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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I remember so well

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Speaker 1: a new development straight out to John Limley, Crime online

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Speaker 1: to you in June and July, in terms of symptoms

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Speaker 1: or brief periods of invincibility, Remember that, Yeah, when I

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Speaker 1: was like driving to the gym and I could of

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Speaker 1: revolt invincibund in my car. Tell me about that, Um well,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't tell me in more than half a sentence.

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Speaker 1: Brief periods of invincibility would usually happen when I was driving,

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Speaker 1: So I go hold the speedlet invincibility and quite context

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Speaker 1: or that I couldn't be hurda in terms of having

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Speaker 1: an accident, during terms of bulletproof, or in terms of superhero,

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Speaker 1: any of those. Right after that, brief periods of Min's

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Speaker 1: ability come up. Actions are in hyper speed. Yeah, time

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Speaker 1: would seems to speed in d way. Tell me what

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Speaker 1: I would just seemed much? I was going places? Faster?

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Speaker 1: Anything faster? How much faster? Twice is fast? Twice is faster?

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Speaker 1: No faster than that? Not too hyperspeedi, I guess, And

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Speaker 1: you're getting it exactly what I was getting at. If

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Speaker 1: I watch a video at twice speed, it looks a

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Speaker 1: certain way, the movements are recognizable. You can figure out

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Speaker 1: what's going on, right, So it would still be the

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Speaker 1: one speed. What it would feel like the hyperspeed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: these audio video recordings just released. But how did we

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Speaker 1: get here? This is an ABC News special report. Least

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Speaker 1: fourteen dead, fifty injured. A lot of those injuries are

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Speaker 1: severe after a lone gunman opens fire in a theater

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Speaker 1: outside of Denver, Colorado, and Aurora. And we want you

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Speaker 1: to listen actually to this cell phone video that's just

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Speaker 1: now coming into the ABC newsroom. This will be the

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Speaker 1: first time that we've actually seen or heard this video,

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Speaker 1: So take a listen. I don't think we're not not

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Speaker 1: moving here. You can hear the penic and hear the chaos.

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Speaker 1: You can see kind of the folks scrambling to get

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Speaker 1: out of almost have been a horrible scene, and it

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Speaker 1: just brings back these memories of Columbine, It brings back

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Speaker 1: memories of Virginia Tech, these other mass shootings that the

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Speaker 1: country has seen in recent years, and just makes you again,

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Speaker 1: as always, wonder what could have been the motivation, Who

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Speaker 1: was this guy, why would he do this? And what

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Speaker 1: appears at this point again to be a very well

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Speaker 1: planned attack, not only because of this explosive device he

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Speaker 1: brought in, this cannist which reportedly could have been tear gas.

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Speaker 1: He came where it came with multiple weapons. He had

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Speaker 1: explosives allegedly back in his apartment. This was obviously not

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Speaker 1: someone who snapped almost spur of the moment. This was

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Speaker 1: someone who plotted this for whatever reason we do not

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Speaker 1: know just yet, but this was someone who deeply intended

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Speaker 1: to inflict harm and take life in so far he

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Speaker 1: was taken fourteen or you're in the third row, and

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Speaker 1: so was he as he's coming? Did he stand there

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Speaker 1: or does he continue to move the entire time? He

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Speaker 1: continued to move, But it was a few seconds before

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Speaker 1: he started to move, and that those few seconds were

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Speaker 1: when it took best to figure out that he wasn't joking,

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Speaker 1: because I did immediately think that he was joking. I

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Speaker 1: thought that the canister that he threw into the audience

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Speaker 1: was like a smoke bomb or like some firework. I

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Speaker 1: thought that the rifle was maybe like a Roman candle

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Speaker 1: that he was shooting off. And then I realized that

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Speaker 1: as you looked at the rifle, it wasn't a piece

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Speaker 1: of flame shooting from the barrel. It was the bullet

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Speaker 1: igniting out of the barrel. And did you then start

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Speaker 1: to ingest whatever was in that canister? No, he threw

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Speaker 1: it behind the lower section of the theater, so it

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Speaker 1: all much rose to the higher the lifted seats um

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Speaker 1: We were really really lucky to not get that in

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Speaker 1: our faces. Eventually traveled down, but at the very very end,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't as it was diluted at that point,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't as strong. Did you guys get any

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Speaker 1: injuries at all? Any nothing too big. I just have

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Speaker 1: scrapes and stuff, but nothing like. So you're in front

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Speaker 1: and there I mentioned, there aren't as many people that

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Speaker 1: are as close as you are. People usually sit back.

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Speaker 1: So are you witnessing? Are you seeing what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing people falling and people being injured? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If you as, if you looked back, you could see

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Speaker 1: all the people getting shot. I mean you could see

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Speaker 1: people falling, you know, down the stairs, people you know,

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Speaker 1: kids and women and children screaming. You could hear it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even though it was really loud and the

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Speaker 1: movie is still going and there's a lot of gunshots,

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Speaker 1: and it was really hard to tell what was happening where.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to looked back, you could

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Speaker 1: see at all. But I came my head down. There

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Speaker 1: was this one guy who was on all fours crawling.

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Speaker 1: There was this girl's spitting up blood. There were bullet

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Speaker 1: holes in some people's back, some people's arms. There was

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Speaker 1: this one guy who was stripped down to like just

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Speaker 1: his box series. It looked like he had been like

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Speaker 1: shot like in the back or something. It was. It

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Speaker 1: was crazy. I'd say we were out fifteen minutes in

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Speaker 1: and there was a chase scene where there was gunfire

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Speaker 1: on screen, and right then, out of nowhere, on the

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Speaker 1: right side of us, we just heard a low, very

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Speaker 1: distinct pop pop pop pop, and you know, my wife

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Speaker 1: jumped and I kind of sat there. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's probably just really good special effect, you know, sound effect,

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Speaker 1: because my wife said, no, that's really distinct. She said

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Speaker 1: that a man about six feet tall, taller than her

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Speaker 1: kicked through the door and he was in a like,

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Speaker 1: she said, a riot helmet, she said he was. It

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Speaker 1: had a bulletproof vest on, you know. She said that

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Speaker 1: he was completely covered in all black with goggles. And

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Speaker 1: she said that after that point, when she saw that

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Speaker 1: he was holding a shotgun, her and her boyfriend dropped

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Speaker 1: to the floor and just kind of started to crawl

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Speaker 1: to see if they could get away. They got up

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Speaker 1: and they started to run through the emergency exit. Um.

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Speaker 1: She said that when she turned around, all she saw

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Speaker 1: was the guy slowly making his way up the stairs

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Speaker 1: and just firing people, just picking random Karen Stark, this

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Speaker 1: has got to be like salt being poured in the

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00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: wound of all the victims families. Yet on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: it's public information and the public has a right to

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Speaker 1: know this. But how will this affect the crime victims families.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that it could be any worse

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: for them than it already is. Natty, I mean that

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Speaker 1: what they can see is that there was no particular

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Speaker 1: reason for why this happened. This was the highlight of

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Speaker 1: this guy's life. He did this, he wanted to create

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Speaker 1: this sensation, and unfortunately for them, their family was part

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Speaker 1: of a plan that had nothing to do with human beings,

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00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: with continued life, with a love of life, and it

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00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: was just terrible, terrible agony and misfortune that they were

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Speaker 1: a part of this. Nancy Race Crime Stories signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,