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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Now,

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Speaker 1: bellow everyone, and welcome to the show. My name is Noel, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I am Ben. We are as always joined in

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Speaker 1: spirit by our producer and co host Matt. Let's see

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Speaker 1: what's foul we call them today? I mean, I like

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Speaker 1: the alliteration of the madman, what about Matt, the militants, Frederick.

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Speaker 1: That's good, that's good, that's approca. So before we start

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Speaker 1: today's episode, Noel, I was thinking that we could we

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Speaker 1: could have a little bit of a tangential conversation. Sure,

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Speaker 1: okay with that course, all right. I'm fond of the tangent,

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Speaker 1: fond of the tangent. Yes, all right. So have you

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Speaker 1: ever observed in real life a a widespread like a panic.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that. You know, there's that

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Speaker 1: I was fighting not to make a joke about it.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna come out. It's fine, let it come. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, I mean nothing, um,

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Speaker 1: definitely no form of like mass hysteria, or any kind

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Speaker 1: actually now now now that now that I think about it,

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Speaker 1: I did go to a Creed concert um when I

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Speaker 1: situation that I can think of. And we've all been

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Speaker 1: in a similar situation, folks. You know, you've you've been

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Speaker 1: Some of our listeners have been in riot situations, have

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Speaker 1: the scene of tremendous catastrophes, right, And what we notice

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Speaker 1: You're just to click away from talking to someone on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the planet. So what we're looking

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Speaker 1: We are coming back to update you on jade Helm fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So first I guess we have to say what what

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Speaker 1: is jade Helm fifteen. Well, a little background. Jade Helm

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Speaker 1: fifteen was a multi state military exercise that took place

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Speaker 1: exercise and unconventional warfare, and then it evolved the US

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Speaker 1: with other U S Armed Forces units also involved. It

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Speaker 1: which you should check out if you're at all interested

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Speaker 1: in that. Maps of the exercise included areas of the

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Speaker 1: So here's what happens. The troops involved in the exercise

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear some of the background, check

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of that? So it's a measure of disasters,

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Speaker 1: And it's true that Walmart had been found guilty of

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Speaker 1: witch trials for example. You know that was all word

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Speaker 1: of mouth, um, little bits of misinformation based on first

426
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Speaker 1: person accounts or something that mayor amount of actually taken

427
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: place in that particular way, spreading via word amount. Now

428
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: you know you've got fifty different pieces of misinformation that

429
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: are disseminated instantly, you know, over numerous online channels. I mean,

430
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: there's really no end to it. It's just like an

431
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: it's exponentially easier for this kind of thing, this kind

432
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: of information to spread. Yeah, that's a really good point.

433
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad you made that, because the barrier for communication

434
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: and what we would call the cost of communication is

435
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: so much lower. And you and I have talked about

436
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: this software before, about how quickly and strangely these things

437
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: can rise and fall. In our last episode we talked

438
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: about Martin Screlly, and one of the most fascinating things

439
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: I think you pointed out was that this story was

440
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: up and down within a week. I mean it was, honestly,

441
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways a day. There was definitely

442
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: more out there, but the majority of the back and

443
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: forth and the you know, the Twitter rampage age, pitchfork

444
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: waving kind of scenario that led to him more or

445
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: less backing down from his position kind of took place

446
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: within the span of a day. And it's also true

447
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: that jade Helme itself did capture this national attention. It

448
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: became a subject of national debate. There was a there

449
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: was a poll by the Public Policy Polling in May

450
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: off and it found that one third of people identifying

451
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: as Republicans believed that the jade Helm exercise was about

452
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: the government trying to take over Texas and another third

453
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: hadn't made their minds up yet. So a lot of people,

454
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe that something fishy was afoot.

455
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: And and I think this is just me speculating here

456
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: in folks, but I think part of this comes from

457
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: the absence of transparency. You're not letting journalists observe events,

458
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: um and if there were blackouts. As people allege human beings,

459
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: we are analytical, we think in categories right. We fill

460
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: in blanks, and we fill in blanks exactly, so we

461
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: begin generating our own explanations, and those explanations that we

462
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: generate are based upon our pre existing beliefs or values, right,

463
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: which is why the same ambiguous events can mean two

464
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: very different things to people. We heard, we heard allegations

465
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: that this was part of a plan to prevent Russia

466
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Speaker 1: from assisting, uh, the annexation of the U. S State

467
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: by Mexico, which seems very far out there. Uh, let's see.

468
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: We heard asteroids. We heard that there was going to

469
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: be a construction beneath the ground and that was part

470
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: of it. And of all these things we heard, what

471
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: we found at the conclusion of this on September fifteen,

472
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, was that most of it, most of

473
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: those concerns didn't come to fruition. And this doesn't mean

474
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: that jade Helm is by any means a good thing,

475
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: because it leads to the larger question of why, um,

476
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: why the military would be doing this domestic activity. Right. Well,

477
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit on the periscope,

478
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Speaker 1: and this was interesting initiating point that you brought up

479
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: that I hadn't occurred to me is they need to

480
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Speaker 1: be able to train in different terrains, like in different

481
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: real world scenarios, and especially like in a pretty arid,

482
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, climate like Texas, very similar to some of

483
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: the desert situations that they you know, end up in

484
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: on they're deployed. Sure, But then the other question is

485
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Speaker 1: at what point does it unreasonably impinge upon the lives

486
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Speaker 1: of US citizens or residents, you know, is is there

487
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: a line should ALIGNE exists? Well, my question is did it. Yeah,

488
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: it seems like it didn't. From the reports we've heard.

489
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Speaker 1: It seems like the main and the main civility ends

490
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: that were affected by this were people who were involved

491
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Speaker 1: in crime just in case crime, or are people that

492
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: were seeking it out and trying to more or less

493
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: fight back or at least you know, counter threat to it,

494
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And then there's the other one of

495
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: the questions that people also said was that this was

496
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: an intelligence operation. It was about informational awareness. Informational awareness

497
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: being this concept that or the informational awareness being this

498
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: idea that you can trace all electronic activity. You want

499
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to know as much as you can about every individual

500
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: or group and their interactions between each other, that's an

501
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: essay stuff, you know, and uh that that is completely

502
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: plausible and that impinges upon people's lives far more than

503
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: a then a military exercise outside of your town, right

504
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: and unfortunate. That's because that stuff is still warrantless. There

505
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: is pretty much oh effective supervision, and there's not really

506
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: a means of recourse for the average person you and

507
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I included, as well as you listeners, as well as

508
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: you met. Sorry, but but let's look at some other

509
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: examples of of these kinds of hands. So, I mean,

510
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: my favorite of these, because I remember exactly where I

511
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: was when this went down, was Y two k, Y

512
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Speaker 1: two k, Y two k K not visitors now someone, No,

513
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: definitely not so much made of Y two k. This

514
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: belief that because of the specifications of computer date keeping

515
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: right like it was too place digits exactly the year

516
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: two thousand would cause massive internal errors and computer programs

517
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: across the place, the possibly throwing the world into economic

518
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: and social term while including financial systems, data storage at

519
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: corporations you know, to your own personal computer, Wall street crashes,

520
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: all deaths are erased because they no longer exist. Satellites

521
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: fall from the sky right fire, there were massive reactions

522
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: to this. I mean people were going so far as

523
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: to hoard like water supplies. Walmart's got cleaned out the

524
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: night before, of people getting gas masks and you know,

525
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: like purified water and you know, in bulk and you know,

526
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: food and things like that. Now, you and I differ

527
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: on this preps, but I think it's a good idea

528
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: to have those things. And I mean I think it

529
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: probably is too. I'm just saying it's when it's specifically

530
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: tied to a theory about a thing that may or

531
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: may not happen, at that point, you're probably not thinking

532
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: that enough, you know. Yeah, absolutely, I'm sure. I think

533
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with being prepared or the unknown, and

534
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: there's also a group mentality at work there too, exactly.

535
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean it was reported widely. You know, there were

536
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: cameras in the Walmarts showing all the empty shelves and

537
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, no more food, bread, eggs, things like that.

538
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: People just sort of like, what happens when or what

539
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: happened with the snow apocalypse here in Atlanta. It's like

540
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: all these reports of the grocery stores with the shelves

541
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: completely cleaned out. It was very much to that kind

542
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: of situation. Oh boy, and uh you you listeners in

543
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: northern climbs, Uh laugh, we're laughing or laughing so hard

544
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: on it. It was. It was strange because you know,

545
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: Matt and I made a video about how we couldn't

546
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: make a video because of this because the city of

547
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: Atlanta shut down. It was just not prepared. It all

548
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: goes back not to be too much of a boy

549
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: scout about it, but it all goes back to preparation.

550
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: The city had what three snowplows maybe in the entire city,

551
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and so it was bonkers out there. One of my friends,

552
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: who is a special ed teacher, uh had to stay

553
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: at the school overnight and take care of all these

554
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: kids whose parents didn't get them all right, t guy

555
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: is he um had to basically sleep in his car

556
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: because everything was at such a standstill. And back back

557
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: to y took though I do feel like, not exactly

558
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: the same, but a similar kind of panic that was

559
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: very observable for us. And yeah, and that's that's a

560
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: really good point that if we could talk a little

561
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: bit about some of the psychology behind these things. Of First,

562
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I want to I want to underline and say this, Uh,

563
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't think ridiculing people is the right way to

564
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: approach these kind of things because the idea of a

565
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: government takeover of a town or a city or a place,

566
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: right is plausible. That stuff can happen. It happens in

567
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: other countries. It's happening now in other parts of the world.

568
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Now does it seem unreasonable to think that would happen

569
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: here in the US. Well, it's less plausible because we

570
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: would have to question what the motivation for that would be.

571
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone would argue that if the

572
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: situation was right, if they wanted to, they certainly have

573
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: the means and the personnel to do this thing. Sure,

574
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: the U. S Military is by far the most powerful

575
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: military in the world. However, different we do have a

576
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: legal framework that is meant to prevent that kind of

577
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: situation from occurring. Yeah, but we also have a legal

578
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: framework that supposedly prevent things like n s A wire

579
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: tapping from Alright, touche my friend. That's a good point. Yeah,

580
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: And then it goes back to the idea of secret

581
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: courts and secret laws and secret interpretations of those laws,

582
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: and things are things are bent, things are true. Yeah,

583
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: You're you're spot on with that, here's one of the

584
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: things I think we can look at psychologically, So the

585
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: idea that this stuff can happen and it's plausible, or

586
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: at least it's possible, and due in large part to

587
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: the malleability of the laws as you as you astutely

588
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: point out. If we talk about the psychology, then I

589
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: would say that part of it is that certain events

590
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: or concepts can become this kind of steam vent and

591
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: people can project other concerns about it, you know, absolutely,

592
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: So the Salem witch trials, that's part of it. And

593
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: there is a you know, life was very difficult that

594
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: in terms of food, in terms of security and shelter,

595
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and here we're in a country with booming inequality, very divisive,

596
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: very i won't say great powers, but very divisive political

597
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: parties that do not want to work with each other, right,

598
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: and there is a tension across the country. When there

599
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: is a tension like this, the smallest thing can topple

600
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: the Jenga tower, you know. And so this is this

601
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: is something that I think we need to be aware of.

602
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: There is a subtext here that allows um that allows

603
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: for this kind of panic to occur. In two thousand twelve,

604
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: we saw another thing that was one of my remember

605
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: the two thousand twelve panics, and these are both a

606
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: little bit different to jade Helm because these are apocalyptic panics.

607
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: So these kind of events all have certain commonalities. One,

608
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: it is considered to affect a large group of people too.

609
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: It has a do date, a very specific do date,

610
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, July January one, two thousand. Time and again

611
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: we hear about these things and these do dates pass right, right,

612
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've said it before, but you know,

613
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: somewhere the world is ending for someone every day. And

614
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I think there's an average of I can't remember where

615
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: I got this number, but I'll try to find a

616
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: source for everyone. I think there's an average of a

617
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: hundreds something apocalyptic predictions each year. There's some group of

618
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: people saying, this year, guys, the big one, this is

619
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: the big one. The other one didn't happen because we

620
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: weren't ready with our original prediction. But now, my friends,

621
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the Church of the SubGenius, Yeah, vaguely,

622
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: so they have this, uh, this event. It's so for

623
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: anyone that's not aware of the Church of SubGenius, it's

624
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: a cult, but it's a joke cult. I mean it's you.

625
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: You sign up, you pay a membership, you get a

626
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: members membership card. Um. You you can become ordained in

627
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: the church of a SubGenius. Um. But they're one of

628
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: their central themes is this idea of X Day, which

629
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: is an event they have. It's basically like a hedonistic

630
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: bacchanalia in the woods where they you know, do a

631
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of drugs and party and you know, tell do

632
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: weird sermons about slack, which is what their fundamental principle.

633
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: You've gotta have slack. It means just like not caring

634
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: and doing doing your own thing and not worrying about it. Um.

635
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: But X Day their profit. Bob Dobbs, who is embodied

636
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Speaker 1: by this sort of clip art um, you know, fifties

637
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: house father with a pipe. Yeah. Um he I hope

638
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Speaker 1: I'm not this characterizing this too much of any any

639
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Speaker 1: sub genii out there, please right in and correct me

640
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Speaker 1: all day. Um. But there was there was this date

641
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Speaker 1: that was associated with the end of the world, and

642
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: it turns out that they read it backwards, where they

643
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Speaker 1: read it upside down or something like that, so it

644
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Speaker 1: passes every like it's it's passed officially for the first time,

645
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Speaker 1: and whatever the inverse of it isn't going to be

646
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Speaker 1: for another you know, a thousand years or something like that.

647
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Speaker 1: I you know, I I can get on board with that.

648
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Speaker 1: I've never really understood the Church of the SubGenius because

649
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Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it. But I love the idea

650
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: of a wink and a nod. It's tongue in the

651
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Speaker 1: whole thing. This idea of like an apocalyptic cult, or

652
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: the idea of any kind of apocalyptic prediction. It's sort

653
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, we read the tablet wrong, or you know,

654
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Speaker 1: it's it's human beings are fallible, and that sort of

655
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: the joke there in right and again, this this concern

656
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Speaker 1: of I guess what we're talking about now is the

657
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: way of which jade Helm became this subject of national concern,

658
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: right in the same way in which Y two K

659
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: or the two thousand twelve stuff became a concern. And

660
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: we kept an eye on this. We looked to see

661
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: if there were and there were different things happening. And

662
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: at this point the stuff we found, which we've mentioned before,

663
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't the stuff that was predicted. I've got an

664
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Speaker 1: interesting book here and all that you've seen me flipping

665
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Speaker 1: through as we're talking. Uh. The name of this book

666
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: is Outbreak, the Encyclopedia of Extraordinary Social Behavior. And what

667
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Speaker 1: this book does is it gathers all sorts of different

668
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: different mass panics. Right. Uh. The one I have a

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Speaker 1: page on now is Hayley Comment, Haley's commet Scare, which

670
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Speaker 1: is worldwide. In nineteen ten, he said that, uh, and

671
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Speaker 1: this this comes to us from a prediction in one

672
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: and astronomer named Sir William Huggins was analyzing light spectra

673
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Speaker 1: from comets when he discovered the presence of a lethal

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Speaker 1: gas called cynogen, and this produced a worldwide panic. Would

675
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Speaker 1: people believe that the next time Haley's comment passed Earth,

676
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: the entire planet would be poisoned with this deadly gas?

677
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: And this is just there's just one exist is a

678
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: weighty volume here, folks. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff here,

679
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: very small brand. I mean, just say just say win.

680
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Speaker 1: I'll just flip through a new ze wind. Okay. The

681
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Speaker 1: Mora witch affair and this is a Scandinavian countries in

682
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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty four sixteen seventy six, specifically Sweden, and uh,

683
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: you know it's the witch mania right when reports from

684
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Speaker 1: the countryside of witchcraft was taking place. The authorities were

685
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: first reluctant to take action, but as complaints continue to

686
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: be made despite the protest of doctors UH, they decided

687
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: rigorous measures were needed. The number of the executed has

688
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: never been established, but it is likely to approach two hundred,

689
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Speaker 1: including some children. So what we have here is UH.

690
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Speaker 1: This also has the context where they give you a

691
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Speaker 1: blow by blow of how it occurred and the social

692
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: conditions of the time, right. And what we've seen is

693
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Speaker 1: that there is a there is a relationship correlation between

694
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Speaker 1: economic difficulties and the rise of concerns about stuff like this.

695
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: It just doesn't these kinds of widespread panics. You gotta

696
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: find a different phrase. I keep thinking of the band.

697
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: These kind of concerns seem don't seem to spread in

698
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Speaker 1: times of economic boom. It makes me think of as

699
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: actually a show that I'm working on right now. It's

700
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: a little bit hush hush. I'm not gonna say too

701
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: much about it, but um. One a source person that

702
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: we interviewed was a professor who conducted a survey of

703
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: American fears and one of the biggest um Uh. Factors

704
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: leading to higher levels of fear about a wide variety

705
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: of things. Was economic hardship um paired with low lower

706
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: levels of education. Yeah, I can completely understand that. But

707
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: now we've opened another conspiracy, noal, because we do have

708
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: to keep that on the hush, don't we definitely do. Yeah,

709
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good though. Yeah, no spoilers. You'll hear

710
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: about it soon enough. And speaking about hearing stuff, we

711
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: like to hear from you about what your take on

712
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: this entire event is. Is there something that Nolan that

713
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: and I missed, you know, is there is there something

714
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: that was unreported that should have been reported as it

715
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: been suppressed somehow, because we do want to know otherwise,

716
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: at the basis of this, it seems like a lot

717
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: of the predictions that people made did not occur. And

718
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: just to drive home how much we appreciate listener mail,

719
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: let's do some right now, do it? Okay, We've got

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Speaker 1: one here from Sandy um Uh concerning the episode you

721
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: and I did on Big Pharma the other week. I

722
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: cringed when I heard you guys mentioned creatum and just

723
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: a refresher. Creatum was the the herb I mentioned that

724
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: you know has been reported to be able to treat

725
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: multiple kinds of addictions, and as Sandy puts it here,

726
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: create um actually is also good for treating fibromyalgia, which

727
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: I believe is a nerve condition that creates pretty widespread pain.

728
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Just all over. Um, everyone, we'd like to keep quiet

729
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: about this because we are so afraid it's going to

730
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: be outlawed. As I mentioned in the episode as well,

731
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: it's definitely on a few watch lists. Um. It is

732
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: not something to be abused, but has many medicinal uses,

733
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: So keep it on the down low. Lull I love

734
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Speaker 1: you all on the show, Sandy. Sandy, thanks so much

735
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: for writing and we appreciate your point. You might be thinking, well,

736
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: if you appreciate my point, why did you read the

737
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: letter on on the air? Jerks? But we're reading it

738
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: on the air because first off, it's it's not like

739
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: it's not like our show is going to be the

740
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: thing that tips the d a's had. You know, I

741
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: don't think so either. We have to keep a realistic

742
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: opinion of ourselves and uh, but but we do want

743
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: other listeners who perhaps missed that last episode to know

744
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: about this, especially if you have someone in your life

745
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: who has an addiction problem. You know, those things destroy

746
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: lives and often it's very difficult to get help through

747
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: the current system, right, So if there's something that can

748
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: free people from that, we want we want you, our

749
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: listeners to know about it. This is this can literally

750
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: be a life and death thing. And Sandy, we also

751
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: hope that it is not outlawed and we agree. I've

752
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: been reading about this NonStop since you introduced the concept,

753
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: and I had never heard of it. Um, So we

754
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: appreciate it and we want to know more about it.

755
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: I do. I promise you we won't do an episode

756
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: on it if that's too much publicity. So let's go

757
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: to another one here, all right, Lucton P Writes to

758
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: us and says, please consider the underwear bomber as a

759
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: podcast topic. What do you know about this two thousand

760
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: nine Christmas Day incident? Nigerian Umar Farouk abdulmutalab has and

761
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: his attempt to detonate an explosive substance might be all

762
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: you remember, but are you aware of the sharp dress man,

763
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: the man in orange, or the person on the flight

764
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: recording the entire incident? The official story of events was

765
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: ever changing, and several passengers made statements that suggest there's

766
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: more to the story. Two lawyers that were passengers on

767
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: the flight were even preparing to be called as witnesses

768
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: in the defense of mutalab So, uh, this goes on,

769
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: and Lupton's provided a lot of sources here. We wanted

770
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: to put this out. We're going to put this out

771
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: into the ether and ask you, guys if you would

772
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: like to hear something about the about the underwear bomber.

773
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: So let us know, do you remember that noise basically

774
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: what he said? Yeah, the broad strokes and goes into

775
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: much more detail we can see here. Uh, so let's see.

776
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: What do you think should we do one more listener

777
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: mail or should we go straight to Wait, what's that?

778
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: What's that noise? Oh? My god, it's you. I guess

779
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: it is. This is weird. You know, I was thinking

780
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: it might be nice. Uh. If we can convince Matt

781
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: to do a moment, i'd be good. Yeah we yeah,

782
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: we should have them out. Yeah, I get him to

783
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: skype in. Yeah, we'll see if we can work on that.

784
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Let us. I think they'd be great because honestly, I

785
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: don't have much today. Man, I feel like, um, this

786
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: is this is warn me plumb out talking about this topic. Um,

787
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm sort of fighting a little bit of a respiratory bug. Um,

788
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: and it was all I could do to kind of

789
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: wade my way through this conversation. Um, but I'm sort

790
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: of fading a little bit here. Honestly, Ben, I'm not

791
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: not too ashamed to say I feel you. Then the

792
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: sickness is going through the office. If you listen to more,

793
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: if you listen to other how Stuff Work shows, which

794
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: we strongly recommend, then you might hear some other people

795
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: getting getting the credit or the Batman voice. It's annoying though,

796
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: because I've literally made it all year without getting anything,

797
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: and that is super unusual for me. And now all

798
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm stricken. Well, what about the power

799
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: of positive thought? Man? Well, I'm gonna work on that.

800
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: I've tried soup. I've tried juice. There's a really good

801
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: juice place here at Atlanta called Arden's Garden, and they

802
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: make delicious combo of ginger apple juice and carrots. Yeah,

803
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, every time I take one of those usually

804
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: knocks whatever. I feel like it's coming right out. But

805
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: did not did not seem to do the trick. This time.

806
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: They also have the that complete recovery juice stuff. Yeah,

807
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: that's a good one. The exercise might also be good.

808
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I've heard you can exercise away a bug. I don't

809
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: know if that's so. You're saying I should get an exorcist. Yes, yeah,

810
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: to exercise, you should get it. You know there is

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Speaker 1: there is still a chief exorcist at the Vatican. I

812
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: got a thing. What speaking of the Vatican, what's up

813
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: with the pope meeting with this Kim Davis woman? That

814
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: bummed me out to no end? Oh I didn't know that,

815
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Speaker 1: oh what? Yeah? And the and the only way it

816
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: came out was because Kim Davis is loudmouth lawyers who

817
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: have been caught very recently for distributing false information. Shin like.

818
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: They had a picture that was of some sort of

819
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: event in Chile, I believe, and they claimed that it

820
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: was a prayer group, a giant prayer group in her

821
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: honor or like, for her benefit. And then they ultimately

822
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: came out and said that now, in fact, it was

823
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Speaker 1: another event. They may not have claimed that they knew,

824
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: but whatever they definitely was was misinformation. So we were

825
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: really hoping, and I say this because this Pope has

826
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Speaker 1: been intriguing in a lot of ways. He's you know,

827
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Speaker 1: he definitely seems like he's got some interesting, more progressive

828
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: ideas about climate change and you know a lot of

829
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: different things that you don't typically hear of pope be

830
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: outspoken about. But he's more involved these politically or in

831
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: secular issues. And he he actually had you may have

832
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: heard of this before, the idea of liberation theology, which

833
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: is uh, something that a lot of Catholic priest or

834
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Speaker 1: members of the church in South and Central America were

835
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Speaker 1: involved with. Was this idea of connecting religion and in

836
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: some cases leftist movements, which you know, was not super

837
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: popular with the US at the time. But people will

838
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: tell you that the current popes, the current pope's perspective

839
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: on things like economic inequality or a couple of other

840
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: issues are echoes of liberation theology. But also still it's

841
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: the pope. The pope is going to have views that

842
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: other people would consider very very conservative. Well, I guess

843
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: maybe it's very naive of me, but this particular pope

844
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: just gave this sense that he was he was a

845
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: little different. You know, he was all about transparency, and

846
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: so the fact that he you know, took fifteen minutes

847
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: out of his schedule to secretly meet with this woman,

848
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't on his itinerary. You know, his camp

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Speaker 1: didn't at least this information. Again, it was her loud

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Speaker 1: mouth attorney that tweeted it out, you know, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know she's totally vindicated. The Pope's all about you

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Speaker 1: know design. So yeah, this is the of game men

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Speaker 1: and women because that's married Kim. That's who. What's her named?

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Speaker 1: Kim Davidim Davis. She was the county clerk in Rowan County,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky who, after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional to

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Speaker 1: deny um gay men and women the right to be married, um,

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Speaker 1: she refused to issue marriage licenses. So you don't think

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Speaker 1: the meeting was something where he said to you. You

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Speaker 1: think the meme was like congratulatory, I approve. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the the position of the Vatican is, yes, the meeting occurred,

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Speaker 1: and that is as far as they are going with it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I suppose everything that we know about what was

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Speaker 1: said or not set is coming from Kim Davis's camp,

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Speaker 1: So it could all be absolute hogwash. But according to

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Speaker 1: her people, you know, he said something to the effect

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Speaker 1: of stay strong or um, you know, like gave some

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Speaker 1: measure of approval for for the first dance in this

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Speaker 1: whole situation. Yeah, that's uh. It's interesting because you know,

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Speaker 1: the Pope is such a practitioner of what would be

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Speaker 1: called soft diplomacy, you know, because it's not like the

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Speaker 1: Pope can send an army into a country. Does he

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Speaker 1: still uh? Does he still snapchat? You? Not in a

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Speaker 1: long time? Man, I'm sorry to hear that, because I

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Speaker 1: I still like we text. Yeah, I mean the Pope

875
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: text just basic stuff, just like how how's the game?

876
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Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, man, look at my shoes. No,

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Speaker 1: of course, we also want to point out that we're

878
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Speaker 1: not in any way I feel like we have to

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Speaker 1: say this. We're not in any way trying to denigrate

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Speaker 1: religion or religion at all. No, I mean, I'm a

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Speaker 1: I'm I I am not anti religion at all if

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Speaker 1: people are able to use it in a way that's

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Speaker 1: positive for them personally. I mean when I start having issues,

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Speaker 1: as when it's used as a as a tool to

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Speaker 1: harm people or to um cut people down and make

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Speaker 1: people less than that, I start having issues. But this

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Speaker 1: is just an interesting turn of events for me, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had not heard of that story, and I I

889
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Speaker 1: try to keep an eye on the current pope. But

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Speaker 1: let us know what you think about the pope, this

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Speaker 1: pope or the papacy in general, because that seems like

892
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Speaker 1: a topic we could dig into. Also, let us know

893
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: again if anything occurred in jade Helm. If you want to,

894
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Speaker 1: just hit us up on the internet. Were there all

895
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Speaker 1: the time? We are conspiracy stuff at both Facebook and Twitter.

896
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: We also have a website, UH that you can go to.

897
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: It is stuff they don't want you to know dot

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Speaker 1: com pain to type, but it's worth it. When you't

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Speaker 1: get there and see what else will? We have an

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Speaker 1: email and that is conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: For more on this topic, another unexplained phenomenal, visit YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also get in

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