WEBVTT - Tunnel Blind w/ Allison Elaine 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:05.560 Hi guys, it is post election. Kara here to just 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.680 give you a little note that we recorded this episode 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.400 before the election. Obviously we were in the time machine 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.120 and so it does not reflect our feelings tonally of 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:16.800 how things went. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:18.280 That's it. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.480 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.279 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.160 vicious felonies. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.720 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:46.560 Done done, yay. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.120 Another episode of that Smessed Up an Sview podcast. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:54.080 My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and you 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.280 know we talk about an sview episode, a true crime, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.400 and we interview somebody from the episode. But first we chat, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.880 we catch up. We've been doing things, but you've been busy. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:06.959 What's been going on? 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.160 Well? 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.039 I do have uh, well, I have a lot of 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.880 Halloween stuff I guess written out okay, I thought. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:14.959 But. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.800 Well, and we you know, we wanted to give a 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.319 shout out to everyone that wore costumes came to our 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.679 live show. It was fun. I guess we'll start there. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.760 Loved it. That was like a dream. In San Francisco. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.320 Someone was like a moving Scott fully killing. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.600 A woman with a hammer. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.760 In a TV screen with a DVD player and then 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.280 with Casey Novak and the or no Sonya Paxton and 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:44.880 the DVD. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.160 Yeah, it was amazing. We had mixing up the wigs. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.640 In my mind, we had an Amelia Chase in San Diego, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.200 which was Diane's character. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.320 We just covered that episode recently. We had it. It 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.400 had like in la it. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.280 Had like makeup on on the rope and the rope 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:10.960 burn from her sexual sadism exactly detail Sokky Little Murderer. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.919 Yeah, it was amazing. And then and in Denver a 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.639 couple of people were us like it was. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.080 It was. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.639 It was really cute. I've that's never happened to me 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.760 before anyone stressed up as me for Halloween. So I 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.360 really loved that. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.760 No, I loved it, and I thought there'd be more 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.160 Chimp Crazy costumes out in the wild. But what I 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.480 noticed is the top costumes in terms of my feed, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.760 what I've been seeing is ray Gun the breakdancer from Australia, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.720 and a lot of Lana del Rey and an alligator guy. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:42.040 See. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.760 I saw at least two or three amazing chimp Lady 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:46.480 Chimp Crazy. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.399 Cos I just thought there'd be more. I did see 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.440 a few. I did love them. I just thought there 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.280 it would be chimp crazy all over town and it wasn't. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.880 But I guess Lebron just wore the scream mask. And 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.040 someone wrote that he just keeps being such millennial, and 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.959 I really enjoyed that kind of post. I do want 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.920 to tell you my vibe at the moment, if I 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.840 have to be honest. I finished, so I landed from 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.120 a flight, and then my place. You know how you're 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.560 supposed to clean before you came home. I did the opposite, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.360 and so I just started like cleaning, and you know, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.760 it's still spooky season in my heart. I just finished 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:24.720 Barbarian maybe seventeen minutes ago. Oh my god, like I 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.040 truly am. It's so good. I can't believe a man 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.600 wrote and directed it. I am shocked. Wow, I am 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:33.960 shocked that a man made that. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.720 I'm glad you liked it. Wow. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.040 I liked it. But it was scary. But it's right 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.920 up our app well. I mean, yeah, I'm shocked that 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.520 you watched. Honest, you can watch the substance if you 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.800 could watch Barbarians. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:47.720 I know that much. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.280 It in a movie where Jared came home and I 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.400 go tell me what happens, like I go, tell me 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.400 the whole plot, and he walked me through the whole 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:59.640 movie like ruined style, and I so I know what happens, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.840 but I obviously can't watch it. But then I also 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.760 since I last saw you went to the Ruined live 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.960 show in LA that was the Substance, So I do 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.360 know what happens in the Substance, and I have questions, Okay, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.000 I like this all right, but I don't know isick 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:15.880 are we going to ruin it? 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.680 If I ask, well, people can fast forward. You can 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.360 fast forward thirty seconds at a time, or word fast 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.240 forward fast forward. But I went to if you don't 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:22.760 know Ruined. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.200 It's a podcast that like our friends, we've shouted it 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.080 out on this podcast before. It's like Halle Keefer and 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.080 Alison Liby. Halle does the research and like reads everything, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.799 watches the movie and recaps the entire thing for Alison, 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.920 who's like the me and too scaredy cat to watch 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:37.719 a horror movie. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.120 So I went to go to the live show of 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.400 the Substance. It was really fun. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.440 They had like funny little slides and I guess, like 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.440 what I don't understand? And I was with my friend, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.960 and I was also talking to this with Alison afterwards, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.360 like I don't get why Demean Moore takes it, like 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.080 in like what is she. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:56.880 Getting out of it? 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.320 Like if it was if if yeah, if Margaret Qually 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.560 was young to me more and it was like, oh, 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.960 she just like a younger version of herself was born 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.320 to like carry on her legacy so she can keep 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.480 being famous. I would almost understand that, But Sue's her 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.679 own person, so I'm kind of not understanding what Deman 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.719 was getting out of it because it seems like she 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.640 spent seven days eating. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.640 And being miserable, so she wouldn't because her big thing 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.440 is like she wants fame and attention and needs the 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.440 validation of the people around her, so like she can't 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.840 go into secret. The whole thing with death becomes her 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.520 is then you have to disappear, Like she can't just 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.960 pop out as a younger version of herself, right continue. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.520 But also I think it's a twisted thing and she 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.080 didn't know exactly what was going to happen going into it. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.200 It's like, right, you're a per you know, and then 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.600 you get a dick. She you know, she liked that, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.480 but also parts of her are deteriorating, so she hated 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.320 her face normally like any part of deterioration. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.000 I think she didn't. She didn't want to be seen. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.200 Like yeah, made herself so gross for just the feeling 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.800 of because she is they are one one or the other, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.360 like part of the substance, like the saying that makes 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.520 you behave is like you need to treat both parts correct. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.440 It's seven days on, seven days off, but like you 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.760 are one and one without the other. So that's why 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.359 you can't do less or more time. But it's so 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.960 addictive that the young one is always doing too right. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:27.599 I guess I was. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.880 I'm using and using and using the olds, and again 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:33.880 it's like I didn't see it. It was explains me, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.240 So I don't know. But like I guess I wasn't 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.479 understanding that they were like adjoined consciousness as much. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.559 I just thought they were like separate people. And I'm 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.680 not like she getting out of it because when she 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:49.880 wakes up, it's like she doesn't know what like they're 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:50.760 gonna wake up to. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.840 Because like the nurse that goes, you're a perfect candidate, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.440 like why why are why are you spreading the substance? 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.880 Why like, what's the point. Well, that's what's fucked. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.000 But because I was thinking about that, and what I 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.560 kind of uh figured out is he doesn't say this 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.719 is great. He said this changed my life and it 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.040 did change his life. But it's a little evil. Yeah, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.040 And then I saw there a theory that like he's 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:15.760 in charge, but it's evil. I mean that scene in 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.840 the coffee shop is groundbreaking, like it is so cool 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.360 to see that's that, but like. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:26.360 The eyes right like she yeah, yeah, wow, maybe I 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.280 don't know. Once it was described to me, I was 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.120 like this, I think I don't think I could see 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.000 it because it seemed like so goryous. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.320 Yeah, I guess yeah, answering the questions, I don't know 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.800 if that was satisfying to you. Still not have seen it, 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.680 but it like did it made sense watching it to me? 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.040 Yeah? I think that's the thing. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.720 I think it would make more sense watching it because 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.680 like Allison was described it too, and she was also 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.560 kind of like, yeah, I don't really know why she's 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.000 doing it, and like why this guy is like is 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.320 like out there telling people also to do it because 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.880 he's not even his young guy becomes a male nurse. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.880 He doesn't even get to be like a celebrity. That's 0:07:59.920 --> 0:08:00.600 like running a. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:07.680 You know, like yes, but I feel so yeah, but 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:08.880 I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.400 Yeah, anyway, that was fun. It was fun though. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.120 It was fun to go to that and see a 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.680 little a little I mean, nursing can be his passion. Sure, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.880 I just didn't really get why he was spreading the 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.720 word why are you proselytizing the old substance? 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.000 It's fucked up. It's crazy, it is a fucked up thing. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:35.840 And yeah, saying the time, maybe he wasn't being as abused, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.880 but he probably knew it's really it's really cool. But 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.520 Barbarian just pretty much shocked me. I was so scared. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.800 I deposit a few times and put on drag Race 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.240 and I was just like walking. I was like hanging 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.360 up dresses coming back being terrified. But it's like so 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.720 many twists and turns. I would say, it kept not 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.760 being what I thought it was being. It was really fun, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.559 but I just can't believe a man and made that. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.160 I am like beyond how Speaking of drag Race, I 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.559 wrote a little bit more for drag Race this week. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.959 So and is this the same season or is this 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.960 already another season. It's for the coming up season. It's 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.520 for eighteen. Well I know, but it's the same that 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.160 you were doing it towards the beginning. No, no, no, sorry, 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.000 the one that they haven't even shot. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.880 one that they haven't even shot. No, the one for 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:30.640 coming up for that's seventeen. I guess those girls stay working. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.320 Oh so I forgot who I was with. I've had 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.080 a busy few weeks. But someone was shocked that Iced 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.360 Tea is in Law and Order SVU. Like they had 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.040 no idea. They're like, isn't he a rapper And we're 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.480 like yeah, but he's now like the longest running actor 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.400 on a drama. Like I don't know what to tell you. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.520 And they're like what and I'm like, yeah, you know, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.960 he plays the cop. His name's Odafin Tutula. And then 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.120 the person went excuse me, and I actually, I guess 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.560 didn't realize that it is a wild name that none 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.720 of us have ever really questioned it is. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.360 She was like, you, I've never thought that was weird. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.600 I go no, we just accepted it, like I never 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.439 it was Odafin Tutuola. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.440 And that was that, Like it is so funky. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.760 It's a fine They Yeah, they do talk about his 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.840 last name at some point, like I think it's Nigerian 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.480 or something, because someone else recognizes his last name and 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:17.880 is like. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.840 Oh yeah, at some point I remember that. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.840 Yeah, But like that is wild for nobody to have, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.880 like ever seen a nice tea meme or like anything. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.760 I feel like he's out there. We know him from 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.280 this show. Even if you were casual. You've seen two episodes. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:35.280 You know, iced teas in it. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.960 You know, some people are just like not watching procedurals 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.280 at all. I don't know. It's like, but I know 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.000 things I don't know I have. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.839 Yeah, it was shocking, but then I was shocked that 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.160 I had never questioned it. But I also so, I 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.160 was in Houston this weekend doing shows. Thanks to everyone 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.840 that came, but it was so wild. So the first 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.920 show through crowd work or threw a joke and then 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.680 it happened in real life at the show. But someone 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.240 did have an orgy the night before, and I did 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.360 see photos of. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.760 The orgy at photos. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.560 Yeah, But then later I said to someone gay, I 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.280 was like, yeah, I was like a ten person orgy, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.160 and they're like, oh, that's it, and then when I 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.960 told a straight person, they were like ten people and 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.240 it was like it happened within hours of each other. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.280 So it was pretty exciting. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:32.320 Then the early show Saturday, a giant man started screaming 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.480 and fighting in the middle. Well, first he was moaning 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.840 and then causing all these problems and he had to leave. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.800 Like it was wild. He was so loud. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.000 But I was like, I'll probably post that on the internet. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.719 I'll be honest, but it was a commotion. And then 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.040 the last show there was a guy who was forty 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.280 years sober and something happened. The sun pointed to the 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.520 wrong thing and he did sip alcohol and he was upset. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.720 Oh no, like a like a drink swap or something 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:00.640 like something bad. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.560 Yeah, well because I saw him walk out with the 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.280 margarita shaker, like you know, a souvenir style cup, and 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.000 so then I when he came back without it, I go, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.559 where'd your little shaker go? And he goes, I've been 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.599 forty years sober and they gave me a shaker, and 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.880 it's like, well you should have known with the shaker. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.960 But it was fucked. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.040 I did feel kind of sad for him, So that's 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:26.840 like my Houston, Rundown. I am curious how the Halloween 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.520 went in your neighborhood. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.200 Oh my god, the costumes, that was the parades. Oh 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:33.680 my god. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.880 Well the parade was drama, but the why because of 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.120 the pta, well not really like. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.520 This like one dad popped off because like, okay, you 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.280 went to it last year, right, Yeah, So this year 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.120 was eight in the eight thirty in the morning, which 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.920 is better because it's too hot, Like it was like 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.560 by one thirty it's boiling hot. So the kids like 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.000 go around the track class by class, and they were 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.960 going around twice and it was taking forever. Like it 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.120 was just like each class going around twice, and the 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:05.760 parents were all like, we're all. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.040 Joking to each other, going, Jesus Christ, this is going 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.439 on twice. We're gonna be out of here. We're not 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:10.360 never gonna be out of here. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.720 We're all like we're all like laughing about it, like 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.120 but like talking shit quiet under our breaths and like 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.680 not not in a real way. And then this one 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.800 dad was just like, well, I tried to go talk 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.880 to the principle and she said this wasn't the time. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.960 And I was like, oh my god. I just started 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.720 to walk away. I was like, this guy's too heated 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.840 for me. And then he called a bunch of the 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.240 parents cowards and pussies and walked away. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.920 I wasn't, so he was mad that they walked twice too. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.160 He was mad that it was taking so long. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.200 He thought it was incompetence, and he went to go 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.920 talk to the Principle, and the principles in the middle 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.320 of m seeing the event, she's not going to be like, okay, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.480 let me stop down and talk to you about how 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.400 to change it. So she didn't, and he was furious. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.240 You know, I know this man and I know how 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.400 he yets, so I just like walked away. Then I 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.839 heard him say cowards and pussies and I went, oh 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.680 my god. So then he had to leave. It was 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.439 like the most dramatic Halloween. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.600 Of all time. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.000 Everybody's like, what the hell because he swore at the Principle. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.440 You went up to the Principle, it was like, we're 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.360 gonna be here for fucking hours. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.680 Like and like you can't. There's kids around, like it 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:15.400 was crazy. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.320 So then that was like we're all like chatting ab 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.240 everyone's texting me all day about that. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.240 Then the night was fun. Well, you know what I 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.400 found out about. Not a school I know, but not 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.840 a person I know. But I do now know of 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.120 a person that is a teacher that got sent home 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.920 because their costume was too slutty. Oh no, what costume 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.240 we taught seventh grade and I guess it was like 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.440 a sexy Cinderella or something like that. And she was 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:49.520 like she was sent home. Wow, that's scott ating. Wow Okay, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.680 But then like the night was fun. We went to 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.880 our friend's house that lives in the neighborhood and I 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.720 had my like roadie of wine and the kids had 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:58.240 a blast. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.040 Like it was kind of Oscar's first year of like 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.680 he trick or treated last year, but this year he 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.720 was like so into it and like really got it. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.600 And they stayed up late. They got a lot of candy. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.840 They loved it. It was great. There was like one fireman. No, like, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:12.960 I didn't go to this one house because it was 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.720 like up a big hill and the kids were all 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.440 going together and we were like just go. We were 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.480 at the bottom of the driveway and when they came down, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.120 Rosie was like, there was a really scary thing up there, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:22.800 like a guy like that looked like he was on 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.400 fire and I was like sorry, like and that was it. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.400 That was it in terms of trauma. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.120 But yeah, oh I bought something online and then someone 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.760 that worked at the club in Houston did this. It's 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.720 an idea to do with your Halloween candy. You chop 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.800 it all up and then you bake Halloween cookies with 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:41.880 the chocolate. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.520 You have in the candy. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.400 Oh and this bit like everything melts. You have like 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.720 the TwixT caramel in this cookie, a Snickers and Monette. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.760 I mean, it was so good. The Internet's magical. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.040 We just went through it last night and took out 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.520 all the like sour too chewy like stuff that they 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.760 don't want, so I'll be giving that away probably on 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.600 the buy nothing group. And then and then there's so 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.440 much like I don't I got to give some of 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.120 it away. It's like it's so much fucking candy. It's 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.800 gonna last theme for like two years. But they got 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.000 They just went to ice skating today and got more candy. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.760 It's like November third, like we got a the candy 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:15.800 train has to stop. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.640 Well now it's a sale, so it's kind of a thrill, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.880 right right. But we had a blast. It was fun. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.720 It was a fun little Halloween. I was gonna go 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.840 see our friend, but I didn't want to drive. I 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.640 stayed in our neighborhood and it was great. We never 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:28.240 got in a car. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:28.880 It was nice. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.560 Yeah, go to did go to her old house. Did 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.000 go to her old house where we spent a lot 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.400 of time in the pandemic. But because my new my 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.000 other friend lives there now, so I did spend some 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.640 time there on Halloween, which was wild. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.360 But uh yeah. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.720 I also want to give a shout out to Jason 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:47.520 Kelsey defending his family. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.920 Have you seen this? No? No, no, tell me what happened. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.200 So they're in I guess they're in Pens at Penn State, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:58.320 and they're known as being dicks, but some students and hoodies. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.800 He had his phone out and was just like taunting 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.720 Jason and then finally said, how does it feel that 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.439 your brother is a F word? Because he's dating Taylor 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.800 Swift and so Jason, while holding like a twelve pack 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.439 of beer and then an open beer as well on 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.159 top of it, just went over, slammed his phone on 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.400 the ground, picked it up, and walked off. And it 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:22.720 was cool and I watched it. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.920 Oh wait, now I'm like I saw that really quickly, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.159 like scroll by me on Instagram and was like, I'm 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.919 sure Leasa will fill me in, but like, what are 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.680 people but to fuck with someone that's that physically strong 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.800 is also just so weird you think you're. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.880 Just like I don't know. Oh my god, I keep 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.480 thinking about Barbarian and just so long. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.000 Was so good. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.560 It was all so good and smart and amazing and 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:46.480 I can't believe it. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.160 And our friend kurb Brown. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.040 Oler, isn't it. Yes, Oh my god, that was so exciting. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.920 I should message him. That was like a thrill. He's 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.480 so funny. Oh my god, that was so cool that. Yeah, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:02.239 I forgot spooky, spooky. Smart men are so bad. I 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:07.120 just like subtle, obvious. They just handled the difference between 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:08.880 men and women so smart. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:09.600 It's so good. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.879 Now that I know the full peak of horror, I 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.200 can maybe watch it again more relaxed, but maybe it's 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.000 like it follows and I can never watch it again. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:17.800 Like I don't know. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:24.640 Who's to say, but all right, well guys, oh oh yeah, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.359 it started right, yeah, And I mean, okay, people are 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.639 so thoughtful on the road and everywhere we go, and 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.520 we do have to shout out that we in Portland 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.600 each got a box of treasures that was like myself 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.320 personalized and cool, and all the magnets are on my fridge. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.320 They're there. So I just wanted to. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.000 Say, every magnet for my little movie, Yeah, all the 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.159 film personal This person made us a gift box of 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.720 like every movie we've mentioned on the podcast. Like I 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.720 have a magnet of the movie Stella that I just 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.000 talked about with Bette Midler that's like a huge part 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.040 of my life with my sister her that it's not 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.439 a popular movie, and now I have a magnet of it, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:09.679 The Chipmunk Adventure, Fucking Clifford, the movie where where Martin 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.080 Short is like a creepy little kid, Like so many 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.879 of my favorite movies. This person just made us a 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.360 box of the most amazing stuff, pins, stickers, magnets. It's 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.520 so fucking great. I'm obsessed. She'd be seen and understood. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.600 You know, it's like, oh my god, you're really listening, guys. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.359 She kept going, it's a sickness. It's a sickness. I 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.600 make these I make these gifts. It's a sick I'm like, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.480 it's the best say she should if she does this, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.080 I mean, if you. Yeah, but I guess she would 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:37.679 have to know you. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.960 I mean, it's just it was so top tier, incredible 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:42.600 and specific. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.920 It would be an amazing business to be like here 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.119 from how do you specific? 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.199 And then you source it like yeah, I don't know, 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.080 like just because I don't have the time to Like. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.960 She also but she also has the skill of like 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.560 listening and connecting and doing not everyone's brains work. 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:57.919 Like that too. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.399 Yes, absolutely, you might someone someone's favorite stuff and they 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.920 might not know, right, but. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.840 Huge shout out, huge shout out. And I met a. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:12.800 Really cutie couple in Houston, Sabrina Kale, what's up? 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.000 A lot of people listen. It's like, who do I choose? 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:19.320 You know? 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.680 But yeah, it was fun. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.080 It was so fun to see all of you guys 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.280 on our dates and keep and go to Lisa's go 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.360 to That's Messed Up live dot com and scroll down 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.919 to Lisa's website and that takes you to her links 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.560 of all the shows she's doing for the rest of 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.120 the year and probably into the fall. And uh yeah, 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.520 you can also on that same website you can see 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:40.480 our promo codes. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:41.840 You can buy merch. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.679 Oh I should announce we've got a Christmas ornament in 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.320 the shop. Everybody in the shops ornament in the shop. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.080 So get over there and get your little hope you 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.880 have a messed up holiday. Hope your holidays are messed up. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:02.360 Christmas ornament from us, it will be will look like holiday, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.640 your Christmas tree wherever. All right, let's get started. We've 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:07.440 got a good one for you. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:17.040 Okay, we are doing tunnel Blind, season twenty five, Episode one. Okay, cool, cool, cool. 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.199 So we are in studios. That's exciting. Yeah, you have 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.720 a full fat can of coke. I have a diet coke. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.040 Cheers, our classic, our classic Yin and Yang. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of our biggest fights, I would say. Yes, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.440 you guys have heard her many times bring up that. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.159 Basically the worst thing I've ever done. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.120 To her was ask I didn't know if you want 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.240 to diet or regular, And truly just the biggest brain 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:39.919 part of my life because. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.920 I've never seen her drink a regular cocus. That was 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.760 like so much of my personality. But we're in the studio, 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:50.359 so that's really exciting. And I was peing and I 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.000 was like, I don't even know what episode, Like, I 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.320 know it's tunnel Blind, but it could be anything. 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:56.280 I was like, is it the air? 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.119 Like I was just like, I truly was sitting there, 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.320 like there's a lot of episodes swirling around our heads, right, 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.320 And then once I read season twenty five, episode one, 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.480 I knew exactly where I was. Yeah, baby, it's the 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.520 season premiere, milestone, quarter life crisis. Yeah, I think, a 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.399 great time to be alive twenty five. Yeah, I had 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.320 a great time in twenty five. I don't know what 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:16.720 was going on, but I was loving it. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:17.760 Yeah. 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.239 Yeah, yeah, So it's Benson through the years. It's a 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.080 really kind of an ode to Benson, every hairdoo, every 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.760 nice little outfit and inspiring voiceover that I'll be honest, 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.120 I didn't really pay attention to you. I mean, she's 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.840 just saying, there's these moments with the victims that make 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.840 you realize why you do it. It's very yeah, brave, deaf. 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.160 And then there's one in the professional hat outfit. And 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.120 finally it's her in the final present moment and she's 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.800 holding Chrisian Rollins's baby. It's a baptism. Ah, she's a godmother. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.720 The godfather's obviously trying to fuck her, and that is 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.600 a you know, a tale as old as time, and 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.840 the little baby is cute and Benson is sweetie. 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:02.120 And we cut to. 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.840 A store and it's a different cute family and they're 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:10.440 getting along. They're walking past TV's kids suitcases. They're making jokes. 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.560 The dad's on the car, the mom's holding her baby 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.440 girl and by baby girl, I do mean a teen. 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.840 She's a teen but she is I don't know. She's 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:19.960 texting on her pink phone. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.840 She needs to get some paint, and we hear the 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.480 dad go, you saw this right. Her and the dad 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.159 go to the paints right, remember he didn't use it 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.000 later and it's like it drives me insane. 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.040 Oh he's a fucking piece of shit. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.280 Not really, but yeah, like okay, so anyways, it's just 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.639 like classic. But so she goes, great, i'll meet you 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.000 at the register. The mom goes off, the daughter and 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.960 the dad go to the paints. Mom says, divide and conquer. 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.200 So now we're back and the godfather is still trying 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:48.520 to fuck Benson and she's. 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:49.639 Like no, and. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.639 He won't leave her alone and he also it's not 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.119 even fuck like he wants to marry her. Yeah, and 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:57.960 she goes, you might as well put your heart in 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:58.639 a wood chipper. 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.639 It's a while Benson moment. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.600 Because I'm like, I don't really think of Benson as 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.320 the kind of person that like choose people up and 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.720 spits them out. I just feel like she can't focus 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.879 on love because she's been in love with one person 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.879 for a long time. Maybe, But also, yeah, it's not 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.720 like when she was with Dean Winters. Why am I 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.320 blanking on his fucking name on the show? You know, 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.040 Mayhem Cassidy. When she was with Cassidy, it wasn't like 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.199 she fucking took his how hard, un stopped on it. 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.000 He forehead kissed her at the end. You know, it 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.480 was like they broke up. He broke up. 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.520 He betrayed her with with I A b and her 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.119 son and telling her what are you kidding? 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:37.800 He's a monster. 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.760 I know, but I'm just saying, like, but I love 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.000 him and he is the hottest, and I think he's 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:42.640 the one for her. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.880 I just like, don't I don't get why she is saying, 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.480 uh that she's this like man eater. 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:50.919 I don't know. 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.359 It's just like it was like it bothered me. I 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.239 was like, give yourself a little fucking credit. You've just 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:56.959 you're been busy saving fucking lives. 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.400 Yeah, but so Crasy goes over and goes, oh, you're 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:01.160 talking to my cousin. 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.280 I love it, and she goes, shut the fuck up. 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.080 I don't want to fuck your cousin. Oh so, Chrissy, 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.080 are you a dumb look at this? This guy's just 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:12.280 not Benson's type. Yeah, she needs like. 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:17.320 A chill, rich dude who's hot, Like, are we forgetting 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:24.800 she's hot? Finn's there, Finn and Benson are having red wine. 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.760 Chrisy's having a beer and Fann and this is so cute. 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.359 He begs to hold the baby. He's in a gray 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.159 plaid suit and I love him holding this baby, and 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.600 Benson's like, okay, uncle. Finn and Chrisy and Rollins go 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.359 off to have a private moment and they're having parent chats. 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.080 They smile, they're kissing. The cousin still wants to talk 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.800 to Benson. I mean I can't. He's like, what's that 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.240 compass necklace? And the letters are all wrong? And then 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.399 I am embarrassed for her to own this necklace. But 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.560 Jay is for joy, See is for compassion, and Ella's 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.240 for love and I want to know the fourth letter 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:56.439 and they don't talk about it. 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.040 And I think that's pretty fucked up. I think stayble 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:00.360 dave it to her. He did. 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.879 It's just like so bad, and obviously I want to 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:05.920 know the fourth letter. 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.120 It's literally the jewelry version of like live laugh Love 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.920 written on driftwood in your Home, Joy Come Back. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.840 But the thing is Benson wants Benson loves this. This 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.640 is a thing. Yeah, like from Marishka. My sad thing 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:21.600 is that her first date with her husband was at church. Yeah, 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.000 that's always really hard for me. And then it's the 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.160 you know she is a live laugh love girl. 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:31.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's one of those live laugh love girl. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.080 She's a copy. Oh she's shopping it like you know, 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.840 and then like she's just I don't. 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:39.240 But then she knows La Perla, she knows like she's 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.439 always like those Proda boots, Like doesn't she say you 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.240 owe me another pair of Prada boots after the guy 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.639 licks us to like lick her boots in that amazing scene. 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.240 So Benson buys designer when she I think of Benson 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:55.200 is probably having a very curated, small wardrobe where everything's 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.000 like pretty expensive but it doesn't have a lot and yeah, 0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.160 like a capsule wardrobe. 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.480 Yeah yeah, but why do you think and then now 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.359 go in to the fearless or is that Marishka I 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:09.080 think you like, I don't think you have to have 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.880 something to fall on because like because she doesn't have church, 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.800 and like this is like Marishka's church, this like believe 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:19.600 in yourself, compassion joy like, like because if she stopped 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.200 to think about really what her life is like and 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.480 every day she would not. 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:27.399 Be she would sink. You know, I didn't know, but 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:28.840 I guess. I guess she needs. 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.040 Just what she sees day in and day out. I'm 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:32.879 not saying her life is pathetic or anything. I'm just 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.560 saying what she sees day in and day out, what 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.800 she's gone through, like what she's personally been through, like 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:43.600 held hostage multiple times, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:44.680 She's wistful, she's looking for love. 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.919 She's watching Christie and Rollins make out at the register 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:49.920 and mom and dad meet up. Maddie is not there, 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.920 that is the daughter and the Dad's like I thought 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.920 she went with you. 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.800 No, we saw it. We saw it. You're not gaslighting 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:57.359 your way out of it. 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.240 Yes, we can rewind the you walked off with your 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.560 fucking daughter to the paints. So he's on the phone casual. 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.720 The mom is flipping out. She walks past the paints. 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.480 There's a green residue broken glass on the floor. We 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.959 cut to Noah and Benson driving from the baby shower 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:12.159 and they. 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:13.960 Love the coreasy baby. 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.080 It's right out of the tunnel, and Noah keeps yammering 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.320 on and I feel like you might relate to this life, 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.520 but it's just like, shut the fuck up. They never stop. 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.880 They never stop talking. They never stop talking. I seeyammer 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.520 city and then sometimes I just have to go, We're 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.879 just gonna have to have a quiet moment in the car. 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:32.320 We have to. 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.600 It's gonna be quiet for the next minute. And they 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.879 don't listen to that either. It's a lot of chatting. 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.600 I mean, you need to get a partition. 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.160 Like a limo driver. 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.120 He just just keeps talking. At the red light. Though 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:46.800 she's staring at a. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:47.200 Girl in a van. 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.000 She feels worried for her. She looks out of it. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.320 This girl she has a tailor swift beaded bracelet. We 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.040 see from the distance or I just know this, okay. 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.920 So she watches as a man drives in a big, 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:03.280 colorful van, decorated people honking. Noah's asking for pizza. So 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.760 we're back at the parents. They're fighting outside looking for 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.720 the daughter. The dad's like, oh, maybe she just like 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.000 left and took the quick ride and the mom's. 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.080 Like, why would that do that? Same? Why would she 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.959 do this? Hop it an uber? Bye? What is? Oh 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.000 you knew what a quick ride was? Yeah, that's what 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.200 they call uber on this show. 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.800 I don't think I ever caught on to that, And 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:20.760 I was like, what the fuck? 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.920 Yeah, it's like uber, But like that would be so insane. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.320 You're shopping with your parents and you just hop in 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.800 an uber and say nothing. That would be the wildest move. 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:29.880 Oh God. 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.840 So he's like, oh, I'll call her. She's like, yeah, no, 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.240 I have you know the g and the GPS is 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:35.720 turned off. The cops are on the way, and the 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:37.880 dad's like you called the cops and it's like, will 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:38.680 you just shut up? 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.000 All the GPS is turned off? Like that's an immediate 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.000 Like what the fuck? 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.880 I mean? This dad? I hate him? So the yellow 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:46.400 tape is up. 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.280 We have Octavia of Velesco and we're talking to workers 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.760 Benson and Finner on the scene. Maddie Flynn, fifteen. She's 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.720 been gone an hour. They did find a gun in 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.720 the bathroom, not good, could be connected or a loose 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.600 other gun. The parents were fighting, so they're separated. The 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.880 mom is pleading with Benson, like please find my daughter, 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.640 and the dad is de lulu. She's like, he's like, 0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.080 you know, I have a Metro card. Maybe she's just 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.120 like left and got on the train. Still this thing, 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.640 and I just I don't get it. 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.320 Yeah, she wandered away from the store, got on the 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:16.880 train like. 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.920 You guys were like if she was a one, But 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.000 you guys are like a family that was hanging out, 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.040 Like yeah, I don't know why she would. 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:23.840 Just peace out. 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.440 I feel like I didn't remember that they were separated. 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.080 What do you mean, oh like up top? 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.360 Yeah? Oh the parents were Oh I'm sorry, I know, 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:33.520 I know there was a yay. 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:33.800 Yeah. 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.840 Yeah, no, they were just like separated the store. I 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:40.560 think they're gonna get divorced. Yes, there's absolutely Oh were 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.440 they just on like let's do it for the kids 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.200 shopping trip? Like my mind was like totally racing. Sorry 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.680 I misunderstand. So the mom shows the photo to Benson 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.440 and it hits Benson, like that is the girl she 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.520 saw in the van earlier. This is awful And in 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.000 my head, I'm like, after all these years, you're not 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:53.800 gonna follow your gut. 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:54.560 And I get it. 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.960 We all like slip, we all do like the thing 0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.640 we don't do. We don't listen to our gut. But 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.640 like it's so crazy, like you're right all the time, 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.920 ninety percent solve rate, Like you knew something was up 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.480 and if you, Noah would shut his fucking mouth. 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.400 She don't have to sell. 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.760 And she could have done a nice three point turn 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:17.400 and fucking you know, I just I just don't know 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.120 why we have to keep playing this game at season 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.400 twenty five of like and I'm not gonna trust myself 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.040 and I'm not going to go for it because. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.840 I didn't want to be Yeah, I didn't want the 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.240 job to like own my life, but girl, it does 0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.720 you need to follow your instincts. But at the same time, 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.200 but she was with her kid, but she could have 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.760 called it is guy, this guy kidnapped her, lets her 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.400 sit in the front of the car when it's a van. 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.280 Well obviously, but we know scale what's the drugs? It 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:47.640 could be anything we know about Scapolopin. That's like, okay, 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.640 it's Benson's mission now to find this girl. She feels guilty. 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.400 Credits and we're back. So we're entering the precinct and 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.760 fucking McGrath again. This mother, you know, Terry serproco, blonde 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.920 bulldog of a man. Yeah, Benson even I've never seen 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.920 someone look feel more like a bulldog because he's like 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.400 a cute man. It's not like showls orthing, but like 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.640 he he's a bulldog. And so he comes in and 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.920 right away, like she has to convince him that she 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.640 saw her. You know, She's like, I saw her, Ah, 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:19.080 did you really? Finn's tailing behind. She only saw the driver, 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.320 white baseball cap thirties. She should have turned around, like 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.080 she was even thinking, why would a young girl be 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.520 sitting in the front of a delivery van? Yeah, and 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.800 the magress like, don't tell the parents, don't tell the press, 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.720 and Finn gives him a side eye, and Finn's trying 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.760 to console Benson, who's like, fuck, I should have known, 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:35.960 and it's like, yes, you should have maybe if it 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.200 wasn't for Noah. I mean, obviously, I'm I'm mad at Noah. 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.680 And the dad already for this episode, and we haven't 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.560 met the full criminals yet, and I'm and I hate 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:45.280 the Godfather. 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:49.120 I'm like, yeah, everybody in this episode canuck scratch. 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.680 So they find her cell phone and the parents confirm, like, 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.800 you know, that's her phone. So it's on the Brooklyn 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:57.720 side of the battery tunnel is where we find it. 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.000 Missus Flynn's so so sad. Kevin Kane, I don't know 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.160 his character's name. He's the cop who won a lawsuit 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.520 and now is rich but still a come no right Bruno, 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.520 we don't talk about. Yeah, that's so good to be 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:12.160 Bruno at this time in our in culture. She says 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.040 that her daughter is young for her age and so yeah, 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.240 naive and she gave that vibe you know what she's 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.640 buying pains for. So then they think they have I 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.840 don't know that you can buy paints at any age. 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.320 So Benson is saying that there might have been a witness. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.080 She's obviously the witness, but she can't fucking let that happen. 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.680 And she's like, you know, Maddie didn't appear scared, so 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.000 you know, Calm, is it a family, is it a friend? 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.080 Who would she have run away with and the mom's like, no, 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.840 we just moved here from San Francisco to New York 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.720 City last year because of the crime. They came to 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.920 New York City from less crime from San Francisco. Now, 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:49.360 is this a troll from the writer? 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:50.040 What is this? 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.760 San Francisco does have like a like a bit of 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.320 a crazy crime problem, like not crime, but like also 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.920 like an unhoused problem and everything, And like the way 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.640 San Francisco is, it's just like, you know, I hate 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:02.600 to say it, in La like a lot of unhouse 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.120 people are just shoved to a certain neighborhood, a certain area, 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:07.239 you know that they call skid row. And in San 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:08.960 Francisco it's like you can just turn out of like 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.200 a very expensive restaurant and see somebody like shitting on 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:12.839 the street right in front of you, Like it's all 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.719 very right there. So I think you live in New York. 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.640 People say New York's gotten like more crime since the pandemic. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.440 I don't feel that when I go back, but like 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.239 I always feel safe. I've always felt safe in New York, 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.759 so I would say this, I feel safe in New York. 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.080 It's not that, but it's just this is funny to me. 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.320 This is a wild thing to do because San Francisco, 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:33.200 I would say, has worse. 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:34.480 Crime than New York. It does. 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:39.720 But still if your focus is less crime, yeah, wouldn't 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:44.759 you go to Palo Alto if you're living in Francisco. No, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.000 you don't want to be with those tech free You 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.160 don't want to be with tech free city where you 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:50.760 can do your work. But you're living in the burbs. 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.480 I think the Chicago suburbs is where these people belong. Okay, 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:59.719 this is where they belong. Yeah a suburban, no, or 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.239 like a sub I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.759 I just it's like I want to find an analogy, 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:08.240 and it's escaping me. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.239 Really, they really moved out. They would have lived in 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:11.280 Westchester or something. 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.400 They would live proxicity, like me moving from Iowa to 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.880 Nebraska because I just wanted more space. 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:19.360 And it's like, what are you talking about? 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.160 They're like the same, Like, yeah, it just doesn't make 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:25.600 sense to me. But it does kind of feel like 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.440 a conservative things. People are always shitting on San Francisco 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.080 because they like they want to shit on how the 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.320 cities of California, the liberal state, are like falling apart. 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.520 That's fine, but leave us out of it. 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.359 Like, if you hate us, I have to get them 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.400 to New York so they can interact with Benson. Like 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.560 if you hate us and you hate the way we 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.960 live and it's terrible living here, Like why are you 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:45.600 mad about it? 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.520 Yeah? You know what I mean? Like cool, you want? 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:49.560 Our lives are bad? 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:54.520 Leave us us alone, Leave us alone. But let's be honest. 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:59.000 Cities are the way that like small communities can even survive. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.520 Like that's where the money comes from, is the cities. Yeah. 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.200 I was literally reading a thing about the huge percentage 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.360 of people that live with at least some part of 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.759 government assistance, and it's almost it's a lot of people 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.160 in rural areas where their cities pay for those rural areas. 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:14.400 Yeah. 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:19.400 Whatever, it's just a funny thing, and I'm curious this 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.480 would make sense. Oh, we moved to New York for 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.520 because it's great. I don't know, I don't know. It's 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.160 just funny to me. Yeah, so she could go to 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.440 painting school. It's just like, I love New York and 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.759 I don't like I get it, but this is just 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:34.279 silly to me. 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:35.440 They couldn't. 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.480 We have to get off of it. They couldn't just 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:41.279 say yeah, that's the There's more. There's more notes about 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.000 what the fuck is going on here with the San 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:44.160 frand to New York move. 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.080 You can't. 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:51.440 Okay, the mom is a great actress. She's upset. She's screaming, 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.239 you know what the hell are you even doing? All 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.320 you did was find her phone, get to work, you losers, and. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.279 You know it. Bensonce upset for sure. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:01.160 She turned STI look at her husband, who's in the 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.800 vending machine bricks and blind's room. And also there's a 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.200 lost and found sign. So it's vending machines and lost 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.400 and found and I've never seen this room before. So 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:14.279 Finn and Alasko are with him. Could it be daughter's friends? No, 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.439 they're all good kids. We don't really know anyone here. 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.480 He sits on a couch and is like, fuck, I 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.680 think that my wife thinks it's my fault, and maybe 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.440 it is. I don't know, Oh God, maybe you should 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:26.720 be thinking, is my daughter okay? 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:27.359 Yeah? 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.200 Because he stopped to like watch the game on TV 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.040 or something in the store, I don't know. 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.840 All I remember is the two of them walking to 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:41.040 the paints like that my eyes so like yeah, but 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.279 why are you thinking? Of course, the wife's pissed at you, 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.200 like what are you talking about? So they're brainstorming dry 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.880 erase board, work, chill room. There's no evidence of grooming 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:55.200 older boyfriend. She seems really innocent. Finn Is like to Benson, 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.080 you need to take a break, and she goes, if 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.200 you say that again, we're gonna have a problem. 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.520 And I love feisty. 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.080 Fucking but he stares at her like a fish with 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:04.800 his mouth open. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.800 But he's not scared of her, but he's like damn. 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.640 So he says, you've had a long day because he 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.759 is caring, you know, And she goes like I need 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.040 to let you know. I let him take her, and 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.040 Finn is like what you saw her face for a 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.600 few seconds like it's okay, And then so Vealesco's like 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.280 uh oh, and Kevin's kine start questioning her like listen, 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:24.840 like are you sure. 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:26.000 It was the energy drink van? 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.839 Like why would you kidnap someone and be in such 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.200 an attention grabbing van to abduct children? 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:33.440 Like isn't that strange? 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.839 And she has to be like I'm not imagining it, 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.560 like I'm not like why are you guys all questioning me, like, 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:39.279 I don't. 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:39.800 Get this either. 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.479 Twenty five years on the first episode, they're like, don't 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.200 you kind of have hallucinations all the time. 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.439 Isn't this like a thing that you do? Benson like, 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.959 I just don't get it. It's crazy. I don't. 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.759 I don't understand. So she's fucking pissed. None of them 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.279 believe her. And I want to kick Velesco's teeth And 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.319 how old are you twenty seven twenty telling Benson what 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.880 to do if your goddamn mine is possible. 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:06.799 It's like Danny Zuko thing that he does. 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.480 I really don't like him unless he wants to be 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.279 in a guest on the podcast and is su sure 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.040 but not. His phone vibrates and guess what? They found 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.759 a bright green energy drink van in Pennsylvania and it's abandoned. 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:17.640 H oh. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:18.680 Guess who was right? 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.319 Was a reported stolen yesterday stolen car? The camera is 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.920 broken on the bridge a few weeks ago, so that sucks, 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.359 and the boys are talking and Benson's getting into it, 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.400 like with the flashlight, and she digs in and she 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.839 finds the Taylor Swifts bracelet and it says Maddie on it. 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.759 She left it behind and she goes smart girl and 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:36.920 we're gonna fucking find her. 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.080 So Finn is like, wow, you were right, Yeah, no shit, 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.960 and so then because like we're both swifties, we'll find you. 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.640 I mean, it does make me so happy. And if 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.200 you're wondering where we are in Taylor history. As I 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.120 record this, she announced the book, The Eras Tour Book, 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.880 and they were at the Yankees game. Oh yeah, I 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.319 liked that blackout. The guy likes their out. It's an 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:01.480 outerwear I really like. 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.719 I saw them at dinner or something where she was 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.520 wearing like a cool gold outfit. 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:07.880 I liked the shoes in that it was like a 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.200 it's a Versace mule. 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.080 Oh yeah, I remember the shoes too now yep, I 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:14.719 like those good. 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:16.239 Yeah. 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.600 Okay, So and we're back to a missing teen and 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.560 Mattie was there. 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.800 And it's so funny when I do telp people. 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.000 So when I met I was talking about this on 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.040 an intro a while ago. But when I talked about 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:32.840 meeting the podcaster that I like, and I explained the 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.719 podcast and we're like, and so is it fun? 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:36.480 Is it comet? 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.560 And I'm like, listen, it's a really complicated layer and 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.120 it's very last but I think we're doing. 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:41.719 We get a couple of laughs. 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.600 I would say, yeah, but like we respect everything. 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.560 But yeah, we are back up the teens. But the 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.560 crossing state lines, that's scary. So back in the office, 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.760 Benson's chatting with Creasy and Velasko and Finn full House 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.880 hair and DNA and the van is Maddie's so but 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.840 because it's a work truck, there's too many prints to 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.480 know what's going on. And they're still looking into the 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.120 Prince on the gun in the men's room, so there's 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.720 nothing but the visual idea of Benson. There's no DNA. 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.759 We're looking at for traffic cams, and Kevin Kane has 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:14.720 entered the chat. 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:16.120 Out of the tunnel. 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.760 There's a few grainy shots of the driver and Benson's 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.320 staring and she's like, oh my god, this is the 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.040 guy I saw. I'll call it in the parents, show 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.280 them like maybe they know him. So in two employees 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.399 of the energy drink delivery company said no to DNA tests, 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.360 but everyone else is cleared, so obviously we're going to 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.920 go talk to the DNA deniers. Benson's looking at photos 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.239 of her and she's like very very pained by all this. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.839 Criesy tells her to stop beating herself up, and she's like, yeah, 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.480 that's easier said than done. Will everyone stop treating me 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.000 like I am fourteen years old? Like I am your boss? 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.960 But Mom is on the gray couch with Benson and 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.799 sadly she's like, yes, that's her bracelet. Her best friend 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.919 gave it to her when we moved from San Francisco, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.400 and she's like, oh my god, where'd you find it? 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.400 Obviously she's sad to hear the news, but it's strong leads. 0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.120 We're getting routes, we're getting drivers, everything, like, you know, 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.120 we can get this going, and the mom asks if 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.240 she's still alive in Benson's like, I have no reason 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:07.000 to believe she's not. 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.440 She's really smart. She left the bracelet. We're gonna get her. 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.560 So we cut to the dad with Avelasko and Finn 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.080 and they're looking at the van and he's getting like 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:19.560 hostile and annoyed, like fuck him. But so then the 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:20.960 detectors are like, what about soccer? 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:21.480 A coach? 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.759 A pervy And then the dad goes, wait, you think 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.000 it's sexual and it's like that didn't even cross his mind. 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.279 Oh my god, this guy is quite dumb. But like, 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.480 I hope it's not. You would hope it's not. 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.080 What do you think a guy wants a fifteen year 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.120 old blonde girl for? What do you think somebody took 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.000 her for? If it's a new baby, maybe it's black market. 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.160 What do you think they want your daughter for her painting? 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.800 They're gonna keep her and let her do acrylic paints 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.480 in a little basement, it is. 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.680 But you think it's sexual? 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.360 Yeah, Like, aren't you worried about your daughter? He's still 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.360 just like, my wife's mad at me. She's such a bitch. 0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:00.160 Like that's what he's thinking. That's what he's thinking, King 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:00.640 right now. 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.799 Yeah, So we learn they go to the store every 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.279 week and like the person who did this really new 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:10.719 the store and cameras and like not being targeted. And 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.600 then the dad is like, it's like there is one 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.120 old man that watches soccer practice, so maybe it's him. 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.839 So we go to this creeps house Gordon Franks and 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.920 I'm not the first complaint he's ever had about being 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:22.839 a PERV soccer fan. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:24.000 He opens the door and. 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.080 Yeah, he doesn't know why the cops are there, and 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:28.520 it's like, but you know, you're a pervert, you know 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:32.319 what I mean, Like, why are you so shocked? And 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.920 he's a hoarder and they enter, they're like, are you 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:35.600 a pedophile? 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.879 And he's like, I just like sports and he has 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.680 a cat. I support women in sports, women's athletics. It's 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:42.520 like totally fine. 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:44.560 But it's like if even if you love women's sports, 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.799 like they're not good. These are children. Unless you're going 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.919 to like a high level championship. I don't know, maybe 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.520 that's rude. Travel travel teams unless you've given but like 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.240 unless you're like invested in a child on the field, 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.000 I just don't trust. 0:43:58.160 --> 0:43:59.400 I think it should be unallowed. 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.319 It should not be I don't know, like if I 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.040 was living like I don't know. I like the idea 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.839 of going to a high school football game. We live 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:07.680 near a high school. 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.319 Yeah I want to go to the game. 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.000 Yeah yeah, but that's a huge event and a lot 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.680 of people are there. Not as many people go to 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.319 like watch a girl soccer game. And you can't be 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.440 at a girl swim me yeah alone. No, it has 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.080 to be like sex parties. You need to have a 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.160 plus most park, you have to be brought by a woman. 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:25.920 Most playgrounds are like, you have to be with a 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.799 kid to be here. There's signs there are yeah, like 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:30.719 there'll be rules. I've seen it in New York and 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.400 I've seen in LA. You have to be accompanied by 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:33.960 a child. 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:38.080 So either who's watching pedophiles are not going to be beholden, 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.960 I know, but they could stand across. I guess it 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.879 would give somebody the right to go, hey, the rules 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:43.920 of the park where you got to be here with 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:44.319 the kids? 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.040 Scram or I'm gonna call the cops. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.680 a scuffle? Would you do that? If somebody was looking 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.400 really fucking creepy? I probably would like somebody sitting on 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.680 their phone, I'm probably I'd be honest. I'm not matching 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:58.520 up kids with parents when I'm at the playground. 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.320 Yeah, but you know, if the someone not paying attention, 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.239 that's a parent. Yeah, if they're looking get the hell 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:05.640 out of here. 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:12.000 In pervert? Yeah all right, So this guy's a cat? No, 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:14.080 all right? 0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.800 Kevin Kane goes to the backhouse work, you know, the hut, 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:21.759 and inside is like a ton of pictures of Maddie everywhere, 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.400 and so they're taking him in and he's like, I 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.400 don't even know her, and they're like there's fifty photos 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.279 of her on the wall, like what how are you 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:33.160 still lying? And he goes, she's really good at soccer, 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.439 she's my own mia Ham. Finn says, get him out 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.960 of here and let the dogs back here. He's in 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:42.319 cement room bars Velasco and Finn are in there while 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.200 Caresy and Benson watches Kevin Kane fills them in. The 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.759 dogs didn't pick up any trace of Maddie though, so 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.640 he's a perverb. But it's a big leap from like 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.160 pictures to kidnapping. There's no picks online. Sarah's going to 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.799 go through his computer just in case, and Caresy is like, 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.200 it's going to be a stretch to get him even 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.560 if the picks are like like they're you know what 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:04.120 I mean, it's barely street photography, But like you must 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:08.880 be able to contextually put someone in jail for at 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.400 least six months for having photos of an underage person 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.439 they don't know fifth secretly if. 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.040 They're clothed, I don't know, Like if it's not in 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:19.960 a sexual scenario, I don't know. 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:21.759 I don't know. 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.799 What are the surveyll like illegal surveillance or like that's 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.440 gonna be where I testify in Congress. Everyone has their mission. 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.200 I'm gonna be that'll be my. 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.600 Mission protect the young soccer players of America. 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.240 Finn says, yeah, get them out of here, YadA YadA. Okay, 0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.480 So yeah, they're not good photos is what CARIESI is saying. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.360 So there's tons of noise. They run into the hallway 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:45.879 a giant man. Is this not the biggest man you've 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.240 ever seen in your life? Like he is so tall 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.160 he is he's like gold, He's like that wrestling gold. 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:56.359 And yeah, it's really a presence and crazy decision making 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.759 skills for him to not have called ahead, maybe been like, 0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:04.320 hey have something in my car, Like the method is wild. 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:08.680 He walks into the precinct and he's also wearing shorts, 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.520 so that's strange, and a kangle newsboy style hat and 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.520 a goatee. And so with a go tee, that's a criminal. 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:16.879 You know, no one's gonna assume you're not. And he's 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.480 holding a giant garbage bag that has weight to it 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.560 is heavy. All the unis surround him guns out. Benson 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.160 introduces herself like what's going on? He goes I found her, 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.919 the missing girl. He puts her on the floor, steps back. 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.000 The unis grab and pull them back. They rip the 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.120 bag open. It's a sex doll. So it's a sex 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.000 doll of Maddie, though it is a sex doll of 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.000 the fifteen year old who is missing. Oh no, they asked, 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.320 where did you get this? He stares at Benson intensely 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:44.320 while not answering. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.720 So, and like, in case you're one of those people 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.000 that doesn't watch, you, just listen to us. It's not 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.880 like Batchelor party sex doll. It's like Lars and the 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:52.879 real Girl sex doll. 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.520 Right, it's like a full those lifelike dolls that you 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.680 get to be like your wife, your companion. These people 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:02.239 that have them, Yeah yeah, these are thousands of adults. Yeah, yeah, 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.440 for sure. Well so then this is okay. So now 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.279 we open back up and we're at a butcher shop 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.640 kitchen situation with an arm and there's blood in the 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.560 meat slicer, and there's a person in scrubs and a 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.960 hairnet and blood and lugging body parts. There's a meat cleaver, 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.479 and then we hear a cut. We're on a movie set. 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:23.000 Oh god. So yeah, so it's a busy, busy set 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.359 and it's about a psycho killer lunch lady. It's cafeteria 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:29.680 carnage and she kills kids and feeds the kids. And 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.560 obviously there's a Simpsons a Treehouse of Horror about this, 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:34.920 and okay, you didn't react to Wait. 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.600 Wait, hells she kills kids and feeds them to kids. Yeah, 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.440 and they do that on the Simpsons for the Treehouse 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.080 of Horror. Yeah. 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:43.920 Well, like, you know, they don't have a budget. So 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.319 then she's like, you know, there's not very much meat 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.800 in this meeting or that's the PTA disbands episode. Listen. 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.800 But yeah, they like kill the kids and eat the 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.600 kids whatever. It's like a fun Simpsons Halloween episode. I 0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:01.400 think you should watch. Honestly, I think you should. My kids, Yes, yes, 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.560 we should do that. That'll be their way into the sun. 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.399 The Bart Simpson Raven one, the Raven one I watched 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:07.160 when I was a kid. 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:08.640 Yeah, the one I always think of when you bring 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:09.360 up the Treehouse. 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.839 That's amazing. Ever more, never more so, I think it's 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.960 criminal Simpsons. I follow a few accounts on Instagram, but 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.839 they're doing a like March Madness style bracket of the 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:20.880 best Treehouse of Horrors and we're at the final two 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.400 right now. Anyways, it's a Simpsons thing. This is a 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.920 horror movie set and Finn gets a burn in and goes, 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.000 I'm sure it's going to be straight to video and 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.120 he's like, yes, this is super low budget and we 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:36.359 needed latex dolls for fifty kids for a finale, and 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:38.919 sex dolls are cheaper than prop dummies, and he said, 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.839 nobody on production is fucking the dolls, So I sex 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.920 dolls are expensive. You can't get prop If this is 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.279 a low budget horror, there's no way you can't get 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:52.960 body stuff for cheaper. Yeah, right, I don't know, I 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:57.000 would think. Velasco turns to the whole crew and goes, listen, 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:57.960 the dolls are evidence. 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.839 We're taking them all. Hangl. Hat's like, what the fuck 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:01.279 are treat me like a perp? I'm a hero. 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.200 As soon as I saw the girl on the news, 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.319 I brought the dolls straight to you, and fing goes, well, 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.680 if you're a hero, tell us where you got the dolls. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.840 And it's like you didn't even ask him once before? 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.000 Why are you being aggressive? Like he's keeping a secret, 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.760 Like I don't know why you haven't asked him sooner. 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.560 I just like don't know why they're being mean to 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.600 this guy. I mean he entered fucked up. 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:19.000 Like I would. 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:22.000 Actually, yeah, yeah, Benson Stone creesy back up the office 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.840 like jish. I thought, I've seen everything, and this is 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.600 the first for him to underage sex dolls created just 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:29.879 for pedophiles. This actually doesn't seem new to me, though. 0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:31.640 Has this really never been on SBU? 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.879 I mean there's We've definitely talked about how there's see 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:40.840 sam images that are created of not real children, like 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:46.920 there's ai kind of like children that are created for photographs. 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:50.640 But I yeah, I don't think I've seen that. This 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.120 might be the first time we tackle kid sex dolls. 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.960 Oh okay, we got to find I just know that 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.880 they sell them in Japan, Like that's like a fact. 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:02.240 I heard that you could buy like limbless. Oh God, Sorry, 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.439 that's just something I've heard and maybe that's not true. 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.960 And I don't mean to offense everyone, but I heard 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:08.160 their sex stores are crazy. 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.120 Okay, So we got. 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.560 A fuck cause I've been to Japan and I did 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:16.600 see some wild like anime when you just walk into 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.600 like stores that they'll just be like some porn stuff 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.880 like mixed in with regular stuff, and you're like, oh. 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.600 Wow, but I don't remember seeing any of themless babies. 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.200 Well I have to have to head back. Okay, so 0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:29.960 it's we gotta find the cellar. But I spelled it 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.160 like a wine cellar, not like sellar, like a cellar 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:32.720 of something. 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:34.239 And so that is why I. 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.640 Was just confused reading something simple like that, And what 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:39.640 do we charge them with? 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:40.919 You know what I mean? 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:43.640 Right, So it's not even a crime, but it is 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.080 a teen girl and Creasy's like, yeah, but if it 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.080 was made before the kidnapping, they're gonna claim it's a coincidence. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.400 And it's like, the bracelet's on the girl, it's not 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.080 a coincidence. The doll has a bracelet, like this is 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.120 it might be fresh? How did they have the bracelet? 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:58.879 They just moved to New York. They're new in town, 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.560 but the sex dolls are ready the bracelet. 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:02.360 Yes, but it was a. 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:06.160 Gift from her friend and they just moved to New York. Yeah, yeah, 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.000 I'm sorry. This episode, I mean, I love it. I 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.319 love the Maddie storyline throughout the season. 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.120 But this is there's a lot of weird things this 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.080 we should be doing continuity on this show. 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.560 That doesn't make any fucking sense. She just moved there. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:19.799 You think she's got a friend good enough to give 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.080 her a friendship bracelet after a month in town. This 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.160 guy must have discovered her for the photos like day 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:26.480 one of when she moved to New York. 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:28.680 Right, Well, no, it's a San Francisco friend gave it 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.360 to her to the move to No, I know, but 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.360 the photo guy he started to take pictures of for 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:33.239 the first day she was in school. 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.640 He got fifty photos of for how long she been there? Yeah, 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:40.600 a lot of practices. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, this is why. 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:42.640 Well, I just watched a clip of like I guess 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:46.520 Martin Scorsese's editor at the Wolf of Wall Street, there's 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.080 like continuity, errors, NonStop over she. 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:49.759 Just doesn't care. 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:51.839 But they said she's the best in the business and 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.480 has all these oscars because it's all about like the 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.600 way things feel and like you don't even notice it. 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.239 But then they showed a clip like he throws money 0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:02.240 in the air but it never flies down. But yeah, 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.239 I don't know. It's interesting to think about, like what 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:09.239 is well technically being bad at it or what is 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:16.800 good you know, like, yeah, interesting. Yeah, So the parents 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:18.840 walk in, that's not good news, and she has to 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.200 tell them your daughter is a sex doll. They're very upset. 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.279 They look at the doll picture and it's a it's 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.480 a real picture. So it's her and a birthday crown 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:27.959 and the mom is like, oh my god, that's exact 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.640 same out for from her birthday. So now this is fucked. 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.719 Now we're getting fucked. So the parent, I mean, it's 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:35.520 been fucked, but now it's a whole new level. And 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:37.360 the parents are having a hard time with this info 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.440 and like how this can't be a coincidence and that 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.080 the doll and the kidnapping are connected. The dad flips 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.839 out screams, how do you even know she's alive? And 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.440 Benson sadly has to say, because she's more valuable to 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.520 them alive. Hello, Like okay, So then Benson, this isn't 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:54.560 this is not killing. 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:55.640 This is they're. 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.160 Gonna ruin her life probably Okay, So Benson want, I 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.840 mean killing is ruining a life too. Benson wants to 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.080 go through the mom's instagram. She's like, no, I have 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:03.880 a private Instagram. 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:04.560 I know everyone there. 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.560 It could be nobody and Benson's like, yep, we're not 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:08.759 ruling any of your friends out, and she goes, what 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.520 And so now Benson's like, we're gonna go and research 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.680 every single person that liked that picture and we're going 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.000 to go in, so knock at the door. We're also 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:20.520 finding the cellar and it's Golden Rabbit Importers in Chinatown. 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.959 They enter a you know, like as a big group, 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.279 lots of flashlights, huge warehouse. The dude's like, what the 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.879 fuck and you can't be here, and it's like they can. 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.279 So it's the best all warehouse. Watchman though, is really hot. 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.359 I would I would say that. And then they find 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.040 the doll. It's the Birthday Girl the bracelets on it, 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:38.920 and Benson takes one of the bracelets. 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.719 And then they asked the dude like, where did this 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:41.680 doll come from? 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.600 And he goes Taiwan, where all of them come from, 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:45.880 And she's like, I don't give a fuck about all 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.399 of them. I care about this one. He goes, that's 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:51.360 the best seller Birthday Girl. Benson says, take everything and 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.279 arrest him, and Rollins is now teaching at college. Whoo. 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.560 So the Maslows hierarchy of needs is behind her on 0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:58.520 the whiteboard and. 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.120 That wild we only ever heard of Masw's hierarchy of 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.399 needs from you. I do love it, so that's cool 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:05.360 that it's behind Rollin. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:10.880 Yeah, criminal motivation she's talking about was to satisfy basic needs, 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.920 and then the basic need got corrupted around Jack the 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.319 Ripper and that was the dawn of sex crimes investigation. 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.759 But I don't but I mean, if we're going to 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.920 just maybe sex crime investigation but definitely not sex crime, right, 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:29.319 And I still like, isn't judas like didn't kind like 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:35.319 haven't people been murdering each other for not needs often? Caesar, Yes, yes, 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:39.000 but I think maybe she's talking about the corruption of 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:46.120 like murdering giving you a sexual thrill, murdering sexual thrill, 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:51.320 like murder being tied to like sexual stuff. She assigns 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.000 him to figure out why Jack the Ripper did what 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:57.759 he did. Benson busts in. They talk Matty Flynn. She 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:01.000 tells Rolin she's not okay. She's wearing the bracelet and 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:03.800 Benson's like, there's just no leads. It's the worst, and 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:06.720 Rollins brings up, but the doll was on the set, 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.040 like it could be someone from the set Benson says, 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.640 nobody like had a record of using it outside of 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.840 being a prop. There's no indicator that someone was fucking 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:15.440 the doll on. 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.960 Your back light it. I'm sure that, Yeah, they're in there. 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.600 Yeah, Rollins says, are you tracking other buyers that weren't 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.640 using the doll as a prop? And then Benson seems stunned, 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.200 like a case of criminal sexual escalation. This doesn't seem 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:31.120 like that wild of a breakthrough to me though, Like 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.120 why wouldn't you go look at who bought the doll? 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:34.240 Yeah? 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:38.480 But whatever, Rollins is like, yeah, porn whatever Benson ads 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.000 or like smokes, you know, like one day it's one 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.359 and then the next year it's two packs a day, 0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:45.919 and you need to get that high. And pedophiles can't 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.719 always control themselves, so they're thinking, like, you know, the 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.719 perp might be on the buyer's list. The doll wasn't 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:55.160 enough for them anymore. Benson screams our perp, and they smile, 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:57.520 and Rollins offers to help, and Benson's like, ough, don't 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.839 make me miss you more than I already do. So 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:02.480 the bell rings and the students come in, and this 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:07.279 is college, there are no bells, so another foil, is. 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:10.680 There, Benson rawlins shipping you think there has to be, 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.120 especially after the tower, Yeah, especially after the towel. 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:14.960 Yeah. Right. 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.080 So they go visit all the buyers with their dolls, 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:20.920 and we meet a guy who has two dolls because 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.320 one of the dolls got lonely, and he has this 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.480 little tiny bun on the top of his head and 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.080 he's so sad they're getting bagged up. He knows nothing 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.640 about a missing girl, and Benson goes, good, give us DNA, bitch, 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.919 and then it's a montage of dolls being taken away 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:37.840 from men. A wife is screaming, you hit it in 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:40.560 her cloth in her old room, and it's like he 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:42.520 would be dumb enough, but also I don't believe that 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.240 she wouldn't go into her daughter's room and go through 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:47.760 the closet. But I also don't think he could have 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:50.040 hid this big ass doll this long from his wife, 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:53.120 Like I just really don't and then the husband. So 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.440 then the husband goes, he just got I just goddled 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.600 with her, and she's like, you're disgusting, And then we 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.800 find a with a weird haircut, a mullet, but not 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.520 it's really a lot of angles to this hairdoo and 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.760 he tries denying it, but his credit card, you know, 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.240 bought the doll. So then he decides to run and 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:14.480 Benson's like, oh God, like takes this time, like walking 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.920 like Mike Myers, like she he's not going to get 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:18.320 for he's not really athletic. 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:20.040 He tries climbing a fence. 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.440 Benson's like, you're going to hurt yourself, just like, please 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.560 come down and tells where this doll is. So he 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.320 says like, it's not what you think and he can 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.760 barely get down the fence and they're pretty nice to him, 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.000 like so then they go into the dump and they 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:37.360 find the doll in the dump and he's cuffed. Benson 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.160 asks why did you throw her out? And he's like, well, 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.800 I had to. She's the reason all this happened. She 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.040 does prey hands to him and says, do you know 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:44.880 where Maddie is? 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:45.600 And he says no. 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.360 He notices the bracelet on Benson's wrists and says, but 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:49.320 I know who took her. 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:50.000 Okay. 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.920 So we're in cement room bars and this guy bought 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.240 the doll but didn't know she was real until his 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.920 friend Mark saw a picture of the doll he posted 0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.920 in a chat room that he's in and so there 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.600 going through like the tech right now, we're going to 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.120 like see all this and Cariesy's curious how Mark knew 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.320 this was a real girl, and he goes, well, Mark 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:09.840 is smart and put it all together. So then the 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:11.760 guy with the bad Haircut's like, you know, knowing she 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:13.840 was really he just couldn't stop thinking about her. There's 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:17.080 a real version of my doll. And yeah, so you 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.280 know who took Maddie? We asked who took Maddie. Mark 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:23.960 and bad Haircut paid a separate guy eight thousand dollars 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.360 to take her. But then the guy changed his mind 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.200 and said, you know, cancel, but it was too late. 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.600 He thought he would eventually take her home to her parents, 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.160 and it's like, what is going on? He wants to 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.480 go home now and asks and Benson's like, no, you 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:39.200 are not going home. 0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:45.440 You orchestrated a kidnapping for money trafficking. Finn comes in. 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:47.440 They got a number off this scumbag's phone and they're 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.680 able to track it through the carrier. So they run 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:51.840 to a motel and the guy that works there thought 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.120 it was just like her father all guns are out 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.760 there going into this motel room there, but there's water 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.320 pouring out of the room, so that's terrible news. They 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.960 opened the door and Sin leads the team in yelling 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.720 for Maddie. We hear the bathtub running. He dumped a 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.520 sim card on the floor and then they open the door. 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:10.240 There's a garbage bag in the tub. They pull it out. 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.120 It's heavy and obviously a body and they pull out 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:13.880 the body bag. 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.240 It's a different girl. So it's a girl with a nose. 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:20.120 Piercing and fin Yell's for narcans. 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.360 She's alive. My eyes are barely open. 1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:24.840 Makeup did like an insane job, and she's such a 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:28.000 good actress. It's really scary and really unnerving this scene. 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:31.080 She's in like very rough shape. And another hot cool 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:33.640 girl detective comes over to thank Benson for finding her 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:38.160 missing girl, Tanya, and she's s View Detective Sloan Parish 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.280 from Bergen Hills Prosecutor's office. 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:43.560 They shake hands and she is the actress is Amber 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.280 Sky Noise and Noias or Noise. 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:50.240 She was in townhouse incident. She's the redhead in townhouse incident. 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:54.600 Whoa yeah, yeah, fuck yeah. She came back after like 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:58.439 many seasons. I bet Benson really liked working with her. Yeah, okay. 1:00:58.520 --> 1:00:59.400 So she says that all the. 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.320 Guys on her squad thought she was just a runaway 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.200 except for her, and she's so sick of shouting into 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:07.760 the wind, and Benson's like, obviously gets understands that. It 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:10.320 invites her back to the city to interview Tanya together, 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:14.240 so girl power and then thunder rumbles. So they're chatting 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.600 with Tanya on a leather couch. There's so many couches 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.240 in this episode. She lets Tanya know that Sloan has 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:21.440 been looking for her for a really long time, and 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.880 she she but she had so much fence and all 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:27.040 in her system, like it was so deadly. And she's like, 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:28.840 are you gonna arrest me? And they're like, no, girl, 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:29.600 we want to help you. 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:30.520 Who is that man? 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.840 She says, it's George from Canada, and that's all she knows. 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.240 They met partying on the train a few months back. 1:01:37.040 --> 1:01:39.960 It was a cross country Amtrak situation. He likes to 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:43.160 ride it for days. She met him in Jacksonville. Nothing 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:45.080 good happens there and he could tell she was an 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:47.560 addict from all the burns on her hands. But she 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:50.600 thought it was just rock, but he gave her fent instead. 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:53.680 He was in his late thirties, brown hair, and then 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.560 she goes, oh, are you asking all this because you 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.240 want to know about that girl he took and they say, yeah, 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:02.480 they were a photo of Maddie. She saw her a 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.600 few days ago. George went out and said he was 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:08.000 going to make eight grand and come back, and came 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.800 back with her and the money, and she seemed so 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.040 out of it. They got into a fight, and when 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.240 he said he was leaving because he couldn't take both 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.880 of them, and she says, no, there's no gun. It's 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:20.080 not violent, like that's not what this is. I never 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.240 saw a gun. After the fight though, he got her 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.520 high to calm her nerves, and next thing she knows, 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:26.120 she woke up. 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:29.240 In that bag. He was leaving her there to drown. Though, 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:33.000 like she starts to cry. 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.959 It's like really sad, and she's sobbing, and Benson says, 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:38.880 you're safe now. Benson walks out and tells the men like, well, 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:40.760 now I know why she seems so out of it 1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:41.720 and calm. 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:42.600 He was drugging her. 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:45.120 He drugs the victims, So we got to get this 1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:47.320 guy and he likes to be on the run, which 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.680 means he knows how to stay hidden. And so now 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:51.120 we got to go to Amtrak, and we got to 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.920 figure out send the descriptions out, and we got to 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:57.160 find Tanya's mother. So Sloan is going to try to 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.400 call the mom. And then now McGrath is here with 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.680 of course idea. He wants a press conference. They found 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:04.840 a girl who's missing for over a year, yay, And 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.520 Benson's like, this isn't a win, bro, They're still a 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.360 missing girl. He goes, yeah, not the win you wanted, 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:12.080 but a win that's in front of us. So they're 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:14.800 in the rain, umbrella is everywhere. McGrath, you know, is 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:18.320 doing a press conference, and Tanya's with her mother, so 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.440 this is good. Then Mattie's mom, of course, is upset 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:24.360 and no umbrella, soaking wet, runs up to them, screaming, 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:27.240 pissed at Benson said, you need to find my daughter. 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:30.280 Somebody needs to find my daughter. She screams, where is 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:34.000 Maddie sobbing crying. McGrath makes a face like, oh, I 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.880 guess I did a fumble here. Benson is pained. She 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.480 is right again, and no one listens to her and 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:44.240 this is a dick wolf baby, but also to be continued, 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:47.640 there's three more episodes throughout the season having to do 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.040 with this case and journey to find Maddie. 1:03:50.800 --> 1:04:03.800 Right, so let's move on to the true crime. All right. 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:08.760 So I'm not gonna say you're gonna be like, whoa 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:15.520 same crime? But the crime is has moments of similarity, 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:19.040 and some people think it's based on this because this 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:24.680 was kind of a publicized incident. So September of twenty sixteen, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:29.400 Karna Page Slusser is a senior in high school in 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:33.960 central Pennsylvania. It's like sixty miles from Scranton. Previously, she'd 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.040 run track been a cheerleader, but she quit that her 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.760 senior year and she starts, you know, falling in with 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:42.360 a bad crowd. Her grades start to slip, you know, 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:45.160 the same old the tale as old as time. She 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:48.440 and her mom, whose name is Sabina Touroto, they start 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:53.640 fighting more and as the year goes on, Karina's drinking, smoking, weeds, 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:58.120 skipping school. By January of twenty seventeen, she's dropped out 1:04:58.120 --> 1:04:58.720 of her high school. 1:04:58.760 --> 1:04:59.840 She's going to online school. 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.439 She's not going to those classes either, and the sad 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.040 thing is one of the articles I read said she's. 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:06.000 Only one class shy of graduating. 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:10.520 But on January third, my sister's birthday, Karina tweets screenshots 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:12.840 of texts that she sent her mom that are like, 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:14.720 there's a lot of Twitter in this. It's like when 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.960 people still use Twitter as like a normal place to 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:17.840 express yourself. 1:05:18.280 --> 1:05:18.760 It's weird. 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:20.760 It's like a time capsule because now it's just like 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:24.400 a healthscape. She wrote, quote, I need things to change. 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:26.680 I need to be happy. I lost motivation and goals 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:29.200 because of how unhappy I've been. I hate myself and 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.600 I need to teach myself to love me and you. 1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:33.640 I want us to do it together. I don't want 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:36.040 to be your disappointment, but I'm sorry. I need you, mommy. 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:36.880 I want you to help me. 1:05:37.240 --> 1:05:39.160 End quote. This is like so heartbreaking. 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:42.440 In April of that year, Karina does attempt to take 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:44.960 her own life by swallowing fifty tile and alls. 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:46.720 She gets taken to the er. 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:48.919 She survives, but she is held in a psych unit 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:51.680 for three days and a friend of a lot of 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:54.640 this that I'm getting is from an eyewitness news which 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:57.040 is a New York which is like Channel seven New 1:05:57.120 --> 1:06:01.200 York Eyewitness News investigative report. There's aecial segment called Missing 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:06.200 that a one reporter started doing when Gabby Patito went missing, 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.760 and so now she does this missing segment, and so 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:12.160 this is like a long story that I that is 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.720 available as like an article and a video. But a 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:18.880 friend told the reporter for Missing that when she visited 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:22.360 Karina in the hospital after her suicide attempt, she was 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:25.920 texting quote a guy from New York, so who knows 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.360 what's going on. The following month, she gets a very 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:31.880 large tattoo right between her boobs. I don't really know 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:34.400 why this is relevant to the timeline, but then I 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:36.600 do realize that it is like a huge identifying marker 1:06:36.640 --> 1:06:38.760 for her if you were to see her or know her. 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.120 There is a very large like lotus flower black tattoo like. 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:43.120 Right between her boobs. 1:06:43.640 --> 1:06:46.640 In June of twenty seventeen, she moves out of her 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:48.959 mom's house and in with a friend and she's working 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:53.040 at Applebee's. Her aunt is Julie Anne Becker Kalfa, who 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:55.600 told Dateline that she didn't like her mom didn't want 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:57.360 Karina to go out of the house, but she was 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:59.840 eighteen so she had to let her go. In August, 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:02.400 Karina moves out of the friend's house, but apparently the 1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:04.240 friend kicked her out and wouldn't give her any of 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:07.160 her clothes. Karina, she goes, she owes me Rent, I'm 1:07:07.200 --> 1:07:08.680 not giving her any of the clothes until she pays 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:11.880 me Rent. And one of her friends, Kaylee Levan, told 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.720 missing that a man picked Karina up and said she 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:16.840 wouldn't need these clothes because he was gonna buy her 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:21.960 a bunch of clothes. So on August nineteen, twenty seventeen, 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:25.160 she posts on Facebook that she's in Brooklyn, Okay. Her 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:26.720 mom is like, what are you doing in New York 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:28.880 City and she makes it sound like, oh, it's just 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:31.520 like a visit, no plans to stay. But later she 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:33.560 tells her mom, I'm looking for a studio apartment and 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:37.160 I'm working quote unquote payroll, whatever that means. And at 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:40.800 this point Karina is nineteen. So on August twenty fifth, 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:44.040 twenty seventeen, she has assaulted at the Harlem Vista Hotel 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:48.200 by a guy named Jovanni Peguero, age thirty two. We 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:49.880 don't really know how these two know each other, but 1:07:49.920 --> 1:07:51.800 he's been a frequent flyer in prison since he was 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:56.040 a teen. Burglary, robbery, sex trafficking, promoting prostitution, assault, harassment, 1:07:56.360 --> 1:08:00.560 criminal mischief, possession, selling drugs, resisting arrest is sort of contact, 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:03.600 like this guy's got a rap sheet. Police say, Peguero 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:06.200 stole three hundred dollars from Karina and then she confronted him. 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.080 He slammed her against the wall, choked her out. She 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:11.120 called nine one one once to the hospital. Three days later, 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:14.520 he's arrested, charged with assault, harassment, and criminal obstruction of 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:17.759 breathing or blood circulation. Very specific charger I didn't know about, 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:21.559 and Karina gets a six month order of protection against Paguero. 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:26.120 He cannot communicate her within any way, which includes phone, text, email, 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:28.639 or social media, or he could face up to seven 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:31.360 years in prison. So he posts a thousand dollars bail 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:34.760 and is released. A copy of that order gets sent 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:37.880 to her mother in Pennsylvania, who's obviously like what the fuck, 1:08:38.000 --> 1:08:40.400 Like I didn't know any of this happened. What happened? 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:43.120 And she's just playing it down. She's like, uh, guy 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:46.120 robbed me, he went to jail, everything's fine. But literally 1:08:46.200 --> 1:08:48.320 less than a week after she got this order of protection. 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:52.960 She's Facebook messaging Paguero, which does violate the order of protection, 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:54.759 and asks how are you Are you okay? 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:56.800 And a few days later he writes back, Hi, how 1:08:56.840 --> 1:08:59.120 are you? Are you all right? I miss you still so. 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:01.880 Around this time, she tweets about getting her first apartment 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:04.000 in New York and it's in Jerome Park in the Bronx. 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:05.920 It's really wild, like because you can go to this 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:08.479 girl's instagram, Like I went to it, I saw these photos, 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:10.960 and you know, she's just like a cute girl that's 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:14.200 like so excited. She writes, never been more happier in 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:17.519 my life. Forever dream accomplished end quote. Like she's so happy. 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:19.599 And her apartment looks really nice in the photos, like 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.439 cute kitchen. Like it's like looks like a cute like 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:26.640 new apartment. The next day, September eighth, twenty seventeen, is 1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:30.360 the last time she updates her profile pictures on social media. 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:33.439 She posts cheers to Pumpkins, spice and fall fashion in 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:36.120 my new home. Two days later, her last social media 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:37.640 post is posted from the Bronx and I went and 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:39.759 I looked at this photo. It's a picture of someone's 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.320 smoking weed. On the street and the face is mostly 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:45.439 obscured by a hat, and she writes siphon midday, mid 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:48.000 road always good for the soul. It's like somebody smoking 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:51.160 a jay. But I don't think it looks like her. 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:53.559 To me, it looks like a guy. And the identity 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.200 of the person in the photo has never been confirmed. 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:56.759 And if you go to it, there's tons of people 1:09:56.840 --> 1:10:00.880 arguing in the comments, being like, that's her, that's her, 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:03.160 like and then other people saying, no, way, that's not her, 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:08.120 blah blah blah. Around this time, Karina meets Ishi Woni, 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:11.080 a twenty one year old want to be rapper, and 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.880 they exchange eight hundred and sixty ten text messages in 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:17.800 ten days, so shit's moving fast and furious with these two. 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:23.719 Ishijoni sends a picture to Karina over Facebook messager of himself, Karina, 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:26.680 and another woman who was later identified as another one 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:29.880 of his sex trafficking victims. She was advertised with Karina 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:33.400 as quote a two girl special. The last day Karina 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:37.360 is seen is Sadly my birthday, September twentieth, twenty seventeen. 1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:40.960 She's someone sees her leaving the Haven Motel on wood 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:42.719 Haven Boulevard in Rigo Park. 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:43.840 Queens, early in the morning. 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.040 Prosecutors do believe she was with Ishi Woni at the motel, 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:49.160 but it did not have working cameras at the time. 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:54.280 But also the same day, she messaged Peguero, the original 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:57.840 guy who assaulted her, saying, quote, please please let me come. 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:00.000 If not, I could be locked up. She said, I'm 1:11:00.000 --> 1:11:01.760 the man left her at a motel, quote with no 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.360 money in food, and he tries to call her through 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:06.360 the Facebook messenger but she doesn't pick up, and no 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:08.680 one knows if these two ever connected or linked up 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:12.080 at all. She always She also that same day left 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:14.840 a sort of frantic voicemail for her friend Kaylie, who 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.759 spoke to Dateliner spoke to Missing earlier in this report 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:21.720 that I'm giving the last day she was seen, she 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:23.920 called her mom and said, I want to come home, 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:26.960 and her mom was headed to her dad's, not to 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:30.679 not Karina, but to her own the mother's dad's funeral 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:33.400 in Florida, and Karina's like, oh, I'm going to come 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:34.080 to Florida too. 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:35.439 But then she called. 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:39.479 The next she called and said, according to her aunt Julie, 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:41.759 she told her mom like, oh, her license and security 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.720 cardbin social Security cardban stolen, so she can't fly, and 1:11:44.800 --> 1:11:47.200 Julie told dateline quote she said she wanted to come 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.200 home to Pennsylvania, though, and she'd be home the next 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:52.400 day end quote. So the mom is in Florida for 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:55.040 a week, keeps calling Karina, but it's going to voicemail. 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:57.880 When she gets back, she still can't reach her. She's 1:11:58.120 --> 1:11:59.960 trying all of Karina's friends, none of them have her 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.120 from her. Now, it's early October twenty seventeen. The mom 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:06.160 files a missing person's report with her local police department, 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:09.559 who then talks with the Manhattan DIA's office, who say, quote, 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:11.840 give him Piguero's background. There is a concern that he 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:14.920 may be holding Sluster against her will and prostituting her 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:18.519 out for money end quote. Her family believes that Karina 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:21.240 is being held in a sex trafficking ring. So I 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:25.000 guess that's kind of where these stories match up from 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:27.639 the episode. But it's obviously a very different situation, and 1:12:27.720 --> 1:12:30.439 the girl's older, she's not a fifteen year old, and 1:12:30.479 --> 1:12:33.160 there's no sex to all component. But on October nineteenth, 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:36.720 the NYPD, this is wild. On October nineteenth, she's been 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:40.360 missing for a month. The NYPD emails her emails Karina, 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:44.439 going quote, your family has reported you missing and they 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:48.960 want to know if you are okay. Karina never responds, Wow, 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:50.200 the email did it work? 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:51.120 Can you believe it? 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:53.519 Can you believe you can't just email people who have 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:55.240 been missing and they won't just right back and go 1:12:55.680 --> 1:13:00.559 all good? Thanks for checking. On the twenty ninth, Facebook 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.439 messages her saying, Hey, I miss you. Can you just 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.000 hit me up and let me know you okay? So 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:07.840 no one has seen or heard from her at this point. 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:10.519 Now in six weeks, it's early November. Her mother goes 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:12.599 to the media. She's on the cover of the Daily 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.559 News with the headline gone girl missing teen got order 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:19.439 of protection against pimp. Like she's a beautiful, blonde haired, 1:13:19.520 --> 1:13:22.240 blue eyed girl. Like they're obviously the media is picking 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:25.120 this up. They love this kind of thing, and people 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:28.280 do love to feed into the trafficking thing, which, as 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:32.280 I've said, is real. But this is like a this 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:35.000 I can tell why the press picked this up. NYPD 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:38.360 officers interview a woman and is she wany about Karina's disappearance, 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:40.600 but that information is not available because she's considered a 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:43.519 victim of a sex offense, and so it's like considered 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:46.879 sort of sealed. A couple days later, a former detective 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:50.160 in Graham Prairie, Texas says that he received a crime 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:52.880 Stoppers tip from NYPD that Karina might be in Graham 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:56.840 Prairie being held captive. Nothing pans out, and there's nothing 1:13:56.840 --> 1:14:00.760 for five months. In April of twenty eighteen, because people 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:03.600 are fucking evil, someone tries to extort Karina's mom for 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:06.960 seventy five hundred dollars, saying I've got her. Don't go 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:09.559 to the cops, and the cops go, don't go to 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:11.679 the drop. This could be a scam. She almost goes, 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:13.960 then she doesn't, and then then they message her going 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:18.839 remember this day though, April seventeenth, Tuesday nine, twenty eighteen, 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.360 because it's the day you almost got her. That's what 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:23.840 they're telling the mother. They likely do not have her 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:25.760 for seventy five hundred dollars. It seems like a very 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:28.400 low ball for a life of a child. The mother 1:14:28.520 --> 1:14:31.000 is also getting other tips from people contacting her, but 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:33.639 nothing is leading anywhere. Then in the spring of twenty eighteen, 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.960 the FBI gets involved. They raid her room in Pennsylvania, 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:39.320 they take a DNA sample from the mom. They also 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:41.720 tell the mom that Karina's last cell phone ping was 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:44.840 in Jamaica, Queens, which does happen to be where JFK is. 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:47.400 So I guess it's possible she could have flown out 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:50.720 somewhere on Halloween of twenty eighteen. Is she Woni is 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:54.600 arrested on federal charges for sex trafficking Karina and the 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:56.800 woman from the earlier picture the two girl special that 1:14:56.840 --> 1:15:00.879 I mentioned earlier. FBI Assistant Director in charge Will Sweeney 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:03.640 said in a press release quote, as alleged one, he 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:07.560 compelled his victim to engage in prostitution through force and coercion, 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:10.439 and he used both his victim and Karina Slesser, who 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:14.600 has been missing since September twenty seventeen, in online advertisements 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:18.440 promoting prostitution, and her aunt is in all these interviews 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.479 being like, just look at her social media. They look 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:22.439 like ads for prostitution, but it's really just her in 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:26.040 a bathing suit looking sexy. But she's also a teen Like, 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:27.640 she's also a woman in her late teens that just 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:30.320 wants to look hot on Instagram. So you can't really 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.840 tell what's real with the mom, so is she When 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:36.639 he got fifteen years in prison at the sentencing, Karina's 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:39.000 mother begged him, like, please tell me where she is. 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:39.439 Please. 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:41.720 He apparently said, I don't know where your daughter is. 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:43.720 I don't know if she's dead or alive, but I'm 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:44.519 praying that she is. 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:45.080 He says. 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:49.400 So the mom seems to be doing a lot. So 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:51.840 that's similar to like the mom in this story, Like 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:56.280 she's obviously very frantic and she's feeling very hopeless. The 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:58.840 mother in the real life situation in the spring of 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:02.719 twenty nineteen, the mom does a genius thing. She buys 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:06.320 a phone and connects it with Karina's number. All of 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:10.400 her photos, apps, calendar reminders, and emails load onto the phone, 1:16:10.439 --> 1:16:13.679 probably just like Apple ID or something, but her texts 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.519 and calls don't. So then the FBI goes, can we 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:18.559 have the phone? Like the FBI never thought of doing this, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:20.920 so they're like, can we have it? And then they 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:22.439 give it back to her two months later. They tell 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:24.120 her nothing else. They don't tell her anything they found, 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:26.920 they don't tell her anything. So it's like January of 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:29.879 twenty twenty. She's been gone for a couple of years, 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:33.639 and the mother goes to one of Peguero's court hearings 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.000 and confronts him, and he tells her he thinks that 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:40.719 Karina is alive and quote unquote exploring New York City. 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:44.000 And you know it would be wild, like she was 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.120 on the cover of Daily News and the posts, like 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:48.479 someone would have caught her exploring the city and like 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:49.200 reported her. 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:49.479 You know. 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:53.599 So in November of twenty twenty one, somebody goes into 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:58.439 Karina's Facebook account and they search her mother's name. So 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:01.160 is that Karina Is that somebody who has access to 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:05.240 her account? Her aunt told Dayline when she initially went missing, quote, 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:08.360 we have no idea where she is now. Unfortunately, Karina 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:11.479 is a text bookcase of the trafficking epidemic. She is 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:14.439 one of thousands of in NYC. People may be envisioning 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:17.160 runaways and drug addicts, and that is not Karina. She 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:19.480 was a cheerleader for a team called the corn Huskers. 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.280 She came from a rural Pennsylvania town. She was looking 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:24.080 for a more exciting life and I think that's why 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:26.120 she went to New York City. I know Karina had 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:28.920 no idea what she was getting herself into end quote, 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.320 and her aunt thinks that she may have been killed 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:34.160 for wanting to leave and come back to Pennsylvania because 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:35.640 she called her mom and said I want to come 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:39.519 home and then was never heard from again. So yeah, 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:42.519 there's no update on that, Like, we don't know where 1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:48.560 she is. It's a sad It is a sad fucking story. 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.400 Oh my god. 1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:55.439 I know, And like, yeah, I could have been either 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.519 one of these guys. It could be a totally separate person, 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:02.640 like who fucking knows. But that is the scoop on 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:04.799 the Karina page slesser story. 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:08.600 It's really sad. Yeah, but we're going to cheer you 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:11.519 up with a great interview. Don't go anywhere. 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:22.000 Our guest today is an incredibly talented young actress who 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:24.800 recently starred in the Future Beyond the Lake. But you 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:27.599 know her best for her arc on the most recent 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:30.800 season of SVU, season twenty five, as the kidnapping victim 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:34.840 who Benson just can't quit, Maddie Flynn. Please enjoy our 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:38.479 chat with the very lovely Allison Elaine. I can't believe 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:46.080 we're talking to Mattie Flynn, Olivia Benson's biggest obsession season five. 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:50.120 Arc, Like, what how did this all come about? 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:53.439 I mean, yeah, did you know it was gonna be 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:57.880 like this big four episode thing that stretched across the 1:18:57.880 --> 1:18:58.519 whole season. 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:02.320 No, no, are you hitting me? I didn't even know 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:03.639 I was going to be a sex doll. 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.040 I think I was the last know about everything in 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:10.720 our podcast or did did you? 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:14.320 Did you play the sex doll? No, it was okay. 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:17.320 On your Instagram there's a photo of you being like, yes, 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:18.400 that's me the sex doll. 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:20.519 So I'm kind of like, wait, my mind is blown 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:23.000 out in the explanation, So maybe we need to start 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:23.679 a sex doll. 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.680 Let's start where we were at the beginning, which is 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:27.720 always the sex doll. 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:32.160 No, yeah, I did not know. 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:34.439 I was going to play sex all because one would 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:38.519 just assume that they would have a sex all play 1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:42.040 the sex doll. And no, I'm sitting in the makeup 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:46.200 chair and the very talented makeup artist, Michael Harvey, he 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:49.240 comes and he rolls out all of this stuff, right, 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:53.200 that is not your normal everyday makeup, And I was like, 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:54.400 what do you do on, buddy? 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:58.360 And You're like, we're turning you into the doll today. 1:19:58.360 --> 1:19:59.360 I am You're shocked. 1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:03.680 You're gonna go on as soon as we're finished, Are 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:07.880 you ready? And I was like, uh, nobody mentioned that 1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:08.200 to me. 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:10.960 I will be ready. 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:15.360 So yeah, it took three hours every day to cover 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:17.480 they can mean like seven layers of latex. 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:19.599 Yeah, because it looked like a dolt. 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:22.719 When Kara even asked you, it's like, that's obviously adult. 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.719 Wait so you had latex on you seven? 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:26.519 Wow? 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:28.599 Wow? Yeah it was. 1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:32.400 It was obviously a wig and you know, the the 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:36.639 lashes and the all the they painted my whole body essentially. 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:40.120 Yeah, and so I. 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:41.679 Really quickly had to learn how to not breathe or blink. 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:44.200 Did they get nominated for an Emmy for makeup? 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:44.479 Like? 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.280 I mean they should, they should. 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:49.480 That should have submitted. 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:54.960 That's incredible that but you can't. But then you can't blink, right. 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:55.360 Is that? 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:55.800 No? 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:00.360 It? Uh? Yeah, I would say it was hard because 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:03.120 you can't like, you know, the walk by you were 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:05.720 rip open a garbage bag and all this light comes 1:21:05.760 --> 1:21:07.960 in and your eyes just sort of start watering and 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:10.960 you can't do anything about it. Yeah, And it was 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:13.000 hilarious the amount of text that I got being like, 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:15.280 oh my god, I'm dying that there's a sex doll 1:21:15.320 --> 1:21:18.439 of you in a warehouse somewhere and I was like, no, it's. 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:20.000 Me, it's me. 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:21.920 I would have thought that would have been the prop 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:24.320 master's job to like make a sex doll. But I 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:26.439 bet you that they were like, this has to look 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:30.160 exactly like her, so let's just get Allison. 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:31.720 To I think so. 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:34.679 Also, I think there was like maybe a legal thing 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:37.800 where they didn't want to have to figure out how 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:43.080 to dispose of an identical to me. I don't know, 1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:45.280 like what do you do afterwards with that? 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:45.639 Right? 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:50.960 Like, oh my god, you're definitely the first human sex doll. 1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:56.320 Well, and I think they're expensive, yeah, brand, especially the 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:58.880 royal dolls, like the ones that are like yeah not 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.600 just like blow up back party sex dolls, you know, 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:02.439 like you were. 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:05.320 You were on top of the line sex doll. Oh yeah, 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:05.560 I was. 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:09.839 I was high end so many turns. 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:11.320 And that's the story. 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:14.679 Well from just your Instagram and the actress who played 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:17.439 your mom so fucking talented. I looked on hers and 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:20.480 it seemed like you guys had like a vibe with Marishka. 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:24.479 Seemed like, oh my god, Marishka is in love with Leslie, 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:28.240 Like they had Leslie's who play my mom? They like 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.839 are our besties. I don't know how it happened. Somewhere 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:34.280 there was just like a romance that was born between 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:36.840 the two of them. Oh my god, and like Mariushka 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:39.840 text her all the time and it's so and I 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:40.519 love Leslie. 1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:42.519 Leslie is like not old enough to actually be my mom. 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:45.559 She's only like seven years older than me, so she's 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:47.519 gofte me like my big sister or opt green. 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:48.280 Yeah. 1:22:48.280 --> 1:22:50.720 I definitely was like, are you allowed to be in 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.160 a hotel room by yourself? You're only sixteen? Like I 1:22:53.360 --> 1:22:55.040 I did not realize that you were like a full 1:22:55.080 --> 1:22:57.360 adult until I like went on your Instagram and. 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.760 Was like, oh yeah, no, care about that. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:01.759 We have to do it later in the day because 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:03.040 that's when school gets out. 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:04.160 I think she has school. 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:09.320 And then we started researching and I'm like, she's a 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:10.720 grown one's full grown one. 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:15.760 Yeah yeah, I get mistaken all the time, though, Like TSA, 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:18.320 I stumped TSA every time I got through. 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:21.160 Well, I mean that's I mean, you look, the people 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:22.519 that were on nine O two one oh back in 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:24.639 the day were all like thirty playing high school students. 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:26.599 You want a young look, you got to. I will 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:28.000 take it as long as I can. 1:23:28.080 --> 1:23:29.680 They don't. They don't make me take my shoes off, 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:30.679 they take twelve and undergo. 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:34.760 Thanks very much, perfect, you don't have to pay for 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:36.280 TSA pre or clear. 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:41.879 I love that baby. So like, you must have auditioned. 1:23:41.920 --> 1:23:45.000 They must have auditioned like dozens, if not hundreds of 1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:48.800 girls to be this like Mattie Flynn arc character. How 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:51.920 was your whole audition process? Was it like on tape 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:55.280 and then a callback? Like what was the journey? 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:59.360 It was so back So initially they did want Maddie 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:02.720 supposed to be, but initially they wanted her younger, and 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:07.599 then I guess for safety purpose, you know, La had 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:11.000 come back. Was like maybe with where the storyline is headed, 1:24:11.040 --> 1:24:15.360 we're gonna go older. Yes, for the sake of you know, 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:22.479 user audiences, not right, the ickiness, yes, the heroine of 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:22.880 it all. 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:24.639 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:26.000 So yeah. 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.240 I all I did was I sent in It was 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:32.640 the scene in episode one where she's walking through the 1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:37.840 supermarket with her parents or the whatever store, and uh, 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:40.439 that was it. That's all I did. I didn't do 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:44.400 a callback or anything. They sent me the offer right 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:48.240 off of that tape and uh yeah. Then like four 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:52.480 days later I was I was at Chelsea Piers, Oh wow. 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:54.720 Are you? 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:57.000 And that's what I'm saying. I went in so blind, 1:24:57.160 --> 1:25:01.200 like no idea where this was headed, no idea about 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.599 the sex doll or the teenage boy bit of it all. 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:07.400 Like I was just like, great, here I go. 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:08.679 I'm just gonna get in advance. 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:11.760 And you obviously made a giant impression because you would 1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:14.040 think they would see like, oh, can she cry or 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:15.400 can she do all these things? 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:19.120 But they knew I will say, yeah. 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:24.960 David was very sweet, the head writer, and he was like, oh. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:28.559 No, we're glad this worked out because yeah, we're we're 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:30.240 going to keep you on. We're going to keep it going. 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:32.320 And I was like, oh good. They were like yeah, 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:35.439 we weren't sure if you could act, and I was like, lass, 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:37.520 I didn't disappoint. 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:41.320 Well, it's interesting, yeah, because I bet you, like they 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:45.640 could have still had that whole arc happen with like 1:25:45.800 --> 1:25:48.840 less of the you turning into like the boy or 1:25:49.000 --> 1:25:51.800 being a boy in disguise and like and being all that. 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:53.200 If you didn't know how to act, they could have 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:54.880 just been like we're still looking for Maddie. You would 1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:56.800 have just been like a disappeared person. The whole time. 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.559 Oh yeah, and because you can. They were like, all right, 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:02.160 let's get this girl on a train. I mean, like, 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:04.120 I know we're talking about the episode tunnel Blind today, 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:06.040 but we're obviously talking to you about your entire arc 1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:09.920 and so so yeah, that scene in Zone Rouge, you guys, 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:11.400 are you guys on a moving train? 1:26:11.520 --> 1:26:14.920 Like you look like you're on a Metro North train No, 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:15.519 or like an. 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:16.960 Amtrak in this studio? 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:17.960 Oh wow? 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:22.240 Cool? It was crazy, like yeah, they and they built it, 1:26:22.280 --> 1:26:23.599 took it down like within a day. 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:25.679 They're speedy out there. 1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:28.679 They they're no, well, what about the store. The store 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:29.760 was a store a set. 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:32.120 Yes, the store was real. 1:26:32.439 --> 1:26:37.080 That was I think like a shopping say in downtown Manhattan. 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:39.000 Yeah, that one was real. 1:26:39.800 --> 1:26:42.519 But like that scene where you have to be like 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.200 your like is drugged up. 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:46.760 You're talking to this guy, then he goes to the 1:26:46.800 --> 1:26:49.559 bathroom and then you have to like in a heroin 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.880 induced haze or whatever he has you on, you're like 1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:55.720 scribbling this note and leaving it for the guy behind you. 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:57.840 I mean, like I didn't even recognize that was you, 1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:00.519 and I'd been watching the whole like season, Like I 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:03.519 was like, is that supposed to be Maddie Flint like it. 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:04.200 It was crazy. 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:07.919 I got so humbled. I'm got so humbled by the internet. 1:27:08.000 --> 1:27:10.800 Are you kidding me? They were? My friend showed me. 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:11.599 I guess there was. 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:15.440 Some Reddit thread where they were like, Maddy's been recast, 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:17.719 that's the boy, like there's no light. 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:22.639 Okay, another another shout out to hair and makeup. That's right. 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:25.839 I mean really though they're the real heroes. But yeah, 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:26.280 there was. 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:32.040 They would press that train bent null high costume every 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:36.360 day with continent packets because the director, Bethany, she was 1:27:36.400 --> 1:27:41.080 so talented, but she was like uglier, dirtier, nastier, Like 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:43.760 I couldn't get like nasty enough for her. 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.679 And at one point the head. 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:49.120 Of costume, I'm eating an egg burrito that's what like 1:27:49.200 --> 1:27:52.160 nine in the morning, and she's like, no, I want chunks, 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:54.120 like and I've already been covered in relish at this 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:57.479 like they just are throwing things on me, and she goes, 1:27:57.800 --> 1:27:59.880 are you done with her burrito? And I was like yeah, 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:03.439 she just takes it and just smush his egg Oh 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.360 my god, down my. 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:06.800 Shirt like all over. 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.760 And it was like such a comfy costume too that 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:11.240 I would. 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:15.160 Forget I was looking the way I looked, and so 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.240 I would be like, oh great, thanks everybody, and like. 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:19.960 Go to hug somebody and they'd be like, don't touch me. 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:23.559 Yeah he oh god, I forgot. 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:26.719 I probably smelled you. I smelled like egg and ketchup. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.759 Because he was also a unique criminal. 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:31.519 I don't know how much you watch this for you, 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.320 but we've never had like a nihilist on I don't 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.679 feel before, or like cold one. 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:37.160 I don't know. 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:41.240 He was a very unique guy. And then it kept twisting, 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:43.040 like when the mom goes to me. I mean, there 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:46.200 were so many twists throughout the episodes, and then the 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:48.360 trial with the mistrial and the juror, I'm like, are 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:49.280 you fucking kidding me? 1:28:49.320 --> 1:28:52.960 Get this guy out of here? You know, I know 1:28:53.400 --> 1:28:56.000 he was. It was I was really hoping that my 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:57.080 mom was going to kill him. 1:28:58.280 --> 1:28:59.479 When I was reading that was. 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.639 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:05.600 And then obviously you know Benson is not going to 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:09.000 let her best friend go down for go down murder. 1:29:09.880 --> 1:29:11.880 No, Leslie, yeahh. 1:29:11.560 --> 1:29:12.240 Don't do it. 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:14.800 I feel like they're going to bring you back in 1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:18.160 like a couple of seasons where like Maddie goes to college, 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:21.880 and like something happens to like your friend, and you're like, 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:24.960 I think I know someone, and you like bring Benson 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.040 into it. Let me call it, because like, yeah, you 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:29.800 end up going to college in the city because you're traumatizing, 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:30.840 can't go too far from home. 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:32.519 You know, there's a lot, there's a lot, Maddie. 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:38.240 I'm that then Maddie, after her experience with Olivia Benson 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.840 that she then decides to also become a detective. 1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:43.000 Okay, that's what I'm hoping for. 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.759 That's what happened with another The famous episode that Marishka 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:49.439 won the Emmy four is nine to one one where 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:51.200 she helps this little girl and then they just had 1:29:51.200 --> 1:29:52.720 it in the last season that the little girl grew 1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:54.439 up and graduated from the Lace Academy. 1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:55.760 I love that. 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:59.280 So see Olivia Benson like finishing school for young cops. 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:00.000 That's what it's going to be. 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:00.800 Oh my god. 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:04.720 It was So we were filming one episode and I 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:08.599 think it was episode five. It ended up being AT's birthday, 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:12.679 and so one of the days we were on set, 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:17.080 we stopped filming and she came in with her family and. 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:20.320 It was this really cute thing that I guess they 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:21.040 do every. 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:24.599 Year where they had like a I don't know, would 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.040 you call it a quartet. 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:28.080 Of bagpipe players. I don't know what was called a 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:29.840 group of bagpipes. 1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:32.800 I don't know what their connective collective noun is. Yeah, 1:30:33.600 --> 1:30:36.360 but there's a bun they like announced her. But then 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:41.840 they had probably a dozen real life of Olivia Benson's 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:46.080 from the NYPD there, and they each like brought their 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:49.840 own gift for her, and they each you know, like 1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:53.120 thanked her and had this whole speech planned and obviously 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:55.640 by the end we were all like crying. 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:58.320 Because those are the real heroes that are like doing 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:02.760 the actual work to save all of the people who 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:07.960 have experienced terrible, terrible sex crimes. But yeah, and they 1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:12.800 they gave her like an honorary NYPV jacket and wow, 1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:16.680 the flowers, and it was so so cute just to 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:21.519 see like the impact that it has on I mean 1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:24.800 obviously on the audience, but also just like on the 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:28.200 officers themselves. And it was all these women in positions 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:32.200 of power and that were captains or high ranking detective. 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:36.480 Yeah, it was just so it's amazing. 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:40.240 I wonder if it's because it was a milestone birthday 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:42.080 for her I think it was. 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:43.800 Might. 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.519 I know that every year they do throw a little 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:47.320 party for her. 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:52.240 But I don't imagine that they like, well, I feel 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:55.240 like Bagpiper is unique and maybe you know last year 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:56.040 was a drug queen. 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:58.280 They've had a violin like I feel like through the. 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:01.160 Yeah a mariachi band. 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:05.760 Yeah, started with a yeah. But did she know? 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:07.880 This was obviously a surprise, Like did she know any 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:10.000 of these detectives or. 1:32:10.080 --> 1:32:10.640 She didn't know? 1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:14.080 I mean I assume for obviously they do something for 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:15.439 her every yarm chirt because it's. 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:17.479 Lurshka right, like you got it. 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:23.240 Yeah, but it was she was very new, like she 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:27.040 was also crying, like you could see how much she cared, 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:30.040 which was really kind of obviously would send everyone over 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:30.400 the edge. 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:31.960 And we were all like, love a rank bite the en, 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:33.320 that's amazing. 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:36.680 Well, I'm sure they're like very like thankful that like 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:39.280 the show, even though I'm sure like a ton of 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:41.960 it is unrealistic, Like we read all the time in 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.840 the news about people that like leave evidence because they 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:47.360 saw something on SVU or like scratch someone to try 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:49.280 to get DNA because they saw it on SVU or 1:32:49.360 --> 1:32:50.880 like yeah, and then like what she does for like 1:32:51.439 --> 1:32:54.760 rape kit backlogs with her like nonprofit organization. 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:57.760 Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, like the awareness that 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:01.759 it generally brings to the whole terrible topic. 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:05.479 Right, things that happen were people? Wow? 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:07.920 I feel like we were we just got a private 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:09.200 invitation to that birthday party. 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:10.680 I'm very excited to hear about it. 1:33:10.840 --> 1:33:13.519 I know, right, and toldly I had been dressed better, 1:33:13.600 --> 1:33:15.360 but I was looking like a drugged. 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:19.680 Out Were you a heroine a boy at the birthday? Yeah? 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:20.360 No? 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:21.439 Wait? 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:26.120 What was your the pictures? Yes, it was What was it? 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:30.680 Matthew, Matthew, Matthew, Mattie, Matthew close. In case they call 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:32.360 you Maddie by accident, we can be like, oh his 1:33:32.439 --> 1:33:33.120 name is Matthew. 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:33.439 Wow? 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:34.080 Got it? 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:34.360 Yeah? 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:35.439 Wow? 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:38.160 Any any other like nuggets from the set? 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:41.960 Did you have to interface with Iced Tea or anyone else? 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:42.280 Fun? 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:46.280 Says I See and Coco are so fun. 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:49.560 They're they're actually maybe the most down to earth celebrities 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.320 I've ever come in contact with. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:54.840 Like, they're they're just genuinely so nice. 1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:57.080 I think we ended up sitting in like the hair 1:33:57.120 --> 1:33:59.560 and makeup trailer probably like four or five times, and 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.519 wed just talk for like an hour, just about like 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:04.559 random self. Like he was moving at one point and 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:08.599 he was just like rambling about the movers. He did 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.720 just give like a rundown of the show, you know 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:15.840 of like they have like what's called the creep team 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:19.280 because they have to go out and like so for 1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:22.320 the like the picture of me as a sex doll 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:24.799 that they put on the website or like there. 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.440 Was one up was it the first episode where. 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:30.160 They had a wall that was just pictures of me 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:33.200 from the men that were docking me. So they like 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:35.559 call that the creep team because they have to go 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:39.720 be from the perspective of the creepy people. 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:42.439 Of the creep team. Of course. 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:46.439 Yeah, and so he told me all about that, and 1:34:46.600 --> 1:34:47.400 I still. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:50.040 Caught up that you were just in the trailer with 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:52.599 ice and cocoa for hours, days at a time. 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:53.320 That's cool. 1:34:53.800 --> 1:34:57.599 I mean, he's just so nice. If you get him 1:34:57.600 --> 1:35:01.400 going on something, he'll he'll go. I think it also 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:02.840 helped that some of the time I look. 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:03.160 Like a boy. 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:05.559 So he was just like just. 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:06.240 Vibing with me. 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:10.960 Pandom man maandam man listens, Sonny, let me tell you 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:12.320 how this showler. 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:13.439 Yeah, I love it. 1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:16.120 I love I love them being described as down to 1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:18.880 earth because just like them on Instagram is like Coco 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:21.160 with like her butt out and like a g string 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:23.720 and they're just like living a fabulous life. And then 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:26.639 everybody's like, but they're in a down to earth. 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:28.360 It's not like they're in the Maldives. 1:35:28.360 --> 1:35:31.280 They're in Arizona in their bathing suits, like they're not 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:35.599 caring anywhere they're at. Like they're like at Atlantis with 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:40.560 Damon from Shark Tank, Like those are like they're nice vacations, 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:44.679 but they're like they are regular people in their choices 1:35:44.760 --> 1:35:47.080 somehow still because he likes on crustables. 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:49.679 You see Coco and she's like gorgeous, you know, she's 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:52.200 like a sports illustrated model, and so I don't really 1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:55.760 know what to expect because she's not gorgeous, you know. 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:58.320 And then she's just sitting there talking about like oh yeah, 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:01.880 with Chanel, we you know, like they don't really use 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:05.479 like childcare as little as possible because they're like, well, 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:09.599 we're giving the opportunity to like have this lifestyle feeling, 1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:10.920 so we want to take care of our kid and 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:14.000 see our kids much versus like having someone else take 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:16.519 her and I was like, that's so cool. 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.120 Yeah, so they see everywhere. 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:24.120 Yeah, yeah, she's everywhere. So sweet, she's on stage. And 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:27.639 you went to like a performing arts high school as well? 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:29.040 Yeah I did. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:33.160 Yeah, I went to uh Douglas standers in School of 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:33.439 the Arts. 1:36:33.439 --> 1:36:38.080 It's the performing arts high school in Florida. 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:39.040 Yeah. 1:36:39.080 --> 1:36:41.080 So I've been doing this for quite a while. 1:36:41.120 --> 1:36:43.559 Not that there's ay it's in Jacksonville, Florida, and not 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:48.639 that there's a ton happening in Jacksonville, but yeah, I've 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:51.040 been in the industry for for a bit. 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:55.439 I'd say, what's the most theater kid thing you ever 1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:57.360 saw in college or high school? 1:36:59.160 --> 1:36:59.360 Oh? 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:02.639 My god, not by can of worms. 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:06.880 I feel like, I mean, like I went to a 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:10.720 high school that was sometimes I think you run across 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:15.320 theater teachers in particular that got to be a little. 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:18.160 Full of themselves, I would say. 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:21.120 And so I remember this is when I was in 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:23.800 high school actually, but it was like, if you're not 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:26.200 reading a play a day, you're wasting my time and 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:28.720 we need to get out of my classroom. Like it 1:37:28.760 --> 1:37:33.760 was like we would have like workout Wednesdays because you 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:35.360 had to be like where we would just spend the 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:35.880 whole day work. 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:38.760 Now you had to be super fit so you could 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:40.759 dedicate your body to the work. 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:41.200 Like. 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:43.800 It was just a lot of that, I. 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:48.840 Would say, and just the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, just 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:51.479 like sacrifice everything a play a day. 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:52.400 It was a play a day. 1:37:52.560 --> 1:37:54.720 It's like such bad advice too, because I feel the 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:56.920 whole thing is like you need to live your life 1:37:56.960 --> 1:38:02.160 to be able to get material motivation, the emotions of things, 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:04.799 like you know, use for your scenes. 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:08.960 I would say most of my professional life has been 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:14.519 sort of learning the boundaries between like I would taught 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:17.719 to just give everything to the industry versus being like, okay, 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:20.840 some some things are for myself, like I can go 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:25.960 on a vacation or do things that don't necessarily that 1:38:26.000 --> 1:38:27.960 I'm not going to put on my special skills section, 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:30.120 but just because I like to play tennis or what 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:32.560 you know what I mean. And that was hard for 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:35.280 a while because growing up in that environment, you know, 1:38:35.600 --> 1:38:39.679 you're like, Okay, yes, I won't have any control over anything. 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:43.160 The director's god, you know, like all of that. Yeah, 1:38:43.960 --> 1:38:49.560 somewhat toxic mindset and starting out like you know, fourteen, 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:56.599 learning that takes a bit of deprogramming but it's funny 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:58.439 because as soon as I did that, though, that's when 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:02.719 I found it. Sess was like, oh when I became 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:06.800 more of a fully formed person versus just like that 1:39:07.240 --> 1:39:08.360 for acting. 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:14.000 Yeah, the work life balance, baby, yeah, exactly, so. 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:17.160 Coctic stuff anymore. 1:39:17.360 --> 1:39:19.599 Oh and the vocal res I remember. 1:39:19.720 --> 1:39:22.000 I remember being in middle school because I went to 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:25.480 a perform our middle school too, and like the girls 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:29.479 would carry around whiteboards the week of tech for the 1:39:29.560 --> 1:39:32.200 musicals because they were on vocal reth. 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:36.040 You were like dwelve but like so funny. 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:39.320 No, yeah, their steamers. They would be walking around at 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:39.880 lunch with. 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:44.000 It's like, You're vocal words are so new. I don't 1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:44.920 think you need to be on. 1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:52.840 Not like, yeah, tell people where they can see you, 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:53.559 find you. 1:39:53.640 --> 1:39:54.759 What you're doing next. 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:59.759 Yeah, we were talking a little bit. I can't announce 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:00.920 certain things yet. 1:40:02.000 --> 1:40:04.439 People can follow you on Instagram to follow your journey 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:06.240 from Mattie Flynn and beyond. 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:10.719 Yes, I mean he really killed it as Maddie. 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:13.960 I can't wait to you in the future. 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:14.719 So exciting. 1:40:14.920 --> 1:40:17.760 Yeah, it was so fun, I would say. 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:20.400 The only other TID that I have is so the 1:40:20.479 --> 1:40:23.599 reason that because I feel like so many viewers are like, 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:28.160 why it's this a big arc where because you've never. 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:28.519 Really done that. 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:31.599 At most they do like one maybe a part two, 1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:36.000 right and the gry Townson Show and our David Gratiano 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:40.880 he wrote it originally from what I understand, don't quote me, 1:40:40.920 --> 1:40:43.800 I guess, but you wrote it as a movie, like 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:44.799 an ask for your movie. 1:40:45.560 --> 1:40:48.200 I know it's pitched and it almost happened. 1:40:47.840 --> 1:40:51.360 But then they decided to work it into the season 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:55.120 so to preserve it, like the uh split it up 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:56.400 throughout the whole season. 1:40:56.520 --> 1:41:00.280 So it's essentially if you put it together, that makes 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:02.960 a lot of sense. That's a good tid, thank you. 1:41:03.360 --> 1:41:06.040 That's a really good good bed because it's the first 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:07.920 time that like they've done things where they've gone and 1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:10.559 revisited old things, but they've never been where it's like, 1:41:10.840 --> 1:41:13.519 why will Benson not get off of this Maddie girl. 1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:16.639 It's like we've ended so many cases with people missing 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:19.120 or not happy endings that like on the show where 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:22.680 she's not like obsessed and uh, it was interesting. I 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:25.320 was like some people online were trying to say they 1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:27.960 thought that it was like them wrapping it up like 1:41:27.960 --> 1:41:30.360 that Olivia Benson was going to get too invested in 1:41:30.400 --> 1:41:32.800 this one crime and then then it was going to 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:34.519 be over. I was like, I don't think so, Like, 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:36.040 I think the show is going to keep going on. 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:39.240 Honestly, the whole time I thought it was my dad. 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:40.960 I thought my dad was going to come count as 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:43.840 a villain somehow, but he didn't. He made it through 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:48.480 unscate well most except for family drama, small suicide. 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:52.360 Oh yeah, but yeah, like I was like. 1:41:52.280 --> 1:41:54.040 Oh, he's guilty, He's got to be guilty. 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:57.880 But yeah, wow, it just goes to show there's a 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:00.240 twist for everybody, even the people in the episode. 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:01.200 That's right. 1:42:01.600 --> 1:42:03.800 This has been so fun. Thank you for talking to us. 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:06.800 Thank you, Yeah, thanks for having me. You guys are 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:10.240 so funny. 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:14.400 Oh man, she was fun finding out that she was 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:17.160 the second guess. That's exactly what the words right out 1:42:17.200 --> 1:42:21.280 of my mouth. Fucking blew my mind, blew my mind. Yeah, 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:22.240 it is so funny. 1:42:22.320 --> 1:42:26.559 So, you know, I've been shooting this ultra low budget 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:30.479 movie and like it is just like a wild physically 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:32.479 what you have to do or like you're just kind 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:34.840 of like messed around with in such a funny way. 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:38.040 And I watched this Anne Hathaway life and outfits and 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:41.200 costumes for one of the magazine youtubes, and she's talking 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:43.600 about how she like tried on the astronaut outfit and 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:46.920 for Interstellar and was like, oh fuck, And then she 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:49.040 bought a forty pound vest and then was jogging in 1:42:49.080 --> 1:42:51.080 it for months to be like. She's like you, She 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:53.080 like everyone's nice to you and you get treated nice 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:55.160 and people bring you beverages. But she was like, you 1:42:55.200 --> 1:42:57.360 do have to be a little gritty. And I was 1:42:57.439 --> 1:43:00.760 just liking listening to that. Yeah, I've been laying on 1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:02.840 the floor and like covered in spray paint for a 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:05.960 while and in a coffin, and I was like, I mean, 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:09.800 I'm having fun. But it is just it's it's still 1:43:09.880 --> 1:43:11.960 it's fun to think about. I don't know or like 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:14.799 thinking about The Revenant. It is it is a gritty 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:17.320 it's like glamorous or whatnot, but it is kind of 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:21.400 gritty in its day to day. Yeah, and and her 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:23.280 having to be made into a sex stall with her 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:25.479 little eyeballs is fucking crazy. 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:28.840 Yeah, so crazy. No, Actually, Jared and I just shot 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:32.639 a short last week. We would a married couple and 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:36.360 it was a stretch are you dressed as theirselves or no, 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:40.040 it was our own wardrobe. So this so it was 1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:44.080 basically like we're a couple. It's I don't I don't 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:45.000 want to give anything. 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:46.800 Away about it, I guess because like, oh my god, 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:49.200 look at all themis is kind of silly, but we 1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:49.759 are married. 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.559 We use our own wardrobe and our own wedding rings. Actually, 1:43:52.920 --> 1:43:54.200 but it's just so crazy. 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:54.680 It was. 1:43:54.760 --> 1:43:57.000 It's probably six minutes long, and it's a full day 1:43:57.000 --> 1:44:00.360 of work, like it was. So we were so tired afterwards, 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:04.040 and we were like we were mostly sitting around on barstools, 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:04.639 you know what I mean. 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:06.040 Like, but it is like tiring. 1:44:06.240 --> 1:44:08.200 And how many people have we talked to that We were like, 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:10.240 how long were you lying in that puddle of blood for? 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:12.560 And they're like hours, Like when we were talking to 1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.559 Anthony Rapp and he was like, yeah, Christopher Maloney like 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:17.320 let me lie in blood for hours. 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:18.120 I know. 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:21.360 But I'm usually annoyed when people talk about it, you know, 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:25.280 because it's not that bad, but it is, it's like 1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:27.760 more annoying. And the way Anne Hathaway talks about it, 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:30.519 I just liked more than anyone else. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:32.640 Shade to our guests. I guess that was rid of me, 1:44:32.880 --> 1:44:37.479 but well, you just have to be a little bit, yeah, can't. 1:44:37.479 --> 1:44:39.720 She just was cute. She's just such a theater kid. 1:44:39.800 --> 1:44:41.600 I guess Anthony rap is too. I don't know. 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.559 I guess I just really love Anne Hathaway and I 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:47.680 love that she so many people are dressing like the 1:44:47.680 --> 1:44:48.639 Princess Diaries. 1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:49.320 It's coming back. 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:51.160 You know, people hated her for a while, and I 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:53.599 think she's all blast beloved again. 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:56.800 She has had one of the biggest rebounds in terms 1:44:56.800 --> 1:44:57.320 of image. 1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:00.920 Well no, no, you're we're in the era of Lindsay 1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:02.120 Lohan two point oh yes. 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:04.400 So I don't know if you can even fucking say. 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:07.200 True, But I'm talking about like Lindsay Lohan kind of 1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:09.479 earned it a little bit, like she was a wild 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:12.519 party animal like Anne Hathaway was. Just no one liked her. 1:45:12.560 --> 1:45:15.080 They just didn't like her. She didn't really do anything wrong. 1:45:15.400 --> 1:45:18.479 Everybody was just like speech. It was just like one 1:45:18.520 --> 1:45:20.400 speech and everyone was pissed. 1:45:21.080 --> 1:45:21.439 Yeah. 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:24.760 So, but she talks about that Oscar outfit on this 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:25.760 Vogue thing. 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:29.640 Oh really, Yeah, I guess I just mean, like for 1:45:29.720 --> 1:45:32.640 people to just wildly dislike her for very little and 1:45:32.680 --> 1:45:33.760 now everybody loves her. 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:35.320 It was just like a big pendulum swing. 1:45:35.920 --> 1:45:39.120 Lindsay Lohan to me has actually had like some tumultuous 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.960 personality things go like personal life stuff go on. 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:45.360 But yeah, well do you remember that Anne Hathaway also 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:52.160 was like raw, like her ex was a criminal. Yeah, 1:45:52.280 --> 1:45:56.479 her ex was like a fraudulent maniac and like something. 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:59.120 You know, So I think it was during that time too, 1:45:59.200 --> 1:46:02.280 or that doesn't coming back to me because she was 1:46:02.320 --> 1:46:04.320 like a lot happened during this time and I don't 1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:06.360 want to get into it and it can't just be 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:08.320 like people didn't like you, and I'm like, oh, this 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:11.600 could have been the fraudulent era as well. We're just 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:14.120 lucky to have her, Kirsten Dunce, We just like really 1:46:14.120 --> 1:46:15.760 have some great girls. 1:46:16.360 --> 1:46:17.879 Yeah, we got some good girlies. 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:19.559 We've been when we've had them for a long time 1:46:19.600 --> 1:46:22.840 and we're gonna have them for a lot longer. But 1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:25.479 what is our I mean, our post mortem? Obviously this 1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:29.320 is just the first episode of this arc, Like there's 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:34.840 obviously more Maddie going on after this episode, but it 1:46:35.240 --> 1:46:38.200 definitely made a lot of sense that she explained to 1:46:38.280 --> 1:46:40.120 us that it was like supposed to be a movie 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:42.519 kind of, you know, because a lot of times you 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:45.840 were like, why are they so white? Like, I don't know, 1:46:46.120 --> 1:46:48.559 Benson's in and out twenty five seasons, day and day 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:50.760 out seas the most horrible shit ever, and and it 1:46:50.760 --> 1:46:52.920 doesn't always like stick with her and like she could 1:46:52.960 --> 1:46:56.320 not stop with the Maddie And I'm glad we kind 1:46:56.320 --> 1:46:57.160 of got to the bottom of that. 1:46:57.320 --> 1:47:02.160 But well, I think it's also because she let her go. Yeah, 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:06.200 but you drove by her on the street. It's kind 1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:11.000 of wild, like now learnt to follow your wild moment. 1:47:11.400 --> 1:47:13.439 Oh my god, Barbarian is crazy. 1:47:13.680 --> 1:47:17.920 Okay, I cannot wait to lay in bed tonight and 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:20.360 read all the articles that came out what a year 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:25.160 and a half ago. But seriously, you know, things come 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:27.040 to you when they can. I was finally brave enough. 1:47:27.080 --> 1:47:31.280 I've been watching so many horror things lately that I 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:35.200 finally got brave enough. Yeah, you really had like a spooktober. 1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:37.439 You really like went for it with a lot of 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:38.920 these horror movies. 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:39.639 It's great. 1:47:39.800 --> 1:47:43.400 Yeah, you know, I yeah, yeah, I'm in the spirit. 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:46.200 I'm in the spirit. Well, see when it shifts. I mean, 1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:49.439 I'm excited for Christmas as well, Jared just told me. 1:47:49.479 --> 1:47:51.920 He goes, I have a thriller for us to watch 1:47:51.960 --> 1:47:53.439 that I think you would like. I go, okay, he goes, 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:56.360 First of all, it's Dutch. I go, ah, like, I 1:47:56.360 --> 1:47:58.000 don't know, Dutch. You're losing me. 1:47:58.640 --> 1:48:02.400 I will watch foreign films, but Dutch. I don't know. Sorry, 1:48:02.439 --> 1:48:04.920 no offense to my Dutch because of the down the 1:48:05.000 --> 1:48:06.599 language or what. I don't know. 1:48:07.160 --> 1:48:09.400 Yeah, it's like it's it's kind of like a German 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:11.599 sounding language. I don't know, it's like not but I'll 1:48:11.600 --> 1:48:12.800 probably watch it and get used to it. 1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:15.920 Who knows. Let's move on to what would sister peg do? 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:19.559 I am a justin long fanatic, like I am, It's 1:48:19.560 --> 1:48:22.760 it's I am. I've I finally is he still going? 1:48:22.840 --> 1:48:25.240 Is he still with Kate Bosworth? Yeah, they're engaged. Just 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:27.439 you also Sean White, you know, I went through that 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:28.479 snowboarding moment. 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:30.839 He is engaged to Nina Dobrave. 1:48:31.200 --> 1:48:38.120 Okay, Princess Vampire Diaries. Yeah, finally they're finally engaged. They've 1:48:38.120 --> 1:48:40.080 been together a long time and I follow their relationship. 1:48:40.080 --> 1:48:43.479 They're they're both like Daredevil's They're always just kind of 1:48:43.520 --> 1:48:46.880 doing something fun and wild in the nature. 1:48:47.360 --> 1:48:49.759 And she used to go out with s v alum 1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:55.120 Ian smolderholder as you call him. Yeah, okay, let's get 1:48:55.120 --> 1:48:57.320 into what would Sister Peg do? Our weekly segment where 1:48:57.320 --> 1:49:01.400 we direct you guys towards an organization, an article, a book, 1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:03.479 a documentary, something to give you more info about what 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:06.000 we talked about today and today this week we wanted 1:49:06.040 --> 1:49:09.839 to point you to towards the Polaris Project. Polaris Project 1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:12.760 is a survivor center, justice and equity driven movement and 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:16.639 human trafficking. They operate the US National Human Trafficking Hotline, 1:49:16.680 --> 1:49:19.840 connecting victims and survivors to support and services and helping 1:49:19.840 --> 1:49:24.040 communities hold traffickers accountable. They have also built the largest 1:49:24.080 --> 1:49:27.760 known data set on human trafficking in North America. And yeah, 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:31.080 with everything that Maddie goes through in this arc, I 1:49:31.160 --> 1:49:36.400 figured this was a good organization to talk about how victims, 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:40.560 you know, move past this trauma. And for more information 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:44.080 and to donate, go to Polarisprojects dot org. 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