WEBVTT - SpaceX Spooks Investors, Secret Ukraine War Talks, Nuclear Reactors Run Dry

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Bloomberg Dapic. Your podcast Goodborning is Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth of August. I'm Caroline Hepka in London.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today. Building the

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<v Speaker 1>Future Isn't cheap. SpaceX's AI splurge puts a dampner on

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<v Speaker 1>its first set of earnings since going public.

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<v Speaker 2>Bloomberg lands that former European and Russian officials have held

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<v Speaker 2>secret talks on the war in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus why nuclear plants in Romania and Hungary may need

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<v Speaker 1>to be shut down because there's not enough water in

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<v Speaker 1>the Danube River to cool them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with a round up of our top stories.

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX shares fell over seven percent and after ours, US

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<v Speaker 1>trading has higher AI spending overshadowed better than expected quarterly results.

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<v Speaker 1>Revenue beat estimates at seven point eight billion dollars, while

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<v Speaker 1>the company posted eight smaller than expected loss. However, capital

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<v Speaker 1>spending sword as Elon Musk pushes ahead with his AI

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<v Speaker 1>and space ambitions. Bloomberg Tex' Ed Ludlow has the details.

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<v Speaker 3>SpaceX spent a staggering eighteen point four billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 3>the quarter and the vast majority of that eighty six

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<v Speaker 3>percent was on AI infrastructure. But renting out compute capacity

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<v Speaker 3>or computing power to companies like Google and Thropic is

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<v Speaker 3>becoming a major business, and they gave lots of evidence

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<v Speaker 3>of that. Second, like where is the growth? SpaceX said

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<v Speaker 3>they will hit one hundred billion dollars in annual revenue

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<v Speaker 3>run er EATE by the end of this year, and

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<v Speaker 3>Musk even went a step further saying they have line

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<v Speaker 3>of sight like complete confidence that SpaceX will hit one

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<v Speaker 3>trillion dollars of real revenue in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Ludlow says SpaceX's results kappa roller coaster rides. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the company's records stock market debut in June, post IPO,

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<v Speaker 1>volatility has wiped more than one trillion dollars from SpaceX's

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<v Speaker 1>market value, ending elon Musk's brief run as the world's

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<v Speaker 1>first trillionaire.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, AMD shares plunged almost nine ten percent in late

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<v Speaker 2>trading after the chip maker's sales outlook failed to match

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<v Speaker 2>investors lofty expectations. The company says it expects third quarter

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<v Speaker 2>revenue of about thirteen billion dollars with AI valuations so high.

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<v Speaker 2>Our Market's reporter Anthony Stephens says that even great results

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<v Speaker 2>are no longer good enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of the stock based reaction has to be put

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<v Speaker 4>into context with the year to date performance of that stock.

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<v Speaker 4>That stock is up triple digits, so it's up aroun

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and forty percent year to date. It's on

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<v Speaker 4>eight percent replacement. When the earnings fail to clear the

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<v Speaker 4>best estimates is kind of understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Stephens on AMD's results, which come just weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>COEO Lisa Sue unveiled a new AI chip that the

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<v Speaker 2>company believes will outperform and videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent tests on AI technology have revealed some parts carried

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<v Speaker 1>out unsanctioned actions. According to a UK government organization. The

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<v Speaker 1>findings have led to calls for more oversight and rigorous

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<v Speaker 1>safety training of the technology. The Blue Work's tawa at

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<v Speaker 1>A Bio has more AI.

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<v Speaker 5>Models developed by OpenAI and Anthropic engaged in potentially harmful activity,

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<v Speaker 5>including creating fake identities and writing malicious code. That's according

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<v Speaker 5>to the UK's AI Security Institute, which shared the conclusions

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<v Speaker 5>from its latest evaluation earlier this week. During testing, the

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<v Speaker 5>institute intentionally allowed the model's Internet access and used them

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<v Speaker 5>without certain safety filters to test their capabilities. In a

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<v Speaker 5>post on social media, the body said the results are

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<v Speaker 5>the first time they have seen the risks around autonomy

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<v Speaker 5>and deception manifest so clearly in the real world. The

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<v Speaker 5>news comes as Bloomberg understands the White House has told

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<v Speaker 5>top USAI companies that Chinese open weight models won't be

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<v Speaker 5>subject to testing under the government's new safety framework. In London,

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<v Speaker 5>ta At a bio Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopes are arising that the US in Iran could be

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<v Speaker 2>close to an interim agreement to reopen the Strait of Homer's.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump told reporters that talks are moving along very nicely,

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<v Speaker 2>adding will know in forty eight hours, and speaking to

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News in a separate interview recorded earlier on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the US President had this to say on the talks.

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<v Speaker 6>The strait's going to be opened very soon, or they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to get hit very hard, and then the street's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be open. And we were going to a

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<v Speaker 6>tremendous attack, the biggest since World War Two. And they

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<v Speaker 6>called me and said, very politely, please can we talk?

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<v Speaker 6>Can we talk that in one And I said, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>we could talk. Let's get it done. Finally, let's get

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<v Speaker 6>it done.

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<v Speaker 2>The US president there, speaking to Fox News as Axios

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<v Speaker 2>reports that the US, Yron, and Oman could announce a

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<v Speaker 2>temporary agreement as soon as today. The proposal would reopen

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<v Speaker 2>shipping through the strategic Waterway under a sixty day arrangement,

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<v Speaker 2>but US and Katari officials cautioned there's still no agreement

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<v Speaker 2>despite growing optimism, and while a short term deal could

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<v Speaker 2>help normalize commercial ship in the Strait, it might still

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<v Speaker 2>fail to end the war or resolve President Trump's concerns

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<v Speaker 2>about Iran's nuclear program.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg has learned that former senior officials from Russia, the UK, France,

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<v Speaker 1>and Germany privately met in Vienna to explore ways to

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<v Speaker 1>end the war in Ukraine. Are reporting on The gathering

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<v Speaker 1>comes as Europe's three biggest powers have been working on

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<v Speaker 1>ways to establish direct contact with the Kremlin. Bloomberg Exchanmes

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<v Speaker 1>Wilcock has more.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not unknown for former officials to engage in informal

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<v Speaker 7>diplomatic talks at arm's lengths from their governments. These so

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<v Speaker 7>called Track two meetings aimed to exchange ideas that might

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<v Speaker 7>later feedback into government channels. Now all four countries either

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<v Speaker 7>declined to comment or told Bloomberg they were not aware

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<v Speaker 7>of those discussions between some of their seasoned diplomats and

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<v Speaker 7>former national security officials which happened last month in Vienna.

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<v Speaker 7>But the news of the meeting comes as Europe tries

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<v Speaker 7>to take a big role in discussions with Russia, which

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<v Speaker 7>so far have been dominated by the US. In London,

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<v Speaker 7>walk Gradient.

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<v Speaker 1>And just one of the new story of note, the

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<v Speaker 1>UK's Foreign Secretary at Miliban travels to Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Today for the first time since taking office. Miliband and

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<v Speaker 1>the US Secretary of State Marco Rubi are expected to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss reopening the Strait of Hormuz and Ukraine. The latest

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<v Speaker 1>polling shows at Miliband's Labor Party is riding a wave

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<v Speaker 1>of optimism under new leader Andy Burnham. The left wing

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<v Speaker 1>party has overtaken Niger Faraja's Reform UK for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in a year, according to the pollster JL Partners.

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<v Speaker 2>And those are our top stories for you this morning. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the stocks that we're looking at today,

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<v Speaker 2>Asian equities are climbing. They are now at their highest

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<v Speaker 2>levels that we've seen in about a month. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Cosby this morning is up by four point five percent.

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<v Speaker 2>The MSCIAS PACIFICI Index up by two point one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember yesterday European and US stocks clothes at record high.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the stock six hundred actually adding seven tenths of

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of the clothes. With the mining rally and

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<v Speaker 2>very positive earnings. The oil this morning retreating half of

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<v Speaker 2>one percent. The seventy eight dollars ninety three now for

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<v Speaker 2>breakthrough futures as the dollars also dropped on this optimism

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<v Speaker 2>over an interim US deal. And then watching also bond markets,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the long end of the curve given recent

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<v Speaker 2>run ups. Looking at that thirty year long bond in

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<v Speaker 2>the US with down almost two basis points this morning

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<v Speaker 2>at five sixteen. Those are the markets now.

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<v Speaker 1>In a moment, we'll bring you more on what we

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<v Speaker 1>learned from SpaceX's first quarterly results as a public company,

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<v Speaker 1>plus how the drop on the level of the Danube

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<v Speaker 1>River is posing a high risk to economies in central

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<v Speaker 1>and southeastern Europe. The first a word on another story

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been reading this morning are new ways to

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<v Speaker 1>cool down as temperatures rise. Yue Jisebe has been writing

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<v Speaker 1>about a new kind of innovation from Japan, a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fridge for humans. The dough Heimen box is about

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a phone box if you're also remember

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<v Speaker 1>what those are. It has a glass door and a

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<v Speaker 1>seat inside, and it's cold, most importantly, are in fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>degrees and blows jets of five degrees air when someone

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<v Speaker 1>sits down inside it. Now it's designed to offer quick

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<v Speaker 1>relief from potential heat exhaustion or heat stroke in places

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<v Speaker 1>where our conditioning might not be available, think construction sites

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<v Speaker 1>are particularly crowded venues. The company actually sent them to

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<v Speaker 1>evacuation shelters after last week's earthquake in Japan. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>sell for around nine five hundred dollars. They could be

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<v Speaker 1>plugged in like any appliance. But this is another example

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<v Speaker 1>of how places like Japan are dealing with hotter and

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<v Speaker 1>more humid summers as well. I mean it's it's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a sort of a pleasant place to

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<v Speaker 1>spend time so much as perhaps something it's becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more essential in these extreme temperatures. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is a solution, if a slightly odd one to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a bit funny to look cat, mind you

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen heat cabins like that kind of sauna. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the opposite soy to cool you down.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, I can understand why, especially as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>in places where they might not be ac and you

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of con who's worried about heat related

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<v Speaker 2>death in Japan and South Korea going through this very

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<v Speaker 2>very hot phase. I mean, even making headlines here in

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<v Speaker 2>Europe was the fact that in the Tokyo Zoo the

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<v Speaker 2>heat seems to have killed three lions, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>humans and animals that is suffering here. And there are also,

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<v Speaker 2>interestingly in Japan apparently tighter regulations that are coming into

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<v Speaker 2>force to try to keep people cool. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation only just beginning in Europe.

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<v Speaker 4>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, indeed, and perhaps theres some lessons to be learned

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<v Speaker 1>as well as to how countries like Japan are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the changing climate. There to really interesting read about

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<v Speaker 1>this particular innovation, will but link to it in our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast show notes. Well, that's bringing more details now on

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<v Speaker 1>the results from SpaceX. One of the key stories on

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<v Speaker 1>markets shares tumbling over seven percent and after ours trading,

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<v Speaker 1>our aerospace reporter Lina Rashdan joins us now from Mora Lean.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, investors, focusing on the AI capital expenditure numbers

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<v Speaker 1>from SpaceX. What didn't they like?

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<v Speaker 8>The stock is already under pressure, it's fallen below its

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<v Speaker 8>IPO price, and that always kind of bursts the bubble

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<v Speaker 8>that bankers and the company has built around, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the appetite for the shares. We also have about one

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<v Speaker 8>hundred billion ensures that are about to be eligible to sell,

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<v Speaker 8>so you can see where like investors were looking to

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<v Speaker 8>the earnings, and a main focus was the expenses around

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<v Speaker 8>the business, because that's a huge part of the company

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<v Speaker 8>and because of how capital intensive that division is. So

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<v Speaker 8>it almost doubled the figure to the figure for those

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<v Speaker 8>expenses doubled to fifteen point eight billion, and that's a

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<v Speaker 8>few billion more than analysts expected. And the company also

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<v Speaker 8>said that these expenses will continue in the third and

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<v Speaker 8>fourth quarter. So investors didn't react well to those figures.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then in terms of the underlying business performance,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is the other unusual thing about SpaceX, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these huge lofty ambitions based on things that are yet

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<v Speaker 2>to come in the future. And then actually the nuts

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<v Speaker 2>and bolts of what is making money?

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<v Speaker 8>They accompanied it. Overall, well, the Bea revenue estimates, the

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<v Speaker 8>loss per share came in at nine unless had expected

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<v Speaker 8>twenty four, So overall those numbers were good. Then we

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<v Speaker 8>have the Startling subscriptions, which fell slightly below endless estimates,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's the only profitable part of the business. But

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<v Speaker 8>on the other hand, we have some of the executives

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<v Speaker 8>that kind of touted the new market that the company

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<v Speaker 8>Startling could enter, and that's for mobile services. So they

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<v Speaker 8>said they could compete with AT and T and Verizon

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<v Speaker 8>and they could unlock revenue that could be hundreds of

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<v Speaker 8>billions a year. So that kind of gave investors more hope.

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<v Speaker 8>That kind of cleared a path for that business for

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<v Speaker 8>consumer Wife to be a consumer wireless operator, which we

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<v Speaker 8>didn't really have before.

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<v Speaker 1>We also heard, of course, may a lot of mosk

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<v Speaker 1>on the earnings call as well. Stood out from his comments.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, we couldn't really predict what Mosco was going to

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<v Speaker 8>be saying going into this, but we knew he'd make

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<v Speaker 8>some bold predictions. He said that he expected annual run

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<v Speaker 8>rate revenue to reach one hundred billion by year end.

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<v Speaker 8>Bloomberg Analystslice pulled by Bloomberg expected thirty eight point six billions,

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<v Speaker 8>so you can see that kind of huge divide, but

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<v Speaker 8>he seemed very confident of the number. He said that

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<v Speaker 8>that was in a question mark that they were going

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<v Speaker 8>to achieve that number. They basically, he said, they basically

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<v Speaker 8>could do nothing and reach that figure. He also pulled

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<v Speaker 8>forward the figure for reaching one trillion in revenue by

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<v Speaker 8>twenty thirty, that's a year ahead of schedule. He even

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<v Speaker 8>said they could achieve it by twenty twenty nine. Anless

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<v Speaker 8>asked him about Starship, which kind of encapsulates Musque's big

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<v Speaker 8>plans for space, for sending people, for also startling to

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<v Speaker 8>be able to get more satellites up there, and he

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<v Speaker 8>said the decadence of flights would increase rapidly. He said

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<v Speaker 8>the heat shield, which was a concern for some investors

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<v Speaker 8>on the rocket, that it's looking very robust. So that

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<v Speaker 8>also kind of is some concerns. Is confidence in Starship

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<v Speaker 8>and in reaching that revenue. He also touted this the

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<v Speaker 8>larger V three satellites that could be a huge revenue

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<v Speaker 8>generator for Starlink, and he said that that should be

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<v Speaker 8>coming very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, pretty interesting, Lene, Thank you so much then for

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<v Speaker 2>giving us the assessment then from investment perspective, from the

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<v Speaker 2>analysis of what Mosque had to say. That is our

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<v Speaker 2>aerospace report at lean al lush Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybacube coming up after this.

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<v Speaker 1>The record low levels and the Danube River disrupting shipping

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<v Speaker 1>and crucial power generation along its route in central and

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<v Speaker 1>southeastern Europe. In Romania works a rounder way to increase

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<v Speaker 1>the water level by a few cents meters to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>electricity supplies. Our prigrilor chief Andreade it joins us now

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<v Speaker 1>for more on this story. Andre You've been reporting with

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues from across the region on how this is affecting economies.

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<v Speaker 1>How widespread is the disruption from this hot weather which

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<v Speaker 1>is pushed water levels in the Danube to such lows.

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<v Speaker 9>The situation is quite dire and widespread and expected to

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<v Speaker 9>get worse in the coming days. It's impacting trade, disrupting

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<v Speaker 9>tourist cruises and also power generation, which is key in

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<v Speaker 9>countries such as Romania and Hungary where the Danube River

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<v Speaker 9>is used to cool off the country's nuclear power plants,

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<v Speaker 9>and some of the units have to be shut down,

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<v Speaker 9>and authorities are trying to do everything to avoid a

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<v Speaker 9>full shutdown because these nuclear power plants are key for

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<v Speaker 9>power generation in these countries.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is being done then in response to the situation.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, in some countries, authorities are just waiting for rain

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<v Speaker 9>to come and there's and we're inside. But a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of activity has been happening in Romania. On Monday, authorities

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<v Speaker 9>there used four hundred pounds of explosives to blast a

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<v Speaker 9>rock formation in the river to divert some of the

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<v Speaker 9>river flow towards towards the nuclear plant. Yesterday, dozens of

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<v Speaker 9>workers we're using heavy machinery machinery to break up these

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<v Speaker 9>rocks and load them onto barges that are expected to

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<v Speaker 9>be sunk into the river today to divert more water

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<v Speaker 9>toward the water toward the nuclear plant to avoid a

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<v Speaker 9>full shutdown. All of this is happening at extreme temperatures.

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<v Speaker 9>Yesterday in the area of Romania, temperatures reached around forty

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<v Speaker 9>one degree celsius, so really difficult conditions and there's no

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<v Speaker 9>relief insight of rain coming in for the rest of

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<v Speaker 9>the week.

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<v Speaker 1>What sort of broader economic damage is this causing? Andrea,

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're talking about a river that are course serves

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<v Speaker 1>a multitude of functions for shipping. But you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>effect on power supply is something that has a really

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<v Speaker 1>significant effect, right.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's the second longest river in Europe that

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<v Speaker 9>flows through ten countries. So, and this situation has been

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<v Speaker 9>lasting for days now, so it's very hard to estimate

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<v Speaker 9>economic impact. By what we've seen so far. Authorities in Romania, Hungary,

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<v Speaker 9>Slovakia are actually asking citizens to lower power consumption, companies

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<v Speaker 9>to voluntary decrease their power consumption, so some of them

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<v Speaker 9>have already done so. Carmakers in Romania and Hungary have

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<v Speaker 9>cut down on production or shut down some production. So

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<v Speaker 9>we're seeing is and this is happening. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 9>a worse time, especially for Romania, which has been dealing

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<v Speaker 9>with high deficits and inflation and has an interium government

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<v Speaker 9>in place after months of political instability. So it's to

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<v Speaker 9>be seen that this is not a good time for

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<v Speaker 9>some of these economies to be dealing with such natural problems.

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