker 3: a teen girl and Creasy's like, yeah, but if it
Speaker 3: was made before the kidnapping, they're gonna claim it's a coincidence.
Speaker 3: And it's like, the bracelet's on the girl, it's not
Speaker 3: a coincidence. The doll has a bracelet, like this is
Speaker 3: it might be fresh? How did they have the bracelet?
Speaker 3: They just moved to New York. They're new in town,
Speaker 3: but the sex dolls are ready the bracelet.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it was a.
Speaker 3: Gift from her friend and they just moved to New York. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. This episode, I mean, I love it. I
Speaker 3: love the Maddie storyline throughout the season.
Speaker 1: But this is there's a lot of weird things this
Speaker 1: we should be doing continuity on this show.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any fucking sense. She just moved there.
Speaker 1: You think she's got a friend good enough to give
Speaker 1: her a friendship bracelet after a month in town. This
Speaker 1: guy must have discovered her for the photos like day
Speaker 1: one of when she moved to New York.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, no, it's a San Francisco friend gave it
Speaker 3: to her to the move to No, I know, but
Speaker 3: the photo guy he started to take pictures of for
Speaker 3: the first day she was in school.
Speaker 2: He got fifty photos of for how long she been there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of practices. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, this is why.
Speaker 3: Well, I just watched a clip of like I guess
Speaker 3: Martin Scorsese's editor at the Wolf of Wall Street, there's
Speaker 3: like continuity, errors, NonStop over she.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't care.
Speaker 3: But they said she's the best in the business and
Speaker 3: has all these oscars because it's all about like the
Speaker 3: way things feel and like you don't even notice it.
Speaker 3: But then they showed a clip like he throws money
Speaker 3: in the air but it never flies down. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's interesting to think about, like what
Speaker 3: is well technically being bad at it or what is
Speaker 3: good you know, like, yeah, interesting. Yeah, So the parents
Speaker 3: walk in, that's not good news, and she has to
Speaker 3: tell them your daughter is a sex doll. They're very upset.
Speaker 3: They look at the doll picture and it's a it's
Speaker 3: a real picture. So it's her and a birthday crown
Speaker 3: and the mom is like, oh my god, that's exact
Speaker 3: same out for from her birthday. So now this is fucked.
Speaker 3: Now we're getting fucked. So the parent, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: been fucked, but now it's a whole new level. And
Speaker 3: the parents are having a hard time with this info
Speaker 3: and like how this can't be a coincidence and that
Speaker 3: the doll and the kidnapping are connected. The dad flips
Speaker 3: out screams, how do you even know she's alive? And
Speaker 3: Benson sadly has to say, because she's more valuable to
Speaker 3: them alive. Hello, Like okay, So then Benson, this isn't
Speaker 3: this is not killing.
Speaker 2: This is they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna ruin her life probably Okay, So Benson want, I
Speaker 3: mean killing is ruining a life too. Benson wants to
Speaker 3: go through the mom's instagram. She's like, no, I have
Speaker 3: a private Instagram.
Speaker 2: I know everyone there.
Speaker 3: It could be nobody and Benson's like, yep, we're not
Speaker 3: ruling any of your friends out, and she goes, what
Speaker 3: And so now Benson's like, we're gonna go and research
Speaker 3: every single person that liked that picture and we're going
Speaker 3: to go in, so knock at the door. We're also
Speaker 3: finding the cellar and it's Golden Rabbit Importers in Chinatown.
Speaker 3: They enter a you know, like as a big group,
Speaker 3: lots of flashlights, huge warehouse. The dude's like, what the
Speaker 3: fuck and you can't be here, and it's like they can.
Speaker 3: So it's the best all warehouse. Watchman though, is really hot.
Speaker 3: I would I would say that. And then they find
Speaker 3: the doll. It's the Birthday Girl the bracelets on it,
Speaker 3: and Benson takes one of the bracelets.
Speaker 2: And then they asked the dude like, where did this
Speaker 2: doll come from?
Speaker 3: And he goes Taiwan, where all of them come from,
Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't give a fuck about all
Speaker 3: of them. I care about this one. He goes, that's
Speaker 3: the best seller Birthday Girl. Benson says, take everything and
Speaker 3: arrest him, and Rollins is now teaching at college. Whoo.
Speaker 3: So the Maslows hierarchy of needs is behind her on
Speaker 3: the whiteboard and.
Speaker 2: That wild we only ever heard of Masw's hierarchy of
Speaker 2: needs from you. I do love it, so that's cool
Speaker 2: that it's behind Rollin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, criminal motivation she's talking about was to satisfy basic needs,
Speaker 3: and then the basic need got corrupted around Jack the
Speaker 3: Ripper and that was the dawn of sex crimes investigation.
Speaker 3: But I don't but I mean, if we're going to
Speaker 3: just maybe sex crime investigation but definitely not sex crime, right,
Speaker 3: And I still like, isn't judas like didn't kind like
Speaker 3: haven't people been murdering each other for not needs often? Caesar, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: but I think maybe she's talking about the corruption of
Speaker 3: like murdering giving you a sexual thrill, murdering sexual thrill,
Speaker 3: like murder being tied to like sexual stuff. She assigns
Speaker 3: him to figure out why Jack the Ripper did what
Speaker 3: he did. Benson busts in. They talk Matty Flynn. She
Speaker 3: tells Rolin she's not okay. She's wearing the bracelet and
Speaker 3: Benson's like, there's just no leads. It's the worst, and
Speaker 3: Rollins brings up, but the doll was on the set,
Speaker 3: like it could be someone from the set Benson says,
Speaker 3: nobody like had a record of using it outside of
Speaker 3: being a prop. There's no indicator that someone was fucking
Speaker 3: the doll on.
Speaker 2: Your back light it. I'm sure that, Yeah, they're in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rollins says, are you tracking other buyers that weren't
Speaker 3: using the doll as a prop? And then Benson seems stunned,
Speaker 3: like a case of criminal sexual escalation. This doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like that wild of a breakthrough to me though, Like
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you go look at who bought the doll?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But whatever, Rollins is like, yeah, porn whatever Benson ads
Speaker 3: or like smokes, you know, like one day it's one
Speaker 3: and then the next year it's two packs a day,
Speaker 3: and you need to get that high. And pedophiles can't
Speaker 3: always control themselves, so they're thinking, like, you know, the
Speaker 3: perp might be on the buyer's list. The doll wasn't
Speaker 3: enough for them anymore. Benson screams our perp, and they smile,
Speaker 3: and Rollins offers to help, and Benson's like, ough, don't
Speaker 3: make me miss you more than I already do. So
Speaker 3: the bell rings and the students come in, and this
Speaker 3: is college, there are no bells, so another foil, is.
Speaker 1: There, Benson rawlins shipping you think there has to be,
Speaker 1: especially after the tower, Yeah, especially after the towel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 3: So they go visit all the buyers with their dolls,
Speaker 3: and we meet a guy who has two dolls because
Speaker 3: one of the dolls got lonely, and he has this
Speaker 3: little tiny bun on the top of his head and
Speaker 3: he's so sad they're getting bagged up. He knows nothing
Speaker 3: about a missing girl, and Benson goes, good, give us DNA, bitch,
Speaker 3: and then it's a montage of dolls being taken away
Speaker 3: from men. A wife is screaming, you hit it in
Speaker 3: her cloth in her old room, and it's like he
Speaker 3: would be dumb enough, but also I don't believe that
Speaker 3: she wouldn't go into her daughter's room and go through
Speaker 3: the closet. But I also don't think he could have
Speaker 3: hid this big ass doll this long from his wife,
Speaker 3: Like I just really don't and then the husband. So
Speaker 3: then the husband goes, he just got I just goddled
Speaker 3: with her, and she's like, you're disgusting, And then we
Speaker 3: find a with a weird haircut, a mullet, but not
Speaker 3: it's really a lot of angles to this hairdoo and
Speaker 3: he tries denying it, but his credit card, you know,
Speaker 3: bought the doll. So then he decides to run and
Speaker 3: Benson's like, oh God, like takes this time, like walking
Speaker 3: like Mike Myers, like she he's not going to get
Speaker 3: for he's not really athletic.
Speaker 2: He tries climbing a fence.
Speaker 3: Benson's like, you're going to hurt yourself, just like, please
Speaker 3: come down and tells where this doll is. So he
Speaker 3: says like, it's not what you think and he can
Speaker 3: barely get down the fence and they're pretty nice to him,
Speaker 3: like so then they go into the dump and they
Speaker 3: find the doll in the dump and he's cuffed. Benson
Speaker 3: asks why did you throw her out? And he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I had to. She's the reason all this happened. She
Speaker 3: does prey hands to him and says, do you know
Speaker 3: where Maddie is?
Speaker 2: And he says no.
Speaker 3: He notices the bracelet on Benson's wrists and says, but
Speaker 3: I know who took her.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So we're in cement room bars and this guy bought
Speaker 3: the doll but didn't know she was real until his
Speaker 3: friend Mark saw a picture of the doll he posted
Speaker 3: in a chat room that he's in and so there
Speaker 3: going through like the tech right now, we're going to
Speaker 3: like see all this and Cariesy's curious how Mark knew
Speaker 3: this was a real girl, and he goes, well, Mark
Speaker 3: is smart and put it all together. So then the
Speaker 3: guy with the bad Haircut's like, you know, knowing she
Speaker 3: was really he just couldn't stop thinking about her. There's
Speaker 3: a real version of my doll. And yeah, so you
Speaker 3: know who took Maddie? We asked who took Maddie. Mark
Speaker 3: and bad Haircut paid a separate guy eight thousand dollars
Speaker 3: to take her. But then the guy changed his mind
Speaker 3: and said, you know, cancel, but it was too late.
Speaker 3: He thought he would eventually take her home to her parents,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what is going on? He wants to
Speaker 3: go home now and asks and Benson's like, no, you
Speaker 3: are not going home.
Speaker 2: You orchestrated a kidnapping for money trafficking. Finn comes in.
Speaker 3: They got a number off this scumbag's phone and they're
Speaker 3: able to track it through the carrier. So they run
Speaker 3: to a motel and the guy that works there thought
Speaker 3: it was just like her father all guns are out
Speaker 3: there going into this motel room there, but there's water
Speaker 3: pouring out of the room, so that's terrible news. They
Speaker 3: opened the door and Sin leads the team in yelling
Speaker 3: for Maddie. We hear the bathtub running. He dumped a
Speaker 3: sim card on the floor and then they open the door.
Speaker 3: There's a garbage bag in the tub. They pull it out.
Speaker 3: It's heavy and obviously a body and they pull out
Speaker 3: the body bag.
Speaker 2: It's a different girl. So it's a girl with a nose.
Speaker 3: Piercing and fin Yell's for narcans.
Speaker 2: She's alive. My eyes are barely open.
Speaker 3: Makeup did like an insane job, and she's such a
Speaker 3: good actress. It's really scary and really unnerving this scene.
Speaker 3: She's in like very rough shape. And another hot cool
Speaker 3: girl detective comes over to thank Benson for finding her
Speaker 3: missing girl, Tanya, and she's s View Detective Sloan Parish
Speaker 3: from Bergen Hills Prosecutor's office.
Speaker 1: They shake hands and she is the actress is Amber
Speaker 1: Sky Noise and Noias or Noise.
Speaker 2: She was in townhouse incident. She's the redhead in townhouse incident.
Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, yeah, fuck yeah. She came back after like
Speaker 2: many seasons. I bet Benson really liked working with her. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So she says that all the.
Speaker 3: Guys on her squad thought she was just a runaway
Speaker 3: except for her, and she's so sick of shouting into
Speaker 3: the wind, and Benson's like, obviously gets understands that. It
Speaker 3: invites her back to the city to interview Tanya together,
Speaker 3: so girl power and then thunder rumbles. So they're chatting
Speaker 3: with Tanya on a leather couch. There's so many couches
Speaker 3: in this episode. She lets Tanya know that Sloan has
Speaker 3: been looking for her for a really long time, and
Speaker 3: she she but she had so much fence and all
Speaker 3: in her system, like it was so deadly. And she's like,
Speaker 3: are you gonna arrest me? And they're like, no, girl,
Speaker 3: we want to help you.
Speaker 2: Who is that man?
Speaker 3: She says, it's George from Canada, and that's all she knows.
Speaker 3: They met partying on the train a few months back.
Speaker 3: It was a cross country Amtrak situation. He likes to
Speaker 3: ride it for days. She met him in Jacksonville. Nothing
Speaker 3: good happens there and he could tell she was an
Speaker 3: addict from all the burns on her hands. But she
Speaker 3: thought it was just rock, but he gave her fent instead.
Speaker 3: He was in his late thirties, brown hair, and then
Speaker 3: she goes, oh, are you asking all this because you
Speaker 3: want to know about that girl he took and they say, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were a photo of Maddie. She saw her a
Speaker 3: few days ago. George went out and said he was
Speaker 3: going to make eight grand and come back, and came
Speaker 3: back with her and the money, and she seemed so
Speaker 3: out of it. They got into a fight, and when
Speaker 3: he said he was leaving because he couldn't take both
Speaker 3: of them, and she says, no, there's no gun. It's
Speaker 3: not violent, like that's not what this is. I never
Speaker 3: saw a gun. After the fight though, he got her
Speaker 3: high to calm her nerves, and next thing she knows,
Speaker 3: she woke up.
Speaker 2: In that bag. He was leaving her there to drown. Though,
Speaker 2: like she starts to cry.
Speaker 3: It's like really sad, and she's sobbing, and Benson says,
Speaker 3: you're safe now. Benson walks out and tells the men like, well,
Speaker 3: now I know why she seems so out of it
Speaker 3: and calm.
Speaker 2: He was drugging her.
Speaker 3: He drugs the victims, So we got to get this
Speaker 3: guy and he likes to be on the run, which
Speaker 3: means he knows how to stay hidden. And so now
Speaker 3: we got to go to Amtrak, and we got to
Speaker 3: figure out send the descriptions out, and we got to
Speaker 3: find Tanya's mother. So Sloan is going to try to
Speaker 3: call the mom. And then now McGrath is here with
Speaker 3: of course idea. He wants a press conference. They found
Speaker 3: a girl who's missing for over a year, yay, And
Speaker 3: Benson's like, this isn't a win, bro, They're still a
Speaker 3: missing girl. He goes, yeah, not the win you wanted,
Speaker 3: but a win that's in front of us. So they're
Speaker 3: in the rain, umbrella is everywhere. McGrath, you know, is
Speaker 3: doing a press conference, and Tanya's with her mother, so
Speaker 3: this is good. Then Mattie's mom, of course, is upset
Speaker 3: and no umbrella, soaking wet, runs up to them, screaming,
Speaker 3: pissed at Benson said, you need to find my daughter.
Speaker 3: Somebody needs to find my daughter. She screams, where is
Speaker 3: Maddie sobbing crying. McGrath makes a face like, oh, I
Speaker 3: guess I did a fumble here. Benson is pained. She
Speaker 3: is right again, and no one listens to her and
Speaker 3: this is a dick wolf baby, but also to be continued,
Speaker 3: there's three more episodes throughout the season having to do
Speaker 3: with this case and journey to find Maddie.
Speaker 2: Right, so let's move on to the true crime. All right.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say you're gonna be like, whoa
Speaker 1: same crime? But the crime is has moments of similarity,
Speaker 1: and some people think it's based on this because this
Speaker 1: was kind of a publicized incident. So September of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: Karna Page Slusser is a senior in high school in
Speaker 1: central Pennsylvania. It's like sixty miles from Scranton. Previously, she'd
Speaker 1: run track been a cheerleader, but she quit that her
Speaker 1: senior year and she starts, you know, falling in with
Speaker 1: a bad crowd. Her grades start to slip, you know,
Speaker 1: the same old the tale as old as time. She
Speaker 1: and her mom, whose name is Sabina Touroto, they start
Speaker 1: fighting more and as the year goes on, Karina's drinking, smoking, weeds,
Speaker 1: skipping school. By January of twenty seventeen, she's dropped out
Speaker 1: of her high school.
Speaker 2: She's going to online school.
Speaker 1: She's not going to those classes either, and the sad
Speaker 1: thing is one of the articles I read said she's.
Speaker 2: Only one class shy of graduating.
Speaker 1: But on January third, my sister's birthday, Karina tweets screenshots
Speaker 1: of texts that she sent her mom that are like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Twitter in this. It's like when
Speaker 1: people still use Twitter as like a normal place to
Speaker 1: express yourself.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 3: It's like a time capsule because now it's just like
Speaker 3: a healthscape. She wrote, quote, I need things to change.
Speaker 3: I need to be happy. I lost motivation and goals
Speaker 3: because of how unhappy I've been. I hate myself and
Speaker 3: I need to teach myself to love me and you.
Speaker 3: I want us to do it together. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be your disappointment, but I'm sorry. I need you, mommy.
Speaker 3: I want you to help me.
Speaker 2: End quote. This is like so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: In April of that year, Karina does attempt to take
Speaker 1: her own life by swallowing fifty tile and alls.
Speaker 2: She gets taken to the er.
Speaker 1: She survives, but she is held in a psych unit
Speaker 1: for three days and a friend of a lot of
Speaker 1: this that I'm getting is from an eyewitness news which
Speaker 1: is a New York which is like Channel seven New
Speaker 1: York Eyewitness News investigative report. There's aecial segment called Missing
Speaker 1: that a one reporter started doing when Gabby Patito went missing,
Speaker 1: and so now she does this missing segment, and so
Speaker 1: this is like a long story that I that is
Speaker 1: available as like an article and a video. But a
Speaker 1: friend told the reporter for Missing that when she visited
Speaker 1: Karina in the hospital after her suicide attempt, she was
Speaker 1: texting quote a guy from New York, so who knows
Speaker 1: what's going on. The following month, she gets a very
Speaker 1: large tattoo right between her boobs. I don't really know
Speaker 1: why this is relevant to the timeline, but then I
Speaker 1: do realize that it is like a huge identifying marker
Speaker 1: for her if you were to see her or know her.
Speaker 1: There is a very large like lotus flower black tattoo like.
Speaker 2: Right between her boobs.
Speaker 1: In June of twenty seventeen, she moves out of her
Speaker 1: mom's house and in with a friend and she's working
Speaker 1: at Applebee's. Her aunt is Julie Anne Becker Kalfa, who
Speaker 1: told Dateline that she didn't like her mom didn't want
Speaker 1: Karina to go out of the house, but she was
Speaker 1: eighteen so she had to let her go. In August,
Speaker 1: Karina moves out of the friend's house, but apparently the
Speaker 1: friend kicked her out and wouldn't give her any of
Speaker 1: her clothes. Karina, she goes, she owes me Rent, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving her any of the clothes until she pays
Speaker 1: me Rent. And one of her friends, Kaylee Levan, told
Speaker 1: missing that a man picked Karina up and said she
Speaker 1: wouldn't need these clothes because he was gonna buy her
Speaker 1: a bunch of clothes. So on August nineteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: she posts on Facebook that she's in Brooklyn, Okay. Her
Speaker 1: mom is like, what are you doing in New York
Speaker 1: City and she makes it sound like, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: like a visit, no plans to stay. But later she
Speaker 1: tells her mom, I'm looking for a studio apartment and
Speaker 1: I'm working quote unquote payroll, whatever that means. And at
Speaker 1: this point Karina is nineteen. So on August twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, she has assaulted at the Harlem Vista Hotel
Speaker 1: by a guy named Jovanni Peguero, age thirty two. We
Speaker 1: don't really know how these two know each other, but
Speaker 1: he's been a frequent flyer in prison since he was
Speaker 1: a teen. Burglary, robbery, sex trafficking, promoting prostitution, assault, harassment,
Speaker 1: criminal mischief, possession, selling drugs, resisting arrest is sort of contact,
Speaker 1: like this guy's got a rap sheet. Police say, Peguero
Speaker 1: stole three hundred dollars from Karina and then she confronted him.
Speaker 1: He slammed her against the wall, choked her out. She
Speaker 1: called nine one one once to the hospital. Three days later,
Speaker 1: he's arrested, charged with assault, harassment, and criminal obstruction of
Speaker 1: breathing or blood circulation. Very specific charger I didn't know about,
Speaker 1: and Karina gets a six month order of protection against Paguero.
Speaker 1: He cannot communicate her within any way, which includes phone, text, email,
Speaker 1: or social media, or he could face up to seven
Speaker 1: years in prison. So he posts a thousand dollars bail
Speaker 1: and is released. A copy of that order gets sent
Speaker 1: to her mother in Pennsylvania, who's obviously like what the fuck,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know any of this happened. What happened?
Speaker 1: And she's just playing it down. She's like, uh, guy
Speaker 1: robbed me, he went to jail, everything's fine. But literally
Speaker 1: less than a week after she got this order of protection.
Speaker 1: She's Facebook messaging Paguero, which does violate the order of protection,
Speaker 1: and asks how are you Are you okay?
Speaker 2: And a few days later he writes back, Hi, how
Speaker 2: are you? Are you all right? I miss you still so.
Speaker 1: Around this time, she tweets about getting her first apartment
Speaker 1: in New York and it's in Jerome Park in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: It's really wild, like because you can go to this
Speaker 1: girl's instagram, Like I went to it, I saw these photos,
Speaker 1: and you know, she's just like a cute girl that's
Speaker 1: like so excited. She writes, never been more happier in
Speaker 1: my life. Forever dream accomplished end quote. Like she's so happy.
Speaker 1: And her apartment looks really nice in the photos, like
Speaker 1: cute kitchen. Like it's like looks like a cute like
Speaker 1: new apartment. The next day, September eighth, twenty seventeen, is
Speaker 1: the last time she updates her profile pictures on social media.
Speaker 1: She posts cheers to Pumpkins, spice and fall fashion in
Speaker 1: my new home. Two days later, her last social media
Speaker 1: post is posted from the Bronx and I went and
Speaker 1: I looked at this photo. It's a picture of someone's
Speaker 1: smoking weed. On the street and the face is mostly
Speaker 1: obscured by a hat, and she writes siphon midday, mid
Speaker 1: road always good for the soul. It's like somebody smoking
Speaker 1: a jay. But I don't think it looks like her.
Speaker 1: To me, it looks like a guy. And the identity
Speaker 1: of the person in the photo has never been confirmed.
Speaker 1: And if you go to it, there's tons of people
Speaker 1: arguing in the comments, being like, that's her, that's her,
Speaker 1: like and then other people saying, no, way, that's not her,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Around this time, Karina meets Ishi Woni,
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old want to be rapper, and
Speaker 1: they exchange eight hundred and sixty ten text messages in
Speaker 1: ten days, so shit's moving fast and furious with these two.
Speaker 1: Ishijoni sends a picture to Karina over Facebook messager of himself, Karina,
Speaker 1: and another woman who was later identified as another one
Speaker 1: of his sex trafficking victims. She was advertised with Karina
Speaker 1: as quote a two girl special. The last day Karina
Speaker 1: is seen is Sadly my birthday, September twentieth, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: She's someone sees her leaving the Haven Motel on wood
Speaker 1: Haven Boulevard in Rigo Park.
Speaker 2: Queens, early in the morning.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors do believe she was with Ishi Woni at the motel,
Speaker 1: but it did not have working cameras at the time.
Speaker 1: But also the same day, she messaged Peguero, the original
Speaker 1: guy who assaulted her, saying, quote, please please let me come.
Speaker 1: If not, I could be locked up. She said, I'm
Speaker 1: the man left her at a motel, quote with no
Speaker 1: money in food, and he tries to call her through
Speaker 1: the Facebook messenger but she doesn't pick up, and no
Speaker 1: one knows if these two ever connected or linked up
Speaker 1: at all. She always She also that same day left
Speaker 1: a sort of frantic voicemail for her friend Kaylie, who
Speaker 1: spoke to Dateliner spoke to Missing earlier in this report
Speaker 1: that I'm giving the last day she was seen, she
Speaker 1: called her mom and said, I want to come home,
Speaker 1: and her mom was headed to her dad's, not to
Speaker 1: not Karina, but to her own the mother's dad's funeral
Speaker 1: in Florida, and Karina's like, oh, I'm going to come
Speaker 1: to Florida too.
Speaker 2: But then she called.
Speaker 1: The next she called and said, according to her aunt Julie,
Speaker 1: she told her mom like, oh, her license and security
Speaker 1: cardbin social Security cardban stolen, so she can't fly, and
Speaker 1: Julie told dateline quote she said she wanted to come
Speaker 1: home to Pennsylvania, though, and she'd be home the next
Speaker 1: day end quote. So the mom is in Florida for
Speaker 1: a week, keeps calling Karina, but it's going to voicemail.
Speaker 1: When she gets back, she still can't reach her. She's
Speaker 1: trying all of Karina's friends, none of them have her
Speaker 1: from her. Now, it's early October twenty seventeen. The mom
Speaker 1: files a missing person's report with her local police department,
Speaker 1: who then talks with the Manhattan DIA's office, who say, quote,
Speaker 1: give him Piguero's background. There is a concern that he
Speaker 1: may be holding Sluster against her will and prostituting her
Speaker 1: out for money end quote. Her family believes that Karina
Speaker 1: is being held in a sex trafficking ring. So I
Speaker 1: guess that's kind of where these stories match up from
Speaker 1: the episode. But it's obviously a very different situation, and
Speaker 1: the girl's older, she's not a fifteen year old, and
Speaker 1: there's no sex to all component. But on October nineteenth,
Speaker 1: the NYPD, this is wild. On October nineteenth, she's been
Speaker 1: missing for a month. The NYPD emails her emails Karina,
Speaker 1: going quote, your family has reported you missing and they
Speaker 1: want to know if you are okay. Karina never responds, Wow,
Speaker 1: the email did it work?
Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: Can you believe you can't just email people who have
Speaker 1: been missing and they won't just right back and go
Speaker 1: all good? Thanks for checking. On the twenty ninth, Facebook
Speaker 1: messages her saying, Hey, I miss you. Can you just
Speaker 1: hit me up and let me know you okay? So
Speaker 1: no one has seen or heard from her at this point.
Speaker 1: Now in six weeks, it's early November. Her mother goes
Speaker 1: to the media. She's on the cover of the Daily
Speaker 1: News with the headline gone girl missing teen got order
Speaker 1: of protection against pimp. Like she's a beautiful, blonde haired,
Speaker 1: blue eyed girl. Like they're obviously the media is picking
Speaker 1: this up. They love this kind of thing, and people
Speaker 1: do love to feed into the trafficking thing, which, as
Speaker 1: I've said, is real. But this is like a this
Speaker 1: I can tell why the press picked this up. NYPD
Speaker 1: officers interview a woman and is she wany about Karina's disappearance,
Speaker 1: but that information is not available because she's considered a
Speaker 1: victim of a sex offense, and so it's like considered
Speaker 1: sort of sealed. A couple days later, a former detective
Speaker 1: in Graham Prairie, Texas says that he received a crime
Speaker 1: Stoppers tip from NYPD that Karina might be in Graham
Speaker 1: Prairie being held captive. Nothing pans out, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: for five months. In April of twenty eighteen, because people
Speaker 1: are fucking evil, someone tries to extort Karina's mom for
Speaker 1: seventy five hundred dollars, saying I've got her. Don't go
Speaker 1: to the cops, and the cops go, don't go to
Speaker 1: the drop. This could be a scam. She almost goes,
Speaker 1: then she doesn't, and then then they message her going
Speaker 1: remember this day though, April seventeenth, Tuesday nine, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: because it's the day you almost got her. That's what
Speaker 1: they're telling the mother. They likely do not have her
Speaker 1: for seventy five hundred dollars. It seems like a very
Speaker 1: low ball for a life of a child. The mother
Speaker 1: is also getting other tips from people contacting her, but
Speaker 1: nothing is leading anywhere. Then in the spring of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: the FBI gets involved. They raid her room in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: they take a DNA sample from the mom. They also
Speaker 1: tell the mom that Karina's last cell phone ping was
Speaker 1: in Jamaica, Queens, which does happen to be where JFK is.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's possible she could have flown out
Speaker 1: somewhere on Halloween of twenty eighteen. Is she Woni is
Speaker 1: arrested on federal charges for sex trafficking Karina and the
Speaker 1: woman from the earlier picture the two girl special that
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier. FBI Assistant Director in charge Will Sweeney
Speaker 1: said in a press release quote, as alleged one, he
Speaker 1: compelled his victim to engage in prostitution through force and coercion,
Speaker 1: and he used both his victim and Karina Slesser, who
Speaker 1: has been missing since September twenty seventeen, in online advertisements
Speaker 1: promoting prostitution, and her aunt is in all these interviews
Speaker 1: being like, just look at her social media. They look
Speaker 1: like ads for prostitution, but it's really just her in
Speaker 1: a bathing suit looking sexy. But she's also a teen Like,
Speaker 1: she's also a woman in her late teens that just
Speaker 1: wants to look hot on Instagram. So you can't really
Speaker 1: tell what's real with the mom, so is she When
Speaker 1: he got fifteen years in prison at the sentencing, Karina's
Speaker 1: mother begged him, like, please tell me where she is.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: He apparently said, I don't know where your daughter is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's dead or alive, but I'm
Speaker 1: praying that she is.
Speaker 2: He says.
Speaker 1: So the mom seems to be doing a lot. So
Speaker 1: that's similar to like the mom in this story, Like
Speaker 1: she's obviously very frantic and she's feeling very hopeless. The
Speaker 1: mother in the real life situation in the spring of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the mom does a genius thing. She buys
Speaker 1: a phone and connects it with Karina's number. All of
Speaker 1: her photos, apps, calendar reminders, and emails load onto the phone,
Speaker 1: probably just like Apple ID or something, but her texts
Speaker 1: and calls don't. So then the FBI goes, can we
Speaker 1: have the phone? Like the FBI never thought of doing this,
Speaker 1: so they're like, can we have it? And then they
Speaker 1: give it back to her two months later. They tell
Speaker 1: her nothing else. They don't tell her anything they found,
Speaker 1: they don't tell her anything. So it's like January of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. She's been gone for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and the mother goes to one of Peguero's court hearings
Speaker 1: and confronts him, and he tells her he thinks that
Speaker 1: Karina is alive and quote unquote exploring New York City.
Speaker 1: And you know it would be wild, like she was
Speaker 1: on the cover of Daily News and the posts, like
Speaker 1: someone would have caught her exploring the city and like
Speaker 1: reported her.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So in November of twenty twenty one, somebody goes into
Speaker 1: Karina's Facebook account and they search her mother's name. So
Speaker 1: is that Karina Is that somebody who has access to
Speaker 1: her account? Her aunt told Dayline when she initially went missing, quote,
Speaker 1: we have no idea where she is now. Unfortunately, Karina
Speaker 1: is a text bookcase of the trafficking epidemic. She is
Speaker 1: one of thousands of in NYC. People may be envisioning
Speaker 1: runaways and drug addicts, and that is not Karina. She
Speaker 1: was a cheerleader for a team called the corn Huskers.
Speaker 1: She came from a rural Pennsylvania town. She was looking
Speaker 1: for a more exciting life and I think that's why
Speaker 1: she went to New York City. I know Karina had
Speaker 1: no idea what she was getting herself into end quote,
Speaker 1: and her aunt thinks that she may have been killed
Speaker 1: for wanting to leave and come back to Pennsylvania because
Speaker 1: she called her mom and said I want to come
Speaker 1: home and then was never heard from again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no update on that, Like, we don't know where
Speaker 1: she is. It's a sad It is a sad fucking story.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I know, And like, yeah, I could have been either
Speaker 1: one of these guys. It could be a totally separate person,
Speaker 1: like who fucking knows. But that is the scoop on
Speaker 1: the Karina page slesser story.
Speaker 2: It's really sad. Yeah, but we're going to cheer you
Speaker 2: up with a great interview. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is an incredibly talented young actress who
Speaker 1: recently starred in the Future Beyond the Lake. But you
Speaker 1: know her best for her arc on the most recent
Speaker 1: season of SVU, season twenty five, as the kidnapping victim
Speaker 1: who Benson just can't quit, Maddie Flynn. Please enjoy our
Speaker 1: chat with the very lovely Allison Elaine. I can't believe
Speaker 1: we're talking to Mattie Flynn, Olivia Benson's biggest obsession season five.
Speaker 2: Arc, Like, what how did this all come about?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, did you know it was gonna be
Speaker 1: like this big four episode thing that stretched across the
Speaker 1: whole season.
Speaker 5: No, no, are you hitting me? I didn't even know
Speaker 5: I was going to be a sex doll.
Speaker 1: I think I was the last know about everything in
Speaker 1: our podcast or did did you?
Speaker 2: Did you play the sex doll? No, it was okay.
Speaker 1: On your Instagram there's a photo of you being like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's me the sex doll.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like, wait, my mind is blown
Speaker 2: out in the explanation, So maybe we need to start
Speaker 2: a sex doll.
Speaker 5: Let's start where we were at the beginning, which is
Speaker 5: always the sex doll.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I did not know.
Speaker 5: I was going to play sex all because one would
Speaker 5: just assume that they would have a sex all play
Speaker 5: the sex doll. And no, I'm sitting in the makeup
Speaker 5: chair and the very talented makeup artist, Michael Harvey, he
Speaker 5: comes and he rolls out all of this stuff, right,
Speaker 5: that is not your normal everyday makeup, And I was like,
Speaker 5: what do you do on, buddy?
Speaker 6: And You're like, we're turning you into the doll today.
Speaker 2: I am You're shocked.
Speaker 5: You're gonna go on as soon as we're finished, Are
Speaker 5: you ready? And I was like, uh, nobody mentioned that
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 2: I will be ready.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it took three hours every day to cover
Speaker 5: they can mean like seven layers of latex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it looked like a dolt.
Speaker 3: When Kara even asked you, it's like, that's obviously adult.
Speaker 2: Wait so you had latex on you seven?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah it was.
Speaker 5: It was obviously a wig and you know, the the
Speaker 5: lashes and the all the they painted my whole body essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I.
Speaker 6: Really quickly had to learn how to not breathe or blink.
Speaker 2: Did they get nominated for an Emmy for makeup?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: I mean they should, they should.
Speaker 2: That should have submitted.
Speaker 3: That's incredible that but you can't. But then you can't blink, right.
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: It? Uh? Yeah, I would say it was hard because
Speaker 5: you can't like, you know, the walk by you were
Speaker 5: rip open a garbage bag and all this light comes
Speaker 5: in and your eyes just sort of start watering and
Speaker 5: you can't do anything about it. Yeah, And it was
Speaker 5: hilarious the amount of text that I got being like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm dying that there's a sex doll
Speaker 5: of you in a warehouse somewhere and I was like, no, it's.
Speaker 6: Me, it's me.
Speaker 1: I would have thought that would have been the prop
Speaker 1: master's job to like make a sex doll. But I
Speaker 1: bet you that they were like, this has to look
Speaker 1: exactly like her, so let's just get Allison.
Speaker 2: To I think so.
Speaker 5: Also, I think there was like maybe a legal thing
Speaker 5: where they didn't want to have to figure out how
Speaker 5: to dispose of an identical to me. I don't know,
Speaker 5: like what do you do afterwards with that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, you're definitely the first human sex doll.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think they're expensive, yeah, brand, especially the
Speaker 3: royal dolls, like the ones that are like yeah not
Speaker 3: just like blow up back party sex dolls, you know,
Speaker 3: like you were.
Speaker 2: You were on top of the line sex doll. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I was high end so many turns.
Speaker 2: And that's the story.
Speaker 3: Well from just your Instagram and the actress who played
Speaker 3: your mom so fucking talented. I looked on hers and
Speaker 3: it seemed like you guys had like a vibe with Marishka.
Speaker 5: Seemed like, oh my god, Marishka is in love with Leslie,
Speaker 5: Like they had Leslie's who play my mom? They like
Speaker 5: are our besties. I don't know how it happened. Somewhere
Speaker 5: there was just like a romance that was born between
Speaker 5: the two of them. Oh my god, and like Mariushka
Speaker 5: text her all the time and it's so and I
Speaker 5: love Leslie.
Speaker 6: Leslie is like not old enough to actually be my mom.
Speaker 5: She's only like seven years older than me, so she's
Speaker 5: gofte me like my big sister or opt green.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely was like, are you allowed to be in
Speaker 1: a hotel room by yourself? You're only sixteen? Like I
Speaker 1: I did not realize that you were like a full
Speaker 1: adult until I like went on your Instagram and.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh yeah, no, care about that.
Speaker 3: We have to do it later in the day because
Speaker 3: that's when school gets out.
Speaker 2: I think she has school.
Speaker 3: And then we started researching and I'm like, she's a
Speaker 3: grown one's full grown one.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I get mistaken all the time, though, Like TSA,
Speaker 5: I stumped TSA every time I got through.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's I mean, you look, the people
Speaker 1: that were on nine O two one oh back in
Speaker 1: the day were all like thirty playing high school students.
Speaker 2: You want a young look, you got to. I will
Speaker 2: take it as long as I can.
Speaker 6: They don't. They don't make me take my shoes off,
Speaker 6: they take twelve and undergo.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, perfect, you don't have to pay for
Speaker 1: TSA pre or clear.
Speaker 2: I love that baby. So like, you must have auditioned.
Speaker 1: They must have auditioned like dozens, if not hundreds of
Speaker 1: girls to be this like Mattie Flynn arc character. How
Speaker 1: was your whole audition process? Was it like on tape
Speaker 1: and then a callback? Like what was the journey?
Speaker 5: It was so back So initially they did want Maddie
Speaker 5: supposed to be, but initially they wanted her younger, and
Speaker 5: then I guess for safety purpose, you know, La had
Speaker 5: come back. Was like maybe with where the storyline is headed,
Speaker 5: we're gonna go older. Yes, for the sake of you know,
Speaker 5: user audiences, not right, the ickiness, yes, the heroine of
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 5: I all I did was I sent in It was
Speaker 5: the scene in episode one where she's walking through the
Speaker 5: supermarket with her parents or the whatever store, and uh,
Speaker 5: that was it. That's all I did. I didn't do
Speaker 5: a callback or anything. They sent me the offer right
Speaker 5: off of that tape and uh yeah. Then like four
Speaker 5: days later I was I was at Chelsea Piers, Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying. I went in so blind,
Speaker 5: like no idea where this was headed, no idea about
Speaker 5: the sex doll or the teenage boy bit of it all.
Speaker 6: Like I was just like, great, here I go.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get in advance.
Speaker 3: And you obviously made a giant impression because you would
Speaker 3: think they would see like, oh, can she cry or
Speaker 3: can she do all these things?
Speaker 2: But they knew I will say, yeah.
Speaker 6: David was very sweet, the head writer, and he was like, oh.
Speaker 5: No, we're glad this worked out because yeah, we're we're
Speaker 5: going to keep you on. We're going to keep it going.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh good. They were like yeah,
Speaker 5: we weren't sure if you could act, and I was like, lass,
Speaker 5: I didn't disappoint.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting, yeah, because I bet you, like they
Speaker 1: could have still had that whole arc happen with like
Speaker 1: less of the you turning into like the boy or
Speaker 1: being a boy in disguise and like and being all that.
Speaker 1: If you didn't know how to act, they could have
Speaker 1: just been like we're still looking for Maddie. You would
Speaker 1: have just been like a disappeared person. The whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and because you can. They were like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's get this girl on a train. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I know we're talking about the episode tunnel Blind today,
Speaker 1: but we're obviously talking to you about your entire arc
Speaker 1: and so so yeah, that scene in Zone Rouge, you guys,
Speaker 1: are you guys on a moving train?
Speaker 2: Like you look like you're on a Metro North train No,
Speaker 2: or like an.
Speaker 6: Amtrak in this studio?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 5: Cool? It was crazy, like yeah, they and they built it,
Speaker 5: took it down like within a day.
Speaker 6: They're speedy out there.
Speaker 3: They they're no, well, what about the store. The store
Speaker 3: was a store a set.
Speaker 6: Yes, the store was real.
Speaker 5: That was I think like a shopping say in downtown Manhattan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that one was real.
Speaker 2: But like that scene where you have to be like
Speaker 2: your like is drugged up.
Speaker 1: You're talking to this guy, then he goes to the
Speaker 1: bathroom and then you have to like in a heroin
Speaker 1: induced haze or whatever he has you on, you're like
Speaker 1: scribbling this note and leaving it for the guy behind you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I didn't even recognize that was you,
Speaker 1: and I'd been watching the whole like season, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, is that supposed to be Maddie Flint like it.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 5: I got so humbled. I'm got so humbled by the internet.
Speaker 6: Are you kidding me? They were? My friend showed me.
Speaker 6: I guess there was.
Speaker 5: Some Reddit thread where they were like, Maddy's been recast,
Speaker 5: that's the boy, like there's no light.
Speaker 2: Okay, another another shout out to hair and makeup. That's right.
Speaker 6: I mean really though they're the real heroes. But yeah,
Speaker 6: there was.
Speaker 5: They would press that train bent null high costume every
Speaker 5: day with continent packets because the director, Bethany, she was
Speaker 5: so talented, but she was like uglier, dirtier, nastier, Like
Speaker 5: I couldn't get like nasty enough for her.
Speaker 2: And at one point the head.
Speaker 5: Of costume, I'm eating an egg burrito that's what like
Speaker 5: nine in the morning, and she's like, no, I want chunks,
Speaker 5: like and I've already been covered in relish at this
Speaker 5: like they just are throwing things on me, and she goes,
Speaker 5: are you done with her burrito? And I was like yeah,
Speaker 5: she just takes it and just smush his egg Oh
Speaker 5: my god, down my.
Speaker 2: Shirt like all over.
Speaker 6: And it was like such a comfy costume too that
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 5: Forget I was looking the way I looked, and so
Speaker 5: I would be like, oh great, thanks everybody, and like.
Speaker 2: Go to hug somebody and they'd be like, don't touch me.
Speaker 2: Yeah he oh god, I forgot.
Speaker 6: I probably smelled you. I smelled like egg and ketchup.
Speaker 2: Because he was also a unique criminal.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much you watch this for you,
Speaker 3: but we've never had like a nihilist on I don't
Speaker 3: feel before, or like cold one.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He was a very unique guy. And then it kept twisting,
Speaker 3: like when the mom goes to me. I mean, there
Speaker 3: were so many twists throughout the episodes, and then the
Speaker 3: trial with the mistrial and the juror, I'm like, are
Speaker 3: you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 5: Get this guy out of here? You know, I know
Speaker 5: he was. It was I was really hoping that my
Speaker 5: mom was going to kill him.
Speaker 6: When I was reading that was.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then obviously you know Benson is not going to
Speaker 3: let her best friend go down for go down murder.
Speaker 6: No, Leslie, yeahh.
Speaker 2: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're going to bring you back in
Speaker 1: like a couple of seasons where like Maddie goes to college,
Speaker 1: and like something happens to like your friend, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I think I know someone, and you like bring Benson
Speaker 1: into it. Let me call it, because like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: end up going to college in the city because you're traumatizing,
Speaker 1: can't go too far from home.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot, there's a lot, Maddie.
Speaker 5: I'm that then Maddie, after her experience with Olivia Benson
Speaker 5: that she then decides to also become a detective.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 1: That's what happened with another The famous episode that Marishka
Speaker 1: won the Emmy four is nine to one one where
Speaker 1: she helps this little girl and then they just had
Speaker 1: it in the last season that the little girl grew
Speaker 1: up and graduated from the Lace Academy.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 1: So see Olivia Benson like finishing school for young cops.
Speaker 2: That's what it's going to be.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It was So we were filming one episode and I
Speaker 5: think it was episode five. It ended up being AT's birthday,
Speaker 5: and so one of the days we were on set,
Speaker 5: we stopped filming and she came in with her family and.
Speaker 6: It was this really cute thing that I guess they
Speaker 6: do every.
Speaker 5: Year where they had like a I don't know, would
Speaker 5: you call it a quartet.
Speaker 6: Of bagpipe players. I don't know what was called a
Speaker 6: group of bagpipes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what their connective collective noun is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a bun they like announced her. But then
Speaker 1: they had probably a dozen real life of Olivia Benson's
Speaker 1: from the NYPD there, and they each like brought their
Speaker 1: own gift for her, and they each you know, like
Speaker 1: thanked her and had this whole speech planned and obviously
Speaker 1: by the end we were all like crying.
Speaker 5: Because those are the real heroes that are like doing
Speaker 5: the actual work to save all of the people who
Speaker 5: have experienced terrible, terrible sex crimes. But yeah, and they
Speaker 5: they gave her like an honorary NYPV jacket and wow,
Speaker 5: the flowers, and it was so so cute just to
Speaker 5: see like the impact that it has on I mean
Speaker 5: obviously on the audience, but also just like on the
Speaker 5: officers themselves. And it was all these women in positions
Speaker 5: of power and that were captains or high ranking detective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just so it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because it was a milestone birthday
Speaker 1: for her I think it was.
Speaker 5: Might.
Speaker 6: I know that every year they do throw a little
Speaker 6: party for her.
Speaker 3: But I don't imagine that they like, well, I feel
Speaker 3: like Bagpiper is unique and maybe you know last year
Speaker 3: was a drug queen.
Speaker 2: They've had a violin like I feel like through the.
Speaker 5: Yeah a mariachi band.
Speaker 2: Yeah, started with a yeah. But did she know?
Speaker 3: This was obviously a surprise, Like did she know any
Speaker 3: of these detectives or.
Speaker 2: She didn't know?
Speaker 5: I mean I assume for obviously they do something for
Speaker 5: her every yarm chirt because it's.
Speaker 6: Lurshka right, like you got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was she was very new, like she
Speaker 5: was also crying, like you could see how much she cared,
Speaker 5: which was really kind of obviously would send everyone over
Speaker 5: the edge.
Speaker 2: And we were all like, love a rank bite the en,
Speaker 2: that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're like very like thankful that like
Speaker 1: the show, even though I'm sure like a ton of
Speaker 1: it is unrealistic, Like we read all the time in
Speaker 1: the news about people that like leave evidence because they
Speaker 1: saw something on SVU or like scratch someone to try
Speaker 1: to get DNA because they saw it on SVU or
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then like what she does for like
Speaker 1: rape kit backlogs with her like nonprofit organization.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, like the awareness that
Speaker 5: it generally brings to the whole terrible topic.
Speaker 6: Right, things that happen were people? Wow?
Speaker 1: I feel like we were we just got a private
Speaker 1: invitation to that birthday party.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to hear about it.
Speaker 5: I know, right, and toldly I had been dressed better,
Speaker 5: but I was looking like a drugged.
Speaker 2: Out Were you a heroine a boy at the birthday? Yeah?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 6: What was your the pictures? Yes, it was What was it?
Speaker 1: Matthew, Matthew, Matthew, Mattie, Matthew close. In case they call
Speaker 1: you Maddie by accident, we can be like, oh his
Speaker 1: name is Matthew.
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Any any other like nuggets from the set?
Speaker 1: Did you have to interface with Iced Tea or anyone else?
Speaker 5: Fun?
Speaker 6: Says I See and Coco are so fun.
Speaker 5: They're they're actually maybe the most down to earth celebrities
Speaker 5: I've ever come in contact with.
Speaker 6: Like, they're they're just genuinely so nice.
Speaker 5: I think we ended up sitting in like the hair
Speaker 5: and makeup trailer probably like four or five times, and
Speaker 5: wed just talk for like an hour, just about like
Speaker 5: random self. Like he was moving at one point and
Speaker 5: he was just like rambling about the movers. He did
Speaker 5: just give like a rundown of the show, you know
Speaker 5: of like they have like what's called the creep team
Speaker 5: because they have to go out and like so for
Speaker 5: the like the picture of me as a sex doll
Speaker 5: that they put on the website or like there.
Speaker 6: Was one up was it the first episode where.
Speaker 5: They had a wall that was just pictures of me
Speaker 5: from the men that were docking me. So they like
Speaker 5: call that the creep team because they have to go
Speaker 5: be from the perspective of the creepy people.
Speaker 2: Of the creep team. Of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so he told me all about that, and
Speaker 5: I still.
Speaker 3: Caught up that you were just in the trailer with
Speaker 3: ice and cocoa for hours, days at a time.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just so nice. If you get him
Speaker 5: going on something, he'll he'll go. I think it also
Speaker 5: helped that some of the time I look.
Speaker 2: Like a boy.
Speaker 6: So he was just like just.
Speaker 2: Vibing with me.
Speaker 1: Pandom man maandam man listens, Sonny, let me tell you
Speaker 1: how this showler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love I love them being described as down to
Speaker 1: earth because just like them on Instagram is like Coco
Speaker 1: with like her butt out and like a g string
Speaker 1: and they're just like living a fabulous life. And then
Speaker 1: everybody's like, but they're in a down to earth.
Speaker 2: It's not like they're in the Maldives.
Speaker 3: They're in Arizona in their bathing suits, like they're not
Speaker 3: caring anywhere they're at. Like they're like at Atlantis with
Speaker 3: Damon from Shark Tank, Like those are like they're nice vacations,
Speaker 3: but they're like they are regular people in their choices
Speaker 3: somehow still because he likes on crustables.
Speaker 5: You see Coco and she's like gorgeous, you know, she's
Speaker 5: like a sports illustrated model, and so I don't really
Speaker 5: know what to expect because she's not gorgeous, you know.
Speaker 5: And then she's just sitting there talking about like oh yeah,
Speaker 5: with Chanel, we you know, like they don't really use
Speaker 5: like childcare as little as possible because they're like, well,
Speaker 5: we're giving the opportunity to like have this lifestyle feeling,
Speaker 5: so we want to take care of our kid and
Speaker 5: see our kids much versus like having someone else take
Speaker 5: her and I was like, that's so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they see everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's everywhere. So sweet, she's on stage. And
Speaker 3: you went to like a performing arts high school as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah I did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to uh Douglas standers in School of
Speaker 5: the Arts.
Speaker 6: It's the performing arts high school in Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I've been doing this for quite a while.
Speaker 5: Not that there's ay it's in Jacksonville, Florida, and not
Speaker 5: that there's a ton happening in Jacksonville, but yeah, I've
Speaker 5: been in the industry for for a bit.
Speaker 3: I'd say, what's the most theater kid thing you ever
Speaker 3: saw in college or high school?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: My god, not by can of worms.
Speaker 5: I feel like, I mean, like I went to a
Speaker 5: high school that was sometimes I think you run across
Speaker 5: theater teachers in particular that got to be a little.
Speaker 6: Full of themselves, I would say.
Speaker 5: And so I remember this is when I was in
Speaker 5: high school actually, but it was like, if you're not
Speaker 5: reading a play a day, you're wasting my time and
Speaker 5: we need to get out of my classroom. Like it
Speaker 5: was like we would have like workout Wednesdays because you
Speaker 5: had to be like where we would just spend the
Speaker 5: whole day work.
Speaker 6: Now you had to be super fit so you could
Speaker 6: dedicate your body to the work.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of that, I.
Speaker 5: Would say, and just the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, just
Speaker 5: like sacrifice everything a play a day.
Speaker 6: It was a play a day.
Speaker 3: It's like such bad advice too, because I feel the
Speaker 3: whole thing is like you need to live your life
Speaker 3: to be able to get material motivation, the emotions of things,
Speaker 3: like you know, use for your scenes.
Speaker 5: I would say most of my professional life has been
Speaker 5: sort of learning the boundaries between like I would taught
Speaker 5: to just give everything to the industry versus being like, okay,
Speaker 5: some some things are for myself, like I can go
Speaker 5: on a vacation or do things that don't necessarily that
Speaker 5: I'm not going to put on my special skills section,
Speaker 5: but just because I like to play tennis or what
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And that was hard for
Speaker 5: a while because growing up in that environment, you know,
Speaker 5: you're like, Okay, yes, I won't have any control over anything.
Speaker 5: The director's god, you know, like all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: somewhat toxic mindset and starting out like you know, fourteen,
Speaker 5: learning that takes a bit of deprogramming but it's funny
Speaker 5: because as soon as I did that, though, that's when
Speaker 5: I found it. Sess was like, oh when I became
Speaker 5: more of a fully formed person versus just like that
Speaker 5: for acting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the work life balance, baby, yeah, exactly, so.
Speaker 2: Coctic stuff anymore.
Speaker 6: Oh and the vocal res I remember.
Speaker 7: I remember being in middle school because I went to
Speaker 7: a perform our middle school too, and like the girls
Speaker 7: would carry around whiteboards the week of tech for the
Speaker 7: musicals because they were on vocal reth.
Speaker 2: You were like dwelve but like so funny.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, their steamers. They would be walking around at
Speaker 6: lunch with.
Speaker 2: It's like, You're vocal words are so new. I don't
Speaker 2: think you need to be on.
Speaker 3: Not like, yeah, tell people where they can see you,
Speaker 3: find you.
Speaker 2: What you're doing next.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were talking a little bit. I can't announce
Speaker 6: certain things yet.
Speaker 1: People can follow you on Instagram to follow your journey
Speaker 1: from Mattie Flynn and beyond.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean he really killed it as Maddie.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to you in the future.
Speaker 2: So exciting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so fun, I would say.
Speaker 5: The only other TID that I have is so the
Speaker 5: reason that because I feel like so many viewers are like,
Speaker 5: why it's this a big arc where because you've never.
Speaker 2: Really done that.
Speaker 5: At most they do like one maybe a part two,
Speaker 5: right and the gry Townson Show and our David Gratiano
Speaker 5: he wrote it originally from what I understand, don't quote me,
Speaker 5: I guess, but you wrote it as a movie, like
Speaker 5: an ask for your movie.
Speaker 6: I know it's pitched and it almost happened.
Speaker 5: But then they decided to work it into the season
Speaker 5: so to preserve it, like the uh split it up
Speaker 5: throughout the whole season.
Speaker 3: So it's essentially if you put it together, that makes
Speaker 3: a lot of sense. That's a good tid, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a really good good bed because it's the first
Speaker 1: time that like they've done things where they've gone and
Speaker 1: revisited old things, but they've never been where it's like,
Speaker 1: why will Benson not get off of this Maddie girl.
Speaker 1: It's like we've ended so many cases with people missing
Speaker 1: or not happy endings that like on the show where
Speaker 1: she's not like obsessed and uh, it was interesting. I
Speaker 1: was like some people online were trying to say they
Speaker 1: thought that it was like them wrapping it up like
Speaker 1: that Olivia Benson was going to get too invested in
Speaker 1: this one crime and then then it was going to
Speaker 1: be over. I was like, I don't think so, Like,
Speaker 1: I think the show is going to keep going on.
Speaker 5: Honestly, the whole time I thought it was my dad.
Speaker 5: I thought my dad was going to come count as
Speaker 5: a villain somehow, but he didn't. He made it through
Speaker 5: unscate well most except for family drama, small suicide.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, like I was like.
Speaker 6: Oh, he's guilty, He's got to be guilty.
Speaker 3: But yeah, wow, it just goes to show there's a
Speaker 3: twist for everybody, even the people in the episode.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 2: This has been so fun. Thank you for talking to us.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Yeah, thanks for having me. You guys are
Speaker 6: so funny.
Speaker 1: Oh man, she was fun finding out that she was
Speaker 1: the second guess. That's exactly what the words right out
Speaker 1: of my mouth. Fucking blew my mind, blew my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is so funny.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I've been shooting this ultra low budget
Speaker 3: movie and like it is just like a wild physically
Speaker 3: what you have to do or like you're just kind
Speaker 3: of like messed around with in such a funny way.
Speaker 3: And I watched this Anne Hathaway life and outfits and
Speaker 3: costumes for one of the magazine youtubes, and she's talking
Speaker 3: about how she like tried on the astronaut outfit and
Speaker 3: for Interstellar and was like, oh fuck, And then she
Speaker 3: bought a forty pound vest and then was jogging in
Speaker 3: it for months to be like. She's like you, She
Speaker 3: like everyone's nice to you and you get treated nice
Speaker 3: and people bring you beverages. But she was like, you
Speaker 3: do have to be a little gritty. And I was
Speaker 3: just liking listening to that. Yeah, I've been laying on
Speaker 3: the floor and like covered in spray paint for a
Speaker 3: while and in a coffin, and I was like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm having fun. But it is just it's it's still
Speaker 3: it's fun to think about. I don't know or like
Speaker 3: thinking about The Revenant. It is it is a gritty
Speaker 3: it's like glamorous or whatnot, but it is kind of
Speaker 3: gritty in its day to day. Yeah, and and her
Speaker 3: having to be made into a sex stall with her
Speaker 3: little eyeballs is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so crazy. No, Actually, Jared and I just shot
Speaker 1: a short last week. We would a married couple and
Speaker 1: it was a stretch are you dressed as theirselves or no,
Speaker 1: it was our own wardrobe. So this so it was
Speaker 1: basically like we're a couple. It's I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to give anything.
Speaker 3: Away about it, I guess because like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: look at all themis is kind of silly, but we
Speaker 3: are married.
Speaker 1: We use our own wardrobe and our own wedding rings. Actually,
Speaker 1: but it's just so crazy.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It's probably six minutes long, and it's a full day
Speaker 1: of work, like it was. So we were so tired afterwards,
Speaker 1: and we were like we were mostly sitting around on barstools,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, but it is like tiring.
Speaker 1: And how many people have we talked to that We were like,
Speaker 1: how long were you lying in that puddle of blood for?
Speaker 1: And they're like hours, Like when we were talking to
Speaker 1: Anthony Rapp and he was like, yeah, Christopher Maloney like
Speaker 1: let me lie in blood for hours.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: But I'm usually annoyed when people talk about it, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's not that bad, but it is, it's like
Speaker 3: more annoying. And the way Anne Hathaway talks about it,
Speaker 3: I just liked more than anyone else. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 3: Shade to our guests. I guess that was rid of me,
Speaker 3: but well, you just have to be a little bit, yeah, can't.
Speaker 2: She just was cute. She's just such a theater kid.
Speaker 2: I guess Anthony rap is too. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I just really love Anne Hathaway and I
Speaker 3: love that she so many people are dressing like the
Speaker 3: Princess Diaries.
Speaker 2: It's coming back.
Speaker 3: You know, people hated her for a while, and I
Speaker 3: think she's all blast beloved again.
Speaker 1: She has had one of the biggest rebounds in terms
Speaker 1: of image.
Speaker 3: Well no, no, you're we're in the era of Lindsay
Speaker 3: Lohan two point oh yes.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you can even fucking say.
Speaker 1: True, But I'm talking about like Lindsay Lohan kind of
Speaker 1: earned it a little bit, like she was a wild
Speaker 1: party animal like Anne Hathaway was. Just no one liked her.
Speaker 1: They just didn't like her. She didn't really do anything wrong.
Speaker 1: Everybody was just like speech. It was just like one
Speaker 1: speech and everyone was pissed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but she talks about that Oscar outfit on this
Speaker 3: Vogue thing.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, I guess I just mean, like for
Speaker 1: people to just wildly dislike her for very little and
Speaker 1: now everybody loves her.
Speaker 2: It was just like a big pendulum swing.
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan to me has actually had like some tumultuous
Speaker 1: personality things go like personal life stuff go on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well do you remember that Anne Hathaway also
Speaker 3: was like raw, like her ex was a criminal. Yeah,
Speaker 3: her ex was like a fraudulent maniac and like something.
Speaker 3: You know, So I think it was during that time too,
Speaker 3: or that doesn't coming back to me because she was
Speaker 3: like a lot happened during this time and I don't
Speaker 3: want to get into it and it can't just be
Speaker 3: like people didn't like you, and I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 3: could have been the fraudulent era as well. We're just
Speaker 3: lucky to have her, Kirsten Dunce, We just like really
Speaker 3: have some great girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got some good girlies.
Speaker 1: We've been when we've had them for a long time
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have them for a lot longer. But
Speaker 1: what is our I mean, our post mortem? Obviously this
Speaker 1: is just the first episode of this arc, Like there's
Speaker 1: obviously more Maddie going on after this episode, but it
Speaker 1: definitely made a lot of sense that she explained to
Speaker 1: us that it was like supposed to be a movie
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, because a lot of times you
Speaker 1: were like, why are they so white? Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Benson's in and out twenty five seasons, day and day
Speaker 1: out seas the most horrible shit ever, and and it
Speaker 1: doesn't always like stick with her and like she could
Speaker 1: not stop with the Maddie And I'm glad we kind
Speaker 1: of got to the bottom of that.
Speaker 3: But well, I think it's also because she let her go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you drove by her on the street. It's kind
Speaker 3: of wild, like now learnt to follow your wild moment.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Barbarian is crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, I cannot wait to lay in bed tonight and
Speaker 3: read all the articles that came out what a year
Speaker 3: and a half ago. But seriously, you know, things come
Speaker 3: to you when they can. I was finally brave enough.
Speaker 3: I've been watching so many horror things lately that I
Speaker 3: finally got brave enough. Yeah, you really had like a spooktober.
Speaker 3: You really like went for it with a lot of
Speaker 3: these horror movies.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I yeah, yeah, I'm in the spirit.
Speaker 3: I'm in the spirit. Well, see when it shifts. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm excited for Christmas as well, Jared just told me.
Speaker 3: He goes, I have a thriller for us to watch
Speaker 3: that I think you would like. I go, okay, he goes,
Speaker 3: First of all, it's Dutch. I go, ah, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, Dutch. You're losing me.
Speaker 2: I will watch foreign films, but Dutch. I don't know. Sorry,
Speaker 2: no offense to my Dutch because of the down the
Speaker 2: language or what. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's it's kind of like a German
Speaker 1: sounding language. I don't know, it's like not but I'll
Speaker 1: probably watch it and get used to it.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Let's move on to what would sister peg do?
Speaker 3: I am a justin long fanatic, like I am, It's
Speaker 3: it's I am. I've I finally is he still going?
Speaker 3: Is he still with Kate Bosworth? Yeah, they're engaged. Just
Speaker 3: you also Sean White, you know, I went through that
Speaker 3: snowboarding moment.
Speaker 2: He is engaged to Nina Dobrave.
Speaker 1: Okay, Princess Vampire Diaries. Yeah, finally they're finally engaged. They've
Speaker 1: been together a long time and I follow their relationship.
Speaker 3: They're they're both like Daredevil's They're always just kind of
Speaker 3: doing something fun and wild in the nature.
Speaker 1: And she used to go out with s v alum
Speaker 1: Ian smolderholder as you call him. Yeah, okay, let's get
Speaker 1: into what would Sister Peg do? Our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we direct you guys towards an organization, an article, a book,
Speaker 1: a documentary, something to give you more info about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today and today this week we wanted
Speaker 1: to point you to towards the Polaris Project. Polaris Project
Speaker 1: is a survivor center, justice and equity driven movement and
Speaker 1: human trafficking. They operate the US National Human Trafficking Hotline,
Speaker 1: connecting victims and survivors to support and services and helping
Speaker 1: communities hold traffickers accountable. They have also built the largest
Speaker 1: known data set on human trafficking in North America. And yeah,
Speaker 1: with everything that Maddie goes through in this arc, I
Speaker 1: figured this was a good organization to talk about how victims,
Speaker 1: you know, move past this trauma. And for more information
Speaker 1: and to donate, go to Polarisprojects dot org. That will
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Speaker 2: Amazing, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: It's a fucked world out there, and we will be
Speaker 3: doing Guilt from season three, episode A eighteen classic, A
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Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Oh and someone that I met on the road said
Speaker 3: that they missed the way I said Peacock, so shout
Speaker 3: out and I can. I'll bring up Peacock more often.
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