Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 1: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 1: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 2: In SVU podcast, I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 3: And I'm Kara Klank And on this podcast, we talk SVU,
Speaker 3: we talk true crime, we interview guests, and at the beginning,
Speaker 3: we straight up gossip and listen.
Speaker 2: I had a whole list of shit.
Speaker 3: We could talk about today, and I guess I'm just
Speaker 3: shelving all of.
Speaker 2: It because but you had it.
Speaker 1: You've had a crazy couple of days, and I feel
Speaker 1: everybody needs to know what's going on. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know. Okay, so, uh, Springfield. If you're on the internet,
Speaker 1: like obviously you know. But I had the show books
Speaker 1: and I didn't really want to go. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's hard to get down there. But people from
Speaker 1: small town or people that live around, it's like, I
Speaker 1: want to I want people to come see me, and
Speaker 1: I want to say I want to do shows. It
Speaker 1: is my job and passion. So but some for some reason,
Speaker 1: I knew something was gonna go off. So I even
Speaker 1: booked my travel the day before. I'm like, something's gonna
Speaker 1: go awry, Like in my spirit, I knew it. You know,
Speaker 1: we think about Colleen stan the Girl in the Box,
Speaker 1: one of our earlier episodes and of more tragic, but
Speaker 1: the big lesson is trust your gut. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: it was just like we're, oh, I'm denying it at
Speaker 1: all times. You're telling you gut to shut the fuck up,
Speaker 1: and you're trucking on.
Speaker 2: I'm trucking on. So I got on my flight in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: I ended up missing my connection in Atlanta because the
Speaker 1: New York flight was laid forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: The airport's created the tram whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah whatever, they put me on a nine
Speaker 1: o'clock I don't give a fuck. I booked the travel
Speaker 1: the day before. Yeah, it doesn't matter. So I'm feeling fine.
Speaker 1: Head onto the lounge, Gonna have a cocktail while I
Speaker 1: chill at the Atlanta airport. One of my favorite sex
Speaker 1: you know, I say this a lot. The hottest people
Speaker 1: that work in flight work in Atlanta at the Delta terminal.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 1: Then I get a call and I get panic text.
Speaker 1: I have all these missed calls from agents managers and
Speaker 1: they're like, do not get on the flight.
Speaker 2: I go, honey, I'm delayed. It's fine.
Speaker 1: They go, we have another client who's check just bounced
Speaker 1: from this place we called them. They don't have the
Speaker 1: money to pay you.
Speaker 2: Do not go. They're not going to pay you.
Speaker 1: They're asking to do maybe less shows and what they
Speaker 1: can afford, YadA YadA, And I go, well, no, I go,
Speaker 1: I go. This motherfucker's texting me about airport pickup. He's
Speaker 1: like explaining what car and who to look out for
Speaker 1: at the airport. So he just had a full conversation
Speaker 1: with my team being like I can't pay her while
Speaker 1: texting me.
Speaker 2: Like everything's on, come to the airport.
Speaker 1: So this is like a media and I'll say, because
Speaker 1: I popped off on the internet, like all these newspapers
Speaker 1: are like places and outlets are messaging me from Springfield,
Speaker 1: Missouri and they want to report on it. And it's fine,
Speaker 1: but I need my mofucking money because it's reach of contract.
Speaker 2: You wasted my time.
Speaker 1: But also, flights to Springfield, Missouri are eight hundred plus dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like go fuck yourself. I can't. I'm like, so ups whatever.
Speaker 1: So I get hammered, but.
Speaker 2: So I'm flying back.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's crazy is like why with all
Speaker 1: the media, it's like why are you He's a liar.
Speaker 1: He's a true liar, grifter maniac. So he'll have full
Speaker 1: conversations with my team being like, I'm sorry, we're on
Speaker 1: hard times. I don't know what to do. I'm trying
Speaker 1: my best. And then people are messaging me being like
Speaker 1: he's calling you a dumb bitch on Facebook on his
Speaker 1: personal account, and I'm like, he just cried to my agents,
Speaker 1: like that's what he's doing. So then he's messaging me,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I fucked up. I like posted the text.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the exact wording, and then a
Speaker 1: person that works at the club goes, hey, I just
Speaker 1: watched your video. I guess he's saying different things. He
Speaker 1: told me your van broke down and that it's your fault.
Speaker 1: You're not here, so we're not refunding anyone or paying you,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I truly have tech. That's
Speaker 1: when I posted the text. I go, what is happened?
Speaker 1: Like then I'm getting messages from staff, from marketing people.
Speaker 2: He's hired.
Speaker 1: He's not paid people I'm getting I'm getting messages from
Speaker 1: dozens of dozens of people. I'm getting messages from people
Speaker 1: from his life. I'm getting phone numbers. I want to
Speaker 1: pop off, I want to post all the instagrams, I
Speaker 1: want to do everything. Thank God for this podcast that
Speaker 1: I could talk about it. And then my people are like,
Speaker 1: just wait till we get the money, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you get the fucking money.
Speaker 2: You all me money? How dare you book me there?
Speaker 1: I'm like so mad, but whatever, I'll be in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: miss like Missouri in February.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: I like a little drama in my life so I
Speaker 1: don't have to like focus on anything else.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he like wasn't being honest with ticket holders,
Speaker 1: so he was just like switching tickets to a different show,
Speaker 1: not really telling people the truth. And people work hard
Speaker 1: for their money, people spend money. People were gonna drive
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, their messaging me being like thank god I
Speaker 1: didn't get on that, like start.
Speaker 2: Driving like it is. It is disgusting.
Speaker 1: And then after he finally he's like, I'm gonna post
Speaker 1: that it's canceled. I'm sorry, like apologizing, tell the truth.
Speaker 1: I get messages from people that ended up going to
Speaker 1: the club being like he's on stage saying it's a reschedule,
Speaker 1: not a cancelation. Oh, like you'll be back, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: work this out, Liza will be back.
Speaker 2: Give me a break.
Speaker 1: So the newspaper person's like, oh, he's saying like issues
Speaker 1: like that happened, cancelations happened.
Speaker 2: Like it's all I go.
Speaker 1: I've been storing for now eleven years, like as a
Speaker 1: full time performer, and this has never happened. I'm like
Speaker 1: the way people are reacting that I see them. Our
Speaker 1: peers are like that's crazy, you know, yeah, crazy, But yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm just glad you didn't fucking show up do the shows.
Speaker 3: And then there were like no check oh the checks
Speaker 3: and the mail, babe, and then you just never get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well for sure, that's why everything does happen
Speaker 1: for a reason, Like I was not meant to go.
Speaker 1: I felt it in my core, and then thank god,
Speaker 1: like the New York flight was delayed and I got
Speaker 1: to like be at the airport if I was flying
Speaker 1: to Springfield while I got the messages from my.
Speaker 2: People, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Also page if the other clients checked in bounce moments before,
Speaker 1: like the check bounced at like five fourteen and at
Speaker 1: five to twe they called me, Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it all happened so fast that like
Speaker 1: I was not meant to go there, and I had
Speaker 1: like a fine weekend. I got to do whippets again,
Speaker 1: which you know is like a passion of fine the
Speaker 1: silver whippet lining. Yeah, I did get to do whippets,
Speaker 1: and I think I did another thing by late in
Speaker 1: bet No, I watched like forty five hours of The
Speaker 1: Bald and the Beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's just like it's not that hard to like project
Speaker 3: that you don't have any money, like and and go
Speaker 3: on a little hiatus or whatever.
Speaker 2: You can't keep booking. Continuing to lie when there's evidence in.
Speaker 3: Not there's cons to the ticket holders means you've already
Speaker 3: spent their money.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I had comics messaging me like the ticket link is
Speaker 1: still up and it is Saturday, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I can it's all down.
Speaker 2: It's all down.
Speaker 1: I'm like people are messaging that it's still up, like
Speaker 1: he's still doing it. So like blue Room Comedy, Blue
Speaker 1: Room Comedy, Blue.
Speaker 3: Room Comedy, rip, I mean, no real, I don't know,
Speaker 3: and there's no way. I feel like there's no way
Speaker 3: they're ever going to book anybody reputable ever.
Speaker 2: Again, yeah I did.
Speaker 1: People were sending me that other future acts were canceling,
Speaker 1: which is good, but it's like, I don't know, so
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So that's why I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well, sorry to anybody that listens that
Speaker 1: was gonna go. I'm sure you would have hopefully got
Speaker 1: the message. I left eying comedy. I packed fun outfits.
Speaker 1: I even passed your out outfits like fuck off, like I,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I had a hat a murder to research.
Speaker 3: I guess it's like, I mean, yeah, that's true. I
Speaker 3: guess it's like you have been doing this a long
Speaker 3: time and nothing's ever happened, so it's like like this,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's the way, you know, it's surprising
Speaker 3: to me that it hasn't happened like more. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's scammers everywhere, so I'm just surprised like that. I'm
Speaker 3: happy that you've gone this long with this happening, and
Speaker 3: that you know, it could have been worse, like you
Speaker 3: could have actually given your time and talents for nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy and then also still continuously thinking you're
Speaker 1: the victim, like, oh, I'm sorry, Like what was I
Speaker 1: supposed to do?
Speaker 2: And I wrote like be honest.
Speaker 1: You could have been honest sooner I please, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: or like can we actually only do Friday?
Speaker 2: Like so many options?
Speaker 1: Like this is clearly a maniac and I'm really annoyed
Speaker 1: that the papers in Springfield are like posting it, like
Speaker 1: writing about his perspective.
Speaker 2: It's like so psycho to me, it's annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, I have a podcast. I guess to talk
Speaker 1: about whatever I want. I do have another conflict. Why
Speaker 1: why don't you say one of your list things? Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not just me shouting in a race, Okay, I
Speaker 1: am Linkeen. I obviously wanted to say rip Diane Keaton.
Speaker 1: I was obviously very upset that she has passed. I
Speaker 1: was shocked.
Speaker 3: She was born in Highland Park, my neighborhood, and I've
Speaker 3: always thought that was very cool and I loved her
Speaker 3: so much and I'm really sad that she is gone,
Speaker 3: and so many beautiful tributes.
Speaker 1: She was so beloved, also beloved, I mean, and I
Speaker 1: think it's going to continue to pour in. I think
Speaker 1: people are going to watch her movies for a while
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I actually had never seen Annie Hall, so it's making
Speaker 3: me want to go see Annie Hall.
Speaker 1: And I hope, you know, like seeing Nancy Meyer's posts,
Speaker 1: it's sad. It's just I feel like we're never getting
Speaker 1: another We're never getting another book Club.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she would have worked.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, she was working till the end, and
Speaker 1: she would have continued to work and make stuff. I
Speaker 1: was excited for book Club three in such a cool
Speaker 1: fashion visionary and like also an unmarried.
Speaker 2: Cool woman who like, yeah, the free fun.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that she dated so many big actors,
Speaker 3: like long term relationships, but she never got married. She
Speaker 3: never got married, and she was like marriage is not
Speaker 3: for me. And you know what. I saw this booking
Speaker 3: video today. I think it's Elizabeth Gilbert, but don't quote
Speaker 3: me on it talking about statistically married women. Oh baby,
Speaker 3: it's not looking good for us. Oh man, it's like
Speaker 3: married women are more likely to die earlier, more likely
Speaker 3: to take their own lives, more like to be sick,
Speaker 3: like all these fucking things, like single women are happy
Speaker 3: or single. It was like crazy, this whole thing, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, fuck, did I make a mistake.
Speaker 3: I could be living a lot longer and be happier,
Speaker 3: I guess. But well, yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why a lot of women are
Speaker 1: like not doing it, and that's why the fascism wants
Speaker 1: to it by force. They want to be forced. But
Speaker 1: people like it is a survival instinct. If it is
Speaker 1: like if if all of these bad things happen, don't
Speaker 1: you think it's like the logical smart thing to do,
Speaker 1: be like maybe I won't do that, or I'll be more.
Speaker 2: Cautious about it.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, they appreciate watch it and they're illogical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't do it at twenty at twenty two
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, like do it like when you
Speaker 3: know something.
Speaker 2: Also, I really quickly.
Speaker 3: Want to say, if you live in California, please vote
Speaker 3: yes on fifty. It's the only thing happening on the
Speaker 3: ballot here. Please get your ballot in as soon as
Speaker 3: possible so that, like you know, advocation advocacy groups and
Speaker 3: stuff can stop trying to get in touch with you,
Speaker 3: like that they cross you off their list once your
Speaker 3: ballot is turned in. It's really important if we want
Speaker 3: to try to win back the House next year for
Speaker 3: California to pass this prop and it is temporary in
Speaker 3: case you're like, why are we doing this?
Speaker 2: It's temporary till twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1: FYI.
Speaker 2: So that's my little political call. What is it? What
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 3: So basically Texas redistricted to jerrymander and win back and
Speaker 3: win five seats. Newsom said, if you guys do this,
Speaker 3: I'm going to redistrict in California and get those seats back.
Speaker 3: Like and so a lot of people are like, you know, well,
Speaker 3: we shouldn't go low when they go low. Plus that
Speaker 3: we have to stop. We have to we have to
Speaker 3: play the game they're playing.
Speaker 1: There's not it's in a game. People are in concentration camps.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the worst thing to do to
Speaker 1: Jerrymander back. And you know, exactly just kind of popped
Speaker 1: off with someone. I talked to a comedian and like
Speaker 1: they were performing and this like maga person cried to
Speaker 1: them after the show and was like I love you
Speaker 1: so much, like I met whatever, and I go, fuck
Speaker 1: them tears, fuck. I don't care what they realize now,
Speaker 1: I don't care what it's too late. Put your body
Speaker 1: on the line. I don't give a fuck. If you're
Speaker 1: a Republican and you voted for Trump and you feel
Speaker 1: bad and guilty now and this is what we should
Speaker 1: tell the people in our lives. You feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't what. Put your body on the line. Go
Speaker 1: get pepper spread, go on the front line and put
Speaker 1: your body on there. Because unless you do that, I
Speaker 1: don't care how bad you feel. I don't care how
Speaker 1: bad do you feel. Fuck them to thank you. I
Speaker 1: love that your body on the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, it's an easy it's super easy. We
Speaker 3: all got a mail in ballot for it. If you will,
Speaker 3: most of us, if you're signed up for mail in ballots,
Speaker 3: shoot it back in, go to a quick place and
Speaker 3: fill in one little bubble and walk out on election day.
Speaker 3: But get it done. We really need that to pass.
Speaker 3: And it's what most Californians want. It's just like people are,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not as sexy candidates confusing. It's a
Speaker 3: way the language on these props are always like confusa saying,
Speaker 3: and like with the uber stuff last year two years
Speaker 3: ago and then fucking stuff up, they always just like
Speaker 3: try to confuse exactly the props are very confusing. This
Speaker 3: is a yes, it's going to be. It's gonna expire
Speaker 3: in twenty thirty one. It's just we gotta They're just
Speaker 3: gonna keep jerrymandering in every fucking state to try to win.
Speaker 3: They're just going to try to because they know they're fucked,
Speaker 3: I think in next year. But anyway, let's move on.
Speaker 3: The other thing I wanted to bring up obviously was
Speaker 3: Wendy Osepha Wendy and eddiosepho going to jail, and I
Speaker 3: think we.
Speaker 2: Just have to write the script.
Speaker 1: I think we just have to write the SVU Real
Speaker 1: house Swift crossover event. Yeah, we got to send it
Speaker 1: in like there for some reason refuse. They refuse. It's
Speaker 1: like it's NBC Universal, It's the same family. Fucking do
Speaker 1: it get Andy Sety.
Speaker 2: Goddamn.
Speaker 3: We've been saying it forever. Housewives is true crime. If
Speaker 3: you listen to our intros and you're like, not for me,
Speaker 3: it's true crime. So if you don't know what we're
Speaker 3: talking about, this two people on the Real Housewives of Potomac,
Speaker 3: which is a wonderful franchise that I enjoyed very much.
Speaker 3: This one woman is one of the Housewives. Her name
Speaker 3: is Wendyosepho, doctor Wendiosepho. She constantly brags about how many
Speaker 3: degrees she has, how educated she is, and she is
Speaker 3: she was like a professor at Johns Hopkins, like she's
Speaker 3: very educated. They just got busted with like seven felony counts,
Speaker 3: arrested for allegedly they had a home burglary while they
Speaker 3: were on vacation in Jamaica. But what they had done
Speaker 3: first was they had bought a bunch of expensive shit
Speaker 3: because they buy expensive shit whatever, bags, jewelry, whatever, and
Speaker 3: then I guess they returned it and claimed it all
Speaker 3: stolen in the the quote unquote robbery. So it's alleged
Speaker 3: that they've committed insurance fraud, which you know, the minute
Speaker 3: I heard it, I go.
Speaker 2: Could I do that? I was like, do I have anything?
Speaker 2: Could I do that?
Speaker 3: That seems pretty easy and harmless, no victims, But God,
Speaker 3: you're on fucking TV like they're gonna be.
Speaker 2: Looking at it.
Speaker 1: I think Kyle did it. I think touriit's I think
Speaker 1: people do it. It made me rethink everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, we already were, we were already shaky on
Speaker 3: Kyle in p k's burglary but I always believed Kyle's
Speaker 3: burglary for some reason because she got shit stolen that
Speaker 3: was like her mom's and I bet your fucking ass
Speaker 3: that's in a safe deposit box somewhere in Encino and
Speaker 3: didn't ever get stolen. I mean, this is like these
Speaker 3: housewives get robbed all the time, which you know, Kim
Speaker 3: Kardashian got robbed in Paris. We famously covered it on
Speaker 3: this podcast. Like people do game robbed. People do get
Speaker 3: robbed when they are people of note and they are wealthy.
Speaker 3: But these people, I mean doctor Wendy and Eddie, though
Speaker 3: they got paid out four hundred and fifty k, like.
Speaker 1: So numbers, I'm actually happy it's at least like that much.
Speaker 1: I thought that's why I read that it was four
Speaker 1: fifty I read it was for fifty K, so like,
Speaker 1: I think they went fitth it.
Speaker 2: And she's kind.
Speaker 1: Of grinning in her mugshot. She's looking like kind of
Speaker 1: trying to be cute. They look like they're on fucking PCP.
Speaker 1: People are like, she looks like she's in the movie
Speaker 1: Smile three.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, oh my god, somebody else sexed that today
Speaker 3: goes she looks she's in Smile I forgot who I
Speaker 3: was with that said that, But I it's really nuts
Speaker 3: you were saying the last time we recorded that you've
Speaker 3: been catching up on Tricksy and Katia. So did you
Speaker 3: see the last did you hear or watch the last
Speaker 3: episode where Bob is on Bob the Drag Queen.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: How he went to the Hollywood Bowl to see Cynthia
Speaker 3: Revo and I guess raoul A Sparza was singing as well,
Speaker 3: and he Bob the Drag Queen was like, Cynthia is amazing.
Speaker 2: But Raoula Sparza stole the fucking show.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, Like there was a long commercial
Speaker 3: for Barba on the Bolt and the Beautiful for Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what got me in.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, I'm actually over a year old,
Speaker 1: and I think I have to stop because it's hard
Speaker 1: to listen to like a like because people do that
Speaker 1: with our podcast, they go backwards and they say, sometimes
Speaker 1: it is hard to sense the optimism in our voice,
Speaker 1: knowing what's to come, knowing what's yeah, yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: really tough. So I just like was able to experience
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, Like if you want a
Speaker 1: time more back to twenty twenty. No, everything's terrible. That's
Speaker 1: why I like, okay, I am going to share this drama.
Speaker 1: Even though Casey did wave the flag but twice. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I did have something happened yesterday, and thank god
Speaker 1: it's a minor, like my problems are fine, but it
Speaker 1: did upset. It really hurt, like overly, like my feelings
Speaker 1: were hurt. So I get invited to do this Norm
Speaker 1: McDonald like cancer fundraiser poker tournament, and of course I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're waving my entry fee, I get to play poker mastros,
Speaker 1: I'll lead, I'll eat, I'll eat there.
Speaker 2: So I'm in a good mood.
Speaker 1: I'm excited, and even put in avews, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go play poker thrilling. And then while I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: then I get the invite and this is what I
Speaker 1: told you. I go. It says I'm going to elevate
Speaker 1: the event, like this has to be not a real event.
Speaker 1: Then you know what I mean, Like, oh, that's just
Speaker 1: like what they're writing to everybody in like pr speaking exactly.
Speaker 1: But in my head, I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: You don't need me there to elevate anything right like this.
Speaker 1: I ended up meeting the young person at the office
Speaker 1: at the organization that picked me, and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: are you the youth ambassador And he's like yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of like he had an espresso martini, had a sweater
Speaker 1: like he was I was, He's the guy who got
Speaker 1: me there. But then, you know, while we're recording, so
Speaker 1: I get the list of celebs that are going to
Speaker 1: be there, and I see Hank Kazaria and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna meet Hank Azaria.
Speaker 2: Like the bird Cage is a trigger family.
Speaker 1: Classic, yeah, and the Simpsons, like the fucking Simpsons. And
Speaker 1: I had just judged the Simpsons costume contest and someone
Speaker 1: dressed their baby as most his Lack, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's gonna love this. He's gonna love seeing Most his
Speaker 1: Lack as a baby, Like this baby is really fucking cute.
Speaker 1: Like I can't I'm just like, I can't even believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. It really got me in a tizzy.
Speaker 1: I actually did bring him a sticker of one of
Speaker 1: his characters of Kirk and How and I was like, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll sense the vibes. So when I get there,
Speaker 1: I go, I've made a grave mistake, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: We raise money for cancer, and I drink Manhattan until
Speaker 1: I blacked out.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I get there.
Speaker 1: It's a small room and it is men in tech
Speaker 1: vests and like checkered button downs and suit jackets and sunglasses.
Speaker 2: These are poker heads.
Speaker 1: These are people that spent thousands of dollars to be
Speaker 1: here to play, and they want to. They're about like
Speaker 1: they have weekly games, they have monthly games.
Speaker 2: Like they are.
Speaker 1: I'm just like playing with men who got out of
Speaker 1: work who have like are just like Poe, like they
Speaker 1: love poker in finance.
Speaker 2: So I'm standing, no one will talk to me.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing like a sea through my Sea through Seafood
Speaker 1: Tower shirt like on theme.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not astros. So I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So finally I look, Oh, one of the dealers took
Speaker 1: pity on me and goes, sit down, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a lesson.
Speaker 2: I go, thanks.
Speaker 1: So I hung out with Tony, one of the dealers,
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I look and I see
Speaker 1: David Cross, who I did his podcast. He was really
Speaker 1: rude to me and to the pr girl and he
Speaker 1: kind of like was room dude. But I was excited
Speaker 1: to meet him. I'm a fan, so to me, I
Speaker 1: was just like powering through.
Speaker 2: But you'd already met.
Speaker 1: Him when you did his podcast, Yes, okay, Like on
Speaker 1: the pod he was rude. I mean you can go
Speaker 1: listen to it, maybe you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: he was just not that nice. Yeah, and I so
Speaker 1: I kind of played into it and acted kind of
Speaker 1: dumb like I wasn't realizing he was being as rude
Speaker 1: as he was to me.
Speaker 2: But whatever.
Speaker 1: So, but I see him in an ally nonetheless, So
Speaker 1: I go, Tony, I recognize someone. I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go say hello. So I go over to David Cross
Speaker 1: and this woman who works at the cancer organization and
Speaker 1: we're talking. We're talking and I'm talking about Hank Kasaria
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't wait to meet Hank. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is he coming? I feel like no one else is coming.
Speaker 1: I'm texting the other comics I know that are invited.
Speaker 1: Everyone goes, We're not coming. I go, great, fantastic. So
Speaker 1: the only celebs are unfortunately me for everyone there and
Speaker 1: Hank Kazaria and David Cross. So we're standing. We're standing,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. When I went to the bath
Speaker 1: something happened. Hank signing in and I see David Cross
Speaker 1: go to Hank Kazaria to talk to him. And I
Speaker 1: look at this woman from the Cancer Society and I go,
Speaker 1: he's ruining this for me.
Speaker 2: She goes, no, he wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I go, he is warning Hank Kazaria that I'm a
Speaker 1: crazy person and that he should not talk to me.
Speaker 1: I go, I know that that's what's happening. And this
Speaker 1: woman goes, he would never do that. I go, yeah
Speaker 1: he would.
Speaker 2: So I appressed he's spoken to you yet at the event.
Speaker 1: David Cross, Yeah, yeah, Like I'm talking with him in
Speaker 1: the cancer I'm telling.
Speaker 2: Them he was there when you were saying how much
Speaker 2: you like?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I go, you know, I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: conversation like I don't know, like I'm at an event,
Speaker 1: like I don't am I the only fun girl, Like
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I finally met some lesbians at the end,
Speaker 1: so someone that knows Marishka, like, you know, I got
Speaker 1: loosed by the end because I was just like okay,
Speaker 1: but then I did cry in the way what happened.
Speaker 2: In New York. It used to be fun.
Speaker 1: So I'm like befriending dealers. It's like a die or
Speaker 1: to no. He was a great guy, Tony. So anyways,
Speaker 1: so so I go up to David Cross, like, what
Speaker 1: did you say to Hank? Did you like warn him
Speaker 1: or something? Hank comes up, So then I go, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Lisa. I'm here playing poker too, and it's like
Speaker 1: kind of we're standing and I go, you know, I
Speaker 1: did want to show you something, but I would have
Speaker 1: saved it for later. But I knew he had done something,
Speaker 1: like I just so I asked him if he wants
Speaker 1: to see it, and Hank Kazaria goes, no, I really don't.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm sick of all you Simpsons people. It
Speaker 1: never ends with you guys. This isn't work. I'm not
Speaker 1: working right now. And so like I am taking it
Speaker 1: in and I'm my mouth my jaws on the floor,
Speaker 1: like so my face is kind of cracking. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and he's just and he's going on and then he goes, ah, God,
Speaker 1: I can't look at your face anymore. He put me
Speaker 1: up to it. I didn't want to do this. He
Speaker 1: put me up to it. So it's like, oh it's
Speaker 1: a joke, Oh my god. But it's like David, I
Speaker 1: am like buzzing. I am telling you as as just
Speaker 1: a person, I'm so excited to meet my hair like
Speaker 1: one of the people. How to act like you hate bands,
Speaker 1: like you're a terrible person, like you fucking suck. I
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that I hate David Cross like
Speaker 1: fuck because that's your spirit, bro, that's your fucking spirit.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I brought him a sticker like I am talking about
Speaker 1: hankh is there Like it's truly like if a kid's
Speaker 1: excited for saying like, I don't know why you're you
Speaker 1: would do this? And he goes, look at Hank Kazaria
Speaker 1: legit was like looking at your face was heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: So okay, I'm just happy because my heart was breaking
Speaker 3: that Hank Kazaria was a yes.
Speaker 1: And now he's not. Am I tearing up thinking about it,
Speaker 1: like I truly feel bullied, like I feel like a child,
Speaker 1: like I am like so it like and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: of course, show me the photo.
Speaker 2: He's like so cute.
Speaker 1: Then he's spoke in a most of his black voice,
Speaker 1: and I did jump up and down and uh, but
Speaker 1: like the vibes were just off because of him, Like
Speaker 1: it just it just was different. And I'm a personable
Speaker 1: person and I could have kind of like had a
Speaker 1: good time with Hank Kazaria. I wanted a photo with him.
Speaker 1: My parents love him, like I just so. Then he's
Speaker 1: like eating food and I was like, don't worry, I'm normal.
Speaker 2: I go.
Speaker 1: I actually was like, I got to do a virtual
Speaker 1: table read for your duff Man episode. I know Christine
Speaker 1: Ningele and he goes and that I think like helped
Speaker 1: him a little because then he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's the best.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 2: I don't tell her she's my favorite.
Speaker 1: She writes the best for my people, you know, Like
Speaker 1: he was just like being really flattering to her and
Speaker 1: we had a few moments and then I got to
Speaker 1: sit at the same table as him. So then I'm excited,
Speaker 1: but I sat next to these two suit guys. I'm
Speaker 1: introducing myself to everyone. They tap me and they go,
Speaker 1: you have to sit at the other table, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I've been moved because I'm a crazy person,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's happening. And then I have
Speaker 1: to sit next to David Cross, but I'm getting hammered
Speaker 1: at this point. Also, I'd like to say, all the
Speaker 1: rich men there, nobody tipped. Nobody tipped. I am the
Speaker 1: only person that tipped anybody all night. And then the
Speaker 1: men saw me tip and went, should we be tipping?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're obviously you all have more.
Speaker 2: Money than me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, I'm tipping on my fucking nice
Speaker 1: ass Manhattans.
Speaker 2: Yeah I am. But guess what I'm getting five fucking
Speaker 2: cherries of dark cherries.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: Anyways, so but these people are really good at poker.
Speaker 1: I lost the money immediately, they gave me more chips
Speaker 1: like everyone people were like, I like, I was out
Speaker 1: of my element.
Speaker 2: I was out of my element. These are these were.
Speaker 1: Like poker players. Yeah, and like Sank ended up winning everything.
Speaker 1: But at one point, I mean, I ended up having
Speaker 1: fun and then I made everyone laugh. At one point
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, you know, I'm having fun. I wanted
Speaker 1: to have fun.
Speaker 2: And so then.
Speaker 1: He says something else shitty or something, and I go,
Speaker 1: why don't you like me? Or I'm like why are
Speaker 1: you so hate? Like why do you hate me?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What is like?
Speaker 1: What are you doing and he goes, I don't hate you.
Speaker 1: I mean I laughed at something you said earlier. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of it. And it's just like
Speaker 1: I've never met a grown person that wants to ruin
Speaker 1: people's I don't know, I just don't really surround myself
Speaker 1: with like that kind of a person.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I don't think that all.
Speaker 3: So knowing you is your type of humor at all,
Speaker 3: like to be like pretend you hate what she's saying
Speaker 3: or whatever, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Just through in this moment that you guys saw me before,
Speaker 1: I went like I was just really excited and and
Speaker 1: even maybe I could have played it off, but I
Speaker 1: truly like watching him be like, no, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You guys are all the same. You never leave me alone,
Speaker 1: like it never ends with you guys the Simpsons.
Speaker 2: And I could that would have been a fine.
Speaker 1: It's thirty seven seasons, like I get it. So part
Speaker 1: of me I was about to start saying, oh, you're right,
Speaker 1: everyone loves the Simpsons. I'm sure it's tiring, or like
Speaker 1: I was trying to like be normal, and I like
Speaker 1: told my parents the story of like I wish I
Speaker 1: got to send them a photo.
Speaker 2: He would have been nicer to me.
Speaker 1: I could have made I could have maybe handled it better,
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day of the upset
Speaker 1: and no, this is that like I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: roll with it or be fine or like be in
Speaker 1: the moment. But I just knew something was going on.
Speaker 1: And I knew he was like saying something about me
Speaker 1: to him and he dies.
Speaker 2: You knew it.
Speaker 1: You knew it.
Speaker 2: I knew it because he is dark sided. He's dark,
Speaker 2: he's dark energy.
Speaker 1: Because he was so rude to me and the pr
Speaker 1: girl when I did his podcast too. And then I've
Speaker 1: told a few friends obviously already and they were like, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's an unknown dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wrote in a van with him during Bonnaroo a
Speaker 3: million years ago and he didn't give us the time
Speaker 3: of day really, like we were all chatting in the van,
Speaker 3: everyone talking about like him.
Speaker 1: He didn't talk to anybody.
Speaker 3: But and it's like, and I has a mister Show
Speaker 3: and bought with Bob and David is like one of
Speaker 3: my favorite shows.
Speaker 2: Like I'm a fan, you know, yeah, Men in Black.
Speaker 1: I like maybe it's a disaster, Like I love scary movie,
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Is it because I wasn't as excited to see you, Like,
Speaker 1: yeah whatever, I brought him a sticker. I truly have
Speaker 1: like two Simpsons touts like fuck you. David Kratt like
Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you? Oh wow, yeah, fuck you. I
Speaker 1: hope someone in your life listens to this podcast and
Speaker 1: on site. Motherfucker. I can't wait to see you again.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you again. People don't realize
Speaker 1: it's like I am letting you act the way you're acting.
Speaker 1: I am letting you act this way and not ever.
Speaker 1: You should be so lucky that I am actually keeping
Speaker 1: it calm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm not going.
Speaker 3: To do this at a cancer charity event, but like
Speaker 3: on the street or else because I wanted to have
Speaker 3: fun at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have fun at playing poker for Norm McDonald.
Speaker 1: My first s and il I've ever watched was him
Speaker 1: behind the desk like yeah, I whatever, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: just had to.
Speaker 3: You wanted to have fun despite all the gauntlets he
Speaker 3: was throwing down for you, Jesus.
Speaker 2: And that's why he's on the pod.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just here to promote my special motherfucker this,
Speaker 1: which is like one of the biggest accomplishments of my
Speaker 1: fucking life.
Speaker 3: Why are you being a dick? Well, I hope that
Speaker 3: they did you get pictures? Did you get to?
Speaker 1: Oh? I tried on a Bucks NBA Championship ring. I
Speaker 1: woke up this morning looking at my Well, first I
Speaker 1: had to find out how I got home, like because
Speaker 1: then I then I'll I mean, I ate this plate.
Speaker 2: This looks amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean we're already like that's a horse radish cream
Speaker 1: on the piece of fucking niceess meat. But this is
Speaker 1: like a giant NBA ring that I was wearing. I guess,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, damn damn. But I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: made friends exchange numbers, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like I did at.
Speaker 3: You turn lemons into lemonade because but at the end of.
Speaker 1: The day, I wish I met him as a peer
Speaker 1: and not as a free or he's not my peer,
Speaker 1: but like I was just like a professional, normal person.
Speaker 2: I wish they I don't know, there's just.
Speaker 3: Yeah that you're like a pre like a pre warning
Speaker 3: being like she's a huge Simpsons fan, like you should
Speaker 3: work with her.
Speaker 1: Blah blah, blah. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I am I am nice. I let you get away
Speaker 1: with it. But like, oh yeah, let's meet up, let's
Speaker 1: meet up, next fest, next show, see you, I'll see you.
Speaker 3: Watch my prank. Stay tuned, wait, wait for my prank.
Speaker 3: Meet you at the crossroads, David Cross All right, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what if I end up stabbing like this?
Speaker 2: Is this becomes.
Speaker 1: I truly commit a car It's like, we just have
Speaker 1: one question for you. Why he just belittled my He
Speaker 1: fucked up my moment?
Speaker 2: Like, fucks up my moment? Whatever life goes on.
Speaker 1: I'm used to the indignities of being a performer, so
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 3: Oh well, we're gonna get started with the episode. Guys,
Speaker 3: go we have a new merch in the on the
Speaker 3: in the works. Thank you all for your suggestions, Thank
Speaker 3: you for all your suggestions. Many of you suggested that
Speaker 3: we make is that is this merch or is that
Speaker 3: merch merch? We did do that at the very beginning.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll roll it out again. Dumb bitch socks. I
Speaker 3: think we'll be coming later, will be coming next year,
Speaker 3: but we'll have something in time for holiday season that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be really fun. So I'm in Amsterdam today.
Speaker 1: And you're in Airdam than Dublin then London, so I
Speaker 1: you can still care if.
Speaker 3: You're in Amsterdam or you know a person who's in
Speaker 3: those four cities this week, shoot them the uh shoot
Speaker 3: them the schedule and uh that's messed up. Live dot
Speaker 3: com is where you can find Lisa's tour dates and
Speaker 3: our merch and everything, and let's get started.
Speaker 1: I also, at the end of the day, do like
Speaker 1: having fights with David Cross. You know what, It'll be
Speaker 1: good for my book because I am going to write
Speaker 1: a memoir and like Cat Cohen song, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it for the memoir and I'm going to make a
Speaker 1: whole book called Enemies, and I am going to name names.
Speaker 1: When I'm seventy and hopefully still relevant in my career,
Speaker 1: it's going to be I should start fucking worse people too.
Speaker 1: So there's some stories. Yeah, the Lisa trigger can't all
Speaker 1: be fights. There needs to be people. The sex is
Speaker 1: what sells. I think you have a you have some
Speaker 1: good ones already the same. No one's successful, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna care. I need to start trying to fuck some
Speaker 1: successful people.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, you need to get to like Chelsea Handler,
Speaker 3: the head of Netflix, something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, let's get you head of Hulus. Are they hot,
Speaker 1: Let's get to it. All right, let's start our show,
Speaker 1: all right. Probability of Doom.
Speaker 3: Uh this is a season twenty five. Would you say,
Speaker 3: did you used to play Doom? No mirror a computer?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Google it?
Speaker 1: It's it's it was like you had a gun and
Speaker 1: you kept put original so you could see the graphics
Speaker 1: I was working with, but you just kind of go
Speaker 1: in a thing and shoot stuff. But I played it
Speaker 1: on a giant computer. But I also had a code
Speaker 1: that you couldn't die, so I was just like I
Speaker 1: would just play it on stup and like not be
Speaker 1: able to die.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh my god.
Speaker 3: That's like when I found a broken ski ball machine
Speaker 3: recently at Chuckie Cheese that kept giving me.
Speaker 1: But I think they're coming out with a Doom movie.
Speaker 1: I think they are coming out with a Doom movie.
Speaker 2: Really, it's so confusing Doom Doom anyway, Oh it came
Speaker 2: out five, I should watch it. I used to love
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I'd never played that, but I definitely
Speaker 3: have heard of it. But this episode is called Probability
Speaker 3: of Doom. It's from season twenty five. It's episode seven.
Speaker 3: This baby came out, I mean March of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It feels like just yesterday. But they're taking us back
Speaker 3: to they're taking us back even farther to the two
Speaker 3: thousands because we open on a flashback from the episode
Speaker 3: nine to one to one, and it's funny because of
Speaker 3: color correction and all this shit. Now it's like when
Speaker 3: they're bouncing back and forth between this episode and the
Speaker 3: current episode, it's like, the color doesn't look different, Like
Speaker 3: the background maybe looks different, Marishka is a little bit younger,
Speaker 3: and the hair looks different, but like the you know,
Speaker 3: like when you used to look at an old sex
Speaker 3: in the city and you'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: what is this from a million years ago? Or like
Speaker 3: a if you looked at oc original season of Real Housewives,
Speaker 3: you'd be like, why is this filmed on a camcorder?
Speaker 3: But now I feel like they color correct everything and
Speaker 3: do everything like or I don't know what they're doing,
Speaker 3: but they're digitizing things in a way that it all
Speaker 3: looks perfect, So we're getting beautiful what feels like, Hi, Deef, Marishka.
Speaker 3: This is the episode she won the Emmy four. Many
Speaker 3: of you have requested this episode. We're not doing until
Speaker 3: we get Marishka on it. And this episode is the
Speaker 3: one where she's speaking to a little girl named Maria
Speaker 3: who's been abducted.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know where she is. It's dark all around her.
Speaker 3: It's like very It's very also a lot of the
Speaker 3: books that I read when I was like a tween,
Speaker 3: or like books where a girl's like locked in a
Speaker 3: room and all she has is a typewriter. But the
Speaker 3: next thing we see after this is twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: Olivia Benson and she's doing EMDR therapy, which I've never done,
Speaker 3: but I've heard about. And EMDR stands for eye movement,
Speaker 3: desensitization and reprocessing, and it's, according to Google, a trauma
Speaker 3: focused psychotherapy that helps process distressing memories by using guided
Speaker 3: eye movements, apping or sounds bilateral stimulation to stimulate both
Speaker 3: sides of the brain. It's kind of awkward watching her
Speaker 3: do it because she seems like she's like in pain,
Speaker 3: and it's like I'm always just like, let Olivia, you know,
Speaker 3: be happy. But she's obviously processing a lot of things
Speaker 3: and She's like recounting the Maria Rossino's case to her therapist.
Speaker 3: The therapist is like, what are you noticing in your body?
Speaker 3: And Benson's like, my body is thick, I feel pressure
Speaker 3: in my head.
Speaker 1: She's not comfortable.
Speaker 3: She said, I close the case, but I feel so
Speaker 3: uncomfortable now, And they're like, because of what she goes
Speaker 3: like all of life's little question marks. The writing on
Speaker 3: this episode's not my favorite, but listen, we're gonna We're
Speaker 3: gonna move on.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna find good things I like about it.
Speaker 3: She tells her therapist all about this case, how she
Speaker 3: was on a date the girl.
Speaker 2: This was a classic.
Speaker 3: Olivia does this most of this case in a full
Speaker 3: gorgeous dress that I believe Neil Beher talked to us about.
Speaker 3: I think it's like a Hugo Boss dress or something
Speaker 3: that he told us about. And wow, you think it's
Speaker 3: Hugo Boss he was telling us, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I thought that's what he said, Like it was like
Speaker 3: a like an expensive but like at the time, because
Speaker 3: that episode is if I think that episode season six,
Speaker 3: probably around two thousand and five or something, but I
Speaker 3: don't know, we'd have to go back and listen to
Speaker 3: the Neil Bear, one of.
Speaker 2: The Neil Bears.
Speaker 3: He tells us what where that dress is from that
Speaker 3: she's wearing in nine one one, And we really need
Speaker 3: to like make we need to do like roles of culture,
Speaker 3: except a comprehensive list of like all the little fact
Speaker 3: toods we've gotten because we forget them, and we've gotten
Speaker 3: great back toys about the show. We could write a
Speaker 3: full coffee table book. But the girl calls in. Everybody
Speaker 3: thinks it's a prank. Olivia stays on the phone with
Speaker 3: her all night. Right, Okay, So now we're cutting between
Speaker 3: this therapy session, the nine one one episode, and then
Speaker 3: Benson getting on her official uniform like tie, the little rainbow,
Speaker 3: the little rainbow stripes that go on the side, the hat.
Speaker 3: She you know, she's got a loose braid because she's
Speaker 3: getting ready for some kind of ceremony and it's the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four NYPD commencement ceremony of the police Academy.
Speaker 1: I guess like cadet graduation. So yeah, something ticks me
Speaker 1: out when I see Benson in her full uniform.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, she's a cop. I know we're like
Speaker 2: allowed for it.
Speaker 3: We allow it when she's wearing gorgeous like overcoats, you know,
Speaker 3: and like a little flare pant, but we're not really
Speaker 3: that down.
Speaker 2: Like the badge and the lad I'm like, well.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the one part about because I think
Speaker 3: all of us have thought to ourselves at one point,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, maybe I could be a detective,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, but first I'd have to wear
Speaker 3: a police uniform and like give out tickets, you know,
Speaker 3: before you get there.
Speaker 2: So that's always the tough part. You know.
Speaker 3: They've got Sharon Stone in episodes in her like uniform.
Speaker 2: Even all the.
Speaker 1: Hotties that have been on the show, they've been in
Speaker 1: that bad uniform. So anyway, Benson sits down, opens her program,
Speaker 1: and immediately her eyes fall on the name Maria Rossinos
Speaker 1: next to a photo of a grown woman who is
Speaker 1: graduating the police Academy and is winning a bunch of awards.
Speaker 1: She has like four awards next to her name, so uh.
Speaker 1: Then she sees her across the room and remembers pulling
Speaker 1: this girl like out of the literal ground and saving
Speaker 1: her life. It's like a very emotional thing for Benson.
Speaker 3: So then we cut to the precinct where Captain Curry
Speaker 3: is uh wowing Finn with a crumb cake.
Speaker 1: Like and he's kind of like he stops her. He's like,
Speaker 1: we're not there yet, and I guess like he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be buddy buddy with her because she's a
Speaker 1: captain And she's like, well, you can call me Renee
Speaker 1: if the captain part bothers you, and uh, we'll.
Speaker 3: Talk about it more. But Finn's really dogging her the
Speaker 3: whole episode. Uh, And then Velasco arrives. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is about Velasco. First of all, is he
Speaker 3: gone or what the new season I thought he got.
Speaker 1: I think they're like teeing him up to do something shady,
Speaker 1: like don't you feel like right now in the newest
Speaker 1: Yes season, like he's about to get in trouble for
Speaker 1: either hiding the guy, like something's about to come and
Speaker 1: get him out of there.
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna get shocked.
Speaker 3: Like in the last episode he has a I know
Speaker 3: you said you were needed to like rewatch because maybe
Speaker 3: you didn't, but did you see he has like a
Speaker 3: meet with some guy and then they never address it
Speaker 3: again the.
Speaker 2: Whole episode they're setting him up to be kicked out.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 3: I was literally googling it thinking it was like, I'm
Speaker 3: like so dumb.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I was like, oh, that was weird. They just
Speaker 1: didn't wrap that up. But obviously it's like a plant
Speaker 1: for something in the future. But sometimes he comes into
Speaker 1: scenes and I'm like, did his character get like more
Speaker 1: and more oafish like as time went on. He just
Speaker 1: comes in, He's like, hey, we gotta walk in this
Speaker 1: Lisa Miller Like he just sounds like such a dumb
Speaker 1: dumb and they're like, who is that? And they're like,
Speaker 1: she said she's going through a divorce, and they're like,
Speaker 1: did you get any any information what she's here for?
Speaker 1: And he goes, I don't know, it's anny questions and
Speaker 1: they're like maybe next time, buddy, Like it's just crazy,
Speaker 1: Like you're a detective and you're like deducing nothing.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: This woman we see in the background is very pregnant
Speaker 3: and she's walked into the SVU where famously we've discussed
Speaker 3: no one works at reception. You just have to kind
Speaker 3: of flag down a detective and tell the ma trauma
Speaker 3: that's happened to you. Curry tells Finn, Hey, let's work
Speaker 3: together on this one. So now in woodroom Blinds, Lisa
Speaker 3: is telling them her ex hired a lawyer and wants
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty custody of I'm assuming this baby that
Speaker 3: she's about to have. I don't think there's any other kid.
Speaker 3: Finn's like, and so where do we come in? Like
Speaker 3: why would we arrest him? And she's like, he's a pervert,
Speaker 3: and Curry, you know, starts pressing record on the recorder.
Speaker 1: She's like, I gotta get the shot.
Speaker 3: And then Lisa shows them a screenshot that she took
Speaker 3: on her phone and she's like, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get in trouble right for having this perverted photo on
Speaker 3: my phone because it's a screenshot of my husband's computer.
Speaker 3: And they're like, just give it, and so she shows them,
Speaker 3: and you know, it is season twenty five, and Finn
Speaker 3: is still saying kittie porn, but we obviously call it
Speaker 3: child sex abuse material. But I thought that they had
Speaker 3: sort of changed that in their language there, but they don't.
Speaker 3: And so she tells them my ex's name is Wayne Miller.
Speaker 3: He lives in Midtown in an airbnb. Okay, so now
Speaker 3: we're at the airbnb. We're looking for Wayne. He's thirty
Speaker 3: six and unemployed and a pedophile cool. Finn smashes in
Speaker 3: the door seemingly with just a heavy shoulder. I mean
Speaker 3: it's like barely any effort, and then he looks to
Speaker 3: Curry and goes, how's that for old school? I don't
Speaker 3: know why he's so obsessed with sticking it to her
Speaker 3: the whole episode, like it's it just keeps happening. But
Speaker 3: Finn does what is becoming his signature move, which is
Speaker 3: the first thing he does is go to the kitchen
Speaker 3: and touch the pot of coffee like that's We've now
Speaker 3: seen him do that in recent episodes a couple of times.
Speaker 3: And he goes, it's cold because we've seen him do it.
Speaker 3: We've seen him go it's hot. And then they know
Speaker 3: the guy just went out the window, so they're tearing
Speaker 3: the place apart, and then Belasco goes, I think I
Speaker 3: found him, and then Finn comes to like another room
Speaker 3: and yeah, you found him, dude. It's like a guy
Speaker 3: laid out in the on the floor and he's chopped
Speaker 3: into pieces that are wrapped in plastic, like it's very
Speaker 3: dexter coated, and I love to quote Tommy Boy New
Speaker 3: Guys pukin in the corner. Oh my god. Rene Curry
Speaker 3: is not able to hold it. She's like wretching. She
Speaker 3: can't handle this, Like, I don't know. This guy got murdered,
Speaker 3: chopped into pieces, then each piece wrapped in plastic, it
Speaker 3: seems like, and then the piece is reassembled on a
Speaker 3: plastic sheet on the ground. It's like a lot of
Speaker 3: layout for what seems like we don't know why, and
Speaker 3: I don't know that we ever find out, but anyway,
Speaker 3: there's a pool of blood and it's like this is
Speaker 3: not Dexter at all, because this Dexter keeps everything extremely
Speaker 3: neat and tidy, and this guy's like lying in a
Speaker 3: pool of blood. And then there's a wild cut from
Speaker 3: bagged body parts to the cadet graduation and everyone's cheering
Speaker 3: for the grads and Live is still looking at Maria.
Speaker 3: She tries to approach her, but she's all happy hugging
Speaker 3: her classmates. And then Live gets a phone call, you know, everything,
Speaker 3: and lives life is interrupted by a phone call and
Speaker 3: it's Finn with the news about this wild body situation.
Speaker 3: So she watches Maria walk away, swells like she may
Speaker 3: never see her again, and it's like, Babe, you work
Speaker 3: for the same company. You can literally look up her
Speaker 3: home address and fingerprints, like you can find her another time.
Speaker 2: So then we get to the credits.
Speaker 3: At the top of act one, Benson shows up to
Speaker 3: the crime scene in her full fancy get up like
Speaker 3: her still her formal duds and found and they're like,
Speaker 3: you just found the guy laid out on plastic sheeting,
Speaker 3: and Finn goes laid out like a broken puppet, and
Speaker 3: then where was he cut up in the bathtub? And
Speaker 3: then he rats out Curry for barfing, and then Liv
Speaker 3: is like, let's rule out the ex wife. I mean,
Speaker 3: anybody that thinks a pregnant woman is fully bone sawing
Speaker 3: somebody into multiple pieces and then bagging it all up
Speaker 3: and then going to the police. It's kind of a
Speaker 3: wild theory. But now I guess you have to always
Speaker 3: rule out the partner. So liv is talking to Curry,
Speaker 3: who is post ralph, putting on a brave face but
Speaker 3: looks a little bit upset. And what do we know
Speaker 3: about Wayne, Well, besides being a pedophile, he's a regular
Speaker 3: working class guy, except he's unemployed, so he's not work
Speaker 3: at all. Csu said only sign a forced entry was
Speaker 3: Finn knocking down the door.
Speaker 2: They're like signs of a struggle.
Speaker 3: And she's like with this, like how we can't tell
Speaker 3: what happened here, like but the emmy should have more information.
Speaker 3: So they go examine the bathtub, which is blood spattered
Speaker 3: like looks like right out of a horror movie. And
Speaker 3: it's Benson's like, this is a pre war building. Nobody
Speaker 3: heard anything, and no, the neighbors didn't hear anything, and
Speaker 3: Live says, well, we could punt it to homicide, and
Speaker 3: Curry's kind of like, would you think less of me
Speaker 3: if I said I don't want to do that, Like
Speaker 3: I think she wants to keep the case, maybe to
Speaker 3: challenge herself because she keeps puking.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Curry says, maybe the purpose like one of his victims
Speaker 3: grown up, or the parent of a victim, and Benson goes,
Speaker 3: that's a bit of a leap, don't you think Like
Speaker 3: some petos like never touch anyone. They just they don't
Speaker 3: escalate past the photos. And Curry's like, yeah, but look
Speaker 3: at this crime. A lot of rage here and Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but rage killers don't really bring tools I see depersonal
Speaker 3: as the like I, you know, I see someone who
Speaker 3: wanted to like get this person off the planet. And
Speaker 3: she's like, and break them down to their parts. And
Speaker 3: she says, no, wonder homicide punted this to us, cause
Speaker 3: you know, we all know SVU gets more in people's heads,
Speaker 3: gets more. They're more criminal mind y, I would say
Speaker 3: than uh than a regular homicide, and lives like, let's
Speaker 3: go talk to the ex. Her reaction will tell us everything.
Speaker 3: And so now we're talking to the X and she
Speaker 3: shook like she can't believe that. She's like he's been
Speaker 3: cut up, Like what the fuck? I just wanted you
Speaker 3: to arrest him so we couldn't be near my kid,
Speaker 3: and who would do this? And she's like, well, it's
Speaker 3: someone who wants to delete him, to like break him
Speaker 3: down to his parts. And the wife is like, it's
Speaker 3: wasn't me, and Live wonders. She's like, you think I
Speaker 3: came to like report to you today, like after I
Speaker 3: did this, and Lives like, well, it's what we call
Speaker 3: a performative alibi. And I like that phrase. I'd never
Speaker 3: heard that before. Performative alibi. Like we've seen people come
Speaker 3: in and be like oh my god, this thing happen
Speaker 3: in there fully the purp right, So she can't believe
Speaker 3: I is always full of learning, Yeah, show up steps
Speaker 3: with the lessons, and so many things can be performative.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't any in an alibi, you know,
Speaker 3: So she cannot believe they're accusing her. She's like, hello,
Speaker 3: I like em. She looks like she's eight months pregnant.
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't even see blood. I'm so squeamish.
Speaker 3: Curry's like, maybe you hired someone. She goes, I'm a
Speaker 3: substitute teacher at a public middle school. I can't afford
Speaker 3: a car, much less a hitman. And it's like that's
Speaker 3: all it takes for them to be like, okay, we
Speaker 3: believe you. Now anyone who hates Wayne or had a
Speaker 3: beef with him. And she's like, I wouldn't know besides
Speaker 3: our custody beef, Like, but we spoke through a mediator.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, well, when did you first find this?
Speaker 3: The child sex abuse images, that's one.
Speaker 1: Of my favorite inventions that I didn't know about, like
Speaker 1: the fact that if you're in custody stuff that you
Speaker 1: can use an app and like the lawyers and courts
Speaker 1: and everyone sees all your communication.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that only creat in the app.
Speaker 1: So then like no one can be lying or switching
Speaker 1: things around, and if someone's acting crazy, it's it's sent
Speaker 1: to the courts. Yeah, because people be lying and we
Speaker 1: need these kids safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then also like you would hope that it's
Speaker 2: kind of monitored.
Speaker 3: If somebody starts making threats, you can like get you know,
Speaker 3: restraining orders, like a lot of times for restraining orders
Speaker 3: and shit like that. You got to like build a case.
Speaker 3: But if it's like all there in the app, like,
Speaker 3: hopefully it's a quicker process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I knew someone that needed evidence, so instead
Speaker 1: of blocking someone, they let them continue messaging. So then
Speaker 1: there was paper trail because if you just block someone,
Speaker 1: they can get to you in other ways, at least
Speaker 1: this way, like you're seeing them.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: It's just what this person.
Speaker 3: Did and it's technological rather than finding you in real life. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: well she she says she first found these child sex
Speaker 3: abuse images a few months back, and it's like, why
Speaker 3: didn't you say anything then? And she's like, I came
Speaker 3: in today because I'm doing a month. I didn't want
Speaker 3: the stress to affect the baby. It's like, at this point, Babe,
Speaker 3: the baby's cooked, Like you should have ported this.
Speaker 2: Right away that I feel like you can trademark that
Speaker 2: that's you. The baby's cooked.
Speaker 1: The baby is cooked is definitely very care. That's like
Speaker 1: a Cara statement at eight months. I mean it could
Speaker 1: come out.
Speaker 2: It was just like you and a hot tub.
Speaker 3: If I had had my kids at eight months, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been nine pounds, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 3: They would have been normal size.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm me in a hot tub trying to
Speaker 1: dip myself in and out. But she's like, listen, he
Speaker 1: promised to stop, and I believed him. So it's like
Speaker 1: she confronts at Amy said he'd stop.
Speaker 3: I don't know when the divorce came in, Like but uh,
Speaker 3: She's like, so you don't know anyone who would want
Speaker 3: to kill Darling Wayne, this beautiful, uh seeming man.
Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was married to a pedophile, So I guess my
Speaker 3: radar's a bit out of whack, Like I don't really
Speaker 3: trust myself. So that's a rap on Lisa, and I
Speaker 3: did enjoy her, uh, this guy has uh when they
Speaker 3: when they go through his computer, this guy has it's
Speaker 3: a wrap for Lisa.
Speaker 2: Sis episode wrap on Lisa.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 3: Can I just get your picture with Marishka and head out.
Speaker 3: They're going to take you to sign your paperwork.
Speaker 1: Well, I won't give much away, but I did meet
Speaker 1: someone on the street. I mean Karen's but I met
Speaker 1: someone on the street that's going to be a guest
Speaker 1: who is in an episode. But they just started raving
Speaker 1: about Marishka like it happens in real life too. I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. They were just like she's the best,
Speaker 1: she did this and that, like out of nowhere, just
Speaker 1: on the street talking and I know, yeah, you're like
Speaker 1: number two eighty nine, Like, yeah, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: have you on the pods.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like her and Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3: I feel like that have kind of like unimpeachable reputations
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, I can't think of, like
Speaker 3: who else does everybody always say is amazing?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of gonna say something crazy. I feel like
Speaker 1: Dolly is in another I wouldn't even put them together. Really,
Speaker 1: I think Dolly's up. I think Dolly is different. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Dolly is like a godlike figure. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The amount of money she gives, the amount of money.
Speaker 3: She just gives to other people, like people are like
Speaker 3: Marushka buys the crew presence wonderful. She like gives books
Speaker 3: to children and like pay for all of her employees.
Speaker 1: Don't have to compare women, Yeah, no I do.
Speaker 3: I'm breaking down my own comparison that I was putting
Speaker 3: them in the same category. They're both amazing, but I
Speaker 3: think Dolly is kind of like on another stratosphere.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's what you said, god like.
Speaker 1: But I love I mean maursh I admire. There's just
Speaker 1: something I wonder if it's the music and like Mrshka's
Speaker 1: playing this character and we only see bits of her,
Speaker 1: and Dolly is Dolly, I don't know. I uh, it's
Speaker 1: like she like solved literacy in her town, just like
Speaker 1: it's she funded the vaccine. It's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she gave Whitney the song that changed the course of
Speaker 1: the world. Like I don't know, small like her lessons,
Speaker 1: the way she took the way people talks about her
Speaker 1: body and her everything, and like so herself and I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, and I'm not even a huge job.
Speaker 1: I've never seen her live. I don't have any Dolly
Speaker 1: on my iTunes, Like I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't know Dollie. I love the music.
Speaker 3: She's so good, she has amazing her voice is like
Speaker 3: she's so great.
Speaker 1: She's bish and it means more. But it feels wrong
Speaker 1: to compare anyone to Dolly. Yeah, yeah, I just I guess.
Speaker 3: I just mean in terms of, like you'll still get
Speaker 3: like an anonymous domoi of someone being like Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 3: wasn't nice one time, and I just feel like we
Speaker 3: barely we never get that on those two, just in
Speaker 3: terms of people's perception of them. Okay, so Terru's going
Speaker 3: through this Pedophiles I'm gonna go right from Dolly into
Speaker 3: Terru's going through this pedophiles computer. They've got hundreds of images.
Speaker 3: They're all untraceable. It sounds like this guy's a collector.
Speaker 3: But then they find half a dozen pictures that this
Speaker 3: guy took with his own phone, and they'reof some girl
Speaker 3: in the back of a car, and they're pg she's
Speaker 3: just sitting there like smiling, you know, and they're from
Speaker 3: the past few months. So Live is like, get these
Speaker 3: to Nickmick and get them to real time crime. I
Speaker 3: did not know what real time crime was, and so
Speaker 3: I googled it because I haven't heard them mention that
Speaker 3: in the show before. And in two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: NYPD launched a real time Crime center that are also
Speaker 3: called rtccs in two thousand and five, and it's basically
Speaker 3: an integrated tech hub that NYPD uses to solve crimes
Speaker 3: like that are happening, like unfolding I think at the
Speaker 3: moment or whatever. So I don't know, it seems like
Speaker 3: it's kind of like using technology to you know. Probably
Speaker 3: they use something like this for like Luigi, you know,
Speaker 3: like forming different units around the city trying to find
Speaker 3: not that it was him, but you know, whoever did
Speaker 3: the shooting, you know, something like. I think that's what
Speaker 3: they use these real time crime centers for. And I
Speaker 3: think they exist in other cities as well, But I've
Speaker 3: never heard them say real time crime.
Speaker 2: So that's that Live clocks at.
Speaker 3: The upholstery on the car in the photos is vinyl,
Speaker 3: so it looks like a vintage car. And then Finn
Speaker 3: is like, huh, I remember seeing an old Plymouth Fury
Speaker 3: parked outside of Miller's Airbnb, and uh, they're like, get
Speaker 3: the car towed to NYPD live in Creer, are going
Speaker 3: to go take a look see And Finn's like, you
Speaker 3: don't get carsick, do you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: He is just hazing this woman the whole episode.
Speaker 3: And I would think he was flirting if he wasn't
Speaker 3: like officially unmarried to Phoebe, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like he seems like he's in a I would think
Speaker 3: he was flirting with Curry with all this, like he's
Speaker 3: just ribbing or NonStop. I've never really seen him like, no,
Speaker 3: he hates someone like this, Like the way him and
Speaker 3: Belser used to talk to each other was different or munch,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: And even with Rollins, You're right, this is is it?
Speaker 1: Because she came in with a high rank right away?
Speaker 1: Like did she come in from the high guys upstairs?
Speaker 1: Like she's not some rookie, No, she's a captain. She's
Speaker 1: literally the same level as Live But she came from
Speaker 1: I A B. And she just liked that there, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that's why he's just like,
Speaker 1: oh this iab you know what I mean, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I kind of rat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's because she's rat squad a little bit,
Speaker 3: even though we feel, like John robert Birth is what
Speaker 3: we should call our people, the rats, the rat squads,
Speaker 3: the rat squad.
Speaker 2: But that's iab like, that's what those guys.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's so funny. The rat squad is
Speaker 1: so funny. I have to remember that.
Speaker 3: But we like the rat squad if they're doing the
Speaker 3: right thing because cops are doing shady shit, if we've
Speaker 3: not covered a million episodes where cops are being terrible,
Speaker 3: like we do need them. So anyway, I thought we
Speaker 3: got to a place of liking them okay with John
Speaker 3: John Roberts, but I.
Speaker 1: Think that's what I mean, Like, I think she's coming
Speaker 1: in with rank and so it's like, how dare you
Speaker 1: be a captain and your I a b you're puking
Speaker 1: on the job, like humiliating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she brought a cake.
Speaker 3: I think maybe he feels like she's trying too hard
Speaker 3: or something because he needs to leave her lash like
Speaker 3: people like to bring cakes. Yeah, she's trying to get
Speaker 3: you guys to like her. What's the problem. Don't make
Speaker 3: her work so fucking hard for it. But anyway, so
Speaker 3: I do like Curry. I like Curry as a character.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they're keeping her.
Speaker 1: I do too. I'm like, so I was really happy
Speaker 1: to see her. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, at the garage, it is a nineteen fifty
Speaker 3: nine Plymouth fury good eye Finn also a car guy
Speaker 3: we didn't know, and it's Wayne Miller's cards registered to him.
Speaker 3: And the guy at the garage live goes what's your
Speaker 3: name and he goes Brendan Chestnut. She Lived goes, you
Speaker 3: look like you're not even old enough to drive. Then
Speaker 3: she goes, you get under there yet, Chestnut, and he's
Speaker 3: like it was about too, and she goes, you were
Speaker 3: about to, Like she's just really trolling this young dude.
Speaker 3: And then uh, no, back, no, patience, no, She's like,
Speaker 3: little boy, get out of my way. She ties her
Speaker 3: hair back and gets her ass on one of those
Speaker 3: roly things that go under the cars, and she's got
Speaker 3: a flashlight. I don't think i've ever seen live do this,
Speaker 3: like get underneath the car. She's underneath the car, rolling
Speaker 3: around and then she bam finds a tracker that is
Speaker 3: truly slap in the middle of the muffler. I feel
Speaker 3: like it is like right there, easy to see, and
Speaker 3: there's just a tracker magnetized to the bottom of the car.
Speaker 3: So back at the squad, Finn reports that Terru reports
Speaker 3: that the tracker was activated at a public park in
Speaker 3: kIPS Bay, which is like extremely close to Wayne's apartment,
Speaker 3: Airbnb whatevervelasco is pulling up parks department footage, which I
Speaker 3: didn't really know that New York had that much CCTV.
Speaker 3: That's a very British thing that there's CCTV everywhere, And
Speaker 3: it's like, does New.
Speaker 1: York have that everywhere? It's not something I ever they do.
Speaker 1: Nine eleven the most surveilled place in the world.
Speaker 4: I bet no.
Speaker 3: I know, like subway stations and stuff like that. I
Speaker 3: just I've never noticed it in like outdoor playgrounds and
Speaker 3: parks and stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to notice this city is. That's why.
Speaker 1: That's why I like they're using it to like probably
Speaker 1: get immigrants. They were trying to get tear. It's like
Speaker 1: for racial profile. It's like psycho stuff.
Speaker 3: Awful, awful anyway, they I don't know how they did.
Speaker 2: I also like that we're being so I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like I know the quote like if you're willing
Speaker 1: to give up free like liberty for security or'll get
Speaker 1: neither or something like that. Yeah, so I understand, but
Speaker 1: I like, back, that's big brother shit. It is no,
Speaker 1: but it's true, like we should not be like followed
Speaker 1: everywhere people with cameras in the house like whatever. But
Speaker 1: I like when there's footage like if you don't have
Speaker 1: a security camera and the crime was committed, I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking pissed. What do you mean it's not a
Speaker 1: real camera, Like people are committing crimes at all times.
Speaker 2: We need cameras everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the thing I like about when
Speaker 3: I watch British crime shows and stuff is like they
Speaker 3: have they use CCTV so much, they have so much
Speaker 3: there they are surveilled. But they also like the cops.
Speaker 3: Half the cops don't even carry guns. I don't think
Speaker 3: and like and people don't have guns. No cops are matter,
Speaker 3: but they don't have guns.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know anyway, Velasco is pulling up the Parks
Speaker 3: Department footage, which I guess they figured out like the
Speaker 3: park near the day that this tracker went live, and
Speaker 3: they're looking at that day and he's somehow zoomed in
Speaker 3: on a video of Wayne on a park bench talking
Speaker 3: to a teen girl, but it's not the girl from
Speaker 3: the photos. So meanwhile, Curry is hanging up the phone.
Speaker 3: A nine one one call just came in from a
Speaker 3: woman who found her husband body parts laid out on
Speaker 3: a plastic sheet.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. You know what else I want to
Speaker 1: say about Curry? An easy name to remember. Thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you Curry. It's easy I remember. At one time,
Speaker 1: It's all I needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, uh, now they've caught this other case, So what's
Speaker 3: going on? So they go to the home of Gary Turner.
Speaker 3: It's in the East Village homicides already cleared out. But
Speaker 3: the UNI who meets them there is Officer Eddie Montero
Speaker 3: played by Eddie hargatea Marishka's cousin who's in seven different episodes.
Speaker 3: We've talked about him before, from seasons nineteen to twenty five.
Speaker 3: She peppers him into different episodes. I went to his
Speaker 3: IMDb and he's got a upcoming credit that says rumored.
Speaker 3: I'd never seen that before on IMDb, where it says rumored.
Speaker 3: But the thing he was rumored to be on was
Speaker 3: something called Law and Order Hate Crimes, and Muldoon was
Speaker 3: in it too, that guy that was like the yeah
Speaker 3: we liked meldoone, right.
Speaker 2: I liked yeah. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think that rumored shit just gets put up
Speaker 3: there and it sits there for years. Like I don't
Speaker 3: know if I don't know if Law and Order Hate
Speaker 3: Crimes is like an actual thing that's happening.
Speaker 2: But I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it is maybe Eddie Mund maybe
Speaker 3: it's Eddie Hargatay's big break, but yeah, this is her cousin.
Speaker 3: So when they get toward the body, everyone is covering
Speaker 3: their nose, except for Finn. He's too hardcore for that.
Speaker 3: It's really reminded me of Silence of the Lambs. Of
Speaker 3: course everything does, and Curry is about to hurl again,
Speaker 3: and Finn brings her to the kitchen. He puts a
Speaker 3: frying pan on the stove, turns on the burner, and
Speaker 3: then pours coffee beans into it, and it starts like simmering, smokey.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna make that apartment like smell like coffee beans,
Speaker 3: I think is already a neutralizing smell. And so it's
Speaker 3: like a good move, and he's like old school again.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: He keeps saying old school. I don't know if like
Speaker 3: this he doesn't like she's new school.
Speaker 2: I don't really know.
Speaker 3: Maybe they had an argument in an earlier episode about
Speaker 3: old school and I don't remember it, but this is
Speaker 3: the second time he's bringing it up.
Speaker 2: Gary Turner.
Speaker 3: This guy was in his sixties, a retired hedge fund guy,
Speaker 3: lost half his clients when he was put on the
Speaker 3: registry for sex abuse of a minor. So Curry suddenly
Speaker 3: yells for Benson, and which is crazy? This man his
Speaker 3: wife was on a business trip for a week. It's like,
Speaker 3: you're still married to a woman who goes out and
Speaker 3: does business for a week, and you're a sex offender.
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. Curry suddenly, I don't what
Speaker 2: do you mean?
Speaker 3: The guy who they found the body, his wife was
Speaker 3: gone on a business trip, found him, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: your husband's on the sex registry. You're still living with
Speaker 3: him and going to work to support him, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, but does she know he's on the registry? You think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the registry.
Speaker 3: He lost half his clients because he's on the sex
Speaker 3: Abes registry obviously went to court. You know you think
Speaker 3: he maybe married a woman and she didn't know about it,
Speaker 3: like married or later or a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't worse people want to marry people off court.
Speaker 1: People say he'll stay married. Yeah, Like I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know, because you can explain everything. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a bit, or this happened or that was a lot,
Speaker 1: yeah she was nineteen yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then Curry suddenly yells for Benson and she's
Speaker 3: like and she found another tracker.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think on.
Speaker 3: A bike or something, and and they're like, do you
Speaker 3: know what this means and lives, Like I sure do.
Speaker 3: We're looking for a cereal who goes after child predators.
Speaker 3: So again, very dexter Finn is now visiting Truman, who
Speaker 3: is the emmy in some of these I don't know
Speaker 3: why we can't just stay with Melinda. I love her,
Speaker 3: But this guy is like this sort of like nerdy
Speaker 3: medical examiner who's like, uh, just he's just got both
Speaker 3: these bodies laid out on his tables and he's just
Speaker 3: jig sawing them, like trying to figure out the putting
Speaker 3: them back together, and it's really gross, and he's like,
Speaker 3: cause of death is blunt forced trauma to the head
Speaker 3: for both of them. Turner died over a week ago
Speaker 3: when his wife left for her business trip. Uh, and
Speaker 3: Wayne was only dead twelve hours before he was found.
Speaker 3: So Truman said, this guy is sick. He fetishized his
Speaker 3: post mortem punishment. He played with the bodies. Lusco goes,
Speaker 3: so it's like someone else I know, and Truman's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not laughing, like it's not funny.
Speaker 2: And then what was the joke.
Speaker 1: The joke is that he's a medical examiner, so he
Speaker 1: plays with dead bodies. Oh, that's his little job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a dumb dumb so I didn't even get it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking dumber than Velasco. Well, because it's like he's
Speaker 1: not playing with them, he's his professional job.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you're thinking. It's like, no, it's
Speaker 3: just like it's stupid anyway. So, especially like in a
Speaker 3: post Rudnick world, let's not make it out like an
Speaker 3: Emmy is a murderer.
Speaker 2: That's not that long ago.
Speaker 3: So next we're seeing so many of these nasty body
Speaker 3: parts and I'm like, not okay with it. This is
Speaker 3: a network television show. It's just like too much gross
Speaker 3: decomped bodies that have been cut in half, and they
Speaker 3: were made with the cuts were made with a striated
Speaker 3: forward cutting action saw blade nine inches bimetal, maybe a
Speaker 3: jab saw.
Speaker 1: I don't know what these different saws are.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be easy to knock out a grown
Speaker 3: man or cut through a bone with a handsaw, so
Speaker 3: the killer must be strong, which I think is like
Speaker 3: an interesting thing to even say, because I think most
Speaker 3: of the time they're already calling the guy a man, right,
Speaker 3: and we're never really talking about the strength of different perpse.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's in there for later, but I'll
Speaker 3: talk about it later. So Fin gets a call from
Speaker 3: Live that they got an id on the girl from
Speaker 3: the back of car. So cut to the girl and
Speaker 3: she's alive. She's there, and she ideas Wayne from a
Speaker 3: picture and goes, yeah, that's the photographer with a nice car.
Speaker 3: He wanted me to be a model, And like, I'm
Speaker 3: sure this girl is like very cute, this actress, but
Speaker 3: they have her dress to be like it's you're not
Speaker 3: going to really get scouted on the street to be
Speaker 3: a model. This girl like she's got like dishwater hair.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not seeing model. I'm not seeing model.
Speaker 3: I'm being a jerk, but I'm not seeing the wow.
Speaker 3: And yeah, sorry, I don't. I don't see this mising.
Speaker 1: And there's a classic New York broad is with this
Speaker 1: girl and it's her MoMA okay, and she's like, did
Speaker 1: this man touch my daughter?
Speaker 3: You can arrest and they're like, well we can't. He's
Speaker 3: been murdered. And she goes, well, life's the number one
Speaker 3: cause a death. And I love that life is the
Speaker 3: number one cause of death. How have we never heard
Speaker 3: of I mean, maybe that's merch. Life's the number one
Speaker 3: cause of death, Like.
Speaker 2: Like we can't do it inst quo. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's in spirain.
Speaker 1: No, but it's like it's such, it's something to think about.
Speaker 1: And that mom has seen some shit. She's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm from She's like, I'm from Hunt's point. I'm filling
Speaker 1: in the blanks, like she knows that Wayne Miller was
Speaker 1: a pedophile, and her daughter keeps being like, Mom, what blanks?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: She does not understand, like what's even being implied here
Speaker 3: that her daughter got away so by the skin of
Speaker 3: her teeth of getting molested by this guy, because I
Speaker 3: guess maybe he was just taking the pictures because as
Speaker 3: far as we know, this guy hasn't actually touched anybody yet.
Speaker 2: He's just he just wants he just like wants to.
Speaker 3: We feel like he's escalating past the photos, and Nora says, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: we met on this app called k dome, and we
Speaker 3: find out that k doome started out as a messaging
Speaker 3: app for ketamine delivery, but it has grown, it has blossomed,
Speaker 3: one would say, into Craigslist for bottom feeders. It's where
Speaker 3: kids buy party drugs, and apparently it's where fucking perverts
Speaker 3: get on there to try to lure kids, probably with
Speaker 3: drugs and other kinds of shit like that. So both
Speaker 3: Wayne and Gary Turner had to counts on KATO. I'm
Speaker 3: wondering if that's based on something real, like is there
Speaker 3: a ketamine delivery app at home ketamine therapy? No, I
Speaker 3: mean it's like it's kind of like only when it's medicinal.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course I don't think this would be googleable,
Speaker 3: but whatever. So anyway back to where that's a dark web.
Speaker 3: I don't think you could just come up in the
Speaker 3: app store.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Curry is like, well, we should see if Wayne
Speaker 3: and Gary had any other overlap in their lives, and
Speaker 3: Benson's like, well, Teraru will be able to tell you.
Speaker 3: So now lives in the break room and she's looking
Speaker 3: at an old newspaper clipping of the Maria Rasino's case
Speaker 3: okay from the nine to one one episode, and Finn's like, oh,
Speaker 3: taking a walk down memory lane, and she goes, it's
Speaker 3: not memories, it's life's little question marks. And I just like,
Speaker 3: I just don't know why this life's little question marks
Speaker 3: is bothering me, because now you've said it two times.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like something that live would just like say, like,
Speaker 3: it seems like something from a hover What is it? Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't what. She seems like she
Speaker 3: speaks more transparently than this. This is like somebody who's
Speaker 3: like reading like inspirational quotes off Pinterest, Like I don't
Speaker 3: get it, like life, and like Finn's like, well, I
Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care.
Speaker 3: He immediately launches into more information about the case.
Speaker 2: He doesn't ask her, what do you mean like little
Speaker 2: question mark?
Speaker 3: He goes anyway, So we found another overlap with these
Speaker 3: two pavotophiles, Gary and Wayne. They were both on Katome
Speaker 3: chatting up a user named previous Yam.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is a reference to, but
Speaker 1: that's what it's. The name is.
Speaker 3: They trace the the IP to Mott Haven, a section
Speaker 3: of the Bronx, to someone named James Brock, wife is deceased,
Speaker 3: two daughters, Tory and Nina, and liv says, let's vest
Speaker 3: up and pay him a visit. So up in Motthaven
Speaker 3: in the Bronx, there's snow on the ground, and they
Speaker 3: bang on the front door of this house and the
Speaker 3: front door kind of is just open, like the people inside.
Speaker 3: We hear them laughing, and the front door is unlocked
Speaker 3: and they just let themselves in. And I guess these
Speaker 3: two people laughing did not hear cops banging on their door.
Speaker 3: And we see the two girls stand up. They're James
Speaker 3: Brook's daughters, and Nina is the younger one, she's the
Speaker 3: girl from the video in the park talking to Wayne,
Speaker 3: and the older sister's like, she's not answering any of
Speaker 3: your questions, like you have to come back when our
Speaker 3: dad's home and this is Tory, okay, and she's like,
Speaker 3: we don't have to do Coury.
Speaker 1: Is the name of the past that I think needs
Speaker 1: to come to the future.
Speaker 2: Tory. I like that name.
Speaker 3: Remember on Saved by the Bell when that was like
Speaker 3: Zach's love interest. After Kelly Kapowski was off the show,
Speaker 3: they brought in a girl named Tory and she was
Speaker 3: like a cool motorcycle babe.
Speaker 1: And then there was Tory spelling. Yeah what I'm binging about,
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was.
Speaker 3: Also on Saved by the Bell. Also on Say by
Speaker 3: the Bell love interest for Screech. Oh, yeah, she was
Speaker 3: a nerd.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You were such a Save by the bellhead. I was huge,
Speaker 1: huge in to Say by the Bell. She was a
Speaker 1: nerd named Violence.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, I loved it so much. I
Speaker 1: watched it.
Speaker 2: I even watched that were you Zach or Mario Lopez?
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, for a while, I think for a
Speaker 3: while I was ac Slater just because everybody liked Zach
Speaker 3: and I was trying to be different. But now that
Speaker 3: I'm older, I like don't find Mario Lopez. He's not
Speaker 3: my cup of tea.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I sort of liked that Ac Slater was a good dancer.
Speaker 2: He really was.
Speaker 1: He was a great dancer.
Speaker 3: And I watched The New Class I mean I was
Speaker 3: fully sold.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it, but I think it was too
Speaker 1: like it was it's a blur to me, it's a blur.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like they go to the I mean, I
Speaker 3: know when. That's honestly how Leo Remedy came into my consciousness.
Speaker 3: She was Stacy Krosi Zach Zach Morris's love interest when
Speaker 3: they worked at a beach club. You know, I was
Speaker 3: really into say by the Bee. So anyway, Tory was
Speaker 3: a big character. And Tory yeah short for Victoria.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say most of the time, Oh that's
Speaker 1: news to me. Well, Victoria is a name that's still
Speaker 1: I think holding strong. Yeah to me, my brain goes Vicky. Oh,
Speaker 1: but that's a very specific to be a Vicky.
Speaker 2: I knew a Vick.
Speaker 3: My sister's roommate in college was Vicky. Yeah, and we
Speaker 3: were always like and she was such a Vicky. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's Vicky's a real choice. I mean,
Speaker 3: but then I think Vicky Gombolson is very different than
Speaker 3: another Vicky.
Speaker 1: Vicky I knew was an ice skater. Okay, still till
Speaker 1: this day. That family. This is like a friend from
Speaker 1: high school, junior hig high school. The worst behaved dog,
Speaker 1: I've one of the worst we have dogs I've ever met.
Speaker 1: This my little guy, this little friend like this Sinceio
Speaker 1: was a terror like truly I had fear from this
Speaker 1: little guy like we he had to be grab like rabid,
Speaker 1: truly psychopath. Oh my graced, everyone was terrorized by this dog.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I'm assuming, I'm assuming he's no longer
Speaker 3: with us if it was from junior high.
Speaker 1: Now the dog's dead, and yeah, she married a hawk guy.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're still together.
Speaker 3: Do you think that was just the dog was just
Speaker 3: like they just weren't training it, like or the dog
Speaker 3: was so traumatized it was never gonna get better.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I was not like privy to
Speaker 1: like dog behavior at the time, Like I didn't know
Speaker 1: the reason, and you know, it was a pre Caesar
Speaker 1: Milan world. I feel like where people started like yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just.
Speaker 2: Like why, Like I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I've not met a dog since, like such complete chaos,
Speaker 1: like a cartoon, like a like if there was an anxious,
Speaker 1: nervous street dog in a cartoon, would be this guy
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like if somebody had that dog today,
Speaker 3: that dog would be on like lexapro. It would be
Speaker 3: like on dog anxiety meds. Like my sister's dog's on
Speaker 3: anxiety meds. Anyway, They're like, you have to come talk
Speaker 3: to us, and she's like, we don't have to do
Speaker 3: I think she says Diddley squat, which okay, and lives
Speaker 3: like okay, but your sister is like a baby, so
Speaker 3: we have to call CPS, like and she's like, well,
Speaker 3: she's not.
Speaker 1: Going anywhere without me.
Speaker 3: So they walk out of the house with the cops
Speaker 3: and now liv is giving the is giving careesy the rundown.
Speaker 3: Nina thirteen a really good kid, a straight A student.
Speaker 3: Tory is twenty one, got her GEDI at sixteen, works
Speaker 3: maintenance at a building in Midtown. They said that their
Speaker 3: dad is on a job in Atlantic City and the
Speaker 3: cops have been trying to reach him but they can't,
Speaker 3: so maybe he's on the run. And Velasco and career
Speaker 3: are interviewing Nina asking about Wayne, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that guy was really weird. I was waiting for Tory
Speaker 3: because we were going to go to a movie nearby,
Speaker 3: and this guy waved at me like he knew me
Speaker 3: and then sat next to me on the bench, asked
Speaker 3: me about school and said he had condoms in his pocket,
Speaker 3: which is gross, which is how we know Wayne has
Speaker 3: now officially yes escalated past. He was like, well, I
Speaker 3: don't know if he was like waiting for the divorce
Speaker 3: and now he's like, okay, now I can finally molest
Speaker 3: teens like he seems. Also, he's extremely pale, like they
Speaker 3: definitely cast this person being like you will make a
Speaker 3: freaky looking pedophile on CCTV footage. She said that she
Speaker 3: went and told Tory about what happened with this guy
Speaker 3: coming up to her on the bench, and Tory told
Speaker 3: her a lot of guys are like that, and that
Speaker 3: I have good instincts and I should trust my instincts.
Speaker 3: And they're like, what do you know about the k
Speaker 3: doome map? And Nina's like, I do not know what
Speaker 3: the KDO map is and I do not recognize this
Speaker 3: other guy Gary.
Speaker 1: When they show a picture of Gary.
Speaker 3: So now in another room, Careesian Benson are talking to
Speaker 3: Tory and she They're like, when did you last talk
Speaker 3: to your dad? And she's like, uh, yesterday. He's on
Speaker 3: a long job. I'm not sure when he's going to
Speaker 3: be back. He's in Atlantic City installing like twenty five
Speaker 3: hundred lights on a casino or something like that. James
Speaker 3: Brock left the building maintenance to Tory, like, I guess
Speaker 3: his company runs maintenance on a building and Tory's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I went to trade school, so I covered I do
Speaker 3: the maintenance now. And she says he comes home every
Speaker 3: other weekend or so. They're like, okay, what does that
Speaker 3: look like?
Speaker 2: What do you guys do? Oh?
Speaker 3: We go to Lento's Pizza, order a picture of a beer,
Speaker 3: or order a picture of beer. He bitches about his
Speaker 3: bad back, and then she says she never told her
Speaker 3: dad about the Wayne situation with Nina because you know,
Speaker 3: didn't want to get him bent out of shape. And
Speaker 3: she's never heard of the ktome app and Nina would
Speaker 3: not be on that app, and she doesn't know why
Speaker 3: her dad would be either, and lives like, well, didn't
Speaker 3: you just say he has a bad back like it's
Speaker 3: a full drug site and you know that's that. So
Speaker 3: now the gang is trying to piece together a theory.
Speaker 3: James Brock went on Katome to find the guy who
Speaker 3: approached his daughter with a pocket full of condoms.
Speaker 2: Velasco comes in with some news.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: They found James Brock's car and it was towed to
Speaker 3: an impound lot six weeks ago, and so the near
Speaker 3: near a river is where it was found, and they
Speaker 3: found the guy's phone in the trunk of the car.
Speaker 3: So they go to search the Hudson River and Finn says, well,
Speaker 3: we finally tracked down the boss at that hotel job
Speaker 3: that he really was on a hotel job, but it
Speaker 3: was all wrapped up and he was supposed to be
Speaker 3: headed home a while ago. So he had told the
Speaker 3: boss that his daughter Tory needed him. So the search
Speaker 3: dogs and all their human handlers have found something. And
Speaker 3: Flasko's like looks look body pots and now we're warning.
Speaker 2: Cry really hating him more than you ever have.
Speaker 3: His accent gets like more exaggerated where he sounds like
Speaker 3: a dumb dumb like more in some of these episodes.
Speaker 3: He never bothered me before, but now with that I'm
Speaker 3: rewatching some of these more recent season episodes, I'm like, why.
Speaker 1: Are you talking like that? It's also not how we
Speaker 1: talked at the beginning. He like fell more into the
Speaker 1: Valafeco character.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like that's not how he was talking
Speaker 3: when he was undercover as a fucking influencer DJ or whatever.
Speaker 3: But anyway, as we know, every cop has an acting degree.
Speaker 3: So they're like warning Curry, like watch out, there's body parts,
Speaker 3: and she's like, she's got it now, she's third times
Speaker 3: a charm and so they're unwrapping this body part and
Speaker 3: then they realize, Okay, Tory is a suspect. We got
Speaker 3: to go check her phone. We got a loop in Creesy.
Speaker 3: So the CSU crew is like, is this the guy
Speaker 3: that you guys were looking for?
Speaker 2: And Liv goes, there's a strong probability of doom.
Speaker 3: She didn't say of doom, but just you know close
Speaker 3: you can drink half a drink if you're doing the
Speaker 3: drink when they say the name of the title. It
Speaker 3: is just kind of wild that if this guy car
Speaker 3: was towed six weeks ago, presumably he was killed six
Speaker 3: weeks ago, that it would be easy to find his
Speaker 3: remains in the Hudson River after six weeks.
Speaker 2: That's very there's a current, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just am like, okay, I guess, but now, like
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of bodies.
Speaker 1: In the in the in the Hudson. Also there's probably
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies in the Husband in the East River.
Speaker 3: But so now we're back from commercial into this graphic
Speaker 3: ass morgue with Truman, and the skeletal remains of James
Speaker 3: Brock are lying on the table and it's nasty because
Speaker 3: not only is this like this guy was cut up,
Speaker 3: but he also has been in the water for a
Speaker 3: long and also it's like you found all the parts.
Speaker 1: But whatever.
Speaker 3: Truman said that cause of death was also blunt force trauma,
Speaker 3: and they id'd him by comparing the DNA to a
Speaker 3: hairbrush that they founded his home. The dismemberment was not
Speaker 3: as methodical on this one, and like, so that means
Speaker 3: the killer was getting better. He says some disgusting shit
Speaker 3: that I did not write down about flesh eating organisms,
Speaker 3: and then what we're left with is that he was
Speaker 3: killed about six weeks ago. So now they go arrest
Speaker 3: Tory at her family's wiring and mechanical company, and she's like,
Speaker 3: who's gonna pick up Nina? And Finn tells Tory like, well,
Speaker 3: we found your dad's body, and she's like, Nina had
Speaker 3: nothing to do with it. I can explain, and Finn's
Speaker 3: like asks her to explain, like why now, like what
Speaker 3: happened six weeks ago?
Speaker 2: And then she lawyers up so I don't understand going.
Speaker 1: I can explain and they go, okay, explain and she goes,
Speaker 1: I want a lawyer, so smart.
Speaker 2: But don't say you can explain.
Speaker 1: Just be quiet.
Speaker 3: They founded by metal jab saw at her place of business.
Speaker 3: And also all the calls to her dad stopped about
Speaker 3: six weeks ago, the day that he went into the river,
Speaker 3: So if you weren't responsible for killing him, whyouldn't have
Speaker 3: kept calling your dad over six weeks? Right, Like that's
Speaker 3: something that's got to play into your getting away with
Speaker 3: it plan. Plus they found her catome account Live lays
Speaker 3: it all out, you catfished victims, luring them in using
Speaker 3: your little sister, and then probably she rang the doorbell
Speaker 3: in her maintenance outfit and they let her in and
Speaker 3: that's why.
Speaker 2: Both of these like didn't really show forced entry.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like the way that they were
Speaker 3: like this person must have been strong. It's like they're
Speaker 3: making such a big deal now to be like, gotcha,
Speaker 3: it's a woman, and it's like a woman can still
Speaker 3: be strong to cut up a body, like you know,
Speaker 3: women are strong, like so I just like feel like
Speaker 3: it was sort of a little hint thing because we
Speaker 3: never talk about like, oh wow, this guy cut these
Speaker 3: people up. This guy did this, and that he must
Speaker 3: be really strong, he must take steroids, like I mean,
Speaker 3: we don't really talk about that like it's a We
Speaker 3: always assume there's like some killer, that's a man out
Speaker 3: there that's doing the job. So I feel like the
Speaker 3: strength comment was to mistry to misdirect us from it
Speaker 3: being a woman anyway. Instrument cement room bars now we've
Speaker 3: but I feel.
Speaker 1: As soon as we catch that the girl's line, we
Speaker 1: know it's her, you know what I mean, Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: as soon as it's a lie, it's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: clearly you did it right, right right right, No, no strength, misstres,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get me out of that.
Speaker 2: And knowing that.
Speaker 3: Torri denies knowing who these men are, she goes they
Speaker 3: look like nice men and actually Wayne looks like powder
Speaker 3: in one of those videos, so like where he's talking
Speaker 3: to your sisters, so like, no, he does not look
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: He looks freaky.
Speaker 3: Coriesie tells the lawyer, we know you've been chatting with
Speaker 3: them on Catome and we have evidence that a tool
Speaker 3: found at your work was used to dismember two bodies,
Speaker 3: and Tori goes yuck. It's hilarious the way she says
Speaker 3: it is so funny. I didn't clock it the first
Speaker 3: time I watched the episode, but the second time they're
Speaker 3: like dismember two bodies and she goes yuck like, but
Speaker 3: she's being pretty chill about talking, saying yuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah ah, and the lawyer is like.
Speaker 3: The lawyer is like, well, a lot of people who
Speaker 3: work at this maintenance place have access to this tool.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She's trying her best lawyering and Tory's like, so you're
Speaker 3: saying these men were bad, bad men, so like maybe
Speaker 3: they got what they deserved. And she's like, you think
Speaker 3: my dad did it and lives like why did he
Speaker 3: have a violent streak? And this touches a nerve for Tory,
Speaker 3: like you see her it in her face and they're like, babe,
Speaker 3: we found your dad in the river, and she's like, oh, right,
Speaker 3: last time I saw him, he was sad like she is.
Speaker 3: She is like very casually throwing out some excuses like
Speaker 3: they're like, yuck, dismemberments, gross, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: These guys look nice. Oh yeah, my dad did seem
Speaker 1: kind of sad.
Speaker 3: Like she's very like chill, girly, and they're like, no,
Speaker 3: this wasn't a suicide. And I think you know that right,
Speaker 3: you were protecting your sister, and maybe your dad deserved
Speaker 3: to die too, at least to his killer, he deserved
Speaker 3: to die. And she's like yeah, and a single tear
Speaker 3: like rolls down her cheek and she's like, all three
Speaker 3: of them deserved it. And I mean her lawyer a
Speaker 3: little bit has like stopped talking, but also she's like
Speaker 3: and then she goes and I liked it, And she
Speaker 3: has a moniacal smile and she goes, yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 1: So yikes.
Speaker 3: Okay, So now some time has passed, Tory is we're
Speaker 3: now we've moved Toy into wood room lines. Now that
Speaker 3: she's confessed, she gets a better room, okay, And it's
Speaker 3: daylight and she's in an orange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have to like manipulate them with yeah
Speaker 1: good's things. Yeah yeah, they're not like you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in this basement forever. They're like, hey, here's a couple
Speaker 1: of degrees on the wall, and just have a good time.
Speaker 1: You want some coffee, you know, enjoy the blinds. The
Speaker 1: sunshine is pouring through. So Tory's in an orange jumpsuit
Speaker 1: and she's giving more details into like her life, and
Speaker 1: they're asking how did this all start? And she says,
Speaker 1: the night my mom died, my dad made me sleep
Speaker 1: in bed with him. I was eight and this is
Speaker 1: like awful, and so she says he made me sleep
Speaker 1: with him every night after that, and live like can't
Speaker 1: even make eye contact with this woman right now.
Speaker 2: She's like very shaken with how horrific it is.
Speaker 3: She's like you know, and Tory goes, I would think
Speaker 3: of a vice around my head like strong metal like
Speaker 3: and she's like, yeah, you were shutting out the world.
Speaker 1: You were never able to be a little girl. And
Speaker 1: they're like and then what happened?
Speaker 3: And she goes, well, I got older And then they're like,
Speaker 3: oh did he like he was obviously the worries that
Speaker 3: he was going to move on to Nina. And so
Speaker 3: when Nina was eight, meaning Tory would have been like sixteen,
Speaker 3: she saw her dad about with her, his hand on
Speaker 3: the doorknob, about to go into Nina's room, and she
Speaker 3: took him back to bed. Then she said she did
Speaker 3: that every night to protect Nina. So, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: surprised if this guy is a pedophile, like why he
Speaker 3: would even let her distract him. But thank god, somehow
Speaker 3: Nina has not been assaulted. It seems she said it
Speaker 3: was so it was easier when he was out of town,
Speaker 3: but then he like let us know that he was
Speaker 3: coming home from Atlantic City, and I just couldn't stomach
Speaker 3: it anymore. And they're like, well, what about Wayne and Gary?
Speaker 3: Why did you kill them? And she said I wanted
Speaker 3: to make the world safe, so you know, Dextery and
Speaker 3: Tory says it was just her dad and those two.
Speaker 1: There's no more. And the lawyers like, okay, so what's
Speaker 1: the deal, and Careese's like, well, this is a tragic story,
Speaker 1: but she's still murdered. Three people like I can talk
Speaker 1: to the DA but Torri, you're going away for a
Speaker 1: long time, and they're like well, She's like, well, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen to Nina now that there's no one
Speaker 1: there to protect her? So Careese and Benson are walking
Speaker 1: and talking and like they're basically like, yeah, James Brock
Speaker 1: created a.
Speaker 2: Monster and then she killed him, and what about Nina?
Speaker 3: Lives not going to let her end up in some
Speaker 3: bad foster parent situation. So now Live and Courryer are
Speaker 3: talking to Nina explaining how Tory is going to jail
Speaker 3: and her dad is never coming home, and Nina's upset.
Speaker 3: She's crying and she's like, can I visit Tory? And
Speaker 3: they're like, yes, can we talk on the phone? They
Speaker 3: say yes, Live tells Nina She's like, what's going to
Speaker 3: happen to me? And Lives like, well, we found your grandmother,
Speaker 3: your mother's mother. She misses you and she loves you.
Speaker 3: Her name is Bonnie and she lives in Texas and
Speaker 3: she's going to take care of you. And the poor
Speaker 3: girl she looks really upset. I mean, well, they say
Speaker 3: she's going to come here and take care of you,
Speaker 3: and I'm always like, does that mean get you and
Speaker 3: bring you back to Texas or does that mean somehow
Speaker 3: Grandma Bonnie's going to start living it up in Manhattan.
Speaker 2: I don't think, so are in the Bronx, you know?
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: But at the hopefully they own their house. It's kind
Speaker 3: of a nice house that they go to in the Bronx. Like,
Speaker 3: hopefully Nina gets like the money from the sale for
Speaker 3: college and she can get the fuck out of wherever
Speaker 3: she ends up in a few years. Anyway, at the
Speaker 3: bar at the end of the episode, Live is drinking
Speaker 3: some red wine and Finn's like, how you do it?
Speaker 3: And Live says good, and Finn goes, will you're drinking
Speaker 3: boxed wine? So that's a lie. It's like, I don't
Speaker 3: think Live goes to bars where the wine comes out
Speaker 3: of a box, but whatever, and he asks about.
Speaker 2: It, Oh, you know those cop bars sometimes have terrible wine.
Speaker 3: Oh, of course that's the kind of wine where I
Speaker 3: ask the bartender's like, oh, please tell me, is the
Speaker 3: wine shit?
Speaker 1: And they'll be like, don't get the wine.
Speaker 3: But he asks about this article that she keeps staring at,
Speaker 3: and she goes just remembering, and he's like, bitch, you
Speaker 3: are all over the place.
Speaker 2: You told me. It wasn't about memories.
Speaker 3: It was about life's little question marks, like which is
Speaker 3: it and lives like, well, I was just thinking about Tory,
Speaker 3: and Finn goes, she's a lunatic who gets sexual, sexually
Speaker 3: excited by dismemberment. And it's like, what she never said
Speaker 3: she it was sexual. She just said she liked killing pedophiles,
Speaker 3: Like Finn is projecting the sexual part on there unless
Speaker 3: there's a line that got cut. Okay, but Live feels
Speaker 3: for the girl. She's like, she's I can feel for her,
Speaker 3: Like how terrifying it would be like never knowing if
Speaker 3: your dad's gonna come home and be the man or
Speaker 3: the monster. Living in limbo, always calculating the probability of doom.
Speaker 3: Drink your drink, puff your joint name of the episode.
Speaker 3: Finn's putting the salt together.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: This is like Finn's big moment of being a therapist.
Speaker 3: And he goes, this isn't about Tory Brock or Maria Rossinos,
Speaker 3: It's all about you.
Speaker 2: You're scared.
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm not scared, and they're like, he goes,
Speaker 3: you're scared about the answer to your little question. What
Speaker 3: became all of the little questions? What became of her?
Speaker 3: What if she's a jerk? What if what happened was
Speaker 3: not that big of a deal to her, like it
Speaker 3: is to you, what if you meet each other and
Speaker 3: have nothing to say and lives like okay, read me, bitch,
Speaker 3: you know, like he's obviously right. And then there's a
Speaker 3: cute like she goes, well, you're not wrong, and Finn goes,
Speaker 3: there's another way you can say that, and then there's
Speaker 3: a cute little Finn Live moment and like on her
Speaker 3: way out, she goes, you're right, and she walks out
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 1: And then we.
Speaker 3: Don't really talk about this that much, but how is
Speaker 3: Olivia driving this big ass tahoe around Manhattan? She is
Speaker 3: driving an SUV that is I get you're a captain,
Speaker 3: but it's like you have one child.
Speaker 1: Where are you parking this fucker? It's huge. Every time
Speaker 1: she pulls out, it's like a suburban. She pulls up
Speaker 1: like one of the people picking up the celebrities after
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live, and she pulls up to this house.
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like the Burbs.
Speaker 3: It might be like the Bronx or something, because a
Speaker 3: lot of the like the house that the house that
Speaker 3: the Tory and.
Speaker 2: Nina lived in, just look like a house and the
Speaker 2: burbs kind of.
Speaker 3: And she looks through the window and sees Maria having
Speaker 3: dinner with a man like her boyfriend, her husband or whatever,
Speaker 3: and she answers the door and says Maria, and Maria
Speaker 3: just looks at her blankly, as if you wouldn't remember
Speaker 3: the gorgeous woman who rescued you all those years ago.
Speaker 3: She's barely changed, and Live just hands her the article
Speaker 3: and Maria immediately gets so emotional, gives Benson a huge
Speaker 3: hug and says, whantat you come in?
Speaker 2: And that's dick wolf.
Speaker 3: Baby, And I know Maria shows up in another episode.
Speaker 3: She comes later in another episode, so I'm gonna see
Speaker 3: more of her. But I do not know anything about
Speaker 3: these crimes really, except for gently googling them before we
Speaker 3: decided on them.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for your run dated too, but I
Speaker 1: really hate pedophiles. So this first crime is the murder
Speaker 1: of Doximo Seja Bye at the hands of Decca Simmons.
Speaker 1: So Decca was a woman who found out that Daximo,
Speaker 1: the you know this man was allegedly and I can't
Speaker 1: believe people magazine would do this, but wrote sexual relationship
Speaker 1: with a minor and it's like that is not a
Speaker 1: thing a thing. It's ray like I don't understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: what here, what this is? This is like twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah yeah, it's like it's very frustrating
Speaker 1: if people.
Speaker 3: Wrote that in like nineteen ninety nine, it's like, what
Speaker 3: are we talking about, like Seinfeld and Shirshana Lowenstein, you know,
Speaker 3: like sexu relationship with a minor, like, but for it
Speaker 3: to be like two years ago is wild.
Speaker 1: I know. I was so so yeah disappointed by People magazine.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's not like, you know, the highest
Speaker 1: court in the land. Okay, so, hey, what was the
Speaker 1: thing that you wrote to people and they took it down?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was people, but it was something.
Speaker 1: It was like weird relationships or something. But they had
Speaker 1: some Peto's in there, and you were withins. It was
Speaker 1: about kinks. We were looking for kinks for something, so
Speaker 1: it was like a ton of kinks, but one of
Speaker 1: the kinks was wanting teens.
Speaker 3: And you're like, that's not a kink, it's illegal. And
Speaker 3: then they took it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, okay, I am a buzzkill for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm the Debbie downer of correct sexual grammar, like no,
Speaker 1: it's you do not things. Words mean things. If people
Speaker 1: don't if people see that there is no such thing
Speaker 1: as a sexual relationship with a minor, I don't call
Speaker 1: it that a casual hank. Someone was just like talking
Speaker 1: about Stockholm syndrome and beauty and the Beast, and I go,
Speaker 1: it's actually like a pretty sexist term, and you know
Speaker 1: it was created in this thing and it's not really
Speaker 1: what is happening. These women are not in love with
Speaker 1: their captors. Yeah, they have to use their captors to
Speaker 1: survive and gain trust so they can leave. And it's
Speaker 1: actually really fucked up. And they were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just like working on a Beauty in the Beast joke.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, for sure, for sure you could do that,
Speaker 1: but I will ruin the Friday night hang first, so whatever.
Speaker 1: So this woman kills him because she believes that he
Speaker 1: is a pedophile. So this is Colorado twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: But the remains of this man were not found till
Speaker 1: October fifth, twenty twenty three. They were found inside a
Speaker 1: bag and a drainage culvert and Colorado Springs after local
Speaker 1: police got an anonymous tip so so. But the cops
Speaker 1: say that they were looking for the body starting March thirtieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, like they knew that he was missing,
Speaker 1: and like they were looking for him. But prosecutors say
Speaker 1: that Simmons killed Saha, who was forty eight, in a
Speaker 1: garage after learning he allegedly had a relationship with a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old girl when he was twenty five in California.
Speaker 1: So listen, this is tough. I don't think what that
Speaker 1: is is good. But if he didn't date another seventeen
Speaker 1: year old for twenty plus years, I don't know murder
Speaker 1: because I like vigilante justice too. You know that about me.
Speaker 3: Yes, she killed him based on something he did twenty
Speaker 3: three years ago, but do we know he didn't date
Speaker 3: another seventeen year old girl?
Speaker 2: Again, we don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do not know anything, and that those details
Speaker 1: were reported from the Colorado Springs Gazette. So the prosecutor
Speaker 1: said that she has an unrestrained hatred for anyone who
Speaker 1: would molest a child, and honestly, same, I think I
Speaker 1: have that as well. But she said that she was
Speaker 1: scared her daughter was going to become a victim, and
Speaker 1: she is serving life, no possibility of parole boo, I
Speaker 1: feel like a parole in like fifteen to twenty But okay,
Speaker 1: she was sentenced August twenty first, twenty twenty four. His
Speaker 1: mom in court was like, she killed him for something
Speaker 1: he did twenty four years ago, And I guess that's
Speaker 1: the perspective I adopted a few moments ago. But she
Speaker 1: admits that he did it, but it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to feel about this, Like I hate pedophiles, but like
Speaker 1: killed in a garage, he was not a convicted sex defender,
Speaker 1: and not that that's.
Speaker 3: Also like also not to be gross, like I think
Speaker 3: twenty five and seventeen is a gross age spread, but
Speaker 3: seventeen is legal in some states, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, so it's like, I'm sure he's like a fucking freak,
Speaker 1: but and knows that she was young, and then whoa,
Speaker 1: I guess Simmons has been suspected in three other murders
Speaker 1: but has not been charged with any of them. And
Speaker 1: then on top of her life sentence, she also got
Speaker 1: you know how I hate these silly things. But she
Speaker 1: also got twenty four years for tampering with a dead
Speaker 1: body and another three years for tampering with physical evidence,
Speaker 1: and all of these are going to be served consecutively,
Speaker 1: which doesn't matter. She will die in prison, Okay. So
Speaker 1: that's that. The next case is Sheila Labert. So Sheila's
Speaker 1: a little funky. She claimed that she was an angel
Speaker 1: sent from God to punish pedophiles, okay, And so she
Speaker 1: killed two of her boyfriends and she got caught because
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six police found her burning trash
Speaker 1: and in that trash there were bones of one of
Speaker 1: the victims. His name was Kenneth County and then also
Speaker 1: Michael Delogue. His remains were found on her horse farm,
Speaker 1: on her property, and he was killed in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five County. She met when he was twenty four
Speaker 1: years old, and he does have a learning disability when
Speaker 1: she meets him, and they met through a personal ad
Speaker 1: February two thousand and six, and he moved in with her,
Speaker 1: and that was the last time anyone saw like the
Speaker 1: last time anyone saw him alive. She was pushing him
Speaker 1: around in a wheelchair in Walmart and his face and
Speaker 1: hands were covered in cuts.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So was she torturing him.
Speaker 1: You think, yeah, not only torture, but she did tape
Speaker 1: her crimes, and those tapes were later shown in court,
Speaker 1: so you can imagine quite damning, quite damning. So in
Speaker 1: the torture session tapes, which does sound like a Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of extra video. But so in the
Speaker 1: torture tapes, she would is that the merch Okay, So
Speaker 1: she liked the session tapes because she would listen to
Speaker 1: them and during the torture she forced them to admit
Speaker 1: that they were pedophiles. I mentioned, like the last time
Speaker 1: you were seen alive was at this Walmart being pushed around.
Speaker 1: And then very shortly after that Walmart incident, the Epping
Speaker 1: police and Epping is in New Hampshire, fifty miles outside
Speaker 1: of Boston. And so the Epping police, they's funny word Epping,
Speaker 1: you know that being police got a phone call that
Speaker 1: played the audio of County confessing to being a pedophile.
Speaker 1: So they went to her house. Obviously that's where the
Speaker 1: call came from. So she played a tape of like
Speaker 1: him admitting he was a pedophile. So they go to
Speaker 1: her house and it's like she wanted to get caught,
Speaker 1: so like they went down there to do a welfare check,
Speaker 1: and there was a burn pile, and in the burn
Speaker 1: pile was fleshy human bone fragments and a pair of sneakers.
Speaker 1: And it's like when you just kind of maybe even
Speaker 1: cover that up, like truly just a blanket, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like just to have like fleshy bones when
Speaker 1: you made the phone call.
Speaker 2: Like what, yeah, it is wild, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Hide the evidence.
Speaker 1: So her farm whatever, this is a huge New Hampshire crime. Obviously,
Speaker 1: probably nothing of her happens there in that tiny little state,
Speaker 1: so famous crime. And when they tried to get her,
Speaker 1: they she attempted to flee. So that's pretty fun. And
Speaker 1: like I said, she's like a funky gal. So she
Speaker 1: did admit that finally she stabbed County to death before
Speaker 1: burning his body, and confessed to killing the Logue and
Speaker 1: burned his body, but nobody actually knows how he died.
Speaker 1: So crazy. The trial was five weeks. The defense was
Speaker 1: that she's a delusional woman who believed every man in
Speaker 1: her life was a pedophile and saw herself as an
Speaker 1: avenging angel. When she was young, she swallowed a bottle
Speaker 1: of pills and slid into a car and drove until
Speaker 1: she passed out at the wheel and then crashed her car.
Speaker 1: That's like six things in a row you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1: But she was rushed to a hospital and spent more
Speaker 1: than a week in a coma. When she woke up,
Speaker 1: that's when the visions of her angel life came about.
Speaker 2: So she died.
Speaker 1: She said she found herself seated at a table with
Speaker 1: a bunch of men with long beards, and one of
Speaker 1: the men was God, and she was told by God
Speaker 1: that her work on earth was not done and returned
Speaker 1: her to with the order to kill pedophiles. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like on to kill perverts like the men who
Speaker 1: hurt her when she was little.
Speaker 2: So that's the defense.
Speaker 1: The prosecution said, no, she is a crude, manipulative, cruel,
Speaker 1: and vindictive woman who violently lashed out at the men
Speaker 1: she dated. And that's a quote from NBC News. She
Speaker 1: was convicted June two thousand and eight, at forty nine
Speaker 1: years old of murder, and the jury did not believe
Speaker 1: she was an angel with a mission. She got life
Speaker 1: in prison without parole, and when it was announced, the
Speaker 1: relatives of the victims burst into applause, Like people were
Speaker 1: pretty pumped and listen.
Speaker 2: What are the guys pedophiles? I don't know because because
Speaker 2: like the confession, right, I think she.
Speaker 1: Coursed them, like why are you like if you're if
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the House of Horror's guy, like,
Speaker 1: if you're picking up people that are like intellectually disabled,
Speaker 1: you're abusing.
Speaker 2: There's actually more abuse. There's more.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll discuss this further, but no, an, I won't
Speaker 1: have an answer to that question. There's more, so okay,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll be the guilty verdict. It's not surprising
Speaker 1: because of the you know, the pile of bones, and
Speaker 1: the jury watched the videos she made of herself while
Speaker 1: she was interrogating and braiding the victims. But yeah, her
Speaker 1: lawyer just kept being like, this is a deeply crazy
Speaker 1: and insane woman, and.
Speaker 3: Like, well, it sounds like she might have had a
Speaker 3: traumatic brain injury from that car crash.
Speaker 2: Damn, you know, but I'm no doctor.
Speaker 1: No, but they The next thing I was going to
Speaker 1: say was about a doctor, doctor Albert drunk, a teenie drunk,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Drunk, Tennis read that name. What do you think it is? Drunk?
Speaker 1: A teenies? Doctor Albert drunk teenies. Yeah, but the word
Speaker 1: drunk is fully in this man's name. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: But also teenie makes it sound like a fun drink
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drunk teenies, it's like grain alcohol and sprite. So
Speaker 1: the state he's the safe forensic psychologist, and he testified
Speaker 1: that she was sane. He reviewed more than eight thousand
Speaker 1: pages of her case file and interviewed her three times,
Speaker 1: so he spent over twelve hours with her, and the
Speaker 1: doctor said she answered all the questions well and tried
Speaker 1: to explain away evidence that made her look bad, so
Speaker 1: that means she gets what's going on. And the thing
Speaker 1: is she did have some issues with her mental health,
Speaker 1: but not enough evidence that the reason she committed the
Speaker 1: crime and what caused her to kill was the mental illness,
Speaker 1: so that's that. In one taped interview where they played
Speaker 1: in court, she said that she was driven been to
Speaker 1: kill the loge because he was hurting and killing her animals,
Speaker 1: and then also said County's death was an accident, so
Speaker 1: she was like confessing to things but with random facts.
Speaker 1: She did spend time in a psychiatric facility in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties after attempting to take her own life,
Speaker 1: and then an ex husband of hers said that she
Speaker 1: would turn violent with mood swings, and she had a
Speaker 1: lot of mood disorders. She had a lot of ex
Speaker 1: husbands as well, so the last one she actually never
Speaker 1: legally married, but she took his last name Labert. His
Speaker 1: name was Bill Labert, and he died. She took the
Speaker 1: entire estate, which included the farm, and the deceased children
Speaker 1: were pissed and they were like, what the fuck you
Speaker 1: crazy bitch, And she's like, I don't care, but it's
Speaker 1: not Also, exes, we can't always trust exes, like other
Speaker 1: people said terrible things about her, that she had a
Speaker 1: boyfriend who she took a hatchet to and hacked into
Speaker 1: his trailer while he was sleeping. She also once took
Speaker 1: a revolver and fired shots at a boyfriend as he
Speaker 1: ran through a field. Like I said, a KOOKI girl.
Speaker 1: Is the sexism? Sure, reverse, I don't care, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm not taking this as seriously as
Speaker 1: I should. But you know it's hard. She does seem wild,
Speaker 1: so old, the old neighbors. Well, this is where it
Speaker 1: gets really serious. I mean it is serious. Men have died, Okay,
Speaker 1: so neighbors said that she did keep men in cages
Speaker 1: on her property.
Speaker 2: What yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I am looking at a photo of her, and there's
Speaker 1: a photo of her in court smiling, and she does
Speaker 1: not have a soul. Shark eyes to the max, Like
Speaker 1: there's nothing behind those eyes. She is like a fucking salamander. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, Like right, don't you feel like she's soulless?
Speaker 1: Let me see. Oh yeah, look at those little sharkies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she kind of she's grinning in this picture too, she
Speaker 1: looks yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean also she was forty nine, this could have
Speaker 3: been menopause. Also on top of all of her mood disorders.
Speaker 2: Wow, Like why the device should have used that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they don't study it and
Speaker 1: people are going fucking crazy and doing crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: Like, if you already are prone to mood disorders, moods,
Speaker 3: you know, then it's like suddenly around the time perimenopause
Speaker 3: and many menopause, that's in she's an avenging angel and
Speaker 3: has to do all this.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But like all classic psychas, she was abused and had
Speaker 1: a nightmare childhood, and her sibling from that She was
Speaker 1: sexual and emotionally abused by her dad and his friends,
Speaker 1: but so was her sister, who did not murder anybody.
Speaker 1: She tried to appeal it was rejected in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: There is no evidence these men were pedophiles. She is
Speaker 1: still in prison at the New Hampshire State Prison for Women.
Speaker 1: And to leave you on a cliffhanger. There were also
Speaker 1: three toes near her farm, but forensic analysis determined it
Speaker 1: was not County or de Logue, and a DNA match
Speaker 1: has not surfaced yet.
Speaker 3: Whoa drifter? She probably just killed some drifter, like someone
Speaker 3: who never got reported missing or something. Yeah, damn okay,
Speaker 3: damn damn, damn sheilah.
Speaker 1: This one's fucked okay. So Queens, New York. This is
Speaker 1: about a twenty six year old woman named Bridget Harris.
Speaker 1: And this is in two thousand and seven that she's
Speaker 1: like twenty six and this is happening. So it's an
Speaker 1: early summer afternoon. So Harris takes a two hour subway
Speaker 1: and fairy ride from her place in Queen's to her
Speaker 1: sister's place in Staten Islands. Her sister, Carlen, was trying
Speaker 1: to calm her down and like want basically was explaining like,
Speaker 1: come over, Dad is here and he wants to apologize.
Speaker 1: What does he want to apologize for? Classic, And he
Speaker 1: didn't even fucking want to apologize, Like this is a nightmare.
Speaker 2: She had a really terrible life.
Speaker 1: He raped her, molested her, beat her from the age
Speaker 1: of three, forced the forced to at four years old,
Speaker 1: like started orally raping her at four years old, and
Speaker 1: she remembers him laughing and being like, oh, I'll teach
Speaker 1: you how to do that better. But her birth mother
Speaker 1: abandoned her, so and her three other children to the
Speaker 1: foster care system and left for Liberia. So when Bridge
Speaker 1: it's two years old, her mom abandons her and her
Speaker 1: siblings to go to Liberia. Then she gets into Liberia
Speaker 1: to live with her mother, and the like beatings and
Speaker 1: abuse by her mom were so unbearable she actually went
Speaker 1: to go live with her father again. But like then
Speaker 1: he left her with his girlfriend who beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of her and put ground hot peppers in her wounds.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's bad, Oh my god. So like
Speaker 1: so now she's fifteen, she's with her fucking dad again,
Speaker 1: and then finally at eighteen, she can leave Africa. So
Speaker 1: the dad everyone wants to Africa, so like she's leaving Liberia,
Speaker 1: she comes back to the US and she's trying to
Speaker 1: build a new life for herself. At first she stayed
Speaker 1: with family shelters, but then started working. She ended up
Speaker 1: being a security guard at JFK. So we're back. So
Speaker 1: that was like her past. So that's like the traumatic past.
Speaker 1: And the dad just like raped his children for a
Speaker 1: long time. So now we're in the kitchen of her
Speaker 1: sister's apartment, and she walked into the kitchen and there
Speaker 1: was her dad, Eric Goodrich, who is fifty five years old.
Speaker 1: When this is going down, she hadn't seen him in
Speaker 1: five years. He had the kidney stone, and he just
Speaker 1: looked different than she imagined and agreed was suffering from
Speaker 1: a kidney stone. Yeah, I guess he was, Like he
Speaker 1: had a kidney stone. He was like one actively that's
Speaker 1: like the most painful thing that men go through apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a wild So he's in there like, now I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to take the opportunity to apologize to my daughter's
Speaker 3: from molesting them while I'm going through fully painful.
Speaker 1: Of course he doesn't, of course he doesn't. Of course
Speaker 1: he's a piece of shit. So what else we need
Speaker 1: to talk, but first go get me a beverage and
Speaker 1: sends her to go get him a vight splash.
Speaker 2: The details a vight splash, Okay, So she.
Speaker 1: Comes back and then something stopped her, like she really
Speaker 1: like she saw her eight year old niece, Edina Carlean's
Speaker 1: daughter laughing and playing in good Rich's lap, and Harris
Speaker 1: just like knew she had to do something. She's like,
Speaker 1: I need to set up another meeting and I need
Speaker 1: to make sure like my niece and my other niece
Speaker 1: Monique are like do not Because then he tells her,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, I'm planning to take the nieces to
Speaker 1: fucking Liberia.
Speaker 2: So she hears all this, she sees it.
Speaker 1: She goes, I need to make sure he never hurts
Speaker 1: my nieces and abuses nobody else.
Speaker 2: So she made a video.
Speaker 1: A lot of videos here, a lot of audio visual queens,
Speaker 1: and so she makes a video explaining herself and why
Speaker 1: she needs to do it. But she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: kill him. She just wants to Loraina bob at him,
Speaker 1: like Lorena Bobbitt was in the zeitgeist, was very popular.
Speaker 1: She did a bunch of research. She found out no
Speaker 1: one dies from this. She and she did research on
Speaker 1: how to cut his dick off without killing him, and
Speaker 1: she bought a pack of scalpels on ebit. So then
Speaker 1: it was a pack of fifty. I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: you don't need that many. Yeah, cool, so splash the
Speaker 1: pack of fifty scalpels.
Speaker 2: The details are amazing, you.
Speaker 1: Know what it's because it was like there was news articles,
Speaker 1: but there was a long form piece in New York magazine.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, they got the dates. They usually get the dates.
Speaker 1: So she also explains, like in the video that she makes,
Speaker 1: that she doesn't understand how her sister's okay like taking
Speaker 1: her dad in when she has like girl like young
Speaker 1: girls like. It just drove her fucking crazy. So the
Speaker 1: morning of July twenty eighth, the dad and her agreed
Speaker 1: to meet at her apartment. She sprayed him with pepper spray.
Speaker 1: I fought a coffee table broke. She overpowered him, I
Speaker 1: mean she was a security guard, and he passed out.
Speaker 1: She handcuffed his ass, but he was having trouble breathing,
Speaker 1: so she tried to revive him. He woke up and
Speaker 1: started screaming, so she had to gag his ass and
Speaker 1: so she gagged him with a towel, put a towel
Speaker 1: in his mouth, and then pulled down his pants and
Speaker 1: tried first with scissors, but it didn't work, so she
Speaker 1: got her scalpels, and she took the penis and put
Speaker 1: it on the stove and turned.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Casey's laughing and it's made me laugh.
Speaker 4: I am like, I am like.
Speaker 2: My mouth is on the floor, my jaw is on
Speaker 2: the floor. Go on, Okay, this is so serious.
Speaker 1: Okay. So she took the penis to the stove and
Speaker 1: turned on the flame, and then she bolted from the
Speaker 1: house and then she took the burnt dick and threw
Speaker 1: it under the boardwalk. So that was the plan. She
Speaker 1: was arrested one month later and was charged with murder
Speaker 1: by the Queen's DA's off, of course, so he died.
Speaker 1: He did die. He did die, and she admitted in
Speaker 1: person that she killed her dad, but she didn't mean too.
Speaker 1: She just wanted to make sure he didn't molest anybody else.
Speaker 1: He gagged, so he didn't even die from the penis cutting.
Speaker 1: He died from like exphyxiation on the rag. Oh, so
Speaker 1: that's why it wasn't like So she did it.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 1: It's going to get complicated in the court proceedings, I guess,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm not going to feel bad for a guy
Speaker 3: that died who was raping his daughters from age three.
Speaker 2: Like I feel nothing. I feel nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he was found bound and gagged in the
Speaker 1: third floor apartment two thousand and seven, strangled and sexually mutilated.
Speaker 1: But it's not even sexually mutilated. It's just her dicks
Speaker 1: chopped off, Okay, but SV would be caught and he
Speaker 1: was handcuffed and you know, like the penis severed, you know,
Speaker 1: towel stuff in his mouth. So the trial lasted two weeks.
Speaker 1: The jury deliberation lasted for three hours. So she was
Speaker 1: charged with second degree murder and first degree manslaughter on
Speaker 1: September thirtieth, two thousand and nine. But the jury said
Speaker 1: in Supreme Court they did not want her to go
Speaker 1: to prison, and they gave her the most lenient charge
Speaker 1: they could legally give her, but they had to convict her.
Speaker 1: So they did convict her, you know, of the things
Speaker 1: that she did, but they acquitted her of every other
Speaker 1: serious charge, which was second whatever.
Speaker 2: I can't with any other serious.
Speaker 3: Charges, second degree manslaughter or why do you get second
Speaker 3: dream murder and first degree manslaughter?
Speaker 2: Why isn't just one or the other? I told you
Speaker 2: it got complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because it's like maybe the slaughter.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 1: Know it's not first story because she didn't plan on
Speaker 1: killing him. But also like the injuries she caught, like
Speaker 1: she put the gat in his mouth.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, it seems like he would be
Speaker 3: one or the other. But the lawyers have to tell
Speaker 3: me the difference.
Speaker 2: But go on.
Speaker 1: So they also made sure she had possibility of parole,
Speaker 1: and the jury then wrote left letters to the judge
Speaker 1: asking for her time served like during this, Like she
Speaker 1: was held in custody during this, like the trial and
Speaker 1: all of this, and it took years, so they wanted
Speaker 1: her time already served to count towards the sentence. They
Speaker 1: did not want her to be put away because they
Speaker 1: said that was not justice. The best jury ever. On
Speaker 1: top of send writing letters on her behalf, they sent
Speaker 1: her books, CDs, people offered her jobs, and when she
Speaker 1: got out, they offered her free counseling.
Speaker 2: So this is like a superstar jury.
Speaker 3: She's not going to kill anybody else, like, she's not
Speaker 3: going to be a danger to anyone else, Like she
Speaker 3: was trying to cut her dad's dick off because he
Speaker 3: was a fucking monster.
Speaker 1: So she got five to fifteen years max. She was
Speaker 1: sent upstate to Bedford Hill Correctional Facility in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven and in twenty twelve. She was paroled released
Speaker 1: in August twenty twelve, and.
Speaker 3: Her nieces because of her were at least saved from
Speaker 3: being molested from their grandfather.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh tough stuff. So we had one. This last crime
Speaker 3: is an A plus.
Speaker 2: Good for you. I'm glad she did it.
Speaker 3: The middle one is confusing and she seems a little cuckoo.
Speaker 3: And then the top one.
Speaker 1: I don't know something you did twenty four years ago,
Speaker 1: but maybe she knew more. Maybe she knew more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all very different, but obviously we all, uh, we
Speaker 1: all are rooting for Bridget.
Speaker 2: Bridget Harris. Hope you're out there. I hope you got hired.
Speaker 1: I hope you're living well and people helped you and
Speaker 1: you've gotten all the counseling you need. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: you should have drugged him, Like if she thought threw
Speaker 1: it more, she could have drugged him and then cut
Speaker 1: his dick off while he just slept, you know.
Speaker 2: But he wouldn't stop screaming, so I understand she had
Speaker 2: to gag him.
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on because we have a great
Speaker 3: guest today that's going to cleanse the palette of this,
Speaker 3: the pedophilia palette.
Speaker 1: Let's get to that merch. But I don't think people
Speaker 1: want to wear pedophilia.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no, I don't think places will
Speaker 3: print it. Our guest today is an actor and singer
Speaker 3: who is currently on the national tour excuse me for
Speaker 3: the Tony Award winning musical Kimberly a Kimbo, but you
Speaker 3: know her best as the pedophile murderer Tory Brock. Please
Speaker 3: enjoy our wonderful chat with Sarah and Marion.
Speaker 1: We're so happier here. We watched Happy to Be Here,
Speaker 1: such a performance. You were booked on your performance.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a crazy, crazy primetime debut because I had
Speaker 4: only done two other TV episodes prior to that, and
Speaker 4: like the amount of like screen time I had comparatively
Speaker 4: to my first two. It was like, oh, I have
Speaker 4: eight minutes of screen time in an SPU episode, Like
Speaker 4: who gets that?
Speaker 1: You know this crazy analogues, arrests, interviews. It was really
Speaker 1: juicy your part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what had you auditioned for SU before or was
Speaker 3: this like your first no.
Speaker 4: Wow auditioned for SVU before? I had auditioned for several
Speaker 4: I think I got auditioned for FBI, Most Wanted and
Speaker 4: a couple of shows like that, lots of you know,
Speaker 4: cop shows where they're looking for a big, scary, burly person,
Speaker 4: but not for SVU. And it was actually really funny.
Speaker 4: The timeline of when I got the audition to when
Speaker 4: I was on set was one week. I got the
Speaker 4: audition on a Tuesday night, and I was on set
Speaker 4: the following Tuesday getting fitted for my costumes.
Speaker 1: It was like that, it was crazy crazy, So you
Speaker 1: just got to work highlighting.
Speaker 4: I literally, I literally just got to work. And you know,
Speaker 4: one of the things people ask me it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, how did it feel with my gush you
Speaker 4: were on SVU, And I was like, I didn't have
Speaker 4: any time to feel anything. I just came and did
Speaker 4: my job. That was it. It was. It was a
Speaker 4: really wild experience and the only audition that I had
Speaker 4: for it was just a self tape that I filmed
Speaker 4: in my sister's basement. Like that was.
Speaker 1: Amazing because we talked to a lot of actors.
Speaker 3: That have done the show, and most of them are like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I've auditioned ten times. And we recently
Speaker 3: talked to somebody who auditioned for fifteen years and finally
Speaker 3: got to play like a really really like vile battie
Speaker 3: on the show. But obviously you're too young to have
Speaker 3: auditioned for so many years.
Speaker 2: But like, it's cool that you nailed it on your
Speaker 2: first one.
Speaker 4: It was. It was really cool and gratifying experience. And
Speaker 4: you know, my dad used to watch SVU, you know,
Speaker 4: when I was a little kid, so like to be
Speaker 4: able to grow up and get to be on one
Speaker 4: of his favorite shows was so cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, so where are you from and where do you live?
Speaker 1: And where was where was your sister's basement for the audition? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I grew up in California in Orange County and
Speaker 4: then I moved to New York. About seven and a
Speaker 4: half years ago, I was filming in my sister's basement
Speaker 4: in Virginia because she had asked me to come babysit
Speaker 4: her kids while she and her husband went on a
Speaker 4: little vacation. So I was there watching my sister's kids.
Speaker 4: I had the baby monitor next to me, trying to
Speaker 4: make sure that I'm not waking up anybody. So I'm
Speaker 4: all the way down in the basement trying to film
Speaker 4: this scene where I'm talking about getting raped and their
Speaker 4: tears coming down my eyes, and every every other take
Speaker 4: I had to be like, is a baby like okay, okay?
Speaker 4: Like it was. It was a crazy experience. I think
Speaker 4: it was like one in the morning, and I was
Speaker 4: filming with my fiance and over overdom because he was
Speaker 4: back in New York.
Speaker 2: It was wild wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I sent in the tape I think
Speaker 4: on Thursday, and then I was like, well, send the tape.
Speaker 4: We're done with it. You know, most people don't hear
Speaker 4: back from that kind of thing. You just send it
Speaker 4: off into the void and see what the universe returns.
Speaker 4: And then Monday morning, I got a call from my
Speaker 4: agent at like ten am and she was like, so
Speaker 4: you booked it. How quickly can you be back in
Speaker 4: New York? And I was like, I'm watching my sisters
Speaker 4: kids right now. But luckily my mom was able to
Speaker 4: come in and swap over, so literally, I think Monday morning.
Speaker 4: I was on a plane the next day at six
Speaker 4: am on Tuesday at the SBU offices at noon getting
Speaker 4: fitted for my scenes.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: It was a crazy, crazy whirlwind experience.
Speaker 2: Yikes.
Speaker 3: And of course we like went to your Instagram to
Speaker 3: do a little digging and saw, you know you and
Speaker 3: Marishka had a nice little moment and you know you,
Speaker 3: you were like you were saying how much she meant
Speaker 3: to you, and then she wrote back saying how great
Speaker 3: you were.
Speaker 4: I was like love this, yeah, oh my gosh. So
Speaker 4: actually that picture that's on my Instagram, that happened an
Speaker 4: hour after we shot the scene where not where I'm
Speaker 4: in the orange jumpsuit where I'm confessing to everything, but
Speaker 4: when she like breaks me down and then I you
Speaker 4: know say that I enjoyed, you know, doing We took
Speaker 4: that picture like an hour after we finished shooting that scene.
Speaker 4: And I remember I was waiting, you know, in the
Speaker 4: in the studio, they have these tables set up for
Speaker 4: like craft services and if they have you o caterers
Speaker 4: like you can go and they're kind of in between
Speaker 4: where the dressing rooms are and where the sets are,
Speaker 4: so I was just kind of standing there hoping because
Speaker 4: she had many more scenes to shoot that day. So
Speaker 4: it's just standing there in my in my sweatpants, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I hope I get to see her
Speaker 4: and just tell her how much that meant to me.
Speaker 4: And she saw me as she was literally going to
Speaker 4: shoot another scene and she stopped me. She gave me
Speaker 4: this big hug and she just told me, you know,
Speaker 4: such such sweet things. And then she said, did we
Speaker 4: have a picture together yet? And I was like no,
Speaker 4: and I have like tears in my eyes if you
Speaker 4: can see in that picture, I'm like, my nose is
Speaker 4: bright red and I have tears. But yeah, that that
Speaker 4: was a crazy, crazy experience. And it was fully her
Speaker 4: idea to be like, let's take a picture. And I
Speaker 4: was like thank you because I wasn't even thinking about that.
Speaker 4: I was just trying to tell her, like how special
Speaker 4: the experience I'd been.
Speaker 2: She's like thoughtful, that's thoughtful, pro movie.
Speaker 4: Like she's the greatest, Like she she is such an
Speaker 4: incredible human being and she's such professional. I remember my
Speaker 4: first that first day that I was on set. I
Speaker 4: wasn't even shooting that day, but I was just getting
Speaker 4: my fitting's done. I was sitting in the dressing room
Speaker 4: area and I can hear everyone talking on you know,
Speaker 4: the radio, and being like, okay, Peter is walking, Ice
Speaker 4: is walking, and then finally she is walking, and I
Speaker 4: swear to god, it was dead silent, and then you
Speaker 4: just hear the sound of stilettos on the tile of
Speaker 4: her coming down to the studio. It was like out
Speaker 4: of body experience, and I was like, Wow, holy shit,
Speaker 4: this is really happening. And I didn't even see her
Speaker 4: that day, but I just like heard her walking down
Speaker 4: the hallway and I nearly feigted. It was incredible. And
Speaker 4: she's such a force of nature. And every so often
Speaker 4: she'll like one of my Instagram posts and I'm like, what,
Speaker 4: what is real life? What is happening? Okay, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear, no, that's like what we It's just
Speaker 1: like she doesn't have to follow people that just come
Speaker 1: on and do like one guest star, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, and it feels like she does that
Speaker 1: and is like responded to your post like and just
Speaker 1: just like a sweet she kind of goes out of
Speaker 1: her way and starting twenty seventh season of her show,
Speaker 1: like she really doesn't have to do any of that.
Speaker 1: You know, she knows kind of earned asshole rights if
Speaker 1: she wants them, but she doesn't do that absolutely.
Speaker 4: You know, she has definitely paid her dues and paved
Speaker 4: her way, and I didn't expect anything from her, but
Speaker 4: she was so kind to me. I think that scene
Speaker 4: that we shot, you know, before we took that picture
Speaker 4: where you know, she's breaking me down and I, you know,
Speaker 4: spill the beans. I tell everyone what happened. We have
Speaker 4: such an intense moment. It was very vulnerable on set
Speaker 4: because I remember being very nervous. I had my hands
Speaker 4: up under the interrogation table and I pressed my knees
Speaker 4: up against my hands just to like feel how uncomfortable
Speaker 4: it was because it's a really intense and vulnerable scene.
Speaker 4: And I remember in the sprit the the stage direction
Speaker 4: said Tory squirmed in her seat when Benson asks her something,
Speaker 4: and so I did that. I did what the stage
Speaker 4: direction said, and Marshkill looked at me and she was
Speaker 4: just like, you know you're doing that, and you take
Speaker 4: all the intensity out of the scene. I need you
Speaker 4: to look me dead in the eyes and feel it
Speaker 4: all internally. And she coached me through this scene and
Speaker 4: it was a very personal, very intense moment because she
Speaker 4: saw in me that I was able to do it.
Speaker 4: But then she was like, let's do this, and this
Speaker 4: is how we're going to get there, because she's done this,
Speaker 4: you know, million times. You know, she's she's done this
Speaker 4: scene where she's interrogating somebody over and over and so
Speaker 4: she knows how, you know, this special formula goes. But
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like she was just like, okay, carbon copy,
Speaker 4: here we go, copy paste whatever. She was looking at
Speaker 4: me and she was like, this is how you, as
Speaker 4: the actress, Sarah Lynne, is going to do this scene,
Speaker 4: and let's do it together. And then after that I
Speaker 4: think was the take that was used in the episode.
Speaker 4: It was like, it was a very intense moment. So
Speaker 4: I feel really grateful that I had that connection with
Speaker 4: her because she certainly doesn't have to follow me back
Speaker 4: on Instagram. She certainly and have to comment on my posts.
Speaker 4: But we shared a really uh intense day. Yeah, in
Speaker 4: the next couple of days actually.
Speaker 2: And did you watch your episode?
Speaker 4: Of course I did so. Yeah, we had a little
Speaker 4: viewing party. Actually, my mom flew out to New York
Speaker 4: and we watched it in real time, and so it
Speaker 4: was my mom, myself, my fiance, and our roommate all
Speaker 4: squished together on our couch and we're watching the show
Speaker 4: unfold and it was really funny. My fiance turned to everyone,
Speaker 4: you know, during a commercial breaking it was like, I
Speaker 4: think the killer's in the room with us. It was
Speaker 4: really funny and special. And then all my siblings on
Speaker 4: the West Coast back in California were watching it in
Speaker 4: real time California time. So then three hours later we
Speaker 4: did it again and watched it with that Oh cute.
Speaker 4: It was really special. I have a really good support
Speaker 4: system and everyone was really excited to see me do this.
Speaker 4: The look on my brother's face when I was like
Speaker 4: and I liked it, he was like he was really
Speaker 4: he was really uh weirded out by that. But he's
Speaker 4: a big supporter of mine.
Speaker 1: And you want a Jimmy I sure did.
Speaker 4: Twelve years ago. Oh my god, I'm huge. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: is huge. It's it's kind of surreal to think about
Speaker 4: because at that point in time, I had been rejected
Speaker 4: from every musical theater college I auditioned for, and so
Speaker 4: I was like, well, is this right for me? Maybe
Speaker 4: I should move to La and be a pop star
Speaker 4: or try to get in TV film like his musical
Speaker 4: theater my gig. And then I went to the Jimmy's
Speaker 4: and I won, and I was like, okay, Universe, what
Speaker 4: which sign should I listen to? But it was that
Speaker 4: was a whirlwind experience as well. But it's crazy to
Speaker 4: think how much my life has changed since then because
Speaker 4: I was twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: What are you doing now? You're in a hotel?
Speaker 4: Sorry to spill this, yes I am so it's okay.
Speaker 4: I am on the national tour of Kimberly A Kimbo,
Speaker 4: which was the Tony winning musical of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: So we are traveling the country. I've been on the
Speaker 4: road since September of last year, so a whole year
Speaker 4: so far, and we have about we're done in May,
Speaker 4: so what is that seven eight months ago?
Speaker 2: That's insane And.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because you know, obviously I was creeping on
Speaker 3: your Insta, as I've said, and like one of your
Speaker 3: pin posts is you like sending a text to somebody
Speaker 3: basically manifesting I want to be in Kimberly a Kimbo.
Speaker 3: I want to do the tour and then you've got it.
Speaker 3: And then you are do we Yeah, I love a
Speaker 3: manifest I love a manifestation come true.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a.
Speaker 4: Text that I had sent to one of my previous
Speaker 4: college professors then coach, and I would do private coachings
Speaker 4: with her, just telling her like what I was trying
Speaker 4: to focus on. And I knew that I wanted to
Speaker 4: be a part of the tour somehow, so I just
Speaker 4: told her. I was like, these are my goals, but
Speaker 4: you know, I just want to hit twenty twenty four hard.
Speaker 4: And then I did. I had SBU in February, and
Speaker 4: then I got the tour in August, and I am
Speaker 4: just really.
Speaker 2: And then you got engaged in discursis it right?
Speaker 4: And I got engaged in December twenty twenty four. Crazy
Speaker 4: for you. It was a big year for me.
Speaker 2: What's your dream role on Broadway?
Speaker 4: That's a really good question. Oh yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: it's been written yet. To be honest, I you know,
Speaker 4: what I really want to do with my career is
Speaker 4: break stereotypes of what people think that people who look
Speaker 4: like me can do. I have met so many multifaceted,
Speaker 4: multi talented people that you know, just haven't had the
Speaker 4: right opportunities and I want to continue to like push boundaries.
Speaker 4: So I want to play roles that people don't think
Speaker 4: that I can play. And that's something that I've experienced
Speaker 4: being on the road and even being on SVU. I've
Speaker 4: had people DM me on Instagram saying like he was
Speaker 4: really moving to see an essay survivor you know that
Speaker 4: was a plus size person because I feel like it's
Speaker 4: underrepresented because it is so real. I had someone call
Speaker 4: me a good friend and then call me and tears,
Speaker 4: just being like this was so beautiful and so spot on,
Speaker 4: thank you so much. So you know, it's it's tough,
Speaker 4: but I that's what I want to do. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that was a long winded answer, but I don't think
Speaker 4: it's I don't think it's out there yet. My dream role,
Speaker 4: my dream roles, just just keep keep doing it and
Speaker 4: keep telling stories.
Speaker 1: Cool, that's not so cliche at all. Well Yeah, well
Speaker 1: usually ask what's next, but we know what you're doing
Speaker 1: till May. Yeah, you're really busy.
Speaker 4: Well after I mean after May, I'm just planning my wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's basically the it's we're shooting for October of next year,
Speaker 4: so we're just about a year away. We have a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, details to finalize and things like that.
Speaker 4: We took our engagement photos on the subway, which was
Speaker 4: really cool and we just got those back so cute.
Speaker 4: We're going to be posting those. But yeah, Kimberly Kimbo,
Speaker 4: the engage photo, the engagement photos, they'll be dropping very soon.
Speaker 4: But yeah, just doing doing Kimberly a Kimbo. You know,
Speaker 4: the show is really special and because it has an
Speaker 4: end date, I was just like, well, let me just
Speaker 4: do it as long as I can, because once it's gone,
Speaker 4: it's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you guys are all over the We'll tell
Speaker 3: our listeners to go check it out.
Speaker 2: All over.
Speaker 3: The guys are all over the East co do in
Speaker 3: the South, oh yeah, and the South.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in the South for a lot right now.
Speaker 4: We come back up to the Midwest in the winter
Speaker 4: in like January and February, and then we're back down
Speaker 4: in Florida. We're in Florida this November and then in
Speaker 4: April of next year, so we're kind of like all
Speaker 4: over the place. We have already hit most of our
Speaker 4: West Coast stops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was looking. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not coming here to La or or it came.
Speaker 3: I missed it in La and we already came. Yeah
Speaker 3: it was last year. Oh damn, sorry I missed. I
Speaker 3: know because I was hearing so many great things about
Speaker 3: that on Broadway too, and I was thinking about going
Speaker 3: to see when it was on Broadway.
Speaker 1: But wait, you know what, this has been incredible, but
Speaker 1: we you got arrested by Iced Tea.
Speaker 2: Bye uh and yeah the yeah, we need the iced tea.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. So first things first,
Speaker 4: Iced Tea is like the coolest person I've ever met, Like,
Speaker 4: un ironically, this man is like dripping swag. He is
Speaker 4: so cool, and I was like, I felt like a
Speaker 4: little awkward teenager in his presence, and you know, he's
Speaker 4: just a force to be reckoned with as he is.
Speaker 4: But on set he was so caring and attentive. And
Speaker 4: every time they would yell cut, because you know, I
Speaker 4: have the handcuffs behind my back and he's walking me forward.
Speaker 4: Every time they would yell cut, he would undo the
Speaker 4: handcuffs and he said, I know these things are so
Speaker 4: uncomfortable and they'll never let you out of them. So
Speaker 4: he was like being so mindful to me and like
Speaker 4: my comfort and like because he's done this scene a
Speaker 4: million times where he's walking a purf out, but we're
Speaker 4: a couple of moments where he was guiding me out
Speaker 4: and I have my hands behind my back and the
Speaker 4: camera's up in my face and then we would like
Speaker 4: turn around, and twice I stepped on his foot and
Speaker 4: I've never been so embarrassed in my life. But it
Speaker 4: was it was so cool. That's we shot it. I
Speaker 4: think it was like seven am. That was a really
Speaker 4: early day on set because I guess they had several
Speaker 4: things to shoot after the fact. But we were in
Speaker 4: this random basement of this apartment building downtown because I
Speaker 4: was supposed to be arrested, you know, in my workplace,
Speaker 4: because I was supposed to be a superintendent of an
Speaker 4: apartment building. So yeah, that was I think we shot
Speaker 4: that scene. And a place to keep.
Speaker 3: All of your like buzz saws that you were using
Speaker 3: for all of your work.
Speaker 4: My bimetal job saw. It's just really funny that it's funny. Actually,
Speaker 4: the the bimetal job saw is like this long. It's
Speaker 4: like seven inches long, and it's basically like a pumpkin
Speaker 4: carving knife. It's a really tiny little saw. So it's
Speaker 4: just kind of funny to think about the fact that
Speaker 4: Tory had to dismember men with this tiny She's got to.
Speaker 2: Be like using like a turkey carve. That's so cra basically.
Speaker 4: Basically, but you know it was, you know, she enjoyed it,
Speaker 4: so yeah, what works for I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what a lady Dexter does, you know, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, damn Yeah, thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time to talk to us. Thank you great. Believe
Speaker 1: she's on the road. Go see Kimberly Akimbo if it's
Speaker 1: coming to your city. How fun.
Speaker 3: I love when someone takes the time to call into
Speaker 3: our pod from a hotel from the road.
Speaker 2: They're busy, but they're coming on and I want, I.
Speaker 1: Hope, I want to see wedding photos when they happen,
Speaker 1: and I want to Yeah, I want to know what
Speaker 1: the salsa scene is like in New York City, the salsa.
Speaker 2: She's cool. She was really cool. I think she's going
Speaker 2: to go on to.
Speaker 1: Do big things and soulsa of course we think about
Speaker 1: along King Polly, and of course Hank Kazaria is in
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 2: So just another time around out.
Speaker 1: Oh, maam, Oh my gosh, this was a good episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard not to cheer for. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want it in prison, but yeah, it's gotta go.
Speaker 1: It's the chopping. Maybe if she didn't do so much
Speaker 1: of the chopping. The chopping and the oh I mean
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of chopping. I really plugged along in Dexter yesterday.
Speaker 1: I've met the people, I've met all the people. I'm
Speaker 1: having a good time.
Speaker 3: Isn't it so soun It's a little silly, but it's
Speaker 3: really fun, Like, it's really fun fun. The dinklage of
Speaker 3: it all is like what's going on? But like, I
Speaker 3: think that's great. I think it's good that that show
Speaker 3: like embraces a little bit of camp and that they're
Speaker 3: not like.
Speaker 2: No, they are like, we are going to give these
Speaker 2: fans what they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's a ragtag team of killers and Dexter.
Speaker 2: And the cat as Hell.
Speaker 3: Jared walks by my bed where I'm watching, and he goes, Uma,
Speaker 3: Thurman's in this.
Speaker 2: I mean, like they got huge people to be in
Speaker 2: the And who's.
Speaker 1: The guy that did a podcast from first Class married
Speaker 1: to gs Machaka, Yeah, he's in it.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, oh somebody, Oh, I mean like
Speaker 3: Kristin Ritter, I love her.
Speaker 1: Don't trust the bee, you know, to get in an SVU,
Speaker 1: what the fuck should be perfect? Yes, she really would.
Speaker 3: I feel like she got really big, really fast or something,
Speaker 3: but she'd be good as like the main guest star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, they needed to go back to
Speaker 1: the Mafia days of Neil Baer. You want an Emmy,
Speaker 1: I'll get you an emmy. Yeah, come do the show.
Speaker 1: I'll get you an Emmy. Like we're like that exact
Speaker 1: thing again, like coming on and be and or getting
Speaker 1: people that you would never expect to do a procedural
Speaker 1: like that, like a Margaret Chow or like a Martin
Speaker 1: Short or whatever to come on. Bob Saggatt even, I
Speaker 1: think that was like so cool when they did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be you know, two podcast girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who could I can hand a bailiff piece of paper.
Speaker 3: I could be a bailiff, you know. All right, Uh,
Speaker 3: let's the post mortem on this.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you went to bailiff like the worst
Speaker 1: outfit you could possibly.
Speaker 2: Have for television.
Speaker 3: I know I was thinking of something that's like wordless,
Speaker 3: but I'd also really like like tip talk.
Speaker 2: I'd love to be like I would love to like own.
Speaker 1: We should stand up in the court for like in
Speaker 1: the galley for like something wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did it. He's lying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you told me you loved me. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got it. We've got it. It's got to be
Speaker 3: something good. But the post mortem on this is shit,
Speaker 3: Like they really these last fucking seasons, they went so
Speaker 3: gory with a lot of stuff just like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just killing another freak murder. I stay tuned. What
Speaker 1: we're doing, another fucked up episode. Yeah, we're a fucked
Speaker 1: up episode.
Speaker 2: I wonder I take a guess. I bet they can. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We used to just be like, oh, they killed a pedophile,
Speaker 3: and now it's like they killed a p file, sawed
Speaker 3: them up, wrap them up.
Speaker 2: Laid them out. Like it's just it's so like okay.
Speaker 1: But I I mean they did keep talking about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the acting is really good in this one. I
Speaker 2: do like, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, that's how she that's how it happened. I feel
Speaker 1: like I watched it. I was like, we gotta get
Speaker 1: this girl. Yeah this is in audible. Yeah she was amazing,
Speaker 1: And I don't know how the show became inside the
Speaker 1: Actors Studio. But it did slowly, but Shirley, it really did.
Speaker 1: When you get to the Pearly Gates, what would you
Speaker 1: like to hear? God say?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like literally we're like, and what's your favorite
Speaker 3: craft services snack?
Speaker 1: It is fun and it's like unfortunately me included. The
Speaker 1: world is like I guess like starfuckers out about and
Speaker 1: that is what. And when you tell people you have
Speaker 1: a podcast, they're like okay, and then you go why
Speaker 1: Clef was on and they go, oh, okay, Like for summary,
Speaker 1: or if it's a stew fan, you can be like
Speaker 1: got Craig and they're like, wait, you got beauty Wall
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like for like, that is
Speaker 1: the part that legitimizes it to people that you're like
Speaker 1: talking to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because otherwise have any idea. It's just you and
Speaker 3: your friend talking about bullshit.
Speaker 1: Which it would be fine and cool too, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it makes it seem legit to people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what who did we have where our friend? He's
Speaker 1: the priest in American Horror Story. We loved him?
Speaker 3: Oh and a priest in this Dennis O'Hair. Wow, that
Speaker 3: came out of nowhere. Dennis o' hair.
Speaker 1: Our friend was like, oh, I couldn't believe you got him.
Speaker 1: I go, excuse me. We've had an Oscar winner, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Yeah, thank you very much. And I
Speaker 1: think we've had tony winners. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Our podcast Grammy got yeah, an Emmy.
Speaker 3: Because we've had Attie Griffin, so we've got it as
Speaker 3: a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, we should make an infographic, yes we should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the police. We have a little side project for you, producer.
Speaker 1: And this guest from today, Sarahlynn won the Jimmy, so
Speaker 1: we were g got wet. And if we're eve, if
Speaker 1: we've e've gouided, we've definitely globed. Yeah, like if because
Speaker 1: if people want Emmys, and also they've won the Globes
Speaker 1: for the things too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah Marcia Gay won the Globe for somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I'll figure out for next, Like
Speaker 1: Marishka's definitely won a Globe if she just want an Emmy.
Speaker 2: I feel like I just I feel like it's happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought we've had.
Speaker 3: Yes, not that we've had her, but one day. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's move on to our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: This is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 3: an organization, a book, a documentary thing to give you
Speaker 3: more info about what we talked about today. And I
Speaker 3: was noticing in when I looked up this crime really
Speaker 3: quickly that Brigitte Harris, who killed her pedophile father, that
Speaker 3: when she was interviewed from prison, she said that she
Speaker 3: looked forward to advocating for this one group called Steps
Speaker 3: to End Family Violence. So this week we're directing you
Speaker 3: to that organization. It's actually that organizations called Rising Ground.
Speaker 3: It's a social services organization in New York City. It's
Speaker 3: a huge organization that provides multiple services including youth development,
Speaker 3: foster care, and immigration services. And they specifically have this
Speaker 3: program called Steps to End Family Violence. I think they
Speaker 3: have another program called just Us that's like for women
Speaker 3: in LGBT, so that's another great program. But this one
Speaker 3: is Steps to End Family Violence, which is their collection
Speaker 3: of domestic violence programs that seeks to heal and prevent
Speaker 3: family violence. And Brigitte Harris said she wanted to work
Speaker 3: with this organization after she got out of prison, and
Speaker 3: I believe they did a lot of work with the
Speaker 3: Bedford Crictional I believe is where she was imprisoned and
Speaker 3: they do a lot of work with those inmates. So
Speaker 3: for more info or to donate, head over to Risingground
Speaker 3: dot org and that will be linked in our show
Speaker 3: notes as usual, and we'll be posted in a Instagram
Speaker 3: story on our That's Messed Up pod Instagram account and
Speaker 3: saved forever in our WWSPD highlights.
Speaker 1: Next week we'll be doing rape Interrupted from season eighteen,
Speaker 1: episode five. Sorry I said that kind of like a newscaster.
Speaker 1: But you know, now that I've raged for so much
Speaker 1: this episode, I kind of like, now you're tired.
Speaker 2: Now I'm tired, and app I need a moment, I
Speaker 2: mean like a moment from all Right.
Speaker 3: We're gonna let Lisa sleep and we are going to
Speaker 3: see you guys next week.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
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