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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: This week's Whine About It Thursday Therapy. We've got doctor

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Speaker 1: Gladys McGary. So she's one hundred and two years old

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Speaker 1: and she has a book out called The Well Lived Life,

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Speaker 1: A one hundred two year old Doctor's Six Secrets to

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Speaker 1: Health and Happiness at Every Age. It's available now, Let's

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Speaker 1: get her on.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hi, you can hear me, I can hear you, and

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Speaker 1: I can see how beautiful you are.

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Speaker 2: Oh Hi, nice, you're pretty too.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I'm feeling, you know, like a million

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Speaker 1: bucks today. I'm pregnant and I'm just like everything kind

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Speaker 1: of hurts today, but I feel like I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to talk to you, though, because I

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Speaker 1: just when I was reading The Rundown, it says it

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Speaker 1: says her book The Well Lived Life one hundred and

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Speaker 1: two year old Doctor Six Secrets to Health and Happiness

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Speaker 1: at Every Age. It's available now, and I was just was,

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Speaker 1: you know, reading the Rundown everything that you've done, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just it's just I think it's just so beautiful

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Speaker 1: and the fact that you are still you know, you're

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Speaker 1: you're writing books and just still living such a full

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Speaker 1: life is such a beautiful thing. And I'm curious do

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Speaker 1: you ever get how do I say this when people

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Speaker 1: are like, oh, you look amazing, because it's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're one hundred and you're one hundred and two. No

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Speaker 1: do you get like, of course, I look, I've taken

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Speaker 1: great care of myself or do you kind of get

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Speaker 1: like why are you at? Like you know, because people

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Speaker 1: always like you're forty years old and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: am I supposed to look older than forty?

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Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So it's like it makes you feel old when people

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Speaker 1: A'm like, oh my god, you're forty and I'm like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're like I thought you were you know, late or thirties,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I'm almost forty. But okay, but

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Speaker 1: do you how is that for you? Are you like,

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Speaker 1: do you like that when people say that?

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, people say it all the time. It didn't

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Speaker 3: make much sense to me. You look like what you

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Speaker 3: look like? You know, what are you going to do

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Speaker 3: about it? And you can get a facelift, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: Any temporary right well.

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Speaker 3: It just it doesn't say anything about who you are.

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Speaker 3: I have a friend who is a speaker. She speaks

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Speaker 3: all around every place. And she told me one time

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Speaker 3: that she was in a a doing a talk in Hollywood,

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Speaker 3: and when she had people ask questions, she didn't know

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Speaker 3: who was asking the question, even if she could see

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Speaker 3: their faces, because they all looked alike. They'd had so

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Speaker 3: much in the way of facial surgery and so on

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Speaker 3: to look like what they should look like. And you know,

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Speaker 3: instead of claiming what it is that you actually look

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Speaker 3: like when you're this age, I mean, what are you

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Speaker 3: going to do about it? When I was seventy having

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Speaker 3: my seventieth birthday, by grandson was on the seat beside

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Speaker 3: me and he says, how old are you, nanny? And

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm seventy and he says, how old is

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Speaker 3: that old? And I said, oh, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's older. And he started pushing my face and he says, well,

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Speaker 3: what about these ruggles? And I said, don't worry about them.

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Speaker 3: They don't worry young. They don't hurt on the inside.

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Speaker 3: They look funny on the outside, but they don't hurt

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Speaker 3: on the inside. They're all right. I mean, it's that

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Speaker 3: kind of accepting who and what you are and making

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Speaker 3: it do. I mean, we're not going to do a bit.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean that's a that's a good

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Speaker 1: perspective on that too. And you know, is there something

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Speaker 1: I mean, people obviously are probably like, you know, what's

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Speaker 1: your secret?

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Speaker 2: What you know?

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Speaker 1: And is that why you're like, Okay, I'm writing this

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, here am I secret? Here?

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you when I've written the book,

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Speaker 3: is that this is I don't consider it good or

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Speaker 3: but for me that unnecessary. You know, it's just a

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Speaker 3: different from what you feel like you look like.

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Speaker 1: For sure. And I think it's hard too because in

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Speaker 1: I need to stop that because it's mentally not great.

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Speaker 1: Nor would I want my daughter to swipe on something

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Speaker 1: that isn't what she looks like, because she's beautiful in

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Speaker 1: my eyes, and I wouldn't want that or to promote that. Now. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's nice to be able to go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but like this softens it a little bit and makes

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Speaker 1: it look a little better. But so I for you,

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Speaker 1: do you think it was maybe easier without the social

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Speaker 1: or was that comparison of other people there just not

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Speaker 2: I think it's what every person wants to do with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll never look like Marilyn Mineral, I'll never

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Speaker 3: look like Elizabeth Taylor. I don't need to look like them.

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Speaker 3: I look like me, and they don't need to look

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Speaker 3: like me. And so I'm me and you're you, and

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Speaker 3: it's wonderful. And life goes on and you're going to

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Speaker 3: continue to age properly adequately, and that's that's just fine,

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Speaker 3: you know. And you know, in the process of aging,

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Speaker 3: my eyes have you know, they well, I can't see

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Speaker 3: well enough to read, so I'm listening to audio books

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Speaker 3: and getting a lot of really good stuff out of

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Speaker 3: audio books. But it's it's my eyesight has diminished. It

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Speaker 3: hasn't bothered my insight. In fact, my inside is better

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Speaker 3: now when my eyesight is not so good that it

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is well?

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Speaker 3: Because I was busy doing what my eyesight could tell me.

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Speaker 3: You know what I was looking for. I was looking

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Speaker 3: for whatever it was. I was looking forward that I needed,

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Speaker 3: which I'm not complaining about that now. Because I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, through your life, is there one thing that you

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Speaker 1: can look back and go I took that for granted.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, I just the fact that I breathe every day,

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Speaker 3: the fact you know that I get up and walk,

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Speaker 3: the fact that I used to be able to run

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Speaker 3: but that doesn't make them worse or better. I'm grateful

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Speaker 1: For your book, writing it, did you then have did

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Speaker 1: then you had someone just kind of write it out

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Speaker 1: for you or how did that process work?

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Speaker 3: I worked with people, you know, we talked about things

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Speaker 3: two hours trying to express in words what love is,

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Speaker 3: hours of working with that, we finally realized that, you know,

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Speaker 3: the world about love don't really allow a person to

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Speaker 3: know what it is. So it's that that ability to

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Speaker 3: and you allow it to come into yourself and you

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Speaker 3: know that that then is a part of you.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I love that one of your secrets that

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Speaker 1: you put in was all life needs to move when

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Speaker 1: obviously listeners are going to force them, not importantly, they

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Speaker 1: all need this book. So I'm gonna highly encourage What

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Speaker 1: do you mean though, by all life needs to move?

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Speaker 2: Exactly that? Because if life doesn't move, if it gets

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Speaker 2: stuck any place, it dies. If you have rosebud, a

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Speaker 2: to continue. If we didn't, if our blood didn't continue

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Speaker 2: didn't tote to continue to move on, we would die, right,

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Speaker 2: Just life has to move. Life and movement are part

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Speaker 1: And then you know, being to on the more holistic

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Speaker 1: that is, you know, what is something to be mindful?

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Speaker 1: Like I I want to live the fullest, longest, you

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Speaker 1: that into my children too, with you know, health, eating

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I've talked to a doctor amen on

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Speaker 1: here and he is just like, alcohol is the worse

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Speaker 1: want to have great brain health, but I really also

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Speaker 3: I can't tell anybody what it is because it has

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Speaker 3: to be personal thing. What works for me doesn't work

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Speaker 3: retired and all of that, but he can eat guardians

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Speaker 3: other son who when he was well, I don't know

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Speaker 3: him eat eggs. He now eats eggs, but at that point,

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Speaker 3: of us to understand ourselves and learn to love ourselves.

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Speaker 3: There's always one person you can always love, and that's you,

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Speaker 3: because that person doesn't get away from you. And it's

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Speaker 3: I like that, and then incorporate that aspect of ourselves

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that listening piece is that's been something that I've

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Speaker 3: He says, because I've got questions? And I said, well

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Speaker 2: You're certainly welcome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, you're a sweetheart. Thank you so much.