Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Now,
Speaker 1: bellow everyone, and welcome to the show. My name is Noel, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I am Ben. We are as always joined in
Speaker 1: spirit by our producer and co host Matt. Let's see
Speaker 1: what's foul we call them today? I mean, I like
Speaker 1: the alliteration of the madman, what about Matt, the militants, Frederick.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good, that's approca. So before we start
Speaker 1: today's episode, Noel, I was thinking that we could we
Speaker 1: could have a little bit of a tangential conversation. Sure,
Speaker 1: okay with that course, all right. I'm fond of the tangent,
Speaker 1: fond of the tangent. Yes, all right. So have you
Speaker 1: ever observed in real life a a widespread like a panic.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that. You know, there's that
Speaker 1: jam band called widespread Panic. Yeah, I don't know. I was.
Speaker 1: I was fighting not to make a joke about it.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna come out. It's fine, let it come. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, I mean nothing, um,
Speaker 1: definitely no form of like mass hysteria, or any kind
Speaker 1: of situation where I felt threatened or I felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, things are out of hand. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: actually now now now that now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: I did go to a Creed concert um when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and I did feel like there was
Speaker 1: some you know, that were on the edge of pandemonium,
Speaker 1: really playing my my own prison. I mean, Creed exudes
Speaker 1: a certain kind of energy that just gets into you
Speaker 1: and makes you do crazy stuff. So that's the closest
Speaker 1: situation that I can think of. And we've all been
Speaker 1: in a similar situation, folks. You know, you've you've been
Speaker 1: in a school or a building where fire alarm goes
Speaker 1: off and you usually people proceed in an orderly manner
Speaker 1: until they actually see the flames or shale the smoke. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of our listeners have been in riot situations, have
Speaker 1: been in combat situations, have been in you know, on
Speaker 1: the scene of tremendous catastrophes, right, And what we notice
Speaker 1: often is that in today's day and age, it's easier
Speaker 1: now than ever before for an event or rumors about
Speaker 1: an event to spread across the world. It's so much easier.
Speaker 1: You're just to click away from talking to someone on
Speaker 1: the other side of the planet. So what we're looking
Speaker 1: at today is something sort of related to these things.
Speaker 1: We are coming back to update you on jade Helm fifteen.
Speaker 1: So first I guess we have to say what what
Speaker 1: is jade Helm fifteen. Well, a little background. Jade Helm
Speaker 1: fifteen was a multi state military exercise that took place
Speaker 1: from July fift September UM. So this was basically an
Speaker 1: exercise and unconventional warfare, and then it evolved the US
Speaker 1: Army Special Operations Command and the Joint Special Operations Command,
Speaker 1: with other U S Armed Forces units also involved. It
Speaker 1: happened in the following states in Texas, Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and Utah. Yeah, and naps of the exercise,
Speaker 1: which you should check out if you're at all interested
Speaker 1: in that. Maps of the exercise included areas of the
Speaker 1: US like Colorado or California where there weren't any operations planned.
Speaker 1: So here's what happens. The troops involved in the exercise
Speaker 1: are playing on two different teams. They're either occupying forces
Speaker 1: or resistance forces, and they're fighting each other and testing
Speaker 1: out these techniques in sparsely populated areas near small towns,
Speaker 1: and some of the troops in this these scenarios wore
Speaker 1: civilian clothes and drove civilian vehicles. The exercise originally was
Speaker 1: supposed to have the Creme de la Creme from four
Speaker 1: military branches, but it was reduced along the way to
Speaker 1: only include two hundred Special Operation Forces and three hundred
Speaker 1: support personnel, with about seven hundred members of the Second
Speaker 1: Airborne traveling to Texas to train for like a week
Speaker 1: in August. And no, you remember that earlier in May,
Speaker 1: we did an episode on jade Helm before it happened, right,
Speaker 1: and we there was a lot of concern people were,
Speaker 1: people were, let's say a little worried, and we read
Speaker 1: a lot of strange stuff about it too. So today
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what actually happened during jade Helm.
Speaker 1: If you want to hear some of the background, check
Speaker 1: out our earlier podcast in May. Uh, and maybe we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the social psychology behind widespread panic. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's the joke. It's such a horrible joke. We mean
Speaker 1: the phenomenon, not the band. The band's all right, though,
Speaker 1: Do you ever listen to him. I'm gonna say, you know,
Speaker 1: I U I had a couple of songs there, so
Speaker 1: I would put on for writing music, just for like,
Speaker 1: you know, the really instrumental stuff. I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in Athens, and they came out of there
Speaker 1: originally and they are pretty revered, but it was never
Speaker 1: really my scene. Never really are seen a jam bandman,
Speaker 1: A jam bandman. All right. I like that phrase, jam bandman,
Speaker 1: fun desaver. Sure it is fun to say. All right, So,
Speaker 1: speaking of amazing segues, Noel, let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: those reports, some of those crazy things we heard, and
Speaker 1: let's start with the alleged stuff. So the biggest, I
Speaker 1: guess you can say shady thing that occurred was the
Speaker 1: closure of Walmart stores. And this is actually, I mean,
Speaker 1: before you know, doing the research for this UM, the
Speaker 1: one detail that I really remember being playing up in
Speaker 1: arms about. It's like, oh, what's happening. They're closing Walmart
Speaker 1: and armagedon right right right? UM, So there was, you know,
Speaker 1: these these closures of Walmart stores across the areas, and
Speaker 1: believers in these this particular conspiracy, I suppose UM allowed
Speaker 1: to the stores were closing to reopen as internment camps,
Speaker 1: I suppose. So when when when did this happen? How
Speaker 1: to go down? Walmart closed five stores in April, laying
Speaker 1: off more than employees in California, Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida
Speaker 1: due to ongoing plumbing issues. Yeah, that was the official explanation,
Speaker 1: was that there were persistent plumbing issues, so they need
Speaker 1: to close the stores for what six months to a
Speaker 1: year or something. And some of the things that we
Speaker 1: heard people saying, or that these stores were being closed
Speaker 1: only to be reopened as warehouses or internment centers right
Speaker 1: to um to keep the local population. That was and
Speaker 1: in step with the new world order. But we have
Speaker 1: an update about six months later. Do we have an
Speaker 1: official statement from Walmart? Uh? The official statement from Walmart
Speaker 1: was that this was entirely unrelated and that it was
Speaker 1: seriously just due to plumbing issues. A shame. But it
Speaker 1: seems strange because we talked about this in a previous episode.
Speaker 1: It seems strange that it will close so suddenly because
Speaker 1: the employees had no idea. I mean, I I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever heard of a Walmart closing. I think
Speaker 1: Walmarts are just infinite, you know. Yeah, it reminds me
Speaker 1: of the There's this really interesting thing that leaf. It
Speaker 1: might be FEMA that has it called the waffle House Index.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of that? So it's a measure of disasters,
Speaker 1: like the the degree of a disaster in an area
Speaker 1: can be measured by how it affects the waffle houses
Speaker 1: because they're the most likely things to remain open. So
Speaker 1: there is a legit waffle house index for people who
Speaker 1: are not from the South. I guess we shouldn't assume
Speaker 1: that everyone knows about waffle house. How would we describe
Speaker 1: waffle house? It's a dinner I guess, like a crappy
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the name is pretty accurate. It's a
Speaker 1: waffle house. This house certain waffles, certain a lot of waffles. Uh.
Speaker 1: You have a jukebox with waffle house themed music on
Speaker 1: it and in addition to your typical honky tonk kind
Speaker 1: of you know, natsy kline things like that. And they're
Speaker 1: all over they're all over the Southeast, and they're been
Speaker 1: twenty four hours and they're open twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: They rarely closed. They've been opened during um lizards, steering floods,
Speaker 1: steering hurricanes. Uh, that is why. That's why there's this
Speaker 1: waffle House index, which makes me wonder why we don't
Speaker 1: have a Walmart index. You know, that seems like it
Speaker 1: would be even a larger scale. They did close multiple stores, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they closed five, and but they were not in the
Speaker 1: same area where they know. They weren't in the same area,
Speaker 1: They were in different eights. So how how could there
Speaker 1: be unrelated plumbing issues at at stores in different states
Speaker 1: at the same time they would need to close the
Speaker 1: stores for all the same time. Great question, because some
Speaker 1: other people who did not buy the official explanation would
Speaker 1: be the employees of these stores, those over people, and
Speaker 1: many of them believed that the stores were being closed,
Speaker 1: particularly one in California, because the employees were organizing unionizing
Speaker 1: essentially for better pay, better hours, more equity in the workplace.
Speaker 1: And it's true that Walmart had been found guilty of
Speaker 1: doing the same kind of retaliation closing in Canada earlier.
Speaker 1: That does ring true. That sounds a little more likely.
Speaker 1: But six months later Walmart reopened the stores and they
Speaker 1: invited former employees back to their jobs. I love that
Speaker 1: you use the word invited. Come on back, open arms.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you know you have to wonder. I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from one of those employees. You have to
Speaker 1: wonder what their perspective is. Absolutely, and please if anyone
Speaker 1: listening you know, was in that situation, please please send
Speaker 1: the letters interesting stuff. Well, let's let's move on from
Speaker 1: Walmart to some other kind of red flags. UM. One
Speaker 1: of them is widespread outages, reports of widespread outages in
Speaker 1: these areas that we're hosting these uh, these war games Internet. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's basically the idea that multiple communication channels, whether
Speaker 1: cell signals, Internet service, et cetera, cut out or we're
Speaker 1: somehow interfered with all the same time around these events. UM.
Speaker 1: And we couldn't personally, um confirm a lot of these reports,
Speaker 1: but they're definitely out there. They're being discussed, right. And
Speaker 1: the question there is, uh, the questionnaire is one of
Speaker 1: you know, coincidence or collusion to everybody's had crappy cell
Speaker 1: phone surface or cable service before, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we we live in a land notorious for that. So
Speaker 1: what it let's speculate a all noll if this were
Speaker 1: to occur, if there were a concerted effort to cut
Speaker 1: communication channels, which we know is possible in the US
Speaker 1: has done it before. Why would they do it to
Speaker 1: what end? You know, I mean, if we're spitballing here,
Speaker 1: I guess they maybe wouldn't want um reports of the
Speaker 1: locations of these, you know, these exercises to go out.
Speaker 1: They weren't want people to be blogging about it. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't want, you know, people to be causing the fuss
Speaker 1: that I mean, that sounds that sounds reasonable, I suppose,
Speaker 1: But but again, I just I don't understand why these
Speaker 1: exercises needed to be so secretive in the first place. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: uh there Well, one one thing that we could say
Speaker 1: about that is they would need to be secretive so
Speaker 1: that other forces, other foreign powers don't know the nuts
Speaker 1: and bolts of how they couldn't observe. But I, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's something that again is just spitballing. It seems reasonable,
Speaker 1: but I haven't heard the official rationale for it. There's
Speaker 1: another concern here, one of these alleged concerns which was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting to me and kind of far out. It
Speaker 1: was one of the most fringe concerns we heard, and
Speaker 1: it was that the US was secretly preparing for an
Speaker 1: asteroid impact some heavy you know, apocalyptic into the world
Speaker 1: type stuff, you know, which I think is uh an
Speaker 1: exciting idea. Yeah, it's almost like Bruce Willis and his
Speaker 1: crew of rag tag blue collar workers weren't able to
Speaker 1: blow up the asteroid in time. And so this was
Speaker 1: the plan B, right, right, the plan B to contain
Speaker 1: the area. And if you look at the map, then
Speaker 1: because the states are primarily contiguous, you know, it looks
Speaker 1: like there's a specific region marked out. So one of
Speaker 1: the things that one of the things that really propelled
Speaker 1: this belief was the the actions of religious fundamental to
Speaker 1: believe that an asteroid impact would usher in the the apocalypse,
Speaker 1: biblical apocalypse and the end times, yes, and that there
Speaker 1: would be seven I think it's horsemen for them. They
Speaker 1: doubled up on the host, almost doubled up, uh. They
Speaker 1: they believed that there would be a period of tribulation, rapture,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And so this group is a little
Speaker 1: bit different in comparison to the other groups who believe
Speaker 1: there was an asteroid impact because their predictions were based
Speaker 1: on interpretations of ancient texts, right, rather than contemporary events.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people began to believe this and
Speaker 1: so many, in fact that eventually NASA had to had
Speaker 1: to take to the internet. What did they have to
Speaker 1: say about it? Yeah, they had to put out a
Speaker 1: statement that said, guys, probably not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: You have the text here too, right, could you do uh? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, I sure you okay, So could you
Speaker 1: do uh? Like an interpretation? Here's my best my best
Speaker 1: PR voice. NASA knows of no asteroid or comment currently
Speaker 1: on collision course with Earth, so the probability of a
Speaker 1: major collision is quite small. In fact, as best as
Speaker 1: we can tell, no large object is likely to strike
Speaker 1: the Earth anytime in the next several hundred years. No
Speaker 1: further questions, No further questions. That was pretty good. That
Speaker 1: was good. That was a good PR voice. So here's
Speaker 1: one of the problems with this idea. Well, it would
Speaker 1: be so so very difficult to keep an impact event
Speaker 1: like this secret, or the threat of one, just because
Speaker 1: even if everybody in NASA said, yeah, yeah, secrets are cool,
Speaker 1: let's let's keep a secret, always one a secret. Why not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What just you know, for fun? Yeah, okay, it'll be
Speaker 1: We're gonna shamalan these guys. I love it too. That's
Speaker 1: how NaSTA people in Nassat's like, we'll pull We'll pull
Speaker 1: a shamalama dingo, right Uh, ska doo skadoo. But that's
Speaker 1: the problem. Even if NASA was on board with this
Speaker 1: and the US government, there are so many other astronomers, institutions, states, organization, colleges,
Speaker 1: I mean colleges yet actively watching the sky. Someone else
Speaker 1: would find out about this. So we also have that's
Speaker 1: that's our alleged stuff, but we also have some proven
Speaker 1: things that happened, right. Uh. The basic one is that
Speaker 1: it has proven that the the exercise was actually conducted
Speaker 1: and all those operations did occur. The military cautiously describes
Speaker 1: it as successful, though they point out they haven't conducted
Speaker 1: a full post exercise analysis, as this something that they
Speaker 1: do periodically, Like I mean, is it was this like
Speaker 1: a new idea to do something like this, like in
Speaker 1: civilian areas. This may be a no, it is not.
Speaker 1: This may be one of the largest but and it
Speaker 1: may use different or newer techniques. But military exercises are necessary, arguably,
Speaker 1: and they occur fairly often. They do occur periodically, not
Speaker 1: just here in the US, but around the world. And
Speaker 1: we talked about that I think a little bit in
Speaker 1: our last episode. You know, you can read how when
Speaker 1: tensions rise in some countries North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Russia,
Speaker 1: the Middle East, than other states will begin doing military exercises,
Speaker 1: you know, right off the coast or right around there. Uh.
Speaker 1: These drills are necessary to make sure that the enormous
Speaker 1: amounts of money government spend on hardware and weapon rein
Speaker 1: soldiers actually is worth it. You know that you get
Speaker 1: the literal bang for your butt. Right. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: not proud of that one, but but yes, uh, there's
Speaker 1: there's no the thing it was proven here. Tremendously controversial
Speaker 1: figure during this debate was a fellow named Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: good old Alex Jones, good old a j as as. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has never asked us to call Actually we I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Matt's spoken with Alex Jones
Speaker 1: in person either. I haven't, now, have you. I tried
Speaker 1: to get him. I almost got him. Actually, um. I
Speaker 1: made a little documentary several years ago. Um and uh.
Speaker 1: He was an outspoken critic of the subject of the documentary,
Speaker 1: which was the Georgia guidestones. And I got up one
Speaker 1: of his people, and they remailing back pretty regularly and
Speaker 1: then just kind of stopped him. So but it's not
Speaker 1: like it was gonna happen, but then it didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't even really know that much about him at the time,
Speaker 1: but since I realized though he's probably highly paranoid, doesn't
Speaker 1: talk to very many people. Well, it's probably very very busy.
Speaker 1: He's very busy. But I thought I get a sense
Speaker 1: that he likes to control his channels, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you know, because I mean my film,
Speaker 1: there was potential that he could have been taken out
Speaker 1: of context. I think he likes to control the medium
Speaker 1: of the delivery of his messages. Oh that makes sense,
Speaker 1: because you don't wanna Yeah, that that does make sense.
Speaker 1: He would have to be very protective of that. And
Speaker 1: it's easy in especially in documentaries, for people to be
Speaker 1: taking out of content. For the record, I think that's
Speaker 1: a great documentary. We've talked about on the show before.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, right to us, if you
Speaker 1: were at all interested in the Georgia guidestones. So Alex
Speaker 1: Jones in this case, he covers a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of flak and ridicule in the
Speaker 1: mainstream for the way he talked about Jade Helm. Uh.
Speaker 1: People said that he was being alarmist and he was
Speaker 1: making wild claims about the takeover of the US, you know,
Speaker 1: very red downish um for different reasons. He said that
Speaker 1: he was instead pointing out that the exercise was kind
Speaker 1: of a frog and a pot thing, you know, the
Speaker 1: old metaphor for cooking frogs. No, I'm afraid I'm not
Speaker 1: aware of Well I don't. It's not a metaphor. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a comparison. Uh So, the idea, and this is
Speaker 1: familiar to a lot of our listeners, is that you
Speaker 1: can cook frogs by putting them in water and slowly
Speaker 1: turning up the heat. Because if it slowly turns up
Speaker 1: at a certain rate, then they will not panic and
Speaker 1: jump out, but they will slowly boil to death because
Speaker 1: once you work your way up to a boil, it's
Speaker 1: too late. So this idea is somewhat similar when he
Speaker 1: when Alex Jones says, well, these are conducted to familiarize
Speaker 1: people with this concept of an over an overarching the
Speaker 1: police stage. That's a perfect word. No, it's perfect term.
Speaker 1: So he saw this as the boil being turned up
Speaker 1: just a little bit more uh, And he also said
Speaker 1: he also said that jade Helm the last part was
Speaker 1: an acronym for homeland eradication of local militants. And I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't think the government would
Speaker 1: be that on the nose. But it does show us
Speaker 1: that his audience, or some part of his audience, was
Speaker 1: concerned that this exercise was meant to root out local
Speaker 1: militias and other groups or individuals able to defend each
Speaker 1: other against the military. So is that who would have
Speaker 1: been interred in the Walmarts militia? Right? And one thing
Speaker 1: that's interesting about this is that that in the past
Speaker 1: has been legitimate concern on both sides. You know, we
Speaker 1: we hear about local armed groups numerous times, and I
Speaker 1: can't you know, for a couple of reasons, I can't
Speaker 1: provide a solid source on this, but I can assure you,
Speaker 1: or I can't compromise the source, I guess, but I
Speaker 1: can assure you that secessionist groups are far more widespread
Speaker 1: than the media would have you believe. We've talked about
Speaker 1: it briefly here on the air as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: here in Georgia there's like a sovereign State of Georgia.
Speaker 1: And these are the people who have their own license
Speaker 1: plates or own ideas, have signs posted up saying this
Speaker 1: is not us property, you are not allowed here, claiming
Speaker 1: diplomatic community, none of which, of course, is acknowledged by
Speaker 1: the courts. So there is it is important to know
Speaker 1: that there is a culture of secessionists, but they are
Speaker 1: different from a culture of what you would call, you know,
Speaker 1: local military groups or people who are exercising the right
Speaker 1: to be armed, which in this country is a right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can think of a militia
Speaker 1: sort of a an armed to the teeth neighborhood watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, or in constitutionally it was kind of
Speaker 1: an insurance policy, right. But anyhow, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: pretty touchy subject for a lot of people. It's something
Speaker 1: we can come back to later. But how did jade
Speaker 1: Helm get in the mainstream to begin with? It's because
Speaker 1: politicians got involved, right So Texas Governor Greg Abbott was
Speaker 1: prominent among the politicians, asking for more information and listing
Speaker 1: the local Texas police forces to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the jade Helm activities. Senator Ted Cruz also asked for
Speaker 1: more information. So this really catapulted it into the mainstream. However,
Speaker 1: now that now that the exercise is over and there
Speaker 1: is not a one world government in charge of the region. Uh,
Speaker 1: now that we know that we know of that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that that has occurred, Um, the a lot of
Speaker 1: the people who were talking about this are not as talkative.
Speaker 1: I noticed that, and we did a Paris copying the
Speaker 1: other day and this came up, and I admittedly kind
Speaker 1: of the lost track of the story. And as we've discussed,
Speaker 1: for good reason, because the story just sort of fizzled
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, right, the and let's point
Speaker 1: out some other military exercises that also occurred. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: Bold Alligator Love that name. Yeah, it's a naval exercise
Speaker 1: where thousands of marines and sailors uh do amphibious landings
Speaker 1: and they try to prevent insurgent groups in a fictional
Speaker 1: country called Garnet. And that's actually something around the border
Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida. And then that there's another one, right.
Speaker 1: Another example is this exercise called Robins Sage, in which
Speaker 1: US Special Forces support fictional guerilla forces in numerous counties
Speaker 1: across North Carolina. UM, Green Beret soldiers work to liberate
Speaker 1: another fictional country called them pine Land or pine Land,
Speaker 1: I like Pineland, that sounds better, and operate in very
Speaker 1: close proximity to civilians. You are, you know, for the
Speaker 1: record warned that they may hear blanks being fired. Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the Marine Special Operations troop exercise that's
Speaker 1: called Derna Bridge. And this is also in this in
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Western South Carolina and as activities in the
Speaker 1: Sumter National Forest. Here's something that did happen though. There
Speaker 1: were altercations that are on record between the military and
Speaker 1: civilians wherein civilians were firing on or attacking or planning
Speaker 1: planning some activities. Just in case jade Helm went sideways
Speaker 1: went pair shaped. Three North Carolina men, a guy named
Speaker 1: Walter Litteral, Christopher Barker, and Christopher Campbell were arrested for
Speaker 1: amassing weapons and conspiring to combat the government's alleged plan
Speaker 1: to impose martial law. These guys had pipe bombs and
Speaker 1: they had some They had some legal weapons and some
Speaker 1: illegal weapons. As far as I know, they didn't attack anyone.
Speaker 1: They were just caught on record. They just they kind
Speaker 1: of opted to wait and see, right, And I think
Speaker 1: literal who was the leader of the group. The de
Speaker 1: fact a leader had also booby trapped his house, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of this is my thing. They
Speaker 1: were amassing legal weapons, but they hadn't attacked anyone. There's
Speaker 1: a different case in Mississippi where a sheriff said authorities
Speaker 1: are searching for two men who fired gunshots from a
Speaker 1: vehicle at soldiers at a military facility. Uh and this
Speaker 1: was at Camp Shelby and Hattiesburg, Mississippi. UH And it
Speaker 1: happened like two days, happened multiple days. So what we're
Speaker 1: finding now is that despite concerns over the possibilities of
Speaker 1: jade Helm, there was not a takeover as some had feared.
Speaker 1: But other people who objected to jade Helm, most notably
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, say that this is part of a slow
Speaker 1: program to remove local resistance to federal power, and at
Speaker 1: this point, that is where we are, and that's where
Speaker 1: we are with jade Hell. No one was interned, the
Speaker 1: walmarts reopened. But we are also left with with some questions,
Speaker 1: some questions that go into not just this specific instance,
Speaker 1: but in larger instances. And one of those questions is
Speaker 1: how do these how do these panics occur, right, What
Speaker 1: what is it about human psychology or group psychology that
Speaker 1: allows people to get so caught up in an issue?
Speaker 1: And then why with the current online culture, why do
Speaker 1: these things become such flashes in the pan Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean especially let me look at like the sale on
Speaker 1: witch trials for example. You know that was all word
Speaker 1: of mouth, um, little bits of misinformation based on first
Speaker 1: person accounts or something that mayor amount of actually taken
Speaker 1: place in that particular way, spreading via word amount. Now
Speaker 1: you know you've got fifty different pieces of misinformation that
Speaker 1: are disseminated instantly, you know, over numerous online channels. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's really no end to it. It's just like an
Speaker 1: it's exponentially easier for this kind of thing, this kind
Speaker 1: of information to spread. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you made that, because the barrier for communication
Speaker 1: and what we would call the cost of communication is
Speaker 1: so much lower. And you and I have talked about
Speaker 1: this software before, about how quickly and strangely these things
Speaker 1: can rise and fall. In our last episode we talked
Speaker 1: about Martin Screlly, and one of the most fascinating things
Speaker 1: I think you pointed out was that this story was
Speaker 1: up and down within a week. I mean it was, honestly,
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways a day. There was definitely
Speaker 1: more out there, but the majority of the back and
Speaker 1: forth and the you know, the Twitter rampage age, pitchfork
Speaker 1: waving kind of scenario that led to him more or
Speaker 1: less backing down from his position kind of took place
Speaker 1: within the span of a day. And it's also true
Speaker 1: that jade Helme itself did capture this national attention. It
Speaker 1: became a subject of national debate. There was a there
Speaker 1: was a poll by the Public Policy Polling in May
Speaker 1: off and it found that one third of people identifying
Speaker 1: as Republicans believed that the jade Helm exercise was about
Speaker 1: the government trying to take over Texas and another third
Speaker 1: hadn't made their minds up yet. So a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe that something fishy was afoot.
Speaker 1: And and I think this is just me speculating here
Speaker 1: in folks, but I think part of this comes from
Speaker 1: the absence of transparency. You're not letting journalists observe events,
Speaker 1: um and if there were blackouts. As people allege human beings,
Speaker 1: we are analytical, we think in categories right. We fill
Speaker 1: in blanks, and we fill in blanks exactly, so we
Speaker 1: begin generating our own explanations, and those explanations that we
Speaker 1: generate are based upon our pre existing beliefs or values, right,
Speaker 1: which is why the same ambiguous events can mean two
Speaker 1: very different things to people. We heard, we heard allegations
Speaker 1: that this was part of a plan to prevent Russia
Speaker 1: from assisting, uh, the annexation of the U. S State
Speaker 1: by Mexico, which seems very far out there. Uh, let's see.
Speaker 1: We heard asteroids. We heard that there was going to
Speaker 1: be a construction beneath the ground and that was part
Speaker 1: of it. And of all these things we heard, what
Speaker 1: we found at the conclusion of this on September fifteen,
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, was that most of it, most of
Speaker 1: those concerns didn't come to fruition. And this doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that jade Helm is by any means a good thing,
Speaker 1: because it leads to the larger question of why, um,
Speaker 1: why the military would be doing this domestic activity. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit on the periscope,
Speaker 1: and this was interesting initiating point that you brought up
Speaker 1: that I hadn't occurred to me is they need to
Speaker 1: be able to train in different terrains, like in different
Speaker 1: real world scenarios, and especially like in a pretty arid,
Speaker 1: you know, climate like Texas, very similar to some of
Speaker 1: the desert situations that they you know, end up in
Speaker 1: on they're deployed. Sure, But then the other question is
Speaker 1: at what point does it unreasonably impinge upon the lives
Speaker 1: of US citizens or residents, you know, is is there
Speaker 1: a line should ALIGNE exists? Well, my question is did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like it didn't. From the reports we've heard.
Speaker 1: It seems like the main and the main civility ends
Speaker 1: that were affected by this were people who were involved
Speaker 1: in crime just in case crime, or are people that
Speaker 1: were seeking it out and trying to more or less
Speaker 1: fight back or at least you know, counter threat to it,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And then there's the other one of
Speaker 1: the questions that people also said was that this was
Speaker 1: an intelligence operation. It was about informational awareness. Informational awareness
Speaker 1: being this concept that or the informational awareness being this
Speaker 1: idea that you can trace all electronic activity. You want
Speaker 1: to know as much as you can about every individual
Speaker 1: or group and their interactions between each other, that's an
Speaker 1: essay stuff, you know, and uh that that is completely
Speaker 1: plausible and that impinges upon people's lives far more than
Speaker 1: a then a military exercise outside of your town, right
Speaker 1: and unfortunate. That's because that stuff is still warrantless. There
Speaker 1: is pretty much oh effective supervision, and there's not really
Speaker 1: a means of recourse for the average person you and
Speaker 1: I included, as well as you listeners, as well as
Speaker 1: you met. Sorry, but but let's look at some other
Speaker 1: examples of of these kinds of hands. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: my favorite of these, because I remember exactly where I
Speaker 1: was when this went down, was Y two k, Y
Speaker 1: two k, Y two k K not visitors now someone, No,
Speaker 1: definitely not so much made of Y two k. This
Speaker 1: belief that because of the specifications of computer date keeping
Speaker 1: right like it was too place digits exactly the year
Speaker 1: two thousand would cause massive internal errors and computer programs
Speaker 1: across the place, the possibly throwing the world into economic
Speaker 1: and social term while including financial systems, data storage at
Speaker 1: corporations you know, to your own personal computer, Wall street crashes,
Speaker 1: all deaths are erased because they no longer exist. Satellites
Speaker 1: fall from the sky right fire, there were massive reactions
Speaker 1: to this. I mean people were going so far as
Speaker 1: to hoard like water supplies. Walmart's got cleaned out the
Speaker 1: night before, of people getting gas masks and you know,
Speaker 1: like purified water and you know, in bulk and you know,
Speaker 1: food and things like that. Now, you and I differ
Speaker 1: on this preps, but I think it's a good idea
Speaker 1: to have those things. And I mean I think it
Speaker 1: probably is too. I'm just saying it's when it's specifically
Speaker 1: tied to a theory about a thing that may or
Speaker 1: may not happen, at that point, you're probably not thinking
Speaker 1: that enough, you know. Yeah, absolutely, I'm sure. I think
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with being prepared or the unknown, and
Speaker 1: there's also a group mentality at work there too, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean it was reported widely. You know, there were
Speaker 1: cameras in the Walmarts showing all the empty shelves and
Speaker 1: you know, no more food, bread, eggs, things like that.
Speaker 1: People just sort of like, what happens when or what
Speaker 1: happened with the snow apocalypse here in Atlanta. It's like
Speaker 1: all these reports of the grocery stores with the shelves
Speaker 1: completely cleaned out. It was very much to that kind
Speaker 1: of situation. Oh boy, and uh you you listeners in
Speaker 1: northern climbs, Uh laugh, we're laughing or laughing so hard
Speaker 1: on it. It was. It was strange because you know,
Speaker 1: Matt and I made a video about how we couldn't
Speaker 1: make a video because of this because the city of
Speaker 1: Atlanta shut down. It was just not prepared. It all
Speaker 1: goes back not to be too much of a boy
Speaker 1: scout about it, but it all goes back to preparation.
Speaker 1: The city had what three snowplows maybe in the entire city,
Speaker 1: and so it was bonkers out there. One of my friends,
Speaker 1: who is a special ed teacher, uh had to stay
Speaker 1: at the school overnight and take care of all these
Speaker 1: kids whose parents didn't get them all right, t guy
Speaker 1: is he um had to basically sleep in his car
Speaker 1: because everything was at such a standstill. And back back
Speaker 1: to y took though I do feel like, not exactly
Speaker 1: the same, but a similar kind of panic that was
Speaker 1: very observable for us. And yeah, and that's that's a
Speaker 1: really good point that if we could talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some of the psychology behind these things. Of First,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to underline and say this, Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think ridiculing people is the right way to
Speaker 1: approach these kind of things because the idea of a
Speaker 1: government takeover of a town or a city or a place,
Speaker 1: right is plausible. That stuff can happen. It happens in
Speaker 1: other countries. It's happening now in other parts of the world.
Speaker 1: Now does it seem unreasonable to think that would happen
Speaker 1: here in the US. Well, it's less plausible because we
Speaker 1: would have to question what the motivation for that would be.
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone would argue that if the
Speaker 1: situation was right, if they wanted to, they certainly have
Speaker 1: the means and the personnel to do this thing. Sure,
Speaker 1: the U. S Military is by far the most powerful
Speaker 1: military in the world. However, different we do have a
Speaker 1: legal framework that is meant to prevent that kind of
Speaker 1: situation from occurring. Yeah, but we also have a legal
Speaker 1: framework that supposedly prevent things like n s A wire
Speaker 1: tapping from Alright, touche my friend. That's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then it goes back to the idea of secret
Speaker 1: courts and secret laws and secret interpretations of those laws,
Speaker 1: and things are things are bent, things are true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're you're spot on with that, here's one of the
Speaker 1: things I think we can look at psychologically, So the
Speaker 1: idea that this stuff can happen and it's plausible, or
Speaker 1: at least it's possible, and due in large part to
Speaker 1: the malleability of the laws as you as you astutely
Speaker 1: point out. If we talk about the psychology, then I
Speaker 1: would say that part of it is that certain events
Speaker 1: or concepts can become this kind of steam vent and
Speaker 1: people can project other concerns about it, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So the Salem witch trials, that's part of it. And
Speaker 1: there is a you know, life was very difficult that
Speaker 1: in terms of food, in terms of security and shelter,
Speaker 1: and here we're in a country with booming inequality, very divisive,
Speaker 1: very i won't say great powers, but very divisive political
Speaker 1: parties that do not want to work with each other, right,
Speaker 1: and there is a tension across the country. When there
Speaker 1: is a tension like this, the smallest thing can topple
Speaker 1: the Jenga tower, you know. And so this is this
Speaker 1: is something that I think we need to be aware of.
Speaker 1: There is a subtext here that allows um that allows
Speaker 1: for this kind of panic to occur. In two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: we saw another thing that was one of my remember
Speaker 1: the two thousand twelve panics, and these are both a
Speaker 1: little bit different to jade Helm because these are apocalyptic panics.
Speaker 1: So these kind of events all have certain commonalities. One,
Speaker 1: it is considered to affect a large group of people too.
Speaker 1: It has a do date, a very specific do date,
Speaker 1: you know, July January one, two thousand. Time and again
Speaker 1: we hear about these things and these do dates pass right, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've said it before, but you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere the world is ending for someone every day. And
Speaker 1: I think there's an average of I can't remember where
Speaker 1: I got this number, but I'll try to find a
Speaker 1: source for everyone. I think there's an average of a
Speaker 1: hundreds something apocalyptic predictions each year. There's some group of
Speaker 1: people saying, this year, guys, the big one, this is
Speaker 1: the big one. The other one didn't happen because we
Speaker 1: weren't ready with our original prediction. But now, my friends,
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the Church of the SubGenius, Yeah, vaguely,
Speaker 1: so they have this, uh, this event. It's so for
Speaker 1: anyone that's not aware of the Church of SubGenius, it's
Speaker 1: a cult, but it's a joke cult. I mean it's you.
Speaker 1: You sign up, you pay a membership, you get a
Speaker 1: members membership card. Um. You you can become ordained in
Speaker 1: the church of a SubGenius. Um. But they're one of
Speaker 1: their central themes is this idea of X Day, which
Speaker 1: is an event they have. It's basically like a hedonistic
Speaker 1: bacchanalia in the woods where they you know, do a
Speaker 1: lot of drugs and party and you know, tell do
Speaker 1: weird sermons about slack, which is what their fundamental principle.
Speaker 1: You've gotta have slack. It means just like not caring
Speaker 1: and doing doing your own thing and not worrying about it. Um.
Speaker 1: But X Day their profit. Bob Dobbs, who is embodied
Speaker 1: by this sort of clip art um, you know, fifties
Speaker 1: house father with a pipe. Yeah. Um he I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not this characterizing this too much of any any
Speaker 1: sub genii out there, please right in and correct me
Speaker 1: all day. Um. But there was there was this date
Speaker 1: that was associated with the end of the world, and
Speaker 1: it turns out that they read it backwards, where they
Speaker 1: read it upside down or something like that, so it
Speaker 1: passes every like it's it's passed officially for the first time,
Speaker 1: and whatever the inverse of it isn't going to be
Speaker 1: for another you know, a thousand years or something like that.
Speaker 1: I you know, I I can get on board with that.
Speaker 1: I've never really understood the Church of the SubGenius because
Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it. But I love the idea
Speaker 1: of a wink and a nod. It's tongue in the
Speaker 1: whole thing. This idea of like an apocalyptic cult, or
Speaker 1: the idea of any kind of apocalyptic prediction. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like, oh, we read the tablet wrong, or you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's human beings are fallible, and that sort of
Speaker 1: the joke there in right and again, this this concern
Speaker 1: of I guess what we're talking about now is the
Speaker 1: way of which jade Helm became this subject of national concern,
Speaker 1: right in the same way in which Y two K
Speaker 1: or the two thousand twelve stuff became a concern. And
Speaker 1: we kept an eye on this. We looked to see
Speaker 1: if there were and there were different things happening. And
Speaker 1: at this point the stuff we found, which we've mentioned before,
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't the stuff that was predicted. I've got an
Speaker 1: interesting book here and all that you've seen me flipping
Speaker 1: through as we're talking. Uh. The name of this book
Speaker 1: is Outbreak, the Encyclopedia of Extraordinary Social Behavior. And what
Speaker 1: this book does is it gathers all sorts of different
Speaker 1: different mass panics. Right. Uh. The one I have a
Speaker 1: page on now is Hayley Comment, Haley's commet Scare, which
Speaker 1: is worldwide. In nineteen ten, he said that, uh, and
Speaker 1: this this comes to us from a prediction in one
Speaker 1: and astronomer named Sir William Huggins was analyzing light spectra
Speaker 1: from comets when he discovered the presence of a lethal
Speaker 1: gas called cynogen, and this produced a worldwide panic. Would
Speaker 1: people believe that the next time Haley's comment passed Earth,
Speaker 1: the entire planet would be poisoned with this deadly gas?
Speaker 1: And this is just there's just one exist is a
Speaker 1: weighty volume here, folks. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff here,
Speaker 1: very small brand. I mean, just say just say win.
Speaker 1: I'll just flip through a new ze wind. Okay. The
Speaker 1: Mora witch affair and this is a Scandinavian countries in
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty four sixteen seventy six, specifically Sweden, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's the witch mania right when reports from
Speaker 1: the countryside of witchcraft was taking place. The authorities were
Speaker 1: first reluctant to take action, but as complaints continue to
Speaker 1: be made despite the protest of doctors UH, they decided
Speaker 1: rigorous measures were needed. The number of the executed has
Speaker 1: never been established, but it is likely to approach two hundred,
Speaker 1: including some children. So what we have here is UH.
Speaker 1: This also has the context where they give you a
Speaker 1: blow by blow of how it occurred and the social
Speaker 1: conditions of the time, right. And what we've seen is
Speaker 1: that there is a there is a relationship correlation between
Speaker 1: economic difficulties and the rise of concerns about stuff like this.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't these kinds of widespread panics. You gotta
Speaker 1: find a different phrase. I keep thinking of the band.
Speaker 1: These kind of concerns seem don't seem to spread in
Speaker 1: times of economic boom. It makes me think of as
Speaker 1: actually a show that I'm working on right now. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit hush hush. I'm not gonna say too
Speaker 1: much about it, but um. One a source person that
Speaker 1: we interviewed was a professor who conducted a survey of
Speaker 1: American fears and one of the biggest um Uh. Factors
Speaker 1: leading to higher levels of fear about a wide variety
Speaker 1: of things. Was economic hardship um paired with low lower
Speaker 1: levels of education. Yeah, I can completely understand that. But
Speaker 1: now we've opened another conspiracy, noal, because we do have
Speaker 1: to keep that on the hush, don't we definitely do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good though. Yeah, no spoilers. You'll hear
Speaker 1: about it soon enough. And speaking about hearing stuff, we
Speaker 1: like to hear from you about what your take on
Speaker 1: this entire event is. Is there something that Nolan that
Speaker 1: and I missed, you know, is there is there something
Speaker 1: that was unreported that should have been reported as it
Speaker 1: been suppressed somehow, because we do want to know otherwise,
Speaker 1: at the basis of this, it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of the predictions that people made did not occur. And
Speaker 1: just to drive home how much we appreciate listener mail,
Speaker 1: let's do some right now, do it? Okay, We've got
Speaker 1: one here from Sandy um Uh concerning the episode you
Speaker 1: and I did on Big Pharma the other week. I
Speaker 1: cringed when I heard you guys mentioned creatum and just
Speaker 1: a refresher. Creatum was the the herb I mentioned that
Speaker 1: you know has been reported to be able to treat
Speaker 1: multiple kinds of addictions, and as Sandy puts it here,
Speaker 1: create um actually is also good for treating fibromyalgia, which
Speaker 1: I believe is a nerve condition that creates pretty widespread pain.
Speaker 1: Just all over. Um, everyone, we'd like to keep quiet
Speaker 1: about this because we are so afraid it's going to
Speaker 1: be outlawed. As I mentioned in the episode as well,
Speaker 1: it's definitely on a few watch lists. Um. It is
Speaker 1: not something to be abused, but has many medicinal uses,
Speaker 1: So keep it on the down low. Lull I love
Speaker 1: you all on the show, Sandy. Sandy, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for writing and we appreciate your point. You might be thinking, well,
Speaker 1: if you appreciate my point, why did you read the
Speaker 1: letter on on the air? Jerks? But we're reading it
Speaker 1: on the air because first off, it's it's not like
Speaker 1: it's not like our show is going to be the
Speaker 1: thing that tips the d a's had. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think so either. We have to keep a realistic
Speaker 1: opinion of ourselves and uh, but but we do want
Speaker 1: other listeners who perhaps missed that last episode to know
Speaker 1: about this, especially if you have someone in your life
Speaker 1: who has an addiction problem. You know, those things destroy
Speaker 1: lives and often it's very difficult to get help through
Speaker 1: the current system, right, So if there's something that can
Speaker 1: free people from that, we want we want you, our
Speaker 1: listeners to know about it. This is this can literally
Speaker 1: be a life and death thing. And Sandy, we also
Speaker 1: hope that it is not outlawed and we agree. I've
Speaker 1: been reading about this NonStop since you introduced the concept,
Speaker 1: and I had never heard of it. Um, So we
Speaker 1: appreciate it and we want to know more about it.
Speaker 1: I do. I promise you we won't do an episode
Speaker 1: on it if that's too much publicity. So let's go
Speaker 1: to another one here, all right, Lucton P Writes to
Speaker 1: us and says, please consider the underwear bomber as a
Speaker 1: podcast topic. What do you know about this two thousand
Speaker 1: nine Christmas Day incident? Nigerian Umar Farouk abdulmutalab has and
Speaker 1: his attempt to detonate an explosive substance might be all
Speaker 1: you remember, but are you aware of the sharp dress man,
Speaker 1: the man in orange, or the person on the flight
Speaker 1: recording the entire incident? The official story of events was
Speaker 1: ever changing, and several passengers made statements that suggest there's
Speaker 1: more to the story. Two lawyers that were passengers on
Speaker 1: the flight were even preparing to be called as witnesses
Speaker 1: in the defense of mutalab So, uh, this goes on,
Speaker 1: and Lupton's provided a lot of sources here. We wanted
Speaker 1: to put this out. We're going to put this out
Speaker 1: into the ether and ask you, guys if you would
Speaker 1: like to hear something about the about the underwear bomber.
Speaker 1: So let us know, do you remember that noise basically
Speaker 1: what he said? Yeah, the broad strokes and goes into
Speaker 1: much more detail we can see here. Uh, so let's see.
Speaker 1: What do you think should we do one more listener
Speaker 1: mail or should we go straight to Wait, what's that?
Speaker 1: What's that noise? Oh? My god, it's you. I guess
Speaker 1: it is. This is weird. You know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: it might be nice. Uh. If we can convince Matt
Speaker 1: to do a moment, i'd be good. Yeah we yeah,
Speaker 1: we should have them out. Yeah, I get him to
Speaker 1: skype in. Yeah, we'll see if we can work on that.
Speaker 1: Let us. I think they'd be great because honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't have much today. Man, I feel like, um, this
Speaker 1: is this is warn me plumb out talking about this topic. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of fighting a little bit of a respiratory bug. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was all I could do to kind of
Speaker 1: wade my way through this conversation. Um, but I'm sort
Speaker 1: of fading a little bit here. Honestly, Ben, I'm not
Speaker 1: not too ashamed to say I feel you. Then the
Speaker 1: sickness is going through the office. If you listen to more,
Speaker 1: if you listen to other how Stuff Work shows, which
Speaker 1: we strongly recommend, then you might hear some other people
Speaker 1: getting getting the credit or the Batman voice. It's annoying though,
Speaker 1: because I've literally made it all year without getting anything,
Speaker 1: and that is super unusual for me. And now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm stricken. Well, what about the power
Speaker 1: of positive thought? Man? Well, I'm gonna work on that.
Speaker 1: I've tried soup. I've tried juice. There's a really good
Speaker 1: juice place here at Atlanta called Arden's Garden, and they
Speaker 1: make delicious combo of ginger apple juice and carrots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, every time I take one of those usually
Speaker 1: knocks whatever. I feel like it's coming right out. But
Speaker 1: did not did not seem to do the trick. This time.
Speaker 1: They also have the that complete recovery juice stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. The exercise might also be good.
Speaker 1: I've heard you can exercise away a bug. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's so. You're saying I should get an exorcist. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: to exercise, you should get it. You know there is
Speaker 1: there is still a chief exorcist at the Vatican. I
Speaker 1: got a thing. What speaking of the Vatican, what's up
Speaker 1: with the pope meeting with this Kim Davis woman? That
Speaker 1: bummed me out to no end? Oh I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: oh what? Yeah? And the and the only way it
Speaker 1: came out was because Kim Davis is loudmouth lawyers who
Speaker 1: have been caught very recently for distributing false information. Shin like.
Speaker 1: They had a picture that was of some sort of
Speaker 1: event in Chile, I believe, and they claimed that it
Speaker 1: was a prayer group, a giant prayer group in her
Speaker 1: honor or like, for her benefit. And then they ultimately
Speaker 1: came out and said that now, in fact, it was
Speaker 1: another event. They may not have claimed that they knew,
Speaker 1: but whatever they definitely was was misinformation. So we were
Speaker 1: really hoping, and I say this because this Pope has
Speaker 1: been intriguing in a lot of ways. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he definitely seems like he's got some interesting, more progressive
Speaker 1: ideas about climate change and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: different things that you don't typically hear of pope be
Speaker 1: outspoken about. But he's more involved these politically or in
Speaker 1: secular issues. And he he actually had you may have
Speaker 1: heard of this before, the idea of liberation theology, which
Speaker 1: is uh, something that a lot of Catholic priest or
Speaker 1: members of the church in South and Central America were
Speaker 1: involved with. Was this idea of connecting religion and in
Speaker 1: some cases leftist movements, which you know, was not super
Speaker 1: popular with the US at the time. But people will
Speaker 1: tell you that the current popes, the current pope's perspective
Speaker 1: on things like economic inequality or a couple of other
Speaker 1: issues are echoes of liberation theology. But also still it's
Speaker 1: the pope. The pope is going to have views that
Speaker 1: other people would consider very very conservative. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: maybe it's very naive of me, but this particular pope
Speaker 1: just gave this sense that he was he was a
Speaker 1: little different. You know, he was all about transparency, and
Speaker 1: so the fact that he you know, took fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: out of his schedule to secretly meet with this woman,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't on his itinerary. You know, his camp
Speaker 1: didn't at least this information. Again, it was her loud
Speaker 1: mouth attorney that tweeted it out, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know she's totally vindicated. The Pope's all about you
Speaker 1: know design. So yeah, this is the of game men
Speaker 1: and women because that's married Kim. That's who. What's her named?
Speaker 1: Kim Davidim Davis. She was the county clerk in Rowan County,
Speaker 1: Kentucky who, after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional to
Speaker 1: deny um gay men and women the right to be married, um,
Speaker 1: she refused to issue marriage licenses. So you don't think
Speaker 1: the meeting was something where he said to you. You
Speaker 1: think the meme was like congratulatory, I approve. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: the the position of the Vatican is, yes, the meeting occurred,
Speaker 1: and that is as far as they are going with it. Um.
Speaker 1: So I suppose everything that we know about what was
Speaker 1: said or not set is coming from Kim Davis's camp,
Speaker 1: So it could all be absolute hogwash. But according to
Speaker 1: her people, you know, he said something to the effect
Speaker 1: of stay strong or um, you know, like gave some
Speaker 1: measure of approval for for the first dance in this
Speaker 1: whole situation. Yeah, that's uh. It's interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: the Pope is such a practitioner of what would be
Speaker 1: called soft diplomacy, you know, because it's not like the
Speaker 1: Pope can send an army into a country. Does he
Speaker 1: still uh? Does he still snapchat? You? Not in a
Speaker 1: long time? Man, I'm sorry to hear that, because I
Speaker 1: I still like we text. Yeah, I mean the Pope
Speaker 1: text just basic stuff, just like how how's the game?
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, man, look at my shoes. No,
Speaker 1: of course, we also want to point out that we're
Speaker 1: not in any way I feel like we have to
Speaker 1: say this. We're not in any way trying to denigrate
Speaker 1: religion or religion at all. No, I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm I I am not anti religion at all if
Speaker 1: people are able to use it in a way that's
Speaker 1: positive for them personally. I mean when I start having issues,
Speaker 1: as when it's used as a as a tool to
Speaker 1: harm people or to um cut people down and make
Speaker 1: people less than that, I start having issues. But this
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