WEBVTT - I Have No Patience for Jam Hands (S2 E5, "Nick & Nora/Sid & Nancy") 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.000 I Am all In. Oh, I Am all in with 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.480 Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, here everybody, 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.320 It's Scott Patterson and this is the I Am All 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.760 In Podcast I Heart Radio, one of Leven Productions. Amy 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.440 smiling because I am doing I am doing my opening 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.839 bit and I said I wouldn't do it, but I 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.960 like doing it. It makes me feel good, it wakes 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.120 me up. I love it. You can. I'm also smiling 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.720 because this is like just the best episode. This episode. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.199 But before, okay, before we get to the episode and 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.440 we are joined by Riley pellusis today, Hello Riley, how 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.279 are you? Um? And Hi? Hi? No, no, you can 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.400 say hello Hi you go way hi hii and Uh 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.639 and Amy Sugarman. And last night we we did our 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.640 first live virtual streaming podcast, Friends Giving. What a huge 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.280 success it was. We had a blast. There was a 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.000 couple of technical faux pause with Emily Corona, but it 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.480 turned out to be uh, you know, kind of the 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.600 gift that keeps on giving throughout the podcast, and we 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.320 had an incredible time with the greatest fans in the world. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:28.440 We really appreciate it. Um and Uh the coolest dude 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.360 who Jackson Jackson like all of them, Like like Grant 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.680 was so cool, that Jackson was super cool, Sally was amazing, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.040 Emily what it was amazing the guests that came on, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.440 the fans that came on to ask questions, they had fun. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.960 We love them and I'm so glad. And from what 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.160 my colleagues are telling me, the chat rooms were just 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.600 filled with activity and exciting. Yeah, great questions. That's the 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.040 thing that the fans have the most amazing thoughts and 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.200 questions out the show. Yeah, and guess what. I'm going 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.640 to spring a surprise on you today. And I think 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.200 you're gonna like it. I think you're gonna like it. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.280 I think you're gonna love it. It's ten X with 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:21.840 the clown pillow and has been to this. It's it's 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.919 a bombshell. It's a bomb. You're gonna fall out of 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.280 your chair. Amy, You're gonna fall out of your chair 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.959 freaking out. When you send us the text, I got 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.360 like nervous. I was like, what could it be? No 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.840 reason to be nervous. Scott send us a text and 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.359 said like, I have something that's gonna blow y'all's mind. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.920 And now I'm like, what is it? So here's some 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.760 good news, right. I was just informed that I don't 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.480 know what the timeframe is. Is it a couple of 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.440 weeks out or a couple of months out where people 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:56.880 will be able to download the Friends Giving podcast. They'll 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.440 be able to listen to it. I won't be able 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.200 to see it, but they'll be able to listen into 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.200 it right on Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, that's happening. So 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:10.040 you can download our Friends Giving Virtual Event to listen 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.440 to it on Thanksgiving Day. It will be available on 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.040 the platforms for you to enjoy. So we wanted to 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.600 do that for you. Keep it special, keep it keep 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:25.000 it real, um, and we are going to discuss, uh, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.240 we're going to discuss this episode. What a huge episode. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.440 So here I have a question right out the gate. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.400 So it's Milo's first appearance, which was amazing and we'll 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.440 talk about it. But he's in the credits. So is 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:44.200 that common? Like he's in the credits immediately in the 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.680 main credits. Yes. Really, So it was like if you 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.200 watch the episode before this one, no Milo in the credits, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.920 and then this one he's there. So so that's the 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.680 deal his team made with Warner Brothers or the show said. Okay, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.280 so you want him on the shows that we curring 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.200 or whatever. So I think it was a series regular, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.920 wasn't He suddenly became a series regular. And I don't know, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.560 I haven't seen the episodes, but I guess he's in 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.160 every episode after this or most of them. So yeah, 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.920 he's a series regularly. You know, he's got to be 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.760 in the main titles. And he was amazing right from 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.200 the start. What a handsome dude, Oh my god. And 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:24.119 they dressed him perfectly, like he right right, He looks 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.120 a little like how you dress. So there was a 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.960 little Luke and him, but then he just looks like 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.119 the coolest kid in town, the bad bad guy. There's 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.039 there's a lot of Luke and him, a lot my god, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.680 and and what a what a what just a great 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.720 looking kid, right and and and it was so odd 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.200 to see because he you know, I you know, I know, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:53.680 a smiling, happy uh Milo with a good, great disposition 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.240 and loving everybody and and talking everybody up. And then 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.560 you see this character and it's like that is so 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.640 far or from what Milo really is. And it was 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.840 stunning to see it. And it was very very entertaining 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.400 because it was like, Wow, he's convincing me. You know, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.760 he's really really convincing me. He's a great acting job. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.680 The scene where you push him in the water, it's 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.120 just you know, he talked about it before, but it's 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.520 just perfect. And that must have been so complicated because 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.640 it's a bull walk in talk and then it's just 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:27.520 boot just beautiful, just beautiful. And even he nails going 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.679 in the water, yes, And even when he comes up 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.719 and looks at me, his attitude change. He was like 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.520 he was actually befuddled and shocked and like he'd lost 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.000 some power, which you know, you would think would definitely 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.480 happen if somebody pushed you into a lake. Um, and 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.680 I'm saying, you know, I saw at that time said 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.919 point that was not responsible for Luke to do that, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.320 because what if there was a rock in there or something, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:57.080 or there's some kind of wire or rebar sticking up, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.760 he could have landed on it and been injured or killed. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.760 And I just thought that was terribly responsible. But it's 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.840 certainly good television, Oh my gosh. And you're right he 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.400 did nail it as he came up, because I really 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.360 watched for that that look, with the look, it's look 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.360 and the hands kind of right, and the body language 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.160 and the whole thing. I mean, that's that's what makes 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:25.400 him so good, right, the physicalization, the physicality of the character. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.520 So it's just shoulders down, you know, right, little slump 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.200 forward and a little attitude and just you know that, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.800 even just the way he carries the book. I mean, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.400 we'll talk about all that too, just the book and 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.600 the reference at the end, and how he reads as 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.960 much as Rory does. I mean, there's so much to 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.360 break down. Listen to him in a tight shot. He's 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.240 I gotta get back in the gym. I mean, it's 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.800 like insanity kidding me, It's like you could eat breakfast 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.359 off his stomach, that kid, Are you kidding me? I 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.720 want to bet on you for again? Can I need one? 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.920 You four again and be ripped? Please? Well, all right, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.080 we're gonna take a little break after that and we 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:15.840 will be back to discuss Jess Mariano. It's coming in 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.840 to stir up the pot. We'll be back after these words. Yeah, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.200 all right, everybody, we're back and we are talking. What 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.280 is the title this thing Jess returns? Is that? Is that? 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.960 What he hasn't He hasn't gone any here. We have 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.840 never seen him. How can he return when he has 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.200 Nick and Nora sitting Nancy? Riley, do you want to 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.840 give us? I know it was sitting Nancy and Nick 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.200 and Nora. I knew all that infinite playlist. The whole 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.920 thing I knew. I knew it was the title. I 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.080 know where they're borrowing from. Anyway, So Riley, I guess 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.480 you're on with your synopsis and all. And also I 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.440 have to say, Scott, one of my favorite songs of 0:07:54.480 --> 0:08:02.480 yours was the synopsis song synopsis. This is episode five, 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.280 Nick and Nora sit in Nancy Air Date oct One. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.480 Loral lies well intentioned advice falls on deaf ears when 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.000 Luke reluctantly takes in his wild seventeen year old nephew, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.880 Jess Well, while Rory finds herself attracted to the town's 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:28.880 newest resident. The synops Oh yeah, the SYNOPSI so did 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.480 we actually see that Rory's attracted to him? Yet? I 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:37.480 would say she's intrigued by jess Thoughts, how can you 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:42.439 not be? How could a young woman not be attracted 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:48.440 to that? Yeah, sculpture of a human. You know, Shakespeare 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.320 said God made men and he did not make them. Well, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.719 I think Jess is the exception what you call it, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:09:00.320 I'm brooding? Oh, absolutely absolutely. I mean he was a 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.959 young Marlon Brando right there. I mean that kid. Oh 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.600 my god, what do you remember about like cut from 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:12.040 Granite right what? What do you remember about meeting him? 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.240 Just that he was such a nice kid, you know 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:20.240 he was he was an unusually mature outgoing but not pushy. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.600 You know. He was just sort of present and friendly 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.360 and and kind of you know, engaged and sort of 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.440 interested in who you were and you know, good listener, 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.640 and he just it was unusual in that in that 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:37.680 regard that he was so mature for his age. Um, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.000 and I just kept saying, well that's this, you know, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.520 every time I worked with him or talking to himself. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.840 You know. My comment to Lauren was, boy, did he 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.000 have good parents? You know. And I'm not saying that 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.400 anybody was any less spectacular, just that in his case, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.080 it was just like this full package coming at you, like, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.760 you know, he he's like this incredible looking guy who's 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.160 really smart, really nice, really talented, mature beyond his years. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.520 I mean, it was like he's going to be a 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.480 superstar and he's nothing like Jess Milow. So it's like 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.040 you really see how talented he is because he's just 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.520 nothing like that guy. Yeah, real focused performer, you know, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:22.079 very focused and very you know on what he needs 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.600 to do and what he's trying to do, and and 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.880 it's just sort of his way of going about it too. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.800 I mean, he wasn't pushy about it, and there was 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.160 sort of little suggestions he would make, little things that 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.559 he needed for me, and just the way he asked 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.200 it was just it was so polite, you know. He 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.920 was just a very polite, gentle spirit, you know, and 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.920 he got along with everyone right away, with Lauren and Alexis. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.040 Oh god, yeah. I mean I don't want to you know, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.880 I don't want to embarrass anybody or let the cat 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:54.000 out of the bag, but I think I'm gonna the 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:59.760 some of the some of the female members of the cast, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.880 uh that were on the younger side. We're doing cartwheels 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:10.960 every time he came around, Okay, so vying for his attention. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.480 It was actually funny to watch. Oh yeah, man, it 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.360 was just like hi. And they also you know, if 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.280 they were in a bad mood or something and there, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.400 you know, because sometimes they get people get tired and 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.040 they're get in a bed, but Jess would come around. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:28.400 They go, oh, hi, yeah, suddenly he's melting hearts. He's 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.960 just melting hearts all over the place. This is really 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:38.520 Jess coming. It's really about Luke too, because I would 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:43.840 say this is the biggest episode for Luke. Yeah, I 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.480 mean it really it really, you know, adds to mension 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.559 to Luke. He's got a sister we have met, we 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.280 really have We haven't met the sister, yes, And now 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.920 he's got a nephew and and oh there's a history here. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.160 And we find out that his mother passed away when 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.400 when him his sister were kids, and you know, father 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.439 had to take on and then we just worked a 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.400 diner and work, work, work, that kind of thing. So 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.360 do you remember any kind of like a conscious sort 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.360 of conversation where they said, hey, we really want to 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.880 grow Luke now, because from the first episode you're in 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.720 what one maybe two scenes, and now the show is 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:20.960 really starting to revolve around Luke. Yeah. The rumors that 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.320 I wrote ten letters a day to the creators end 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:29.760 to Warner Brothers about this very subject are completely over blown. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:37.480 There's rumors that whatever. So it's just sort of a 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.280 natural progression that they don't need my commentary. They don't. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.120 They're not seek Scott. What do you think do you? 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.200 They don't come to my trailer and say, Scott, we 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.520 need to have a talk with you. We want to 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.559 know your opinion on where you think your characters should 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.080 go out. But did you notice suddenly you're getting a 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.560 script into like we have a lot more? I was happy. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.160 It's like, yeah, I just I felt good because you're 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.080 becoming really a part of it. You know. It's like 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.880 you're now you're this integral part of it, and they're 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.840 building storylines around it, and they're you know, they're flushing 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.719 out the character, giving it more depth to mention. Um. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.600 I just loved it. I love the challenge of it. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.800 You know, it's like putting in the long hours and 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.679 also delivering the performance and you get to work with 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.160 some new energy, right, there's new energy there, there's there's 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.920 there's Milo to work with. So it was like, oh cool, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.840 this is what seemed like the perfect time to really 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:33.120 bring him on because he stirs up everybody. It's not 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.679 just like gonna be a thing for Rory and Dean. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.000 It's not just a thing for you. But he's stirring 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.480 it up with Loralae. It's like he's majorly stirring up 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.280 the town. Yeah, just when you thought it was safe 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.240 to go out at night and starts hollow. Now as 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.400 soon as Dean is domesticated, Right, we're not worried about 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.400 Dean anymore, are we. No, he's he's fully leashed at 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.280 this point and neutered and so so. But you've got 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.560 to drop in another one. You thought Dean was bad, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:09.320 here here we go with a Milo. Did they tell 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.200 you sort of the trajectory, like did you do you 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.080 remember knowing like, hey, Milo is joining and he's gonna 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.800 be here for a while. This is going to be 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.880 major or is it sort of like you're kind of 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:26.320 learning every week as you go. Um. I do remember 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:32.680 having some conversations about the arc of his character, um, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.000 but not not too much detail, not great detail, just 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.480 sort of sort of general notes about it, which is 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.040 all I really needed anyway. Um. And they were very 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.200 generous in that way to sort of, you know, give 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.800 me some guidance, like we're heading to this this this 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.600 this beacon and then the next one and then the 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.400 next one. But um, no details how we're getting there. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.440 But you know, you have enough time to digest all 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.080 that and figure that out for yourself when you get 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.960 the script, you know, like ten minutes before you start shooting, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.640 and do you think Luke okay? So we really see 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.920 Luke's loyalty to his family. It's like, it doesn't matter 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.640 if he wants to do this, this is what you do. Like, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.800 what are your sort of thoughts on what we learned 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:20.520 from about Luke and loyalty and family. It was heartbreaking 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:27.040 for me just from my own personal experience with my family, um, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.880 because that doesn't always apply unfortunately in reality, you do 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.760 the best you can and then all of a sudden, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.360 you know, you know, things happen and you have to 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.800 walk away. But um, I think that as a an 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.480 ideal for a character arc, if it's a pillar of 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.320 a character, then it has to be you know, you 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.000 have to follow through on it. And that's just sort 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.080 of who Luke is. And there was nothing really Look, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.120 there was nothing really too terrible that was going on 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.160 in Luke's life. His sister wasn't too terrible challenging. Us 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.520 isn't too terribly challenging. It's not like you know, a 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.560 lot of families face far worse than this. I mean, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.600 I don't even need to go into it, but I 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:15.680 think for the w B and for family type of show, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.280 I think that's about as intense as it's going to get. Right. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.800 It's going to reflect reality, but it's just it's the 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.560 kind of a reality that's not so dark and dangerous, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.320 you know what I'm saying, because because it can't be right, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.400 it can't be for that show. So she's not that bad. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.240 He's just not Rory right, He's right, I mean, who 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:40.000 is who is? So? So it's like, but you know, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.920 you have to give and I think I think they 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:48.040 also realized that the executives also realized that Rory, um, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.920 you know, it's like she's got her own set of 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.440 fans and Laura Lauren has her own set of fans 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.640 and there, you know, they do mesh and they do 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.360 they do share the fan basis. But you know, I 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.960 think Alexis was breaking out on her own, has her 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.800 own sort of category of star, right, so in her 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.600 own right, she had her own claim to start them 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.280 at that point, and her you know, she was bringing 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.960 these unexpectedly high level skills to bear on that character. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:19.119 Um um. So I think they you know, they thought 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.160 they could, they could work with her, and like, let's 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.800 give her a jest, Let's give her a Paris, she continued, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.159 a whole Paris and to to for lack of a 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.160 better term, But I'm just I'm getting so turned off 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:37.879 with Paris. I can't even stand. And I'm some but 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.760 but it's so manipulative. Not to jump around so much, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.080 but it's so manipulative. I find myself rooting for Rory 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.520 so much and so proud of how she's handling the 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.439 situation with Paris. About the whole, it's like flush, the 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.159 Paris character doesn't matter. You are just subordinate to making 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.520 us like Rory more and more and more and more. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.760 So so it's really interesting device. But uh, you know, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.760 back to Jes, Yeah, I think that's just who Luke is, right, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.119 He's family. I'm gonna we're gonna take care of family. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.600 That's just kind of what you do, um, which explains 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.920 everything about Luke. Yes, yes, I agree, he doesn't even hesitate. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.239 If you were to say one thing about like what 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.680 one line in the series so far maybe overall defines 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.840 who Luke is. That's it. When he says to Laura, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.000 I not even look alone, just you know, pumping up 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.800 his mattress like this is what you do. I'm gonna 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.200 inciveunce my life. Listen that he's family. You take care 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.919 of family. That's what you do. Boom, blanket statement, no 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.359 discussion about it. I think it's interesting you say that 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:42.040 because to me brings me back to when Luke immediately 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.400 jumps in and it's going to help Laurel I when 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.960 Richard was in the hospital. You drop everything like he 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.119 is the most loyal person. Maybe she's a bit of 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.960 a mother figure to him because she stands up to 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.720 him and she tells him, he gives him what for, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.679 and she's one of the few that can do this. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:01.800 And I think Rachel did it to an extent. But 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.320 she did it and she left and she kept leaving, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.399 So there's no trust there. But with Lauren, with Laura Lai, Um, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.800 she's not going anywhere. She's there there, they're embedded in 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.399 that town. Yeah. I think you make a great point there. Yeah, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.399 so yeah, there might be. And that's why I think too, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.560 essentially that Rory is going to be attracted to Jess 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:30.320 because she's still her mother's daughter. So even though she's 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.080 doing all the right things. She's still going to have 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.720 that attracted to the bad boy thing. But the thing 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.320 is is, even though she was getting into it with 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.480 the you know, the inevitable sort of beginning to fall 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.960 for Jess and Jess inevitably falling for her. You could 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.919 see it in that final scene when it's like, uh, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.800 you know when he said he made notes on Alan 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.159 Ginsbury's Howell and I've only read it forty times and 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:03.880 then uh and then the um the Dickens reference um, 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.640 and he knew it and she was pleased. I trust her. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.600 I trust her now not to screw up her life 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:17.399 because this is this is a pattern with super intelligent 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:23.560 uh people, right girls uh that you know, their lives 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.879 get blown up because they don't have the character, the 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.240 backing of the support from family, right when they're about 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.760 to go to college and their senior year just blows 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.119 up into partying and it blows up into boys and 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.160 it's just like and then suddenly they don't really want 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.159 to go to Harvard anymore, and it's like, you know, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.439 I'll go I'll go over here, and I don't care. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.040 They don't even bother going to college. I trusted her, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.560 not I didn't feel so I felt more encouraged about 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.919 a potential romance between the two and the excitement of 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:54.639 that and how that was going to play out. Then 0:20:54.680 --> 0:21:00.280 I was about him derailing her. M I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.280 I didn't feel any possibility of that happening, because if 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.479 she can handle herself so beautifully, with such maturity and 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:12.399 calm and cool up against Paris, then no guy is 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.120 gonna be smart enough. You're not gonna find a guy 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.800 that's smarter than than Paris and more diabolical. Nothing will 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.919 derail her. Nothing's going to derail So I I really 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.879 trust her character. I trust Rory to stay on the 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.160 straight now, to stay studying. Nothing's gonna throw her off. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:32.000 In fact, she's already manipulating him. She's already testing him 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.560 and saying, you know, are you literate? Do you read 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.200 these things? And like okay, right, And when he's like 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.720 let's sneak out, and she's like number one, there's no 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.480 word to sneak to and number two, no, I want 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.040 to eat, Like there, this is gonna be delicious. Like 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.080 she's so like above him, like why would I do that? Right? Yeah, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.320 you're a hot dude, but I ain't. I ain't passing 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.280 up a hot meal when I'm hungry. Guy. I mean, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.560 you know, you kind of matter, but not right now. Right, 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.840 she's her own person. She's grown, you know, she's growing 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.959 into the spectacular woman to be and it's just this strong, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.480 empowered one but still hell bent for leather because who 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.240 mommy isn't who daddy is, right, So there, so there's 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:18.040 that opening, right, she would be attracted to him, but 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.080 it's not going to cause her problems. It'll cause her 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.440 some heartache maybe, but it's necessary. It's not going to 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.920 go to jail. Although I do think they get into 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:29.960 some trouble, but we'll talk about and I think that's 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.040 really important for that character. I think it's really important 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.399 for the series. We do not want to mistrust Roy 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.960 or think that she is such a oh I don't 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.439 know what's the word troll up or something that she's 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.800 she's going to go off and ruin her life. We 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.840 can't have that, you know. That's that's like, that's a 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:52.600 Madeline Louise type of storyline, right, right, She's not ditching 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:58.679 the Bengals concerts. Some college party. Jess is what we 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.520 needed though, Like even if we didn't realize we needed it. 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.199 Like somebody smarter than us writing the show knew that 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.719 Jess is exactly what this show needs. Yeah, the injection 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.800 of that kind of energy, um and that sort of 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.520 classical beauty that he represents. I mean, he just represents 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.960 like I mean, you know, it's like Michelangelo's David shows 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:26.760 up in a and a pair of blue jeans and 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.720 he's completely different. And I thought, in terms of the 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:37.320 acting he had, he displayed an appropriate amount of you know, 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:42.800