1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: According to Cobbs, a glam mom murders her husband in 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: his sleep is now whining the judge is ruining her life. 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: you for being with us. 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: They also find blood on the slants beneath the mattress 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: and a large blood stain on the carpet below the bed. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: It appears the bedroom had been meticulously cleaned, including bleaching 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: the walls and trying to remove the stain on the carpet. 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: We know that the parents were arrested last night on 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: no new information. Miss glad Hill's parents were arrested last 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: night with no new information, and it just feels like 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: everything surrounding her they're trying to take away. I think 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: that this pre trial protective order is a part of that. 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: Children of the victim and the defendant. There is some concern. 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: About obstruction that has been alleged to have already occurred 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: in involvement with. 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: The children, specifically, they will be likely witnesses. 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 5: In this matter. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: Ultimately the end of the day, you runner, I think 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: what this all looks like with the States currently asking 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: the court to do in a situation where we don't 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 4: know where dad is. Mom's been taking out of their love, 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 4: taken out of the kids' lives. The state is ultimately 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: asking the court to criminalize a mom being able to 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 4: talk to a third party. 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay. 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: According to sources, this so called glam mom, That wealthy 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: mom had quote whiskey fueled sex with her husband and 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: then murdered him the same night after she reveals to 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: him her sex affair with another man. Hold on, let 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 2: me get yeah, that's straight. A wealthy mom has whiskey 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: fueled sex with her husband and then she murders him 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: in his sleep after he gets angry over her sex affair. 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: I think I got that straight. And now she's whining. 36 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: The judge has set her life on fire because she's 37 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: behind bars. It's really hard for me to get my 38 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: mind around that. How does that all fit in the 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: same sentence. It doesn't make sense. But maybe Alexis Tereschuk 40 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter can make sense of it. 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: Do I have that right? 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: Allegations this glad mom has quote whiskey fueled sex with 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: her husband, then murders in the same night in his sleep. 44 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 6: She has said that they had wild sextion, She got drunk, 45 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 6: She had a bunch of whiskey. She, in fact, Baby Oh, 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 6: couldn't even remember some of the details from the night 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 6: because she was so drunk. That's what she has said 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 6: about the night that her husband disappeared died. That's all 49 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 6: she said. They got drunk, and she's fuzzy on the details. 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: Fuzzy on the details. Alexis Terestchuk, you are happily married, 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: are you not? With one incredible young son? 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Is that right? 53 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: Yes? 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: Yes? 55 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: Now let me ask you just a quick question. Do 56 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: you remember the last time you saw your husband? Yes, 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: the last time I saw my husband, he was chomping 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: around the house complaining that the internet went down. 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: I even remember exactly what he was wearing. 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So how do you get fuzzy about the last 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: time you saw your husband? 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: How does that work? 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 6: Well, she's saying that she was so drunk that she 64 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 6: can't really remember what happened she and she specifically says, 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 6: I was drinking whiskey. He came. They were together in 66 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 6: their home. They're one million dollar home by the way, 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 6: very fancy home, and that they were drinking whiskey. And 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 6: then she kind of can't really remember anything that was 69 00:03:59,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 6: going on. 70 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: Before I get to her inconsistent statement with high profile 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: lawyer Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor turn the defense attorney to 72 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, just a toss over to you, Dr Bethany, 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, Why can't rich people be happy? The woman 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: is lounging, she doesn't work, she's lounging, and a multimillion 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: dollar home. Bottom value is one million. Some people think 76 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: it would sell closer to two million. 77 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: She's got everything. Why can't she be happy? Apparently her 78 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: husband and a lover. 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if that really makes you happy, But 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: that said, why can't they just shut up and live 81 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: their wealthy lives and be happy? 82 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 7: Nancy, Whether you're rich or poor, the dynamics are the same. Greed, anger, resentment, jealousy, 83 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 7: all the emotions that lead to domestic homicide. And you 84 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 7: know what I'm also hearing, she is building a defense. 85 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 7: We call it malingering, making something up. He's lingering amnesia 86 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 7: because she had too much whiskey. She is thinking ahead, Nancy. 87 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, I hate everything that you just said. 88 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, I'm gonna prove you wrong, 89 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: straight out to Tom Smith, former NYP detective. He is 90 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: the star of the gold Shields podcast the. 91 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: Co host Tom. 92 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: How many times Bethany, doctor Bethany is saying rich or poor, 93 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, that's bs technical legal term. How many 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: times have you gone into let's just say Section eight 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: housing and you're looking for a young offender and you 96 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: find him at mommy's house and they have nothing. They 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: have nothing, no furniture, nothing in the fridge, nothing in 98 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: the cabinets, in the kitchen, nothing, And. 99 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna bust him for what. 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: Selling do so maybe selling a five rock that's a 101 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: lot different in my mind. Yes, he's got to be 102 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: brought to justice, of course he does. But there's a 103 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: big difference in that with someone that has nothing that 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: could arguably have been trying to make a living, albeit 105 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: completely illegal, as opposed to let's just say Ethan Couch, 106 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: whose defense was affluenza was so rich and affluent that 107 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: he should be pardoned when he mows down a group 108 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: of people, killing multiple people and paralyzing another who had 109 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 2: been given everything in his life on a silver platter 110 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: on top of the Christmas tree, because I see a difference. 111 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: I see a difference. 112 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 8: Well, it becomes an entitlement issue. You know that they 113 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 8: can get away with what they're whatever they're going to do. 114 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 8: I'll get past it. I'll talk my way out of it. 115 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 8: My high priced lawyer will get me off of this. 116 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 8: I just have to come up with a good story 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 8: in an alibi. And that's the mindset going into this. 118 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 8: A very pre planned murder in my mind, starting from 119 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 8: the night before and all the way through there. But 120 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 8: like I said, it sets up the alibi of the 121 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 8: influence and entitlement of what she thinks she has. 122 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: Ultimately the end of the day, runner, I think what 123 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: this all looks like with the states currently asking the 124 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: court to do in a situation where we don't know 125 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: where Dad is, Mom's been taking out of their luck, 126 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: taken out of the kids' lives. The state is ultimately 127 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: asking the court to criminalize a mom being able to 128 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 4: talk to a third party. 129 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Two. 130 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: Darald Cohen joining me, now high profile lawyer out of 131 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction, former felony prosecutor, now defense attorney, Darald Cohen. 132 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 2: The way her lawyer is talking, mom is being taken 133 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: out of their children's lives. The dad is gone translation, 134 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: the dad is murdered and mommy is charged. 135 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Why are they making that the judge's fault? 136 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 5: All right? So, Nancy, let's face it. She is accused 137 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 5: of a crime. She is not yet, if ever, convicted 138 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 5: of murder. She has the right of everyone to be 139 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 5: presumed innocent unless and until it's. 140 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 2: Not anyone asking you, Darryl, Yeah, absolutely asking you. We're 141 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: talking about the children. The judge had entered a no 142 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: contact order with the children. And you know, Darryl, I 143 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: know you're on the other side now, but you do 144 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: remember when there is domestic abuse in the home, the 145 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: children are kept away from the abuser. Her husband is dead. 146 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: Just because I haven't been able to find his body 147 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's alive. And the children are under protective custody. 148 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: Why should they talk to her? 149 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 5: Why shouldn't they talk up to her? In less than 150 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: until she. 151 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Had killed the father? According to the state. 152 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 5: According to the state, I didn't see where twelve men 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: and women said she was guilty. I didn't see where 154 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 5: she had pled guilty. I see where she has said 155 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: I don't remember what happened. That doesn't mean it's tantamount 156 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 5: to being guilty. She has a right to talk to 157 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: her kids, and more importantly, her kids have the need 158 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 5: to talk to their mom and to be with their 159 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 5: mom as best they can. 160 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: So, Daryl Cohen, are you arguing, which it seems you are, 161 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: that witness intimidation is not an issue. 162 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: It would be a cold day. 163 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: In HGL when you were a prosecutor that you would 164 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,239 Speaker 2: allow an adult charged in a murder talk to potential 165 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: child witnesses that had possibly seen what happened in the 166 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: home at the time of the murder. 167 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 5: I would assume, Nancy, the detectives have seen all that 168 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 5: they can see, have made their decisions, written their reports, 169 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 5: and given video if necessary, and she has a right 170 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 5: to see as best she can her kids. She's incarcerated, 171 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 5: so she can't visually see them, but she can talk 172 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 5: to them, and there's no excuse for not to be 173 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 5: able to talk to them. And Nancy, you and I 174 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 5: both know that every call in every court and when 175 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: you're in jail is recorded, So if she were to 176 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 5: try and go off the ranch, they wouldn't hear it, 177 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 5: and that would be evidence against her. So your argument 178 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 5: just does apply. 179 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Well, this is what the Prosecutor Emily Paulos has to 180 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: say these children are in fact potential witnesses. 181 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 9: And the state is in fact open to readdressing a 182 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 9: no contact order in the future once the investigation is 183 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 9: more complete and the children on an advice of potentially 184 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 9: of a therapist. And I thought i'd be helpful to 185 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 9: update you regarding the children's status. So they are currently 186 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 9: in dc FS custody with a temporary placement with family. 187 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 9: I believe the plan is for the children to start 188 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 9: engaging in therapy in addressing the loss of their father 189 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 9: and the fact that their mother has been charged with 190 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 9: his murder. 191 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: I want you to hear what they thorough. District Judge 192 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: Todd Olson says Ms. 193 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 10: Gledhill for now and until Judge maw tells you something differently, ma'am, 194 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 10: I am going to order that you have no contact 195 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 10: with so ma'am. That means no in person, no telephonic, 196 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 10: no electronic contact, ma'am. If you're released, you may not 197 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 10: go near their residence, school, you may not have anyone 198 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 10: else contact them on your behalf and ma'am, while disorder 199 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 10: is in effect, you may not possess a weapon or ammunition. 200 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: Miss Gledhill. 201 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 10: Do you understand everything I just told you? 202 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: Yes. 203 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 204 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 11: Jennifer glud Hill tells her lover that her husband yelled 205 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 11: at her because he knew she was sleeping with someone else, 206 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 11: so that night, when he went to sleep in the 207 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 11: bed day's chair, she shot him in the head. The 208 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 11: confidential informant goes on to tell his handlers that after 209 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 11: shooting her husband, she put his body in a rooftop 210 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 11: storage container, then slid him down the stairs of their 211 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 11: home and loaded his body into a mini van. Gludhill 212 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 11: told him she had dug a hole somewhere north of 213 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 11: their home and Barry Johnson's body in a shallow grave. 214 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 11: Matthew Johnson is still missing. 215 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: Question how would the CI confidential informant know those very 216 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: intimate details, and if those details are true, would there 217 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: have been blood evidence to corroborate the CI. What we're 218 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: looking at is a nobody murder case. That's what's happening 219 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: right now. And joining me. Doctor high Severs, renowned certified 220 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: blood stained pattern analysts. You can find her online at 221 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: sever Forensics dot com. Doctor Severs, thank you for being 222 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: with us. You heard the scenario laid out by a 223 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: confidential informant. Now, in my world, confidential informants are usually 224 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: on the wrong side of the law. 225 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're going to. 226 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: Need for CI to be believable in front of a 227 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: jury is corroboration. Translation, I need blood evidence to support 228 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: that theory. That theory about a rooftop storage container being 229 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: slid downstairs and then into the waiting minivan. Now we've 230 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: got some corroboration from neighbors that say they observed the 231 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: car back into the garage. 232 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: Is that normal? You know minivan back ends? Raise up? 233 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so why would you part in reverse that way? 234 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: Was there room in the garage? That's a whole nother 235 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: can of worms. But talk to me about the blood 236 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: stain evidence. 237 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 12: Absolutely so, in a situation like this, I would fully 238 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 12: expect for there to be blood stain patterns, whether they're altered, 239 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 12: probably from clean up attempts, but they're still there. If 240 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 12: what the informant said is true, we likely would find 241 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 12: remnants of spatter. It's very hard to see with the 242 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 12: naked eye every single tiny individual droplet of spatter from 243 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 12: an impact stain like that, as well as it's a 244 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 12: great undertaking to clean up that much blood, especially in 245 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 12: absorbent fabrics like the bedding, the flooring, the carpet, as 246 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 12: well as the mattress itself and on that bed brain well. 247 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: A copious amount of blood has been used in other 248 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: cases to prove a murder. 249 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: Does the name Jennifer Dulos ring a bell? Listen? 250 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 13: Jennifer Dulos and Fotus Dulos Mary In two thousand and four. 251 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 13: Thirteen years later, the couple file for divorce. The circumstances 252 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 13: are anything but amiable. Jennifer Dulo's files for an emergency 253 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 13: order for full custody of their five children. Jennifer Dulos 254 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 13: told the judge quote, I am afraid of my husband. 255 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 13: I know that filing for divorce and filing this motion 256 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 13: will enrage him. I know he will retaliate by trying 257 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 13: to harm me in some way. Fotis Dulos denied all claims, 258 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 13: alleging himself that Jennifer Dulo's disparaged him in front of 259 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 13: the children. The emergency order is denied and the couple 260 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 13: are granted shared custody of the children. 261 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: And here comes the blood evidence as it relates to 262 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: Jennifer Dulos another no body murder. 263 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: Listen. 264 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: When investigators arrived at Jennifer Dulo's home, blood stains are 265 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: visible not only on the garage floor, but garbage cans 266 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: and a car parked in the garage. The car in 267 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: the garage was not the Chevy suburban the mom was 268 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: known to drive. Police initiate a search for her vehicle. 269 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: A little over an hour later, in just three miles 270 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: from the home, officers find the abandoned suburban by Waveny Park. 271 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: It contains blood evidence too. Back at the home, investigators 272 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: determined someone had tried to clean the concrete floor. 273 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: Speaking off blood evidence that we will need to corroborate 274 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: a confidential informant. 275 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: Jury's going to wonder how does the CI know all of. 276 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: These intimate details about the murder unless they did it 277 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: or they were there. Alexa Tueschut, joining US Crime online 278 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter, What if any is the blood 279 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: evidence in the case in sheef. 280 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 6: There's actually a lot of blood evidence. The investigators went 281 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 6: to the home underneath the bed, the marital bed in 282 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 6: their bedroom. They moved the bed on the carpet below it. 283 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 6: There was a big stain, huge They cut it out 284 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 6: on the wall behind the bed. There wasn't blood that 285 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: you could see, but it had been clearly cleaned very 286 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 6: heavily the whole place. It smelled like bleach, like chlorine. 287 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 6: There was also the box spring was completely missing, and 288 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 6: there was the brand new mattress that had just been 289 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 6: ordered that arrived six days after he disappeared for the 290 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 6: first time. But there was lots of blood in the bedroom. 291 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 6: They found brown stain on the wall, so the police, 292 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 6: the investigators cut out the carpet and took it and 293 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 6: sent it to the lab. And the lab came back 294 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 6: and said DNA matched that this is male blood and 295 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 6: they are working to determine because this case is breaking 296 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 6: right now that they are working to determine if it 297 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 6: was his or not. But there was probably not another 298 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 6: male in the bedroom murdered. 299 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: Another similar case is that of eleven year old Gannon Stouch, 300 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: his mother ultimately prosecuted after blood evidence involving a mattress 301 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 2: was found. 302 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: Listen El Paso County sheriff suddenly shift their investigation from 303 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: a missing person to a homicide when they discover evidence 304 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 3: that eleven year old Gannon Stock may not be alive. 305 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: Agin and stepmother Letitia Stout tells investigators Gannon left on 306 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: foot for a friend's house and never returned home. But 307 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: sheriff's find blood spatter on the walls near Gannon's bed, 308 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: stains on the carpet that bled onto the concrete below, 309 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: and a large brown stain on the boy's mattress. DNA 310 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: to reveals it's Gannon's blood. 311 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: Back to doctor Heidie Sievers joining us bloodstained pattern expert. Yes, 312 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: I understand about the blood under the mattress seeping through 313 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: the carpet. I understand about the blood on the mattress 314 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: that had to be replaced in a new mattress purchased 315 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: the SEAI is my issue right now. The state has 316 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: to find a way to corroborate and buttress the confidential 317 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: informants credibility and what the CI is saying, specifically that 318 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: the dead body of the husband was put in a container. 319 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: The container was dragged down the steps and put in 320 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: the minivan. The only way to corroborate that is if 321 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: you could find, for instance, dragging evidence of the blood 322 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: showing the body had been dragged somewhere toward the stairwell 323 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: when the body allegedly was put in a storage container. 324 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: What would that blood evidence look like? 325 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Great question. 326 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 14: We would be looking for, essentially, like you said, a 327 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 14: drag pattern, some swiping alterations from where the incident occurred 328 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 14: in the bedroom down to that stair the stairwell, and 329 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 14: then continuing down the stairs into the garage. Just because 330 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 14: we can't see the bloodstains, it doesn't mean that they're 331 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 14: not there. There are chemicals to help us find those, 332 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 14: regardless of cleaning, regardless of helly, and they. 333 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 5: May appear. 334 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 335 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: So who is this confidential informant that knows so much 336 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: about the glam mom's. 337 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: Sex life with her husband? 338 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: Who would know that she's having an affair and that 339 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: that somehow caused the murder of the husband. 340 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: Listen, It's a story that sounds like the script for 341 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: a movie. A please inform man tells police he knows 342 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 3: that a missing man is actually dead, murdered by his wife. 343 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: Asked how he could possibly know that Jennifer Gludhill killed 344 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: her missing husband Utah National Guardsman Matthew Johnson. The informant 345 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 3: tells police that Jennifer Gledhill and her husband were fighting 346 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: over Jennifer being unfaithful and after Johnson yells at Gluedhill 347 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: for cheating. She waits until he falls asleep in the 348 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: bed they share, then shoots him. 349 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: So to you, Alexis Raschuk, the confidential informant that knows 350 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: so much about motive for murder is who. 351 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 6: It's her boyfriend. It's the man she's having an affair with. 352 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 6: Its like she she was accused by her husband. He 353 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 6: found out that she was cheating on him, and that's 354 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 6: when they got in a fight. That's what she says. 355 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 6: So she goes over. The informant tells the police. He 356 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: contacts the police himself. He's not anybody that is under suspicion. 357 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 6: He called the cops and said, she came over to 358 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 6: my house and she told me, well, I killed my husband, 359 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 6: and she gave serious details. She said, I shot him, 360 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 6: I cleaned the body up, I smashed his cell phone, 361 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 6: I drove his truck and hid it away, and then 362 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 6: I took his body and I drove north and I 363 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 6: buried it in a shallow grave. She confessed this all 364 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 6: to him, and he called the cops. That was her 365 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 6: boyfriend's and she was saying to him, you know, I 366 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 6: when I would tell somebody that I did something like this, 367 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 6: I expect you to say to me, hang on a minute, 368 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 6: let me get a shovel. I'll go with you. So 369 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 6: she really thought that their bond was so strong that 370 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: he was going to help her cover up this crime, 371 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 6: and instead he went straight to the cops. 372 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I smell a defense joining me, a renowned defense 373 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Darryl Cohen. So now 374 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: I've got the CI confidential informant is actually and I 375 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: don't know why Alexis Tereschuk keeps calling him her boyfriend 376 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: like they're in the eighth grade holding hands secretly by 377 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: the water cooler in middle school. This would be her lover, 378 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: be the guy that's cheating with a married woman. For 379 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: all I know, he's married too. That's who we're talking about. 380 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: We already know he's a cheater, so we know that 381 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: he's going to have a credibility issue in front of 382 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: a jury. But Daryl Cohen, there's so much more. There's 383 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: a much bigger problem. They're going to do this at trial. 384 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: How do I know the boyfriend, as Alexis Tereschuk calls him, 385 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: isn't coming forward and blaming her to cover his own tracks. 386 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: There's her defense right there there. 387 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 5: It is Nancy right out in front. He is coming forward. 388 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 5: We don't know how vetted he is. We don't know 389 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: what he does for a living. We don't know if 390 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 5: he's a convicted felon. We don't know if he's the 391 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 5: greatest guy on earth other than having an affair with 392 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 5: a married woman, and as you point out, he may 393 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 5: or may not be married. How do we know he 394 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 5: has any truth in him? If we find one lie, 395 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 5: one lie that every other bit of his testimony is questionable? 396 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 5: Are you telling the truth now? You didn't? Are you 397 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 5: hop about this testimony? Is that truthful? You've got to 398 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 5: give us more. I don't put any credibility in him 399 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 5: at this moment. And as far as he is concerned, 400 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 5: he is probably doing everything he can to make sure 401 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: that I don't get arrested, that I am not convicted. 402 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 5: For all we know, she killed her husband, or he 403 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 5: killed her husband, or they killed her husband. But he 404 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: is definitely doing everything he can to not be the 405 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: fish that's caught. He's wiggling and wiggling and wiggling. 406 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: And that's why it is so important, don't you see this? 407 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: Thomas Smith? 408 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: NYPD former detective that she doesn't get to talk to 409 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: those children because they were in the home the night 410 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: that daddy allegedly is murdered in his sleep. 411 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: So in order to prove she's. 412 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: A killer and not her lover, we have to have 413 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: an airtight alibi for the lover, because how else would 414 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 2: he know all of these details of the murder unless 415 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: he was there or did she tell him the details? 416 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: How do we know he's not involved? 417 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: And that's how the children can come into play, because 418 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: they may be able to place daddy alive at a 419 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: certain time that night, he read me a bedtime story, 420 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: he did this, he did that, we had supper together. 421 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, but placing daddy alive that night and 422 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: then alibi the boyfriends, see what I mean? 423 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 8: No, one hundred percent, And you know, like I just 424 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 8: said before, that's the key reason of not letting anyone 425 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 8: near these children, because all one of those children need 426 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 8: to say is there was a knock on the door, 427 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 8: The doorbell rang, and Mommy went to the door and 428 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 8: talk to a man, and then that's it, and then 429 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 8: it goes from there. But confidential informants get in front 430 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 8: of crimes. Now, could this have been a conversation that 431 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 8: they had at some point of her thoughts of getting 432 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 8: out of this marriage by killing her husband and lead 433 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 8: out an entire plan to this guy. And then he 434 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 8: finds out this happened. Oh yeah, he's going to run 435 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 8: to the police to make sure he doesn't get pointed 436 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 8: at or fingered by her having an involvement in this. 437 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 8: He may have the knowledge of it, you know, in 438 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 8: a planning stage, and then that's that's the knowledge he 439 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 8: has right now. But going to the police is a 440 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 8: classic CI move to get in front of being pointed 441 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 8: at for a crime. 442 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: What more do we know about the lover. We know 443 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: that it was an alleged sex affair. We know the 444 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: lover is stating Alexis Tereschak jump in. The alleged lover 445 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: is stating the Gland mom murders her husband after. 446 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: Whiskey fueled sex. 447 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: When she confesses her affair or he learns about the affair, 448 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: he which one. 449 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: She told him. 450 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 6: I believe that she told him and he got furious 451 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 6: with her and then she held him. But she also 452 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 6: to this boyfriend was sending messages on WhatsApp, which is 453 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 6: an app. You know that's not not traceable. It's supposed 454 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 6: to be pretty secure, and the boyfriend says sorry. The 455 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 6: lover says that he was taking screenshots of it because 456 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 6: she was instantly deleting her messages, so she's texting him 457 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 6: all of these details and he's trying to grab all 458 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 6: this evidence to prove that he was not part of it. 459 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: Alexis, this is major what you're saying right there that 460 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: may completely do away with the claim that the CI 461 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: lover is at fault. Is the one who committed the murder? 462 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 2: Are you telling me that glam Mom glad Hill was 463 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: what's happening, Yes, her lover at the time of the murder. 464 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 6: No, not at the time of the murdyer, sorry, after 465 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 6: the murder, that's. 466 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: When she was doing it. 467 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 6: It was after she planned. So they remember you said 468 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 6: you have three children, that she has three children. She 469 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 6: had those children stay at her parents' house the night 470 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 6: that her husband disappeared, and then she called her parents 471 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 6: the next day and said, oh, can the kids stay 472 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 6: another day? So she made sure that those children were 473 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 6: not anywhere near there when she killed daddy, and then 474 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 6: she drove her to the boyfriend's house told him, and 475 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 6: after that she kept texting him details about things. Really 476 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 6: just commit so he says, And he says, he took 477 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 6: screenshots and he showed them to the cops of their conversations, 478 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 6: even though she was quickly deleting them after she would 479 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 6: write it. So really trying, it seems like to get 480 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 6: him to be part of this cover up. 481 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: Okay, that puts everything in a whole new line. Daryl Cohen, 482 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: defense attorney, You're gonna have to come up with a 483 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: different defense because if the lover has screenshots where she's saying, hey, 484 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: I just shot my husband in the head. 485 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to get rid of the body. 486 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 2: If he's got that and he goes to police with that, 487 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: he's in the clear. 488 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Darryl. 489 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 5: If if once upon a time in the land will 490 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 5: never never land, I have made up a story. If 491 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 5: he has screen shi, yes, if he is testifying, maybe, 492 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 5: If he is testifying, likely not unless he has hard 493 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: physical evidence to show that this is what happened, and 494 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 5: the fact that he's pretty. 495 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: Hard Darryl Cohen, I never thought I'd say those words 496 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: to you, but that's pretty hard because if he has 497 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 2: screenshots of her saying, hey, guess what, I shot him 498 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: in the head. Now I got to get rid of 499 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: the body or any words to that effect. That is 500 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: bombshell evidence that ruins one of her defenses. So what 501 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: in order to blame him, they would have to claim 502 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: he fabricated those what's happened. 503 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 5: That's why whether or not he has a screenshot or 504 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 5: two makes a big difference. At this point, we will 505 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 5: see and we just don't know. 506 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: We are hearing that there are text messages in addition 507 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: to those what's apps. 508 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 509 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: Text messages on glud Hill's phone are leading authorities to 510 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: believe Matthew Johnson is buried location Glahill's friend previously described, 511 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: but Johnson's body has not been recovered. Cottenwood Heights PD 512 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: are still searching with assistance from cadaver dogs, and hopeful 513 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: the father of three will be located quickly to provide 514 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: his family with some sense of closure. 515 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: So will those text messages prove that the so called 516 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: glam mom murdered her husband? And now, in the middle 517 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: of all of this, let me just say, there's no 518 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: nice way to put it. There's a turd in the 519 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: punch bowl, a fly in the ointment, as Shakespeare would say, 520 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: her parents have been arrested. 521 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 15: Listen investigators find a neighbor who says they saw Jennifer 522 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 15: Gledhill's parents at the house cleaning until late into the evening, 523 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 15: even though her mother's on record as saying they had 524 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 15: only been there for an hour. Jennifer Gledhill's mother says 525 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 15: she purchased a mattress from Amazon at her daughter's request. 526 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 16: Sirch Epherds are still ongoing for the remains of National 527 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 16: Guard soldier Matthew j after his estranged wife says she 528 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 16: buried him in a shallow grave. 529 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: Detectives get a search warrent to search the home of 530 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: Jennifer Gluhill's parents. During the search, they find a plastic 531 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: tote that contained a Glock nineteen X box wrapped in 532 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: a child's onesie. The gun container matches the gun model 533 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: that Gluhill showed to the man she was sleeping with, 534 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: who was a confidential informant for the police. Investigators were 535 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: able to track GPS data for the day Jennifer Gluhill 536 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: allegedly killed her husband, and the data reveals she traveled 537 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: to where her husband's truck was later recovered, and she 538 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: was caught on camera at a service station cleaning her car. 539 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: The arrest of the parents of the so called glam 540 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: mom could swing this case. Let me understand something to 541 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk. A plastic tote containing a glock 542 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: found wrapped and a child's onesie. 543 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: That's quite the dichotomy. Was that found in the parent's home. 544 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 6: It was, Yes, absolutely, it was hidden wrapped inside a 545 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 6: child's onesie, you know, like a little sleeping outfit, and 546 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 6: in the parent's house and the police found it there. 547 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that inside you couldn't see the onesie, 548 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: or you couldn't see the glock if you just saw 549 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: the top of the toad. 550 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: So it could be argued. 551 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: The parents didn't know they were actually concealing a murder weapon, 552 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: that there was a gun wrapped in a onesie inside 553 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: of that. But there seems to be more than a 554 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: glot wrapped in a onesie. 555 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 11: Listen, it is not against the law to help a 556 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 11: family member with cleaning up a house unless you were 557 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 11: trying to cover up a crime. That is what police 558 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 11: say Thomas Gledhill and Rosalie glued Hill were doing when 559 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 11: they spend five hours cleaning their daughter Jennifer's house. Seventy 560 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 11: one year old Thomas and sixty seven years old Rosalie 561 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 11: Gludhill have been charged with obstruction of justice for helping 562 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 11: their daughter clean her million dollar home after Jennifer Gledhill 563 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 11: allegedly shot and killed her husband while he slept in 564 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 11: their bed. 565 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what's happening here to doctor Bethany Marshall, 566 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: why is it that after a murder occurs, people suddenly 567 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: become neat nicks. 568 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: They begin cleaning up. 569 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: Remember after Jodi Arius murdered Travis Alexander, she cleaned the 570 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: whole thing up other than the dead body in the shower, 571 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: but even thought to do the laundry. 572 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: Whoopsie, she left. 573 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: Her Digi camera and the laundry and had a picture 574 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: of her foot next to Travis Alexander's dead body. That's 575 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: carrying and cleanup a little too far, right. She forgot 576 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: to clean up the actual evidence. Why are the parents 577 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: in this home for over five hours cleaning up? Coincidentally 578 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: right after the son in law goes missing. 579 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, they can't bear the out their daughter spending 580 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 7: the rest of her life in jail, because that is 581 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 7: what is going to happen. But I think we're also 582 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 7: going to find out that Jennifer Gledhill has probably been 583 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 7: maneuvering against her husband for years, trying to co opt 584 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 7: her parents and her lover into thinking that he's abusive 585 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 7: or he's a bad person, or making it seem that 586 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 7: it is perfectly reasonable to kill him, and they gladly 587 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 7: go along with it. 588 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: The parents, this is. 589 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 7: Their son in law for many many years. This is 590 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 7: the father of their three beautiful grandchildren. They are colluding 591 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 7: with their daughter and killing him. And I think we're 592 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 7: also going to find out about the ci, the lover, 593 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 7: the informant, that this was a part of their fantasy life, 594 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 7: that they were going to get rid of him, that 595 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 7: he too had been co opted into the fairy tale, 596 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 7: that the husband was abusive and he doesn't even deserve 597 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 7: to be alive anymore. And it is certain point when 598 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 7: it really happened, and we still don't know his total participation. 599 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 7: He had to pull out so that he wouldn't be 600 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 7: caught as a co conspirator in this crime. 601 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a big difference, Bethany, between your fantasy of 602 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: having this woman the glam mom let Hill alter yourself 603 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: and finally getting her. I mean, there's the old saying, 604 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: be careful what you wish for, for you will surely 605 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: get it. 606 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: She's all his now, you know. 607 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: To doctor Heidi Savers joining us, let's saint pattern expert 608 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: the mom and dad and think about it. One of 609 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: sixty seven one is seventy one and glam Mom has 610 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 2: landed them behind bars. If the allegations are true. I'm 611 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: sure they did a wonderful job at cleaning her home, 612 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: but it's really hard to get rid of all the 613 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: blood evidence. 614 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh. 615 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 17: Absolutely as good of his job as they think they did. 616 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 17: In the eyes of forensics and bloodstained detection, they probably 617 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 17: did a very subpar job. It's very difficult to obliterate 618 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 17: any traces of blood, and they might visually not see 619 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 17: any red brown staining anymore. But it's still there, and 620 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 17: our chemicals are strong enough to detect it. 621 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 9: And tell us that there's something there. 622 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: For further inquiry, Alexis Tereshchut, you didn't tell me the 623 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 2: parents spent the whole day cleaning up for home, and. 624 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 6: They lied about it. They told investigators because they had 625 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 6: spoken with them. They said, oh, we are just there 626 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 6: for about an hour, just over at the home, but 627 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 6: the neighbors told the police. They said, no, it wasn't 628 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 6: just an hour. They were there until eleven o'clock at night. 629 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 6: They've been there for absolute hours. So even the parents 630 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 6: are lying to police about what happened. They're lying about it. 631 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 16: They're trying to set everything my client loves on fire. 632 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 16: The attorney of the wealthy Utah mom accused of killing 633 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 16: her husband angrily lashes out at the judge. 634 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a parent 635 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: has been prosecuted for covering up the murder committed by 636 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: their child. I can't help but remember Crystal Smith, who 637 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: was prosecuted for washing her son Aidan Fucci's bloody jeans 638 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: after he murdered a teen girl cheerleader Tristan Bailey. 639 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 3: Aidan Fucci is accused of killing his classmate, thirteen year 640 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 3: old cheerleader Tristan Bailey. Police released videos of Fucci laughing 641 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 3: in the backseat of a police car, as well as 642 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 3: a video showing Fucci's mother, Crystal Smith, washing the blood 643 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: out of her son's jeanes hours after Fucci allegedly murdered 644 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: Tristan Bailey by stabbing her one hundred and fourteen times, one. 645 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: Hundred and fourteen times, this little girl was stabbed, stabbed dead, 646 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: and mommy washed her son's bloody jeans. Well, she ends 647 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: up getting prosecuted for that. And then there is the 648 00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: Aidol case. 649 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: Listen. 650 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: Dan Markell is murdered in his car at his home 651 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: in Tallahassee, Florida. Investigators find a bitter custody issue has 652 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: been ongoing between Markell and his ex wife Wendy Aedelson. 653 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 3: Adelson denies knowledge of anything, but her brother Charlie is 654 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: con in the middle of a murder for higher plot 655 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 3: to kill Dan Markell. Charlie's mother, Donna Adelson, is caught 656 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 3: on jail house phone recordings discussing the murder, and investigators 657 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: determined she has been involved in the conspiracy to kill Markel. 658 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: With Markell out of the picture, Wendy Aedelson can move 659 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 3: for children closer to their grandmother Donna Adelson in South Florida. 660 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 3: Donna Adelson is arrested as she is waiting in line 661 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 3: to border flight to Vietnam after buying a one way 662 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: ticket to the non extradition country. 663 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: Wow, we were waiting trial in that case. So alexis 664 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: Teresschuk what are the charges against glam Moom's parents. 665 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 6: Obstruction of justice so far, that is what they've been 666 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 6: charged with, and they were arrested. These are these people 667 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 6: in their sixties and seventies and their daughter and also 668 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 6: the mom and dad had ordered the new mattress. They said, oh, 669 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 6: she asked us to get her a new mattress. We 670 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 6: ordered it from Amazon. The dad apparently texted her that 671 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 6: police have evidence of this and said, oh, the new 672 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 6: mattress is outside your house. Which, while not a crime 673 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 6: to buy a new mattress, if they'd been there helping 674 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 6: clean up the old mattress that was bloody because she 675 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 6: shot her husband in it, that is obstruction of justice. 676 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 2: And you know, Daryl Cohen, the parents could argue, well, 677 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: she told us it was self defense, that he was 678 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 2: beating her in approaching her with a knife, so she shot. 679 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: And we don't know what the parents are going to say. 680 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: They're actually grandparents, But that does not negate intent to 681 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: cover up a crime. Would that actually work in court? 682 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 5: It would mitigate in court depending on the attitude of 683 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 5: the grandparents if they testify, depending on their demeanor, depending 684 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 5: on their facial expressions, depending on their body language, and 685 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 5: depending most importantly, whether or not they and the jury 686 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 5: can get together a motion. If the jury resonates with them, 687 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 5: it can work beautifully. All those poor grandparents are going 688 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 5: through all this terrible stuff. It's terrible, or the jury 689 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: can say this is outrageous. I cannot even believe that 690 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 5: they would testify. I understand there feeling terrible for their daughter. 691 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 5: But you don't lie. You tell the truth. Are you kydbms? 692 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 5: You keep your damn big mouth shut, and that means 693 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 5: you don't do anything. 694 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 8: So. 695 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 2: Jennifer Gledhill, the so called glam mom, is accused of 696 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: murdering her husband after a night of quote whiskey fueled sex. 697 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 2: After she confesses her sex affair and he gets angry, 698 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: how dare he? She shoots him while he's asleep, that's 699 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: the allegation, then does a massive cleanup. She gets arrested. 700 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: The body still hasn't been found. But he's a no show. 701 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: He's been gone now for weeks, not with his children, 702 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 2: not going to work, nothing, not a his vehicle found abandoned. 703 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: Her children don't have a dad, they don't have a 704 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 2: mom because she's behind bars. Her lover has turned against her, 705 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 2: and both of her parents have been arrested on felony charges. 706 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 2: Yet this mom, it's. 707 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: All me, me, me, me me, She. 708 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 2: Actually says, the judge is torching, setting a fire everything 709 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: in her life. If you know or think you know 710 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 2: anything about this case, including the whereabouts and the movements 711 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 2: of the so called glam Mom Jennifer Gladhill, or the 712 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: location or the whereabouts the movements of her husband's vehicle, 713 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 2: dial this number eight zero one eight for zero four thousand, 714 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 2: to repeat eight zero one eight for zero four thousand. 715 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 2: The investigation is still very much active. Thank you to 716 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 2: all of our guests for being with us, but especially 717 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 2: to you, Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,