1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. It's a bonus podcast for your weekend. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: We've started doing these and it has exploded in interest. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Now it's like a new restaurant opening. Maybe sometimes when 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: you open a new restaurant, you get a lot of 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: attention because everybody wants to try it, and then it 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: turns out it's not. So we'll see. It takes us 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: extra time and energy, but let's be honest. We love talking, 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: we love engaging with you, and as long as you're 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: gonna listen to us, we're gonna keep doing it. 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In with that, 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: a former Kentucky clerk claims that illegal aliens paid two 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for driver's licenses in a black market scheme. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: He alleges that coworkers using her login credentials sold licenses 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: under the table to individuals who could not legally obtain 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: them due to their immigration status. Now, before we play 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: this clip, this is way bigger than stealing a loaf 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: of bread. Because one of the forms of identification we 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: grant people to get you most anything done is a 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: driver's license. This is why in liberal states they've been very, 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: very quick to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens, because 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: it has long been the process that we will accept 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: as a legal form of legal status in the United States. 28 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: A driver's license, a state issued driver's license. Well back 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: when people still cared about this country, every state took 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: pride in enforcing the laws and doing their part to 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: protect the nation by protecting their state's citizens. So if 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: you wanted a Kentucky or Louisiana, or Alabama or New 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: York driver's license, you would have to go through an 34 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: approval process within each state. And they differed, sure, but 35 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: there was a shared belief. We're Americans. We enforced this 36 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: law not just for our own state and citizens and 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: their protection, but for the rest of the country. Then 38 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: once the left decided they're going to collapse the system 39 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: and overrun us and replace us with illegal aliens, then 40 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: what they start doing. They started figuring out ways so 41 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: that these illegal aliens could have absolute access to anything anytime. 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: So that was when they started churning out the driver's licenses. 43 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: So this is a really really big crime and a 44 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: really really big deal. And I always look at a 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: case like this and say, well, if this is true 46 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: what this person says, If that is true, rest assured. 47 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: It's not the only time in the country that's happening. 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: So we know that California is going to give these 49 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: people illegal driver's license, probably New Mexico as well, probably 50 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Oregon as well. Liberal states with liberal state government. But 51 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: what we may not realize is how many Republican states, 52 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: red states are giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens illegally 53 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: through means like this. Because now when we're looking at 54 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: the data, we don't just need to look at the 55 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: liberal states. Now we see that it's probably happening in 56 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: If it's happening in Kentucky, it's probably happening in Texas 57 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: and Tennessee and Mississippi and Alabama and Florida and Georgia. 58 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: And it just gets to the depth of rot in 59 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: our country in allowing the left, through a conspiracy, to 60 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: attempt the replacement theory. And they got pretty far. I 61 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: mean it just like the Scooby Doo. You thought, maybe 62 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: they're going to pull it off and it would have 63 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: if it had been for you pesky kids. Well, Trump, 64 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: and you are the pesky kids. I really believe our 65 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: country is in a snap back and we're not going 66 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: back to where we were. People are going to fight back, 67 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: they're going to enforce the laws. We're going to get 68 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: the illegals out of here. And when that happened, people 69 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: are going to realize, Oh, maybe my cabbage will cost 70 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: fifty cents more per head, but maybe the crime rate 71 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: will go down. Oh, I'll be able to go to 72 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: the hospital without the State of Chihuahua in the waiting 73 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: room so that I can't get to see a doctor 74 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: for thirty hours. Oh I like that too. Oh okay. Oh, so, 75 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: so all the filth that was on this road where 76 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: all these people were thrown out tra Oh we have 77 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: fewer drunk driving deaths. Oh, we have fewer pedophile cases. 78 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Oh we have our school is not overburdened anymore with 79 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: people who don't pay taxes but do want services. Oh, 80 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: we're able to reduce the welfare rolls. Oh wow, it 81 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: turns out illegal aliens weren't contributing and they weren't doing 82 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: the job that Americans won't do. They were a drain 83 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: on our system, a criminal element, and something we would 84 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: be much better off without. Once that happens, people are 85 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: going to people that weren't sure. They're going to look 86 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: around and say proofs into pudding. I like the way 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: I live better now. So that is why when you 88 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: listen to this story. And credit to w d RB 89 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: in Louisville, Kentucky for the story. The state didn't want 90 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: this out fraud inside Kentucky's transportation cabinet licenses issued without 91 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: a driver's test. 92 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: It is an ongoing WDRB investigation, and tonight we hear 93 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: from a whistleblower who says coworkers used her loggin to 94 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: pull off this scheme. 95 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: Employees were being paid underneath the table. 96 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: They say, sometimes I need. 97 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: To let my superris I know about it. 98 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: Truth hurt. Did you ever think that this would cost 99 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: you your job? No? And from Melissa Mormon, I. 100 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 3: Was angry for a long time. 101 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: This is one of those. 102 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: It hurts me that I'm talking about this and actually, 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: like where I was working at times. I came into 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: the office that day, my computer was shut down. I 105 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: was told to go to the front door. Detectives came in. 106 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: They interviewed me deputation. 107 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: Mormon says she was fired three months after she sent 108 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: this letter to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, blowing the whistle 109 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: that workers at the NIA Center licensing branch were selling 110 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: driver's licenses under the table to people who never took 111 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: the driver's. 112 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: Test, undocumented workers. 113 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: How did it work? 114 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: What was going on? The undocumented workers would come into 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: the office in groups. They would provide then neither permits 116 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: or driver's license illegally, so they will bypassed without even 117 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: taking that test. 118 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: How much to up to five times a day? She says? 119 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: Was this an everyday thing? 120 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: Almost? Yes. 121 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: I first reported on the driver's license fraud investigation in 122 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: April after getting my hands on one of the state's 123 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: revocation letters. We learned the Transportation Cabinet sent more than 124 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: fifteen hundred of them in five months, telling drivers their 125 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: license was issued in air and must be turned where 126 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: they could be criminally charged. At the time, state officials 127 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: confirmed at least two terminations and ongoing state and federal 128 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: investigations focused on the NIA Center in West Louisville and 129 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: the Etown license branch, but they denied all of our 130 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: record's requests with holding twenty three hundred documents on the fraud. 131 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: Mormon's story fills in the blanks. 132 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: I found out that it may have been going on 133 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: for a couple of years before it was found out. 134 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: We're told it wasn't as simple as people getting state 135 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: issued driver's license or permits without taking a test. She says. 136 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: Two of her colleagues at the NIA Center approached her 137 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: with a business venture, asking if she wanted to get 138 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: in on the scheme. 139 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: I was asked to bring certain customers in and they 140 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: are brought in to me without sign in, and you 141 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: would scan the documents as. 142 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: Usual, documents made to look legitimate, like birth certificates and 143 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: Social Security cards, according to the letters she wrote to 144 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: the state. But a key pulling off this scheme was 145 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: making sure the required Homeland Security screening was never run. 146 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: I started getting these emails saying are you doing this? 147 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: Are you doing this? Are you doing this? 148 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: And that's where it unraveled, she says. Those workers were 149 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: using her loging a password. She says her bosses made 150 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: her share as all workers at the driver's license branch 151 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: did not have their wrong. Mormon was training to be 152 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: a supervisor. 153 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: I'm not even at my desk because I'm doing various 154 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: duties or I'm not there for the day, so things 155 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: start kind of coming together. I'm like, what's going on? 156 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: Was it always undocumented workers? Yes, every time. 157 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: Every time. 158 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: It does not surprise me. 159 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: Adrian Travetti helps people trying to obtain legal status an 160 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: immigration attorney for fourteen years before. 161 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: Those immigrants that don't have a pathway to obtain legal status, 162 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: having a driver's license could mean the difference between getting 163 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 4: home from work safely, to their children, to their wives 164 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: or husbands, and not. For a relatively small price to 165 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: be able to have that chance of avoiding deportation, even 166 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: just for that day, they're willing to take it to. 167 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: Mormon, this license scheme exploited people. 168 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: I didn't want no parts of it. 169 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: Mormon says. She wrote this letter with her boss on 170 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: October twenty ninth, and she spoke to detectives three months later. 171 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: She was fired the same day. 172 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: Gum Puch, Yes, very hard, gut Puch. 173 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: She was two years and three months onto the job, 174 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: but she didn't technically work for the state. Mormon was 175 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: a contractor for Quantum, a staffing agency that Kentucky hired 176 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: to help fuild positions and drivers license branches, and they 177 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: took licensing away from the county clerks. 178 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: Please record your message. 179 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Mister Vanstin. 180 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: This is Gilbert Corci from WDRB News. The Michigan based 181 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: company did not return our calls or emails. It hung up. 182 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: It's shocking. Why would an employer punish and take retribution 183 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: on an employee that reported this wrongdoing. 184 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: Mormon's story now the heart of a whistleblower lawsuit going 185 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: after both the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. She should be a 186 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: hero and Quantum Solutions. 187 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: There's a failure to supervise these employees. There were obviously 188 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: no checks and balances. 189 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police is on it. There are serious concerns 190 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: and will hold anybody accountable if they violated the law. 191 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: That's basically all Governor Andy Basheer would say. As we 192 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: pressed on this case in April, But there was a 193 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: part of our interview that didn't make our prior report, 194 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: and it may be important now is there an immigration 195 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: component to this? 196 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: Not that I'm aware of. 197 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: WDRB is fighting in court for the paper trail to 198 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: be made public. Uncovering who knew what and when. Sometimes 199 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: the truth does hurt. I was hurt and press, but 200 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Melissa Mormon believes I. 201 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: Really would like to get my job back. 202 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: It will set her free. 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