1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and East Texas and Murder 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: rocks a community, and now fourteen years later, the mother 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: of a beautiful teen girl is still searching for answers. 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: one eleven. What happened to Brittany? Take a listen to 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: this Winnsboro, Texas is two thousand and seven. What would 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: seem like an ordinary day for nineteen year old Brittany 9 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: mclough as suddenly wasn't. She was just beginning her laugh, 10 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: looking forward to going college. After working her night shift 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: at this Low's distribution center, she headed to her boyfriend 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Stagner's house just on the other side of this fence, 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: in a small home by Lake Winnsboro. Hours later, somewhere 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: between eight am to three pm, mcloan was savagely murdered 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: and Stagner's bent. She had been bludgeoned with a heavy 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: sharp object. She had been sexually assaulted. It's almost too 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: much to take in. She had just recently celebrated her 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: teen birthday. Her mom tells me it was a little 19 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: family party. Like most of us, had growing up where 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: mom makes a cake and we see happy birthday. That 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: was her last birthday, And even now fifteen years later, 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: there are no answers now in this world that we 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: live in, of touch DNA and genetic markers and genetic 24 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: genealogy and epiphilial cells and miticonjual DNA and on and on, 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: And why is this family still looking for answers in 26 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: the brutal attack on their ting girl? And what a 27 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: beauty on the inside and out? Did you hear that 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: she was working? You know a lot of teams are 29 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: at home on their Xbox with a TV blaring in 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: the background, sitting on the sofa eating chips. Not her, 31 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: not her? Why did this happen? Who did this to her? 32 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: And why have they not been brought to justice? With 33 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: me and All Star panel, But before I introduced you 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: are experts, I want to go to a very special 35 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: guest joining me, Patricia Tye. This is Brittany mcgloane's mother 36 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and you can find her on Facebook. And I never 37 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: imagine these words being in one sentence. You can find 38 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: Britney's mother at who killed Brittany McGlone on Facebook? Miss Tice, 39 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you for having 40 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: me and wearing Britney's story. Nancy, that hurts my heart 41 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: even imagine what you've been through saying thank you to me. 42 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: There's absolutely no need, miss Tye. Tell me when you 43 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: first became worried that something was wrong with Britney. Well, 44 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: it was the afternoon of May fourth. Her boyfriend called 45 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: me to ask me if Brittany was with me, and 46 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I was very alarmed and I said, no, she's supposed 47 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: to be with you. She had worked the overnight shift 48 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: at a Lows distribution center, you know, got off at 49 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: six thirty seven, and it was the first time she 50 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: ever went straight to the boyfriend's home instead of coming home, 51 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: taking shower, eating and taking an out. Let Me understand something, 52 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: miss tythe Yeah, so she gets off at six thirty 53 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: am or pm am. She worked night. That's hard. That 54 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: it's hard. My dad did a swing shift, or as 55 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: he said, first second third chicks sometimes said be in 56 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the morning, sometimes the afternoon, the evening over a night. 57 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: That's hard. That's hard on your body. But she did. Okay, 58 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: so she gets all six thirty am. Okay, yes, And 59 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: like I said, it was the first time she had 60 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: ever gone straight to the boyfriend's house. So when he 61 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: called me asking if Brittany was with me, I was 62 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: alarmed and I said, no, she's supposed to be with you. 63 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: And what time was that? That was afternoon? Three three 64 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon. Whoa okay, yes, between six thirty 65 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: and three thirty, Okay, go ahead. And so I hung 66 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: up on him and called Britney's phone and it went 67 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: straight to voicemail, and her phone was an appendage. She 68 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: would have answered the phone. So I called the boyfriend 69 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: back and said, she's not answering the phone, and he said, 70 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: he said, she's here. She's sleeping. She's just sleeping hard. 71 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: And then a little bit after that, fifteen twenty minutes 72 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: after that, two Wood County officers knocked on the door 73 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: and they asked for Brenda or Debbie, and we told 74 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: them there was no bun in our home by that name, 75 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and so they left and just something didn't feel right. 76 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: That's that's very disjoint. Yes, So out of the blue, 77 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: that afternoon, May four cops show up at your door 78 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: asking for Brenda or Debbie. Yes, okay, so I you know, 79 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: I was, I just I just had that mother's intuition, 80 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: so I called the sheriff's office. The sheriff himself got 81 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: on the phone and told me to stay put. He 82 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: was sending the deputies back, so I knew for sure 83 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: something was wrong. They took me into the house alone, 84 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: and verbatim, they said, your daughter is deceased, Oh dear 85 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Lord in heaven. They wouldn't give me any details, not 86 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: even cause of death, and they left. I was there 87 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: with my blind mom, my teenage sons, and we were 88 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: in crisis. Okay, wait a minute, you're blind mom. Your 89 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: mother lived with you, Yes, we all lived again. How 90 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: old was your mom at that time? Let's see, um, 91 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: she was sixty two. And your dad also lived there. 92 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: He did, He wasn't on the road truck driver, he wasn't. 93 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: He wasn't home when this happened. Okay, and your son, Yeah, 94 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I had two sons still living at home that were 95 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: in high school. Ay, just at that time. They were 96 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen, and they had been home all night 97 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: from six thirty when she got off from Lowes until. Yeah. 98 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: That they had been with you the entire time. Well, 99 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: I mean, and they were in school. They went to Okay, 100 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: and your father's whereabouts are not. I mean your dad's 101 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: whereabouts are known because he was doing long haul trucking. Right, 102 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I want to say he was 103 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: it way up northeast. And what about Britney's father. I 104 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: don't know where he was at the time. I think 105 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: when he was informed by telephone by law enforcement. I 106 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: want to say he and his wife were at a 107 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: movie or on their way to a movie, same town. 108 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: Noah account about twenty three miles away. Okay, so for 109 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: springs and so the why his wife can account for 110 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: us whereabouts the entire afternoon room, definitely, And he was 111 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: working too, so I'm sure his work canto. Yeah, he's 112 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: joining me as Patricia tiss Is, Brittany McGlone's mother. Okay, 113 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: can you imagine you know something's not quite right? You 114 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: keep calling your daughter. I just want to cross myself 115 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: just saying it, because I'm thinking or calling my son 116 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: or daughter and it goes straight to voicemail, which I hate. 117 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: And she's not home from work, she's not where she's 118 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be to depudes, come to your door in 119 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: the midst of this confusion and ask for two people 120 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: that you've never heard of at your door. They leave, 121 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: You call the sheriff and go what's going on? They 122 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: go up. Wish in the deputies back to your place. 123 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: I want to understand, Miss tys, more about Brittany. I 124 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: want to hear about who Brittany is. Guys, take a 125 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: listen to our Forensic crime online. Britney McLoone had taken 126 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: a year off after graduating high school and was working 127 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: two jobs to save money for college. She planned to 128 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: attend Baylor University and study nursing. One of her jobs 129 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: was at the Lowe's distribution center in Mount Vernon. On 130 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: the morning of May fourth, she finished her overnight shift 131 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: and drove to her boyfriend's house in Windsboro to sleep. 132 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: His family also lived at that house. Her mother became 133 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: concerned when she couldn't get through to Brittany on her 134 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: cell phone. Britney's sister, Hope said, Britney's mother called so 135 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: many times she filled up her voicemail just trying to 136 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: take that in. You know, that's an important fact, A 137 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: subtle but important fact, Miss Tis, is that the boyfriend 138 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: also lived with his family as well, correct and they 139 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: were home. The mother went to work, the brother's sister 140 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: went to high school. The stepdad and the boyfriend went 141 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: to Dallas to pick up a grandmother from the airport. 142 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: So while they lived there, they were not at home 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: at the time your daughter was there. They left Brittany 144 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: home alone. Yes, okay, let me understand. Did the boyfriend 145 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: have a job that he went to No, he did 146 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: not work. He did not work. And what was his age? 147 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: I think he was twenty one? He was twenty one, 148 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: and Brittany's age just turned nineteen. Yes, she was about 149 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: nineteen and a half. Guys earlier, you were hearing our 150 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: friends at k et Kate. Now take a lesson to 151 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox fifty one. Brittany was on her 152 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: way to her boyfriend's house. Several hours later, she never 153 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: came home. Law enforcement found Brittany was tragically beaten, sexually assaulted, 154 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: and murdered. Her killer was never found. She hasn't over 155 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: just said that she deserves So that's that's really important 156 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: to us. So we're hoping for some answers, hopefully sooner 157 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: than later. How can fifteen years pass with no answers? 158 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Listen to our friends, Sarah Alegre. Before that horrifying moment, 159 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Brittany left her night shift at this Low's distribution center 160 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: and went to her boyfriend and Jeff Stagner's house in 161 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: a small home by Lake Winsborough. Her boyfriend called and 162 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: asked if Brittany was with me, and immediately I said, no, 163 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: She's supposed to be with Hugh. You know, it just 164 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: didn't feel right. Between eight am to five thirty pm 165 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: at Brittany was reportedly murdered in Stagner's bed. Okay, I'm 166 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: really grappling with these facts and the reality that the 167 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: case has still gone unsaw. Take a listen to more 168 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: from our friends katk. Her boyfriend called no Little one 169 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Stagner returning home to an unrecognized body and a horrifying 170 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: crime scene that could have been your daughter, your sister, 171 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: your cousin, you know, your friend. What happened to her 172 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: could happen to anyone, and with somebody still running around 173 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: out there free, it probably will. That thought igniting urgency 174 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: in the community, including recently elected Wood County Sheriff Kelly Cole. 175 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: I actually worked here. I was a Kremlin investigator here 176 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: at that time. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, it's 177 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: not fitting together from me. I want to go out 178 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: to another special guest joining us in addition to Britney's mother, 179 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Patricia Tys. Amy names is with me True Crime Writer. 180 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: You can find her at Dark Aberration Amy. Let me 181 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: understand the movements of the boyfriend that afternoon, and then 182 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, I'm going to come back 183 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: straight to you. We need to get a t D 184 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: time of death so I can work that into the 185 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: crime line. And if I can get that time of 186 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: death even within say forty five minutes to an hour, 187 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I can start ruling people out to see what I 188 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: mean to. Amy Knaves is joining me, truecome Writer. You 189 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: can find her at Dark Aberrations Blog. Amy, thank you 190 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: for being with us. Can we just try from the beginning, Amy, 191 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: what you know from the moment that she Brittany got 192 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: off from her overnight shift at the Lows Distribution Center. Guys, 193 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: this goes down in Wood County, Tipline, Wood County Sheriff 194 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: nine o three seven six three two two zero one 195 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: repeat nine zero three seven six three two zero one. Amy, 196 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: let's start out to get go what happened. Well, there's 197 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of information that's not out there because the 198 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: investigation is ongoing, but to stop right there. Wendy Patrick 199 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: joining me, California prosecutor, author Red Flags, Wendy Patrick, PhD, 200 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy kb Q. Wendy ongoing investigation. Really, 201 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: it's been fifteen years. Release it, help us solve the case. 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: Fifteen years of a quote ongoing investigation is too long 203 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: in anybody's eyes. It's the kind of thing that you 204 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: would argue transparency is going to generate leads before memories fade. 205 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: You want to get as much community participation and information 206 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: as we can. So it's unacceptable. And I am sure 207 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: that Britney's mother would agree to have not disclosed more 208 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: over the course of that time. Do you, miss Tis? 209 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I don't get it, miss Tis. What are 210 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: they sitting on? You know? If anybody knows, please jump in, 211 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: As I always say, this ain't no tea party at 212 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: High Grove with the Queen, all right, jump in if 213 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: you have a thought or a suggestion or a line 214 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: of inquiry, let's hear it. To Amy Naves joining us, 215 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: true crime writer and blogger. Sorry to cut you off 216 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: right there at the get go, but hiding behind the 217 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: claim this is an ongoing investigation, so we can't release 218 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: the info. You know what, that reminds me of Jackie. 219 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Delphi case. Abigail and Liberty 220 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: have been dead for years and we think they have 221 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: a picture and sound of their killer, but still the 222 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: cops won't release information. You know what, give it up? So, 223 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Amy naves I understand you're working without all the facts. 224 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: But what do we know, dear. We know that obviously 225 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: missus Tyce couldn't get in touch with her daughter all day. 226 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: It was a until two thirty that afternoon that she 227 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: finally was able to get in touch. That she finally, 228 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I guess, gave up on trying to call her daughter 229 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: and called Stagner instead. So you have a gap between 230 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: when Brittany arrived that morning and two thirty that afternoon. 231 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: At the time, at the time Brittany's mother reached him, 232 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: he said that you know, they had been out to 233 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: the airport picking up a relative and that they were 234 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: just pulling into the driveway, that Britney's car was still there, 235 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: and then they went into the house and that's when 236 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: they discovered Britney's body. But the time of death is 237 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: listed as somewhere between eight am and three pm, which 238 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: is a huge window. Not helpful at all. He just 239 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: told me something I didn't know, Amy Knaves. Patricia Tys. 240 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: So the boyfriend says that when Brittany got there, he 241 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: was already gone with his family to pick someone up 242 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: at the airport. No, that's not my understanding. Okay, what's 243 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: your understanding that the entire family was still there when 244 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: Brittany got there. Okay, so the whole family's there, Amy Knaves. 245 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: The family boyfriend's family sees her come in, All right, 246 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I assume this is what the family says. They she 247 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: goes into the bedroom because she's exhausted from an overnight shift. 248 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: She lays down to go to sleep, and then they 249 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: all leave to go to the airport. Is that correct, 250 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Amy Knaves, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, because I think that 251 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: I misinterpreted something you said. You didn't say he left 252 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: at six thirty in the morning. Now I extrapolated that, 253 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: so I understand what you're saying. Now. So she gets 254 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: there six thirty ish, shicks forty after her shift, She's exhausted, 255 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: goes to sleep. The whole family, Caesar, come in, go 256 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to bed, and then what time, Amy Knaves, do they 257 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: say that they left to pick up someone at the airport. 258 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and this may be incorrect, but I'm assuming 259 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: that is the fact that they say that she was 260 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: murdered somewhere between eight am and three pm, that eight 261 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: am is the last time someone saw her alive. What 262 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: do you know? To Patricia Tyss as Brittany's mother? And 263 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: I just want to say, again, Miss Tis, thank you, 264 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: because to analyze the facts surrounding your daughter's murder has 265 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: got to be excruciating, but you're doing it to try 266 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: to get answers, and that takes a stomach of steel 267 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: and a lot of backbone. Now, explain to me what 268 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: happened between six thirty and eight am to your knowledge, 269 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: Miss Tis, as far as I know, the two kiddos 270 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: that we're in high school, we're getting ready to go 271 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: to high school. Mom was getting ready to go to work, 272 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: and the stepdad and the boy friend, we're getting ready 273 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: to go to Dallas. Who exactly went to Dallas to 274 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: pick up who is it coming intown? It was a grandmother? Okay, 275 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: so that's confirmed and I can prove that correct. Yes, 276 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: So b F, boyfriend and b F stepdad leave to 277 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: go to Dallas. Now, I understand that where this occurred 278 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: in Wood County. I'm from a county as well, bib County, 279 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: and it's not a city. It's out in a when 280 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: I grew up anyway, farmland. And I understand this area 281 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: of Wood County is rural, yes, densely forested. And I 282 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: understand that the boyfriend's family home is on a dead 283 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: end road. It's not like it's a cutthrough from one 284 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: big exchange to another big exchange, but two big streets, 285 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: right exactly. Okay, I'm just getting all these facts in 286 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: my mind. So boyfriend and boyfriend stepdad leave to go 287 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: to Dallas to pick up grandma. That's been confirmed. What 288 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: time did they leave, Miss Tye? Around eight o'clock? All right, 289 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: they leave at eight am. But here's the thing. Has 290 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: the mom boyfriend's mom already left for work at that time? Yes? 291 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: One time? Did she leave a little bit before eight 292 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: to drop? She took the kids to school. Are you 293 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: saying seven thirty or five till eight? Probably seven thirty? Okay, 294 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: So guth thirty minute window when mom and the two 295 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: brothers leave. It's a brother. It was a brother and 296 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: sister brother, two siblings. Thank you, got it? And I'm 297 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: taking all this in. They're gone at seven thirty, boyfriend 298 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and stepdad leave at eight. Okay, I'm trying to figure 299 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: out to Amy Nay's True Crime writer and blogger, was 300 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: there any forced entry into the home? I didn't find 301 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: any indication from any of the reports that there was 302 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: any fourth entry. Is it true that the home it's 303 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: no longer there, that's corrected, it's been torn down? Why that? 304 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: I do not know the answer to. What do you know? 305 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: Patricia tis Britney's mom? Why was the home destroyed? I 306 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: have no idea either. I was just told when it 307 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: was going to be destroyed, and I was assured that 308 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: they had retrieved any evidence that might be left in 309 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: the home. This was from the Texas Attorney General's office. 310 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Has something been built on top of it? There is 311 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: another home on top of it? Yes? Okay, all right? 312 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: We don't have any forced entry? Is that right? Between 313 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: Patricia and Amy? No forced entry? Did they routinely lock 314 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: the door when they left? Yes? Okay? Was DNA taken 315 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: from Britney's body? Does anyone know the answer to that? 316 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: I was told that there was some unknown DNA found 317 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: on her leg, but that it's not conclusive. And I 318 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: was also told that whoever killed Brittany it was like 319 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: they went in there wrapped in saran wrap. That's how 320 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: little evidence was there. Joining me right now in addition 321 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: to doctor Jeff Gardier, clinical psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine Truro College, 322 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: and author Joseph Scott Morgan joining me Jacksonville State University, 323 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Professor forensics, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 324 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: and star of a brand new hit series, Bodybacks with 325 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart Joe Scott, it's the timeline. 326 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: It's the timeline. One more quick question, what time Patricia 327 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: or Amy did the family get back with Grandma? Three o'clock? 328 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Right around? Yeah? Okay, got you three o'clock Jef Scott 329 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Morgan way in. Yeah, they've painted this with very broad strokes. 330 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about a seven hour window where they're saying 331 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: where between eight am and three pm? I mean, I 332 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: could tell you that. I'm just said j D because 333 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: the fai, the boyfriend and the step died. By the way, 334 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: boyfriend has passed a polygraph before we jump on that 335 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: bandwagon and veer off the road. Boyfriend has passed a 336 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: poly Is it totally conclusive? No? Is it helpful to know? Yes? 337 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: It is, Joe Scott, Really, the Emmy no offense death 338 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: investigator is telling me something I already know. I mean, 339 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the family leaves at eight am, she's alive, they get 340 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: back at three. She's been brutally sexist at it and murdered. 341 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: So of course it happened between eight and three. I 342 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: was expecting a little bit more. Joe Scott. Well, I 343 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: even have a death investigator. Yeah, well, I still I 344 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: don't buy the fact that. First off, Texas doesn't have 345 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: an EMMY system. They have Justices of the piece. I'm sorry, 346 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: you're talking gibberish. What they don't have mes They call 347 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: them Emmy's and they're larger towns. But just suffice it 348 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: to say, the justice of the peace in the counties 349 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: in Texas act as de facto corners. I've had dealings 350 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: with these kinds of cases. Are they doctors, No, Oh, 351 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: they're like magistrates. That's like no offense, Jackie. That's like 352 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: me calling in Jackie to do my heart surgery or 353 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: my brain surgery. No offense, because you can do a 354 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, Jackie. But that's not one of them. 355 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, why would you have a magistrate judge who 356 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: may or may not be a lawyer. You don't even 357 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: have to be a lawyer. They act as a de 358 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 1: facto corner. And I'd be very curious to know if 359 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: that person phrases they work in place of a corner. 360 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: They don't have traditional corners. So my question is, and 361 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: this is to the heart of the matter, did this 362 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: individual from that representative jurisdiction actually physically show up and 363 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: do a post more assessment assessment relative to post mortem interval, 364 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: and that is the p M. I is the time 365 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: since death, all right, and there's several ways we measure that. 366 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: Let me just slow this down, Mustang Sally am I 367 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: post mortem interval whoa whoa? Wait wait, post mortem means 368 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: after death interval period of time. I don't know why 369 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: you talk like that. See, you're the reason and people 370 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: like you that I had to go through every single 371 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: line like I was diagramming a sentence like you do 372 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: in the fifth grade or whatever grade with medical examiners 373 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: because they talk like you you think a jury knows 374 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: what you're saying, because if a jury doesn't understand it, 375 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: then nobody else is going to understand it. I think 376 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about the time that has passed since Brittany 377 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: was murdered, right, yes, thank you, we're not clarifying that. Okay. 378 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Oh wait, hey, I want you to hear something just 379 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: got this may help take a listen to our friends 380 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: at crime Online. According to Wood County Sheriff's Office in Quitman, Texas, 381 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: detectives believe Brittany was killed between the hours of eight 382 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: am and three pm. She had been sexually assaulted and 383 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: beaten with an unknown object. An autopsy ruled that she 384 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: had died from massive head trauma. Many people were questioned 385 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: by detectives, including Brittany's boyfriend and his family, but no 386 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: suspects have been publicly named, and the sheriff adds nobody 387 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: has been officially ruled out either. Okay, I guess that 388 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: means they're talking about the boyfriend and the family. Nobody 389 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: has been officially ruled out either. I do know the 390 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: boyfriend has passed to Polly amy names is that true? 391 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: The boyfriend passed to Polly. The boyfriend and I believe 392 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: several members of the family have all passed Paula Grasse 393 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: because that's how you look at first, not just the 394 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: BF boyfriend, but you look at the stepfather too, you 395 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: look at everybody. It's really hard for me to imagine though. 396 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to go down the line 397 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: avenue that the boyfriend did it or the stepfather boyfriend's 398 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: stepfather did it, you would have to believe that either 399 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: the mother didn't hear a thing before she left, the 400 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: siblings heard nothing. There's that thirty minute window between seven 401 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: thirty and eight where mom took the others to school 402 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: before stepfather and BF left for airport. You'd have to 403 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: then believe that one of them committed the crime and 404 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: the other heard nothing or colluded. That complicates trying to 405 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: blame them. I mean, is it possible, sure? But is 406 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: that probable? Is it probable that one heard nothing when 407 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: a woman's being horribly bludgeoned and sex assaulted or colluded 408 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: in it. We do have the fly in the ointment. 409 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: Let me just say that she may have been asleep, 410 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: so she may not have been able to scream out. 411 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: But let's explore that in a moment. I'm off on 412 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: a tangent back to you, Joe Scott Morgan. That's the 413 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: best you can give me, That's the best They can 414 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: do eight to three. I mean, I've got the boyfriend's 415 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: mother telling me that why do I need a death investigator? Yeah? 416 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: No kidding, And keep in mind and per the report, 417 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: just like was just stated, police said that that didn't 418 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: come from them. They did not come from the emmy 419 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: that you know, the emmy was probably not The police 420 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: said what well, they said that they'd been dead, that 421 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: she had been They gave the assessment they talked about 422 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: in the report. They talked about the trauma that this 423 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: poor child sustained, and then they talked about this window 424 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: of time. You know, I've got to go to doctor 425 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier on this just a moment, Doctor Jeff, if 426 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: I may call you that, long time friend, Board certified 427 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine TURO College at doctor Jeff 428 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Gardeer dot com, author of the Causes of Autism, and 429 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I believe you've written several other books, have you not? Yes, Yes, 430 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: I have around family issue. Okay, doctor Jeff. I assume 431 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: you've seen Barney Fife and Andy Mayberry. Yes I have. Okay. 432 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: How is it that people think they know everything? For instance, 433 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I just said I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD. 434 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: I don't know the intricacies of determining cod cause of 435 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: death or time of death. Why would a magistrate or 436 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: a cop think they know everything and not bring in 437 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: an expert. I think what you're looking at here is 438 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: a situation of don't say, small town mentality, don't go there. Okay, 439 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: well then you just uh, you know, torpedoed what I 440 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: was gonna say. So let me go in saying then 441 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: I can fight with you. Go ahead, okay, all right. Well, 442 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: it's a situation of a very small community and you 443 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: have individuals, perhaps you know in law enforcement or other 444 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: official capacities, who've done things in a certain way for 445 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: a certain time. You know, Nancy, we talk about standards 446 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: of care. In a large, large city, there are many 447 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: more options and many more exposures with regard to different 448 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: types of expertise in hospitals. Here, this is a situation 449 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: of something where you know, we're talking about a smaller 450 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: scope of expertise, and therefore individuals can be very confident 451 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: that they're giving what the standard care or standard expertise is. 452 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: But in this case, we know that it is not enough. 453 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: A lot more should have been done, can be done, 454 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: hopefully will be done, and I believe that there will 455 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: be more information and evidence that can be parsed out 456 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: and examined. Okay, still trying to figure out why people 457 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: think they know everything. I mean, what I do know 458 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: for sure is that I don't know everything. It's the 459 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: only thing I really know. And it would be a 460 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: cold a and h E double l to Miss Patricia 461 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: tyss as Britney's mother, that I would come upon a 462 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: crime scene. And I've been on many many homicide scenes 463 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and think I knew it all. Sure, I know how 464 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: to make measurements and take pictures and look for forensic evidence. 465 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: But for instance, did they search the entire room and 466 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: home with lumin all to see if there had been 467 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: a struggle in another room? How can there be a 468 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: brutal sex attack and there's only DNA on her leg? 469 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: Did the person that raped her um wear a condom? 470 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: Did they wear plastic gloves? You said something? Or was 471 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: either Amy Knaves from Dart Aberrations said something that it 472 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: was commented the killer must have come in hermetically sealed 473 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: in plastic. Right? Was that humistice? That was? That's what 474 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: the Attorney General investigator said to me. Explain what else 475 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: did the ag investigators say, Well, they said a whole lot, 476 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: mostly saying that the investigation is in the purview of 477 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: Wood County Sheriff's Department. But when I would call Wood 478 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department, they would say, well, the Attorney General 479 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: has has the case. You know, a lot a lot 480 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: of passing the buck, not taking any accountability or responsibility 481 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: for Britney's investigation. Why would they do a teen girl 482 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: mother like that? I mean, if somebody screwed up the 483 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: investigation at the gate, go man up and say it 484 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: and try to start over as best as you can. 485 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at k t K, there are 486 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: words now in my vocabulary that I just can't believe 487 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: that they're in there, you know, bludgeoned or sexual assault 488 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: or you know, even murder. But who's the culprit behind 489 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: those haunting words? Definitely made everyone feel very unsafe. Unanswered 490 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: questions leaves behind an eerie reminder of a cold hearted 491 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: killer at large, and those people are still out there. 492 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: They are still out there, so you can't be careful 493 00:32:47,000 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: enough time stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Jeff Gardier, 494 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: it's light cursing or taking drugs or drinking. You may 495 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: be apprehensive the first time, but then after that it 496 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: gets really easy. If someone has already committed a murder, 497 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: which they have, how easy will it be to do 498 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: it again, to for instance, cover up evidence, get rid 499 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: of a witness. Agree, disagree, doctor Jeff. Absolutely. One of 500 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: the psychological tenants we know is if you are not 501 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: discovered or you are not punished, then you will continue. 502 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: Just not being discovered or punishment or punished is a 503 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: positive reinforcement to continue in your aberrant behaviors. Jess got Morgan, 504 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about them. The cod the mod cause a death, 505 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: manner of death. What do you think? First, Blush, it's 506 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: up closed, very personal, a lot of anger involved. I 507 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: think that goes without saying. And it is almost like 508 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: it is almost like she was tracked to this location. 509 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: That's why right now, right now, at this moment, Nancy, 510 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: my gut is not leaning toward the boyfriend's family. My 511 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: gut is leaning towards Lowe's distribution center. She just left 512 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: this place. It's about I don't know. I mean, it 513 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: looks like it's within about twenty miles of where she died. Now, 514 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: keep in mind it's in a separate county, and this 515 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: thing is vast, Nancy, this distribution center. I was looking 516 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: at a satellite image. They actually created an exit off 517 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: of Interstate thirty specifically for this place. It's massive. It's 518 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: a twenty four hour day operation. And when you see 519 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: the scope of this place, and it's almost like a 520 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: straight shot when you leave out of that location, you 521 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: go down to Winnsboro Lake down to that location and 522 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: from there, and she could be easily followed. She's in 523 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: that environment. People know that she's leaving work, and God 524 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: only knows who was working in that location. We're talking 525 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: about unidentified DNA found on this baby's leg out there 526 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: at this scene, and I'm thinking, well, did they go 527 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: up there to lows and run through that entire group 528 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: of people that were employed at that point in time. 529 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about everybody from managers to forklift drivers and 530 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: to truck drivers. I mean, this is a distribution center. 531 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: They're hopping on I thirty to take stuff all over 532 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: the place. Stuff is coming in off of I thirty. 533 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: There's even a railhead there, Nancy. So for me, when 534 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: I look at this, that's what I'm thinking, Okay, let's 535 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: follow your hypothesis through to its logical conclusion. Let's pretend 536 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: someone did follow her from Lows. Then what do they do? 537 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 1: Hide out on a dead end road and nobody sees them, 538 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: and they wait until everybody leaves the home. I mean, 539 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: how would they know that the entire family was going 540 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: to leave? The mom with the two siblings, she goes 541 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: to work, takes into school. How would they know the 542 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend and the boyfriend's stepfather going to leave at eight 543 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: am to go to the airport. So they sat there 544 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: and what hid behind a tree for an hour and 545 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: a half. Well, if it's somebody local that knows that location, 546 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: we don't know what she said to somebody at work. 547 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm dead tired, I've worked all night long. 548 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to my boyfriend's trailer. I hope nobody's there 549 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: that way. I'm going to sleep, and heads down to 550 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: that location by herself. Somebody up there may have known this. Remember, 551 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much information people share 552 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: with folks that they work with, But you know, some 553 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: people know a lot about you that work with you. 554 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: They know what your personal life is all about. Hey, 555 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: you know what, that's a really good point. To put 556 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: your should tice. This is Britney's mom still struggling for answers. 557 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: Were any of the boyfriend's friends questioned someone that he 558 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: may have mentioned to I'm going to go pick up 559 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: my grandma from the airport, but hey, you can't come 560 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: over today because Britney's here. I mean, did anyone else 561 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: know within that circle that she would be there that morning? 562 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: Alone and unattended? The teenage sister's boyfriend new teenage sister boyfriend. 563 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: Has he taken a polly or submitted DNA? He both, 564 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: and he failed his polygraph, but no DNA connection. DNA 565 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: is pretty convincing. Let me tell he's like one in 566 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: three trillion that you're not the person. Guys. The good 567 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: news here is there's a new sheriff in town, literally 568 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: rehashing this case. Take a listen hour cut twelve regarding 569 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: DNA at this point in time, you know, we'd look 570 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: at anyone or anything the crime scene, leaving behind DNA 571 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: evidence like bloodstains something they plan to retest. Let's use 572 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: technology we have now to try to see if we 573 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: can't solve this. But why over a decade later with 574 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: no answer? Cold case groups that have kind of looked 575 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: at some of this, did not look at evidence. They 576 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: just looked at the reports from things to Wendy Patrick 577 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: joining me, California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. Wendy, 578 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: that would be my first line of cross exam on 579 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: an expert witness for the defense. They didn't see the evidence. 580 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: They're making an opinion judging off written reports. You've got 581 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: to have this all the evidence we tested. Oh, that's 582 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: for sure. You know, memories may grow cold as to 583 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: the case, but you can breathe new life into a 584 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: cold case through technology. And that's what this new sheriff, 585 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: with his fresh set of eyes and his work ethic, 586 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: is intending to do. And that happens. I mean, we 587 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: have technology today that didn't exist even five years ago, 588 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: much less fifteen. He'll take another look at the lack 589 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: of forced entry. No DNA. I mean, you would have 590 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: thought the boyfriend's DNA would have been Now this is 591 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: a boyfriend girlfriend relationship. I would always think it's suspicious 592 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: if it wasn't. But the fact that he's going to 593 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: take that fresh look, that's got to be great news 594 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,959 Speaker 1: for Britney's family and for that community, because, as you said, 595 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: if somebody gets away with murder once, how hard is 596 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: it the next time? That is a huge point. I'm 597 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: thinking about something, Miss Tye told us. Patricia Ties Britney's mom, 598 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: and you can find her on Facebook. Who killed Britney McLoone. 599 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: You said the boyfriend's sister. Boyfriend flunked to Polly, you think, 600 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: but his DNA didn't match the DNA on her leg. 601 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: You know, you can flunt a Polly. She could be 602 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: under suspicion for murder and be innocent. But then you 603 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: lie on a Polly about smoking a joint and so 604 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: you fail your Polly. That doesn't mean he committed the murder, 605 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: but why would he flaunt the poly? Who else may 606 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: have known? She was there that day? And let me 607 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: remind everyone that the boyfriend and his stepfather were I 608 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: actually caught on surveillance video. Isn't that right, Miss Tye? Yes, 609 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: that's correct. Where at what time after eight o'clock going 610 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: from Winnsboro to the Dallas area, which is about a 611 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: two and a half hour drive each way, so it 612 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: can confirm that part of their story. Yes, Miss Tyce. 613 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 1: How do you keep going some days? I don't, Nancy, 614 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: It's just you know, losing my daughter that would be 615 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: bad enough, but then to murder, and thinking why anybody 616 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: would want to hurt her. She was a completely innocent victim. 617 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: And some days I just can't go forward, you know, 618 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: I just have to be still mysties. Tell me your 619 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: most vivid memory of Brittany. I have so many, just 620 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: even when I had her. I wanted a little girl 621 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: so bad, and she was a dream child, you know, smart, funny, caring, 622 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: not rebellious, no drugs, no alcohol, an honor student, and 623 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: she loved her family, and she made everyone that she 624 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: come in contact with, made them feel that they were 625 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: the most important person in her life. And I would 626 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: very often look at her and just wonder how I 627 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: got so lucky to have such, you know, a dream daughter. 628 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: Please help us solve the mystery surrounding Brittany like guns 629 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: murder tipline nine zero three seven six three two two 630 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: zero one. Goodbye friend,