1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: If you're about to make a change in your life 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: and you feel uncomfortable, that's the best feeling you can 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: have because for the first time in your life, you'll 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: make a new decision that's going to be best for 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: you and not what somebody told you to do. And 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: that's when all bets are off. Welcome to Money Making 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host, Rushan McDonald. Our theme is 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: there's no perfect time to start following your dreams. I 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: recognize that we all have different definitions of success. For 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: you and maybe decide to your HM, it's time to 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories to start living your own. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: Keep winning. My next guest, big fan of this young 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: man is the weather man slash co anchor on NBC's 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Today's Show and co host of the third Hour of Today. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: His owner and CEO of his production company, Al Roker 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Entertainment Incorporating. He is on the show to discuss this book, 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: You Look So Much Better in Person. That's a great title. 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: His journey is about his journey, but teach us how 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: we can weather the storm of life no matter how 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: have it is downpour and shares antidotes from his own 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: treasure trove of memories and being in the spotlight. Please 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: welcome the money making conversation. I'm gonna call him my 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: friend al. 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Roca Hi Rashon, How are you pretty good? 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: My friend? Uh, this is a book about it. First 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: of all, before I even get started after reading this book, 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: especially the end of chapter three, well you announced that 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: you were You are a weather man, a parade host, 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: a production guy, master ceremonies, and occasional author. Your book 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: could easily have been titled more than a weather man 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: or weather person. 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it could have been. But you know, 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: one of the things I've learned, one of the best 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: bits of advice I was given was by Willard Scott, 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: who was my mentor, who is the man who helped 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: me develop who I am. Said, you know, he goes listen. 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: Two things it was, and this was at a dinner 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: we were having. He said, always be yourself right at 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: the end of the day. They can take anything away 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: from you, but they can't take you away from you. 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: And the other thing he said was never give up 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: your day job. You know, no matter he said, because 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: back then when we were having dinner, he was the 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: the number one news personality in Washington. 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: D C. 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: And you know, and while he was doing that, he 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: still had all these side hustles. Obviously we didn't call 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: up side hustles, right, but he always said, you know, 49 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, everybody knows me for this, 50 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: and that's where all of this comes from. And so 51 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: you know, I try to do all these different things 52 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: and take advantage of all these different opportunities. But the 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: reason those opportunities come up is because I'm on the 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: Today Show. 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, when I was reading the book, you know, 56 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, you travel from Syracuse, did you go down 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: to se then you go down to Cleveland, then you 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: come back to New York City. It's a journey, but 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: it's a journey about I've never given up and working hard. 60 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: That's that seems to be the message that you're trying 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: to tell. When oppositortunity to present itself, go forward, but 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: when you go forward, give one hundred percent. That seems 63 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: to be the tone of the book. Correct. 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. My dad told me. I talk 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: about this in my book, and absolutely my dad and 66 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: he is, you know, we lost him back in two 67 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: thousand and one, and I still, you know, I miss 68 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: him every day. But one of the things that he 69 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: told me in high school was, you know, he said, listen, 70 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: you are going to have to work twice as hard 71 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: and be twice as good to get half as far 72 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: as the white kid next to you. 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's true. 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: And I said, and I said to you, I said, but 75 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: that that's not fair. That's not called fairness. It's called life, right, 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: he said, And if that's that's what you're going to do. 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: And I remember coming home one day with a report 78 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: card that was less than stellar, and I thought, he 79 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: is going to just explode. And I got out a 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: home and he came home. He's, you know, working as 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: a bus driver. Came home and my mother showed him 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: a report guard and he looked at me and he said, 83 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: if you can tell me this is the best you 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: can do, then I will accept it. But if this 85 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: is not, I am really disappointed at you. I got 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: up and left the table and I was like, damn. 87 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: And I brought those grades up. 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know when you say that about because being 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: an African American, I'm fifty and we talk about, you know, 90 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: the times that we are now, We're now COVID nineteen 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: where the civil unrests, and I look at your career 92 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: and I'd like to believe that you are a trail blazer. 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: I believe that you was a trailblazer in Syracuse, you 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: are a trail blazer in d C, trailblazer in Cleveland, 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: and even a trailblazers to day. And do I'm just 96 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: asking this question out, do you realize the significance of 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: who you are as an African American for somebody or 98 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: my children to see you on TV? 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know that that's very I don't even know 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: what to say to that. In that Uh, you know, 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: I think I think our goal I think as a 102 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: people are just to do your job and do it 103 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: to the best of your ability, so that you know, 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: that's what people see and not just that you know, 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: the whether it's an Al Roker on TV or listening 106 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: to a Rashawn on the podcast. You know, but when 107 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: you see people in their line of work who do 108 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: their line of work to the best of possibilities, then 109 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: that becomes those people become role models. I was just 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: talking with somebody, you know, growing up in New York City, 111 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: you know, when I was a kid, you know, seeing 112 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: a Bill McCrary or a J. J. Johnston or a 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: Gil Noble or Melvi Tolliver, Bactigue, you know all these folks, 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: you know. And to be honest, I never wanted to 115 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: be on TV, but I remember what a big deal 116 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: it was to see us on TV. 117 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's what I'm saying is that it's a 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: big deal. You know, this story, your story starts in 119 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: sixty eight when you were in college, you know, and 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: got this job, weekend weather band job, and you know, 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: and you went in there and and you you you 122 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: basically just I'm gonna call him till he tell me 123 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: to stop calling. 124 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: And you know, the funny thing is, once I got 125 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: the job, it was funny because I was going to 126 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: be the first here. There have been people there were 127 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: we had black reporters and some black cameras. 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to say. I don't want 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: you to shy away and not say shy away, but I'm. 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: Not shying away. But you know, I guess here's the thing. Yes, sir, 131 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: I've tried to raise my kids that listen, Dad's on TV. Right, 132 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: But you know what, Dad's job is not any more 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: important than bus driver, which my dad was truck driver, firefighter, 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: any of those folks, you know, as long as they 135 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: are doing, because you know, once I'm off TV, I'm 136 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: still me, but I'm not you know, I'm not Al 137 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: Roker on TV. I'm just Al Roker. So you know, 138 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: don't think that we're important that much more important just 139 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: because of what I do. And you should be important 140 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: for who you are, not what you are. 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Ohthough, absolutely I'm not shying away from what I say. 142 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying that you are. I'm 143 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: just saying this is what I've had to kind of 144 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: impart upon my kids, because absolutely, you know, they've seen 145 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: me fighting to rache Al Roker wearing a suit, holding 146 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: a briefcase with them trying to flag a cab. 147 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: And mid down Manhattan and nobody and that cab. 148 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: Passes you buy for a white guy or a white 149 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: woman half a blockdown who isn't dressed nearly as well 150 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: as you are, you know, and and so you know, 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I am so grateful that I did one 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: of the last, if not the last, interview with John Lewis, 153 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: and he talked about how hard you know, just when 154 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: you think maybe there's no hope or you're feeling a 155 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: little down about stuff, and he sat seeing these people, 156 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: seeing this diverse group is. 157 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: Rainbow is amazing. Isn't it amazing? 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: Young people demonstrating that has said enough's enough. 159 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: And that's what you stand the truth. You're speaking the 160 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: truth because you know this weekend, because they told me 161 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: I was going to be interviewing you this Monday, and 162 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: you brought up John Lewis because I was going to 163 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: bring um up in his interview. And I'm not trying 164 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: to make you uncomfortable when I talk to you about 165 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: who you are and what you mean to African Americans. 166 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Is that when you know as much as I knew 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: about John Lewis, when I see him walk down that 168 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: bridge in Selma twenty five years old, that was for 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,359 Speaker 1: the first time I saw him. You know, I saw him. 170 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: And you are a pioneer, and you've written a great 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: book and all these great stories you tell are told 172 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: are checkpoints of history to me. To me, because I 173 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: know that I'm in an entertainment business. I know the 174 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: difficulty of what you have to do in entertainment to 175 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: be successful period, and it may be the most difficult 176 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: feel that you can get in it to try to 177 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: be a person of color and try to be successful 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: in entertainment and you've achieved it. And I say that 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: because of the fact that in Syracuse, DC, Cleveland, New York, 180 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: you have to be a person of authority and accepted 181 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: that the information coming out of your mouth is real 182 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: and accurate. And you've achieved that for over forty years. 183 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: That's an incredible talent. And I just wanted to congratulate 184 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: you on that. And that was important for me to 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: let you know how I feel from a person, my daughter, 186 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: by my family, that you have been important to the 187 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: African American community, my friend, and well, thank you and 188 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: that that that that you know, it resonates in this 189 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: book more when I read it, because it's you know, 190 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: you you you couch it very well with humor, but 191 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: also the reality is that you have to be you 192 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: have to be quick on your feet, you have to 193 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: be smart, and you have to be willing to work 194 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: hard and when the opposite opportunity to present yourself, you 195 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: cannot shy away from it. That's what you that's the tale. 196 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: Of your book, right And you know it's funny because 197 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: uh uh, you know, I left, I got a job 198 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: in Syracuse and then I got a job into Washington. 199 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: I moved to Cleveland, which was, you know, fairly at 200 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: the time, the late seventies was a fairly racially polarized city. 201 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: Yes it was. 202 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: And uh again, I was the first black weather man there, 203 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: thank you. And I always interesting. I had a we 204 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: had an anchor guy. He was married to his coach 205 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: and a dog. And yeah, Doug it there and you know, 206 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: nice man. I you know, if you had asked me, 207 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: is Doug racist, I'd say no. But Doug, you know, 208 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: could say some things. And one night or after our newscast, 209 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: we were in downtown Cleveland, not a great time to 210 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: be out after eleven o'clock. An older African American gentleman 211 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: who's homeless everybody knew, came up behind Doug with a 212 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: rolled up newspaper and kind of bopped him on the 213 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: back of the head and ran off. And that was it. Well, 214 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: the next day, Doug's telling everybody how he was assaulted 215 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: and attacked, and we all kind of like, yeah, we 216 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: wish we had been the one who had done it, 217 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: but anyway, I love it. Anyway, his wife, his co host, Moona, 218 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: is about to introduce me. We're live on TV, and 219 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: now here's mona before you introduce Now, Al, I have 220 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: to tell you. I don't know if you'd heard, but 221 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: last night, after our eleven o'clock news, one of your 222 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: people attacked me. Now you know, it's one of those moments, Sean, 223 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: where time stands still. You're trying to figure out how 224 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: are how am I going to react to this as 225 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: an outrage and I've fo TV, well only TV. I 226 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: looked at and I said, Doug, why in the world 227 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: would the weather would a weather man attack you? And 228 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: then just moved moved on. Well, well, people were outraged 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: for me. They called you know I mean, and they 230 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: had to suspend him. And then he came back to 231 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: as a reporter, demoted kind of a field anchor as 232 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: they called it. And then like six seven months later 233 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: he resigned and he and his wife left, went down 234 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: to Columbus, Ohio, and you know, mad another good ten 235 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: years down there. But you know it's you know, you 236 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: you've got to pick your look. There's so there, there's 237 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: so much that we can be outraged about, right that 238 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: we have to pick our points. Uh, you know, me 239 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: being called out by an anchorman, you know, for some 240 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: goofy thing. Maybe not so much, but but you can 241 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: have the same You're gonna have the same impact. 242 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 243 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 244 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass 245 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: continues online at Moneymakingconversations dot com and follow money Making 246 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 247 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: You know I was thank you for the comment down. Yeah, 248 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to a Roca his fantastic book. 249 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: You look so much better in person. True Stories of 250 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: Absurdity and Success. I'm a guy. I get up at 251 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: four o'clock every day. You are a three forty five 252 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: am guy. You beat me by fifteen minutes. My friend, 253 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: so ill I get you. I got a bout out 254 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: to you for that fifteen minutes. And the reason I 255 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: bring that up because a lot of my friends and 256 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: co workers and people that called me for motivation and advice. 257 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: He said, richean, why do you GetUp at four o'clock? 258 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: Do you have to be anywhere a four o'clock I said, no, no, 259 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: I said, but it's a difference when I get up 260 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: at four, and a difference when I get up at 261 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: six is how I prepare for the day, and it's 262 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: not so much, And it's how you allow your body 263 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: and your mind to go through. I get up air, 264 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: I go downstairs. I stretch and watching the news to 265 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: about four thirty, I find about the weather. Then about 266 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: five o'clock I'm in my life, you know, on my 267 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: own pace, and so teller to walk through the steps. 268 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Why that time, besides having to be the work at 269 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: a certain time every morning Monday through Friday, that three 270 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: forty five is important to you, and we shouldn't and 271 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: people should adhere to having a set time that they 272 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: get up on a daily basis to be successful. 273 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. I find that I am most 274 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: productive in that hour because I don't really need to 275 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: get up till four forty five or five o'clock or 276 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: even five fifteen, much like yourself. But there's no there 277 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: are no phone calls to be made, there are no 278 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: emails to answer, there are no kids projects that you've 279 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: got to work on. You don't have to. Don't tell her, 280 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: I said, the answer to your wife. All you have 281 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: to do is get up and do what you what 282 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: you want to do. I don't like rushing, much like yourself. 283 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: I do not like rushing to get ready for work. 284 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: I would rather had to be frankly to be frank 285 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: That's when I wrote most of his book during that hour. Either. 286 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: And you know, we find we tend to waste a 287 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: lot of time we do. You know, if you could 288 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: add up the time you're kind of mindlessly scrolling the internet, 289 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: you know, on the you know, looking at Twitter or Instagram, 290 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: and the time you just looking at things to buy 291 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: or whatever, you probably could find another ninety minutes in 292 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: your debt. 293 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Yes you're good, Yes you're good. And I tell people 294 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: that I said, there are twenty four hours in the day, 295 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: learning to take advantage of each hour. And that's what 296 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: you're saying right now when you say, look, I got 297 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: up a three forty five and Sean, it's my time. Yep. 298 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: So that's I tell people. That's I wrote that in 299 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: the book. They said, you know, get up at least 300 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: an hour before you have because you will. You will 301 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: be surprised and I think kind of amazed at how 302 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: productive that hour will be for you. 303 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: That was a great that was a great point of 304 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: knowledge in your book. Another great point of knowledge I 305 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: wanted to bring out was the power of relationships. And 306 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: two people that stood at this book. And I always tell 307 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: I always tell about people about my life, is that 308 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: people I didn't see the vision in me sometimes and 309 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: some people saw it and they pushed me in the 310 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: direction of a nudge me or sometimes say why are 311 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: you still standing here looking at me? Get out? And 312 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Chris and Cleveland and you mentioned his name earlier, will 313 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Scott in the in the DC talk about the significant 314 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: role they played as far as the power relationships in 315 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: your life to the career you have today. 316 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, Willard 317 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: gave me all that advice and just nurtured you knowing, 318 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: uh you know, really got me ready for this. In 319 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: a sense, he was I and I say this with 320 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: no shame. I consider him like a second dad. He 321 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: In fact, if my dad was still alive today, they 322 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: would be the same age, uh, you know. And and 323 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: he just you know, he was generous to a fault. 324 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: He still is. But you know the idea when I 325 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: was I was working at WNBC in New York and 326 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: filling in for him, and he came to me and 327 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: he said, listen, it's it's my time. I'm going to 328 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: step back a little bit. But they should be thinking 329 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: about putting you in there, and that's who I'm telling them. 330 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: But if they come to you, just know that this 331 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: is my choice. Uh now, they're they're very few people 332 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: in this business who would do that. And the person 333 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: who set me up to be in that position was 334 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: this woman, my news director, Chris Ostrowski in Cleveland. She 335 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: in Cleveland. She was the one who told me about 336 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: the weekend weather job in New York. She said, look, 337 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: they're looking for a weekend weather person. You're from New York. 338 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: You don't need to be here anymore. I call the 339 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: news director. Have your agent called the news director, tell 340 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: him I know that you're calling, and you need to 341 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: get down there an audition for that job. And I auditioned. 342 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: My agent called, they said they loved it. They want 343 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: you to start. And my station in Cleveland was about 344 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: to we had moved from third place to second and 345 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: we were knocking on the door for the first place 346 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 2: and the new and the general manager said, here's what 347 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: we'll do. If you agree to stay for another two years, 348 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: we will raise your salary. You'll be the second highest 349 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: paid anchor person in Cleveland. We will guarantee the end 350 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: of those two years, you will move to New York 351 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: as the weekend weather man at the same salary that 352 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: you're making now, which would have been far more than 353 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: I would have been making in New York if I 354 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: had taken the job. And I thought, you know what, 355 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: why not. I love Cleveland, I enjoy it, so I'm 356 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna stay. And I went in to tell 357 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: my news director and she said, well, as your news director, 358 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: I think this is great news, it's fantastic. As your friend, 359 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: I think you're making a huge mistake. You need to 360 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: get out of here now. Now. Who does that? You know? 361 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying that who did that was 362 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: something somebody who saw something in you that you want 363 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: ready to accept. I know I say that because it's 364 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: happened to me, and I say that to people all 365 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: the time. Is that you value relationships. You and she's 366 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: your mentor as well, And I'd like to believe will 367 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: it is your mentor. And people see stuff and they 368 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: tell you, don't relax because your gifts were greater than 369 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: what we're being offered in Cleveland. Go to New York 370 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: young man, go there and challenge yourself. And that move 371 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: is the move of while we see you today owned 372 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: the Today Show yep. And then now, you know we 373 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: talked about earlier about you know, all these different jobs. 374 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: Now they call it multiple streams of income. You know, 375 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: back in the day they should say we were Jamaicans 376 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: when we had those many jobs. But now now it's 377 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: called multiple streams of You're right, right, right, right right now, 378 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: not as properly used, a multiple stream. Gotta have multiple 379 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: streams of income if you want to make it in 380 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: the world today. Now, one of those multiple streams of 381 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: income is the Al Roker Entertainment Incorporated production company. Tell 382 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: us like that? And why was it important that you 383 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: start and produce things out of that production company? What's 384 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: your name? 385 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: Now? Well, you know I always wanted I said, I 386 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: didn't want to be on TV. I wanted to be 387 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: in TV. I wanted to work in television. And I've 388 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: always wanted to produce. And in nineteen ninety four I 389 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: did a couple of specials for the Food Network just 390 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: as a host, and I saw and they wanted me 391 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: to do some more, and I why can't I produce 392 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: these so I asked the general manager at the time 393 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: who used to work with me at w NBC, and 394 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: she said sure, and I really enjoyed it, and so 395 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: kept producing shows, did some for the Weather Channel and 396 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: Lifetime and some other places. We're about to announce an 397 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: animated series for a network. I can't mention right now. 398 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: We're doing stuff with a We just have a very 399 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: varied group of projects. One that looks at veterans coming 400 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: back with brain injuries with a group called Life Aid. 401 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: It's called Life Aid, A Story of Hope. It's going 402 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: to air the end of August on Discovery American Heroes 403 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: and the Science Channel. And you know, it was it's 404 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: important to me to be able to have a voice, 405 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: to be able to you know, have a say in 406 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: what we do and how we do it. 407 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: Now, what is the difference? 408 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: Then? You know? 409 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Aaron Roca has great book. You should 410 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: buy it right now, called You look so much better 411 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: in person? Uh when? When? When you're because these words? 412 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: You are a star. You're a media star, You're a 413 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: television start. You're in a very popular uh morning news 414 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: broadcasts and we you know, weather expert or authority. When 415 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: people walk by they ask you the whether jokingly or seriously, 416 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: that's who you are Now you're a producer, a different hat. 417 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: Does it? Does it? What is the difference of the 418 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: two other than the fact that you are a media 419 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: star as a talent, now you're become an immediate star 420 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: as a producer. What's the difference? 421 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: Oh, you know, in a sense, they're they're very much 422 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: the same, and that you want to you, you know, 423 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: what do you want people to come away with? Do 424 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: you do you do you want them to feel like 425 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 2: they've wasted their time or do you want them to 426 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: feel like they've had some value added by watching you 427 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: or by watching something you've produced? You know, I like 428 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: to say that there's no although my kids are older now, 429 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: but there's no show that I've produced that I wouldn't 430 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: be proud to have my kids watch or my parents watch. 431 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: And it looked we could be a far bigger production company, 432 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: but by doing certain kinds of programs, I just don't 433 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: want to do this. 434 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: And before we wrap up, I wanted to bring this 435 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: comment up and I want you to respond to it. 436 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: It's about hard work, and sometimes when you work hard, 437 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: you might not get paid extra, up might not feel 438 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: appreciated when you're working that hard, and I feel there 439 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: was a major move to the success that you are today, 440 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: because that's what the book lays out to me. Each 441 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: chapter tells a story about Okay, this is what I 442 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: had to do. Now. Was I happy doing it? No? 443 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: But I had to do it and it led to this. 444 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: And one of those example was when you work. When 445 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: doctor Frank Feels before he was moved over to CBS 446 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: and thought there was going to be a green of pastors, 447 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: you worked hard for eight street, eight straight weeks with 448 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: only two days off. You know, that could have been 449 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: a breaking point. You could have said enough is enough, Hey, 450 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: I want more money, This is not right. You could complaint, 451 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: but why didn't you? 452 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal for two things. And it may 453 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: sound corny, but I love what I do. I mean 454 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 2: to be in this industry. You know, people say, oh, 455 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: you work so hard. I said, you know what. My 456 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: dad drove a bus for eight hours a day, worked 457 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: a lot of overtime. Sometimes we wouldn't see him for 458 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: a couple of days. That's really hard work. This is work. 459 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: But I love what I'm doing. It's not a job, 460 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: it's my passion. So if in the long term. This 461 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 2: is going to bring me something. I don't know if 462 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: it is or not, but all I know is that 463 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: if I give somebody else the opportunity to do it, 464 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: then I don't get that opportunity. So I will put 465 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: in the hours, I will bust my butt to do 466 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: it because I want. I want whatever is going to 467 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: come after it, not somebody else. 468 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: Well, what came out of it? In NBC? You got 469 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: rolled into the studio and a chocolate cake and you've 470 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: been there every since. Just before we just tell us 471 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: how did the chocolate cake scenario come out? And the 472 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: fact you got rolled into the studio in a chocolate 473 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: cake out? Well, you know it was. It was one 474 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: of the funny moments in the book, by the way out. 475 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Tell me listen, you do what you 476 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: gotta do. Somebody suggested it and I thought, why not. 477 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: You know, what's the worst that can happen? Luckily I'm 478 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: not allergic to chocolate. 479 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: Right. Well, my friend, I want to thank you for 480 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: coming on my show. I have a newsletter goes out 481 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: to thousand people, ninety four thousand people every Wednesday. I 482 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: want to drop your book in there or a million 483 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: social media follows of female Please tell them to send 484 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: me some banners and links so I can drop it 485 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 1: into my social media post. My friend, I admire you. 486 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for allowing us to have an honest conversation. 487 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: Every time you tell me every time I watch that TV. 488 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: You're a blessing, my friend. Don't change and keeping raising 489 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: that great family and lead leaving up leading us all, 490 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: my friend in a positive direction. Thank you, I roka, 491 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: thank you. Take care alrighty. 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