Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 1: now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is January twenty first, twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 2: are officially ninety three days away from the NFL Draft
Speaker 2: in Green.
Speaker 3: Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Draft Show presented by Miller Light. We've
Speaker 2: got Zach Wolchuck, Bryan brought us, Tommy Yarsh, Bobby belt On,
Speaker 2: Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 3: We're excited to get rocking this week because we.
Speaker 2: Are now in the final countdown to All Star Games.
Speaker 2: You've got the Shrine Game coming up this week, You've
Speaker 2: got the Senior Bowl next week. Why you Chucklinzachly, I.
Speaker 4: Just feel like we're doing this. Chris Collins were a
Speaker 4: slide thing with that. We're staring at a camera though,
Speaker 4: Bryan and I are flipping back around. It's like, whoa,
Speaker 4: it's the sliding moment. It's just it is a bit awkward,
Speaker 4: but we're doing the best we can.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: Remember we're guests here. Okay, whatever they ask us to do.
Speaker 3: We do. Hey, I'll get coffee for you.
Speaker 7: They tell you to take your shoes off at the
Speaker 7: front door, whatever you do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, absolutely, just don't take them off in here, please,
Speaker 2: that's don't worry. Don't do that. Yeah, we've had some
Speaker 2: some episodes in the past. No no, no, yeah, so
Speaker 2: now turn back that way. Just look back at the
Speaker 2: camera and that's just turned back this way, and then
Speaker 2: it's all good to go. It's all ready to rock.
Speaker 2: See that's easy.
Speaker 3: That's like really good that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, your eye discipline, they all
Speaker 7: really good.
Speaker 2: Change of direction.
Speaker 4: Definitely lacked the long speed, but the explosive first step
Speaker 4: quickness is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach woldschup. Explosive is what I've had all the
Speaker 2: way through.
Speaker 3: That's the first one I've ever heard that in my life. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whatever, All right, going into this week, cowboys still without
Speaker 2: a head coach, still without a staff, and uh yet
Speaker 2: we've got shrine bul practices in the Dallas Fort Worth
Speaker 2: Metroplex starting in Denton on Saturday. Brian, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of intrigue around what direction the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: going to go. Uh, just kind of give us an
Speaker 2: outline of where they're at on this point.
Speaker 3: What is the coach from the draft standpoint? Oh, from
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 6: Mark, No, I mean, like you said, we've we've kind
Speaker 6: of talked about how you know, you get the scouts
Speaker 6: back together, you have cross checks. We talked about player
Speaker 6: nine that potentially could be a guy that maybe doesn't fit.
Speaker 6: You need to figure out, Okay, who are the coaches
Speaker 6: they're interviewing. Front office is it's going to let you
Speaker 6: like listen and we're leaning this way. If he takes
Speaker 6: a job, this is the kind of stuff we're going
Speaker 6: to have to deal with.
Speaker 3: So you just got to be ready.
Speaker 6: You're really kind of on alert right now, and it's
Speaker 6: really everything is going forward. You're still evaluating players, you're
Speaker 6: doing your cross checks, you're putting your list together. Uh,
Speaker 6: you're just kind of making a plan for them. When
Speaker 6: this switch flips, then you've got to be ready to
Speaker 6: go with the players and have them. These players that
Speaker 6: I'm talking about player nine are players that have already
Speaker 6: been evaluated, but they've been given the designation of they're
Speaker 6: not our type, but now they might become our type.
Speaker 6: So reports are done that way. You just have to
Speaker 6: make sure that those guys get integrated into the system
Speaker 6: and if anybody has that a grade maybe high enough
Speaker 6: to get them on the board for Jerry Steven, Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, for the new coach to be able to
Speaker 6: talk about that's what you have to make sure that
Speaker 6: you're doing right now. So it's really everything full board
Speaker 6: we've got. We've actually didn't they play a Polynesian the
Speaker 6: Polynesian All.
Speaker 3: Star Games, Yeah, the Hula Bowl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there's there's scouts out there actually hitting these
Speaker 6: All Star games as well any any place that they're
Speaker 6: playing football and taking heights and weights and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: These guys are out there doing it. So uh, nothing
Speaker 6: has changed from that aspect of it all. But just
Speaker 6: like the you're just a little bit anxious about, Okay,
Speaker 6: is it going to be a coach that we're familiar
Speaker 6: with or is it a coach from the outside. It
Speaker 6: appear to me though you're kind of talking about some
Speaker 6: guys that maybe you're more familiar with that maybe you
Speaker 6: have an idea of how those guys will scout with you.
Speaker 2: And a couple of those names, I mean, one of
Speaker 2: them was interviewed this past week and Kellen Moore, the
Speaker 2: current offensive coordinator with the Eagles. You might have to
Speaker 2: wait a little bit for that one, depending on how
Speaker 2: they do in the NFC title game. Another one that's
Speaker 2: kind of gotten some recent steam Bobby is Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 2: within the building offensive coordinator past week. Does that change
Speaker 2: a whole lot from a draft standpoint if he's the coach?
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, if you've got it. I think the
Speaker 7: two big candidates we keep hearing a ton about right now,
Speaker 7: or you know, they've interviewed Kellen Moore, They've got Brian
Speaker 7: Schottenheimer here already. So this scouting department has worked with
Speaker 7: both of those coaches back for so there's an understanding there.
Speaker 7: The other thing I think is it's the famous Bill Parcells.
Speaker 7: You know, if I'm gonna cook dinner, you got to
Speaker 7: let me buy the groceries. Not every coach is that way,
Speaker 7: but the reality of it is, I think these scouts know, Okay, fine,
Speaker 7: we're gonna do our work, We're gonna put in our
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna do our evaluations everything else. Like that.
Speaker 7: When the coach gets in here and tells us, hey,
Speaker 7: I need an onion, I need a tomato, I need that.
Speaker 7: Then what Then those scouts go, Okay, I've already evaluated.
Speaker 7: Where's it? Where's the season eight? Over here? Where's the paprika?
Speaker 7: All right? I can get you that. I can get you.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go through my evaluations and when you tell
Speaker 7: me what you want, I'll tell you all right, here
Speaker 7: are the guys. Then, these are the guys that fit
Speaker 7: what you're asking me.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you a question, Bobby.
Speaker 6: And you're really plugged in on all these stuff with scouts,
Speaker 6: coaches and all that. How much do you think these
Speaker 6: scouts want a coach that is going to roll up
Speaker 6: sleeves and get involved or do they want a coach
Speaker 6: that is going to let them bring players to them?
Speaker 6: Like I wish to tell coaches, listen, I don't call
Speaker 6: third down defenses, but I could find you a guy
Speaker 6: that could stop somebody on third down.
Speaker 3: So how involved?
Speaker 6: As you know this group very very well, how much
Speaker 6: do you think they want a hands on coach as
Speaker 6: opposed to a coach that's gonna let them cook?
Speaker 7: I think they. I think in general, most personnel people
Speaker 7: across the league that I've talked to, they all want
Speaker 7: coaches who are involved. They want coaches who are gonna,
Speaker 7: you know, hey, go do the work.
Speaker 6: But how about the guy that walks in and and
Speaker 6: and undoes ten months of work like an opinion or
Speaker 6: a phone call?
Speaker 7: Do you do you want somebody who gets dropped in
Speaker 7: on the process and goes like, well, I'm gonna go
Speaker 7: to war with you on this player right now. No,
Speaker 7: but like it's it's easier. Like for instance, we always
Speaker 7: heard everybody in this building universally loved dan Quinn. Dan
Speaker 7: Quinn would always go put in the work. I don't
Speaker 7: think dan Quinn was ever gonna be a bully with
Speaker 7: his opinion or anything else, but there there was a
Speaker 7: respect factor there of just okay, well, well Dan seeing
Speaker 7: these guys he was at.
Speaker 2: The combine, he was pro There's a difference between actually
Speaker 2: going boots on the ground.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work a player and he was going to
Speaker 3: see a play and stad like him.
Speaker 7: And he was And Will McLay does a fantastic job
Speaker 7: of Hey, coaches, communicate the type of things that you
Speaker 7: like and the type of things you want. Make that
Speaker 7: clear to the staff here, and then the staff is
Speaker 7: going to use their talent and their their you know,
Speaker 7: evaluation abilities to go find all right, you want a
Speaker 7: receiver who who's really to the change of direction? All right, well,
Speaker 7: well my guy will go find it for you. Just
Speaker 7: make sure you're clear about what you need, what you need,
Speaker 7: and I'll go in there do it. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 7: there's definitely a respect factor. They're just put in the work.
Speaker 7: I think Brian Schttenheimer is a guy who's considered too.
Speaker 7: He puts in the work with us, and he goes
Speaker 7: on pro day trips and he's involved and respects what
Speaker 7: we do, and we respect what he does. And it's
Speaker 7: a nice blending.
Speaker 6: That's I appreciate that about Jason Garrett because this old
Speaker 6: man being a scout. Sure, you know, I never got
Speaker 6: to scout with Jason, but I would appreciate a guy
Speaker 6: like that. It's a coach working and working in the
Speaker 6: building with somebody that respected the scouts. I think the
Speaker 6: scouts respect the coaches. I don't think they always get along.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've been in places where coaches and scouts
Speaker 6: don't always get along, and that's kind of a tough
Speaker 6: way to operate. But you're going to disagree on players.
Speaker 6: The only problem I had with the coach was don't
Speaker 6: come in here and watch two games and tell me.
Speaker 3: About this player.
Speaker 6: You know, if you're going to study the player, if
Speaker 6: you're going to I remember with Drew Henson when way
Speaker 6: back in the day, Sean Payton still up there and
Speaker 6: told the group with Bill Parcells, Jerry Jones, this guy
Speaker 6: can't play. Sean really studied him. Sean went through it,
Speaker 6: Sean went through the process. The scouts fought him on that.
Speaker 6: But that's where I really started respecting coaches is their ability.
Speaker 6: Andy Reid was the same way, John Gruden, the same
Speaker 6: way these coaches that work there's will's got to know
Speaker 6: the coaches that can scout and the ones that can't scout.
Speaker 6: That's that's the really the key here is he gets
Speaker 6: his staff together. He needs to figure out very quickly
Speaker 6: who can do personnel stuff and who can't. You don't
Speaker 6: want the ones who can't do personnel to ruin it
Speaker 6: for the scouts who were going out there and living
Speaker 6: on the road.
Speaker 7: Which coach was the worst scout you ever.
Speaker 3: Worked to a name?
Speaker 7: And still they just like, yeah.
Speaker 6: I just remember meetings. I just remember meetings that where
Speaker 6: you would sit there and like if Andy Reid had
Speaker 6: an opinion, if Andy Reid had an opinion. I remember
Speaker 6: Ron Wolf, the Hall of Fame general manager, would go, Okay,
Speaker 6: let's move that, let's adjust like that. In the offensive line,
Speaker 6: it was a lot different. Didn't have didn't maybe move
Speaker 6: the board like we did. We're supposed to. You have
Speaker 6: to prove that you can evaluate. Don't go in there
Speaker 6: and screw the scouts up. Mike Zimmer and I went
Speaker 6: at it one time. You know, one day Mike Zimmer's
Speaker 6: fighting for a guy and the next day he doesn't
Speaker 6: fight his hard. I said, you're effing up the scouts
Speaker 6: right now. You can't do that.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 6: If you're gonna fight, go fight, but don't don't flip flop,
Speaker 6: you know, and you're messing up the scouts.
Speaker 2: That's probably why he was five and twenty eight as
Speaker 2: a head coach back in the past.
Speaker 6: Oh he was, you know, he hes our offensive line
Speaker 6: coach with Green Bay Packers, won.
Speaker 3: A Super Bowl with the guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but but Tom Levatt was not a very
Speaker 6: good evaluated the pick.
Speaker 7: Larry Allen.
Speaker 6: Nah, the doctors told us that, and I and Ron
Speaker 6: Wolf reminded our team doctor doctor McKenzie. Every week, Hey,
Speaker 6: when we play the Cowboys, see that number seventy three.
Speaker 6: He's going to kick our ass today. They see you
Speaker 6: know that guy that you failed is going to kick
Speaker 6: our ass.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 2: Anytime we can dig deep into Brian's past and have
Speaker 2: him Like you said, C four Bridge, I'm always.
Speaker 7: For Oh gosh, on time, Michael Irvin came up and
Speaker 7: he went. We drafted Terrell Buckley. We never should have
Speaker 7: done that. He was so short. We couldn't use some
Speaker 7: of it. He gets like regret. Would you ask him?
Speaker 6: Troy Vincent, Troy Vinson was actually a better player when
Speaker 6: you play. When you play in a cold weather city
Speaker 6: and you draft a player from Florida State, it's a different.
Speaker 6: Living in Green Bays different. Troy Vincent went to school
Speaker 6: at Wisconsin. They weren't any good, but Troy Vincent was
Speaker 6: a better player because he was bigger, he was tougher,
Speaker 6: and he was used to playing in cold weather. Think
Speaker 6: about that when your scout, think about who you're drafting
Speaker 6: and how it's going to affect that. That quarterback at
Speaker 6: Buffalo perfect, He's perfect for Buffalo craft. He played with
Speaker 6: the Laramie Wyoming Trust me, I've been there. I got
Speaker 6: my ass kicked there War Memorial Stadium. Yeah, trust me
Speaker 6: that that right there is perfect conditions for him to
Speaker 6: be great in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons why you should have picked it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Last night, the college football season officially came to a
Speaker 2: closed Notre Dame and Ohio State meeting in the National
Speaker 2: Championship Game. Congrats to the Buckeyes getting done thirty four
Speaker 2: to twenty three the final score. They pretty much dominated
Speaker 2: that whole game. Notre Dame did what they could to
Speaker 2: get back in it, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: NFL draft talent on display in that game. Tommy, you
Speaker 2: wrote an article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com that's up
Speaker 2: right now if you want to go read it about
Speaker 2: some of those exciting different individuals, different draft prospects that
Speaker 2: were on display. Did any of them stick out to
Speaker 2: you Before we get in to a little bit of
Speaker 2: vier at that, I want to go Mono Emano with
Speaker 2: these draft prospects.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, Ohio State, from top to bottom I think is
Speaker 8: littered with draft talent. I mean, you heard all the
Speaker 8: talk coming into college football this year. This is a
Speaker 8: twenty million dollar roster and all that, and they got
Speaker 8: so many of their guys who would have been top
Speaker 8: draft prospects last year to return, and I think that
Speaker 8: was really big for.
Speaker 3: Them, the whole damn defensive line. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: And speaking of the defensive line, that's what I talked about.
Speaker 8: TYLERK Williams, the big defensive tackle there in the middle,
Speaker 8: I thought, had a pretty good game. He was the
Speaker 8: guy where I was talking with Nick Harris about him.
Speaker 8: At first, I was like, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 8: sold on this TYLERK. Williams kid and the college football playoff,
Speaker 8: He's completely changed my mind. Really powerful in there on
Speaker 8: the inside. Great plug, welcome to the good side. Yeah,
Speaker 8: great plug and up space against the run, and he
Speaker 8: did a good job of just collapsing the pocket I
Speaker 8: think to close out the season two and then they've
Speaker 8: got the pair of edge rushers and Jack Sawyer and JT.
Speaker 8: T really really talented guys there. But I know a
Speaker 8: lot of the talk has been on the offensive side
Speaker 8: of the ball for Ohio State. I've obviously got that
Speaker 8: freak show and Jeremiah Smith. He's not draft eligible until
Speaker 8: twenty twenty seven, so that leaves you with Quinn Shawn Judkins,
Speaker 8: Trevion Henderson and a Mecho Buca. Three guys that I
Speaker 8: talked about. Judkins six touchdowns in the last four games
Speaker 8: the season. In the College Football Playoff, he played really
Speaker 8: well Henderson. You know, they kind of have that thunder
Speaker 8: and lightning to him. I think are sonic and knuckles
Speaker 8: is what it was in Detroit.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 8: Judkins is that physical, finished through contact, get through a
Speaker 8: couple of guys on the ends, and we saw him
Speaker 8: do it last night. But he doesn't have that explosive
Speaker 8: speed to finish big runs. And he had a seventy
Speaker 8: yard last time he got caught. Should have been a touchdown,
Speaker 8: but he got he got hawked down from the end.
Speaker 8: And then Henderson is the exact opposite you saw against
Speaker 8: Texas when he shattered my heart into a million pieces
Speaker 8: at the end of the first half, caught a screen
Speaker 8: pass and went seventy five yards to the house. So
Speaker 8: a lot of interesting things there. And then a guy
Speaker 8: who I think is one of the better route runners
Speaker 8: in this class and a mecha Buca kind of has
Speaker 8: always been that second option at his time at Ohio State.
Speaker 8: You think of the guys in front of him, JSN
Speaker 8: Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison junior, and now it's Jeremiah Smith,
Speaker 8: but just very savvy in his routes, does a good
Speaker 8: job in zone coverage of finding the gaps and getting
Speaker 8: up quarterbacks. So a lot of really intriguing guys.
Speaker 3: Had a big last night.
Speaker 8: Big fumble, Yeah, they changed the course of the game.
Speaker 8: But also just a really good play by Notre Dame Punch.
Speaker 6: So with all those get their offensive lineman too. By
Speaker 6: the way, Simmons Jackson.
Speaker 8: We could talk about their roster for thirty more.
Speaker 6: Jackson, the fact that he, yeah, the fact that he
Speaker 6: moved from guard out to tackle when they had all
Speaker 6: the injuries to Simmons and stuff like that. So you know,
Speaker 6: I thought maybe that that was going to be a
Speaker 6: little bit of a liability. But man, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 6: Jackson Simmons is still the tackle, is still my favorite
Speaker 6: tackle on the board. But we need to see doctor Cooper.
Speaker 6: You know, medical has to improve. But Donovan Jackson did
Speaker 6: a hell of a job. You watch the Oregon games,
Speaker 6: the Texas game, stuff like that. This kid played very
Speaker 6: very well.
Speaker 4: Denzel Burke the corner had himself a really good game.
Speaker 4: And that's somebody who is freshman year. What was really
Speaker 4: really high and on the radar, and I think now
Speaker 4: might be a day too early day three pick, depending
Speaker 4: on where you're looking at him. But Denzel Burke I
Speaker 4: thought played a really strong game last night as well,
Speaker 4: and he struggled.
Speaker 8: He's had his fair share of struggles then yeah too,
Speaker 8: so good way to close out the air. And I
Speaker 8: know Nick and I have been on the Davis and
Speaker 8: Igbuenosan train's physical and very well.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he's he can get a hobby.
Speaker 8: He has nineteen penalties this season, so the train is
Speaker 8: screeching a little bit. But at some points too. I
Speaker 8: kind of like that with corners. Yeah, where they're physical
Speaker 8: because you can you can teach them to be better
Speaker 8: about the penalties, but if it gets to be an
Speaker 8: excessive issue, that's that's when it's a problem. So that's
Speaker 8: my biggest question mark on Edwinolson. But like you said,
Speaker 8: there's some stuff to like there with him too.
Speaker 7: I think if you are going physical corner though, like
Speaker 7: it better be like like Dallas is a fine spot
Speaker 7: for it right now. Most defensive back coaches will tell
Speaker 7: you like I can, I can coach handsy play out
Speaker 7: of somebody it's not a quick fix. Like most defensive
Speaker 7: back coaches that I've talked to have said, like, if
Speaker 7: you're talking about a grabby corner, a little over physical,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna need a couple of years of assurances that
Speaker 7: we're going to be in a comfortable spot here. I've
Speaker 7: got time to work with this guy. If I don't
Speaker 7: have time to work with this guy last year, for instance,
Speaker 7: I don't know if al Harris wanted to work with
Speaker 7: an overly physical young corner, Like does he want to
Speaker 7: necessarily work with a guy like that and try to
Speaker 7: coach some of that out of them? They might have
Speaker 7: some cursiony. No, not Carson specifically. I'm saying some of
Speaker 7: the other corners that would have been I think they
Speaker 7: may have shied away from it. If it's like saying
Speaker 7: we don't necessarily have the time Melton, Yeah, we may
Speaker 7: not have the time to work with somebody like Melton
Speaker 7: right now. If we're talking about, hey, we need guys
Speaker 7: who can help us right now, that's going to take
Speaker 7: a little bit of time for us.
Speaker 6: Has anybody seen one Yea Thomas's brother play.
Speaker 7: I saw him. I have not watched him play out.
Speaker 7: I saw him work out there.
Speaker 6: Okay, well I'll keep I'll keep it to myself then
Speaker 6: until you guys see him playing.
Speaker 3: Yes, did you like him?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's He's like I watched him work out, but
Speaker 7: he's kind of very impressed, kind of a grabby, you know.
Speaker 6: But he could really really run. He's physically plays a
Speaker 6: lot of press coverage stuff. I talked to a team
Speaker 6: because I was curious about this. Let me let me
Speaker 6: hold on that. We'll talk about corners one day. Because
Speaker 6: I want you guys to see him. I want to
Speaker 6: be able to watch.
Speaker 7: I heard, I've heard, and I've heard a lot of
Speaker 7: really good behind the scenes stuff with him that'll be.
Speaker 3: Really in quality guy quality.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he is. He is, like we'll wear a captain's patch.
Speaker 3: When he's that's exciting to hear.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: With all that being said, and kind of sticking with
Speaker 2: the National Title game theme, I've got a little this
Speaker 2: or that set up from some of the big names
Speaker 2: out of that game last night, Let's start with the
Speaker 2: running back position. Since they were so close throughout the season.
Speaker 2: The Sonic and Knuckles, as Tommy just outlined, but Traveon
Speaker 2: Henderson and quin Shawn Judkins from Ohio State. Both guys
Speaker 2: from Ohio State. Henderson wore the number thirty two, Judkins
Speaker 2: were the number one last night, Zach, do you have
Speaker 2: a preference out of the two running backs.
Speaker 4: I think Tommy you did a great job describing, Hey,
Speaker 4: you've got a breakaway home run threat in Travon Henderson
Speaker 4: who can finish runs. And then you've got quin Shon Judkins,
Speaker 4: who I do think when it comes to route running
Speaker 4: down the field as a running back might have an
Speaker 4: improved skill set over Henderson, but Henderson's also very capable
Speaker 4: in the receiving game. I like the speed of Henderson.
Speaker 4: That's why lean Henderson over Judkins. I think this team,
Speaker 4: specifically from a Cowboys lends you need that. You had
Speaker 4: Rico Dowdell, and maybe you're able to get Rico back.
Speaker 4: But Rico similar type of runner to Judkins in between
Speaker 4: the tackles, plays behind his pads, always falling forward, has
Speaker 4: the ability to get yard after contact. But to me,
Speaker 4: I watch a Trevion Henderson, I think he's got more
Speaker 4: of that grain, that game breaking element for him. Very
Speaker 4: balanced three down players, start stop quickness. I think he's
Speaker 4: a little bit more patient allowing his blocks to set up.
Speaker 4: That's something with Quinn Shawn Judkins that I think he's
Speaker 4: just a little bit too fast. He wants just ram
Speaker 4: it in there, runs behind the butt of a guard
Speaker 4: and next thing you know, maybe he leaves a little
Speaker 4: bit of meat on that bone. I think Henderson shows
Speaker 4: a little bit more patience to allow things to develop
Speaker 4: in front of him. So I leen Henderson, But Judkins
Speaker 4: is one of those guys. This dude in the red
Speaker 4: zone area short yardage, has a nose for the end zone,
Speaker 4: much like Zeke and other Ohio State Buckeye I think
Speaker 4: both are going to be good players in the next level.
Speaker 4: I mean Judkins at all Miss dude Ti duce McAllister's
Speaker 4: record with fourteenth career one hundred yard games his tape
Speaker 4: actually in twenty twenty three, I thought maybe even more
Speaker 4: impressive at Ole Miss. You watch him against Texas A
Speaker 4: and M. He absolutely dominated that game. But I kind
Speaker 4: of lean right now. For me, I like the speed
Speaker 4: of Henderson, which gives me an edge there over Judkins.
Speaker 3: Henderson in the second, Judkins in the third for me.
Speaker 2: Now, has Judkins officially declared, I know, no, he's not.
Speaker 2: So he's got until the twenty fourth with the National
Speaker 2: Championship Game deadline extension, so he could come back. He
Speaker 2: could return, but we're gonna just pretend like they're available
Speaker 2: going in.
Speaker 7: I think Judkins is a good player, but like I'm
Speaker 7: with Brian, I haven't there. I think there's definitely a
Speaker 7: gap between those two because to me, it's just not
Speaker 7: it's not only the game breaking element that exists with Henderson,
Speaker 7: but it's kind of what Zach was just talking about there.
Speaker 7: With Henderson, it's that it's the patience, it's the natural
Speaker 7: feel for running the football, and the way to set
Speaker 7: up his blocks and the way that he's able to
Speaker 7: kind of anticipate where the hole is opening up and
Speaker 7: set up defenders. I think he's really really advanced in
Speaker 7: that sense. The biggest thing with Henderson for me is
Speaker 7: just it seems like as soon as he gets contact,
Speaker 7: he's going down like that's a big Here's there's not
Speaker 7: a lot of breaking big runs after contact. It's just
Speaker 7: where he's gonna have an ability to really break something,
Speaker 7: as usually it's either just the speed getting around the
Speaker 7: corner or it's going to be just the patients of
Speaker 7: setting things up and finding traffic and weaving through it.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Yeah, real quick, he did you
Speaker 3: say Henderson contact.
Speaker 7: Problem Henderson and I don't see a lot of great
Speaker 7: contact balance, No, Henderson. I don't see a good contact
Speaker 7: bounce with Henderson at all.
Speaker 3: He had six hundred and six yards after contact.
Speaker 7: See I see like what I see him with is
Speaker 7: the way that he runs through traffic and the way
Speaker 7: that he navigates is good. I don't see a guy
Speaker 7: who breaks through very.
Speaker 3: Well average four and a half yards to carry after contact.
Speaker 2: How many broken tackles did he end up having?
Speaker 7: Let's see, that's again exactly what are we talking about?
Speaker 7: With contact or like contacts? Those are different things to me,
Speaker 7: and those are defined differently. So after contact can be
Speaker 7: as little as when you're going through an area. If
Speaker 7: you are, if you are like brushed, it's there. I
Speaker 7: don't see a guy who like fights through tackles.
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find something on it.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Tommy about the two I think
Speaker 2: we're kind of.
Speaker 8: A group consensus here on Henderson Judkins.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised. I thought, I don't think Bobby
Speaker 3: and I are in the same page second.
Speaker 7: Round, But no, we're on the same page. Terms and well, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: skill set, we love you definitely.
Speaker 8: I don't think I don't think Henderson is like Derreck
Speaker 8: Henry in terms of the ability to break through contact.
Speaker 3: But I don't think I think it's not more than serviceable, right, you.
Speaker 8: Know, I think the speed aspect of it gives him
Speaker 8: the edge over Judkins. You know, when it comes to Henderson,
Speaker 8: I think the I think it's sophomore year that he'suffered
Speaker 8: an injury and people kind of forgot about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's had some problems with that, Yeah.
Speaker 8: And that is something to keep an eye on. But
Speaker 8: he's still been extremely productive the course of his college career.
Speaker 8: He scored forty two touchdowns. He's averaged six point four
Speaker 8: yards of carry throughout his entire career. And the great
Speaker 8: thing about the pairing with Judkins is kind of some
Speaker 8: of that weight was taken off of his back this season.
Speaker 8: He had one hundred and forty four carries in the
Speaker 8: longest football season in college football history. So you know,
Speaker 8: you come in with a little bit fresher legs in
Speaker 8: this process as supposed to four straight years of being
Speaker 8: the belcow, which is what it looked like during his
Speaker 8: time in Hilo. State, So I thought he closed out
Speaker 8: the year really well. I think, like you guys mentioned that,
Speaker 8: the speed factor kind of changes things for me in
Speaker 8: terms of Henderson not the best catcher out of the backfield,
Speaker 8: but I think he can. He can get the job done.
Speaker 8: He had twenty seven catches for two hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: four yards in a touchdown this season.
Speaker 4: They're fun to watch together the way Chip Kelly used them,
Speaker 4: unselfishness between both players blocking for each other. I mean
Speaker 4: there were some times you saw Judkins kind of lead blocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for totally hours. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do think both could improve in pass protection though,
Speaker 4: But Judkins is a guy he'll kind of throw his
Speaker 4: body in there. I think Henderson chose a little bit
Speaker 4: more technical. I think Henderson's a square block. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't think Judkins, to me is a guy. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to call him a liability, but it's not as
Speaker 4: clean as it needs to be.
Speaker 2: Just found the mistackle numbers on both guys. Just for
Speaker 2: a comparison purpose.
Speaker 3: Let's put Bobby in a body back.
Speaker 2: So Judkins had one hundred and ninety three carries just
Speaker 2: over one thousand yards on the season. He had forty
Speaker 2: four missed tackles. So throughout the season, five and eighty
Speaker 2: seven yards after contact, Henderson had one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: five carries, so right around the same over one thousand yards,
Speaker 2: right around the same. He had thirty seven miss tackles forced,
Speaker 2: but six hundred and forty three yards after contact, So
Speaker 2: it kind.
Speaker 3: Of aligns with both. They both missed for some miss tackles.
Speaker 2: They both had some opportunities, but it looks like when
Speaker 2: Henderson was able to get touched.
Speaker 7: That's a that's the thing. When he breaking the tackle,
Speaker 7: Henderson's got speed carry it further. Judkins breaking through tackles
Speaker 7: is not going to pick up the same yard after contact.
Speaker 7: That's why it's different to me. But in general, like
Speaker 7: I don't think Henderson's just awful. I just see too
Speaker 7: often it's like, all right, Henderson goes down as soon
Speaker 7: as he's wrapped up. There's just not a lot there.
Speaker 7: It's the patients and it's the vision. It's the ability
Speaker 7: to kind of weave through things that I think is
Speaker 7: bigger check mark in his favorite rather than a genty,
Speaker 7: you know, breaking through a bunch of arm tackles.
Speaker 3: Nobody does it better than gent.
Speaker 6: I want to see what you guys, Harvey from a
Speaker 6: Central Florida fan. I haven't watched him yet break Yeah,
Speaker 6: breaking tackle with Devin Neil little bowling ball out of
Speaker 6: Kansas as well.
Speaker 4: I saw somebody throughout the Bucky Irving comp like he
Speaker 4: could be this year's Bucky Irving.
Speaker 3: I'm not against that. I do love me some Devin
Speaker 3: Neil at Kansas.
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty had more broken tackles than Judkins or Henderson
Speaker 2: having carries this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scotch, I think we're not talking.
Speaker 7: About sketty that guy. That guy's awful. We're not We're
Speaker 7: not talking to we're talking about it.
Speaker 6: We're not talking Does anybody watched Sampson from to see.
Speaker 3: I I've seen some of him. I haven't done a
Speaker 3: few a full.
Speaker 7: Time on Samson, you guys, I've not watched I've not
Speaker 7: watched a lot of players. I've not watched full game
Speaker 7: Sampson yet. I've watched cut ups on Samson. I saw
Speaker 7: Samson in person. I've not I've not watched Samson full
Speaker 7: games yet, but I I mean I liked him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, I haven't watched a full evaluation to him yet, though.
Speaker 8: I watched Samson a little bit I didn't think he
Speaker 8: was as great between the tackles. Uh huh, but I
Speaker 8: saw good explosion getting on the outside and the speed.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I was the biggest fan. Maybe
Speaker 8: I need to watch a little bit more.
Speaker 2: No, if you don't like him, you don't like him.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's okay, Tommy. Do you think he's
Speaker 2: done better than Jalen Wright? Go and dig a grave
Speaker 2: for you know? I love Jalen Right.
Speaker 6: The thing about this guy is like that saying I
Speaker 6: he played against a lot of really good defenses and
Speaker 6: was very very productive and to me, I mean his.
Speaker 3: He had a lot of mistackles. See.
Speaker 6: The problem was I was trying to get you guys
Speaker 6: to help me with him, because you're all telling me
Speaker 6: he's not any good. I I think he's good. I
Speaker 6: still think he's good. So I'm not listening to anything
Speaker 6: you guys are going to say.
Speaker 3: She's talking about Dylan Samson.
Speaker 6: Dylan Samson, Yeah, so tom watching. I mean, okay, Tommy,
Speaker 6: what else did you say about him?
Speaker 8: I put down he's a good outside run or not
Speaker 8: as impactful between the tackles, comes out of his gaps
Speaker 8: with good explosion. Sometimes got a little bit overwhelmed and
Speaker 8: pass protection. I think he's got the.
Speaker 6: I thought he was better inside than he was outside
Speaker 6: watching him run.
Speaker 7: So I'd actually asked somebody about it's good.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, that's how you saw him. That's cool.
Speaker 7: I asked somebody about Sam's recently and I got a
Speaker 7: I got a word about Tennessee guys in general, And
Speaker 7: I don't know how you feel about this. There's apparently,
Speaker 7: at least for some people, concerned of just like all
Speaker 7: right with the josh hipel like you know, spread looks
Speaker 7: that they get and everything kind of being spread out
Speaker 7: in lighter box and stuff like that that Tennessee skill
Speaker 7: guys can sometimes be difficult evaluations that there's questions about
Speaker 7: just like how much are they just being put in
Speaker 7: position to succeed because of some of the different light boxes.
Speaker 6: Aren't they but they're like they've done more of like
Speaker 6: the are a physical team running the ball?
Speaker 7: They're physical, But I mean in terms of like the
Speaker 7: way they spread out their formations of different things. They
Speaker 7: do get lighter boxes a lot of times, and so
Speaker 7: there's questions I think about, just all right, how much
Speaker 7: is there a benefit from scheme systems set up like that.
Speaker 7: And when you look at some of the different Tennessee
Speaker 7: guys that have come out skill position wise recently, Tillman, Valen,
Speaker 7: these different guys like that, Jalen Like there's questions about
Speaker 7: how much is it tough impacting?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Jalen Hyade you just saw open downfield all
Speaker 4: the time when you watched him play. But that so
Speaker 4: far has not translated in the NFL. And that might
Speaker 4: also be. Hey, he's playing for the Giants and there's
Speaker 4: a big quarterback problem there. But Jalen Hyatt so far,
Speaker 4: my evaluation was wrong on him. I had him much
Speaker 4: higher two years ago in the draft, thought, hey, top
Speaker 4: of the second round, I'd be very interested in Jalen Hyde.
Speaker 2: And he has not had production at the NFL level
Speaker 2: now now he hasn't really done much a whole lot.
Speaker 2: Who was the one that out of YouTube with Samson
Speaker 2: that talked about pass blocking?
Speaker 3: I did you thought about it? It was a little such
Speaker 3: he does back? No, No, he does.
Speaker 6: He's absolutely right about that passlock. I'll fight him on
Speaker 6: anything else. Yeah, I mean he's right about.
Speaker 3: I bet I got a back that you haven't watched.
Speaker 4: Todge Brooks from Texas Tech's watched him, I have not
Speaker 4: watched Okay, best pass blocking back in the draft. He's
Speaker 4: also lateral ability through the roof.
Speaker 3: And we'll get to see if the East West shrine
Speaker 3: ball todge Brooks.
Speaker 4: If you want a guy, if you want to wait
Speaker 4: till day three, maybe even yeah, sign me up for
Speaker 4: todge Brooks from Texas Tech. Now that's also got not
Speaker 4: a burner kind of rico doubt less. Right, he's not
Speaker 4: going to beat anybody with his long speed, but super
Speaker 4: productive three down player. He didn't come off the field
Speaker 4: at Texas Tech. I think he played like ninety five
Speaker 4: percent of their offensive snaps. I think he broke all
Speaker 4: their like rushing rerecord. Yeah, the work, he is fantastic.
Speaker 2: The gosh, who's the guy that was Denver running back
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago? Real wide cat Philip Lindsay.
Speaker 7: No Williams.
Speaker 2: Maybe he it was wide running back who his best
Speaker 2: traits are going side to side Monty ball and then
Speaker 2: hit it. Yes, Monty ball, That's what I'm taking. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's who I like. I like that guy. That is
Speaker 2: who whenever I see todge Brooks, that's who I remind
Speaker 2: reminds me.
Speaker 3: Of hits the gap. Well, he waits for blocks to develop.
Speaker 4: He runs behind pack light, a big lower body, powerful runner, good.
Speaker 3: First step, but the closing speed's not there. The finishing
Speaker 3: speed he gets tracked down from behind.
Speaker 2: I liked how will Tommy outlined it with Ohio State
Speaker 2: hawked down from behind.
Speaker 3: He gets that every once in a while.
Speaker 2: But if he gets open field, you're gonna get twenty
Speaker 2: thirty yards out of him, and he's going to continue
Speaker 2: to just chip away at an offense. He needs to
Speaker 2: be in an offense that's allowing him to be a warhorse.
Speaker 2: That's where he's got. Yeah, he gets better the game
Speaker 2: goes on, Yes he does. He's a very good fun player.
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Speaker 2: There you go, Thank you guys. All right, first question, uh,
Speaker 2: what position of need will most likely most easily be
Speaker 2: addressed in free agency? What you see exactly so that
Speaker 2: you can continue to draft other positions. This comes from jam.
Speaker 6: I answered that question myself on Twitter because I knew
Speaker 6: you probably weren't gonna go to it.
Speaker 3: You didn't think I was gonna go through.
Speaker 6: I didn't think you're I reached out to the moment.
Speaker 6: If you look at Twitter, I answered the okay, here
Speaker 6: let me and that's why I asked him I said.
Speaker 3: What's what's what's free agency?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was going to go to it. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what's free agency? With a smiley face. It's got one
Speaker 2: hundred and eleven likes and four retweets are already there.
Speaker 2: You go, well, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 6: Honestly, they've got they've got so many. I don't think
Speaker 6: they really going to play in free agency at all.
Speaker 6: I just don't. Yeah, don't figure their their version of
Speaker 6: free agency is going to be to try and sign Lewis,
Speaker 6: to try and sign Osa, to try and sign Golston,
Speaker 6: if they fact can do that.
Speaker 7: Their their history says, if they're going to sign a
Speaker 7: position to get a veteran in here and and cover
Speaker 7: over some deficiencies, that's typically receiver. So they'll go look
Speaker 7: at James Washington, they'll go get Randall Cobb, they'll go
Speaker 7: get Brandon Cooks. So if they need a if they
Speaker 7: need something to just kind of cover their bases a
Speaker 7: little bit, receiver, it is historically been one they'll do.
Speaker 7: But in general, they they tend to go to the
Speaker 7: bargain bin and we'll sign free agentcy just about all
Speaker 7: their positions that need just to go, well, at least
Speaker 7: we have somebody there if we get shut out in
Speaker 7: the draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to me, it's it's going to be they're going
Speaker 6: to draft first and then kind of figure out what
Speaker 6: they need from there, just like I say, bottom fishing,
Speaker 6: exact exactly what they're gonna do. And they're gonna hope
Speaker 6: that they find Carl Lawson and you know, guys like that, that's.
Speaker 3: What they're gonna hope. Super exciting.
Speaker 2: Guys. Love this conversation, all right.
Speaker 3: I didn't think picked the question, That's why I answered it.
Speaker 2: Kind of along the same lines, but not at the
Speaker 2: same time. Chase on Twitter asked if you could only
Speaker 2: get three starters from this draft in your first three rounds,
Speaker 2: so rounds one through three, what position groups would you
Speaker 2: put those starters at and why if you were guaranteed
Speaker 2: a starting spot with your first three picks, what would
Speaker 2: those three position groups be?
Speaker 7: Oh, wide receivers one of them for sure for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, wide receiver, running back, defensive tackle. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I was thinking d tackle or.
Speaker 7: Corner, wide receiver, running back guard.
Speaker 3: You have to go second, No, I D I kind
Speaker 3: of like.
Speaker 7: What I kind of like what the skeleton crew is
Speaker 7: showing you on the offensive line at the end of
Speaker 7: the year, like I, I mean, I think that there
Speaker 7: are there is where I got more questions right now.
Speaker 7: I think if you're going to move on from from
Speaker 7: you know, if Zach Martin's going to end his career
Speaker 7: he moves on or whatever else. I think that there
Speaker 7: was some encouraging things that you saw in the interior
Speaker 7: there with Tyler brought off and Bby you've got bass linebacker.
Speaker 7: I have hope that Terrence Steele is going to be
Speaker 7: able to bounce back with a new coaching staff. That's
Speaker 7: that's my hope. And and a left tackle. I mean, look,
Speaker 7: we talked about this at the time. Tyler Goeyiton wasn't
Speaker 7: necessarily ready to go right away. That's why we were
Speaker 7: talking about the doga as a possibility. I still have hope,
Speaker 7: and I think there were enough flashes in there to
Speaker 7: me that I say I'm I'm going to bank on.
Speaker 7: I think a second year jump is reasonable at this
Speaker 7: point for Guiden. I I still think that I'm not
Speaker 7: nearly as out. Actually, I think I know there's a
Speaker 7: lot of people who have.
Speaker 3: Seen to tackle that gets pin. Fix that and you'll
Speaker 3: probably have a pretty good tackle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think a solid option as well. I liked what we
Speaker 3: saw from Austin.
Speaker 7: Swing tackle sure, so like I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 7: it's perfect, but I do have more questions that do
Speaker 7: you have enough bodies at defensive tackle right now? Do
Speaker 7: you have enough running back? Do you have enough at receiver?
Speaker 7: So i'd probably say those three spots.
Speaker 2: You said linebacker, Brian, do you think you need a
Speaker 2: starter at linebacker?
Speaker 6: I think And there's questions about when over overshown is
Speaker 6: probably not coming back till December, right what do you
Speaker 6: have behind that right now?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 3: You have nothing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to figure outs media foul and
Speaker 2: that's I would.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised at forty four that they find
Speaker 6: a linebacker at the second round pick.
Speaker 4: If you like kid, if you hot Campbell's there, I'd
Speaker 4: be throwing a party.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Campbell will be there, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that might be. You might have to go
Speaker 6: around early. These linebackers so far, I mean it's it's
Speaker 6: been a pretty thin group of the I think I've
Speaker 6: studied eighty one players so far, so I mean it
Speaker 6: would be a little bit of a that's a hard
Speaker 6: one to do, but you don't. Maybe that's where free agency.
Speaker 6: I know we were kind of just joking around with
Speaker 6: free agency, but maybe that's a position they're going to
Speaker 6: have to go out and address, you know, maybe the
Speaker 6: bottom fishing that we talk about.
Speaker 2: They did that with Eric Hendricks last year, like they
Speaker 2: went and signed a guy. Ye if they've signed some
Speaker 2: veteran linebackers in the past. What do you think your
Speaker 2: three positions.
Speaker 8: I'm with Bobby in the line of thinking on the
Speaker 8: offensive line of you know, I think that you can
Speaker 8: work with what you've got and I think, like you said,
Speaker 8: a reasonable expectation is for Tyler Guiding to be better
Speaker 8: in year two. So if that's the case, and running back,
Speaker 8: defensive tackle, and corner. For me, I think that you've
Speaker 8: got you know, deep rooms in each of in all
Speaker 8: three and kind of depending on where you take them,
Speaker 8: you can get a you know, a pretty solid player
Speaker 8: out of any of the three. I think, you know,
Speaker 8: at twelve, I would still be a fan of John A.
Speaker 8: Barron from Texas cot if that's the pick. Yeah, right,
Speaker 8: just because I think so much of this running back
Speaker 8: class that you can wait till the third round, I
Speaker 8: think to get a quality guy.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Tommy. Last year, we said
Speaker 6: they needed a running back.
Speaker 3: Yep, and what did they do. They never took a run.
Speaker 3: They waited, they never took a right, They got wiped.
Speaker 2: Didn't even get close to it.
Speaker 6: Actually, we are we do we trust them to when
Speaker 6: we asked them to take a running back, to them
Speaker 6: to take a running back.
Speaker 8: I think in this class, yes, I think so.
Speaker 6: I thought the last year's class was pretty damn good too,
Speaker 6: you know, and they didn't take a running back.
Speaker 7: I think they got I think they get cute. No,
Speaker 7: I think that board just I don't think they anticipated
Speaker 7: quite the run in the fourth round that hit. I
Speaker 7: think they thought somebody would get to them in the
Speaker 7: fifth round and then it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: I want to trust them to take a running back
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the run two years ago, because they were really
Speaker 2: I mean, they were high on Johnson out of Texas,
Speaker 2: they were high on Charbonnay out of U. C.
Speaker 14: L A.
Speaker 3: They had some guys that.
Speaker 2: They were looking at two years ago and it just
Speaker 2: dried up on them and they weren't able to take
Speaker 2: the guy Henry ended up taking Deuce Vaughan in the
Speaker 2: sixth Yeah, that's the that's the run that I keep
Speaker 2: going back to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so if you go look at, for instance, last year,
Speaker 7: the Trey Lance pick that got traded to San Francis.
Speaker 7: In the immediate aftermath, right after that pick, the there.
Speaker 3: Was just this run by Irving.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, it was, it was I'm trying to
Speaker 7: remember what it was, was Bucky Irving, it was Grendo,
Speaker 7: and then there was one more in there. It was
Speaker 7: I can't remember Sean Lloyd, but it was so right
Speaker 7: after the pick, it was Bucky Irving. Then two picks
Speaker 7: later it was Will Shipley, then it was Ray Davis,
Speaker 7: then it was Isaac Garend. It was four running backs,
Speaker 7: and so those are four running backs who I think
Speaker 7: they would have been interested in looking at in the
Speaker 7: fifth round. And so I don't know that they totally
Speaker 7: anticipated there was going to be just a wipe like
Speaker 7: that at the end.
Speaker 4: Okay, if Ryan Schottenheimer ends up being the head coach,
Speaker 4: there's no question they they they take a running back
Speaker 4: in the first two days they do, they don't have
Speaker 4: one on the roster right now, So I mean, Enrico
Speaker 4: might have ended up playing himself into a contract that
Speaker 4: is too rich for you to be able to bring back.
Speaker 3: So you have to have a running back.
Speaker 4: And I mean looking at this class, I mean, I
Speaker 4: know we talked about Jen there's a lot of hype.
Speaker 4: Now Gent might go as high as eight to the
Speaker 4: Bears because of the Ben Johnson hiring there. Maybe he
Speaker 4: wants to go and get his Jamior Gibbs and that'd
Speaker 4: be pretty scary. So maybe it's not at twelve, but
Speaker 4: maybe it's in the second round. You're looking at is
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson. There is a Marion Hampton, There's Trevon Henderson there,
Speaker 4: and those could be options. But I don't see them
Speaker 4: coming out of the third round and not having a
Speaker 4: running back.
Speaker 3: I hope you and Tommy are right. I do. I mean,
Speaker 3: but last year it was very clear.
Speaker 6: Do you think the fact that with Ezekiel Elliott that
Speaker 6: was their ace and the whole thing, and I remember.
Speaker 3: We talked about that on a terrible like that was
Speaker 3: a fallback option?
Speaker 7: I hope do you want do you want him to
Speaker 7: show some a little John Schneider to him and.
Speaker 3: Just John John overtrafts running backs.
Speaker 7: John Snider's gonna take a running back in the top fifty.
Speaker 6: Every year John had ten picks, and they all could
Speaker 6: be running backs. He'd be super happy.
Speaker 3: But I just like to say I would like to
Speaker 3: see them.
Speaker 6: I would like to see them put some some emphasis
Speaker 6: on this. I'm not asking them to take genty in
Speaker 6: the first yeah, but I'm asking them if he gets
Speaker 6: the second, third round, give me the Well, he's the
Speaker 6: same as uh, you know, this is this He's a
Speaker 6: lot like Rico Daddle. I don't know, man, every one
Speaker 6: of these backs I've seen, and I respect Rico Daddle,
Speaker 6: but every back that I've seen on this board, I
Speaker 6: would take over Rico Daddle. Yeah, every one of them.
Speaker 8: And if you wait till the second and you take
Speaker 8: Caleb Johnson, your set.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 8: If you if that's your second round pick.
Speaker 3: I think you're good. Yeah. Yeah, I just I don't
Speaker 3: know if they're going to do it or not. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You know, Uh, there's there's they've waited too long before,
Speaker 2: and I've done I've done work with with Jeff Cavanaugh,
Speaker 2: who's a Draft Show veteran.
Speaker 3: Fan, and he he traded he traded back twice and
Speaker 3: and getting all these picks and still didn't get all
Speaker 3: the positions. Still, oh there's too many positions.
Speaker 6: That means still traded back twice and still can grab
Speaker 6: a receiver.
Speaker 3: Couldn't you know?
Speaker 2: That might answer this next question to Peter asked because
Speaker 2: of the amount of holes on the Cowboys roster.
Speaker 3: He's not the only one to asked this question.
Speaker 2: Is there a position group where you'd feel comfortable doubling
Speaker 2: up doing running back spots?
Speaker 3: Definitely feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: Don't get one early, get one late?
Speaker 7: What do you consider doubling up? So typically when I
Speaker 7: hear of double dipping, I don't think of like throwing
Speaker 7: a dart at the back end of the sixth or
Speaker 7: the seventh. I think of that as just your going talent.
Speaker 7: So when I think double dip, I think you take
Speaker 7: you take a woozy A in the second, and you
Speaker 7: take Jordan Lewis and the third like they did that year.
Speaker 7: So I think more like am I taking two of
Speaker 7: the same position in the top five?
Speaker 3: I'd say through the top five? Yeah, top five rounds
Speaker 3: is pretty safe. Bet those are premium picks.
Speaker 7: For the most part, I don't know if I could
Speaker 7: two defensive linemen I could be convinced of two defense
Speaker 7: a lot. I don't know about two edge two tackles,
Speaker 7: but I could be convinced to two defensive linemen have
Speaker 7: flex and can do some different things. I might be
Speaker 7: depending on who it is. I might be convinced to
Speaker 7: take a Day one or Day two receiver. And then
Speaker 7: if there's somebody else you really like in the fifth
Speaker 7: or something like that, I could be convinced of that too.
Speaker 7: But those are the only positions that kind of stand
Speaker 7: out that.
Speaker 2: Would just leave holes elsewhere, like running back if you
Speaker 2: were going to do something like that.
Speaker 4: That's why it's so tough when you don't play in
Speaker 4: free agency, Like you've got to be able to fit
Speaker 4: this roster in some other ways. But if I'm looking
Speaker 4: at my edge in defensive tackles on the board, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a meaty position right there. I mean you're looking
Speaker 4: first second round, like if you don't. I am an
Speaker 4: advocate for Mike Green at twelve. I don't think that's
Speaker 4: too high for him. I think he is the second
Speaker 4: best edge. I think he could be a DeMarcus ware
Speaker 4: like pro I really do. I believe in Mike Green.
Speaker 4: I would take him at twelve in a heartbeat, and
Speaker 4: I think after he goes and kills the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: other people are probably gonna fall suit and be like
Speaker 4: this dude's a top fifteen pick. I think at twelve
Speaker 4: that's fine, and it's a premium position. You need edge help,
Speaker 4: you need defensive ends, but defensive tackle might be a
Speaker 4: great spot in the second round. Like Harmon, I think
Speaker 4: people are very different On. I think he's a first
Speaker 4: round cals Kauaier Oregon, Oregon. But if he falls in
Speaker 4: the second round, I'd be very excited. Like Kenneth Grant
Speaker 4: super athlete. I know Michigan defensive tackles that is PTSD,
Speaker 4: But if Kenneth Grant falls to you in the second round,
Speaker 4: that's a hell of a value.
Speaker 3: Pick, right there. Is he gonna fall to you in
Speaker 3: the second round? I don't think so. I think he's
Speaker 3: too good first not with fifteen first round grades on
Speaker 3: the board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean Walter Nolan, like, that's a dude,
Speaker 4: and I haven't been heard.
Speaker 3: I don't love him getting much.
Speaker 4: But in the third round, would you feel i'd feel
Speaker 4: good about in the third round?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I thought you were talking about forty four. No,
Speaker 6: he's gonna prove me way wrong. That kid will prove
Speaker 6: me way. Where's he out of old miss Yeah? Then
Speaker 6: in the A and M the Ohio State kid Williams.
Speaker 2: There was somebody who asked about Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 2: for Nolan, So, Brian, could you tell us about him
Speaker 2: a little bit?
Speaker 3: No, I can't, because I mean I can't.
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, come on. So you're saying he's
Speaker 7: third round, but you're not gonna say he's like a
Speaker 7: oh Soo Diggy Zua third round, or like Michael Gallup
Speaker 7: third round, John Cy, or like a day three Duran Glad.
Speaker 7: You're not getting those guys. You're just saying like this
Speaker 7: is a no.
Speaker 6: Transfer from Texas A and M. Two seasons with the
Speaker 6: Aggies for going to Oxford. He's done a decent job
Speaker 6: coming off the ball. There are times repeers quick and
Speaker 6: other times where he's a little slower. Good sized physician,
Speaker 6: good upper body as well as lower body mass, and
Speaker 6: the running game is strength is evident in how he
Speaker 6: can shoot his hands instantly and impact the blocker from
Speaker 6: getting off the ball. He's got a good grasp strength
Speaker 6: and he can control the offensive lineman and shed them,
Speaker 6: make a play, there's snaps, will get knocked around, some
Speaker 6: playoff balance, will get will quickly jump into gaps or
Speaker 6: slants and stunts. Has moments where he creates penetration in
Speaker 6: order to disrupt the play. Decent change of direction with
Speaker 6: the ability to adjust to the ball care as a
Speaker 6: passers who uses more power than he does quickness. Doesn't
Speaker 6: have many pass rush moves, but he will use his
Speaker 6: hands to try and push the blocker around. We'll struggle
Speaker 6: to keep his balance at times, like in the running game,
Speaker 6: he will get knocked around. Some can get to the quarterback,
Speaker 6: but will struggle to finish. Needs more consistency overall. That
Speaker 6: doesn't sound like a guy I want at forty four.
Speaker 3: I've got him in the third round.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's you know, and people are asking me and
Speaker 6: I have a chance to be really wrong about him.
Speaker 6: Him and those Texas A and M kids. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: know anybody that's played at Texas A and M. I
Speaker 6: already have a problem with.
Speaker 3: I mean, Shamar Stewart I threw in the third round too.
Speaker 4: I just didn't honestly, and I could be so wrong
Speaker 4: about Shamar Stewart from Texas A and M.
Speaker 3: But I didn't love what I saw there. I think, sorry,
Speaker 3: go ahead, No, you're good.
Speaker 8: I think you guys are wrong. On Walter Nolan, I
Speaker 8: really like this kid. I put quick and powerful. He's
Speaker 8: hard to block one on one as a knack for
Speaker 8: getting into the backfield, can kind of blow up run plays,
Speaker 8: collapse the pocket like we've talked about some guys earlier,
Speaker 8: kind of throws guys off of him sometimes. Sure, and
Speaker 8: but Brian didn't make a good point where there's there's
Speaker 8: some reps where I watch where he gets that initial
Speaker 8: push but then kind of gets knocked around, he doesn't
Speaker 8: drive his legs forward, gets cursed back as a result.
Speaker 8: I've got him in front of Kenneth Grant. I think
Speaker 8: he's the second best tackle so and that's and that's
Speaker 8: that's a compliment to Grant too, because I really like Grant.
Speaker 8: I think that you know what he can do at
Speaker 8: six three three and thirty nine pounds. I know that
Speaker 8: there's the trauma about the defensive tackles from mission.
Speaker 3: Both of these guys are really just.
Speaker 6: Throw it out the win. So Tommy, can I ask
Speaker 6: what games you watch? Did you put down what games
Speaker 6: you watched?
Speaker 3: Bunny?
Speaker 8: I watched a couple I didn't watch that didn't put
Speaker 8: down the exact ones that I've watched, but I watched
Speaker 8: a couple from his time at A and M and
Speaker 8: a couple from at Miss Okay.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: When Brian's outlining the cons to Nolan and what he brings,
Speaker 2: what doesn't give you that same pause? Why do you
Speaker 2: still put him as high as you do.
Speaker 8: I just think that his size, like Brian was talking
Speaker 8: about his upper body and how big he is up
Speaker 8: there and how athletic he can be with that frame,
Speaker 8: that's really attractive to me. I think that you want
Speaker 8: to see more of the motor on every snap from him,
Speaker 8: and those places where he doesn't just kind of I
Speaker 8: don't want to say give up on it mid play,
Speaker 8: but just kind of get pushed back after he gets
Speaker 8: good initial push. But I think I just think that
Speaker 8: there's a lot to like there and he can get
Speaker 8: after the pastor on like a delayed pass rush. We've
Speaker 8: seen that kind of increase in the NFL last couple
Speaker 8: of years. A good enough athlete to do that and
Speaker 8: has enough power to, like I mentioned, throw guys off
Speaker 8: of him.
Speaker 3: But you know, I can understand why Brian thinks the
Speaker 3: way that he does.
Speaker 7: I think people are I don't know, Brian, you may
Speaker 7: see too, just from some of the buzz that exists
Speaker 7: out there, that some of the athletic testing on Nolan
Speaker 7: might make you circle back on him too and want
Speaker 7: to do more, just because I think a lot of
Speaker 7: people look at at Nolan. I think he's gonna have
Speaker 7: a lot of people buzzing just in general about what
Speaker 7: kind of an athlete he is at the possession. There's
Speaker 7: a lot of people who go like, yeah, you can
Speaker 7: mold that.
Speaker 3: That's why I was expecting more quickness from him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got Sanders from South Carolina and Norman Lott.
Speaker 3: The hyphenated name, uh was my Norman lot Tennessee, Tennessee CE.
Speaker 3: He was a transfer from Arizona State.
Speaker 2: He's a Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I've got them ahead. Is Norman going
Speaker 3: the Singer Bowl? I don't believe. So it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 11: I do.
Speaker 8: I love Sanders from South Carolina as well.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I'm just you know, I like I say,
Speaker 6: I wanted to if you knew what games you'd watched.
Speaker 6: I was curious because I watched him play against LSU
Speaker 6: and Georgia, and that's where I got kind of my first.
Speaker 3: Initial Arkansas LSU Georgia. That's what I want you watch
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 2: Good Twitter on the twenty questions as always out there.
Speaker 2: Well I answer some more on Thursday as well when
Speaker 2: we come back. We talked about early offensive lineman on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Where could you get an offensive lineman in the first round?
Speaker 2: Who would you feel comfortable there? What happens if you
Speaker 2: don't go that direction and you take Ashton Danty in
Speaker 2: the like Bobby Belt wants to do. Let's do it
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Speaker 7: Just the way he moves across that clack.
Speaker 2: Smooth, good change of direction like I talked about, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Clay Court, what you're saying, we played Clay Court in
Speaker 3: this thing.
Speaker 7: Just in general, that's where he's That's where he's really strong.
Speaker 3: Oh is he slow? So surfaces?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 2: Is the click slower?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, Yeah, I think it's slow.
Speaker 2: Grasses grass is fast.
Speaker 3: Grass is fast. Clay is slow. You slide to the ball,
Speaker 3: the socks get you.
Speaker 2: You don't have shoes all torn up. Man, this is
Speaker 2: what the type of analysis you.
Speaker 3: Get offensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, because of the Dallas Open, the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 2: is actually taking place up at our neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: Zach Wolchuk up in the University of North Texas A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll be out there tonight.
Speaker 2: Practices will be up there on the starting on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and then we've got the h the actual bowl game
Speaker 2: at AT and T Stadium next Thursday. We're right here, everybody,
Speaker 2: We're right here. Plus uh, Tommy and I will be
Speaker 2: flying out to Mobile on Monday, so we'll be out
Speaker 2: there the whole week for for singa bowl.
Speaker 6: Uh getting Tommy's going to carry you that trip.
Speaker 3: Thank God, about time. We haven't been in a couple
Speaker 3: of years. And that's probably why they needed somebody to
Speaker 3: baby sit. Maybe his bad and then you're gonna carry
Speaker 3: my bags Tommy. Tommy's already prout donuts rookie party. I
Speaker 3: mean that's true.
Speaker 7: Bron Briant's just gonna be angry and and he's gonna
Speaker 7: be upset because he doesn't get to go to Senior
Speaker 7: Bowl or Combine. He's upset.
Speaker 3: It was upsetting.
Speaker 2: I don't blame him.
Speaker 7: We're gonna we're gonna bring you with us to the
Speaker 7: morning show next year.
Speaker 2: Brian.
Speaker 7: We're gonna make sure you're switched off.
Speaker 3: We need to have a show switch here.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys can go do baseball. We'll do the combine.
Speaker 2: There you go, no off.
Speaker 3: But he got on offense.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I got two dudes for you.
Speaker 2: These are not Day one offensive lineup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I think well, one of them might end up being
Speaker 4: pushed up because there's not a ton of great tackles.
Speaker 4: But I think they're both second round guys. I'll start.
Speaker 4: You want guard or tackle first, I'll go guard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wyatt Milem out of West Virginia. When we're looking for
Speaker 4: clean players in this draft, he's a clean player. Started
Speaker 4: thirty two to thirty six games at WVU, thirty one
Speaker 4: in a row. Iron Mountaineer Award winner didn't allow a
Speaker 4: sack or quarterback hit his junior season. Started eight games
Speaker 4: at right tackle as a freshman before moving to left tackle.
Speaker 4: So he's got that versus along the offensive line. He
Speaker 4: was a super high recruit coming out of West Virginia.
Speaker 4: Finishes blocks, he plays mean, really seems to understand the position.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, smooth lateral movement sinks his hips, plays
Speaker 4: with good pad level. You know, he's a guy that
Speaker 4: does play with two big old braces.
Speaker 3: On the knees.
Speaker 4: But I think now watching these offensive linemen, they're all
Speaker 4: playing with braces, so I'm not as scared by that.
Speaker 4: I think he can play tackle if he need him
Speaker 4: to at the next level. But I like him inside
Speaker 4: working in a phone booth. The combo blocks can be mean,
Speaker 4: working with a center, the tackle, the consistency there, I
Speaker 4: think that's something that lacks with a lot of these
Speaker 4: offensive linemen that you're watching this year. I don't have
Speaker 4: that question with Wyatt Milam, and I like the meanness
Speaker 4: in which he plays with big fan of him six six,
Speaker 4: three seventeen out of the West Virginia.
Speaker 3: I would take him and feel very good about it.
Speaker 4: But you're probably getting a guard if you want to
Speaker 4: tackle Arianta Ursery from Minnesota. Okay, he is all right,
Speaker 4: but I thought against Abdul CARTERI held his own so
Speaker 4: early on in that game. He's fighting for his life
Speaker 4: in pass protection. But he did a really good job.
Speaker 4: I thought of adjusting. He's able to move off the ball,
Speaker 4: drive him in the run game. I think he adjusted
Speaker 4: well to kick him wide to the quarterback and pass
Speaker 4: bro as the game goes on. But it's the physicalness
Speaker 4: in which he plays with, and he's got long, long arms.
Speaker 4: He's inconsistent with his hands, needs to get better there,
Speaker 4: and he can get sloppy with his technique, gets off balance.
Speaker 3: He had played football since I mean he only played
Speaker 3: football his junior year.
Speaker 4: Right right three year starter started the final thirty eight
Speaker 4: games of his career at left tackle.
Speaker 3: But you're right, he only started his junior year there.
Speaker 4: And he also track and field guy, shot put, discus, javelin.
Speaker 4: So he is a strong, powerful, mean streak. And that's
Speaker 4: probably the thing that I like about both these guys.
Speaker 4: They're nasty, they're people movers, right, I'm gonna knock you
Speaker 4: out off the football, and I'm gonna knock your nose
Speaker 4: in the dirt.
Speaker 3: And I like that for my offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: Nursery and mylem would be two guys I'd be very
Speaker 4: excited about in the second round.
Speaker 2: So you want you want Milam to move to guard
Speaker 2: right short, I like both of those opportunities.
Speaker 3: I think he could play tackle.
Speaker 2: I like him better as a guard to when we
Speaker 2: were watching Zach Frasier last year. You remember him the
Speaker 2: center who was just a road greater nail eater. I
Speaker 2: remember looking across and being like, man, who's this guy
Speaker 2: next to him? Just a couple spots down that's wearing
Speaker 2: the number seventy four, Like, who is this guy? And
Speaker 2: it was it was why a mile? And I agree
Speaker 2: with the strength. I think his pad level gets a
Speaker 2: little high at times. He kind of gets over the
Speaker 2: top a bit coming out of his stance, but for
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 3: Part, strong lower body, road greater as well.
Speaker 2: They ran the ball super well this year at West Virginia,
Speaker 2: really well, and I think he's more part of the reason.
Speaker 3: Why and the versatility he showed throughout his year.
Speaker 2: His years up in Morgantown certainly work out in the favor.
Speaker 3: Tommy, Who you got?
Speaker 8: I got Luke Candra guard from Cincinnati, six four three
Speaker 8: and twenty three pounds, spent his last two years. They
Speaker 8: are transferred from Louisville. This guy is an iron man.
Speaker 8: He played almost seventeen hundred snaps in his last two
Speaker 8: seasons with Cincinnati, did not give up a sack in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four. He's more technically savvy than he is
Speaker 8: just a straight power guy. But I think in the
Speaker 8: right scheme he can be a really good plug in.
Speaker 8: Played primarily right guard, but I think he can slip
Speaker 8: in anywhere on the interior and give you something in
Speaker 8: the late you know, maybe late day two or early
Speaker 8: day three. Kind of a value pick there. So give
Speaker 8: me Luke Candra Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Okay, six foot four three, twenty three Cincinnati native too
Speaker 2: went yeah, went back home.
Speaker 3: You got anybody, Brian, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I've got a couple of guys here that I really
Speaker 6: really like. I think I talked about Charles Grant from
Speaker 6: William and Mary last time I did this thing, But
Speaker 6: I want to I want to focus on another guy here,
Speaker 6: and I'm going to mess up his name because I
Speaker 6: always mess.
Speaker 3: Up these names.
Speaker 6: It's one of my favorite things to do. Ozzie Trapilo
Speaker 6: from Boston College. He's six seven three fourteen. This guy's
Speaker 6: got and this is going to kill him right here
Speaker 6: to you guys, this guy's got some Tyler Geidton in him.
Speaker 6: And I say this from watching his Oklahoma tape. But
Speaker 6: he's played a lot more games than Tyler gut And
Speaker 6: has played. He's played all the offensive line positions. He's
Speaker 6: got size, he's got linked, and he's got feet.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a shorter guy right only
Speaker 2: he said six seven three fourteen.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was yeah.
Speaker 6: But there's some snaps where he will bend at the
Speaker 6: waist because of how tall he is. But man, he
Speaker 6: will he will fight, and you know he loses sustained
Speaker 6: at times. But any block that involves movement, he is
Speaker 6: good to go reach block scoop blocks. He will find
Speaker 6: his way from the defender. I really do like this guy.
Speaker 6: He only has allowed two sacks and two seasons, but
Speaker 6: I think he's a really good pass blocker and he's
Speaker 6: developing as a run blocker. So but he's got some
Speaker 6: When you watch Geyton played at Oklahoma, he's got a
Speaker 6: little bit of that game to him, So keep that
Speaker 6: in mind when you're when you're taking a peek at him.
Speaker 6: And then also too, I I also one of these,
Speaker 6: uh Marcus Membo who's a guard from Purdue. He's a
Speaker 6: start and right tackle, and I think they're gonna probably
Speaker 6: have to kick him inside. He's a little bit of
Speaker 6: a smaller guy, but the athletic ability, the movement skills.
Speaker 6: Majority of his snaps are played a two point stance.
Speaker 6: Never saw him as hand on the ground, so I
Speaker 6: got to kind of keep an eye on that. But
Speaker 6: his hands are good and his feet are good, and
Speaker 6: there's some there's some snaps where he completely misses sometimes,
Speaker 6: but he'll scramble to replace everything.
Speaker 3: So I really do like him. Might lack a little.
Speaker 6: Bulk, but there's some really good toughness to his game
Speaker 6: what makes him ideal for that inside position. And I
Speaker 6: think that when you the more that he could play
Speaker 6: on the move, the better he can play.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 2: Look, just for name purposes, Trapillo Trapillo yep, okay, is
Speaker 2: what you've got there in the bound bow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to find him as well. Yeah, Bobby,
Speaker 3: you got any names?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: And this is one that I was trying to figure
Speaker 7: out early on if this is a guy that was considered.
Speaker 7: I don't have him in the first and I was
Speaker 7: trying to figure out if he was going to go
Speaker 7: on the first and I think some of what I've
Speaker 7: heard is that he sounds like he'd be more of
Speaker 7: a Day two option earlier in day two. But that's
Speaker 7: Tyler Booker, who I really like at Alabama. If you
Speaker 7: want to redo on the Osiris Torrence thing, to me,
Speaker 7: Booker is a guy like that. It's there's not a
Speaker 7: lot of great foot quickness. Athletic guys can give him
Speaker 7: some trouble at times, but you want to talk about
Speaker 7: power and somebody who can move like make space really quickly,
Speaker 7: play with a lot of power in past protection, even
Speaker 7: though he doesn't have great foot quickness, can get square,
Speaker 7: can handle guys work in that tight area. I think
Speaker 7: Tyler Booker's really impressive and a guy who, like you know,
Speaker 7: for for a guy who's a interior player and a
Speaker 7: big bullker player, he played, he's got a lot of
Speaker 7: really good length. He just doesn't have the foot quickness
Speaker 7: or the size, the nimbleness to be outside and play
Speaker 7: a tackle or anything like that. But I think on
Speaker 7: the interior, Tyler Booker would be a really good option
Speaker 7: in the second round.
Speaker 3: Player too, yeah, very real good.
Speaker 2: Do you think this team looks at the miss of
Speaker 2: Cyrus Torans at all, like like you talked about trying
Speaker 2: to redo there and go get some size.
Speaker 7: They probably don't. I don't know that. I don't think
Speaker 7: they look at it and go like because.
Speaker 2: That's I don't think it's the second time we've mentioned
Speaker 2: his name this year already.
Speaker 7: I think we probably look at it that way, or
Speaker 7: fans will look at it that way. I think the
Speaker 7: team has a tendency to say, these are our guys,
Speaker 7: these are the ones we had move. I don't know
Speaker 7: how much this team. I think they probably just think
Speaker 7: about Taco Charlton himself rather than in the context of
Speaker 7: t J Watt. I think they just think of the
Speaker 7: things that they the moves they made, rather than the
Speaker 7: ones they didn't.
Speaker 3: Uh it is just bow yeah, no, uh yeah, now
Speaker 3: due watch he's a good player, Mark bu.
Speaker 2: Buns, So there you go, Yeah, pal Buns. All right,
Speaker 2: that does it for us here on the Draft show.
Speaker 2: I hope you had some fun investigating and educating. Will
Speaker 2: be back on Thursday. To talk it through with you.
Speaker 3: Well, Tommy won't be here to argue with. No, he's here,
Speaker 3: Oh is he?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: I'll bring some more doughnuts. It'll be good.
Speaker 2: Don't bring the donuts delicious. Yeah, Zach Well brought us Tommy, Risch,
Speaker 2: Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yellmans.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next time on the Draft Show.
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