WEBVTT - Ep. 67: Long Range Hunting with Jon Pynch 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:12.880 Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:14.800 I met today's guest in my booth at the Pacific 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.400 Northwest Sportsman Show probably eight nine years ago. He was 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.479 a quiet guy. He didn't say a whole lot. He 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.720 was kind of sitting in the corner, and I knew 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:24.599 he was good at long range hunting and I was 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.160 kind of getting into it, so I kind of forced 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:27.920 him to talk to men. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:28.920 That's not exactly how it goes. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.320 He's a great guy, just very very quiet, and I 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.879 was getting more into my rifles, you know, my loads, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.800 figuring out how to get all my equipment dialed, and 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.879 he was a great resource. So John Pinch is my 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.640 guest today. I don't know, he's too humble to probably 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.200 tell you how many, but I know he's won hundreds 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.120 of shooting events between the nrl PRS and other shooting events. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.199 When he's not shooting, it seems to be traveling on 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.839 some pretty pretty kick ass big game hunts across the country. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.440 He'd want to be better known as a family man. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.240 I know he's got two kids, you know, a wife 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:58.639 that they spend a lot of time with. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.000 And so welcome to the show. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.680 John, thanks for having me. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:09.800 Jason, good talking me. I don't know if I spend 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.720 a lot of time at home because I've gone so much, 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.400 but yeah, my wife and kids are awesome. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.880 Yeah, how's everything going. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.480 Yeah, No, it's been going good. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.880 Been pretty busy, traveling a lot the last like November 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:22.960 December was real busy. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.039 So it's actually been really laid back. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.600 Just past New Year's here, had a pretty fun Christmas, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.759 been hanging out with the boys and just landlow working 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:32.680 on some stuff at the house. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:33.840 It feels pretty good. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.400 So kind of revamp and getting ready for this next year, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.920 making some plans for business and shooting. And I've done 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.160 landscaping for a long time, kind of phasing out of 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.840 that slowly, but I think this year is looking pretty 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.160 good to hopefully wrap that up and focus continue to 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.040 focus more on the shooting side of things. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:51.840 So it's going good. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.200 So that's a great segue, John, like, what does a 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.480 typical year for you look like as far as hunting 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.600 versus shooting? Like, what's what's a year in your life 0:01:59.600 --> 0:01:59.920 look like? 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:01.720 Yeah? I fly by the. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.120 Seat of my pants a little bit more than some 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.280 of my buddies where they playing out their whole year 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.279 starting in. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.959 Probably let's see into this month. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.320 January, the shoots start kicking off Interill Hunter and PRS, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.119 which is the Precision Rifle League for Precision Rifle. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.000 Series, and. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.600 There's shoots all over US, Canada, you know, went to 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.160 South Africa this year to shoot one, There's something Norway. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.720 They're all over so pretty much you could shoot almost 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.440 every weekend, especially through the spring and early summer. The 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.040 heat of the summer kind of moved some of the 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.960 matches around, Like generally there's not a lot of Arizona 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.840 matches in the middle of the summer and stuff like that. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.720 So I usually am kind of if I have an 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:45.200 open weekend, you know, there's not a fan a big 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.079 family event, or you know, I. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.480 Try to get to the kids baseball. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.720 Tournaments and stuff as much as possible. But as long 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.960 as I got an open weekend, I'm usually booking a 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.480 flight somewhere and hitting the shoot somewhere. So I try 0:02:55.520 --> 0:03:00.000 to shoot as much as I can. Hunting Trump's competent. 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.799 So the last couple of years we had hunts booked 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.000 over the Precision Rifle Series finale, I took a little 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.239 wind out of my sales for really hitting the season hard. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.280 Knowing I couldn't shoot the championship, so I shot. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.800 Three four matches instead of you know, eight to twelve 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.400 or some guys are shooting fifteen eighteen. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:18.600 Matches a year, which which is a lot. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.040 That's a lot of flights, a lot of travel, getting 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.600 guns ready and everything. So I try to shoot as 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.600 mini shoots as I can, schedule permitting, and hopefully I'm 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.320 doing more in the next few years the way some 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:30.359 of my schedules changing. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.520 But then hunting trump's all that. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.280 So some of our hunts we've got dates booked and 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.680 planning for next year. Other ones we try to keep 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.160 a pretty loose schedule, and we've hit multiple cancelation hunts 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.480 the last few years. Just went up to Kodiak last minute, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.840 just on a DII thing a few weeks ago. That's 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.240 when you, I think you initially texted me view podcasts 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.280 is like I'm heading out on a planing tomorrow to 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.320 a little drop camp. So I was trying to kill 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.960 a sick of b locktails. But yeah, kind of some 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.240 of that stuff's just like I said, last minute, But 0:03:58.320 --> 0:03:59.960 that's kind of the way schedule looks. I'm so we're 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.680 got family kids, we got baseball, we got you know, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:03.760 fun stuff going on like that. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.720 Too, so gotcha so so real busy. You could shoot 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.360 as much as you want, Then do you do you 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.360 tend to focus on PRS more so or NRL or 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.120 do you have to hit like a certain amount of 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.760 events to qualify? Like how how do you juggle that 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.719 as well? Like there's all these different events or maybe 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.200 just like you know, single events, like how do you 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.200 how do you how do you play the game? 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.360 I mean it's kind of kind of personal preference. I've 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:31.040 done Interall Hunter, probably a little more I wanted to. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.080 There's a an interal Hunter. There's there's an open class, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.640 which you're done. Can weigh sixteen pounds or less, so 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.960 you can run whatever you want up to sixteen pounds. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.440 There's Light class, which is twelve pounds or less. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.320 There's factory which they have a list of factory rifles 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:47.880 you can't modem at all. You take it out of 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.560 the box at Tica Brigar or whatever their list is. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.359 And then there's teams when two guys can sign up 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.800 and shoot teams. And I wanted to be the first 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.960 one that won every class. So take an open gun 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.520 and when the overall shoot not just first in that 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.480 class take a light gun and when the entire shoot, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.960 and then take a factory gun and beat all the 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.240 custom rifle guys for the entire shoot, and then do 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.200 it in the teams. And so I actually shot in 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.479 a hunter fair bit because I did. I did that, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.279 So that was kind of just an internal goal of mine, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.000 and so that's what I did. More so, I probably 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.880 I think I shot four PRS matches last year five 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.000 and ended up shooting. 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.560 I was able to shoot the finale this year. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.120 Dude, I got six of the finale, so it was good. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:32.880 It's the top two hundred and fifty guys and so 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.320 I shot. I had a good match, but I had 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.920 one bad stage that you know, he takes nothing to 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.200 drop to drop a few spots. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.200 So it's, uh, there's some killers there. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:44.880 There's a bunch of really good I have a really 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.240 good friends in that in that in that group, and 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.839 some guys that are super dedicated to it. So it's yeah, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.839 just kind of I kind of ebb and flow, like 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.479 this year I want to hit perrs a little bit more. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.720 It's it's uh, it's heavy, more purpose. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.760 Built guns, where in or all Hunter is more hunting 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.200 type of guns where the PRS is you know, it's 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.919 a you're shooting a twenty pounds you know, six sixty 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.720 five twenty five cal gun, not much recoil, lots of movement, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.320 real fast shooting, which I'm I'm real good at. But 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.839 it's the pinnacle shooting, like it is the best shooters 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.560 in the world. Yeah, and I want to shoot that 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:21.880 more just because it makes me better. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:22.440 Yeah. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:27.480 Interial Hunter is a different It combines glassing, u position building, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.920 it combines a lot of different elements that I love. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.240 But just purely shooting PRS. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.040 Is Yeah, is difficult because there's target acquisition in NRAL, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:38.800 Like you have to spot your target, get your own, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.840 you know, all of that, which adds into the game. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:41.440 The game. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.320 So I want to I want to rewind this a 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.039 little bit. You would never say this, but it was 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.919 internally in your head. You basically took a gun that 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.640 you could buy off of a shelf and then went 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.040 and beat the some shooters shooting the best, most fancy 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:54.080 guns that you could build. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.160 Yeah, so I did barely by idea. 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:00.880 So I mean you would, like I said, you're you're 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.880 very you know, modest, humble, But but that just kind 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.280 of for all the listeners. Lets you in the kind 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.400 of how good John is and he'll never say it, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.160 but I mean to take a gun that's that's literally 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.880 a stock gun and beating you know, custom rifles. It 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.240 kind of just hints to to how good you are 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.160 behind a gun and you know, your your dedication, your time. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.800 You know you're always shooting, always reload, and always tinkering, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.080 and so it goes along ways to to kind of 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.720 just explain, you know, the level that you're at. And 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.240 so I think that's that's worth stating. So we're gonna 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.960 we're gonna jump into some into some listener questions now 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.119 like we always do, because you are a couple question 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.200 answers we've we've pulled from social media. If you have 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.200 questions for me or my guests, please email them to 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.280 us at c T D at Phelps game Calls dot com, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.720 or hit us up on a social media message or 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.760 a social post. So our first question today comes from Tyson. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.800 I screwed that all up, Tyson Lundahl, how do you 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.760 go about judging for win down range and over terrain features? 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.920 And I know this is probably like the trickiest part 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.040 of everything. We're going to talk about later. You know, like, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.520 there isn't wind on your ridge. What are the science 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.880 or what are you picking out out there to make 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.960 your wind call? Which which I I don't know your answer, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.320 but I'm going to assume that that up and down 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.960 is pretty easy for the most part. But left and 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.280 right is where the whole game and the art comes in. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.720 But go ahead and explain, like what you can use 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:26.920 to figure out when? 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:34.920 Yeah, So, I mean, so there's there's the art and 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.600 the science of long range shooting, and wind is the art. Right, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.720 there's it's never fixed, it's you're never on a flat plane. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.040 There's ups, there's downs, there's left, there's rights, there's eddies, 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.280 there's box canyons that swirl. So so there's the science. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.360 You know, there's a lot of data, there's a lot 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.200 of blissed calculators, there's a lot of things that do 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.200 a really good job with cross wind, jump and every 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.400 variable you can imagine. And then there's the art of it. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.720 And so there isn't a hard and fast answer. You 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.760 pretty much you look at anything you can get. You 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.560 if there's grass, if there's trees, if there's anything in 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.320 the air, if there's rain, if there's fog, anything that 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.720 you can see you take into account obviously. I mean 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.920 it's kind of a kind of a no brainer. Some 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.280 people say, oh, you watch train when water rolls, and yeah, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.400 that's that's good, But that doesn't also cover water doesn't 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:23.120 roll uphill. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:24.680 And so if there's a big. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.680 Updraft, like I don't know, Like so I've had some 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:28.640 big up drafts. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.280 If I'm say I'm on. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.120 A valley, I'm up here, I'm shooting over here more 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.080 it's actually more if I'm up here and this is 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.079 a long valley running out and there's like kind of 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.600 hills on this you know, here and here, and there's 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.600 a valley coming at you, and the wind's coming at you. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.880 If I'm shooting across to those with a strong wind 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.640 in your face, you'll get a bit. I'll get a 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:50.719 big updraft. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:50.840 On this hill. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.080 That wind's ripping up this hill, and it'll hold my 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.679 bullet up. And so those are all things that are 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:02.840 so hard to take into account. It kind of leads 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.800 into another I think the most important thing that you 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.840 can do as a shooter, and it's it changed a 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.960 lot of my I don't know philosophy is the right. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:13.280 Word, but. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.720 Gun build choice weights calibers, so I can spot my 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.080 own shot. You have to see where your bullet lands. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.800 And a lot of guys don't. A lot of guys 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.600 shoot the recoils gone. They rely on their buddy, and 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.920 if they're solo, they're out of lock. They shoot and 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.200 they hope they hit it. And if you can spot 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.840 your shots, stuff happens. You can make a bad wind call, 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.440 you can do anything. But if you can spot your shot, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.160 generally you can measure that and make a quick correction 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.440 and get a second round impact. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:45.880 That's not ideal. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.920 I'm just saying there's stuff happens, and no one's ever 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.160 right one hundred percent of time on wind. And so 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.480 if I'm on the canyon and it's calm where I'm at, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.440 generally you can hear wind, or you can see wind, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:11:00.240 you know something's going on. If it's that far, if 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.760 it's if you're two canyons away, generally you're talking like 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.839 thousand plus yards depending on the train. I'm gonna recommend 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.600 cutting the distance. I'm not the long range guy. I've 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.480 shot as much as anybody or more, and I'm not 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.120 I'm never the guy that backs up to another one 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.640 hundred yards so I shoot a thousand instead of nine hundred, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.160 and I'm not going to post that on social We 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.400 made a lot of long shots. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.880 I'm never gonna people ask how far. I just don't 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:27.560 say I don't. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.160 There's elements of long range shooting that I love it, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.880 but I also I hate the social media. I killed 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.840 this at fourteen hundred yards of one shot. I was like, well, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.800 you couldn't do that. If we went out and on steel, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.640 you'd missed that steel a lot. I know you would 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.719 because I've shot more than you. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.920 Not to sound arrogant, but yeah, it's hard, and so 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.320 you take anything. I mean, generally, you can hear wind. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.640 You can see it, especially evergreen trees are real easy 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.240 to read, big fir trees. You can see the directs 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.320 and the winds hitting the backside of the trees relatively 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.000 calm the front the branches are kind of peeling around, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.000 and then it's just experience. Hey, is that a seven over? 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.440 There? Is that a fifteen mile an hour? 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.720 And then if it's dead for three hundred yards, you 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.120 don't have wind until you hit four and five hundred yards, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.280 so you can We're getting a little deep here for 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.920 a podcast, but you can you can run your brackets out. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.040 Like when you shoot. When you shoot a. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.760 Bullet, the biggest deflections right out of your gun. If 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.800 you take a bullet off course out of the muzzle, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.079 it's going to be way off course down range. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.520 If it doesn't go off course till. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.240 Three or four hundred yards, if you're protected along a 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.600 clear cut tree line, or it's just you're in this 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:36.760 some sort of you're in the bottom and it doesn't 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.559 get into the wind until you shoot out the top. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.119 Then you're cutting your wind drift down. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.200 The first four hundred yards don't see wind and maybe 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.520 the last three hundred yards see a fifteen mile an hour. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.679 So you can kind of break that down into brackets 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:48.480 of what it's going to do. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.880 All that comes from experience. I wish I had like 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.720 this really good answer. You do this, this, and this. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.040 It doesn't exist. It's an art. It comes from a 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.760 lot of practice and taking everything into account. What I 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.640 see a lot of guys do is the moment happens. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.560 It's quick. Half the times they forget to dial something 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.719 or what just they don't level their gun. Go through 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.160 your checklist, make sure your range is perfect. These are 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.080 no brainer things. Make sure your levels perfect. Take a 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.040 second to slow down and make a really good thought 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.360 process on wind. Study the trees, study the cobwebs, floating 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.600 anything you can see, and don't be afraid to hold wind. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.640 In the comp world, we talk about like missing on 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.520 the pro side. So beginners always miss downwind. They never 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.000 hold enough wind, and so missing on the pro side 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.160 would be missing upwind. If you're gonna if I'm gonna 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.000 miss a plan, I want to miss upwind because you 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.800 rarely overjudge wind. It's just like a natural tendency. People 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:41.600 will get scared. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.640 To hold down much hold that far. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.160 So yeah, I mean there's a lot of things we 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:45.439 could go. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.280 You know, we could talk about this forever, but I 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.480 think just slow down and be very aware if you're 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:51.199 not comfortable. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:51.959 Cut distance. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.200 Generally, if you're looking over a couple of canyons, you 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.240 can get to the next ridge. Yeah, just cut the distance, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:58.760 get to six hundred seven hundrey yards. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:13:59.040 Yeah. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.520 And one of the things you know, especially on wind, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.960 that I like to do is in my ballistic calculator, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.680 if I if I think it could be a five, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.360 but then it could be a ten, I want to 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.400 go look at the difference like how much error is 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.160 in my my calculation? And if it's more than what's 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.320 acceptable at that range, then I need to get closer, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.440 you know. And so it's like, how confident am I 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.440 that this is a five or a ten or if 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.800 it's only five hundred yards, it's not gonna matter, right, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.760 But if if I'm taking a shot at seven or 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.680 eight hundred and it starts to move that bullet an 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.960 extra you know, whatever it might be, I'm like, well, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.360 that's not that's not ethical, you know, in my opinion, 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.120 then I need to get closer or not take the shot. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.800 And so I do a lot of that, Like here's 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.200 my envelope. I think it could be as low as three, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.720 it could be as high as ten. And then like 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.200 where does that move my bullet? And can I compensate 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.600 for that? Am I still going to hit vitals if 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.920 I'm at either end? And can I you know, split that? 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.160 Like you say, it's all in art what you're comfortable with, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.960 And I'm gonna go This kind of a good segue 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.400 to our next question from Charlie Smith, who's my buddy 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:57.680 of my good time hunting partner. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.120 You guys, is this banter online? 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.880 As always gone, oh yeah, and this this this banner 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.120 kind of comes into this question where it's stuff that 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.000 we all talk about behind the scenes, but when you 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.080 you don't want to necessarily knock long range hunting. But 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.840 so Charlie Smith's question is do you think long range 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.320 rifles are ruining hunting? Which is is a fair question. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.560 And when you say ruining hunting, is it ruining our season? 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.880 Shortening them? Is it taking too many animals? But like, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.080 what's your opinion on that? Because it is something that 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.440 I feel like we should have to be able to 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.880 answer if you're gonna shoot. And then the other thing 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.800 is what is long range hunting defined as, which I 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.600 don't even want to get into right now, but like 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.000 in your opinion. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.840 Is this whole long range movement? Is it? Is it 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.720 affecting hunting? And to what degree? 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:39.480 Yeah? 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.600 I mean I don't I don't understand how you you 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.920 could say it's not. How is technology not? I mean 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.640 when I started archery, I mean I shot archer for years, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.280 years ago, a forty fifty yard shot was a tough shot. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.080 Now now my bow's got a slider and I can 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.280 you can stackers at a hundred yards like it's it's 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.600 and you look at muzzleloaders, right, you look at these 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.280 crazy muzzleloaders that are shooting smoke powder some of the states. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.160 I mean, I think those rules are changing. But there's 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.480 buzzle there's five six, seven hundred yards, you know, and 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.120 so yeah, absolutely. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.520 More animals are dying. People are getting better at hunting. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.800 There's so much information like this podcast and many others 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:14.640 and internet forums. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.760 So yeah, I think it is. I think states. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:24.600 I think I worry about a lot hunting. I've had 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.320 the opportunity to go on some high end hunts that 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.480 are out of my budget that because of the buddy 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.320 I have and experienced both sides the thing. I mean, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.280 I grew up over the counter hunting and I live 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.840 in western Oregon, grew up in western Washington. So we're 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.640 hunting roses and blacktails parked in the trailhead which used 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.280 to be three or four trucks now it's ten or twenty, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.280 and so we all see the same thing. I see 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.920 how money is affecting opportunity big time. It's not a 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.280 good thing or a bad thing. It just is what 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:59.280 it is. And hunting is, yeah, killing stuff with the 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.120 rifles easy than it used to be. I think unfortunately 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.280 fish you know, fish and game departments get funding from 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.560 tag sales, and they're not going to cut numbers, and 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.560 I wish they would. I think there needs to be 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.159 less opportunity. I mean, you look at Arizona and the 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:14.560 way they look at hunting. I got a lot of 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.399 buddies down there. They apply it their whole life, and 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.720 they hunt with other people because they draw every five, ten, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.680 fifteen years, but they hunt every year with the group 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.080 just because tags are so hard to get. I don't 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:31.400 like that, but there's the reality of supplying demand quality 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.680 I don't and it's also a different value. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.040