Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, I am your post.
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon and Joe Buck joins us this week to
Speaker 1: discuss the season it was with our U s g
Speaker 1: A Championships the US Open a Pebble Beach. We talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about our golf games and how oh
Speaker 1: so close we've come to winning club championships at our
Speaker 1: respective clubs, and yet neither of us have our name
Speaker 1: on a board. And of course we dove a little
Speaker 1: into the NFL season super Bowl at Fox this year,
Speaker 1: so a big year for Joe and it was very
Speaker 1: nice of him to jump on, especially with the busy
Speaker 1: week he's got with Giants Cowboys on Sunday on Fox.
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Speaker 1: A pretty slow weekn golf, really, I mean the US
Speaker 1: Open and tennis is wrapping up, Football is ramping up,
Speaker 1: the Walker Cup is happening across the pond, but not
Speaker 1: much else is going on. Joe Buck joins us and
Speaker 1: talks about our season and all the things that we
Speaker 1: went through in twenty nineteen and the successes we had
Speaker 1: a pebble beach next week. Before we get to the
Speaker 1: chat with Joe, I just want to let you know
Speaker 1: next week tune in because Julie Ankster is gonna be
Speaker 1: on to preview the Solheim Cup. Of course, she's the
Speaker 1: captain going for three wins in a row, has to
Speaker 1: take a very young team across the pond. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna go from Joe buck a legend in the broadcasting world,
Speaker 1: to Julie Inkster, a legend in the golfing world, back
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Speaker 1: out next week. Let's get to my man, Joe buck Well,
Speaker 1: we welcome back into the Clubhouse name you may know.
Speaker 1: He's an up and coming broadcaster for Fox. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have a great career if he keeps
Speaker 1: it going. Joe buck Joe, You've got Giants Dallas this week.
Speaker 1: First NFL game, and I heard eighteen years straight with
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman. That's the longest in the NFL. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's shocked both of us. We saw a
Speaker 1: thing online and I think it was on Twitter, which
Speaker 1: means there was about a thirty four percent chance that
Speaker 1: it's true that Aikman and I are gaining on Madden
Speaker 1: and Summer All as the longest running pair at least
Speaker 1: the most volume of games, and I think now withouting
Speaker 1: Thursday nights, we're kind of making up ground here with bounds.
Speaker 1: But it's been a good run. I mean. The best
Speaker 1: thing is, and I think we all have this in golf,
Speaker 1: is turning out a really good friends, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that's the fun part of the golf that we do.
Speaker 1: And you do a ton more of it than I do.
Speaker 1: But it's nice in this business that can be a
Speaker 1: little ego filled or can be a little uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, insecurity driven where everybody's wondering you know, who's
Speaker 1: coming after him and all that. We we just we're
Speaker 1: really close friends, and I think that's how we are
Speaker 1: in Gulf, and I think that's the only way to be.
Speaker 1: Because everybody's sniping at you from the outside, you might
Speaker 1: as well know that the guy or the guy and
Speaker 1: gal or whoever you're with, uh, that they've got your back.
Speaker 1: And that's a good feeling. So it starts there and
Speaker 1: then we we you know, have the professional relationship after that.
Speaker 1: But it's it's good to get along like we do.
Speaker 1: I want to get into the Gulf for in a minute,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to just talk about your first game.
Speaker 1: I can only assume you do plenty of prep to
Speaker 1: get ready for the season. This has to be the
Speaker 1: biggest curveball you've had for a first game, I can guess,
Speaker 1: and as long as you can remember, outside of maybe
Speaker 1: a quarterback getting injured, going into week one, with the
Speaker 1: Zeke news breaking basically today, how does that change your
Speaker 1: prep and you guys preparing for this game with Zeke
Speaker 1: possibly playing, maybe not playing, but at least being on
Speaker 1: the team and being on the sidelines. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the beauty of it is that we've got such a
Speaker 1: good relationship, working relationship with the Cowboys, with their PR
Speaker 1: director Rich Dalrymple, who was there when Troy was a player.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was Troy's back up when they were both playing. Uh,
Speaker 1: Prescott has become a friend. Zeke Elliott is from St.
Speaker 1: Louis and went to high school little literally across the
Speaker 1: street from my neighborhood, So I think there's some trust there.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be honest with us um And I
Speaker 1: say that because sometimes you go into team meetings where
Speaker 1: head coaches and they might not know you, They may
Speaker 1: not know what you were, where your allegiances are, and
Speaker 1: so they still will keep things really close to the
Speaker 1: vest I think when we get there on Friday, well,
Speaker 1: that's the right questions. Will have what their game plan
Speaker 1: is going in and then you see how it unfolds.
Speaker 1: But at least we'll have what they were thinking on
Speaker 1: Friday UH as kind of a foundation of whatever we say,
Speaker 1: and then we'll see where the game goes and how
Speaker 1: many carries Elliott gets. They love this kid Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: who's behind him. Uh, and and we'll see how it
Speaker 1: all shakes out. But the good thing is it's Dallas,
Speaker 1: so they're not gonna give us the runaround. I think
Speaker 1: they'll be really honest with where we uh, where we start,
Speaker 1: and then how the game finishes, and we'll compose too. Well.
Speaker 1: Going back to kind of our season in golf, and
Speaker 1: really I would say easily the most the well, most
Speaker 1: well accepted event we've ever done, I'd stay with the
Speaker 1: US Open at Pebble Beach and then we talked about
Speaker 1: it was a perfect storm of US Opens. I mean,
Speaker 1: we get a chance to showcase one of the most
Speaker 1: beautiful golf courses in the world, a place everybody knows,
Speaker 1: a place that has continued to create these unbelievable championships.
Speaker 1: When the U S g A goes back when you
Speaker 1: go through our US opens and you started Chambers Bay.
Speaker 1: All of our U S opens have had stories. I
Speaker 1: mean there's not been a single snooze or Chambers was
Speaker 1: great for the drama, of course. I mean you think
Speaker 1: about Oakmont and with DJ and the ruling and nobody
Speaker 1: even knowing where they stood. Then you get Brooks Kapta
Speaker 1: bursting on the scene is kind of an unnoted Aaron
Speaker 1: Hills and then solidifying himself as one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the world at Shinnecock, and then we get Pebble,
Speaker 1: And I feel like universally people loved what we were
Speaker 1: able to do there for that US Open, and it
Speaker 1: was a collective effort for sure, but it had to
Speaker 1: feel for you, I'm sure like it did for us
Speaker 1: walking away. It had to feel as good as any
Speaker 1: of them we've done yet. Yeah, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any doubt about that. I mean I could talk for
Speaker 1: three hours on this perfic, and you and I have
Speaker 1: certainly talked enough about it on our own when we've
Speaker 1: been together at a bar and a booth or whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, booth meeting at work, and I think
Speaker 1: what we've had since two thousands have seen is exactly
Speaker 1: what you said, a perfect storm. And I think it's
Speaker 1: been more storm that it's been perfect. Um two thousand fifteen,
Speaker 1: as you said, with Cheamber's Bay, and the course was
Speaker 1: new to everybody, and it had a different look to
Speaker 1: it for U s open, so a gorgeous, wonderful place.
Speaker 1: But when you go in and and all the comments
Speaker 1: are about the greens and the polana and the bumpiness,
Speaker 1: and people are complaining all day and now we're new
Speaker 1: and it's hard to follow the golf ball because of
Speaker 1: the glare from the water. You know, you can make
Speaker 1: excuses all day. I think we could have been at
Speaker 1: Open my year one. We could have been a wing
Speaker 1: Foot or Pebble year one. It probably would have been
Speaker 1: the same reception right where. I think when anything's new,
Speaker 1: people don't like change, and it takes a while for
Speaker 1: them to get used to going, Okay, the US opening, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's on Fox. We get it back and it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: where's Johnny Miller, Where's Dan Hicks? Where are the guys
Speaker 1: that I'm used to calling this? And then two thousands,
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen and he said you just go forward,
Speaker 1: and it's been I think for us incrementally better and
Speaker 1: for the viewer incrementally more familiar. And then, as you said,
Speaker 1: we we get the beauty that is Pubble Beach. I
Speaker 1: thought our truck, meaning our director and our producer, did
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job of giving different camera angles, different camera mechanisms,
Speaker 1: like with a drone off that cliff On eight, Uh,
Speaker 1: making the golf course look different and even more spectacular
Speaker 1: than we see it any other time. And it's on
Speaker 1: TV at least once, probably twice a year, and uh,
Speaker 1: we were doing new things. And when Jim dances in
Speaker 1: the booth, he said as much, and he meant it.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys are showing parts of this golf
Speaker 1: course in this area that have never been seen on TV.
Speaker 1: And most people, you know, aren't gonna be lucky and
Speaker 1: have to go to Pebble Beach in their lifetime, so
Speaker 1: they've got to see it and know it's from television.
Speaker 1: And so I thought the truck did a great job.
Speaker 1: I thought we accepted some really great option. Brooks was
Speaker 1: right there basically till the end. And then this great
Speaker 1: story of Gary Woodland and this incredible little chip off
Speaker 1: the seventeenth grade. I mean there was there was a
Speaker 1: lot there and I did I walked away copy or
Speaker 1: that I've ever walked away from a golf event at Fox,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. And it's interesting when you get a
Speaker 1: golf course like Pebble because when you think about golfers,
Speaker 1: even even serious golf fans, if I went up to
Speaker 1: somebody that that was a two handicap that watches every
Speaker 1: week and said, what's number five at Wingfoot, they probably
Speaker 1: have no idea. Same at Oakmont, you know, same at Shinnecock.
Speaker 1: But at Pebble they know because they see it year
Speaker 1: to year. It really is outside of Augusta National and
Speaker 1: maybe the old course at St. Andrew's, Pebbles a golf
Speaker 1: course that people know and they can remember the holes,
Speaker 1: they can remember the moments. I feel like as much
Speaker 1: as in golf course in the world. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of in our chair, sit back and
Speaker 1: let the golf course speak of speak itself. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You know that that's a really
Speaker 1: comforting feeling too for us going in. You know, you're
Speaker 1: not confused when you see a shot like wait, are
Speaker 1: we at six or we at twelve, you know where
Speaker 1: are we at? Are we on the second hole or
Speaker 1: is this fifteen? I mean, you know the shots, you
Speaker 1: know what the golf course looks like, and you could
Speaker 1: draw it on a place mat and and that's that's
Speaker 1: a really comforting feeling going in especially you know for
Speaker 1: us being still relatively new at covering the event or
Speaker 1: covering golf. Uh you know that that's good. But like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, the NFL will tell you that
Speaker 1: of their fans experience and knowing the NFL and players
Speaker 1: and stadiums and uniform colors and whatever sideline shots come
Speaker 1: from television, of their fans in the NFL actually see
Speaker 1: a game in the stadium, and if they do, they're
Speaker 1: certainly not traveling around. And I think that's the case
Speaker 1: with Pebble. I mean, people know that golf course from television.
Speaker 1: It's fun during the program in February. Uh so, I
Speaker 1: think you know, whether you see old video of Jack
Speaker 1: Lennon hitting a ball out of the ice plants or
Speaker 1: you see Gary Woodland hitting a ball from the rough
Speaker 1: in in the same nearby area, it's familiar. And I
Speaker 1: think for viewer and broadcast are alike, that's that's a
Speaker 1: good feeling. And like you said, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: beauty that CBS has every year with covering the Masters.
Speaker 1: They know every corner, every blade of grass at Augusta
Speaker 1: National and uh, we had a little taste of that
Speaker 1: from being a Pebble Well, you mentioned bringing Jim Nance
Speaker 1: up to the booth. It was something that you brought up.
Speaker 1: You reached out to him. I believe you reached out
Speaker 1: to him on social media. I know you said something
Speaker 1: on air during our broadcast and I think people are
Speaker 1: a little surprised. I mean, you're bringing up Jim Nance,
Speaker 1: who does golf week to week. He does it all
Speaker 1: that's time. He's one of the best in the world
Speaker 1: to ever do it. Of course he gets through the
Speaker 1: Masters and on and on and on, and he comes
Speaker 1: up to the booth and you really you kind of
Speaker 1: step aside a little bit and let Jim talk about
Speaker 1: the beauty of Pebble Beach and you know, a guy
Speaker 1: that lives there and knows the golf course like the
Speaker 1: back of his hand. It was a really cool moment,
Speaker 1: I think for golf fans and for broadcasting fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, you know, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: when I was walking back, I think from the practice
Speaker 1: round day um that we cover on Wednesday, and I
Speaker 1: was walking up that main street that leads to the
Speaker 1: lodge and coming back the other way in a golf
Speaker 1: cart was Eric Shanks, who's our boss, and Larry Jones,
Speaker 1: who's boss one A, and they had just seen Jim
Speaker 1: and Shanks and Larry said, what do you think about
Speaker 1: trying to have him on? I said, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That'd be unbelievable. And I've kind of gone through this
Speaker 1: same the same dance with Vince Scully over the years,
Speaker 1: whether we've done an All Star Game in San Diego,
Speaker 1: then please come down south and do that, or we've
Speaker 1: done a postseason in series at Dodger Stadium. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I I refer back to my childhood and
Speaker 1: being my dad Jack bucks son and knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: the reverence for these older voices and these men that
Speaker 1: have done it for so long. Not to say the
Speaker 1: gym's in that category, but he's damn close, and he's
Speaker 1: he's the standard for what we do, and he's the best,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, to ever do it with all the
Speaker 1: different moving parts that there are now in a golf
Speaker 1: telecast compared to golf covered even in the eighties. Um,
Speaker 1: so it made all the sense in the world. I
Speaker 1: did ask him on the air to try to put
Speaker 1: the pressure on him. I don't know that I have
Speaker 1: to put the pressure on him. I think he wanted
Speaker 1: to do it. And then it became world CBS let
Speaker 1: him do it. And there were certain rules that they
Speaker 1: were uh that they put out there, like no more
Speaker 1: than ten minutes. We don't want to actually just at five.
Speaker 1: We're like, well we're at least doing ten. We're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, say yes, but you know, ask for forgiveness
Speaker 1: instead of permission, and then we're gonna So they say,
Speaker 1: know him, don't let him call in a live golf
Speaker 1: action and said that and I don't know who hit
Speaker 1: a shot filler Tiger and immediately jumped into calling call
Speaker 1: and I got into the talk back, which just goes
Speaker 1: to the trap and our producer I was like, well,
Speaker 1: there's rule number two. We just broke. So but that's
Speaker 1: what I wanted. I wish you'd stayed there for an hour.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that stuff's good, and it means
Speaker 1: you don't take yourself to seriously. I mean, you're not paranoid,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think that's good for everybody. And this
Speaker 1: might be a little inside baseball, but I just thought
Speaker 1: it was such an important moment really for our year.
Speaker 1: At the US Women's Open, our producer Mark Loomis pulled
Speaker 1: all the broadcasters into the trailer and we watched as
Speaker 1: a team the US Open from Shinnecock Hills, and he
Speaker 1: basically pulled together some different moments and some great stuff
Speaker 1: he thought we did, and some stuff that he just
Speaker 1: wanted to point out. You know, make sure you don't
Speaker 1: talk over this. And you and I had a conversation
Speaker 1: after that, and you said to me, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was an unbelievable point. You said, it's really in
Speaker 1: warton to make sure you're watching what's going on on
Speaker 1: the screen. And when people hear that, they might think, well,
Speaker 1: that seems silly. Of course you're doing that, but you
Speaker 1: know there's five thousand things going on. There's cards, were getting,
Speaker 1: people are in our ear, We're getting text messages. You've
Speaker 1: you've even mentioned having Twitter open one time ever in
Speaker 1: a broadcast. You deleted it right away after that. There's
Speaker 1: a lot happening. I mean, I'm next to Brad Facts
Speaker 1: and he's face timing Tom Brady during the broadcast. You
Speaker 1: know everything he does, and then you and I you
Speaker 1: you can miss stuff at times. And I really tried
Speaker 1: hard during this season to just watch the golf. And
Speaker 1: it's funny, it helps so much if you're just paying
Speaker 1: attention to the screen. It was it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was so simple, and but I think necessary certainly
Speaker 1: for you and I. But but I said it out
Speaker 1: loud for the whole group to hear, because you know,
Speaker 1: all all the viewer knows is what we say as
Speaker 1: a group, and they don't know what we're doing when
Speaker 1: we're not talking. And and in these big boots that
Speaker 1: we have, and and you know, you and acts are
Speaker 1: in another location, and Paul and I do holes one
Speaker 1: and two, You do three and four, We do five
Speaker 1: and six and on down the line. And so when
Speaker 1: it goes to the third hole, theoretically I could check out,
Speaker 1: and you know, text my wife back, or get on
Speaker 1: my get on my social media if I wanted to,
Speaker 1: or get on my email and read people's thoughts, people
Speaker 1: that I trust, people that are saying, hey, you guys
Speaker 1: are missing this or whatever it might be. And I
Speaker 1: fell into that trap. The first whatever, it's been four
Speaker 1: years and I had so many things flying around. The
Speaker 1: last priority I had was to actually watch the golf
Speaker 1: and listen to the two of you and try to
Speaker 1: for continuity sake, carry it forward when it comes back around.
Speaker 1: And now it's back on the holes that Paul and
Speaker 1: I cover. And it seems simple, but there's so many
Speaker 1: avenues of information. I just turned my computer off. I
Speaker 1: basically set my phone over in the owner of the booth,
Speaker 1: and I just watched and reacted. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the best thing I could have ever done. It's why
Speaker 1: I was better, uh, not trying to cram fourteen thousand
Speaker 1: things in. Just take your time, watch the action and
Speaker 1: react to it. And and that's really I think that's
Speaker 1: really serving the viewer past if they want stats, you know,
Speaker 1: stats every once in a while tell the story, but
Speaker 1: but sometimes they just get in the way. And uh
Speaker 1: so you need to find a balance. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what we finally did. Yeah, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's so many things going on, and
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, when it's your whole I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything. It's easy to not listen,
Speaker 1: but the moment you don't listen, I repeat something you
Speaker 1: just said, maybe he's three or four this week out
Speaker 1: of the bunker, or he hadn't Mr Green since Thursday afternoon,
Speaker 1: and you say that right after you say it, somebody
Speaker 1: at home is they absolutely notice it, and they're going,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't even listening, So they noticed that if
Speaker 1: we do it wrong, and it's on us to make
Speaker 1: sure we listen. And I thought it was, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's those little prep moments that happened what three
Speaker 1: weeks before the US open that help everybody. And I
Speaker 1: thought it was a great point to bring up. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, if you're repeating something I just said,
Speaker 1: or if I'm repeating something you just said, it's taking
Speaker 1: up time that could be better spent on something else.
Speaker 1: And it's because because we don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: You know that. The thing that I was most hit
Speaker 1: by year one was you know, you think, oh, it's golf.
Speaker 1: I've fallen asleep to this on my couch in my
Speaker 1: adult years, and so it's gonna be slow, and it's
Speaker 1: actually the opposite. It's way faster than me covering the
Speaker 1: NFL or covering major League baseball for sure, because in
Speaker 1: baseball a guy standing at the plate and it's ball one,
Speaker 1: strike one, ball two, ball three, strike two, foul ball
Speaker 1: follow But you could talk about whatever you want during
Speaker 1: that time. Well, here it's dip into a golf hole.
Speaker 1: Here's speed second shot to part four. You see a
Speaker 1: land him, You're off to the next location, next golfer,
Speaker 1: set up the situation. Now you're gone there and go
Speaker 1: to the next one. So I just think it's finally
Speaker 1: have figured out. I think enough. You'll never be you
Speaker 1: never have it all figured out, but enough to make
Speaker 1: it pleasing to people watching. And and I think this year,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people seem to like it.
Speaker 1: But I again, I don't go back to Chambers Bay
Speaker 1: and go, man, we blew it. I think we needed to.
Speaker 1: You know, you need to take your lumps publicly, which
Speaker 1: is part of the deal now. And you need to
Speaker 1: know what you do and don't need to know and
Speaker 1: where you do, and don't need to go in a
Speaker 1: broadcast to actually figure it out. So it's just a
Speaker 1: means to an end. And and you know this this
Speaker 1: finally starting to straighten out for us. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like people you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say universally, but they've enjoyed our coverage. They've enjoyed it
Speaker 1: year after year, more and more and more, and maybe
Speaker 1: some people don't love us. The one thing I do
Speaker 1: feel confident, insane, is that our Fox broadcast team, really
Speaker 1: the host of Fox Golf, lead the country in coming
Speaker 1: up close in club championship wins. And I know you
Speaker 1: came so close this year. You were playing great golf
Speaker 1: and you were in the championship match, right, yeah. I
Speaker 1: beat probably the three best guys at our club. It's
Speaker 1: the way we do it at Old Worset in St.
Speaker 1: Louis is kind of year long. Uh my n C
Speaker 1: double a bracket and you just match up with whoever's
Speaker 1: next in the on the list, and then you schedule
Speaker 1: a match and you go play. I beat Fred Hall,
Speaker 1: I beat a couple of guys that played college golf,
Speaker 1: and I I was playing well, but I got into
Speaker 1: the championship match in uh thirty six holes and putted horribly.
Speaker 1: Like I you know, I used to always say, well,
Speaker 1: I would take hitting it great and putting awful. I
Speaker 1: take that every time, and I don't feel that one anymore.
Speaker 1: It's it's double frustrating to hit it really well. And
Speaker 1: then three put first eighteen was I three putted eleven times,
Speaker 1: which is like impossible. And then then I kind of
Speaker 1: then I switched putters because I just put a new
Speaker 1: putter in the bag that day, which is moronic. I
Speaker 1: went back to the old putter and I was down
Speaker 1: five after twelve. It's match played down four after thirty
Speaker 1: and I got up back down to one with two
Speaker 1: holes to go, I was down one. I hit the
Speaker 1: middle of the green on a part three. He missed,
Speaker 1: but he got up and down on me. We tied,
Speaker 1: went to eight team, we both parted. I lost by one,
Speaker 1: but it was a fun day. I lost one of
Speaker 1: my best friends that up and down. I was proud
Speaker 1: of him for doing it because everybody at the club
Speaker 1: showed up. And uh, that was really when both of
Speaker 1: us played our best golf, and when I made it
Speaker 1: more of a match, So you know, all at all,
Speaker 1: I was how I played. I would just beyond frustrated
Speaker 1: with how I put it. And I mean, you you're
Speaker 1: a sneaky golf nut. I would say, you really enjoy playing.
Speaker 1: I had Joel clad I'm sitting it. I'm sitting at
Speaker 1: Old Worson right now talking to you to Central time
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, So anyway, go ahead. You know, well, I
Speaker 1: had Joel clad On last week, who was the biggest
Speaker 1: golf nut on the planet, and he was talking to
Speaker 1: me about how he is. You know, he's excited about
Speaker 1: the college football season, but he's depressed because he doesn't
Speaker 1: play as much golf. Does your golf go down once
Speaker 1: football season starts? Yes, a couple of factors. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you're a first time new dad, and I
Speaker 1: am a multiple time new dad, so I've got a
Speaker 1: year and a half year old more or less, uh,
Speaker 1: twin boys and has cut into it as well. But
Speaker 1: I think it makes you kind of waste less time
Speaker 1: and really focus the practice sessions to to really work
Speaker 1: on what you need to work on and then get
Speaker 1: out of there. So I I was a range king
Speaker 1: in not a I didn't play a ton of golf
Speaker 1: this year. I just having to play three grade matches
Speaker 1: leading into the championship. But yeah, it takes a backseat
Speaker 1: to everything. Uh. And I live St. Louis, so at
Speaker 1: some point here it's gonna get chili. And uh, I
Speaker 1: don't really like playing in rain, and I really don't
Speaker 1: like playing in the cold. So no matter what I want,
Speaker 1: the conditions are not ripe for uh, for a lot
Speaker 1: of play. Yeah. The one thing I've learned in three
Speaker 1: months of being a dad is the one thing you've
Speaker 1: got to cut out is hanging at the club that
Speaker 1: just goes away. That's that's a non existing thing anymore.
Speaker 1: It is how long does golf take? Four hours? Okay,
Speaker 1: I want you home in four hours and twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: And this is coming from somebody that has a really
Speaker 1: cool life. Yeah. No, I I am the same way.
Speaker 1: And uh my wife gets it. And she's got her things,
Speaker 1: you know, and she works at ESPN and she understands
Speaker 1: the work end of it too, and you know, different
Speaker 1: obligations I have and preparing for a game, which I've
Speaker 1: done kind of late night this week and in the
Speaker 1: early morning. But uh, but she also understands it. If
Speaker 1: I'm going to have any outlet, it's golf, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a healthy I'll let to have. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not running around. I'm not at bars
Speaker 1: all night. I'm not doing. All I wanna do is
Speaker 1: when I have a chunk of time, I want to
Speaker 1: go hit balls and I want to try to get
Speaker 1: better at playing this great game and uh, and she
Speaker 1: understands that. So, but there's no doubt you're right, there's
Speaker 1: no Hi, let's sit around and have a fear. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just hang and talk to everybody that just finished
Speaker 1: and sit up there and make fun of guys coming
Speaker 1: up eight team. It's it's you know, you're You're gone.
Speaker 1: I'm the king of changing shoes in the parking lot
Speaker 1: and uh and busting at home as best I can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the changing shoes in the parking lot. That's my biggest
Speaker 1: knock on private clubs is I feel really uncomfortable changing
Speaker 1: shoes in the parking lot of private golf courses. And
Speaker 1: I just wish it's almost like tipping on to go orders.
Speaker 1: I wish universally we would have a rule on this
Speaker 1: where it's either you can do it everywhere and it's fine,
Speaker 1: or you can't do it anywhere, Because when I do
Speaker 1: it at a place where you know you've got to
Speaker 1: go through a gate, I always feel very uncomfortable doing that.
Speaker 1: And I feel it at all if I'm at some
Speaker 1: municipal golf course and Phoenix right, well, I've been at
Speaker 1: this place over twenty years, basically twenty five years. And
Speaker 1: you know, somebody's got a problem with me changing my
Speaker 1: shoes in the parking lot. I really don't care. So
Speaker 1: that you know, what are they gonna do, send me
Speaker 1: a letter, kick me out. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes you have to be realistic. The
Speaker 1: cell phone thing is crazy too. I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: a dad, or you're a son, or you've got work,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's got a reason to get on their
Speaker 1: cell phone. It's basically my my traveling office. So I'm
Speaker 1: not blatant about it. But I'll sneak away, or I'll
Speaker 1: go somewhere and and and to be honest, a lot
Speaker 1: of these clubs have relaxed some of that stuff. Something
Speaker 1: someone's doing the office away. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I think everybody gets the whole cell phone thing too,
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, I'm smart about it. I look around,
Speaker 1: by the way, when I changed my shoes in the
Speaker 1: parking lot, but I changed my shoes in the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: Dan Hicks was on the podcast last month. He said
Speaker 1: that he joined paulaising Or in the video tribute they
Speaker 1: sent for your fiftieth birthday. Didn't in impersonation of you?
Speaker 1: How good was Dan at Joe Buck brutal? Uh didn't?
Speaker 1: It didn't sound like me at all. But I got
Speaker 1: to play with him. I didn't know him at all,
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, they didn't know and
Speaker 1: don't know team to dance that well. It's just we've
Speaker 1: always traveled in different circles and so for Dan, I
Speaker 1: got to I got invited on a trip to Augusta National.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was before the matter, I
Speaker 1: would say end of March mid March this past year,
Speaker 1: and he just happened to be part of the two
Speaker 1: foursome group and he and I, I mean I I
Speaker 1: didn't know him at all. I had an opinion of him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great broadcaster and everything, Olympics, golf, whatever. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know him. And I loved the guy
Speaker 1: and we we had a blast and so uh it
Speaker 1: made me smile because I've got Paulaisinger on one side,
Speaker 1: but by the way, is doing a tribute for my
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday and his powers like outside his sport coat
Speaker 1: and it's it's like he looks disheveled. And then I've
Speaker 1: got Dan doing we'll see you tomorrow night or whatever
Speaker 1: he was doing. It sounded more like my dad than
Speaker 1: it did me. But I was flattered that they did it,
Speaker 1: and uh, blown away to my wife put this whole
Speaker 1: video together, and uh so he's a great guy and
Speaker 1: has become a friend and and that's kind of the golf.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't you say you don't know somebody
Speaker 1: that well until you live with him. Let si, you
Speaker 1: play golf with him, and when you play golf with
Speaker 1: a guy like that, you laugh your way around against
Speaker 1: the national Uh, you know, you carry the relationship forward
Speaker 1: someone I'm pleased to call him a friend. I want
Speaker 1: to go back to last year for a moment, and
Speaker 1: you're a crazy stretch and you've downplayed it in a
Speaker 1: lot of interviews, but you can't downplay it. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to downplay what you did because it's insane.
Speaker 1: Fifteen games, eighteen days, six cities, all four different time zones.
Speaker 1: You had an eighteen inning, seven hour and twenty minute
Speaker 1: post season baseball game during that stretch. I know you
Speaker 1: mentioned you kind of cold towards the back end of it,
Speaker 1: but what what was First of all, what was the
Speaker 1: conversation with your boss? Is like when they said, hey,
Speaker 1: do you mind doing everything for three weeks? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just I guess as ego filled as I uh
Speaker 1: throw on everybody else. It's it's fun. And when they
Speaker 1: asked me, that's kind of how we put my contract,
Speaker 1: my year, my schedule together. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1: You know you're doing a ton more golf than me.
Speaker 1: You know that people with Fox are doing a ton
Speaker 1: more baseball than I am. I get to show up
Speaker 1: for the fun ones, the primetime games during the summer,
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, the this year, a l c
Speaker 1: U s in the World Series. Otherwise I'm not doing
Speaker 1: any other baseball. And yeah, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: football with Sunday then folding into Thursday, although we don't
Speaker 1: do every Sunday anymore. And uh, and then excuse me
Speaker 1: baseball getting in the middle of it all. But I
Speaker 1: loved it. And when they asked me to do it
Speaker 1: or would I be willing to do it? I was
Speaker 1: all in. So it wasn't bad. It was fun. And uh,
Speaker 1: about to do it again? Is it gonna be similar schedule? Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm just choking. Um okay, something just flew in
Speaker 1: my throat so it was probably sent by another broadcaster.
Speaker 1: Did you send that up? Sorry? That was yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: That's why when you told me you were at the club,
Speaker 1: that's when I knew, knew, uhwe to send it. God,
Speaker 1: yeah it will, It'll be the same, I think. You know.
Speaker 1: The weird thing was the travel days last year in
Speaker 1: the Baseball Series. I did. We're all on Thursdays or
Speaker 1: Thursdays were part of the travel of the different uh
Speaker 1: nlcs and then World Series, so I didn't miss any
Speaker 1: Thursday games. That's different this year we have the a LCS,
Speaker 1: so a game five, unless there's a four game sweep,
Speaker 1: we'll be on a Thursday. That means I'll probably miss
Speaker 1: a Thursday game. I think baseball will take front seat then. Um,
Speaker 1: but we're we're gonna work our way through that and
Speaker 1: whenever that comes about, and we'll see. I believe the
Speaker 1: football game is Kansas City at Denver, which is a
Speaker 1: really good game theoretically, but yeah, it's gonna be the same.
Speaker 1: It will be the same for the next three years
Speaker 1: after this too, unless they take me and Troy on
Speaker 1: Thursday night football. And frankly I like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think when you grow up doing baseball and doing
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, which I did for I don't know. I
Speaker 1: started in ninety one and I think I ended in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I was doing every game and
Speaker 1: you do if if the sun comes up, you're doing
Speaker 1: a game that night. And it's good training to be
Speaker 1: able to do this because you just kind of roll
Speaker 1: forward and see what you see and say what you say. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing I feel like people maybe don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to enough for people like you who do so many
Speaker 1: sports with so many different people, is the personalities you
Speaker 1: have to juggle. I mean, you go small, It's and
Speaker 1: Eigman and of course Paulaisinger, who is one of the
Speaker 1: more hilarious humans you will ever meet. I'm assuming those
Speaker 1: first week, maybe even the first day back with meetings,
Speaker 1: is it a reminder to yourself of how those people
Speaker 1: do their jobs, considering you're the same person in all
Speaker 1: those seats. Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I think
Speaker 1: that the common thread that all three have is they're
Speaker 1: all really prepared, and they all do it in a
Speaker 1: different way. Like if I were to describe John Smoltz,
Speaker 1: I would say that if his arm would allow it
Speaker 1: and his body would allow it, and I think he's
Speaker 1: about to get a hip replacement, so that's gonna cut
Speaker 1: into his golf. Uh, he could go pitch against the
Speaker 1: two teams that were covering that day. That's how he
Speaker 1: gets ready for a game. He goes over video, he
Speaker 1: looks at trends, he looks at get what guys do
Speaker 1: when their head on account how pitchers pitch when they're
Speaker 1: behind them, account two different style hitters, and what have you.
Speaker 1: He's prepared to pitch. That game is has now kind
Speaker 1: of taken the universal look with film and looking more
Speaker 1: at defenses and how a defense is trying to stop
Speaker 1: an offense. And he'll he'll get ready on his own,
Speaker 1: and John I'll get ready on his own, and Paul
Speaker 1: gets ready on his own. And so the best thing
Speaker 1: is they're all really good guys. They're all really good
Speaker 1: friends of mine, and I don't I don't really have
Speaker 1: to change much. I just have to do what I
Speaker 1: need to do to get myself ready. And I can
Speaker 1: read them pretty well, and I know where they want
Speaker 1: to go with the podcast. I can tell by a
Speaker 1: little shift in weight in their seat or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be, that they have something that they want to say.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's it's really simple. I mean, they're all
Speaker 1: they're three Hall of Fame athletes, they were all great
Speaker 1: in their sport. They can all talk their sports, and uh,
Speaker 1: I I know what they want from me, and and
Speaker 1: it's pretty much the same. I try to pick my spots.
Speaker 1: I don't try to overtalk, and I try to let
Speaker 1: them you know, flourish and and as long as I
Speaker 1: keep doing that, I think I'm I'm good with those
Speaker 1: three guys, are really anybody they they throw at me?
Speaker 1: All two more and I'll let you go play some golf.
Speaker 1: First one is, of course, at Fox, we have the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year and you guys are doing it.
Speaker 1: Just was wondering about your prep for the season with
Speaker 1: the super Bowl on the horizon. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the teams you focus a lot on with Fox. You
Speaker 1: get a lot of Dallas Cowboys, you get the Packers
Speaker 1: a lot. Do you pay a little more attention to
Speaker 1: a f C teams or what's going on on the
Speaker 1: other side kind of of the of the league? Or
Speaker 1: is it just are you always kind of paying attention
Speaker 1: to everybody anyway? Yeah, I I could lie to you
Speaker 1: and say in years to us, is up on the
Speaker 1: Texans or the Bengals or the Jets or whoever it
Speaker 1: might be, And and I really wasn't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would read what was carried nationally. I would read the
Speaker 1: main stories, and if it involves Sam Dune over the
Speaker 1: Jets or somebody with the Ravens, you know, I was
Speaker 1: aware of it all. But you tend to focus on
Speaker 1: what you're covering that week, and you go week by week.
Speaker 1: But now with Thursday Night Football, we're seeing teams that
Speaker 1: we haven't done. So we're seeing Tennessee, We're seeing Baltimore,
Speaker 1: we're seeing Cincinnati, We're seeing the Jets. We're seeing so
Speaker 1: I need to know what's gone on and that that
Speaker 1: should be a huge help that by the time and
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I mean, we basically do one Patriot game
Speaker 1: a year, but now we're doing two, sometimes three because
Speaker 1: you have Thursday Night Football in there. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you are aware of different benchmarks during the course of
Speaker 1: their season, and so when they show up the first
Speaker 1: week of February, you're not catching up on seventeen games
Speaker 1: and seventeen thousands different storylines that have had that have
Speaker 1: happened over the year. Um. And so that should be
Speaker 1: a real benefit for us. I guarantee you that whoever
Speaker 1: we see in the Super Bowl from the NFC, we're
Speaker 1: gonna cover it because we do the postseason and we
Speaker 1: know those teams anyway. But from the a f C,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you whoever is in that game then should
Speaker 1: be New England, whatever, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Uh, we will have
Speaker 1: seen them during the year, so that's not a big advantage.
Speaker 1: All right, last question, what's the favorite new golf course?
Speaker 1: And I know you played some golf in Ireland when
Speaker 1: you went over and did red Sox Yankees. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite new golf course you've played in two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: that you've never played before. Yeah, I'm glad your mind.
Speaker 1: I went to Ireland because you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to expect over there. I was blown away by
Speaker 1: how great the golf was. I always thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of shaggy and and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: windy and awful and grant and we just got lucky
Speaker 1: with a great week of weather and all that stuff exists.
Speaker 1: It exists anywhere. But when we landed, we played Old Head,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, just breathtakingly beautiful. Probably not the
Speaker 1: best golf course we played, but as far as Jews
Speaker 1: and feel, it's like, man, it just doesn't get any
Speaker 1: better than this. We have to bally Bunyan. We went to.
Speaker 1: Truly i've had Baally Bunyan was really hard. Truly. The
Speaker 1: back nine, you know, that's Arnold Pond. There's course in
Speaker 1: his famous line as the front nines designed virnyld Palm
Speaker 1: or the back nine is designed by God, and I
Speaker 1: understand why they say that. Uh. And then we went
Speaker 1: to a Dare manner which just got the Ryder Cup,
Speaker 1: and that place was I've been lucky enough to play
Speaker 1: August a few times, Augusta Nationals, and this place was
Speaker 1: like even more manicured and more like if you utter,
Speaker 1: you can put from three hunt, you can put from
Speaker 1: the tea box and and get it on the green.
Speaker 1: It's that nice, like it's it's overdone to the point
Speaker 1: where you and then it's it's boss. It's around this
Speaker 1: unbelievable castle. It's it's like, is this real? It looks
Speaker 1: like something out of a video game designed by somebody
Speaker 1: who's never played golf, because you're like, well, those courses
Speaker 1: don't exist, but it does. So I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: that Ryder Cup. I assume they'll have that castle. I'll
Speaker 1: run it out and players will be staying there, and
Speaker 1: they've got a million restaurants. That is going to be
Speaker 1: the most farm Ryder Cup, uh, that those guys will
Speaker 1: ever play. So I think I was blown away most
Speaker 1: by a Dare manner. I think I had the most
Speaker 1: fun a truly. Yeah, it's it's one of those golf courses.
Speaker 1: It's it sounds like where you had no expectations really
Speaker 1: going in, and then when you get there, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this place is the best. Okay, now I
Speaker 1: now I get it. Now I see And that's that's
Speaker 1: the best part about traveling, especially when we travel all
Speaker 1: summer long with the golf team, is you go sneak
Speaker 1: out to some golf course you've never heard of, and
Speaker 1: you're playing with Julie Inkster and she's talking about how
Speaker 1: this is one of the most fun days she's had
Speaker 1: playing golf in a couple of years, and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, these pros never get to do this. They
Speaker 1: never they never just go play random golf at places.
Speaker 1: And that's why that's what you and I get to
Speaker 1: do a lot, which is really nice. And I think
Speaker 1: we were at a Senior Open and you and I
Speaker 1: and uh, I think Ben and our crew and then
Speaker 1: a host went out and played Myopia, which I've never
Speaker 1: heard of, and then you you start looking at the
Speaker 1: history of it. It was founded before nine, it's hosted
Speaker 1: US opens, and you go, oh my god, this place
Speaker 1: is like mind blowing how cool it is and I've
Speaker 1: never heard of and then you're like, I gotta get
Speaker 1: back there. Or we got a chance to play Fishers Island,
Speaker 1: which you know, that's that's just the beauty. And and
Speaker 1: that was kind of my life when I was doing
Speaker 1: the Cardinals way, I was doing the games with Mike Shannon,
Speaker 1: That's when I fell in love with golf. I didn't
Speaker 1: grow up playing golf. But if you're on the Cardinals
Speaker 1: radio or TV team and you're in Cincinnati for three days,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do during the day. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can only sleep so much. You're in Houston, you
Speaker 1: know where are you gonna play all It's gonna River
Speaker 1: Oaks three days in a row. You're in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: let's go play Olympic. Or you're in Chicago, Let's go
Speaker 1: play me Dina and and so I Shannon could set
Speaker 1: up a like Shannon could set up a tour better
Speaker 1: than Tim Finham could and uh and so constantly I've
Speaker 1: got to play all these great places, like, man, this
Speaker 1: is the best sport going. So that's really how I
Speaker 1: fell in love with the game. And it's certainly like
Speaker 1: that time ten when we're traveling around doing the goals. Well, Joe,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Is always have a great uh NFL season, postseason,
Speaker 1: super Bowl all that I know. I'll chat with you
Speaker 1: before then, and uh, what are you gonna go play
Speaker 1: or practice? What are we gonna do right now? I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go hit balls. And and obviously after he
Speaker 1: playing eleven times in eighteen holes, I'm gonna go put
Speaker 1: I would I would put and video that and send
Speaker 1: it to Brad Facts And what am I doing wrong? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: I just invited him to an event Donicago in December.
Speaker 1: And really I don't want to hang with Brad at all,
Speaker 1: but I just want him to help me with my putt.
Speaker 1: I understand wholeheartedly. He was. He was we were playing,
Speaker 1: We were playing a couple of weeks ago, and he
Speaker 1: just got a lesson, which I find baffling that Brad
Speaker 1: facts and gets putting lessons. But he just got a lesson.
Speaker 1: And he would be standing over and going, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of trying to hook cut this putt, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: every time you say this, I'm gonna miss a five
Speaker 1: foot or why do you keep saying these things? First
Speaker 1: of all, what lunatic thinks that he or she can
Speaker 1: give Brad fact. That's what I'm saying. It's unbelievab bull
Speaker 1: I don't care facts and wants it. If facts and
Speaker 1: begs the person who's standing on that green going here, Brat,
Speaker 1: here's what you should try to do. Who's qualified to
Speaker 1: do that unless it's Ben Crenshaw or I don't know who.
Speaker 1: Who's who's a better putter in the history of the
Speaker 1: game than uh than Brat Facts and maybe Tiger in
Speaker 1: early two thousand's that's about it. Yeah, Jack, I mean Jack,
Speaker 1: when he was being clear, it's like, hey, Verlander, you
Speaker 1: this is how you actually hold it. This is a
Speaker 1: little bit easier if you have the seam on your
Speaker 1: left finger and you're going no, no, no no, no, he's
Speaker 1: got it. He's got it locked in. He's got it.
Speaker 1: By the way, i'd take a putting lesson from Verlander
Speaker 1: two he's given him. Thanks Joe, I appreciate. Have a
Speaker 1: good year, alright, buddy, anytime. Thanks. It looks like I'm
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