1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: This is Sugar Steve from Questlove Supreme. It's April, which 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: is Jazz appreciation months, so we are running some selections 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: from the QLs archives from artists who make some jazz music. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: This is a pre Pandemic twenty twenty conversation with Esperando Spaldi, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: who has become one of the. 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: New stars of jazz. In this interview, Esperanza. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: Talks about the real Portland, Oregon, learning how to play 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: jazz at a high level, and the neurological benefits of 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: certain rhythms. This is a deep and cosmic hour long chat. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: Enjoy yo yo yo yo yo yo ya. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: You're good at spontaneity, making it up. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: Supremo, Sir, Suprema. Roll call, Suprema su su Supremo. Roll 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: call Supremo s Supremo. Role call, Suprema s Supremo. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: Roll a Prodigy. Yeah, win to Berkeley. Yeah me Jack JB. 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: I'm talking to. 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Supremo, Suprema. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: Roll called, Suprema son something Supremo. 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Roll call. My name is Sugar. 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question about jazz. Yeah for double bass, Yeah, 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: you need double hands. 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: Supreme Supremo, roll cal Suprema Supremo roll. 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm unpaid, Bill don't give no fucks. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, by his book, Yeah, mixtape looks Suprema Supremo. 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 6: Roll call Suprema, So Supremo roll. 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 7: What's your name now? 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 4: Yeah? 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 7: For a spell in your body? Yeah, I can make 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 7: it for you quick yeah, or. 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 6: Supremo Supremo Roll Suprema Supremo. 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a weird episode of Court 32 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: Love Supreme. 33 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: It is raining outside the bomb cyclone. 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 4: All I can say was that Laia, Bill and I 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: left from the same destination, but I decided to violate 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: some traffic laws to get here in time because our 37 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: guest today has to be out with the quickness. 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: So Steve insisted that we do the theme without Bill 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: and Laia. Yeah yeah, he insisted. Why because they got 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: to learn right, that's absolutely cruel, or they can overdub 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: it later. No, we never. 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 4: We never overdubbed the theme anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, this 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 4: is Couest Love Supreme. So we're joined by the exquisite, 44 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: the remarkable, the ever expansive, the gift that you already 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: introduced me. 46 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, my fault. 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: We already said Sugar Steve, the original, the inspiring, one 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 4: of the cool, prolific creatives and music today, and most importantly, 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 4: she's a native of one of my all time favorite 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 4: cities on Earth, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, please 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 4: give it up for. 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: So are you doing. 53 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 7: After all that? I'm good settling? Settling? 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: You're settling? 55 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, And I reflect back for you to you everything 56 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 7: you just said about me. Yeah, I'm grateful. 57 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: I'm bad with I'm learning to accept implements at a 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: new place in my life. I read the Gene Keys book. 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: I'm learning to accept. For years you've been telling you 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: to accept. It's hard to accept compliments. 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I agree. Are you good or bad with compliments? 62 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 7: I just let them roll and often bounce them back 63 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 7: to be real. Alsolet figure you can't perceive it if 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 7: you don't hold it. 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: You know, I want you to hold the compliments. Yes, 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: hear all those things? 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 7: Okay, I take that. 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: Can I sit closer to you? 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: You sound prett great? 70 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: Based on his. 71 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 7: Introduction, what's sitting closer going to do? 72 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah exactly. 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 7: HR like some em and off. 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: Normally like I know my guests like the back of 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: my hand when they come to the show. But I 76 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: can't help but notice that in your bio and your 77 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: wiki bio, they had a factoid in there that kind 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: of took me back, which for me, like the idea 79 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: of Portland organ and the words gang activity never seemed 80 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: to mix. 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 7: That's because it's the Portland of now you're trying to 82 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 7: translate it. Also if you come from like New York 83 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 7: or Baltimore or LA I think gang activity in Portland 84 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 7: is like a little paper cup that you get by 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 7: the cooler at the office, you know, su Price, Yeah, 86 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 7: But I. 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Mean the way that we're trying to paint it was like, 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, music was your salvation. 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: There was gang activity in the neighborhood, and so am 90 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: I to believed that there's no differference between Portland, Oregon and. 91 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: No, there's Portland is just like Compton. 92 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 7: I mean, if you're growing up and sleeping in the 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 7: bathtub because there are guns outside and you've never been 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 7: to another city, it feels it feels imminent, it feels dangerous, 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 7: it feels scary. And that was the reality for a 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 7: few years growing up and in the Northeast while I 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 7: was raised. But you know, comparatively to some other cities. 98 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 7: I think we had it mild, but people were filing. 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 7: They were wiling. 100 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: Okay, but that's the thing. 101 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: The fact that you had it it all shocks me 102 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: because people are genuinely jaw dropped when I tell them 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: that Portland organ is hands down my favorite city on Earth. 104 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 7: Why is it your favorite city? 105 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: More than half my record collection comes from there, So no, no, no, 106 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like. 107 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 7: We do love music. 108 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, your record dealers really don't know 109 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 4: the value of certain things. So Portland is the place 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 4: that like Japanese record dealers fly to well to come 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: and buy records and then they sell them back to me. 112 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 7: I'm in a thousand bucks, I do that's do advintage 113 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 7: clothing just for the record as well. No, no, yeah, 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 7: it's a trip. It's like everybody just figured it out. 115 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 7: But that reality that you're talking about was like our 116 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 7: secret because we were provincial. I mean, it's still kind 117 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 7: of you always knew about Ireland, like didn't know that 118 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 7: the world was really looking at Portland like that, you know, to. 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Like beat makers and whatnot. 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: I would lead them to Austin, which is my second 121 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 4: favorite city. But I sent them down south, far away 122 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: from my dodain of Portland, Oregon. 123 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: So what was your childhood like? Did you grow up 124 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: in a musical family or No. 125 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 7: I grew up with a single working mother and a 126 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 7: big brother, and I grew up just in a funky neighborhood. 127 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: It was. 128 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 7: I didn't know that it was grimy, because that's all 129 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 7: that I had, But I know that we weren't allowed 130 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 7: to go outside because it felt dangerous, you know, after 131 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 7: the street lights came on, we had to stay in. 132 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 7: And I remember, I just remember wanted to always be 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 7: at the piano and always wanted to compose. And when 134 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 7: my mother took the dogs for a walk, I would 135 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 7: make her sing harmony with me. That's what I remember 136 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 7: my childhood. Kinds of freaking harmony. Yes, yes, nothing I 137 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 7: could hear. What age is that? 138 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 8: Because I know you're a phenom in that way with 139 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 8: bus Yeah, I mean. 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 7: It's I don't know if I'm a phenom. I've worked 141 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 7: a lot at stuff when I was a kid. But yeah, 142 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 7: very musical, I mean it, honestly, I don't remember they sang. Yeah. 143 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 7: She's from a generation where everybody could play piano, could 144 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 7: play piano and read piano music, you know, so for me, 145 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 7: it was just like anything that I heard on the 146 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 7: radio or on television and end credits I would go 147 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 7: find at the piano and that was the beginning of 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 7: my compositional journey. 149 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Can you remember the first record that you purchased? 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 7: Oh, it was M. 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: You're Born in eighty four? 152 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: Don't You Give Me No Tell a Little Bit of Love? 153 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 7: It was probably Sorry to Let You Down. It was 154 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 7: probably Roomski Cours That's what it was though, and maybe 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 7: some Chibo Matto. I was really into Chibo Matto when 156 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 7: I was a kids. I probably bought an early Chipo 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 7: Mato record too. 158 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 8: Well. 159 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 7: I went to like a freaky arts high school, so 160 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 7: you know, we were in talls. 161 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: You know, wait, how old were you when you brought 162 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: your first record? 163 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 7: M Maybe twelve? That was how I could afford music 164 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 7: because they would be in the bins for fifty cents, 165 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 7: you know. So you go, you see the cool cover, 166 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 7: then you get to try it out and see if 167 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 7: you want it. 168 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: You know, ninety four ninety five, this when you. 169 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 7: Brought ninety six? Yeah something, thats okay? Yeah, what with 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 7: your first record? 171 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: My first record is just actually nerdy. I did the 172 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: one thing please station. No, it's the worst, but I 173 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: have no shame in my game. You know, like when 174 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: especially seventies kids one, my parents didn't believe in babysitters. 175 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: Qualified Okay, I love it you No, it's not I'm 176 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: not doing the preference saying that my parents didn't babysitters. 177 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to talk to strangers, and. 178 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: You know, I had I had an afro that rival 179 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: with yours as a five year old. So of course, 180 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: you know, like the whole primitive, exotic way old white 181 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: women come up and buy me stuff. I wasn't allowed 182 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: to ask for strangers for anything. And this woman comes 183 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: up to me. Your name is Ellie, and she's like something, 184 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 4: I say, records, so and then she got a napkin 185 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: and finn and she took my order down. And then 186 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 4: the next night came back with the Fisher Price record 187 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: player what and she gave me my first three records, 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: which was which. 189 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 7: Have questions about that, right, like, just how that paints 190 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 7: your expectation on the world. Do you just expect to 191 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 7: ask some white ladies show up? But that's kind of 192 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 7: beaut I love that. I love that. I love that 193 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 7: in right, should be this White Lady? 194 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: Did you talk like that? White Lady? 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: Particularly child no contractions, just like I cannot do that? 196 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: White Lady was the record she purchased me. I have 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: a shame. 198 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: I don't know why I liked's Bad Blood. I don't 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: bad Blood? Uh one of these nice by the Eagles 200 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: song that subsequently scared me, the uh Rufus and Shaka 201 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: Khans dance with Me. I think I got Looking through 202 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 4: the Windows by the Jackson five and. 203 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 9: It's all this, all this all explains quite a bit, actually, 204 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 9: And my fifth record was the Fifth Dimension version of 205 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 9: Love Hangover, which was out way before Diana Ross's version. 206 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: What was the first one you physically bought? Not a 207 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: white lady bought for you. 208 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: I got a good report card in the third grade, 209 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 4: so I my uncle gave me five For five bucks, 210 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: you could buy the Jackson's Destiny Ah track. She could 211 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: buy and Switches It Switches. 212 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: Oh you're right there with me. 213 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 4: Motherfuckers and Switches Switches debut album. Yeah, you could buy 214 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: a tracks for like to nineteen two thousand. 215 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 7: Do you know what an a track is? I have 216 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 7: the Mad Hatter on a track for no reason, just 217 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 7: just to around it's okay. 218 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Esperanja is an old soul. 219 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 7: She is anyway, I have memories that predate my birth. 220 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 7: I do. I'm holding them, Esperanza. Hi, I'm here. 221 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: How old were you this show? 222 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: All right? 223 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: So how did you actually discover instruments? And what is 224 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: your instrument of choice? Because you do everything, You sing well, 225 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: you play bass well, you do piano, what like, what 226 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 4: is your I'm. 227 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 7: Starting to think that the instrument is my life, you know, 228 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 7: those are the details. Yeah, no, I mean it's true. 229 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 7: I've been thinking a lot about just the potency of 230 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 7: word and sound anywhere that we are, and trying to 231 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 7: hold my existence, like my interfacing with people as the 232 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 7: instrumental exchange, because i know the power that sound has, 233 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 7: and I've been so focused on this, like I got shit. 234 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 7: I put the hours and like be able to do 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: the things, and recently I'm like, damn, but there's already 236 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 7: people who can do that. You know, there's already that 237 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 7: masterful bass player that's already taken it to the limit. 238 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 7: There's that massive vocalist who's taken it all the way. 239 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 7: Now I'm thinking about, like, what is the practice to 240 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 7: make every sound that I make and interaction that I 241 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,119 Speaker 7: make like a beautiful performance in conversation. 242 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 9: This actually reminds me of something I read and might 243 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 9: take Garci's book, Prince's ex Wife. She said that he 244 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 9: told her that to live every day like a work 245 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 9: of art. And that's what that sounds like. 246 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 7: I am really a fan of that. Yeah, as a practice. 247 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 8: Practice is sounds so free. 248 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 7: I don't even comprehend right now. 249 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: Well, also this and I like to think I'm an 250 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: okay musician. 251 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 7: You well, you're probably doing that. I'm just coming to 252 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 7: the consciousness of it. I think a lot of this. 253 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 7: Wayne short a quote when he talks about the premise 254 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 7: of this philosophy, this Buddhism Lily practices, and he said, 255 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 7: you know, with it, you get to create value out 256 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 7: of everything that's happening. And I think that's very much 257 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 7: what we do as improvisers when we're in a musical space, 258 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 7: like whatever the raw ingredients are in the studio with 259 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 7: the song sketch, you activate the creative powers to turn 260 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 7: that into a thing. So he talks about applying that 261 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 7: to everyday life, and he says, because if you're not 262 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 7: practicing that, what's practicing you? 263 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: And that's of course, but that's. 264 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 7: That's what we've been practicing as artists, right, We've been 265 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 7: practicing this creative capacity to take nothing or take fragments 266 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 7: and make something like that's the alchemy of making art. 267 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 7: So these days, just you ask, that's what I'm focused on. 268 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 7: That's the instrument that I want to study, practice and master. 269 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: I gotta say that high five. When I first got 270 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: to know you, I guess you could say we known 271 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: each other at least over. 272 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Ten years, right, Yeah, isn't that wild? 273 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: By two thousand and seven, two eight, you're ten years ago, 274 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: you're very much Yeah, a little over ten years ago. 275 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 4: You're very much like the character weak bleek Gillia in 276 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 4: Mobile or Blues, because I remember that was Denzel's character. 277 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 7: Is Mike Lee's moment I buy the same dress for 278 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 7: both my girlfriends? 279 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: Yes, dress? Shut shut up? 280 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: Anyway, No, my point was we changed numbers. I called 281 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: you and you're like, hey, I'm rehearsing right now, you know, 282 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: hit me back. And then I called like two hours later, 283 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, now I'm rehearsing. And by the seventh time, 284 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: I was like, she's She's like the only person I 285 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: knew that forhearse. 286 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: Longer than you was friends. No, no, what's his name? 287 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: Jazz asphone player? 288 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: Who? 289 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: David uh David Murray. David Murray told me. 290 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: That he's just on an average he practices ten hours. 291 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 7: That's madness. Yeah, I don't. But just quickly the plug 292 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 7: for an album with terryln Carrington Jerry Al David Murray. 293 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 7: That's an amazing album for the record, No bass because 294 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 7: Jerry An's playing all the bass. But anyway back to us, yes, yes, 295 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 7: the red dress. 296 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I love my dress. 297 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 7: Thank you guys. And I remember every time I will 298 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 7: call you, you were on a treadmill. Yeah that literally, I'm like, yeah, 299 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 7: I'm on the treadmill right now, and he still wants 300 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 7: to talk. He still breathing the whole. 301 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 8: Yeah. 302 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 4: At nighttime, I'm doing twelve twelve gigs. Okay, so gone 303 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: to your head? What is your favorite instrument? 304 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 7: What she's like a questions like that. No, really, it's 305 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 7: my life, man, I'm telling you, like it's it's not 306 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 7: about the instrument right now. I obviously love the bass, 307 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 7: obviously I love the voice, but like truly, the practice 308 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 7: right now to me is like polishing the instrument of 309 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 7: my humanity because everything emerges from there. 310 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: So there's a fire in your house right now, what 311 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: do you say? I might get an answered at least 312 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: an instrument. 313 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, fire in your house to your head. 314 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 8: It's a really violent Sorry about all of a sudden, 315 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 8: come to question, super Yeah, Can I just ask you 316 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 8: a question about the way you grew up? Because I 317 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 8: read something interesting about how you had to be homeschool 318 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 8: because of something that you went through physically as a kid, 319 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 8: And as you were talking about rehearsing, I was like, well, 320 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 8: I wonder if if some of your rehearsing, uh, it 321 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 8: comes from the fact that you were at home a 322 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 8: lot and you have to practice a lot. 323 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 7: I'm just curious. Can you explain? Yeah, I don't know 324 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 7: if there's a connection that feels very personal. My god, sorry, No, 325 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 7: it's cool, get into you. Yeah, let's go, let's go. Yeah. 326 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: She means like being home. Yeah, was that more time 327 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: to practice as opposed to No. 328 00:17:52,920 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 7: I watched a lot of Joy Springer and I thank you. Yeah. 329 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 7: And you know, that was before I understood what practice was. 330 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 7: That's before practice was like suffering or a thing you 331 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 7: were supposed to do because you had to do it. 332 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 7: So it's just be like, remember, well, before there was 333 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 7: any sort of like four track recording device, you do 334 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 7: that thing where you have two tape recorders and you 335 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 7: just keep like recording the thing over the thing you want. Right, 336 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 7: So I did a lot of that, a lot of. 337 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, like five year old boss, so exactly, that. 338 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 7: Was a lot of my of my time. 339 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: At what age or what year did you master your craft? 340 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 7: No, go ahead, I'm sorry. 341 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: No, I'm still learning. 342 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 7: But it's true, it's true. And also that word master 343 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 7: is just problematic for me right now, likeation sense, I'm 344 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 7: just saying, like a master of what? Like master of what? Really? 345 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: Okay, when when. 346 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 9: Did you get comfortable with your skills as a as 347 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 9: a musician? 348 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 7: Oh? Well, I'm not comfortable with them. But that's not 349 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 7: that's not a problem. I'm sorry. 350 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: I've never seen someone where you're where you're coming from. 351 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, well, so do you still get intimidated going 352 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: on stage? 353 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 7: Of course? The last joy? That's the joy? Like that 354 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 7: that is the practice too, Like if you know there's 355 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 7: some some ship that scares you and you're willing to 356 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 7: like dive through and dive in, like that is the 357 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 7: practice to I know that you need, but I like 358 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 7: to know that it might not work, you know what 359 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 7: I mean, Like I like to know, like, oh, ship, 360 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 7: how we're going to get out of this one? 361 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: I like this? Yeah, okay, I love it. 362 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 7: I definitely am. 363 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: Okay. 364 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: So this is weird to hear these answers. Okay, but 365 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: yet most of your songs are like in seven eight 366 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 4: meter like these odd times and these really dissident modulations. Yeah, 367 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: which I mean for those that don't understand, like want 368 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: of Layman's talk or whatever. I mean, it's like the 369 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 4: daredevil equivalent of of. 370 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: Tight rope walking. 371 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Empire State Building, that's the same. 372 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I do the sports ones, thank. 373 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 7: You flowers to your head. 374 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is is. 375 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: That I mean, you're at least six seven albums deep 376 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: in walking the Wildside, So. 377 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 7: It doesn't feel I mean, that's all your record all 378 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 7: your records, like it's not like maybe it's just not 379 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 7: that deep. Like I just do what I hear. If 380 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 7: I hear some ship and I can comprehend it. If 381 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 7: I have the like the whisper of the sound or 382 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 7: the premonition of the sound, I just go to make 383 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 7: that sound, you know what I mean? 384 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Okay. 385 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: So as they're speaking tonight, you're you're doing a collaborate 386 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 4: project with Robert. 387 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 7: Robert, Yes, Chris justin Tyson. 388 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: Okay, just so with with that particular situation, are you 389 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: nervous about really? 390 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 7: Yes, Robert is still Oh my god, Yes, it's what 391 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 7: makes you nervous? Is it because of who he is? 392 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 7: What he might do? Well, I feel very what he 393 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 7: might do. That's what he might do. I feel that. 394 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: He'll do comedy before he'll do anything else. 395 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 7: Yes, but also also like I remember something that George 396 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 7: Waen said once. He's like, you're young, you get into 397 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 7: jazz and you're doing it intuitively, like you're studying, and 398 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 7: it's all cool and anything, like oh I got this, 399 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 7: I can do this. Then you get like ten thirteen 400 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 7: years in and you realize how hard it actually is, 401 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden you're like god damn, 402 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 7: like thank god, I didn't understand how intense this was. 403 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 7: Like I'm at that place right now where I'm just 404 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 7: like holy shit, like there's so much more that I 405 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 7: want to do and study and training. 406 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 4: Have you met a composition that you've yet to M 407 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 4: word M word? 408 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 7: Yes? But isn't that the gift, Like what the hell, 409 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 7: it wouldn't be fun if you're out here, like I 410 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 7: go up this ship. Yeah, gone and done. 411 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: I feel like you feel like the second that you 412 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: feel comfortable like okay, yeah, next, then everything's over Like wow, I'm. 413 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 7: Here, but you're like that too, Like why. 414 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: Are you I'm in a new place now. 415 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 7: You don't want to be challenging. 416 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy this. 417 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: I'm going to re enter your life through the through 418 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: phone communication, which I know you hate. No, I actually 419 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy your book and see if this changes you. 420 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 7: Over text, I do. I prefer talking on the phone 421 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 7: again for the sonic exchange, you know, but right now, 422 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 7: like what I really would love to do, really, really 423 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 7: really in music, honestly, is to harness the best of 424 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 7: practices for music therapy and neuroscience. Say what yes, and 425 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 7: like get that into like a playbook that other musicians 426 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 7: can use. And it's not like you have to be 427 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 7: explicit like we're yielding these tools, but just like yo, okay, 428 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 7: Like these combinations of chords have this effect on the body, 429 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 7: Like these combinations of rhythms like have a soothing effect. 430 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 7: Oh my god, I don't know certain agree. Okay, done 431 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 7: and done. 432 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of cosmic crazy ship, you know 433 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: what it is. 434 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 9: I read an interview with DJ Quick about maybe about 435 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 9: ten years ago, and he was talking about the way 436 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 9: he approaches when he's making beats. It's like he keeps 437 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 9: people's heart beats and you know, he's thinking about the 438 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 9: pace of their heart. I love that he's doing that, 439 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 9: So it's kind of I'm kind of getting that same vibe. 440 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 7: For Graves. I don't know if y'all familiar with him. 441 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 7: There's a beautiful documentary called Full Mantis about his work. 442 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 7: He's been exploring this as a percussionist, and actually what 443 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 7: he discovered ended up informing like the medical field. He 444 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 7: is the one who discovered the measurements for heart great variables, 445 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 7: you know. And this was coming from his question as 446 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 7: a percussionist of like how do I affect and heal 447 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 7: the human heart from my rhythm? And I just like 448 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 7: I say this because as artists, like I was saying before, 449 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 7: we have been practicing something very unique, like we have 450 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 7: a superpower and it's incredible, and we yield it through 451 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 7: our art intuitively and through study and practice. And I 452 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 7: just feel like, right, now on planet Earth, like we 453 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 7: have an incredible gift to be offered through this medium 454 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 7: of music. People trust us, they need us, Like we 455 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 7: know that we're administering medicine. So I'm excited at this 456 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 7: particular moment of how that medicine can be like supercharged 457 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 7: with what our friends and colleagues over in the science 458 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 7: world are doing. You know. 459 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, I literally got to email from somebody who is 460 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 8: like the CEO of Musical Health Technologies. Oh so that's 461 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 8: like a literally and you went to Kappa with them. Yeah, 462 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 8: who oh, I was supposed to take it's out here. 463 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 7: It's happening. It's happening, and it's ecass and maybe it'll 464 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 7: all come back around to what we already do intuitively, 465 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 7: like well, like we've been doing this. 466 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: You know you are telling the truth because you remember, 467 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: like some time ago when Terrence Howard is talking a 468 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: little bit crazy on the Red carpet. 469 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 7: Oh at Tyler, Well yeah. 470 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know Black Twitter had a field day. 471 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: He was actually telling the truth. One he did it 472 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: in such a cosmic way. He did it in such 473 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: a cosmic way that would just set off Black Twitter 474 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 4: like he crazy. Well, I mean, the thing is you 475 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 4: know when people talk about like meditation and and kind 476 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 4: of metaphysics and all that stuff. 477 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 9: Anything that ain't in the Bible, right exactly, we're getting there. 478 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 7: People. 479 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 8: Let's not be too hard on us and we out 480 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 8: of history. No we need we are doing We are 481 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 8: doing it more often than not when it comes to 482 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 8: meditation and things of that nature. That's not be hard 483 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 8: on us. All of us here know it. 484 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: So I pulled. 485 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: So I've been putting off this thing for like nine 486 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 4: months where I'm like, what the hell is the sound bath? Okay, 487 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: you're going to play a gong and I'm gonna do 488 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: some breathing exercise like lamas. 489 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: It's going to change my life right to give birth 490 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: to music. Please keep talking, that's. 491 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 7: The thing, please please. I love that. 492 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: I'm just saying that. That's how closed closed I was 493 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: to the idea of it. And then I went into 494 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 4: the most transformative like experience of my life, which and 495 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: it's so hard. It's it's like I would have it's 496 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: probably easier to make you think that there is a 497 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: Santa Claus, but you're actually speaking into existence things that 498 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 4: happen where these people play music in meditation, and it's 499 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: it's it's past. Uh a tantric orgasm, like it's past 500 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 4: all of that. It's really and especially yes, I highly 501 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 4: recommend it. 502 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 8: Can I ask you, guys, what it was to experience it? 503 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 8: You can? 504 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 7: It's like, okay, how do you explain what it is? 505 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 7: I don't know what it is? 506 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 8: I knew. 507 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 7: Experiential, you know, like I practice reiki. When people ask 508 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 7: me what that is, I'm like, I can try to 509 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 7: explain it to you, but it'd be like if you 510 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 7: never heard music and I'm trying to explain to you 511 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 7: what the sensory experience of hearing organized sound is. You 512 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 7: feel it in your body, and when you feel it, 513 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 7: you get what the shit is. But until then, it 514 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 7: really doesn't help to explain experience. 515 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: I believe, like when you see homeless people talking to 516 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 4: themselves on the. 517 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 9: Street, mighty find me a group on for one. 518 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 4: Really, No, My dream is to organize this for my 519 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 4: loved ones, Like I'm gonna try and figure out how 520 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: I can do it for fifty people, But in the meanwhile, 521 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 4: I have to get them open to the idea of 522 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: doing this, because mine took me about My experience was 523 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 4: like eight hours. What I got there four point thirty 524 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: and after all the crying and screaming and all that 525 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: shit was done. You know, I'm telling my girlfriend like, oh, okay, 526 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: let's go get some me. She's like, Babe, it's three 527 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: forty five in the morning. Literally, yeah, it's it's you 528 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 4: went in. It's the most intense therapy thing that you'll 529 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 4: ever deal with. 530 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: In your life. 531 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 7: I think that we might be one of the few 532 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 7: cultures that doesn't have an articulation for the medicinal properties 533 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 7: of music. 534 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: They doing in Africa, though, I think. 535 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. She's American, I'm saying in this 536 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 7: in this nation, in our culture. I think that it's 537 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 7: actually very common knowledge in many, many cultures that you 538 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 7: utilize music for specific functions, for grieving, for births, for birthdays, 539 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 7: for celebration, for even for medicinal reasons, you know. And 540 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 7: I think that right now we're coming back to that 541 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 7: maybe that ancient understanding. Yes, And I know a lot 542 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 7: of musicians who are asking like, okay, so how do 543 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 7: I like, how do I imbue what I do with that? 544 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 7: When you were speaking about wanting to bring your family 545 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 7: to it, I'm like, damn, is that something you can do? 546 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 7: From the stage, Like, is there a version where you 547 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 7: like weave some of that potency into what's being disseminated 548 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 7: for the whole audience. 549 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: This is what I think that. 550 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 7: That's real. That's real, it is, that's real. She knows 551 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 7: what she's doing. 552 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: I'll give you a better example now hearing that nineteen 553 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: minute version of Pharaoh Sanders, the creator has a master plan, hey, 554 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: that or like the Principales, the Leon Thomas, just like 555 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 4: the twenty you know, like listening to it without context 556 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: and then like when he starts his yodeling thing, that 557 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: starts wearing, weirding me out, like, okay, what's he and 558 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 4: then they start primitive screaming and all that like pretty 559 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: much the last ages of Coltrane, the last stages of 560 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 4: Pharaoh Sanders' albums. Uh, truth be told. Yoko Ono's early 561 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: early stuff, Dude. 562 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 9: My first experience, my first exposure to Yoko as a 563 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 9: vocalist was the Rolling Stones rock and roll circus. Yes, 564 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 9: and you've seen it. You know exactly what I saw 565 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 9: and what I heard so exactly. 566 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: No, but even even even with the plastic go thing 567 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: with with mother, all the screaming, please, yeah, all the 568 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: screaming at the. 569 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 4: End of Mother is due to the fact that Yoko 570 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: got John into. 571 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 7: Did that feel cathartic for you listening? 572 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Yes, totally right. 573 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 7: Isn't that deep? And I wonder when we're thinking about 574 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 7: you speaking about Faril Sanders and culture and like often 575 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 7: I think we speak about their intention of what they 576 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 7: were sending out. But I want us to just remember that, 577 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,239 Speaker 7: you know, the personal work when we share it is 578 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 7: very potent and very powerful, just as medicine in and 579 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 7: of itself, because very rarely do we actually get to 580 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 7: witness people in healing process it it's hidden. It happens 581 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 7: in a room somewhere with like your therapist, or it 582 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 7: happens in your marriage counseling, or at church if you 583 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 7: happen to get the spirit if you're a lucky one, 584 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 7: you know. But I think that right now, like giving 585 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 7: that permission to show like the total vulnerability and almost 586 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 7: like borderline madness of what healing looks like, that catharsis 587 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 7: is a gift that we can give too. 588 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: It is. 589 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 9: I'm happy you brought up Creator as a master plane 590 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 9: because I still remember the very first time I heard that, 591 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 9: which was probably about maybe fifteen years ago, and it 592 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 9: really was like like I felt changed after I heard it. Yeah, 593 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 9: Like I was like, holy shit, like I've been you know, 594 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 9: a lifelong fan of music, you know, you know, music 595 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 9: is transformative. I had never experienced what I felt when 596 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 9: I first heard Created as a master plan. 597 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 7: It's like whoa, and those individuals just to bring it 598 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 7: around or connect the dots, they to deep spiritual work 599 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 7: as well. Like I think those are two artists for sure, 600 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 7: Parol Sanders and John Coltran who recognized their lives as 601 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 7: the instrument as well. And we're doing that deep studying 602 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 7: and taking that responsibility to polish their instrument of their. 603 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 9: When I finally understood what was going on with The 604 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 9: Love Supreme, like I was like, oh wow, this is 605 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 9: just well not not fully understood, but like you know, 606 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 9: when I finally realized that the you know, the last 607 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 9: part is him playing the prayer on the back of 608 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 9: the cover of the album, or you know when he 609 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 9: when he's playing the in the first part where he's 610 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 9: playing the Love Supreme motif, and you know, in every 611 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 9: key he's saying God is in every and everything, So 612 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 9: you know, just speaking up on things like that, it's like, yes, yes. 613 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: A big part. 614 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 4: Why so maybe foreign to us because this is one 615 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 4: of the unfortunate, one of the kind of things that 616 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 4: I find problematic with how religion is in America, especially 617 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 4: in terms. 618 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Especially well there's. 619 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 9: The church the Coltrane in California. 620 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: And so here's the thing. 621 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 4: When I was doing research on this is a long 622 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 4: story of me finding out how my ancestors came to 623 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: the States. And so the long story short is that 624 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 4: once they were emancipated, they were allowed to purchase a 625 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 4: big body of land two hundred acres of which they 626 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 4: were allowed to go back to their religion and their 627 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 4: way of living in their techniques, so they didn't have 628 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 4: to practice Christianity anymore. And once I did the research 629 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: of what they did in Africa Town in Alabama, at 630 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: first I was joking like, oh, no, wonder, I'm kind 631 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 4: of hippioists, Like there are a bunch of hippies. They 632 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: even in the Failout play they spoke of a I 633 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 4: can't pronounce it in bulk towards it's a religious practice 634 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 4: where it's like a three day meditation. It would be 635 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: the equivalent of a Hyawaska Ta ceremony or that sort 636 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 4: of thing. Or mushrooms or whatever. It's sort of like 637 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 4: the religion that was imposed on us for purposes of 638 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 4: slavery is conflicting into what we originally came from. And 639 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 4: so that's kind of what I'm conflicted with now on 640 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: at least trying to get other black people then not 641 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 4: just think that I'm some Birkenstock granola hippie. 642 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, hey, do tune in into and out. 643 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 7: There's a large to tribe than you think. I like 644 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 7: to think that whatever archetypal benevolent energies there are, they 645 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 7: are very forgiving of the small, small minded ways that 646 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 7: human beings interpret what they have to say. I like 647 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 7: to imagine them in another realm, just like in harmony 648 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 7: with each other, and we're the ones who are like 649 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 7: clashing our like diminished edits of what they've offered with 650 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 7: each other, you know, because I mean everywhere you go 651 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 7: in the world that Christianity has been imposed, you see 652 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 7: ways that indigenous cultures have absorbed the best of and 653 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 7: use it as nomenclature to translate what they already knew 654 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 7: what they already knew to be truths, because I mean, essentially, 655 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 7: if you can't feel the ultimate truth in your heart? 656 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 7: What's the word gonna do for you? You know? And 657 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 7: I have seen this with friends who are practicing in 658 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 7: other faiths but are really open to Christianity. They find 659 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 7: the metaphor they need to access that benevolent archetype and 660 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 7: let it serve them and support them. So, you know, 661 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 7: like in other words, like I don't need to throw 662 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 7: away Christianity or like put it down. I just can 663 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 7: see that humans got their hands on it, diminished it 664 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 7: to diminish other human beings. But the archetypal truth exactly 665 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 7: is what it is. And I think there are benevolent 666 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 7: entities that are hard to describe, Like what we're. 667 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 8: A dummy version of what you just said is most 668 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 8: people just say I'm spiritual. 669 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it work with it. 670 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,959 Speaker 8: Like not one or true religions. They got some truth, 671 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 8: here's some truth. I just pull it. 672 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 7: But I mean that's that's similar to how we get 673 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 7: into music, right, Like essentially, if you are devoted, you're 674 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 7: gonna find what you need. Like devotion is devotion is devotionally, 675 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 7: it doesn't matter if you're a folk singer or a 676 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 7: jazz musician or whatever, Like if you're willing to put 677 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 7: in that level of devotion, like you will unpackage that 678 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 7: the polishing of your centrifuge, you know, and be able 679 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 7: to bring through the magic that that you have to 680 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 7: offer in this realm. 681 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 2: I have a question, yes, with regards to music being 682 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 2: a healing tool and so forth, and I want to 683 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: just temporarily bring it to the to the actual bass 684 00:35:53,040 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 2: guitar and is the is the bass guitar or base 685 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 2: or anything that creates low end Is that is that 686 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: more suitable for healing because of the stronger vibrations. 687 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 7: Oh, that's interesting. I don't know. For me, I experienced 688 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 7: it as a very soothing part of my life. Also, 689 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 7: I think more than the bass as an instrument, that 690 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 7: was an instrument that I could improvise on. It was 691 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 7: the first instrument that I actually felt free, just spontaneously 692 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 7: creating on. And I recently that's what. 693 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 9: I meant by comfortable earlier. 694 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I recently learned that when you are in 695 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 7: the state of improvising, you're actually soothing your brain. So 696 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 7: being an active improvisation actually changes the functionality of your 697 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 7: brain as you're doing it. It's also the only time 698 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 7: that you're the part of your brain that forms I 699 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 7: narrative and the part of your brain that listens are 700 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 7: active at the same time. So personally, I don't know 701 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 7: if it's the instrument itself or the fact that I 702 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 7: was free on it. I know that my whole life, 703 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 7: when I've been playing the instrument, I've been soothing myself. 704 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 7: I've been soothing my brain. It is a blessing. 705 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: But also because you know it, you'll feel the vibrations 706 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: more in your body because a stand up. 707 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 7: Basically, yeah, that would be something interesting to look into. 708 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 7: Just the resonance. What the resonance of the instrument does? 709 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 7: It feels healing as hell? 710 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I have one other question about that bass. 711 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: So for people that don't know out there, the difference 712 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: between an upright bass or a standard an acoustic bass 713 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: and a double bass. 714 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 7: Different. 715 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 2: It's just different names for the same thing. 716 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, can I ask a question. 717 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 8: My dad wanted me to ask you this question because 718 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 8: we were rolling around listening to your music the other 719 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 8: day and he was like, oh, I'm a fan. You 720 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 8: don't have to play it, he said, but he's as 721 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 8: a drummer. My dad's a drummer. He was like, I 722 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 8: need her to really talk about how difficult it is 723 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 8: to sing and play stand up bass and how those 724 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 8: somehow he did some of Mere bill Ship where it's 725 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 8: like the ones the two's in the fours, and how 726 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 8: it's hard to get in and stuff. 727 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 7: But I didn't. I was like, I'm gonna ask the ruin, 728 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 7: ask espan. Yeah, I disagree that it's hard. I think 729 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 7: because it's all hard. All of it is difficult. I mean, 730 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 7: we know this. 731 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: You know this practice I did. 732 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 7: I did. I practiced a lot. I think anybody who 733 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 7: practiced as much as I did singing and playing would 734 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 7: find it as accessible as playing piano. Left and right 735 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 7: hand is just you're used to seeing that, so we 736 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 7: don't think about it as much. But like left and 737 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 7: right hand piano, independence is crazy? 738 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: What's the thing you ignore? 739 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 7: Ignore? 740 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 5: If I'm playing and singing, I'm not thinking about what 741 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 5: I'm playing. I'm thinking about what I'm singing. 742 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 7: Oh, interimating. I try to hear it all like I 743 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 7: try to stretch fe Okay, you know what it is 744 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 7: like After a certain point, the kinetic memory comes in 745 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 7: on the base. Yeah, so that you have access to that. 746 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 7: I have to say, though this particular era, I have 747 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 7: not been practicing that much, and it's really wild to 748 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 7: be in like a plying environment and actually be trying 749 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 7: to think about all that shit at once. It's it 750 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 7: doesn't feel it doesn't feel as close right. 751 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 8: Now because Peters, my dad is eighty, and we were 752 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 8: really trying to rack our brains to think of other 753 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 8: stand musicians that play stand up base and sing, and we. 754 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 7: Were like, yeah, can you play drums? Sure? Does it 755 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 7: sound good? 756 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: You play good? Have you played on your albums? 757 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 7: I have not? 758 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: Okay, I got a question, but it's not too late. 759 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 5: The Roots have been trying to complete their last album 760 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 5: for like three or four years. Yeah, and you like 761 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 5: to like make an album in like three days. 762 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, things like that. So I feel like the two 763 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: of you. 764 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, but that yeah, that that album. What that was 765 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 7: was showcasing the process of creation as the project. So 766 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 7: it was less about the final product and more about 767 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 7: like the art form that we're exhibiting right here is 768 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 7: creation itself with all the tightrope walking involved. Because I 769 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 7: truly think personally in my Daredevil character that I am like, 770 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 7: when the risk is real, it activates this whole other 771 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 7: dimension of your creativity. 772 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 9: That I agree with you and not just in music, 773 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 9: just I think it's in anything. Like I feel like 774 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 9: I do my best work when I'm under so much 775 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 9: pressure because that. 776 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 7: Okay, what about it does not have to be pressure, 777 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 7: but just the stakes are real, Like, the stakes are 778 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 7: really real. 779 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 5: You have to write the paper, You stay up all 780 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 5: night to write the paper for well you didn't go 781 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 5: to college because you're a prodigy, and then write the 782 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 5: paper the night before because you needed the deadline. 783 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 7: No, no, I mean it like I think we're both 784 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 7: referring to like the creative environment where the stakes are 785 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 7: high and very real and there's nowhere else to go. 786 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 7: Like if you had two weeks to do the paper, 787 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 7: you could theoretically start a two weeks out and you 788 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 7: could feel that like, hm, okay, I'm leaning towards something. 789 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 7: What I love is when you're in an environment you 790 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 7: don't know what's about to happen, and you're being asked 791 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 7: to generate in real time a creative response. To me, 792 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 7: that's the most exciting space of creation. 793 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: Provisation one on one, I mean, that's exactly what you're doing. 794 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's also like improvisation at the highest level, because 795 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 7: improvisation one on one could be like, oh, I know 796 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 7: the context, it's going to be this like C Minor blues, 797 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 7: and here's all the scales and the shapes that I prepared. 798 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 7: I'm interested in the stuff that you don't know, Like 799 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 7: you don't know yet what it's going to look like, 800 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 7: you don't know what's coming at you, and you and 801 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 7: you co create in real time. And I think that's 802 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,399 Speaker 7: what the Way showed Quartet did for the world. They 803 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 7: like showed the highest possible level of that, like spontaneous creation, 804 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 7: literally making something from nothing, because they'll go out and 805 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 7: have no idea, they don't have a set, they don't 806 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 7: have a song. 807 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 5: But you learn that shit so you can forget it. 808 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 5: Isn't that that's the big line about that stuff. You 809 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 5: learn C Minor skills and all that other craft. When 810 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 5: you actually get there, you just vacated. 811 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 7: Maybe that said a lot, but I'm having a hard 812 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 7: time thinking of anybody who actually exhibits what the possibility 813 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 7: is at that level. It's like the Way also, I 814 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 7: just I'm like such a devote of wings. I try 815 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 7: to talk about them as much as I can. 816 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 4: Next level, I would like to propose a not a 817 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 4: challenge of missions before you leave god. Okay, okay, are 818 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 4: you familiar with Are you familiar with dogma ninety five? 819 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: Have you heard that term? All right, so what is it? 820 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: Dogmen ninety five? 821 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 7: Excited? 822 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 4: So a bunch of Danish filmmakers tired, we're tired of 823 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 4: the French flexing on that. 824 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 1: Oh we're the best filmmakers, We're the most artistic. So 825 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: they about to say, like thee. 826 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 4: So they so they issued a challenge which had all 827 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 4: these restrictions like okay, well then you got to make 828 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 4: a movie on this type of camera with natural lighting, 829 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 4: no soundtracks, nodada, no, edits no. And it was like, 830 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 4: who makes the best product under all these strictions. Then 831 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 4: they're the winner, and they called it Dogmen ninety five. 832 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 4: I would love to see I love them the music 833 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 4: version of that. 834 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 9: Actually, I think there's I think why I think Matthew 835 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 9: Herbert the electronic musician works that way really and also 836 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 9: there's somebody else or somebody else Ohnoon. I don't know 837 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 9: if he still does, but when he first started, he 838 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 9: used to like when at the end of all of 839 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 9: his videos he would have like his little manifesto or whatever, 840 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 9: and it was the list of all all the things 841 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 9: he didn't all of his rules for making music. 842 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 7: See, I think that's a luxury of the privilege though, 843 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 7: like truly, which is cute and beautiful, and. 844 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 5: I I don't hear what you're saying. 845 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 7: I really dig that. I really dig that I do. 846 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 7: And I'm thinking of this documentary that I saw about 847 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 7: the Landfillharmonic of these young people and their music teachers 848 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 7: who were making instruments out of garbage. But because that's 849 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 7: all that had access to and the drive to generate 850 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 7: music was so strong that they're like, Yo, we don't 851 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 7: have tellos, we don't have violins, but we have all 852 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 7: this stuff around us. Let's just make what we need. 853 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 7: And again, like that creative impulse of generating something out 854 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 7: of nothing is incredible. And for those of us who 855 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 7: have like infinite access to these resources, I sort of 856 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 7: feel like it's our responsibility to expand the spread it 857 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 7: and then spread it. If you have all that surplus, 858 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 7: like go find some musicians who are actually trying to 859 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 7: make some ship and like offer your access to them 860 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 7: instead of do it, you do it. I know you 861 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 7: do it. 862 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 4: Sometimes To get out of here, We're going to continue 863 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 4: talking so we can come to terms. 864 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: Everything thank you, Thank you so much. 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