WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Esperanza Spalding 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.000 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.320 This is Sugar Steve from Questlove Supreme. It's April, which 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.360 is Jazz appreciation months, so we are running some selections 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.680 from the QLs archives from artists who make some jazz music. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.880 This is a pre Pandemic twenty twenty conversation with Esperando Spaldi, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.200 who has become one of the. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.160 New stars of jazz. In this interview, Esperanza. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.959 Talks about the real Portland, Oregon, learning how to play 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.080 jazz at a high level, and the neurological benefits of 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.080 certain rhythms. This is a deep and cosmic hour long chat. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.279 Enjoy yo yo yo yo yo yo ya. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.239 You're good at spontaneity, making it up. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:47.560 Supremo, Sir, Suprema. Roll call, Suprema su su Supremo. Roll 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:54.880 call Supremo s Supremo. Role call, Suprema s Supremo. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.880 Roll a Prodigy. Yeah, win to Berkeley. Yeah me Jack JB. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:02.440 I'm talking to. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.920 Supremo, Suprema. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.800 Roll called, Suprema son something Supremo. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.800 Roll call. My name is Sugar. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.559 Yeah, I have a question about jazz. Yeah for double bass, Yeah, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.960 you need double hands. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:27.520 Supreme Supremo, roll cal Suprema Supremo roll. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.840 I'm unpaid, Bill don't give no fucks. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:38.800 Yeah, by his book, Yeah, mixtape looks Suprema Supremo. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:44.160 Roll call Suprema, So Supremo roll. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.800 What's your name now? 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:45.319 Yeah? 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.960 For a spell in your body? Yeah, I can make 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.840 it for you quick yeah, or. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:02:04.760 Supremo Supremo Roll Suprema Supremo. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.600 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a weird episode of Court 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.280 Love Supreme. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.720 It is raining outside the bomb cyclone. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.520 All I can say was that Laia, Bill and I 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.520 left from the same destination, but I decided to violate 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.680 some traffic laws to get here in time because our 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.079 guest today has to be out with the quickness. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.240 So Steve insisted that we do the theme without Bill 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.240 and Laia. Yeah yeah, he insisted. Why because they got 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.000 to learn right, that's absolutely cruel, or they can overdub 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.280 it later. No, we never. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.520 We never overdubbed the theme anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, this 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.919 is Couest Love Supreme. So we're joined by the exquisite, 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.720 the remarkable, the ever expansive, the gift that you already 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.440 introduced me. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:55.640 Yeah, my fault. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.480 We already said Sugar Steve, the original, the inspiring, one 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.040 of the cool, prolific creatives and music today, and most importantly, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.639 she's a native of one of my all time favorite 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.080 cities on Earth, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, please 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.359 give it up for. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.080 So are you doing. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.320 After all that? I'm good settling? Settling? 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:25.200 You're settling? 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.000 Yeah, And I reflect back for you to you everything 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.440 you just said about me. Yeah, I'm grateful. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:36.840 I'm bad with I'm learning to accept implements at a 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.520 new place in my life. I read the Gene Keys book. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.080 I'm learning to accept. For years you've been telling you 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.520 to accept. It's hard to accept compliments. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.480 I agree. Are you good or bad with compliments? 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.160 I just let them roll and often bounce them back 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.080 to be real. Alsolet figure you can't perceive it if 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:52.840 you don't hold it. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.440 You know, I want you to hold the compliments. Yes, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:56.280 hear all those things? 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:57.920 Okay, I take that. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:59.440 Can I sit closer to you? 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:00.400 You sound prett great? 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.040 Based on his. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.320 Introduction, what's sitting closer going to do? 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:05.760 I don't know, yeah exactly. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.120 HR like some em and off. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.440 Normally like I know my guests like the back of 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.560 my hand when they come to the show. But I 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.800 can't help but notice that in your bio and your 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.560 wiki bio, they had a factoid in there that kind 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:31.440 of took me back, which for me, like the idea 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:36.200 of Portland organ and the words gang activity never seemed 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:36.560 to mix. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.720 That's because it's the Portland of now you're trying to 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.640 translate it. Also if you come from like New York 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.240 or Baltimore or LA I think gang activity in Portland 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.240 is like a little paper cup that you get by 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.600 the cooler at the office, you know, su Price, Yeah, 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:52.000 But I. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.320 Mean the way that we're trying to paint it was like, 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.000 you know, music was your salvation. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.159 There was gang activity in the neighborhood, and so am 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.760 I to believed that there's no differference between Portland, Oregon and. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.880 No, there's Portland is just like Compton. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.760 I mean, if you're growing up and sleeping in the 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.120 bathtub because there are guns outside and you've never been 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.800 to another city, it feels it feels imminent, it feels dangerous, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.080 it feels scary. And that was the reality for a 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.960 few years growing up and in the Northeast while I 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.359 was raised. But you know, comparatively to some other cities. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.400 I think we had it mild, but people were filing. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:24.520 They were wiling. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:25.960 Okay, but that's the thing. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.719 The fact that you had it it all shocks me 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:33.040 because people are genuinely jaw dropped when I tell them 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.960 that Portland organ is hands down my favorite city on Earth. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.440 Why is it your favorite city? 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.480 More than half my record collection comes from there, So no, no, no, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:43.520 I'm just saying, like. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.960 We do love music. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.479 Well, the thing is, your record dealers really don't know 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.799 the value of certain things. So Portland is the place 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.159 that like Japanese record dealers fly to well to come 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.960 and buy records and then they sell them back to me. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.440 I'm in a thousand bucks, I do that's do advintage 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:08.719 clothing just for the record as well. No, no, yeah, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.320 it's a trip. It's like everybody just figured it out. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.440 But that reality that you're talking about was like our 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.560 secret because we were provincial. I mean, it's still kind 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.040 of you always knew about Ireland, like didn't know that 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.760 the world was really looking at Portland like that, you know, to. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.200 Like beat makers and whatnot. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.159 I would lead them to Austin, which is my second 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.040 favorite city. But I sent them down south, far away 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.280 from my dodain of Portland, Oregon. 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.200 So what was your childhood like? Did you grow up 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.599 in a musical family or No. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.880 I grew up with a single working mother and a 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.560 big brother, and I grew up just in a funky neighborhood. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:46.919 It was. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.040 I didn't know that it was grimy, because that's all 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.080 that I had, But I know that we weren't allowed 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.000 to go outside because it felt dangerous, you know, after 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.640 the street lights came on, we had to stay in. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.080 And I remember, I just remember wanted to always be 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.440 at the piano and always wanted to compose. And when 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.080 my mother took the dogs for a walk, I would 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.520 make her sing harmony with me. That's what I remember 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:13.720 my childhood. Kinds of freaking harmony. Yes, yes, nothing I 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.120 could hear. What age is that? 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.200 Because I know you're a phenom in that way with 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:18.720 bus Yeah, I mean. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.800 It's I don't know if I'm a phenom. I've worked 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.880 a lot at stuff when I was a kid. But yeah, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:30.120 very musical, I mean it, honestly, I don't remember they sang. Yeah. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.800 She's from a generation where everybody could play piano, could 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.960 play piano and read piano music, you know, so for me, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.080 it was just like anything that I heard on the 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.320 radio or on television and end credits I would go 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.360 find at the piano and that was the beginning of 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.440 my compositional journey. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.480 Can you remember the first record that you purchased? 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.160 Oh, it was M. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.040 You're Born in eighty four? 0:07:54.160 --> 0:08:00.880 Don't You Give Me No Tell a Little Bit of Love? 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.960 It was probably Sorry to Let You Down. It was 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:10.200 probably Roomski Cours That's what it was though, and maybe 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.520 some Chibo Matto. I was really into Chibo Matto when 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.520 I was a kids. I probably bought an early Chipo 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.600 Mato record too. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:19.680 Well. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.440 I went to like a freaky arts high school, so 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:22.800 you know, we were in talls. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.720 You know, wait, how old were you when you brought 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.440 your first record? 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.520 M Maybe twelve? That was how I could afford music 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.520 because they would be in the bins for fifty cents, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.199 you know. So you go, you see the cool cover, 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.400 then you get to try it out and see if 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:34.800 you want it. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.880 You know, ninety four ninety five, this when you. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.719 Brought ninety six? Yeah something, thats okay? Yeah, what with 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:42.600 your first record? 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:48.240 My first record is just actually nerdy. I did the 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:53.000 one thing please station. No, it's the worst, but I 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.920 have no shame in my game. You know, like when 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.760 especially seventies kids one, my parents didn't believe in babysitters. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.040 Qualified Okay, I love it you No, it's not I'm 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.400 not doing the preference saying that my parents didn't babysitters. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.880 I wasn't allowed to talk to strangers, and. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.600 You know, I had I had an afro that rival 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.960 with yours as a five year old. So of course, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.800 you know, like the whole primitive, exotic way old white 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.720 women come up and buy me stuff. I wasn't allowed 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.040 to ask for strangers for anything. And this woman comes 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.480 up to me. Your name is Ellie, and she's like something, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.680 I say, records, so and then she got a napkin 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.360 and finn and she took my order down. And then 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.720 the next night came back with the Fisher Price record 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.080 player what and she gave me my first three records, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.880 which was which. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.040 Have questions about that, right, like, just how that paints 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.880 your expectation on the world. Do you just expect to 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.360 ask some white ladies show up? But that's kind of 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.600 beaut I love that. I love that. I love that 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.960 in right, should be this White Lady? 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.000 Did you talk like that? White Lady? 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.240 Particularly child no contractions, just like I cannot do that? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.360 White Lady was the record she purchased me. I have 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.720 a shame. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:25.080 I don't know why I liked's Bad Blood. I don't 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.880 bad Blood? Uh one of these nice by the Eagles 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:39.840 song that subsequently scared me, the uh Rufus and Shaka 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:48.040 Khans dance with Me. I think I got Looking through 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.199 the Windows by the Jackson five and. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.040 It's all this, all this all explains quite a bit, actually, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.800 And my fifth record was the Fifth Dimension version of 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.120 Love Hangover, which was out way before Diana Ross's version. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.440 What was the first one you physically bought? Not a 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.360 white lady bought for you. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.040 I got a good report card in the third grade, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.520 so I my uncle gave me five For five bucks, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:33.280 you could buy the Jackson's Destiny Ah track. She could 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:38.199 buy and Switches It Switches. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:39.520 Oh you're right there with me. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:50.079 Motherfuckers and Switches Switches debut album. Yeah, you could buy 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.040 a tracks for like to nineteen two thousand. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.880 Do you know what an a track is? I have 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.680 the Mad Hatter on a track for no reason, just 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:00.880 just to around it's okay. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.920 Yeah, I mean, Esperanja is an old soul. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:11.079 She is anyway, I have memories that predate my birth. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:20.040 I do. I'm holding them, Esperanza. Hi, I'm here. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.280 How old were you this show? 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:24.439 All right? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.840 So how did you actually discover instruments? And what is 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.720 your instrument of choice? Because you do everything, You sing well, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.960 you play bass well, you do piano, what like, what 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:36.960 is your I'm. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.120 Starting to think that the instrument is my life, you know, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.000 those are the details. Yeah, no, I mean it's true. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.360 I've been thinking a lot about just the potency of 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.560 word and sound anywhere that we are, and trying to 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.120 hold my existence, like my interfacing with people as the 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.400 instrumental exchange, because i know the power that sound has, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.760 and I've been so focused on this, like I got shit. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.240 I put the hours and like be able to do 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.000 the things, and recently I'm like, damn, but there's already 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.920 people who can do that. You know, there's already that 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.400 masterful bass player that's already taken it to the limit. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.560 There's that massive vocalist who's taken it all the way. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.720 Now I'm thinking about, like, what is the practice to 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.520 make every sound that I make and interaction that I 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.119 make like a beautiful performance in conversation. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.000 This actually reminds me of something I read and might 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.040 take Garci's book, Prince's ex Wife. She said that he 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.079 told her that to live every day like a work 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.240 of art. And that's what that sounds like. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.800 I am really a fan of that. Yeah, as a practice. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.480 Practice is sounds so free. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.000 I don't even comprehend right now. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:41.680 Well, also this and I like to think I'm an 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:42.520 okay musician. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.880 You well, you're probably doing that. I'm just coming to 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.320 the consciousness of it. I think a lot of this. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.760 Wayne short a quote when he talks about the premise 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.440 of this philosophy, this Buddhism Lily practices, and he said, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.400 you know, with it, you get to create value out 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.959 of everything that's happening. And I think that's very much 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.400 what we do as improvisers when we're in a musical space, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.000 like whatever the raw ingredients are in the studio with 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.280 the song sketch, you activate the creative powers to turn 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.640 that into a thing. So he talks about applying that 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.760 to everyday life, and he says, because if you're not 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.000 practicing that, what's practicing you? 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:19.840 And that's of course, but that's. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.840 That's what we've been practicing as artists, right, We've been 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.760 practicing this creative capacity to take nothing or take fragments 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.680 and make something like that's the alchemy of making art. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.520 So these days, just you ask, that's what I'm focused on. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.840 That's the instrument that I want to study, practice and master. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:43.040 I gotta say that high five. When I first got 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.560 to know you, I guess you could say we known 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:46.680 each other at least over. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.440 Ten years, right, Yeah, isn't that wild? 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.600 By two thousand and seven, two eight, you're ten years ago, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.280 you're very much Yeah, a little over ten years ago. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:15:01.120 You're very much like the character weak bleek Gillia in 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.920 Mobile or Blues, because I remember that was Denzel's character. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.080 Is Mike Lee's moment I buy the same dress for 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:09.880 both my girlfriends? 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.840 Yes, dress? Shut shut up? 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:23.360 Anyway, No, my point was we changed numbers. I called 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.200 you and you're like, hey, I'm rehearsing right now, you know, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.880 hit me back. And then I called like two hours later, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.360 You're like, yeah, now I'm rehearsing. And by the seventh time, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.080 I was like, she's She's like the only person I 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:39.200 knew that forhearse. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:44.440 Longer than you was friends. No, no, what's his name? 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:46.440 Jazz asphone player? 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:46.720 Who? 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.840 David uh David Murray. David Murray told me. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.640 That he's just on an average he practices ten hours. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.400 That's madness. Yeah, I don't. But just quickly the plug 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.840 for an album with terryln Carrington Jerry Al David Murray. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.120 That's an amazing album for the record, No bass because 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.160 Jerry An's playing all the bass. But anyway back to us, yes, yes, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:09.840 the red dress. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.120 But yeah, I love my dress. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.960 Thank you guys. And I remember every time I will 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:20.800 call you, you were on a treadmill. Yeah that literally, I'm like, yeah, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.880 I'm on the treadmill right now, and he still wants 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.000 to talk. He still breathing the whole. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:25.320 Yeah. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.040 At nighttime, I'm doing twelve twelve gigs. Okay, so gone 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.240 to your head? What is your favorite instrument? 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:45.080 What she's like a questions like that. No, really, it's 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.080 my life, man, I'm telling you, like it's it's not 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.160 about the instrument right now. I obviously love the bass, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.320 obviously I love the voice, but like truly, the practice 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.200 right now to me is like polishing the instrument of 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.000 my humanity because everything emerges from there. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.120 So there's a fire in your house right now, what 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.680 do you say? I might get an answered at least 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:07.240 an instrument. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.159 Yeah, fire in your house to your head. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.560 It's a really violent Sorry about all of a sudden, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.639 come to question, super Yeah, Can I just ask you 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.280 a question about the way you grew up? Because I 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.480 read something interesting about how you had to be homeschool 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.920 because of something that you went through physically as a kid, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.000 And as you were talking about rehearsing, I was like, well, 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:31.240 I wonder if if some of your rehearsing, uh, it 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.840 comes from the fact that you were at home a 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.560 lot and you have to practice a lot. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.879 I'm just curious. Can you explain? Yeah, I don't know 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.040 if there's a connection that feels very personal. My god, sorry, No, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:47.560 it's cool, get into you. Yeah, let's go, let's go. Yeah. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.080 She means like being home. Yeah, was that more time 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:52.800 to practice as opposed to No. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:18:00.640 I watched a lot of Joy Springer and I thank you. Yeah. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.879 And you know, that was before I understood what practice was. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.840 That's before practice was like suffering or a thing you 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.760 were supposed to do because you had to do it. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.119 So it's just be like, remember, well, before there was 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.720 any sort of like four track recording device, you do 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.199 that thing where you have two tape recorders and you 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.880 just keep like recording the thing over the thing you want. Right, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.520 So I did a lot of that, a lot of. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.160 You know, like five year old boss, so exactly, that. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.640 Was a lot of my of my time. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:33.400 At what age or what year did you master your craft? 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.840 No, go ahead, I'm sorry. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.200 No, I'm still learning. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.240 But it's true, it's true. And also that word master 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.720 is just problematic for me right now, likeation sense, I'm 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.879 just saying, like a master of what? Like master of what? Really? 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.320 Okay, when when. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.160 Did you get comfortable with your skills as a as 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:56.760 a musician? 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.560 Oh? Well, I'm not comfortable with them. But that's not 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.199 that's not a problem. I'm sorry. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:09.840 I've never seen someone where you're where you're coming from. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.040 I mean, well, so do you still get intimidated going 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:13.639 on stage? 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.440 Of course? The last joy? That's the joy? Like that 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.160 that is the practice too, Like if you know there's 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.600 some some ship that scares you and you're willing to 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.560 like dive through and dive in, like that is the 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.800 practice to I know that you need, but I like 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.320 to know that it might not work, you know what 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.040 I mean, Like I like to know, like, oh, ship, 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.200 how we're going to get out of this one? 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.320 I like this? Yeah, okay, I love it. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:37.080 I definitely am. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:37.399 Okay. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.399 So this is weird to hear these answers. Okay, but 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.040 yet most of your songs are like in seven eight 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:49.040 meter like these odd times and these really dissident modulations. Yeah, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.800 which I mean for those that don't understand, like want 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.280 of Layman's talk or whatever. I mean, it's like the 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.160 daredevil equivalent of of. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:19:59.400 Tight rope walking. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.800 Yeah, uh, Empire State Building, that's the same. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.280 I do the sports ones, thank. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.200 You flowers to your head. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.600 So what I'm saying is is. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:20.680 That I mean, you're at least six seven albums deep 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.840 in walking the Wildside, So. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:30.680 It doesn't feel I mean, that's all your record all 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.600 your records, like it's not like maybe it's just not 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.320 that deep. Like I just do what I hear. If 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.040 I hear some ship and I can comprehend it. If 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.639 I have the like the whisper of the sound or 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.600 the premonition of the sound, I just go to make 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.040 that sound, you know what I mean? 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:45.480 Okay. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.920 So as they're speaking tonight, you're you're doing a collaborate 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.360 project with Robert. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.199 Robert, Yes, Chris justin Tyson. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.960 Okay, just so with with that particular situation, are you 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.200 nervous about really? 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.560 Yes, Robert is still Oh my god, Yes, it's what 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.800 makes you nervous? Is it because of who he is? 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.240 What he might do? Well, I feel very what he 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.480 might do. That's what he might do. I feel that. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.760 He'll do comedy before he'll do anything else. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:27.000 Yes, but also also like I remember something that George 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:28.920 Waen said once. He's like, you're young, you get into 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.280 jazz and you're doing it intuitively, like you're studying, and 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.040 it's all cool and anything, like oh I got this, 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.960 I can do this. Then you get like ten thirteen 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.800 years in and you realize how hard it actually is, 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.159