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Speaker 1: M h. Welcome back all the Smoke Summer League. It's

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Speaker 1: been a good day so far. He man, we all

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Speaker 1: have to a good start. I'm gonna finish it off

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Speaker 1: with another good one man. Welcome to the show. Legendary

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Speaker 1: point guard, big area legend, Jason kidd Man. Thanks, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Let's get right to it. Fresh

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Speaker 1: off the Western Conference appearance. Great run by your team.

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Speaker 1: Love the way you've pretty much ingrained defense into your guys' identity.

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Speaker 1: Now tell us about that process and then just to

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Speaker 1: run you guys made this season? Yeah, I think this

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Speaker 1: is my third time back in Dallas, so you know,

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Speaker 1: being drafted and then being able to win a championship

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Speaker 1: You know, I think as the players, we never think

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Speaker 1: and and so to be able to go back where

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Speaker 1: Dallas is known to be a team that likes to score,

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Speaker 1: Because they're gonna put the ball in the basket. And

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Speaker 1: so to win championships or to win any level, you

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Speaker 1: some way we found a way to do it. How

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Speaker 1: long did you feel like that process was, because again,

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Speaker 1: thought around Christmas. I've always believed this. You know, as

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Speaker 1: a player, you find out who you are by Christmas.

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Speaker 1: As much as you want to come out of the

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Speaker 1: and it started with our our best player. Luca asked

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Speaker 1: And so when your best player does it, it's easy

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Speaker 1: to talk to everybody else about doing it. Talk to

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about Luca. We're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: him with a little bit later. But since you mentioned them,

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Speaker 1: And so when you look at his abilities to control

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Speaker 1: But sometimes you know he's a believer that he can

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Speaker 1: I've been in his shoes, but at twenty three, he's

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Speaker 1: But again, he loves to play the game. He loves

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Speaker 1: over a great year. Thank you, you're already ready for

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Speaker 1: next year? Where's your head at now? Like, what what

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Speaker 1: are you thinking right after this great year? Yeah? You know, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know in this league that season is over nothing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because um, there's only one winner. Everybody comes in last.

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Speaker 1: it makes our team fifteen and seventeen percent stronger, right,

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Speaker 1: So take the wins and losses out of it. Um,

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Speaker 1: But also he's helping teach us about relationships and as

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Speaker 1: Was that your best experience, accl oh Man, Now, you know,

428
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: I think, Um, it was one of my best experience

429
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: of accow basketball wise, was being able to get to

430
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: the tournament, um, and to you know b L s

431
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: U and then have the opportunity to play to defending

432
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: champs UH and Grant and Bobby Hurley and find a

433
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: way to win that game. Um. Everybody talks about the win,

434
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: but no one really talks about what Hurley did to us.

435
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: He was cooking us the high picking row. We had

436
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: no answers. It's just we we got lucky to ball

437
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: bounce our way. But it was an incredible experience because

438
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: when you watch the March Madness, it's it's incredible. It's

439
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: one of the funnest times of the year. But I

440
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: would say on campus one of my best experiences is

441
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: you know, cal protests everything, and so there was a

442
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: naked guy who would walk around campus with just the

443
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: thing on front and his book back and go to

444
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: class and uh and he was freedom of speech. But

445
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: this was as a freedom of cheeks. Yeah, no more.

446
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: But as a young student athlete, it was just eye

447
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: opening of like what was happening on campus and uh,

448
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: and so to put things in perspective, that was just

449
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: a normal thing on campus at Cal because there was

450
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: always someone protesting something. Two things you made a lot

451
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of us fall in love with number five.

452
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: First of all, did you ever heard the term people

453
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: just call you light skaning magic? No, I'm not li

454
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: was liking magic. That's what they called you. That's pretty cool,

455
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: that's new. I haven't heard that, but now that was

456
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: my favorite player growing up. That's the one that I

457
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: tried to copy, uh and emulate my game as a kid,

458
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: you know in Oakland, Um trying to throw the passes

459
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: he would throw. I couldn't do the sky hook. I

460
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: wasn't very good at the sky hook, but the baby

461
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Scott hook. But I just loved it the way that

462
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: he played the game and at the end he always

463
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: found a way to win. And so that's what really

464
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: draw drew me to be trying to be magic and

465
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: so to be life scaming magic. That's kind of cool.

466
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: How close were you coming after we played in the finals,

467
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: I was in Yeah, Pop, three great questions. So um,

468
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I meet with Tim and Pop and I'm in UM.

469
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that was a hold up was I

470
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: was like it was a small thing. Is like, man,

471
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: I got sit here and watch you guys get the

472
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: rings after just but that's just one game, and like

473
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: we'll get past it and we'll have opportunities to win more.

474
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: But then, um, the loyalty of like, man, we build

475
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: something in Jersey and I think we can get there. Um.

476
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: But not knowing the business side of what was coming

477
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: down that they started, they traded Kmark that following year

478
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: and so things fell apart fast. But um, to be

479
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: a spur, I was very very close because the reason

480
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: why I know, because Tony would have been going and

481
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I would have stayed. No, that's that's that's that's how

482
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: it was all working, you know, because the whole summer,

483
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: the everything, everybody was on the list to get J Kid.

484
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: That was that was they were talking about that point.

485
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: Even the finals even stopped, but even one of the

486
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: finders they were talking about it. So in the summer,

487
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: that's all my agent was telling me, if if J

488
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: Kid come, you're gonna you're gonna stay in San Antonio,

489
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: not you gotta go to the limb because they're gonna

490
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: keep talking. I wish you would have told me that exactly,

491
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: draft number two pick. Overall the experience, let the draft

492
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, the draft is again surreal because

493
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: as a as a kid growing up, that's all you're

494
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: dreaming about. You watch it on TV, and so when

495
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: it's your opportunity to go to the draft room and

496
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: just to wait to hear your name, UM, it's kind

497
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: of like a movie in fast forward and then also

498
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: in rewind because you're thinking about what you're gonna do

499
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: in the n B a um, and then you go

500
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: with a rewind because you think about all the all

501
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: the things you did to get to that point. Um.

502
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: And then let's see your mom and dad. You know,

503
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: excited for you, but you're more excited for them because

504
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: it's also a thank you to them all the hard

505
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: work and sec did you ever have within your first

506
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: year an all moment like damn, I'm playing so and so.

507
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: I know you got thrown in the fire with GP early,

508
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: but outside of that, oh j um, everybody. Yeah, I

509
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: mean when you talk about the greatest uh, you talk

510
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: about m and and seeing and having to guard him

511
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: on a possession or two. I'll never forget in Dallas,

512
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm guarding him on the right box. Um, I don't

513
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: know what he was gonna do. I just hoping that

514
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: he won. He didn't dunk it into He just did

515
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: it real fast so we can get onto over with it.

516
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: So he spends baseline. I think he's gonna go to

517
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: the fade, and he goes grow more dribble and he

518
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of jumps. I'm going, oh, no, he's gonna dunk this,

519
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: and he kind of did a reverse and flipped it

520
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: on the glass. Okay, that's cool, you didn't dunk it

521
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: two points. And then he starts running down the sideline

522
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: and he looked back at Wink and I go, oh,

523
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: this is an asshole. Oh but but I was like,

524
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: that's cool, you didn't dunk it. And then, you know,

525
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: I think when he likes you, and maybe this isn't true,

526
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: but I think when he likes you, he'll take it easy.

527
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: He couldn't get his average. But if he does not

528
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: like you, it's it's a fifty piece. He ever give

529
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: any of your teammates a fifty piece? Um, you know what,

530
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: we I think he gave us the average. We were

531
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: all happy in the locker room. Man, you didn't have

532
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: fifty five. Your name is attached to one of the

533
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: greatest basketball shoots of all time, that air Zoom Flight

534
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: nineties five. What's the back story to that? With the

535
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: ones he got on now? Oh no, they you know

536
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's a great shoe. Um. You know

537
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: it's funny. We got some sent to us the other

538
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: day and I kind of laugh because I'm like, man,

539
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: today's shoe was so like this shoe was a little happy,

540
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: and I was like at the time, they're like, oh no,

541
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: this is like like so technology has grown. But um,

542
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the wheels were like a car because everybody talked about

543
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: the speed. Um. And so I thought when they showed

544
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: me this show, I was like, oh, this is different

545
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: and it looks cool because we got looks like it

546
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: has four wheels and we're ready to roll and um.

547
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: And so they commenced me it was light. I thought

548
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: it was great and and to see it today, it's

549
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: still talked about, which lets you know that uh, who

550
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: designed it was doing the right draft right And you

551
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: get a taste of the playoffs in Phoenix and from

552
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: ninety six to two thousand one, I got a chance

553
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: to play with Steve Nash. But what they don't know

554
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: is I got drafted when y'all were there in ninety seven. Yeah,

555
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: I think that was a year that sounds that traded

556
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: for mcdyson, McLeod and Rex, and I think Rex was

557
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: there already, but they had one pick left in the draft,

558
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: the second to last pick in the draft. And I

559
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: got a chance to come work out what y'all play

560
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: pick up and I got drafted, but they told me

561
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: it was gonna cut me, so I didn't get a

562
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: chance to be on that team. But I got a

563
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: chance to spend like a couple of days with him.

564
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: One of the great experience. But I knew that team

565
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: was gonna be good. But talk about the playoffs of

566
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: that team, Well, you you talk about the uh, the

567
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: young and the and the older when you talk about

568
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Rex and Danny and those guys. But mcdice was young.

569
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: Um boy was he uh spend a lot for sure?

570
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: When you talk about the MCDI we talked about Sean

571
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Kemp and these guys who would just turn and go

572
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and you could throw it anywhere. Dice is one of

573
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: those guys and so um. But it's funny like you

574
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: bring up Nash. You know, Nash was coming off the bench.

575
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I was coming off the bench. We had Kevin Johnson

576
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: you know there, and so um we were both watching

577
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Kevin do his thing, and then we would go in

578
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes would be Kevin Nash and myself out there,

579
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, small ball at Hiss at his best. But

580
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: it was it was real because you had great Kevin Johnson. Again,

581
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't think gets enough credit being a great point

582
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: guard in our in our league, but you had a

583
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: future you know, hall of uh, hall of Famer, and

584
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Steve and m v P sitting there as the third

585
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: string point are which it's a great story about work

586
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: and belief in and the opportunity in the right system

587
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: which you can make of it, and just kind of

588
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, waiting your turn and not being uh and

589
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: being patient about the whole situation and so uh. It

590
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: was a great team. I learned how to win because

591
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I think when you come in the league, you think

592
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: you play for forty minutes and you could be up fifteen,

593
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden the game gets real serious.

594
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: Six minutes left, you're fifteen, all of a sudden you're

595
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: down ten, and you go like what happened? Well, the

596
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: mature team, the team that knows what it means to

597
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: take care of the ball and then what it means

598
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: to play defense, and that's why you see so many swings.

599
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: But that's where I learned how to win the game.

600
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: And the last six minutes is where the game really starts.

601
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that being drafted, and I found

602
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: out in Dallas of what it means to or how

603
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: to win the NBA game. Now that I think about that,

604
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: I see why I looked so good that day when

605
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: I tried it out and all I had to do

606
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: was run a jump. I thought it was him. It

607
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: was him. How did the bleach blonde hair come to fact?

608
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: It might be why he's bad. Now that's a good point. Uh, well,

609
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you're bored and hurt. I broke

610
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: my ankle during that season. Um, and so we had

611
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: three screws put in and I'm bored. So I'm sitting there,

612
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: sitting there and going, man, shoot and someone said, hey,

613
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: have you ever you know, died your hair? And I

614
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: go no, like, and I said, let's do it, because um,

615
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's ye Phoenix, I'm in Phoenix. I

616
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: would want to say, yeah, So I break my ankle,

617
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: and so I'm out for the season. So I'm like,

618
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna see anybody. I'm rehabbing, and then, um,

619
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I died my hair. I go

620
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: to my rehab. Somehow word got around that I had

621
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: died my hairs. So my teammates come over to what

622
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm rehabbing. They go, we just had to come see

623
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: your hair, And I said, well, I appreciate you didn't

624
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: even ask how I'm doing, but okay. Oh well, so

625
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: they check out my hair. They're killing me, and I'm like, oh,

626
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: this was a bad idea. Well, it gets worse because

627
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: now I'm starting to feel better. I'm like, I think

628
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I can play in the playoffs. So we play the Lakers.

629
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Um and I and I had my hair still die.

630
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: They asked me, was I gonna cut it off? I go, man,

631
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: I've gone this far, might as well keep going. So

632
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I played in the playoffs with my hair died. Different experience,

633
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: so I said, I can say I checked that box off,

634
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: and and I can let anybody know, like you said,

635
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: it ends into be involved two thousand til you traded

636
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: for stuff on my bury in New Jersey. I was

637
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: just on that team the year before, I mean right

638
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: before that you got traded there. What was that like

639
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: going there with all them athletes you had there and

640
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: all the weapons you had going into that. Yeah, that

641
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: team was special. When you talk about they were rookies.

642
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: We had you know, Jason Collins, We had a pack

643
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: pack r J. Yeah. R J s did not they

644
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: did not get along. So Kmart was playing at a

645
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: high level for us. It was easy to play with him.

646
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Throw it up, he was going to get it. It

647
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: was Carrie Kittles was coming back from injury, Keith van Horn. Yeah,

648
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: so we had scores. Ronny Rodgers comes over. We get

649
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: that in a trade, and so it was it was

650
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: a fun team that r J was gonna run. As

651
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: he'll tell you. He wasn't a shooter. Then Harris was

652
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: the shooter. It's funny that I played with Lucia's as

653
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: a rookie in Dallas, so for us to be back

654
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: together and in Jersey, so we understood what it was

655
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: all about. But it was a team that actually came

656
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: together in preseason when we believe that we could win.

657
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: And uh, from that point on, we just we just

658
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: took off. It was easy just run, You're gonna get

659
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: the ball. So r J ran, he ran, and then

660
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Kmart was coming as a trailer cleaned it up. That's right.

661
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: So for me as the quarterback, I just had to

662
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: make sure I kept everybody happy immediate. I mean, y'all

663
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: two thousand two, y'all run through the East two years

664
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: in a row and come up short. Yeah, what's what's

665
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: what's going on through your mind after y'all go back

666
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: to back running through the East but can't get past

667
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: the West. Well, the West was the first time we

668
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: had to go against the Lakers, so I don't think

669
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: anybody was gonna beat them. That was different. Was it

670
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: thirty six and twelve in the finals? Yeah? He uh

671
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: those numbers. Oh man, the whole team was going shocked.

672
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: There was nothing. Remember, I felt so bad for him Williams. Yeah,

673
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: he was too smart. He tried. Um. But when you

674
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: look at our team those two years we ran and

675
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: then um, we think we're gonna have the opportunity to

676
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: do it again. And unfortunately, with the business to basketball

677
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: jumps in, there were trades and so but it was

678
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: a fun time. Those two teams. Um again, um, we

679
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: were more built to play West Coast basketball than East Coast,

680
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and maybe that was the reason why we had success

681
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on the East coast. You got any uh Kobe stores

682
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: from those battles on any great Kobe stores. Well, the

683
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: one story going back to that blonde hair. Um, We're

684
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: playing in the playoffs and I know which way Kobe

685
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: wants to go, um, and he gets to go where

686
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: he went, and he jumps and I jumped. Unfortunately his

687
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: jump is a little higher and longer. I jumped like

688
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: my elevator can only go so high. And then it

689
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: says return. So uh, he hit a game winner um

690
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: over me in the playoffs. But when you talk about

691
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Kobe and his competitiveness, it didn't matter how big or

692
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: how small you were, he was gonna he was gonna

693
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: try to destroy you. Um. And that's what separated him

694
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: from everyone. He was an assassin. Um. He would cut

695
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: you and by the end of the game, you didn't

696
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: know that you were gonna bleed out and so and

697
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: so that's just his mentality. And uh, he wanted to

698
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: win and everything. Yeah, oh eight, this is oh eight.

699
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: We're in Macau and golf has now become a little popular.

700
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: We have some golfers on the team d will And

701
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: and Michael Red. So we go to a driving range

702
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: and Kobe is feeling like, hey, this is easy, I

703
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: can pick hi. Yeah. Yeah. He came out to one

704
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: of like, oh you're human. Yeah, so he asked. He

705
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: goes hey, and Michael read luckily was left handed, and

706
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: so he goes, hey, can I borrowed that club? And

707
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: everybody goes, you swing left handed, and so everybody was like, oh,

708
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: he's all messed up. So he goes to swing and

709
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: everybody's like, maybe that was a practice swing and he

710
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: missed the ball. And then like you know, he gets

711
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: competitive and he wants to hit at the farthest and

712
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: as you said, I think that's the one sport that

713
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: we saw him as a human humanized. Not to compare

714
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: the two, but you got a perfect chance to play

715
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: with both of them when they were great. Did you

716
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: see that same fire and wanting to kill people the

717
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: MJ had is at the same kind of How were

718
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: their approaches similar or different? I think they were very similar.

719
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I think uh even the league as players, um, because

720
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: Kobe that was the guy that he watched, you know,

721
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: he would walk chew gum uh, then dressed socks that

722
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: were at the same height. Um. And you know a

723
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of times you're labeled as the next Michael, Well

724
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: he was. He was really the next Michael Um. You know.

725
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: And nothing against Harold Mine or anybody else like that,

726
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: but they got the label of from the dunk contest

727
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: or they were gonna be the next Michael A lot

728
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of times. That was the curse, um and and so.

729
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: But when you talk about Kobe and the closest thing

730
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: to to Michael is Kobe two thousand three finals, Stack

731
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: the spurs? Are you brought it? You had to face

732
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: the camera. That's tough. This is that was playing down. Yeah,

733
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to dream out. He was frying us.

734
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: It was frying us. So you were supposed to be

735
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: in San Antonio after that we wanted when y'all talk

736
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: about I wasn't there. I was I don't know what

737
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: like this. Tony was done before the series because it

738
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: was already talked about, you know what I mean. But

739
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: you was frying using us. I was trying, um. But

740
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: it's fine. Jack Speedy Clackson, he saved it because he

741
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: don't want to keep up with him. He was doing

742
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Tony so bad. Bro and Tony had a bad year

743
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: because he had stiff he he got. But the finals

744
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: we needed Speedy because we we went down bad without

745
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: doing nothing down bad. No, but no one really talks

746
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: about Speedy was big for you guys. Speed did an

747
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: incredible job. But yeah, that ring, that was a nice ring. Um,

748
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, was get back that. I get it what

749
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: you want. Um. But when you talk about the Spurs,

750
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: we we gave six. We had it going in our direction.

751
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: We were winning and it was I think we're up

752
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: thirteen or fifteen and the fourth and all we can

753
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: think about is we just gotta get it to seven

754
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: because if we get it to seven, there could be suffocation.

755
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: It could be like the pressures on them. You know,

756
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: they're at home. They were supposed to win this series

757
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and so um. But as everyone knows, we didn't get

758
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: to seven. They wanted six and uh had Yeah, he

759
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: was he was He was Shane. I don't know if

760
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: he's human either, um, because Tim was just you know,

761
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: he was automatic. You can you can pin him in

762
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: for for whatever, thirty fifteen, twenty and six blocks like

763
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: like that'nceling in that. That's what he did. But for

764
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: the players on the court, JA I ain't gonna lie

765
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: for us. We were watching you and your powers, watching

766
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Tim and just and everybody was thinking, like just imagine

767
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: them to, Like it was unbelievable just to watch yesterday.

768
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Have nightmares about that that that you know, that was

769
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: this hard decision. But I thought loyal To was the

770
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: one to go. Stayed, stay in Jersey. Um, but um,

771
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: I was loyal. It happens something, you know, obviously, Hall

772
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: of Fame career, multiple time, ten time All Star, World champion.

773
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: You weren't a great shooter to start your career, but

774
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: then you closed on and when did that lock in?

775
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: And and and you know you finished the number twelve

776
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: all time on the three point may list. Yeah, you

777
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: know I think, Um, when you talk about different parts

778
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: of the game, UM, I knew if I was ever

779
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: around scores that that that's perfect for me because my

780
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: job is to let them eat. So if to set

781
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: the table, if stack you know Matt like, hey, my

782
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: job is to figure out what you guys, where you

783
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: like to score, right, you like to run, you like

784
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: spot up shots, Then my job is the table setter,

785
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: is to put you in those positions to be successful.

786
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: So when you talk about Carrie running throw it to

787
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: him on the dead run. R J throw it to

788
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: him on the dead run. UM being able to you know,

789
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: understand Rex catch and shoot right. And so that that

790
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: was I didn't have to worry about shooting because everyone

791
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: else on the floor wanted to shoot and so to

792
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: to know that. And then as the game slows down

793
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: and as you get older, you gotta work on some

794
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: parts if you want to stay around long enough. And

795
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: so the corner three was something that I had to

796
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: work on if I wanted to play longer. UM. And

797
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: so I spent more time UM on that part of

798
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: my game to to make sure that I could stick around.

799
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: And what year was that that you started trying to

800
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: I want to say, oh oh oh, six oh seven,

801
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: So maybe about ten eleven years in your care Yeah,

802
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: I was. I was getting old. And uh and also

803
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: I think you know when you talk about shooting, because

804
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: I was always labeled as a nonshooter. Even til the

805
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: day I retired, I was a non shooter. And uh,

806
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, being with Dirk in Dallas, I said, look,

807
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna be double my guys coming to help. I

808
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: will always be open. So if you can find me,

809
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I will be open. And guess what, I will throw

810
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: it back to you. But but it's you know, I

811
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: think you always have to pick apart every summer. As

812
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: I talked about if you can get one percent better,

813
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: and I think working on shooting just didn't happen overnight.

814
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: You have to work on it on a continuous space asists. Uh,

815
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: when people aren't watching. You know, everybody wants to be

816
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: recognized for working hard. Um, it's when you don't when

817
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: people aren't watching you. When you're in the gym by yourself,

818
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: when you're shooting the ball, you don't have a rebounder

819
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: and you gotta go get it. You know, that's how

820
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: we grew up. Yeah, well, unless you've got ten basketballs

821
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: right there on the side, which we didn't have. So

822
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, you look at shooting by yourself, you gotta

823
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: go get your rebound right. And today's staff we got

824
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: yea and two passers for each player, So now the

825
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: player always has to worry about his shooting. So how

826
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: do you imagine you know your misses right? How do

827
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: you work on your misses better misses? Right? Um? A

828
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: lot of times everyone looks at if you make it,

829
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: that's great, But I look at it the other way.

830
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: How bad did you miss? Can we give you a

831
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: point for hitting the back rim? Are you long? We'll

832
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: take a point off if you're short, right, And because

833
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: if it's short, never going in so that that That's

834
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: just something that I always thought about as a pro.

835
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: I had to work on my game. Um, as much

836
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: as people said that I was good at other parts.

837
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Two thousand eleven loaded and to me, one of the

838
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: most legendary runs. Considering the teams you guys knocked off

839
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: on the way. Just to name a few guys, Marry

840
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: and Page story A compitts, Tyson Chander, Jason Terry. Remember

841
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Jason Terry hit ten three You guys swept us in

842
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: the first round with the Lakers. J T hit ten

843
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: threes in Game four in Dallas. You guys are crazy.

844
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: You guys end up beating Miami's Big three in the finals.

845
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: How special was that team? I was a great team. UM.

846
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: I think keyword team. UM. We all accepted Dirk was

847
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: our our best player. Jason Terry was our next best player. UM.

848
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: When you talk about Tyson and myself, we talked about defense.

849
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: How can we help Dirk? How can we protect the

850
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: guys that they were going to go after UM, and

851
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: then it was just about making the right play, you know,

852
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: not not worry about yourself who if you're if not open,

853
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: get off of it. And so UM, it was a

854
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: great team. We were close. We would go to dinners

855
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: all the time on the road, UM, and we cared

856
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: about one another. And I thought, UM, through tough times.

857
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: You know that Miami series wasn't easy because we had

858
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Game one, it got away from us and

859
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: then we're down fifteen I think in game two, and

860
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: there was a little shadow boxing in front of our

861
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: bench that kind of piste us off and so UM

862
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: from that point on, UM, we kind of were like, okay,

863
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: they show bolt and so we we gotta we gotta

864
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: make a thing. Turn it on. You just mentioned team

865
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Uh you that team alone held Lebron James the seventeen

866
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: points a game in the finals. How did you guys

867
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: collectively slow him down? That's a question he's gonna have

868
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: to answer. Uh. You know, I think, you know, for

869
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: the game plan was just to give different looks um,

870
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: and then throw different bodies, you know, and again someone

871
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: who's not on that list, and we talk about d

872
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: Steve Sean Stevens. Yeah, you know, he was here and

873
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: so that that was you know, we had a lot

874
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: of role players, including myself as a role player UM

875
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: J J. Berrera. Guys weren't scared to take a charge

876
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: or or be in the way or try to, you know,

877
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: do something, and I think that's what helped us. But

878
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: we just try to make a tough on on Lebron.

879
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna score, he's gonna get his attempts, but you

880
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: just can't give him freebes because if you give him

881
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: free bees, that's where he can hurt join. Uh. Dirt

882
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: was incredible during this run. Twenty points of games shot

883
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: over from the three point line one. How special was

884
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: he during that run? But just to looking back on it,

885
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: you got a chance to play with prime Dirk and

886
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: you're coaching Luca who's still hasn't hit his prime, which

887
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: is scary. Uh. Arguably two of the greatest European players

888
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: ever do. But how special was Dirt? Ye Dirk was

889
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: a warrior man and I think, um, and he's also funny.

890
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: I know this is he he would wrap in German. Um.

891
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was saying, but he would

892
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: say that he was rapping Um. But he had a

893
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: great personality off the court. I think everyone got to

894
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: see him on the court. Um, and just you know,

895
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: the fade away, the one dribble, hard dribble right bank. Um.

896
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: But he worked on all that. He was a worker.

897
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: He worked extremely hard on all the stuff that you

898
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: saw in the game. UM. And so when you compare

899
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: to two, Uh, Dirk will tell you that Lucas better

900
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: than he is at the age of twenty three. You know,

901
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Dirk's very honest. He was like, I don't know if

902
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: I was going to make it in the league when

903
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: I was young. Um. But when you look at what

904
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Lucas doing at twenty three is unbelievable. But Dirk changed

905
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: the game. When you talk about being able to give

906
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: space a big putting it on the floor, uh, one

907
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: or two dribbles either way. And then again his shooting

908
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: ability was off the charts. That unbelievable. Um. When you

909
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: talk about a young man who would you know, do

910
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: anything you asked him to do. He wanted to be great,

911
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm excited to see where he is today.

912
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: But he again is just starting to climb the mountain.

913
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: He hasn't reached his full potential. Either yes, it is

914
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: as a coach, but his work ethic is like no other.

915
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: He works extremely hard Um during the season and off

916
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: the season, and so uh to be able to be

917
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: around honest when he he's still young but younger Um

918
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: again his growth giving him the ball, Um, you know

919
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: when I was there to help expand his game with

920
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: something that we all thought would help us as a team,

921
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: but help him and he ran with it. But you

922
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: know what's what's funny about um, the two players you've

923
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: talked about, right, Luca and Honest. Um. For my young

924
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: coaching career, I've had the opportunity to coach KG, Paul Pierce,

925
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: uh Janice and now Luca uh And at the All

926
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Star Game in Cleveland for the seventy five UM, I

927
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: got to have all three of well all of them

928
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of standing by me. And Johannest tells us he

929
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: brings up the story to Luca, like, hey, his coach

930
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: making you run and I go, look, I go, Rannest,

931
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: don't bring don't start talking about the things that I

932
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: made you do and so and then and then Ticket,

933
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Ticket goes oh Man, coach used to

934
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: make us run so much. Training camp where Duke, He's

935
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: making us dude, uh sprints and I'm like, okay, time ago,

936
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: we gotta let's let's en this mean because Luca doesn't

937
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: need to hear all the things that I made you guys,

938
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: do Lucas not doing those things? No, um, real quick

939
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: before we get to these quick hitters. Obviously, you know,

940
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Luca just want a championship back in his country. But

941
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: he looked like chills chiseled and is the league ready

942
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: for an n shape Luca? I hope, So, I hope,

943
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: so he's coming, He's coming. I think, uh, what we

944
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: all saw, um, Luca's um taking you know, his body serious.

945
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: And I think during the season, I think Reggie if

946
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: someone made the comment that he thought he was too heavy,

947
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: and what I love about Luca, uh, he never runs

948
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: from opinions. And so when Reggie said that, uh, he

949
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: worked on his body challenge and then he took off um.

950
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: And so I think it just shows character that, um,

951
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: he's never wanted to blame anybody. If if this is

952
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: someone's opinion that's gonna help him get better. I thought

953
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: he absorbed it and then uh he used it in

954
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: a positive What's rare for young players yes, Um, in

955
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: your opinion, top five point guards of all time? Oh man, Okay,

956
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: so we got like there's some guys who are label

957
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: point guards, but they're not point guards. It's staff a

958
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: point guard. Yes, oh okay, Okay, Oscar Robinson point guard, yes,

959
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Oscar definite point guard. Okay, all right, all right, So

960
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Oscar. I'm gonna go with steph. Um,

961
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm GPS on there because its GPS. Not on that

962
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: man call. He's gonna show up a knock on my door,

963
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: g P, he's right down the street. Uh, let's look

964
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: at John Stockton and then Magic Johnson. Hello. Five list

965
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 1: five dinner guests, dead or alive? Well, I think one

966
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: you mean starting? You mean if we were having dinner tonight,

967
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: dead or alive, your dinner table plus five people. Okay.

968
00:53:51,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna start with my dad. Um, and let's see, Uh,

969
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Obama would have to be there. I would go with

970
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior would be I would have to

971
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: have him there, and then um Bill Russell and then um,

972
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: I want a young I need a younger player athlete. Uh.

973
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, maybe Colin Kaepernick would be there because in

974
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: conversation when you talk about what Bill Russell stands for,

975
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: uh not just you know we we sometimes we're just

976
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: labeled athletes. But like when you look at that group, Um,

977
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: they did more probably off the court than they did

978
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: on the court. So that's saying a lot. Yeah, so

979
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: we can learn from that and I would love to

980
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: hear their stories. One album you can listen to with

981
00:54:52,960 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: no skips, oh the Chronic Good call, damn, A good call.

982
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Piece of advice you would give younger j kid, don't

983
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: know your blond that keep your hair? Yeah, um, I

984
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: would say listen, mm hmm, you gotta listen, don't don't

985
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: don't talk until the person is finished talking. But make

986
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: sure that you're listening to what's being told because sometimes

987
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: when you're young, you think you know it all, and

988
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: when you're getting advice, you might you might miss something

989
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: that could have helped you avoid a situation. Do you

990
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: feel like ever looking back, Um, I was someone who

991
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: football is my first sport. Do you ever look back

992
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: and thought, I mean, with all the respect to baseball,

993
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: that you really had a real shot if you would

994
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: have stuck with it to play professional baseball? Yeah, for sure,

995
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: I would have to say yes, I would have. I

996
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: truly believe that I had a talent to be able

997
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: to play baseball. How far I would have gotten I

998
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: don't know, but I would have done everything possible that

999
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I did in basketball to do there. Um, the first

1000
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: thing you do when you wake up in the morning,

1001
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: last thing you do when you go to bed before

1002
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: you go to guarantee you his answering gonna be the

1003
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: same stackhouse. First thing I would do when I wake up. Uh,

1004
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Um, I kind of do an

1005
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: exam of my body? What part is hurting today? What

1006
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: you stand out? Once I wake up and I go

1007
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: is this gonna be a good day? And then I

1008
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: go body exam? Is it my dis my lower back hurting?

1009
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: Is it my knee? Is it my neck? Them? So

1010
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: once it kind of goes through like oh we're all

1011
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: right there, We're all right there. Then it's like okay,

1012
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: then slide to the bathroom because if you play long enough,

1013
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: you don't walk now the bathroom, just slide. So sometimes

1014
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: you hold the ball and all that I know today.

1015
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: Uh so so to say when I wake up, it's

1016
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: a it's a body check before you go to bed. Uh,

1017
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: go to bed? Um, you try to just reflect on

1018
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: what you did today, Um, and then you kind of

1019
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: think about what you're gonna do tomorrow. Before we go

1020
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: to last question, I want to bring your son and

1021
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: come in lover man, watch out the light so you

1022
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: know not to light over. I don't know if he's

1023
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: an athlete, clear clear as being obviously, Uh Dad, head

1024
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: coach of an NBA team. How do you balance? I'm

1025
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: talking I want to talk to you first, pop. Check

1026
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: out his hat though, that's just clean, that's that's a

1027
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: that's a coach of sign. How do you how do

1028
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: you balance father? And kind of obviously you know he's

1029
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: he's he's the hooper now, so how do you balance

1030
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: not give him too much, given enough? Where is that

1031
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: balance that as the father? That's a great question, Matt Um.

1032
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: We just had this conversation too with another friend of mine. Um,

1033
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: when you talk about the balance, because I I want

1034
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: to be Dad, Um. I don't want to be coach Um,

1035
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: but also I want because he might hear a lot

1036
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: of positivity of oh you're so good, you're so good,

1037
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: and I kind of come from the other side to

1038
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: balance it out, to balance it out. And so you

1039
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: haven't done anything you know, um, and he'll tell you

1040
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: that I say that he was trash. But but the

1041
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: beauty is um that the most important thing is that

1042
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: he knows that I love him and I'm gonna do

1043
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: everything possible to help him achieve his goals. But he

1044
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: knows that I will talk trash to your dad's tough

1045
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: on you sometimes, like after a game, if I play bad,

1046
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long car at home. Do you

1047
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 1: ever have to tell him like that? That's enough? Who'll

1048
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: keep talking? Don't matter what you say? What about balls

1049
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: down to your dad's j kid? Though? What about? But

1050
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: what about when you play good? Is it a good

1051
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: conversation the home? Right home? Depends? If I played too good,

1052
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: then trash talking. But but you know, but you know

1053
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: it comes from a loving place though, right to get

1054
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: you better? Just make me better? How old are you?

1055
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: You're going into seventh grade? What's your what's your goals?

1056
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: And basketball? Get better? Try to make it somewhere there

1057
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: you go. That's what I'm talking about, all right? Last question,

1058
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jack, if you can see one guest and

1059
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Speaker 1: all the smoke, who would it be? But before you answer,

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Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show.

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Speaker 1: It could be someone you coach, could be someone you coach,

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Speaker 1: could be someone you coach, just calling him up, coach

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Speaker 1: him up, breaking all kind of records. Early, he says

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Speaker 1: he's differ friend. Oh that's easy man, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: seventy seven. Yeah, we need seventy seven. Okay, we need

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Speaker 1: seventy seven. Off, he's chill. He seems like it seems cool.

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Speaker 1: He saw him on JJ's podcast. No, he you know what,

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Speaker 1: you get to see a different side, that's what we

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Speaker 1: want to say. Yeah, I think he would fit perfectly

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Speaker 1: in this seat. Love it alright, So that seas I

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Speaker 1: know my homework, simple, got it. I took up for

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Speaker 1: him one time on on on on one of the

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Speaker 1: shows on Fox, and he had somebody to reach out

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Speaker 1: to him and say appreciate it. So it's only right then,

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Speaker 1: so he this night on me. But so this is

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Speaker 1: it's easierself. YEA, got it, got it, got his back,

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Speaker 1: We got his back, and I can pass the ball.

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Speaker 1: So I'm a paste the greatest, So I'll get it.

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Speaker 1: I'll get the ball back to you guys man, J.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Man, graduation, all the success, best to

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Speaker 1: luck next see us in Uh make the team not

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Speaker 1: serving him. We're serving him. That was giving me the

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Speaker 1: ball every time. I don't like me saying that, they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we got footage. Man. We appreciate you. Best to luck,

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Speaker 1: continue to move forward. Best to luck to you a

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Speaker 1: little man. You can catch this episode Jason kidd On

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Speaker 1: All the Smoke, Showtime Basketball YouTube, and the I Heart

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Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. We'll see y'all next week