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Speaker 1: number one. On this Monday morning, UFC Atlantic City at

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Speaker 1: the Old Boardwalk Hall and women's strawweights. In the main event,

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Speaker 1: the expected trilogy this fall between champion Alexa Grosso and

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Speaker 1: former champion Valentina Chevchenko. And in this one it was

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Speaker 1: myn own Farrow taking a unanimous decision from Aaron Blanchfield. Wow,

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Speaker 1: this was a big breakthrough, so Luke Thomas. Great performance

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Speaker 1: from Farrow. But for all the talk and all the hype,

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Speaker 1: we had coming in about unbeting Aaron Blanchfield. What does

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Speaker 1: this loss in the way that it happened say about

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Speaker 1: her current stock at age twenty four?

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Speaker 2: Right now, Well, listen, I think when it comes to

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Speaker 2: when you lose somewhat thoroughly in a five round main event.

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Speaker 2: But the point that you also noted at twenty four

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Speaker 2: she is not in her technical prime. It was one sided,

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Speaker 2: plan in any kind of a way to threaten Fuerreau Pharoh.

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Speaker 2: I never know how to say her last name.

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Speaker 1: It looks like I was. It looks like they're going

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Speaker 2: what extent Blanchfield was overhyped. Listen, when she can get

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Speaker 2: Farah took that away and it turned out that Blanchfield

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Speaker 1: You are in my life.

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Speaker 2: I should say, listen, let's quickly quickly go through with it. Ready, BC,

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Speaker 2: here we go, Pantoja, he's gonna be fighting ersa Erse

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Speaker 2: Fioreau enters this number one contender's position as a decision machine.

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Speaker 2: here is a very talented, deserving contender who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: I really thought you could have made a strong argument

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Speaker 1: not for any bad boys. Switt decision, just four and

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Speaker 2: not even that, Like, I'll tell you why. It was

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Speaker 2: I knew she would try something like that. Like that

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Speaker 2: but this is high level prize fighting. I'm much more

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Speaker 2: agree at age twenty four, the wagon which she had

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Speaker 2: those things are gonna prove to be very valuable lessons

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Speaker 2: for someone of twenty four years old, who ID still

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Speaker 2: I think Seminar.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know who just jumped in our

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Speaker 2: Probably look forward to firing him from this job as well.

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Speaker 1: Did you know's that's from Australia. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: The what I wanted to make is about farroh. I

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Speaker 2: with Blanchefield, she was literally throwing her around at her

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Speaker 2: stronger than Grosso and certainly every part of Schevchenko's match,

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Speaker 2: depending on which one she ends up getting. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I really want to know, so you So I said

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Speaker 2: Sorry, but the knock on her is dude her. If

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Speaker 2: I think in the UFC. But ever since then it's

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Speaker 2: But the reality is it's uh you are risking things

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Speaker 2: the entire time you do that. The best fighters are

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Speaker 2: do some kind of where you make one tiny Leon

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Speaker 2: Edwards mistake like you did against nay Diz. They didn't win,

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Speaker 2: with that kind of intensity, and to the extent that

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Speaker 2: I mean walking into this position, there's no denying she's

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Speaker 2: It kind of bums me out that a time when

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Speaker 2: no rivalries, storyline. I I celebrate her ability. I do

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Speaker 2: does not confer high entertainment. Entertained on Saturday by her

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Speaker 1: I didn't see this coming from ult all right. I

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Speaker 2: That's the question, right, I mean if she was doing that,

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Speaker 1: All right, play faro, sorry, Fior min ol Fior thirty

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Speaker 1: For Blanchefield, it's obvious that we're going back to the

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Speaker 1: is it head movement? Because it wasn't as if it was,

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Speaker 2: Okay, there were two major problems that I saw watching

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Speaker 2: Fierau at all. So all she had to do was wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: see all of the entries that Blanchefield was making over

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Speaker 2: who's really good at selling his faints, Sean O'Malley. Sure,

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Speaker 2: not everyone can be, Sean O'Malley.

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Speaker 1: I understand have an open marriage, not everyone should.

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Speaker 2: What I'm just trying to point out is getting better

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Speaker 1: So not on a variety of takedowns, because she was

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Speaker 2: From the body lock, not from not from a single

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Speaker 1: You want threat of an angle pick of as Brendan

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Speaker 2: Figure It's exactly correct that double a couldn't figure out.

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Speaker 1: For I mean, I wouldn't ask you that know. We

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Speaker 2: Buddy, if it surprised me big time. I mean now

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Speaker 2: it's like, I know that Blanchfield can do single leg attacks.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she had some kind of injury. I don't know

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Speaker 1: She is it fair? To say that Blanchfield had better

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Speaker 1: moral victory points, but I almost feel like her striking

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Speaker 1: regressed in this fight. I never considered Blanchfield and anywhere

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Speaker 1: She does that, I felt like, though once she started

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Speaker 2: Just a different one. Androge was willing to plant and

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Speaker 2: then trade. That is not what forew does forrow sticks

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Speaker 2: all of those things she did very well. But she

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Speaker 2: She never tried to put her foot on the neck

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Speaker 2: You look at what for example, Suporia couldn't finish Josh

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Speaker 2: close several times, took mount on him. Foro, just takes

429
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Speaker 2: a comfortable lead and then just rides. It would be the.

430
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Speaker 1: First point fighter to reach the elite levels.

431
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Speaker 2: Though, no nor the last. But at a time for

432
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Speaker 2: me when women's MMA is really lacking a standout figure,

433
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a little bit on the disappointing

434
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Speaker 2: side that we have somebody who is that talented yet

435
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: that somewhat reserved. It's just unfortunate.

436
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be the next fight,

437
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 1: but I really want to see Blanchfield against Macy Barber.

438
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot I can Again, there's no there

439
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 2: is an out of doubt in my mind that Blanchfield

440
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: is gonna come out of this one two three years

441
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: later looking so much better, so many more details to

442
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 2: her game, so much more sophistication. This was too much

443
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: too soon. Yeah, fair enough skill level still high.

444
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: All right, this wasn't the only topic worth talking about

445
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,719
Speaker 1: from UFC Atlantic City over the weekend. And by the way,

446
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 1: shout out to new Manza Joaquin Buckley in that co

447
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: main event, just absolutely laying waste of Vicente Luce reinventing

448
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: himself at Walter wayde and making a big statement right there.

449
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: But the fight that got a lot more attention was

450
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,959
Speaker 1: the fight right before that, former middleweight champion Chris Widman,

451
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 1: back at thirty nine, his second straight fight, trying to

452
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: recover from a broken leg. Unfortunately for him, of what

453
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: we saw against Brad Tavaris last time where he broke

454
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Speaker 1: the other leg. Coming back from the disastrous break, Bruno

455
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: Silva in his in front of him and four ipokes later,

456
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: Chris Widman won a TKO that was changed changed without

457
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: really telling anybody to a technical decision, with Wideman winning

458
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: all three rounds rightfully, So Twitter blew up X if

459
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: you will, Wideman saying afterwards, Hey, sorry, man, you know

460
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: in this fight game, if you get poked in the eye,

461
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: you can't just fall over and crawl up. You're gonna

462
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: get a stoppage on you.

463
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: Luke.

464
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Speaker 1: I don't know how in the hell this decision upheld

465
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Speaker 1: because Widman poked Silver in round two Big Stoppage, poked

466
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 1: Silva early in round three at the same time that

467
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: Silva punched him in his already open cut and the

468
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: punch carried through and did touch his eyes, So I

469
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Speaker 1: guess in Widman's eyes were even now on pokes even

470
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: though it's really two to one. And then Widman does

471
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: two I pokes on the finishing set sequence and a

472
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: rabbit punch to knock him down, and then.

473
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Speaker 2: It's like the only thing he didn't do his mom.

474
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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, Wiman's like, sorry, dude, this

475
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: is a fight. If you get hit in the eye,

476
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: you gotta keep fighting. And then Wideman celebrated like he

477
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: won the super Bowl and in the Midway Championship on

478
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Speaker 1: the same night. This is not a Chris Widman hate fest. Okay,

479
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: the heart that he showed to get back the stubbornness,

480
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: it's why he is the All American. But what is

481
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: wrong with our rule set in Elite Mma that this

482
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Speaker 1: could go down even if Widman won the first two

483
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Speaker 1: rounds and there's no argument. Although I thought Silva came

484
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: back in the end of the second round. But how

485
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: do you justify four ipokes leading to a stoppage and

486
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: then you just go whether you call it a TKO

487
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: or a technical division. Sorry, Bruno, we don't talk about

488
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: you anymore.

489
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's so many problems here. I guess

490
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: there's two major ones, right, So what would the proper

491
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: protocol have been? Aaron Bronstad or our friend to the north,

492
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: talked about this. They would, in a proper situation, with

493
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Speaker 2: that ipoke, the last of which went down, they would

494
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: call a timeout, presumably a fighter could not continue under

495
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: those circumstances, and then the fight would go to the

496
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Speaker 2: scorecards because the third round had started. That would have

497
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: been the proper protocol. But he called it initially a

498
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Speaker 2: TKO and then it was ruled of course later basically

499
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: a different kind of decision in the end, because it

500
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Speaker 2: went to the third round. So one problem is you

501
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: just didn't get the kind of protocol that would have

502
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: been best suited for the situation. That's one, But I

503
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: would actually argue the bigger problem here. While Chris Weidman

504
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: did look good, I don't think you can say, at

505
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: least relative to how he has looked since his.

506
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: I expected the absolute worst team impressed me. I'm gonna

507
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Speaker 1: give him that.

508
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: Impressed is a strong word, but he looked a.

509
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: Lot comparatible to our expectations, comparatable to.

510
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Speaker 2: What I thought he'd be like on crutches walking out

511
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: to the arena. I mean, he looks better than that.

512
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: I still would like him to retire. Separate conversation, but

513
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: this is the issue to Mebce, why would you not

514
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: foul your opponent as much as you possibly could in

515
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: professional mma?

516
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: Because you're saying it's going to lead to a situation

517
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: where if you're up on the scorecards and the person

518
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Speaker 1: can't continue.

519
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying the reluctance of referees to ever take a

520
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: point early in a fight. Sure, that's one problem, and

521
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: then the second problem is the way the rules are adjudicated.

522
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: Is Bruno can't see anymore, or at least as a

523
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: bare minimum, crumbles undern the pressure of having both eyes raked,

524
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: the three of them.

525
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: If you didn't see it, it's two eye rakes on

526
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: the same punching sequence. Yes, rake, rake, and then rabbit punching.

527
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. My point I'm trying to make is the

528
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: referees deciding to never take a point facilitate situations like this,

529
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a hard warning that doesn't fucking

530
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: mean anything. It doesn't mean anything to give someone a

531
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: hard warning on the second third attempt. You have already

532
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: and I've said this before on the show, and I'm

533
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: gonna say again the referees like, I don't want to

534
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: intervene when you don't take a point after multiple eye pokes,

535
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: you have already intervened. You have already intervened on behalf

536
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: of letting a guy just break the rules inadvertently or otherwise, Yes, repeatedly,

537
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: whether it's intentional or not, it is happening. And this

538
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: is the other point I want to get to calling this, Well,

539
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: what's an unintentional foul? Dude? I do not care if

540
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: it is. I'm not saying there's not a place to

541
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Speaker 2: understand the difference between someone going there and one h

542
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: versus kind of extending the hand.

543
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Speaker 1: The referee made like five separate men after the first

544
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: ipoke in the second round of why he kept trying

545
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: to stop Who's refereece name of the jack.

546
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Speaker 2: Dad, Chris, I'm not christ only I'll look it up

547
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: here in just a second.

548
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: He basically kept telling because Wyden's leading with the open

549
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: hand and just kind of swatting at the jabs which

550
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: leads to the eyes.

551
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Speaker 2: What is his name, Gary Copland?

552
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: Gary Copeland knows his way around the gym, dude. Yeah,

553
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: he does not skip by day.

554
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: No, he definitely likes creating.

555
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: No, I want to ask you, but I want I

556
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: want to mention that because he warned him like three

557
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: or four times after the announced team before the final double,

558
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: Polk kept mentioning, why I've been leading with that open hand? Dude?

559
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: How many chances do you get?

560
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: This is what I mean, and the lack of enforcement

561
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: around it creates a new normal. And the new normal

562
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: is you have at least two, potentially three fouls of

563
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Speaker 2: the same kind you can get away with before a

564
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: point is ever taken in any point, not just with

565
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Speaker 2: Gary Copeland, but with multiple referees out there. It has

566
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Speaker 2: to stop. You get a point.

567
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Speaker 1: But BC, I'll let you back. I just want to say,

568
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Speaker 1: did you see in comparison that Roly Romero three fouls

569
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: in one round against Pipple Cruise and finally got a

570
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: point taken away from Tomas Taylor Even though none of

571
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: the follows were related. It's just sort of like you're

572
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: following the shit out of this guy.

573
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Speaker 2: You don't. The line is always, well, it's intentional versus

574
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: not intentional? Can he continue? Can he not continue? And

575
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to point to you is you can

576
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: have a completely unintentional foul that is still a product

577
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: of neglectful action. Yeah. And if you've been warned by

578
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: the ref to not everyone knows your fingers have to

579
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: face the ceiling, not to the opponent. If you're continuing

580
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: to do this despite multiple referee warnings, it should not

581
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: go to the cards. When the guy can't continue, it

582
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: should be a no contest or at I think a

583
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: better situation, dude, a disqualification to me is on the

584
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: table with that many I pokes.

585
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Speaker 1: DQ, I guess is possible the way you laid that out,

586
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Speaker 1: I didn't even thought about that at the very least,

587
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: that's a no contest, how do you? Because look, they

588
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: felt they had the right there in the New Jersey

589
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Commission to watch the replay and then change the results

590
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Speaker 1: as a result of that. So that's legal. The only

591
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Speaker 1: thing that's not legal is restarting a finished fight, which

592
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: I think is also a bad rule because there are

593
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: situations where there's this finish with a foul where I

594
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: feel like, if you look at the replay and see, oh,

595
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: that was definitely a foul, why can't we institute five

596
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: minutes to potentially restart it.

597
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: Why?

598
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Silva's going to win this fight,

599
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: he's down two to ozh. All three judges did score

600
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: the third for Widemen because they were forced to with

601
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: the technical stoppage. But the whole point is like, why

602
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: are you taking away that man who's been followed like crazy,

603
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: any form of complaint or miracle punch to come back?

604
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: If they took the time to watch the video, which

605
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: they did, they utilized the technology of instant replay, and

606
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: their result from watching that is, oh, wait, he didn't

607
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: really stop him because there was a shit ton of

608
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: fouls on the same sequence. But you know what, sorry, Bruno,

609
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: we're going to go to the cards. It's not one foul,

610
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: it's a sequence of fouls. It was three fouls on

611
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: the same finishing sequence. Short of telling the referee he

612
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: should have given a point earlier. How does there not

613
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: educated enough people in that moment based on the rule

614
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: set to say the only thing that shouldn't happen here

615
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: is a Wideman victory. Outside of that, we can debate

616
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: it for weeks, we can have commission meetings of DQ

617
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: versus no contest. But their final thing was, yeah, whatever,

618
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: We'll just go to the card and see what happens.

619
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: Come on. That's how are we not advocating for the

620
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: fighters better in this situation? And to your point, how

621
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: is it not going to set up new ways to

622
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: wiggle with the rules when you're potentially losing or what

623
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: have you in a fight to try to gain yourself

624
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: breaks and then eventually maybe an ending of the fight.

625
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it obviously plays better if

626
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: you're in the lead, if you're gonna if you're gonna

627
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: do that and try to force an early stoppage. And

628
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: I'm not saying widen is trying to do that. Widman

629
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: was being just just a little reckless, right right, just

630
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: being a little reckless, and it wasn't enforced at all.

631
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: To your point, and I do think they overplayed Widman himself.

632
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Silva's ipoke. Silva's ipoke came at the same time as

633
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: Widman's early in round three, but Widman's was like much

634
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: more reckless and deliberate with us. Silva's was a punch

635
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: that kind of bounced off the cheek and the edge

636
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: of the the outside finger did touch the eye. It

637
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: was I'm not gonna you're not gonna lie there. But

638
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: the fact that nobody in the post fight press conference

639
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: even question Widman about the idea that like, did you

640
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: really earned that victor whatever? It was all matter of fact, Chris,

641
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: great to have you back. What did this win mean

642
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: compared to winning the championship? Blaw And I don't want

643
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: to over overlook the human story of that, right, Whieman's stubborn,

644
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: his heck, but he keeps coming back no matter what,

645
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: and he keeps getting in there. But how the media

646
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: not even asking him about it afterwards on the broadcast,

647
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: not even saying like, I don't like that rule. You know,

648
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: why is the rule that way? Everyone's just like, yeah,

649
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: matter of fact, great win, Widman's back. Sorry, Bruno, We'll

650
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: see in the PFL next year, you know, come on.

651
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the media at this point, I mean,

652
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: they're wondering why their jobs are going away. It's pretty

653
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: pretty obvious answer. It's because you're not doing them. But

654
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: it's not just the ipokes. You know, this is a

655
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: smaller issue and folks might say, oh, it's not that

656
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: big a deal, but it can be. Where I see

657
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: in including Chris Widman in this fight, getting your fingers

658
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: inside the webbing of the fence. You can push the fence,

659
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: but you can't bring your fingers inside. Same thing with

660
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: the feet. You can with your foot press the fence,

661
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: your webbing of your feet or your your toes cannot

662
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: go inside the fence to gether grab or pool. He

663
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: did that in this fight too. Now he's hardly alone.

664
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: Many many fighters do that, but it goes unenforced. The

665
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: biggest issue to me are the as I said before,

666
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: the referees simply being they want to be like, I'm

667
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: an innocent bystander in all of this, and I'm like, no,

668
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: you're the traffic cop and you need to play that.

669
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly what you are here, and if you don't

670
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: do that, we're gonna get gridlock number one. The second

671
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 2: part BC is it doesn't make any sense to have

672
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: a fighter like Bruno Silva, who is clearly the victim

673
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: in this particular situation, bearing the brunt of the outcome

674
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: loss by himself that seems to me completely insane.

675
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: The very least give him a second chance. It's easy,

676
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: it's a very least no contest rematch, and.

677
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: He is apparently going to appeal, which he should. Again,

678
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: these appeals don't go very far because the limits of

679
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: the appeals and mixed martial arts are basically a function

680
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: of were the rules followed by the officiating squad and

681
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: to the extent that they were. Even if the rules

682
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: are dumb, you don't have a case, but the rules

683
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: are dumb. Yeah, that's the issue.

684
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Something you said spun a question in my head. We

685
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: all know there's certain rules in MMA that that feel outdated.

686
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: That the would you say that the twelve.

687
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: Sixths which might be going away, but it.

688
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Just kind of feels outdated at different times. Yes, explain

689
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: to me, because I think some people might hear that

690
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: and say, the whole grabbing of the fence with either

691
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the hand or the feet in your eyes, how significant

692
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: would MMA change if that was legal.

693
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: Massively? If you could grab the fence without penalty, it

694
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: would reduce the amount of takedowns you get all on

695
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: the fence. I won't say to zero, that's not true,

696
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: but it would substantially reduce the Okay.

697
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it you would also not be able to

698
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: be able to defend yourself as well. I understand the

699
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: idea of keeping yourself up by grabbing on the fence.

700
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: I get that.

701
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously there's gonna be some trade offs,

702
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, but in general, the ability to grab the fence,

703
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: either with your toes to to fully assume position or

704
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: with your hands to avoid being taken down, it's such

705
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: an I mean, dude, think about it. Jill sawn In

706
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: one time made a point to me. He's like, if

707
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: you look at what's legal in MMA, it's what's illegal

708
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: in all the composite sports. So for example, you can't

709
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: backfist in boxing, you could do it in MMA. In wrestling,

710
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: and in American high school wrestling, there's a certain part

711
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: where you're not allowed to lock your hands from what's

712
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: called referees position because it's so dominant it just stalls

713
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: the action. But in MMA you can do it whenever

714
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: you want. Dude, so much is legal in MMA. When

715
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: something is illegal, we should think a long and hard

716
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: about why that is. That is such an adaptation that

717
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: allows you a dynamic, dynamic advantage that they don't allow it,

718
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: and people are getting away with it because the referees

719
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: just look at it and say, well, what difference does

720
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: it make? It makes all the difference, and you guys

721
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: won't do your jobs, and that's why we end up

722
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: in the situations like this, and that this does crime

723
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: me a river act that they do.

724
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Whoy who are they?

725
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: The officiating crews? And I don't know if Gary Coplan

726
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: has complained in particular, but certainly every time I try

727
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: to talk to anyone who is inside the officiating community,

728
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: they all say, well, the media is gonna kill us

729
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: no matter what. Don't I don't really believe that. I

730
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: just think you guys are not really interested in a

731
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: dialogue with the public. And that's a very very different

732
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: kind of value proposition. I understand that too. You have

733
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: to be able to defend this. Someone from an officiating crew.

734
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: Give me a defense of why I routinely see fighters

735
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: commit ipokes without the slightest degree of referee officiating taking

736
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: place as a consequence. Tell me why we don't want

737
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: to affect the action. I mean, dear buddy, you already did.

738
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: To your point, if it's accidental or not, if you

739
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: took away a point or even a half point. If

740
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: they could figure out how to do that effectively, that

741
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: would stop, That would change, That would force people to

742
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: change the way they fight. If your natural instinct is

743
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: to swat at punches and then when someone moves their

744
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: head and sorry, then you take away a point in

745
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: round one when that happens. You're not doing that again.

746
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you're doing Do you remember when

747
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: Anatolely Malakin I think his last fighter, whoever it was,

748
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: who recently, no excuse me, it was a mere Ali

749
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Ekbari in one and he fought Argent Buller. Argent Buller

750
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: got two yellow cards, which is system that they used

751
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: in Pride, and now one which also includes a financial penalty.

752
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different forestalling. And then all through

753
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: the referee said, you know what it was, herb Dean

754
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: flash the red. We're done here. That's what I want

755
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: to see. I want to see a referee. People like

756
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: I don't want the referees intervening. I want a referee

757
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: much more like a collegiate wrestling match. I want them

758
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: on the whistle, get involved, force the action, change the

759
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 2: incentive structure, and get a better sport.

760
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I think that guy Gary the ref. I think he

761
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: wears brute Clawn. What would you guess?

762
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: Like, probably too much. It was a guy on my

763
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: train today who wore too much Colonne in the Quair car.

764
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, so this is the quiet car and your smell.

765
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Is quite your smell out to close out of the

766
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: UFC Atlantic City nake the train in the UFC. Come on, man,

767
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: you gotta love that, okay from the what was the

768
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: exact quote in the postfight speech.

769
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: It was something like, if you beat my ass, like

770
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: watch out something along those lines.

771
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you beat my ass.

772
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: That's what happens. Yeah, beat my ass. See what happens.

773
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: It's like I think we did.

774
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: He almost got knocked out and then he pulled his

775
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: own daring the damage Elkins and came back. Maybe he's

776
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: pulled on his own nighth the train. That's sort of

777
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: who he is. I love that pocket. When these guys

778
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: become that TV fighter who's probably going to be the

779
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: underdog in most cases, but every other fight they'll rally

780
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: back after taking your sense of damage and figure out

781
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: how to finish you. It was it was it felt

782
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: like that was a win for.

783
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: The people it was. People loved it.

784
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: People of Tennessee, that's all loved it.

785
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: All right. All right, see, let's go to question number

786
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: two here if we can, let me present it to you.

787
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: So over the weekend, it was not just UFC. We'll

788
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: come back to some more of those topics here in

789
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: just a moment. But there was a big boxing fight.

790
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: In fact, BC and I were in Las Vegas, Nevada

791
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: for it. Tim Zuo taking on Sebastian Fundora was supposed

792
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: to be Key Thurman, Fundora filling in on short notice,

793
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 2: and yet BC he becomes a double champ, so to speak,

794
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: unified champion. He wins a split decision. I know you

795
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: initially had scored for Zoo thirteen. I had it. I

796
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: think one fifteen one thirteen four fron doorra very close contest.

797
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: But BC, my question to you is this, how much

798
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: did the cut on Zoo's scalp affect the outcome?

799
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: A lot? I'm not going to say one hundred percent,

800
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: but Luke, I'm going to say ninety five percent. If

801
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: you weren't watching this fight on Saturday, and it's very

802
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: rewatchable because it was a horror movie, did you ever

803
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: see the opening scene of carry.

804
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen it not recently.

805
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, the original Kerry for the seventies. It looked a

806
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: lot that. Let's get to the point though. The first

807
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: two rounds, Timsuo was absolutely piecing up Sebastian Fondora in

808
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: ways that echoed the idea that even if it's a

809
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: late replacement, you were originally preparing for the boxing style

810
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: of Keith Thurman, circling from the outside. Now you're fighting

811
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: a six foot six South Paul with a nine inch

812
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: reach advantage who's a brawler. Even with that adjustment, tim

813
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Zuo was piecing him up. In round two, Timzuo hit

814
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: something like ten consecutive right hands. Once she figured out

815
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: that distance, Fondora came out boxing, which was obviously the

816
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: antithesis of his normal style. We had asked him ourselves

817
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: this week on Media Row Radio Row, will you make

818
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: changes after that knockout loss to Brian Mendoza, Will you

819
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: chore up your defense? I never expected that he would

820
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: come out and actually try to use the nine inch

821
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: reach advantage in box. It's ultimately what want it for him,

822
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: along with his own toughness. But in round two it

823
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: looked like Fundora was about two rounds away from getting

824
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: knocked out. And I say two rounds because I know

825
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: of his chin, I know of his recoupa of ability.

826
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: But his nose was gushing blood.

827
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: It was I just very quickly. He had the purple

828
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: kind of blood at the center of his face there.

829
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: And it gushed obviously for the entirety of the rest

830
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: of the fight. And he showed tremendous heart. And by

831
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: the way, he's such a good person, so is his promoter,

832
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Sampson Lukewitz. So it's like a feel good story on

833
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: that regard. The person who it's not a feel good

834
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: story for is Tim Zoo because this is so heartbreaking.

835
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: He's piecing Fundor up and then that Aaron elbow from

836
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Fundor at the end of round two opens up a

837
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: vicious hairline cut. I mean, I mean vicious. The rest

838
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of the fight, blood flowing like a river between his eyes,

839
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: and we were all texting, tweeting, talking whatever, and going, Okay,

840
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna be stopped in about two rounds, right,

841
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: And here's why it's such bad luck for Tim Zoo.

842
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: First of all, he showed his warrior spirit and nearly

843
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: gutted out of victory. I scored it seven to five

844
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: for him. I think seven to five either way is

845
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a great scorecard. It could have gone either way. It

846
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: was a very close fight because it was that natural

847
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: judging paradox the rest of the way of are you

848
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: going to favor Fundora just flicking that jab for three

849
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: full minutes every round and keeping him at bay? Or

850
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: was there four or five rounds where Zoo did get

851
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: inside land three or four five big right hands. Was

852
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: that enough to steal the round? That was the conundrum.

853
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: But the idea of what would how would this fight

854
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: have been different had there not been a cut, Tim

855
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: Zoo would have had what he thought he was walking

856
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: into his debut in Las Vegas, his American headlining pay

857
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: per view debut, his step through moment from being a

858
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: guy who is the son of a Hall of Famer

859
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and Coasta Zoo to saying now what's my mother fn

860
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: name which is becoming his tagline and saying no, I'm

861
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: my own person. This was going to be it Las

862
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: Vegas laid opponent or not knock him out, and whether

863
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: it's Spencer Crawford getting up those stairs and walking into

864
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: the ring, we were going to have something to build

865
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: to and now Tim Zoo takes a tough loss, but he, boy,

866
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: did he take it like a professional and like a man.

867
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: And I'll get to that in a second. There's now

868
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: no rematch clause, Sampson Lukewitz, the promoter of Fundora, saying

869
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: it was a verbal rematch clause, which is I don't

870
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: know what that is. It means there's no one right

871
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: because Sebastian, I'm sorry. Samson even said, look, there's a

872
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: verbal one, but I owe it to my fighter to

873
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: seek out the biggest fight possible. So that's gonna mean

874
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: Crawford or Spence will get to that. But yeah, look,

875
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: if Zoo doesn't get cut there, it's a completely different fight.

876
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: And people are saying, well, welly wouldn't him or his

877
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: team at some point tell the referee, look, we can't

878
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: do this anymore because what was the change in round three?

879
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: Zu couldn't see anymore. Fundor starts lighting him up with jabs,

880
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: occasional left hands a couple of times willobble them at

881
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: certain points. If Zoo would have pulled out of that

882
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: fight before round four because it was an accidental file,

883
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: it's a no contest and they probably do it again.

884
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: That's a horrible turnout for PBC for Amazon Prime. This

885
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: was the first PBC pay per view since leaving Showtime

886
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: going to Prime Video. It would have been a horrible

887
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: way to play out. I'm glad Zoo didn't do that.

888
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad he showed his warrior spirit. But even if

889
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: he gets to a point in rounds five, six, seven,

890
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: maybe even eight, I'd have to look at the scorecards

891
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: and add the math. But he was up at the

892
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: middle of this fight. He would have said, ah, you know,

893
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: I just I'm trying, but I just can't see. They

894
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: would have went to the scorecards and he probably would

895
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: have won a technical decision. But instead he fights like

896
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: an absolute warrior, lives up to the family name, nearly

897
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: pulls it out in the worst case scenario, and now

898
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: not only is he probably not going to get a rematch,

899
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: although we can talk about where this is going, he's

900
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, not out of the title picture.

901
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: He said the right things afterwards. He's going to come

902
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: back and fight a big name, no question. But this

903
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: was absolute worst case scenario from one errant foul. When

904
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Door did not do it on purpose, they both had

905
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: to walk through hell to make Luke it is. It

906
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: is really a credit to both men that fight went

907
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: the distance.

908
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable. It was. I mean, if you saw

909
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: the cut when it first happened, and you saw the

910
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: blood gushing from it, you would never have thought that

911
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: that one was going to go the full distance. You

912
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: just thought there would be no way possible be see.

913
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: There was a video. I don't know if you saw it.

914
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Stitch Duran made a video talking about that cut. Stitch Aran,

915
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: of course, guy who was never the friend of Dana White,

916
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: but a legendary cut man in both you May and by,

917
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: and he made a point and he said, I don't

918
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: know how you feel about it, because Stitch seems to

919
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: me like a wealth of wisdom, but take it for

920
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: what it's worth. He made an argument that Zoo's corner

921
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: should have stopped the fight. And the reason why he

922
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: says that is not that Zoo wasn't mentally in it.

923
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: He was. And to your point, even with all the

924
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: blood in his face, it was a split decision. You

925
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: had Zoo winning barely in the end, still a doable affair.

926
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: But what he said was when you get the cuts

927
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: that are over here, and it wasn't just hairline. It's

928
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: actually a little bit further back into the air. I

929
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: won't say the middle of the head, but sort of

930
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: middle front. What he said was those cuts are hard

931
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: to stop. They bleed right through and you can see

932
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: when he gets up from the stool there's like a

933
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: chunk of petroleum jelly. It didn't matter, it would stop.

934
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: It from Fundor and Zoo would get up off the

935
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: stool every round and as they're walking to the son

936
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: of the ring, whatever they had, cuts would just open

937
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: up over.

938
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: The point he wanted to make was in addition to

939
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: that being hard to stop, it obviously getting in your face.

940
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: It can leak a certain volume of that can actually

941
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: be really detrimental to your health if you have a

942
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: big cut on your cheek or something that will bleed

943
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: and it's obviously quite unsightly, but you're not really gonna

944
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: lose a lot.

945
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't dripping, it was a flow.

946
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: So Sister Rand's argument was between the amount of blood

947
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: loss and then the difficulty in stopping it. So now

948
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: it's getting in your eyes and you could see zu

949
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: kind of like almost like you're swatting flies the whole

950
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: time trying to rub his face. It was an unwinnable

951
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: affair at a risk that was too high. I have

952
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: to tell you it's not often that I listened to

953
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: a cut man when they say this one should be stopped.

954
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: But when Stid says it this time, it's pretty convinced.

955
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you saw on the post

956
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: by press conference, it was an interesting development where a

957
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: reporter asked, Hey, they mentioned on the broadcast, Tim that

958
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: maybe your corner didn't have the proper tools or substances

959
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: needed that something yeah or whatever, the specific substance they

960
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: put in the cut that could slow down the flow

961
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: of blood, and Zoo stopped and he paused and he said,

962
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: no comment. Oo, So it's obvious that. Look, look, I'm

963
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: not saying people conspired to fail to him. Timzu made

964
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: his own decisions in the ring. Tim Zuo accepted the

965
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: fight last minute. But for a guy who accepts the

966
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: fight on like ten days notice, right, with a completely

967
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: different style, fights with so much heart and will, like

968
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: in a ridiculous amount is pouring unnecessary amounts of blood

969
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: almost wins it. And yet we just laid out the

970
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: case if it was stopped at any point, it could

971
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: have been a no contest or a zoo win and

972
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: now he's maybe probably not getting the rematch because of it.

973
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: So it's it's those are the breaks.

974
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: Kid, WBO ordered today. That's all reporting before we recorded

975
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: the show that Terrence Crawford has to fight Sebastian Fundora

976
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: for the w.

977
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: I'll lay this out, so here's the deal. I want

978
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: to get your take first before we lay out those

979
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: scenarios of what the PBC did, because we you and

980
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: I were arguing all week and saying, look, there was

981
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: a certain amount of buzz surrounding this first pay per

982
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: view PBC card, but maybe not an overwhelming amount, not

983
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: what you expected for the first card of the Amazon era,

984
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: like tank on the top of.

985
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: It was very little.

986
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: It was not a lot of buzzs, but we felt

987
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: it was well matched. There was a lot of interesting

988
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: fights Kmell Moten Floyd's you know three to Ozero prospect

989
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: I bumped up to the televised portion. There was a

990
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: lot to like there, there were knockouts, it was fast paced.

991
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: I love the broadcast, but we were saying all week, look,

992
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you want to get some juice, get Terrence Crawford or

993
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Eryl Spence in here, let him sit with the media,

994
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: let's talk it and Rett directfully. So Spence tweeted out

995
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: the big fish picture of the shark and said, I

996
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: want the winner. I'm coming down right now. Just so

997
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, Spence is an OGPBC guy. Is one of

998
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: their biggest, biggest stars and brands. I mean, obviously there's

999
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: questions about where he's going to be at moving forward

1000
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: post Terrence Crawford beat down. Are you okay with him

1001
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: being allowed to come in when in reality, Crawford is

1002
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the number one contender at WBO because he's the WBO

1003
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: welterweight champion and they have that clause where the champion

1004
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: and one division. If they decide to move up, they're

1005
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: automatically the number one contender in the next division. Sir

1006
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: hey Bochuk, who scored a very solid and thorough win

1007
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: over Brian men Doz on the undercard, he's now the

1008
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: interim so he's like next next in line. But PBC

1009
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: wanted to put Spence out there. Now. I don't hate

1010
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: it because Spence versus Zoo or what we thought that

1011
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: original matchup would be in now, Spence versus Fundor to

1012
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: me is interesting. To me is like suspassion. Frondor is

1013
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: an unlikely champion if that cut didn't happen. I don't

1014
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: think he becomes champion here. It's you know, it's just

1015
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: what it is. Him against Spence might actually be from

1016
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: a marketing promoting PBC angle the best way to revive Spence.

1017
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be an easy fight, but it's a

1018
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: certainly a winnable fight because Spence has the better skill

1019
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: of the two, and it's big and durable and tough,

1020
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: and we'll be moving up in weight where he doesn't

1021
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: have to cut down anymore. If they go that route,

1022
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: you can backdoor way to make Spence versus Crawford too.

1023
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: Matter what if Spence wins the unified title from Frondor

1024
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: and he's back suddenly you bring in Crawford. Crawford is

1025
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: currently not signed with the PBC. He's a free agent,

1026
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: and Crawford's not always easy to deal with. Did you

1027
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: like that move by PBC or are you on what

1028
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the internet are saying of, Like,

1029
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: we love Spence, but you can't go from a beat

1030
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: down in one division on the biggest fight you can

1031
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: make in years to then getting the unified champion in

1032
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: your next fight. How do you sort that out in

1033
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: your mind? Part of me is like, well, I'm part

1034
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: of boxing and I want big events. So if it

1035
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Spends or Crawford, I'm in. I don't really care. But

1036
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: do you think there's some sort of like, I don't know,

1037
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: are other people owed more than Spence in this spot?

1038
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: I think if you're the okay, So if you're a

1039
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: boxing purist, then you're going to want to follow procedure

1040
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: fair enough. I don't really have any argument against following procedure.

1041
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm usually the guy that wants to follow

1042
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: procedure even when there is some kind of an economic

1043
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: cost associated. And by the way, I don't think that

1044
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: Fundora versus but is some kind of box office disaster.

1045
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think that would do all that well

1046
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: in pay per view either. Hey, why don't you just

1047
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: go Juggles?

1048
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: I do have a cough button now, so watch just.

1049
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: Watch a very good b c. Let me just say this,

1050
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: I mean, listen the first pay per view. We'll talk

1051
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: about our impressions here in just a moment. As we

1052
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: move the conversation along. It's not going to sell well

1053
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: that event. If that's sold fifty thousand pay per view buys.

1054
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised they probably did not make money on that.

1055
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: I think if you go one hundred, I don't.

1056
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: Think there's even a shot in hell it did one hundred.

1057
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: I think I think it did a fraction of that.

1058
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: And I heard some internal estimates, by the way, which

1059
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: will be a fraction of that. Oh you texted out,

1060
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: I didn't text that. I didn't text that. Yeah, he

1061
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: texted me. Sometimes I just ignore it. I believe it

1062
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: on Red BC. My point is this, if they want

1063
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: to follow procedure, fine, I'm really not going to sit

1064
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: here in belly ache. But I don't think anybody can

1065
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: be surprised if the PBC decides that they want to

1066
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: get one of their bigger names granted off of a

1067
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: terrible loss, but one of their bigger names against one

1068
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: of their other names. Obviously, Froendor's a PBC guy as

1069
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: well for two belts up aweight class, and about that

1070
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: they feel like is setting up more for their business,

1071
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: both reality now and a potential at least short term

1072
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: future with what Spence has left. If you're the PBC,

1073
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: you need to make some difficult calls about what fights

1074
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: you want to make for your own financial protection. They

1075
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: didn't make money on Saturday. They need to make money.

1076
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: They will with Canelo, they will with obviously they do that.

1077
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: Jervonte and Dave been Avida' doubleheader, Oh my god, forget

1078
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: about it. That's going to sell it to the moon.

1079
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: But this one they took a bath on. I have

1080
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: a feeling they don't want to take any or baths

1081
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: that they don't have to.

1082
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: Okay, see I we talked about this last week. I

1083
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: want to give Spence a chance to reinvent, reinvent himself

1084
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: at fifty four before I'm going to join this chorus

1085
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: of oh he's washed, he's done. We don't know that

1086
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: it was a beat down. We don't know that. I

1087
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: think zu versus Fundor or zu versus Spence. I'm sorry, sorry,

1088
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: Fundora versus Spence. It's a very interesting fight. So I'm

1089
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: in if they go there. There is the idea though,

1090
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: that if they go there, Fundora is gonna have to

1091
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: give up the WBO because Terrence Carford is a mandatory.

1092
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: So that would create according to some journalists like Jake

1093
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Donovan online, it would create Terrence Crawford versus Josh Kelly

1094
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: of England for the for the vacant WBO title. Okay,

1095
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: so all right, but but look, let's say Crawford takes

1096
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: that and wins that belt, and let's say Spence fights

1097
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Fundora and wins that belt. If it's only one belt

1098
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: he's fighting for, then you have a one to fifty

1099
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: four unification for Spence Carford too.

1100
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: Right, you really want to see another one of those.

1101
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have to see it, but I

1102
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: do think it'll be different at fifty four, especially if

1103
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: Spence comes back in Yeah, that he's not gone.

1104
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy.

1105
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: How what high of an argument should there be for

1106
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: a Zoo immediate rematch because he gave this guy a

1107
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: chance last minute.

1108
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: If this was MMA, it'd be very high. And the

1109
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: reason why is because one, it would be a split decision,

1110
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: very close. It'd be one promoter involved in the whole

1111
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: every one promoter and the guy did the promotion a

1112
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: solid I mean, Keith Thurman fell out. Zoo could have

1113
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: been like, we're done and then the PBC loses their

1114
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: very first promotional date after the end of showtime and

1115
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: everything on the end of Fox and all that kind

1116
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: of stuff. This was their first date. Zoo could have

1117
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: been like, sorry, that's your problem, not mine, and he didn't.

1118
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: So for that reason again, if they give him another rematch,

1119
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: however it all ends up, I'd be perfectly okay with it.

1120
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: I just feel like what the PBC is going to

1121
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: do and say, hey, Tim, not a great win or excuse.

1122
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: He had a good performance but it didn't go the

1123
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: way he wanted it to, but not really all that

1124
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: damaging for his stock because of the way in which

1125
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: had happened. But if we can get we can get

1126
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: you another big fight, and we can get another big

1127
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: fight for Aerol Spence. I think that's the way they're

1128
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: gonna want to go. Let me move the conversation forward

1129
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: if I can do so.

1130
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I do have one more question for you. Do you

1131
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: think Fondora, if he decides to box from the outside

1132
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: with his nine inch reach at one fifty four, could

1133
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: completely reinvent himself as a fighter.

1134
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: No. I do think his thing. His point to us

1135
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: when we spoke to him in media day was I

1136
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: looked at the Brian Mendoza loss and what really cost

1137
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: me about his weight being forward and his hands being down,

1138
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: and it looked to me like he really tried to

1139
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: tighten that up, and I respect that. I do think

1140
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: he's a very talented fighter. Again, circumstances being what they are,

1141
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: he still fought quite well too, very well, So you

1142
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: have to give him credit as well. And it wasn't

1143
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: just a cut. It was a cut plus the fact

1144
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: that Fundora got better fair enough. But I think if

1145
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: Spence is still a version of him that we understand

1146
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: him to be. His body work we just know as

1147
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: being dynamite, and then he just begins to, you know,

1148
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: really build and build and build and build. I just

1149
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, that's still always gonna be a

1150
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: tough matchup for Fundor. But BC, the fun fight on

1151
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: the card. There as many fun fights on the card,

1152
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: but maybe the best one your favorite Roly Romero, who

1153
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: is who is something of a com prince of boxes. Yes,

1154
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: took takes on Esach Pitbull Cruise. BC. You were there

1155
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: in attendance that night. I had gone to a home

1156
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: all before. Was this a star making performance for CRUs

1157
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: And here's why I ask, I've covered many of us fights.

1158
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: He thought Dravonte Davis. People respected him, they liked him.

1159
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: He was always visible, but he was never that guy

1160
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: on the night, and it felt like on Saturday Beaten

1161
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: all breaks off Roly Romero, he might have just become

1162
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: that guy. Plus he became a champion.

1163
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: It was and he moved up in wait to do

1164
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: that at one forty now and he called out every

1165
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: possible champion afterwards, from Haini to Shakur at one thirty

1166
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: five to Dravante. It felt like a star was born.

1167
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: There are pops from crowds that you feel and hear

1168
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: at times, and they can change things. Do you remember

1169
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: when we went to Benavide's plant a year ago in

1170
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: March pay per view in Las Vegas and we were

1171
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: in that moment going holy crap from the way in

1172
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: into the fight night, it was like, oh, Mexico has

1173
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: decided that Benavidez is their next one.

1174
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: You know, they have anointed him.

1175
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: They love Canelo, but they are already grooming their next

1176
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: favorite fighter. I underestimated the love for Pitbull and the

1177
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: fact that like, look Luke like he's a talker, Like

1178
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: when him and Roller are going after it, when we

1179
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: see him up with questions through the interpreter of like,

1180
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, he can be a badass trash talker. But

1181
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: he's kind of like that workman, like solid, absolute badass.

1182
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: Pit Bull mask fashions his style to some degree after

1183
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: early Mike Tyson, a lot of Bob and Weaven. But

1184
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: he proved that he could box as well. I mean

1185
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: he proved that against Gravante go in the distance and

1186
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: losing a very close decision last minute. This was a dismantling,

1187
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: but it showcased in every category, from boxing to chasing

1188
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: Romero down to his power at one forty meaning Cruise

1189
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: that it was a breakout performance, but that crowd exploded

1190
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: in T Mobile like it was Canelo winning in the

1191
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: main event, like it was insert name. It was really

1192
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: good to see because what is what could you say

1193
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: negative about Pitbull Cruise? You really can't.

1194
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean you could say he's not dynamic on the

1195
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: microphone in either language, which it's true, and then you

1196
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: could say his style is a little bit limited. But

1197
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: obviously walking down Romero with his voice.

1198
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: He likes to get down too. So so Mexican fans

1199
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that.

1200
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm only arguing are their criticisms.

1201
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: Of course, it was a breakout performance. I'm happy to

1202
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: see it. Any champion, right if he wants to fight

1203
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: a Devin Haney or Ryan Garcier or the loser of

1204
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: that fight or the winner of that fight or whatever.

1205
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Mattias Siberia Mattias at one forty. This only adds to

1206
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: this incredible division one hundred and forty pounds where all

1207
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: the young stars are either in or navigating around. It's

1208
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: just another major player and he has a belt. But

1209
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: Luke Rowli's my guy, and Rolli did a lot of

1210
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: Roly things this week. I mean we sat down with

1211
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: him on Friday with a mortal technique and he wouldn't

1212
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: stopped talking about how Pip Bull Cruz had voice to

1213
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: him some weird things during their face off about maybe

1214
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: as unmentionables. Rolli took a heart l but we did

1215
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: tea up during fight week. I think I mentioned it

1216
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: when we're interviewing Pitple Cruise that like there's times when

1217
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: boxers are just hated by the internet and they're the villains,

1218
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: and you know, Adrian Broner was that and then Ma

1219
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Donna took him out. This felt like a Madonna Broner

1220
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: moment in a lot of ways, with the way that

1221
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Pitpole Cruse went in there. Shut Roly Romero up is

1222
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Roly Romero done. Donzo does this, He's fully exposed that

1223
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: he's not ready for prime time?

1224
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1225
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: Or can he still be the colorful, trash talking slugger

1226
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: that in many type of matchups he's a problem. He's

1227
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: a kryptonite for people.

1228
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: He can get big fights. I don't think he is

1229
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: done improving. He showed some skill here defensively when he

1230
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: had to. He does have big power that will always

1231
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: keep him relevant. People will want to see him for

1232
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: those reasons. But he was not really ready to be

1233
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: a champion at one hundred and forty pounds, especially with

1234
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: the way one hundred and forty pounds is now. To me,

1235
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: this is a market correction. This is a market correction.

1236
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: It's not so much that there's no place for Roly.

1237
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm arguing. What I am arguing is

1238
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: it makes much more sense in a world where a

1239
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: super Real Matias is at the top, where a Isak

1240
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: Cruz is at the top, where you know, you name it.

1241
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: Those guys, those are the ones that deserve to be

1242
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: kind of really held in high esteem. I think Roly

1243
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 2: has a little bit more approving to do. He got

1244
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: gifted a win over barosso.

1245
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: He Jackson Maurinias when he won the interim post.

1246
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: Should not of course in the bubble and here we

1247
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: are now. There was no where to hide against pit

1248
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: Bull and he there was a difference in skilling and.

1249
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people dunked on him afterwards. One of

1250
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: them was, inadvertently Jordan Plant the PBC Amazon Prime Did

1251
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: you lose? She was put in a rough spot. I'm

1252
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: not here to jump on her negatively, but like they

1253
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: shouldn't have interviewed him. I know he was concussed. She

1254
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: said on Twitter that Roly was pushing for the interview,

1255
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: but like, what did you think about when Roly comes

1256
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: on and she's like, you said you were going to

1257
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: knock him out? Whydn't you knock him out?

1258
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: And he's just like it didn't.

1259
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: I like to thank all my fans.

1260
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: And then he was like Eastern, No, No, and then

1261
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: he goes and like, Jesus, I'll be back. I'm like,

1262
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: I think it's more like the Terminator, Roly. I think

1263
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: it's more like terminat right, we gotta move us along.

1264
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: This is this is a comfortable pace and it feels really.

1265
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Really not an hour on two topics, Amazon PBC first one.

1266
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: We haven't seen what they're gonna do with Tank, we

1267
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: haven't seen what they're gonna do with Benevitez, we haven't

1268
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: seen anybody with Knell. On May fourth, first pay per view,

1269
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: give me a grade.

1270
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: I said, B plus. They over exceeded my expectations. If

1271
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: fills a little showtime light. There's a lot of showtime

1272
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: personalities on there that we've hadn't seen before. I'm gonna

1273
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: give it a B plus because the fights I feel

1274
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: like overachieved. There were you know, Arislandi Laara one punch knockout.

1275
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: There was like fight after fight of these breakthrough moments

1276
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: like damn and that's what you want. You want car

1277
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: wreck boxing sometimes, and we got that in the main

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00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: event of Bloody War. But the pacing was wonderful, wonderful.

1279
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody a PBC after that and they said, look,

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00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: our goal working with Amazon was we wanted no more

1281
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: than ten minutes between fights. So it was like they

1282
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't even do post fight interviews of the first two

1283
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: fights on the pay per view cards. This was a

1284
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: ten thirty PM Eastern main event start. Yes, thank you

1285
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: to the Amazon boxing gods. If this is the prime

1286
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: video era for PBC. Welcome to it. It felt great

1287
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: in that regard. Moro was back, Brian Custer, a lot

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00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: of familiar faces. Yeah, I'll give it a B plus.

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00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: I will. I think I think B plus is a

1290
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: pretty fair grade. To your point, there were accidents and whatever,

1291
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: but the main and comane certainly delivered. As you said,

1292
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: the pacing fantastic. A lot of other issues that could

1293
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: have been brought up. I'm not exactly sure why Marees

1294
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: is the commentator. I don't know if he's the best

1295
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: choice for that role, but certainly a distinguished career. Please

1296
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: almost understand me. I'm just saying I don't know if

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: he's the best guy for that role. Necessarily a couple

1298
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: of the things they could work on, but in general

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00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: I would say B plus.

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00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty I mean, you know, maybe id Rould Marcus.

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00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe.

1302
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: To close on that, Luke, we said that people were

1303
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: dunking on on Rolly, Oscar de la Hoya and Bernard

1304
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Hopkins were dunking on roy Long Island. Luke in the back,

1305
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: can we go to the videotape? Oscar would put out

1306
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: a second video when he returned home, saying, like you

1307
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: know you messed with a promoter. This what happens there?

1308
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: Referencing obviously that they wanted Ryan Garcia to fight Roly

1309
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: Romero for this fight, Roley told them to go pound

1310
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: sand basically because he's you know, he had a big,

1311
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: big fight coming up with the PBC. You don't justify

1312
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: those actions, do you?

1313
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: I think they're hilarious.

1314
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh, come on the best dude. All right, let's keep

1315
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: the show moving. We are gonna put this in third

1316
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: gear now with topic number three, here we go, Luke Thomas.

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: Big fight got announced last week and I am fired

1318
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: the heck up. The main event or the UFC on

1319
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: ABC in Saudi Arabia is going on down, Luke, and

1320
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: it's Robert Whitaker versus Hamzat Chimaya. I do you remember

1321
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: the date? I didn't write it down off.

1322
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: I will get it here in just a minute.

1323
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: This is a big deal UFC debut card here in

1324
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia.

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1326
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not just for the PFL, not just for boxing,

1327
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: not just for everyone else. It's going to be for

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00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: the UFC. So, Luke, is Robert Whittaker the ultimate what

1329
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: would you say? Fraud check moment for Chamaiev's current stock

1330
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: as we enter into this matchup, because I'm gonna agree

1331
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: that universally we love it. There's a freakin' there's one

1332
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: of the best fights you can make on paper, Bobby

1333
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: Knuckles against homs up perfect time that they're colliding. The

1334
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: ex champion, Robert Widiker just showed us what he still has.

1335
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: So does he still have enough to essentially be the

1336
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: ultimate kryptonite that can stop this chamayav ship from landing

1337
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: on the moon and pickup that we're titleock.

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00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: I think he is. I don't know if he will,

1339
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: but I think the test that he provides is exactly

1340
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: as you describe it. To clarify, when is this fight

1341
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: going to be Saturday, the twenty second of June in Riod,

1342
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia the Kingdom Arena for whatever that is worth

1343
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: BC to answer this question, there's no doubt in my

1344
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: mind that is what Robert Whittaker is assuming in this

1345
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: position he'll be thirty three years of age. Chamaiah by

1346
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: the time this fight takes place will be thirty, so

1347
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: that means CHAMAIAV will be smack dab in the middle

1348
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: of his physical prime by the time this fight happens,

1349
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: and Bobby Knuckles will not necessarily be out of it

1350
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: just from a age standpoint. Moreover, BC something to think

1351
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: about like what Robert Whittaker demonstrates here or what he

1352
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: presents as a challenge not just a former champion, but

1353
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: by the time Whittaker was the same age as Chamiav

1354
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: will be in this fight, he had already won the title,

1355
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: lost the title, and was on the rebound campaign fighting

1356
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: Kelvin Gastolin, who ultimately he defeated in that one, as

1357
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: well a Jared at Cannony or you know the whole story,

1358
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: all of those guys. Now, of course he ended up

1359
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: losing to DDP and then having this rebound against Paulo Costa.

1360
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to point out is here's a guy

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: in Winnaker who is not out of his physical prime,

1362
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: who by the time this guy was the same age,

1363
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: had already won and lost the title, and was already

1364
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: on the rebound campaign. That rebound campaign, short for one

1365
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: difficult moment, basically is still going well. And in particular,

1366
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: who did he fight in his last outing Paulo Costa,

1367
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: who was a better, more measured version of himself, but

1368
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: is still a guy with raw physical power who fights

1369
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: in a somewhat undisciplined kind of way. There is an

1370
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: argument that people make about Hamzat Chimaya that his output

1371
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: declines over time. It's actually not quite true. If you

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Speaker 2: look at his output, for example, BC in the Gilbert

1373
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: Burns fight, it actually goes up over the course of

1374
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: the three rounds. But this will be a five round fight,

1375
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: so we actually don't know what he's going to look

1376
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: like in rounds four and five. And if you look

1377
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: at his last fight against Kamaru, it was kind of

1378
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: up and down over the rounds. It wasn't a steady decline.

1379
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: What you do notice is one thing, he abandons his

1380
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: wrestling after the first or second round much more so,

1381
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: and then is much heavier, just being content to strike.

1382
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: That is an interesting thing you should take a note of,

1383
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: because it's a change in the offense, not so much

1384
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: in overall decline, although there's obviously a decline in the

1385
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: overall wrestling. But the point I wanted to make here,

1386
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: BC is that four and five round mark. Understand something

1387
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: about chimayav He fought three times in twenty twenty, two

1388
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: times in twenty twenty one, two times in twenty twenty two.

1389
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: One time in twenty twenty three, he enters a five

1390
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: round contest against one of the most credentialed middleweights of

1391
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: our era, living legend and BC. Here is a guy

1392
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: who has changed nationality. He left his country, his adopted

1393
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: country anyway, in Sweden. He's now in I believe the UAE.

1394
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of COVID.

1395
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: To be fair, he's had he had a terrible bout

1396
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: with COVID. He's been inconsistent. He can't get to the

1397
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: United States to remain active. There's actually a ton of

1398
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: unknown about Hamzad CHAMAI. And if there is anybody not

1399
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: a champion who is going to give us a test

1400
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: of that top two bottom, it is Robert Whitaker. Whatever

1401
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: you think you know about JAMAIAV, good or bad, you're

1402
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: going to get the truth of sure when this fight

1403
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: is done.

1404
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: I agree a couple things I don't know about JAMIAV.

1405
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that he actually beat Gilbert Burns. I

1406
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I keep mentioning that a

1407
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: lot more. I rewatched that fight a lot, and Gilbert

1408
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: had a much stronger argument. Your point, though about is

1409
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: why it could Whittaker be the proper e cryptom that

1410
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: here he could be. I don't want to necessarily crop

1411
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: dust your first class area because I think that's very disgusting.

1412
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: But you know, we just said, wait to cry a

1413
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: great performance against a refined Paula Coast, and it was.

1414
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: But Paula Coasta don't wrestle like CHAMAIAV. But to be fair, Luke,

1415
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: not many people wrestle like Chamaiev. So I get what

1416
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: you're saying about the unknown of four and five and

1417
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: will the need to preserve that cardio make Chamaiav less

1418
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: dynamic on the ground early knowing that this could very

1419
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: well five rounds because Whittaker is battle tough in all that. Yes,

1420
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: but can you see Whittaker like keeping this fright on

1421
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: the feet if Tremiah commits to that, if he commits

1422
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: to space or you think he can, because That's where

1423
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start the question because.

1424
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: You didn't. I mean, the question is will he but

1425
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 2: we have no idea Can he? Yeah? He absolutely can?

1426
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: He absolutely can. His defensive wrestling is excellent, his balance

1427
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: is excellent, his distance management is excellent. Do I think

1428
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a tough first round where Tremiah just

1429
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: bulldozes any kind of fight IQ just to get a

1430
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: hold of someone. Yes, that is going to happen, and

1431
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to have an answer for it, and

1432
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: a lot of guys won't. But I have a feeling

1433
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: Whittaker will. I have a feeling Whittaker is going to

1434
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: stall out the progression of that and then be able

1435
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: to keep it on the feet. And the question is

1436
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: does he get caught with something or not? What happens

1437
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: to Tremiavan rounds four and five if it goes that long.

1438
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot more known about Robert Whittaker. Not only

1439
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: do we know it, that's one good thing about him,

1440
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: but the answers to what we know are pretty great. Yeah,

1441
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot we don't know about HRAMAIAV, and the

1442
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: answers to some of those could be good when we

1443
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: finally get more information. They could also be real bad.

1444
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: There's true or false. There's a hidden fear in all

1445
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: of us, whether it's directly related to how reportedly bad

1446
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: those COVID battles that he had or not. I think

1447
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: there's a fear in all of us that he's never

1448
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: that he might not ever be the same because of it.

1449
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: Is that fair? I mean, there's other unknowns and weirdness

1450
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: in his story, including missing all that weight ahead of

1451
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: the Nat Diez fight and having to switch the opponents,

1452
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: and I know he mopped up on Holland at last minute,

1453
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, there's a lot of unanswered questions about

1454
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: his cardio, about his primetimeness and a super elite fight.

1455
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know if I have that full

1456
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: confidence he will ever be a five round champion stamina guy.

1457
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't know either. You would have thought coming off

1458
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: fight Island and the subsequent you know, at beating Gerald

1459
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: Meersharp with one pont, You're like, oh my god, this

1460
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: guy's destined for everything. But his progression has been he

1461
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: fights in undisciplined ways against the better guys. He does

1462
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: have first and second round wrestling, but even with the

1463
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: second half of the second round, it goes away a lot.

1464
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: He just resorts to striking, And it's like, Dude, Whittaker

1465
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: has not fought anyone quite like CHAMAIAV. But Whittaker's fought

1466
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: some hammers.

1467
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say about that though, is this,

1468
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: and maybe it plays into our fears of Chamayev and

1469
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: the idea of against better elite guys, he might have

1470
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: to become a brawler. But although Whittaker deserves all the

1471
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: flowers for it against Pula Costa and kept himself in

1472
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: the title picture and almost felt like a rejuvenation, a

1473
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: resurgence at thirty three. Look, he had to wear a

1474
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: lot of that fight in order to get through it.

1475
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: He had to take damage against Costa that was hard

1476
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: earned to the very degree. It wasn't a war, but

1477
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: it was one of those where there was a lot

1478
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: of receipts. That's my only fear. As if Chamaiav looks

1479
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: at this and says, maybe my best chance is to

1480
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: muck this up, make this a war. I don't know

1481
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: how many more Robert Whitterer can do that. I mean

1482
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 1: not many guys can go ten round and his body

1483
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: broke down after ten rounds with Joa Ramero. He couldn't

1484
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: stay in the title picture because he couldn't stay healthy.

1485
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: That would be my only fear heading into their as

1486
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: I have looked at the calculations and goes war is

1487
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: the only way can Robert Whitaker outgun him in a war?

1488
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know Luke DDP went right through him in

1489
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: ways that shocked us.

1490
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: If he were thirty five, I feel a lot differently. Obviously,

1491
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: the DDP loss is one even.

1492
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Though the Luke thirty five and overset does not affect

1493
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: above Walter Wait.

1494
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: Even though no, it's still a fifty to fifty. But

1495
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: at the same time, Whittaker has been at it for

1496
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: a while, and so two more years of damage does

1497
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: feel like a lot considering he's not getting tune up fights.

1498
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: I mean, these are difficult contests he's in. This is

1499
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: not me saying Chamayav has no chance. That's really not

1500
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. What I am saying is Robert Whittaker

1501
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: finally presents an opportunity to get answers to questions about

1502
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Chamayav that have consumed us as fans. We just don't

1503
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: know can he really become a champion. We don't really

1504
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: know what he looks like in the fourth and fifth

1505
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: round because we've never seen it. We don't know what

1506
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be against a guy who is Gilbert

1507
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: Burns was really good, but he wasn't a former champion.

1508
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: Kamaru was, but that was short notice. This isn't any

1509
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: of that yeah, this is former champampion, still in the

1510
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: physical prime. Plenty of heads up the whole nine yards,

1511
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: and neither has to travel at the enormous distance obviously

1512
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: to get there. A little bit less obviously for or Chamaiov,

1513
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: But you get the idea like they're ironing out a

1514
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 2: lot of difficulties that could trip up the other guy

1515
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: or make what comes out of this something of an asterisk.

1516
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: There isn't going to be one here again, knock on wood.

1517
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: Well unless somebody has staff, because that's a new trend

1518
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: on your face.

1519
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: But either way, this is what I mean. This fight

1520
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: is going to be incredible in that in that particular

1521
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: regard BC, you mentioned how good the card is quickly

1522
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: Whittaker versus CHAMAIV in the main event, Pavlovich versus Volkov

1523
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: heavyweight contest in the Cole mad fantastic, I could give her.

1524
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: Take nash Hat Piass against your Gordon Fine fight, Johnny

1525
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: Walker against vulcan Uzdamir. That's a fun one.

1526
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: That's a banger.

1527
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: Bullet maga off, Yeah, Bullet mega mateoff taken on Ehorr Potieria.

1528
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: That's the guy that beat Showgun and he did like

1529
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: the weird like okay, Robot.

1530
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: Who lets Shack Majory into this show, and.

1531
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: Then Kelvin gastolomking on Daniel Rodriguez. They'll be more added

1532
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: to it. So look at how good this card is, right,

1533
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: no title on the line. By the way, it's gonna

1534
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: air on ABC again June twenty second. Let's look at

1535
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: the previous Saudi Arabia card. Remember Ariel Hawani reporting that

1536
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 2: the Saudis were unhappy with this one, which.

1537
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: Dana White said is an outright lie.

1538
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: Now you can decide what's true, But like, look at

1539
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 2: this fight card. Mohammed Makaia versus Alex Pere Perez, Eric Anders,

1540
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: Jamie Pickett, vincias Olaveritik and Yannis Gomori, Joel Alvarez versus

1541
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: ludevet Klein, Javid basherraad Iman's a hobby which ended up

1542
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: being an upset, and then Rosestra versus Gazz You have

1543
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: a terrible fight BC. This new card is literally better

1544
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: fight by fight. Yes, bigger divisional stakes, bigger celebrity.

1545
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: And not in the apex.

1546
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: Not in the apex. I don't know who's telling the truth,

1547
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 2: but I can say, matter of factly, the new Saudi

1548
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: card a lot better than the old.

1549
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: Sid I want to campaigning on Dana, and I saw

1550
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: his interview with Sage Steele where she called him Joe

1551
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: broken twice, the weirdest moment ever, like an hour into

1552
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: their interview, she didn't realize she was with somebody else.

1553
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: But when he went on that ran against media in

1554
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: general about how much their liars and their clickbaits and whatever.

1555
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: Look the truth is. I never think, Dana, what's telling

1556
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: the truth?

1557
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: Ever?

1558
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: And then you can pretty much like look these things

1559
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: up and check in fact check them. So I'm really

1560
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: tired with that whole You know, I can act like

1561
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: how I want because I don't trust the media.

1562
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it gets it gets to me here

1563
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: a little? It all right? What do I know? BC?

1564
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: Time for topic four? Sure, let's do this. So George

1565
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre emerged on the podcast with Kamaru Usman and

1566
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: Henry Sehudo and was asked about how he would do

1567
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: or had he ever fought Abib've never get made off,

1568
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: of course, his since retired greatest lightweight ever, potentially greatest

1569
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: fighter depending your perspective, and he gave an answer that

1570
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: got a lot of people talking. Let's hear what he

1571
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: had to say.

1572
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: I think Kebby could have beat me. I'm not saying

1573
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: I would have beat Kebby all the time. I'm just

1574
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 3: I was confident enough to take that fight that I'm

1575
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: I was thinking that if I take that fight, I'm

1576
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 3: gonna beat him that day at that particular place. That

1577
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I will beat him all the time. But

1578
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 3: I was confident. But maybe I'm wrong, you know, And

1579
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: I think I would have beat him because in a

1580
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 3: way that I was, I was going if he would

1581
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: have come to put pressure on me, I would have

1582
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: put him down.

1583
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: I would have been well.

1584
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: He basically goes on to argue is that they have

1585
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: two different styles of wrestling. Habib blacks you against the fence,

1586
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: moving you side to side, working from the back, and

1587
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: he's like, I can do all my work in the center,

1588
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: both wrestling and striking, and that would have been my advantage. BC.

1589
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: Very basic question to you, would George Saint Pierre have

1590
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 2: beaten Hamibdermerkham made off?

1591
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: I have questions about your question me.

1592
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:41,839
Speaker 2: Okay.

1593
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: First of all, that opened with GSP social media. I'm

1594
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: sorry a Habib social media posts where he said GSP

1595
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: would win. That happened right. It looks like he every

1596
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: interview I've looked up ahead of this topic, Habib has

1597
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: been very respectful of somebody like GSP, who he like

1598
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: looks up to and feels they're of the same milk.

1599
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: So I don't feel like Habib was necessarily saying that

1600
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: number two. Are we asking prime versus prime? Are we

1601
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: asking of the fight that could have happened and probably

1602
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: should have happened right before Habib retired, which is when

1603
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: GSP was saying, I think I can make lightweight. I

1604
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: want to try to be a three division champion. I

1605
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: want to put it on the line. So is it

1606
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: against old GSP at lightweight for the title? Is it

1607
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: mythical matchup at welch?

1608
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: Yourway? What are we doing here? So the way in

1609
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: which he answers it in this conversation is he says

1610
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 2: it would have been at the time that he was

1611
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 2: thirty eight or thirty nine years old, So that would

1612
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: have been about two plus years after he fought Michael Bespick.

1613
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is probably around when when Habib was

1614
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: beating Poorier, when Habib was with.

1615
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah twenty nineteen ish, geegee ish, somewhere along those.

1616
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: Line, Yeah, I'm still taking Habibi. I'm still taking Habib.

1617
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. GSP did come from the other era,

1618
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: the middle era in MMA history, right, he did. And

1619
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: although the Biszes thing win he gets full credit for

1620
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: it was in a second division and it's heroic and

1621
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: it was one of the greatest moments in my combat

1622
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: sports fan and journalism life being thereg in seeing that

1623
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: his career ended in twenty thirteen, more or less, all

1624
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: things considered, and I do think it was a big

1625
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: miss from the UFC, even with GSP breaking Dana's heart

1626
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: that time and lying about defending the middleweight title, that

1627
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: they still should have made it. They still should have

1628
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: made it around the time Habbib was retiring. I think

1629
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: they should have given it to Hibbeb when he originally

1630
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: wanted it, so that he would have gotten it done.

1631
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: Because the only problem about Habib's like legacy, and we

1632
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: did the high court debate on who's the goat, and

1633
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: I was making the argument for he Be because I

1634
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: think there is an argument. But if he would have

1635
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: been able to fight GSP in any form, lightweight, welter,

1636
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: way on the way out and have that one more name,

1637
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if we would push him even further

1638
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: into that goat debate in that idea because it's one

1639
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: more impressive, huge win. But whether it was in their

1640
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: prime or whether it was this thirty eight year old

1641
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 1: version or not, I think Habib's new school elements because

1642
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: he dominated in more of the third generation of m

1643
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: MY history, even though he had already joined the UFC

1644
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: at the time that Habib had his last UFC welterwey

1645
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: fight against Johnny Hendricks before retiring in twenty thirteen. I

1646
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: just think Luke that in GSP setted himself in this

1647
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: extended interview that he believes if Habib was pushing him

1648
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: up to the fence, then he would have that Habib

1649
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: would have a lot more opportunities than if they were

1650
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: in the middle with GSP's jab and all that. I

1651
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: just think that as great as a wrestler as GESP is,

1652
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: and he's still in the argument of greatest MMA wrestler

1653
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: of all time even though he didn't grow up wrestling

1654
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: at all. I just think to Habib's wrestling is on

1655
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: an even higher level above that, and it's because of

1656
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: his ability to essentially take his grappling game and his

1657
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: ability to submit you so fast and merge them together

1658
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: so quickly in that regard flawlessly flow and flowing like

1659
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: that where yes on the feet. If he could get

1660
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: inside that jab and really try to make it more

1661
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: of a clinch fight, it's going to favor Habib. And

1662
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: I get that they're not the same striker, and that's

1663
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: the area overall where GSP would have the advantage, along

1664
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 1: with being arguably the most well rounded mixed martial artists

1665
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: of all time. But Hibib doesn't make mistakes, and I

1666
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: know that GSP used to feast on the mistakes of

1667
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: others and that was a big part of his game.

1668
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: He controlled every aspect of the game. I don't know

1669
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: how you control every aspect of the game against somebody

1670
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: like Kubibe. I think this fight would ultimately be a

1671
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,919
Speaker 1: lot more about position and be long stretches of grappling

1672
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: and maybe wouldn't be this great thriller. But I still

1673
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: can't see Habbib not winning it or finding a way

1674
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: in the end.

1675
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget, GSP is bigger no matter what I mean.

1676
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: They could be at the same weight, but he's just

1677
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: naturally bigger.

1678
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you get with those people that say Hibibe probably

1679
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 1: could have or should have always been a welter.

1680
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: You get. He certainly could have been. I mean, he

1681
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: certainly could have been. Whether he should have been a

1682
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: different question. But what I will say is if the

1683
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: argument from GSP is at at age thirty eight or

1684
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: even thirty nine, so twenty nineteen ish, that at that

1685
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: time he could beat Habib, no, the answer is he

1686
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: could not, sure not at that time. If you wanted

1687
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: to say prime versus prime, or but.

1688
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: Which walterweight prime, because there was the predator younger GSP,

1689
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: I would say welterweight champion, and then there was the

1690
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: point fighting.

1691
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: I would say somewhere around UFC one hundred maybe something,

1692
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: because he beat bjpenned UFC ninety four for the second time,

1693
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: although he greased a lot fair enough, but then he

1694
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: beat Thiago Alves fair square at UFC one hundred, so

1695
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: somewhere around there, I would say. It's a different conversation.

1696
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: That's a slightly different actually a very different conversation. If

1697
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: the argument is also when GSP was thirty two and

1698
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: Abib was like twenty three or something, GSP I think

1699
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 2: obviously wins that one. When Habib is unprepared but at

1700
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: thirty eight thirty nine, I'm just not buying it. A

1701
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 2: yes against Michael Bisping at one hundred and eighty five pounds,

1702
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: he attempted four takedowns and got three, including the choke

1703
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 2: from the back right. All respect to Michael Bisping, but

1704
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: if GSP is having to come down and wait to

1705
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: either media to Catchwaight one sixty five whatever, and now

1706
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: you give Habib bulk plus, he's going to be the

1707
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: younger guy by a significant margin at that point and

1708
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: he can go into.

1709
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: The later rounds and wrestle more with without having to

1710
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: cut that.

1711
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: Weight that hebie wins. And I've heard guys at AKA

1712
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 2: tell me I've had conversations with Javier from AKA, Javier A. Mendez,

1713
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: who's the mastermind, tell me like I've seen him take

1714
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: down and submit light heavyweights. And then Luke Rockold, Yes,

1715
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: Habib is a nightmare for me to deal.

1716
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: With the greatest wrestler in mixed marshall Ar's history.

1717
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: He'llbee certainly one of the most effective ones. I mean,

1718
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: you got guys who are like.

1719
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about what amateurs, I'm talking about what

1720
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: you did in the Olympics or and the amateurs are

1721
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: in college because it's different.

1722
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: He changed, He he along with many other guys, changed

1723
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 2: the way in which MMA wrestling even works. So like,

1724
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: that's how impactful they've been. But BC, I gotta tell you,

1725
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't. I don't see anyway that.

1726
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: Do you agree with thirty nine that he wins.

1727
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: That that fight should have happened at least?

1728
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: Yes, it seems by the way GSP and his interviews

1729
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: like guys on past forty, it's not going to happen.

1730
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: Oh now really yeah, I mean he wanted to be

1731
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: clear he's closing the door on it.

1732
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, Habib's not coming back either from what I believe.

1733
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: But but yes, the twenty nineteen ish, yes, it should

1734
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: have really happened.

1735
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: Man, And I wonder do you think it could have

1736
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: changed Habib further into the conversation.

1737
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: I think if GSP loses to Habib, Habib would go

1738
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 2: into like, I mean, you're beating it, not just another

1739
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: pound an all time guy.

1740
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: We might be having a not he wouldn't be the

1741
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: loan go, but it might be a debate between him

1742
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: and Jonathan.

1743
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

1744
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: Wow, all right? Topic number five Luke let's get into

1745
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: some of UFC match making. There's been a lot of

1746
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: hullabu about you know, the Apex cards and why are

1747
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: we still in Vegas. Ariel Hawani had a somewhat legendary

1748
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: rant I think in the past week alone, and we've

1749
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: talked about it that nauseum. But there's some things that

1750
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: are really itching me lately about the overall idea big picture.

1751
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: UFC still hitting your hard with all these big cards

1752
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: we just laid out Saudi Arabia, three hundreds coming. I mean,

1753
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: no chay, it's all going to get us. The in

1754
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: betweens are getting worse and worse as this company continues

1755
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: to fulfill the expectations of its ESPN contract and fill

1756
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: out the content. But Luke, we've got a Fight Night

1757
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: main event this week in a card that's uh this

1758
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: Saturday at the Apex. And did you see the announcement

1759
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: for that upcoming Saint Louis card I Can we skip

1760
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: ahead to this and we'll get back to this in

1761
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: a second, to the second part, So Luke coming up

1762
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis in a UFC Fight Night main event.

1763
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, the heavyweight we love who has lost six

1764
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: of his last dight, including his last fight, is going

1765
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: to fight somebody named Rodrigo Nasamento. And I say somebody disrespectfully.

1766
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's put together three FOURFC wins in a row.

1767
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: I felt for a moment when we go back and

1768
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, what's the worst you have seen main

1769
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: event in modern history? Like is it really Calvio versus I?

1770
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: Has there been something? Because there's been at least three

1771
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: or four in the past twelve months that I feel

1772
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: like are in this debate. I always felt like Derek

1773
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: Lewis versus abdul Kara Moth in Albany that time in

1774
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: like twenty seventeen was as bad as it can get. Shamil, Yeah,

1775
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: I feel like there's been a few lately. We can

1776
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: talk about the one this Saturday. Do you have a

1777
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: general statement on this water down nature? I mean, should

1778
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: we shut up because the big picture is so bright

1779
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: right now?

1780
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 2: Because let me let me read you some names. Let

1781
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: me read you some names. Okay, here we go. I'm

1782
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: gonna read you. I think eleven names. Ready Anderson Silva,

1783
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 2: John Jones, Randy Gatore, Tito Ortiz, Michael Bisping, BJ Penn

1784
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: Frankie Edgar, GSP Junior, Del Santos, Lioto, Machiita, and Vitor

1785
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: belfour BC. How would you characterize.

1786
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: Those nows campshit only?

1787
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: Okay, this comes to us from Andy Hickey on Twitter. Quote.

1788
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: In the thirty one year history of the promotion, just

1789
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: eleven fighters the ones I just read have headlined on

1790
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: more occasions. They're all undisputed champions. The only one you

1791
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: can add to that list who has also headlined more

1792
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: than eleven times is Derek Lewis. So you got to

1793
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: add Derek Lewis to the Tito Ortizes, the Randy Coturs,

1794
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: the Michael Bispings, the Edgars, the gspss and so forth,

1795
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: and John Jones and whatnot. It is incomprehensible. I understand

1796
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 2: he's well liked. I understand he's always got a big punch.

1797
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: This is not really a commentary on Derek Lewis as

1798
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: a fighter. It is a commentary on him being chosen

1799
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: for these heavyweight main event slots that for five rounds

1800
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: no one really wants to see for five. Granted, this

1801
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 2: one probably won't go five, but they often do in

1802
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 2: ways that are not great. It's weird that he is

1803
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: being placed alongside these other names for how many main

1804
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: event slots he's gotten and BCS speaks to a larger

1805
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 2: problem with the UFC enforcing artificial scarcity at home with

1806
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: the Apex and with other shows so that they can

1807
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: go feast in certain ways all these pay per views

1808
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: and then it's famine the rest of the time.

1809
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: The Apex is a problem right now, but it's a

1810
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: cost effective problem for them, And you can always argue, well,

1811
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: it's for the hardcore is and there isn't life there

1812
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: a problem for for what what are you saying?

1813
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: So when you say the apex is a problem, who

1814
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 2: is it a problem for.

1815
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: It's a problem for the fans, and I think some

1816
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: of the fighters obviously there, you know, I hear a

1817
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about it, and some fighters don't care.

1818
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect their preparation or their performance or whatever.

1819
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: It's a bad look in my opinion for where the

1820
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: company is at. It's in its strength. But even if

1821
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: you're playing the card of these in betweens are for

1822
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: the hardcore fans and they'll watch anything anyway, and shut

1823
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: up BC, and we're getting all these big events. That's fine,

1824
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: But Long Island look could you throw back up this

1825
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: Saturday's card. It's one thing to have really bad cards

1826
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: like this, which is this Saturday's Apex card. It's another

1827
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 1: thing to do that Derek Lewis card when you're finally

1828
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: out there at a crowd where they can celebrate the

1829
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: matchups that they're going to have to pay for, and

1830
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: we know how much ticket prices are jacked to the roof.

1831
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: Look look this, Look at this card. Brandon Allen versus

1832
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: is Chris Curtis two is your main event? Look I

1833
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: don't hate this fight, but this is not a main event.

1834
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 2: These are just okay.

1835
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: But that's not even close to a main event in

1836
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: my opinion.

1837
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest, Like, looking at this card, it's

1838
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,520
Speaker 2: just a list of fights. It's not there's no coherence

1839
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: to it. There's no theme to it, there's no there's

1840
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 2: no identity to it. It's just, Hey, we've gotta we

1841
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 2: gotta fill this weekend with some fights, just just randomly.

1842
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: Back up there, Alexander Hernandez and Damon Jackson is your

1843
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: co Maine. The rest of that main card is an

1844
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: absolute joke. And then like you got you remain to

1845
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: random coming back after pregnancy, former champion. We haven't seen her.

1846
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: Wall just buried on the prelimbs against Norma Dumont in

1847
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: a division that might not exist outside of the upcoming

1848
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: Kila Harrison.

1849
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: Heid women's bantam way fights.

1850
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: Heidi Holm fight, which is interesting, and we have you know,

1851
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: two of them on here. If this is one card,

1852
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: I would do the shut up They got to fill

1853
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: out there fifty four weeks a year or whatever they're

1854
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: deals with ESPN, But this is this one. I could

1855
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: bring up the one from three weeks ago and it's

1856
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: not much better. I could bring up at the Lake

1857
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: City one, to be fair for the most part was blah.

1858
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: It's one thing to do blah in the Apex. Now

1859
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: they're going to do really bad bla in Saint Louis

1860
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: with Derek Lewis, Like, they should be better than this.

1861
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: They should be luke.

1862
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: Guys.

1863
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: This is an issue because take the last six fights

1864
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: off a UFC three hundred and make those main events

1865
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: for the next six months of the Apex cards and

1866
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: I'll shut up. But there should be a reason for

1867
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: me to need to see Saturday, not want to need

1868
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 1: to see this Saturday. I'll be in Florida on vacation

1869
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, not going to watch. There's not a need

1870
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: for me to watch this Saturday's card under any circumstance

1871
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: as a journalist or fan. There's not a need at all.

1872
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 2: There is no need. There is no need. I mean, listen,

1873
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 2: the reality is this right, And people get upset when

1874
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: I say this. I'm not saying in a super pejorative way.

1875
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm merely making a description about the environment in which

1876
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: we live. That is to say, the UFC is a monopoly.

1877
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: And when you said, hey, going to the Apex is bad,

1878
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 2: I asked you who's it bad for? Very purposefully, because

1879
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: it might be bad for the fans, depending on your view.

1880
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: It might be bad if you're a fighter, depending on

1881
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: your view. It's not bad for the UFC, because for

1882
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 2: the UFC's purposes, they have these low cost events at

1883
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: the Apex. They do a third of their calendar now

1884
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: in a warehouse, and they can drive scarcity whenever they

1885
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 2: go on the road, in particular but non exclusive to

1886
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: the pay per views.

1887
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: No one's asking them about this, by the way.

1888
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: Nobody's asking no one's asking about this, by the way,

1889
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 2: It's not just that they can do higher gates. They

1890
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: can get tourism money right, the Tourism Board of Australia

1891
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City brings them there. It's a way

1892
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: to drive up scarcity and therefore the overall revenue. In

1893
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: other words, it's the machine of the UFC arranging their

1894
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 2: product in a way to extract more wealth from it.

1895
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: Whether or not it is fan service and oftentimes it

1896
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: is not, is irrelevant. It is financial service, which is

1897
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: their right to do. But this is what I mean.

1898
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: People keep saying it's better for their the MMA world

1899
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: to be under one umbrella for simplicity's sake relative to boxing,

1900
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: and that might be true. But the problem is when

1901
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: you get one firm who controls the entire market with

1902
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: to the extent that they do.

1903
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: Yes be against their own fighters' ability to to uh whatever.

1904
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: What I mean to say is they're going to serve

1905
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: their interests because they don't have as much to worry

1906
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: about counting on the fans because they have nowhere to go.

1907
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: And I know people can just say, well, then speak

1908
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: with your wallet if the ratings aren't there, if the

1909
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: ticket sales don't move, But yet the ticket sales are

1910
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: jumping out, and I still think they're benefiting from post COVID.

1911
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cities that haven't had them in

1912
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 1: a while. UFC brand is hot, especially in Middle of America.

1913
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they don't care, but UFC should care.

1914
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: It's just what I'm saying. You're too You're too You're

1915
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: you have control of the market. You're too far ahead

1916
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: financially to not, at the very at the very least,

1917
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: give us the main event that we can't miss, at

1918
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: the very least, come on, this is I mean, I've

1919
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: seen Dana White Contender series cards have been way more

1920
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 1: jacked up for than.

1921
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: This, even those have certainly taken a hit and quality

1922
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: as well. This is what I mean. They're they're arranging

1923
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: their product in a way that serves their interest, which

1924
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: is their right to do. But because they have no

1925
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: competition that can force them out of this behavior, they'll

1926
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: just keep doing it.

1927
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: And because all those fighters took the short term money

1928
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: to end this long term you know, uh class action lawsuit,

1929
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,839
Speaker 1: there's no need to. And then bloody elbows new owners

1930
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: just stripped all their records, you know, so it's like, why, sorry,

1931
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: john S Nash, you can't change the world the long

1932
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's frustrating. It's frustrating, Luke.

1933
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 2: But that's welcome to the rest of the next ten

1934
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: years ago.

1935
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: Those are our five topics for the week that was Luke.

1936
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: Now we transition into a weekly segment where we let

1937
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: the fans get involved a little bit. Right every Sunday

1938
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: night on the morning Combat Socials, we sound the alarm,

1939
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: play the French horn in a creepy, very creepy voice

1940
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: in a way, and we say, please send us your

1941
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: questions fans, and we call the segment DMS from the Donks.

1942
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: It's almos a very disturbing.

1943
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: You know, of the many things we could have changed

1944
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: in MK two point zero. That theme song for this

1945
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: segment it needs to go.

1946
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that sounds real bad. Whatever that donkey's doing,

1947
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: it sounds very very bad. Yeah, don't.

1948
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we might lose our sponsors here, Luke. Question

1949
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: number one is going to come to us from Sasquad.

1950
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: M m a oh. This is more of a Luke question,

1951
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: not aimed at me Cormier either, obviously, Luke, how do

1952
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: you get better at tape study?

1953
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: They get better at tape study?

1954
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: Not a pause, right pause, rewind The.

1955
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: Part of the reality is you have to do it

1956
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: a lot. Like anything else, you just have to do

1957
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: it a lot, and then when you do it a lot,

1958
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: you'll begin to see what you're good at, what you're

1959
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 2: bad at, what takes you a while, what you're what

1960
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 2: you're quick at. So I'd say partly practice is the

1961
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 2: obvious answer. Really, the reality is you have to have

1962
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: You don't have to be you know, Jose Aldo in

1963
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 2: order to do tape study, but you do have to

1964
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: have at least I think I personally believe BC foundational

1965
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: training to kind of know what you're looking for. And also,

1966
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,879
Speaker 2: here's one thing I do like as a frame of reference,

1967
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: if there's a knockout, I treat the knockout like a autopsy.

1968
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: In other words, like if this person went was concussed

1969
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 2: and knocked out, what are all the factors that led

1970
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: up to that moment, and how do I delineate them?

1971
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: So you have to kind of like a reverse engineer

1972
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 2: and say, like what matters what led to this, What

1973
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: was the foot positioning, what was the defense, what was

1974
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: it not? And then you have to get into sort of,

1975
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, apply the lessons that you've learned. But I

1976
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: do think a little bit of foundational training, constant improvement

1977
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 2: in your areas of technical proficiency, and then just a

1978
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 2: lot of practice.

1979
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: You know, Lee Wiley, the Boxing Voice, if people don't know,

1980
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: was a was a UK factory worker, like literally had

1981
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: a passion for making YouTube videos breaking down boxing technique.

1982
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: Got so known for that that now he's like an

1983
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 1: assistant trainer with Ben Davison who works with Anthony Joshua.

1984
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Watch his tape.

1985
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: Just crush his tape. Honest question here, you've crushed tape

1986
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: to the level that you've told me that certain fighters

1987
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: and teams have actually reached out to you for either

1988
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: questions or maybe have you? Would you ever consider that

1989
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: as like a side hustle, Like I've got door Dash

1990
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: as the side hustle, and I'm proud of that. I'm

1991
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: not ashamed of that. You think I'm ashamed of that.

1992
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm American, No, Luke, I guess you can be a

1993
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: non American still door Dash, Yeah, I definitely can. Would

1994
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: you ever do that? Would you ever work a camp

1995
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: with a fighter? Would you ever?

1996
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: It would have to be for a lot of money,

1997
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: and it would be kind of weird too. I mean,

1998
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 2: I've done game plans for amateurs because there's you know,

1999
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 2: there's no there's literally no financial.

2000
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: Offer that service.

2001
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 2: Is that like I've done it before. I've done it before.

2002
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 2: I'm not saying no. I would never not help a fighter,

2003
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: but it would take a lot for me to be

2004
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: a part of a camp no money.

2005
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: You also hate most fighters, it seems.

2006
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean I hate most people. Yeah, just another person.

2007
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: All right? Second d M from Donk is going to

2008
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: come at us from Brendan Lynch Media, is that.

2009
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: Our old social media guy we should rehire have fallen?

2010
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: He was He's like a poor man's Gordon Ryan, but

2011
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: he's pretty decent. He wants to know it. UFC Atlantic

2012
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: City was crowd noise slash popularity a factor in the

2013
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: referee ignoring the wideman I pokes? And would it have

2014
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: been a no contest had it been an apex prelim fight.

2015
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: I don't know if you really get that much better

2016
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 2: officiating outside.

2017
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, he's saying if there was

2018
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 1: no crowd, but New Jersey is typically pretty good. You

2019
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: can't hear I pokes. You gotta see him, I know.

2020
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: I honestly I don't really believe so. And the reason

2021
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: why BC is because they're never fucking enforced. You can

2022
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: gouge a fucker's eyes out and they'll be like no contact. Yeah,

2023
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: rather than just calling a dismaller.

2024
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Throw a dollar through a window and Dana will just

2025
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: be like, well he got fined a lot you by

2026
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: the police, you.

2027
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, the the you know, like there, we looked

2028
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: into it and then that was all we do.

2029
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: Do you see where Dana claims that Habib had to

2030
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: pay two million for uh karate kicking Dylan Danis, that's funny,

2031
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: that's funny. Could they could get a two million dollar

2032
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: levy against somebody?

2033
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Presumably yes, because he.

2034
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Probably he probably made. I mean, that's the biggest fight

2035
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: in him in my history, so he probably made what

2036
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: do you think ten million? Take on?

2037
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Dana White has been known to be somewhat loose with

2038
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: the truth.

2039
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: I forgot about that sometimes. All right, let's thank you

2040
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Brendan Lynch for that. Do you think he's on the gear?

2041
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: I think he's on some kind of drugs tell you

2042
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: that much.

2043
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to custom props. One has a question for

2044
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: us in the DMS where it all goes down people,

2045
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: what on UFC three hundred are you guys most excited about.

2046
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing. I'm not nearly as upset

2047
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 2: about bo nichols placement on the main card because I'm

2048
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: not a I'm not a hoe. That's the biggest one

2049
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 2: I would say.

2050
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm also a Cody Brundage fan.

2051
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, he's a minus like he's a fairly significant underdog.

2052
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: But I don't hate that I fight. I'm looking forward

2053
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: to the most. I'm looking definitely looking forward to the

2054
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: return of rackets.

2055
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: Who's he Who's Rackage fighting?

2056
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Is that he is fighting year? Yeah?

2057
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh not Yon year? Yes?

2058
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 2: Yes, is a big one. That one's completed. The ANSWER's

2059
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 2: got to be Oldavera and uh and Army.

2060
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: That is my answer as well. Luke Thomas, I love that.

2061
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I love that fight. I love that division. Damn, let's

2062
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: see if armand can. He's gonna have to raise his game.

2063
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: He raised his game against dry Us, but he's got

2064
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: to raise this is another level against Olives. There cannot

2065
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: wait for that. Oh hey remember David Appleton twenty twenty

2066
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: three co At Warning Combat Donk of the Year. Appy

2067
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: says what best explains BC's new jawline and high cheekbone

2068
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: is it a his scary personal trainer is actually real.

2069
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Shout out to Darren Robinson on Instagram. Yes he is.

2070
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Two drugs win the drug war, which Luke believes in.

2071
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: And which you don't have meth face, so that wouldn't

2072
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: be it.

2073
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: And three, speaking of whippets, the RBS branch closed their Connecticut.

2074
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: There can be no other answer other than he has

2075
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 2: no parking lot in which to do whippets in and

2076
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 2: eat a tasty chadar beef.

2077
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: I know it's big in the comedy in the comedy world,

2078
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: but no ozempic on this guy. Okay. Just hard work

2079
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: and hustle, okay, And it's really just education. It's because

2080
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: I have a trainer and I listen to him and

2081
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:35,520
Speaker 1: he's a nutritionist.

2082
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: Are you still lifting? I am still My nutrition sucks,

2083
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 2: but I've been lifting very well.

2084
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm focused more on the nutrition, but I

2085
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: am working out three days a week and.

2086
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Yeah, I'm only a four or five.

2087
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 1: So I dude, I'm I don't have I'm only forty five.

2088
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a bam, but if

2089
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: I work out consecutive days, Luke, I'm I'm correcked. I'm

2090
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: physically wrecked.

2091
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 2: Physically, we're still using glove It's like a complete bitch.

2092
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,799
Speaker 1: No, I haven't worked on gloves since I was fifteen.

2093
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: But you know, my son loves them and he works

2094
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: out with him. So if it's good enough for Ronnie

2095
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Coleman and my son, I.

2096
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Not in favor of this. It's time to bully your son.

2097
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: That's what it's for, so unnecessary. Thank you Appy for

2098
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: reaching out. What do you think Appy's up to these days?

2099
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: Crimes? Sex crimes?

2100
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay. Finally, last DM is from Coiled Consciousness. He says,

2101
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: what brought you the most joy during the time that

2102
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you were away? They're referencing the MK.

2103
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I had much joy during

2104
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: the time that we were away, I could be perdude.

2105
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 2: That was one of the worst times of my life

2106
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 2: in the last fifteen years. It was terrible.

2107
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I never assumed that it would that it would hit

2108
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: me as hard as I did at certain times, and

2109
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: it d knocked me off my feet a couple of times.

2110
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's because obviously, this is our life, this

2111
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: is our passion, this is the spirit that we bring

2112
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: to this show. It's because it's like anything, It's like,

2113
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we love to do, and

2114
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: it kind of got pulled away and the uncertainty and

2115
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 1: all that. But dor d ashing did bring me joy, Luke, okay,

2116
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: and I brought you some routine, a little bit of cash, little.

2117
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: A little bit of cash. I was just worried about

2118
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 2: your mental state. I would say that you're gonna laugh

2119
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 2: at this, but it really is true. And I thought

2120
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: about this several times. I don't think folks have any

2121
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 2: idea the kind of mental pressure we were under during

2122
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: that time. You do, obviously, because we.

2123
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: Talked about because because our when showtime went away, our

2124
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: finance has changed a lot significantly.

2125
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 2: I would say, you're gonna laugh at me, BC, and

2126
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: people are listening home, gonna be like, oh, that's a

2127
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: bullshit answer. It's not. It's the honest to God's truth, dude.

2128
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 2: My wife and my kid man, they were my rock

2129
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: during that time, and they brought me great joy and

2130
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 2: uh not much did not much did. So I got

2131
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 2: to count my blessings where I can.

2132
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure your search history, though, was just absolutely discussed.

2133
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 2: I've been watching what it can only be discribed. No no, no,

2134
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 2: no no no no no no no.

2135
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: Okay that's the d MS from Donks for the week. Uh, Luke,

2136
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: we have this other segment that we do every Monday.

2137
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: People seem to like it.

2138
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: Here.

2139
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: It's where your boy BC scours the globe for the

2140
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: heis and lows the good, the bad, the ugly, in

2141
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: the in between, in the worlds of combat sports and beyond.

2142
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: Very little combat sports this week, because I've had such

2143
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: good ish loaded up for weeks and months while door dashing.

2144
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: This one's called have you seen this shit?

2145
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: That one? I'm glad we kept.

2146
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: It's a great of your viral videos of the week

2147
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 1: True or false? Are Our staff had to We had

2148
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: to trim a couple of these.

2149
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: Didn't know we were doing this in North Korea. Didn't

2150
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 2: know we had Chinese government sensors. Okay, okay, I said,

2151
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 2: government sensors, you know. But we did our best to

2152
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: give the crowd what they want.

2153
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe if if Uncle Pat Militic could have gotten

2154
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: up those steps right now, we'd be playing all these

2155
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: videos here. I'm having fun with you, Luke. Here is

2156
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: a video of me celebrating the announcement of MK's return

2157
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: so that I can quit door dashing.

2158
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 2: Dude, what the fuck this is.

2159
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: Me celebrating once I found out that we signed with

2160
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: metal Ark and DraftKings Loup, you know.

2161
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 2: And it says felt as happy.

2162
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: Parties, Happy parties. Indeed, Luke today brought us a return

2163
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: to your favorite place in the world, the New York

2164
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: City subway system.

2165
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 2: Just full of feckined with disease and rodents. Ah, here

2166
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: we go, lo who brought the dick?

2167
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah that looks planned.

2168
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 2: Why don't you slip and slide your own piss guy?

2169
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh? He he went down on into that guy door

2170
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: looked like a DoorDash delivery guy right there. Imagine getting

2171
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: your food delivered via subway ride by that guy. You'd

2172
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:35,799
Speaker 1: have me delivery?

2173
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would first of all rather to have you

2174
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 2: delivered because it would get to my house. And then

2175
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 2: also I could just tip you nothing, which I'm dying

2176
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 2: to do. Well.

2177
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 1: We're also back from Vegas, baby, and a lot of

2178
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: people said, because they know we stayed at the MGM

2179
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Grand you had a knubs room, by the way, so

2180
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: just the worst one.

2181
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: They're like, Okay, we've got a butthole. Which one do

2182
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: you want to stay?

2183
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 4: Like?

2184
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: What airline did you guys take? Was it Spirit or Frontier?

2185
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:11,919
Speaker 1: Let's let Oscar explain Vegas. Big Titty Committee.

2186
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Oscar and his significant other find themselves

2187
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: very humorous and no one else does.

2188
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: Well, Luke, Big Titty Committee Airlines also greets you on

2189
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: board with a specialty cake. But Luke, speaking of no Speers,

2190
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: we know that Wu Tang is for the children. So

2191
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 1: is coach Craig Jones. Oh god, the choice of a

2192
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: new generation.

2193
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 2: Luke nose Beers.

2194
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't even like that name very much, but well, Luke,

2195
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: we also got a special preview of Craig Jones's parade

2196
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: float that's coming up for Marti Gras. Your thoughts on that?

2197
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 2: Is that supposed to be Dylan Danis? Oh wow, wow?

2198
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2199
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Is he dating Sydney Sweeney.

2200
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: Or was that a bad No chance? That's silch world

2201
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: that we know if he If he was, I might

2202
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 2: have to just call it a day, just dunk off,

2203
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

2204
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: Well, Luke, we are nothing without our Morning Combat fans.

2205
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 1: I cannot stress enough to thanks for everybody that wellness

2206
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 1: checked us throughout the last few months. Sure, but no

2207
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 1: MK fan was cooler during our break than one Christian

2208
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: de Guero. Yeah, de Guero was victorious and competing for

2209
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: the Spar Star Amateur featherweight title, and you know, I

2210
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: want to know what he was wearing MK on the.

2211
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: Dong scores about twenty nine to twenty eight in favor

2212
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 2: of our winner by split decision. They are the new

2213
01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: Spar promotion feather Yeah, I got MK on the olds.

2214
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: You see people tagged me and this being like, oh,

2215
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 2: it's so great that one of your fans could wear

2216
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 2: your logo on their twigging berries and also that Luke

2217
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 2: you were there to referee, and I was like, hey, fuck.

2218
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: I did get a few different amateur fighters after we

2219
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: shared Christians video saying like where's the template? I'll do

2220
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: it on mine too. I mean, we have no problem

2221
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: as long as we like the fighter putting our lug

2222
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: on their on their balls.

2223
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: Like other promoters were also not into fighter pay. You

2224
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

2225
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Do you have a message to Christian? He he came

2226
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to our three Marguerite a live.

2227
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Show, Congratulations on the win. Phenomenal job and we when

2228
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 2: I say I expect more, it's because I really believe

2229
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 2: he can do so much more.

2230
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Shout out to Christian digarrel. Let's follow him

2231
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: up the rise one day. I will coach Littori that

2232
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: man when I one day, No, okay, I mean you're

2233
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 1: going to bang them, or maybe i'll add zuck him

2234
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: remembers you did that.

2235
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 2: They got viciously, Luke.

2236
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Lots of folks are asking how we got so fit

2237
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: during the MK break. This is what my trainer had.

2238
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Me doing, is raging out. Dude, What the fuck is

2239
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 2: wrong with these people?

2240
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: I think that's called the heavy bag, Luke.

2241
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 2: That's called a bruised bag. Yeah, I don't understand. What

2242
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 2: do these guys like. It's like, oh, I grow deformities

2243
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,640
Speaker 2: on my testicles. That makes me tough. I'm like, this

2244
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: doesn't make you tough, dude, This just makes you, uh,

2245
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 2: incapable of having offspring, which, in this gentleman's case, is

2246
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 2: probably a great thing. Again, boys and girls, probably most

2247
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 2: of you dudes need to get a vasectomy.

2248
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, previously that man had blue balls, Now.

2249
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: They're black and okay, get the fuck out of my life.

2250
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: Hey, how about some elder abuse. It's been a while. Yeah,

2251
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: what's the top left corner of your screen here at

2252
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: this Philadelphia Phillies game.

2253
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh, look at that. Yeah, why don't you try another

2254
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 2: balance in the act holding food grab? Hey, could you

2255
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 2: tuck your shirt in more? Asshole?

2256
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: I hope you got home in time for Matt Lockeluke.

2257
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 2: Nice shorts that you could cover a fucking house with.

2258
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, people are always saying that pro wrestling

2259
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: was better in the nineteen eighties, Luke, want have to

2260
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: take your word for it when it felt real to people.

2261
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: Let's go back and see some fans from back then.

2262
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 2: Roger was this in Philadelphia.

2263
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Imagine going to the printer and nineteen eighty six going

2264
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: to your local print shop.

2265
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: Right, so I need to say Roddy Piper has aids Luke.

2266
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound old, but it feels like

2267
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: barbershops were also better in the nineteen eighties. Let's check

2268
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: in on today's skills. Luke asked me if I've ever

2269
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: had that, Pardon me, I have to ask you a question.

2270
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 1: You got to get that taint trimmed up, right?

2271
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 2: He just ask you how hairy is it back there

2272
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 2: that you need a professional operation to manage the kudzoo

2273
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: like overgrowth.

2274
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in seeing just just once, just to

2275
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: find out. Though we got a new haircut style, Luke,

2276
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: who needs to buy hats these days?

2277
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 2: You know why? That fucking rules? That is pretty awesome, right,

2278
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 2: that is has utility. Oh, he's got the Nike swoosh

2279
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: available for sponsors.

2280
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 1: Speaking of sponsors, dude, I tried to get at three

2281
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: different seven elevens this morning because I want to become

2282
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: the spokesman for it, the new hot dog Seltzer Water.

2283
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to christen this set with seven eleven hot

2284
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Dog Seltzer Water like it deserves.

2285
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 2: And they didn't.

2286
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: They didn't sell it in two different failed. They didn't

2287
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: even heard of it in each seven level. Look Like

2288
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: they looked at me like I was crazy. I'm like,

2289
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: you're working at seven eleven. I don't think they're follow

2290
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: these And they were like, don't you door that?

2291
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not as hopelessly addicted to online life as

2292
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 2: we are.

2293
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: All right, And now, Luken editorial about my feelings on

2294
01:41:53,640 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: the UFC Anti trust lawsuit settlement. All right, I mean

2295
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: they had a chance to change the world, Luke, and

2296
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: they didn't.

2297
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 2: And they didn't.

2298
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: We'll skip over that one too.

2299
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: A bunch of good ones, huh.

2300
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe we'll come back to them someday.

2301
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: But it's time to get your kicks. Here, here's your

2302
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: here's your uh, here's your spinny ship.

2303
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 2: Of the week. Luke security being harassed like.

2304
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: A European Walmart of some kind. Oh you'll pay for that, sir,

2305
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: bop Oh, I didn't know Terry Adams shopped there. Wow.

2306
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that is wonderful, edson working security. Don't mess with him, Luke.

2307
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:43,799
Speaker 1: Do you think soccer kicks should be legal.

2308
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 2: In mm A uh certain kinds?

2309
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Yes, what about in soccer?

2310
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 2: Let's see, so this is like footsol yeah, which is

2311
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: a little bit different.

2312
01:42:54,520 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, all right, that's a uh dude, she

2313
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 4: just punts her in the face.

2314
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 1: It happened, all right. Wow, let's go to regional Mma,

2315
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: where we know anything can happen.

2316
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 2: Augustani style of soccer is this is a double knockout.

2317
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Watch this, Luke. There's one of them.

2318
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:20,799
Speaker 2: He steals on him twice.

2319
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: Dude.

2320
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 2: You know when you fall forward like that, like with

2321
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: your head, Oh, you can get real injured like that

2322
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 2: that ref I'm telling you, dude, you fight in regional mma,

2323
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 2: you are taking your life into your.

2324
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: Hands as a spectator too. You never know what happened. Luke,

2325
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: You've long said, true or false, that being an on

2326
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 1: air analyst for professional strong men events on TV was

2327
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: one of your like bucket list dreams would be. All right,

2328
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: can you play the analyst for us and give it

2329
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: a try out here on this attempt?

2330
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 2: All right, this big fat fuck here with some big

2331
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 2: ass titties is going to lift this rock, sir.

2332
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: There's a professional broadcast is wild world is way.

2333
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 2: Too far away from our He gets some wonder Let's see,

2334
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna squat it down, and so he's gonna put

2335
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 2: into his lap. Oh, actually goes right to the shoulder.

2336
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 2: That's actually pretty impressive.

2337
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Strong as shit, this guy, right, he looks like he's drunk.

2338
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: What waiste size do you think he is?

2339
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: That's at least a fifty? Oh look at this fucking

2340
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:16,839
Speaker 2: look at this low level primate.

2341
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: Alright, Hey, march madness is in full effect, Luke. Okay,

2342
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: let's go over the Arizona game. I think they call

2343
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: this a one that wasn't overrated, was unintentional? All right?

2344
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: You never seen in soccer how after a game that

2345
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,520
Speaker 1: the two guys that respect each other the most swapped.

2346
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 2: The jerseys, not just soccer.

2347
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: But yes, they're starting to do that in the NBA too.

2348
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: Let's look in on this, Luke.

2349
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean this had to be a bit Grady.

2350
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: Dick, right well, a really good young player, right they.

2351
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 2: The first of all, this is college, not the pro.

2352
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: This is pro.

2353
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 2: This is pros. Who is the fucking Poindexter loser on

2354
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: the left, Grady Dick, Grady Dick. See again, Yeah he's good.

2355
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: He plays with the raptors. I think is that a

2356
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: raptor's jersey?

2357
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 2: Long onland we say, a place with the raptors. Does

2358
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: he average more than six points a game? Yes?

2359
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: He was a long islan. Luke. Can you look up

2360
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: his rookie stats for us?

2361
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 2: Please?

2362
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right, we'll keep it going here, Luke.

2363
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 2: Let's go go to basketball expert Luke Thomas.

2364
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: I was really upset when the Morning Combat merch site

2365
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 1: put up a morning Hub t shirt using the logo.

2366
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: But now restaurants are jumping into.

2367
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Luke food that will make you calm. You know what,

2368
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 2: This is the kind of place I want to visit.

2369
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 2: Someone booked me a flight to Shanghai. I've got things

2370
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: to do.

2371
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: What it's called fan hub, Luke MK fans are always

2372
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: speculating what I'm doing off camera while interviewing Strawights, and

2373
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: I think it's very Oh sorry, look this was sorry,

2374
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 1: this was the wrong video. Sorry did they pull that

2375
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 1: one too?

2376
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't know what that was?

2377
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yo, that's that would remember how I met

2378
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: your mother? That was how your mother got pink eye?

2379
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: Was that clip right there? Okay? But MK fans always

2380
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: speculating there was like, you know, pantiless BC. Well he's

2381
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 1: interviewing these great fighters, which is so disrespectful.

2382
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: Luke.

2383
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: But here's a uh, you know, related video of.

2384
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 2: What actually happens, the same one.

2385
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 1: That's the same one. Okay, all right, that's great. I

2386
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: guess we don't have that one doing. Boy, they cut

2387
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: a lot of this ship from that looks like damn well, okay,

2388
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 1: play what we got next. I don't know where we

2389
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: are in this.

2390
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh please just murder me? Okay, Well, Luke, they guys,

2391
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 2: I want everyone listening right out so they can be

2392
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 2: very clear. It would be perfectly acceptable to murder me

2393
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 2: this way. This is leave me in the sauna tent

2394
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 2: and just consume me with marijuana. Smith.

2395
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: This is the new hot box right here, Luke, not

2396
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson's podcast or not the This is Heaven on

2397
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: Earth broken down car and Jeff Heerd's lawn that we

2398
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 1: used to sit in freshman in college, dying to have

2399
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 1: an experience like this, quite literally, I wonder if the

2400
01:46:58,760 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 1: man inside lived.

2401
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 2: Who cares?

2402
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, at least he went out doing what he loves, right.

2403
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Who cares? Eight points a game?

2404
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: Greaty Dick on the eight points a game. I thought

2405
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: he was like legit, like all American in college in

2406
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:09,879
Speaker 1: a high draft.

2407
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 2: Picker, you can be all American in college. You've seen

2408
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 2: the Europeans these days getting with Jimmer Fredett.

2409
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: He's scoring like eighty in China now jimmerd.

2410
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Heard that name? Yeah forever.

2411
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: So Luke, we lost a few along the way. But

2412
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 1: that was the issue of the week. I hope you

2413
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 1: saw it.

2414
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 2: You have a little surprise for you. So over the

2415
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 2: week I had tweeted a video or not a video,

2416
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 2: a photo of you mouth breathing.

2417
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: Was this And like the rules of friendship and ethics

2418
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,919
Speaker 1: and morality, I'll take business ethics.

2419
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, if.

2420
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm mouth breathing on a plane, is it good? Is it?

2421
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, did it just embarrass me and put

2422
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 1: it right. You didn't even wait till we landed. No,

2423
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 1: I did you purchase the package?

2424
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 2: I did. It was ten bucks for Internet. The people

2425
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: who are saw me on the plane, who didn't know

2426
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 2: that I knew you taking a picture of you, they

2427
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 2: definitely seem creeped out by me, which actually made it

2428
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 2: even better.

2429
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,639
Speaker 1: And then when we landed and you stood up before

2430
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: we even actually stop.

2431
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 2: Guys, I mean I'm getting I mean, you know, if

2432
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 2: they could they make the seats smaller, I don't know.

2433
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 2: It seemed like they're trying. But in any case, I

2434
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 2: put up a photo of you, mouth breathing and looking

2435
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 2: like a weekend that Bernie is fucking stand in.

2436
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 1: You might not allowed to sleep on a flight. I mean,

2437
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: well it was because you.

2438
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 2: Had the glasses like this. They didn't match and you

2439
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 2: were going like this. So I said, hey, send me

2440
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 2: your photoshops of this fucking low level primary and let's

2441
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: see what he's got. Hey, this is a pretty good one.

2442
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: From The Rage coming My god, is that Joan of

2443
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 1: Arc or is that that guy the other it's.

2444
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 2: From the cover of The Rage? Oh yeah, yeah, there

2445
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 2: you go with self immolation? Really is what we go ahead,

2446
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 2: let's keep going. You know what, be seeing his natural habitat.

2447
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people got on me for having the

2448
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: h the neck pillow not in the next position.

2449
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Should you hold the next pillow more in your hands?

2450
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 1: Really work on planes? The next pillow is not comfortable

2451
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: at all.

2452
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: I disagree, but you know what, you can play some

2453
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 2: tunes thanks to Aaron bronstaid, this is great. You're kind

2454
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 2: of moaning into the microphone. Hey, could you get some

2455
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 2: more headphones from nineteen ninety seven?

2456
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: You can dude a sorrow. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

2457
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 1: fall asleep with with earbuds. They're going to fall off

2458
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and go roll under.

2459
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 2: The Here's BC's first apartment after college. True, there is

2460
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 2: you know, with wrack. What's his face? This is SPC

2461
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 2: in his natural habitat, Smoke coming out of his mouth

2462
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 2: with the hot dogs there there you go, very good

2463
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 2: in them water. Listen, this is what friends do. Take it.

2464
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

2465
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 2: You know this is also a strange one.

2466
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,799
Speaker 1: So they have workout gloves on. I'm holding the MK jerkins,

2467
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 1: have a pacifier in my mouth.

2468
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 2: Listen. It takes all kinds.

2469
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 1: You and my wife bought me mouth tape the other day,

2470
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 1: she's ditch tape. Yeah, because I snore so aggressively that

2471
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: that that she's now going to tape my lips.

2472
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 2: I won't necessarily fix it depending on what you have,

2473
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,639
Speaker 2: but we can see. Hey, this is just again college.

2474
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: Look at you before room Service Diaries the other day.

2475
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 2: I like, by the way, there's a syringe on the

2476
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 2: table as well.

2477
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that went almost as far as when Glover to

2478
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: SHAREFF sat down at Room Service Diaries set for their

2479
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: for inaugural episode and there was that rolled up fake

2480
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. I'm like, oh, this is a great

2481
01:49:59,120 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: message that were sending.

2482
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 2: Nice hair.

2483
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 1: Oh look, that's when I went emo during the flame.

2484
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that big bite.

2485
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: Imagine if my beard was actually that good and manly.

2486
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: Look at that.

2487
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 2: I kind of looked like they kind of aied you

2488
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 2: a little bit, smooth you out, but you definitely are

2489
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 2: an ugly piece of ship.

2490
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's not fair.

2491
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 2: All right, here we go the big bite hot dog

2492
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 2: Seltzer water carrying that big old thing. I can't believe

2493
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 2: that we could not with the big giant doobie. And

2494
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 2: you wrote on the wall there by the way, this

2495
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 2: lady looking like she's trying to avoid you.

2496
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,600
Speaker 1: Her fiance was next to her. Her fiance was in

2497
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 1: first class, and she offered to the lady originally sitting

2498
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: next to her to switch. The lady said yes, but

2499
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 1: you could tell she didn't want to do it, and

2500
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,759
Speaker 1: she didn't hear them mentioned first class, so she found out.

2501
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: The hard way. Someone asked me to go sit in

2502
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 2: the middle seat the whole time, and I was like, yeah, no,

2503
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. What do we got next? Your favorite

2504
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 2: through this fight? You know what? Wow, there's you on

2505
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: the sand.

2506
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: When are we going to review the new roadhouse?

2507
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 2: We have to do it. I haven't seen it. Have

2508
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:00,600
Speaker 2: you seen you?

2509
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: I haven't yet.

2510
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 2: Maybe next week, Yeah, maybe next week. But you were

2511
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 2: there on set. There's BC again in his natural habitat farms.

2512
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: Can we get a sponsorship for Creumlin Farms? Will you

2513
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:10,799
Speaker 1: tell me this is your regular we're's Matt Snyder?

2514
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 2: Are you know? Are there's you dying on a plane

2515
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 2: with all Schwarzenegger.

2516
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: He's I'm dead tired, As Arnold said in Commando, Yes, yes,

2517
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 1: that was Oh wow? Is that the second tower?

2518
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 2: That is that you were reading? My pet goat that day,

2519
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 2: there's Bernie. He was freezing, he was fucking freezing, and

2520
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 2: then once again sleeping through Polish power power. At least

2521
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 2: you were in business class for this flight. That's the

2522
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,560
Speaker 2: best part. I don't know what's going on outside, but

2523
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 2: it looks like some kind of joke.

2524
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: Hey, would any of your photos here get censored? Like

2525
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: my ship?

2526
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 2: Dude? They got a couple of good ones, this one

2527
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 2: on the local news there in Texas for reasons that

2528
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 2: remained unclear.

2529
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: And we had barbecue together.

2530
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: Remember that time you were you were cornering hums and

2531
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: you're just stood on top of the cage.

2532
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my at Zuck moment right there.

2533
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 2: That was great. And then this time that Paulo Costa

2534
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 2: woke you up to you to get your ass.

2535
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 1: And gear, give me some of that secret juice.

2536
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,559
Speaker 2: Right So World Series of Poker one of the most

2537
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 2: legendary runs you've ever had.

2538
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 1: Do you think if you inject the and then this lady,

2539
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 1: this was actually the best.

2540
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 2: There's not real it is one of the better ones.

2541
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 2: I have to Okay, Luke Thomas on the plane.

2542
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 1: It's not necessary right now.

2543
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 2: And that time you lay down on the PFL smart

2544
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 2: cage with your hot dog water.

2545
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 1: Remember that who's painted that?

2546
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a really good one. Also, hey,

2547
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,639
Speaker 2: talk about landing the plane like Sully Sublenburger. Oh yeah,

2548
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:39,719
Speaker 2: look at that you can do with your eyes closed.

2549
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 2: And then also when you're not dead at weekend.

2550
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 1: At burn, is that j Aaron standing up in the back.

2551
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 2: No, that's just some fucking loser. Also a little bit

2552
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 2: of a close talker if I could be honest. She

2553
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,560
Speaker 2: doesn't look too sised, you know what I mean. And

2554
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 2: that ladies jumping, Thank the dogs for that. Those are

2555
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 2: all dogs emissions.

2556
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 1: Well done. That was like fan submissions out of know

2557
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,759
Speaker 1: we're here. Yeah, so here's the here's the deal people,

2558
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: this is phase one of the MK relaunch. It did

2559
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: look and taste and smell and sound a little bit

2560
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: like the original MK. That was purposeful. But luke, we're

2561
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 1: gonna evolve week to week. We're gonna grow, Yes, and

2562
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: dare I say, if you stay tuned, we're gonna grow

2563
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: multiple days. We're gonna have children, not together.

2564
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 2: No, we're not gonna have children together, but we are

2565
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 2: gonna have children.

2566
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna We're gonna grow this thing.

2567
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 2: This is just this is just the beginning. We have

2568
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 2: a lot to do, we have a lot of time

2569
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 2: to do it, and we have a lot of ideas

2570
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 2: that we want to put into play. And we're thankful

2571
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 2: you're along for the ride. Big shouts to DraftKings Network

2572
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 2: for having us today and every day that we're gonna

2573
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 2: be on them and Meta Ark.

2574
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 1: This is a great story.

2575
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 2: All the smoke productions and everything else. What an opportunity.

2576
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 1: So here we are Morning Coombat Dot Store is our

2577
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: merch house. This fine bomber jacket. Hey how about Factory

2578
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,160
Speaker 1: town mm a gear right here, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

2579
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 1: head on over there. Tell r J that we sent you.

2580
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll give you a ten percent off. You never know,

2581
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: You just never know. Luke, maybe this is better question

2582
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: for Pacer Allen. But if I decided to finally inject

2583
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 1: myself with the secret juice, what if I since I've

2584
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: survived the three needles, right, I did survive it?

2585
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 2: About it?

2586
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 1: But if I injected in the in the piece, would

2587
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 1: that like I want to If I'm gonna fight, I

2588
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,719
Speaker 1: want to fight with balls. So maybe I'll just you know, dude.

2589
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 2: If you inject yourself with something, it shuts down your balls.

2590
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:26,680
Speaker 2: You understand that, right, I'll have.

2591
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: To shoot in there. Whatever McGregor's on that should should

2592
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 1: wake me up, right right, something like that. Yeah, all right,

2593
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: fun time in Vegas though. Shout out to the peeps

2594
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 1: that we ran into, Shout out to the the MK world,

2595
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Shout out to our new friends from metal Lock behind

2596
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: the Glass. I can't wait to learn all of their

2597
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 1: names and actually remember them.

2598
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 2: I look forward to not knowing them.

2599
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Long Island, Luke on the ones and twos Luke, No, no,

2600
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 1: saya there.

2601
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 2: That guy is great. You know.

2602
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here until you take his home.

2603
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 2: You know you're done.

2604
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: Think I'm done. There was a good effort.

2605
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good job, good effort. As they say to

2606
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 2: Lebron when he goes to the locker room. Have you

2607
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 2: ever seen that one? A little kid?

2608
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes I have.

2609
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 2: All right, Hey that's BC. I'm lt. This has been MK.

2610
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 2: We thank you guys so much for watching, and until

2611
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 2: next time, all of your gains be loyal.