Speaker 1: The volume. Hi everybody, and welcome in to the Wednesday
Speaker 1: Morning podcast. We bring Nick right on once a month
Speaker 1: and he always delivers lifestyle, culture, Basketball, my buddy, just
Speaker 1: good takes. I want to start with some thoughts on
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, the Iowa basketball star and Angel Reese, the
Speaker 1: great player for the national champion LSU Club. Sometimes social
Speaker 1: media is truth serum. People show you their lack of
Speaker 1: discipline by what they post. People show you their politics,
Speaker 1: their leanings, they show you their temper. I'm always amazed
Speaker 1: at people who think they're invisible on Twitter. For the record, folks,
Speaker 1: we have thirty employees now and growing at the volume.
Speaker 1: I've literally not hired people because of how they act
Speaker 1: on social media. Watching the media on this Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: Angel re situation was really striking. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: I think women's basketball is so much better today than
Speaker 1: twenty years ago is because it's feisty and there's a
Speaker 1: little trash talk, and it's a little chippy, and there's
Speaker 1: a little more physicality pushing and shoving from time to time.
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate sign of growth because we've had that
Speaker 1: men's basketball forever. Women's basketball more than any sport in
Speaker 1: this country has improved over twenty five years. More young
Speaker 1: women are being encouraged to be athletes. It's always been cool,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people didn't get it and didn't
Speaker 1: encourage women. When you watch LSU and you watch IOWA,
Speaker 1: the people that rushed to Caitlin Clark's defense because of
Speaker 1: some taunting by Angel Reese time out. That's called one
Speaker 1: road trip for Patrick Beverley. We don't rush to NBA
Speaker 1: men's defense. It's part of au it's part of college basketball,
Speaker 1: it's part of now all basketball. Nobody took a swing,
Speaker 1: Nobody tried to physically intimidate Caitlin Clark, and let's stop there.
Speaker 1: Do you understand to get to the highest levels of
Speaker 1: any form of basketball, women's basketball, do you understand how
Speaker 1: tough you have to be, how resilient you have to be.
Speaker 1: Do you know how competitive Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese
Speaker 1: are since they picked up a basketball, people try to
Speaker 1: intimidate them, box them out, get chippy. That's called basketball.
Speaker 1: I watched Larry Bird track talk and Gary Peyton trash talk.
Speaker 1: If you really respect women, then allow them the same
Speaker 1: freedoms that we allow men. Verbal sparring is part of
Speaker 1: the sport. I watched Doctor j and Larry Bird throw
Speaker 1: punches at each other. It didn't end their careers. They
Speaker 1: were able to overcome it. Ten minutes later, Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: when asked about Angel Reese, I'll read you the quote.
Speaker 1: We're competitive, we show emotions in different way. She's tremendous.
Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for I love her game.
Speaker 1: The way she rebounds, scores the ball incredible. I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of her. Stop pandering. She's okay, She's tough,
Speaker 1: she can handle it. Show the same respect you would
Speaker 1: a guy playing basketball. He can handle some trash talk.
Speaker 1: You know. Years ago, I work with somebody named Christine Leahy.
Speaker 1: She did the herd Line news update and she was
Speaker 1: in like her mid twenties, and LaVar Ball came on
Speaker 1: the show and started took some verbal shots at her.
Speaker 1: Didn't try to physically intimidate her, but took some verbal
Speaker 1: shots at her. And I didn't rush to her defense
Speaker 1: because she immediately landed two or three of her own
Speaker 1: verbal shots, and I didn't want to make her look weak.
Speaker 1: I thought the ultimate sign of respect to either Jason
Speaker 1: McIntyre Christine leahy Joy Taylor is their equals. They can
Speaker 1: handle some sparring and trash talk. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: strong opinions about athletes. Can I not handle a strong
Speaker 1: athlete having an opinion about me. The point is, if
Speaker 1: you really respect women, then you have to respect them
Speaker 1: enough to understand they can handle it. Right, they can
Speaker 1: handle it. Caitlin Clark's fantastic. Angel Reese is fantastic. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about Well, when the last time
Speaker 1: that you saw a winning team taunt a losing player? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. All throughout the college football season. I mean,
Speaker 1: you kidding me? In these rivalries, I remember Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: grabbing his junk on the sideline. I got guys at
Speaker 1: the coin toss talking trash in college football. One of
Speaker 1: the most amazing parts of the women's Final Four. What
Speaker 1: about chippiness, well, intimidation, people trying to get into each
Speaker 1: other's heads. Women's basketball's officially arrived. They can defend themselves.
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's going to come back. She's going to be
Speaker 1: an All American. I will probably be one of the
Speaker 1: favorites to win the national championship. But to get to
Speaker 1: the top of even college sports, college baseball, college women's
Speaker 1: men's basketball, college football, all a wrestling. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: know him, you love him. First things first, what's right
Speaker 1: with Nick Wright? So I was standing in my six
Speaker 1: seven minute preamble to you? Is the ultimate respect to
Speaker 1: women as they can handle themselves, and that Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: is not a lamb to be able to get to
Speaker 1: the highest level of any Division one sport baseball, football, hockey, wrestling,
Speaker 1: women's basketball. You've been mocked, you've been taunted, you've been
Speaker 1: boxed out, you've probably taken a punch. These women are
Speaker 1: feisty and they talk trash. And the ultimate respect isn't
Speaker 1: rushing to their defense, it's realizing they can handle her.
Speaker 1: She's nobody's underdog. Colin Listen, Angel Reese is awesome. Angel
Speaker 1: Reese is Some of the people commenting like, oh who
Speaker 1: is Angel Reese? To trash talk. She was the fourth
Speaker 1: leading scorer in that game. She also set the all
Speaker 1: time record for double doubles in a season, was the
Speaker 1: first team All American, was the MVP of the Goddamn Tournament.
Speaker 1: So Andrew Reese when they win the championships, allowed to
Speaker 1: talk trash if she wants. Now, Caitlyn Clark was the
Speaker 1: best player in the country, and I know for some people,
Speaker 1: because of Angel Reese's race and size, they looked at
Speaker 1: her talking trash different than cait Clark talking trash. It's nonsense,
Speaker 1: and Caitlyn Clark didn't ask for anybody's protection. Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 1: dished it out, knew she could take it the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And what I find so there is the reaction to
Speaker 1: the trash talk with I know you talked about We've
Speaker 1: talked about everywhere. To me, there was there were obviously
Speaker 1: an obvious, massive racial component to who is and who
Speaker 1: is not allowed to trash talk. But then there is
Speaker 1: the what could have been action of the trash talk,
Speaker 1: the bigger story, which is the success of this tournament
Speaker 1: and can women's basketball at the collegiate level become women's
Speaker 1: tennis which is on par if not at times exceeded
Speaker 1: the interest in men's tennis, because we as a country
Speaker 1: have shown we will watch women's sports if there is
Speaker 1: it's not an inherent sexism, like we won't watch women's sports.
Speaker 1: What we need is to feel like we're watching the
Speaker 1: best product possible. And I feel like in tennis, the
Speaker 1: men's serves became so powerful that there wasn't serve and
Speaker 1: volley plus then all of a sudden, Serena comes around
Speaker 1: and you have a massive American starts like a perfect storm.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's a better product, it's more entertaining, all
Speaker 1: of it. Women's college basketball is a better product than
Speaker 1: men's college basketball, Flatland, because the things you need, which
Speaker 1: is consistency of roster, continuity stars, are there in the
Speaker 1: women's college game in a way they're not in the
Speaker 1: men's game. And I think women's college basketball can have
Speaker 1: a huge moment here because that LSU team scored one
Speaker 1: hundred and two points in a regulation college basketball game.
Speaker 1: San Diego State one't going to score one hundred and
Speaker 1: two last night if they got a third half by themselves.
Speaker 1: And no disrespect, but I guess that's a little dispect
Speaker 1: to them. It there is. Just it's a hell of
Speaker 1: a product. The shop making awesome. And yes, we understand
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the same level of athleticism you
Speaker 1: get from the men's game. We can go to the
Speaker 1: NBA for that. And I like the attitudes. I like
Speaker 1: the personalities. I like the stories. I really my daughter
Speaker 1: and my youngest daughter, who's of my two daughters, a
Speaker 1: bigger sports fan, has asked me, you know, why don't
Speaker 1: I watch more women's sports? And I've never had like
Speaker 1: the greatest answer for her. She's nine, and I was like,
Speaker 1: we can go to some w NBA games, but the
Speaker 1: w NBA versus the NBA one is just clearly from
Speaker 1: basketball wise, a superior product. But the female college games
Speaker 1: were awesome. They were. And here's the other part of it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if with n I L. Colin, if there's
Speaker 1: not way more money playing in college then going to
Speaker 1: the w NBA. I wonder if for Caitlin Clark, can
Speaker 1: she not make more money like whatever her sponsors will be,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they prefer she'd be staying in college as long
Speaker 1: as possible because those ratings, more viewers, more everything then
Speaker 1: at the w NBA level. So I think that sport
Speaker 1: can really have a moment right now. I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the men's final four, the women blew
Speaker 1: out ratings. The men's was one of the least watch
Speaker 1: because you had underdogs and between the transfer portal and
Speaker 1: men's college basketball and the one and done culture. You
Speaker 1: can't name any starters. The average college fan this morning
Speaker 1: couldn't name two players for San Diego State and they
Speaker 1: were in the title game. And I do think that
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't completely puncture the NBA. But mobility. Adam
Speaker 1: Silver's always been more concerned about it than I would.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons the Warriors continue
Speaker 1: to get the best TV ratings and the Celtics are
Speaker 1: right behind them is because it's the same group of
Speaker 1: core group of guys for like six years, and that
Speaker 1: really matters. That's why Brooklyn had all these stars and
Speaker 1: terrible ratings. By the way, the Lakers last three years,
Speaker 1: I've had terrible ratings because the rosters constant influx well,
Speaker 1: and the NBA doesn't need to do a better job
Speaker 1: in my opinion of marketing its next generation steps thirty five,
Speaker 1: Lebron's thirty eight, you know what I mean. Durant's an
Speaker 1: old thirty four because of the injuries, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: You're really living ratings wise off a group of players
Speaker 1: who should not still be excellent, you know, they're very
Speaker 1: The fact that Lebron's going on twenty years of super
Speaker 1: high level play and relevance that's borrowed time and now
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna try to transfer that to Brownie, But
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a bet they're making. Well. The
Speaker 1: other thing, what can we take Sometimes I will see
Speaker 1: a business out there with the volume we have over
Speaker 1: thirty employees now, but I'll see a smaller business and
Speaker 1: I'll say, oh, I like what they're doing. So I
Speaker 1: think you see this with big companies all the time.
Speaker 1: They look and see what young ascending companies do. And
Speaker 1: what can the NBA take from college sports? Well, the
Speaker 1: quality isn't close, but the urgency is amazing. And if
Speaker 1: I was Adam Silver, you cannot have seven game first
Speaker 1: round series if you're looking for upsets, which clearly clearly
Speaker 1: the urgency and the sudden death nature of college men's basketball.
Speaker 1: Some of these ratings in the early part of this
Speaker 1: tournament between no name teams get huge numbers. So I
Speaker 1: think if you want to pass the baton from the
Speaker 1: veterans to the kids, you gotta have some shorter series
Speaker 1: where sometimes a young team comes in with hutspun energy
Speaker 1: Memphis and upsets a really good team that now we
Speaker 1: know over time that young team in the NBA won't
Speaker 1: win for a series, but I do think the NBA
Speaker 1: playoffs could use more upsets well, or let me give
Speaker 1: because the counter to the that will always be how
Speaker 1: much more? How much benefit are we getting from less
Speaker 1: revet and less inventory of our most valuable time of
Speaker 1: the year, which is postseason games? Right, Someone give me
Speaker 1: an actual answer why of all sports the NBA has
Speaker 1: not gone to drafting your playoff opponent. You want the
Speaker 1: regular season and matter if you are the one seed,
Speaker 1: if you are denber, if you have earned it. Once
Speaker 1: the field is set, you pick who you play. That
Speaker 1: would be a massive reward. And if you're the two seed,
Speaker 1: you get you get to pick next. As opposed to
Speaker 1: what we're gonna have happened, which is now, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna have I can't it's gonna be
Speaker 1: unbelievable to watch. In these final one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: hours of the season, the Lakers have been fighting like
Speaker 1: hell to avoid play in and now, honest to God,
Speaker 1: I believe they might on the final day of the
Speaker 1: season be the sixth seed and risk falling back into
Speaker 1: the play in to avoid moving up to the five,
Speaker 1: where they have to play Phoenix. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the Lakers, Warriors, Clippers in like this
Speaker 1: staring contest of who wants to play, like who wants
Speaker 1: to guarantee they're not in the play in. But if
Speaker 1: you do that and the other two teams take the
Speaker 1: night off, you now all of a sudden, congrat you
Speaker 1: avoid the play And here's Kevin Ryan and Devin Booker
Speaker 1: in round one. Let these teams draft their playoff opponent.
Speaker 1: It would so let me get in the East a
Speaker 1: team that I know you've liked historically, Boston. Boston has
Speaker 1: been better than Philly. Boston has not, over the course
Speaker 1: of the year, been better than Milwaukee, but they did
Speaker 1: beat them twice by forty points. You know what, Boston's
Speaker 1: big reward for their season is gonna be Miami in
Speaker 1: round one. Congratulateuculations Boston. You know what I mean? Yeah, Philly,
Speaker 1: who's been worse than them. Philly's gonna get a shell
Speaker 1: of a Brooklyn team. And it's like, Okay, Mikail Bridge
Speaker 1: is a nice player, but that's fine, that's absurd, It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Let and that would add Injurgue and it would add
Speaker 1: import to the regular season, and every first round series
Speaker 1: would feel like a grudge match because the team would
Speaker 1: be like, you picked us, Why did you pick us right?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you be it? So I wish they would
Speaker 1: do that. I've encouraged that for all across all sports,
Speaker 1: but nobody, the leaguees don't want to do it. Well.
Speaker 1: I do think they're gonna do a mid season tournament
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I think what's happening. Analytics, to be honest,
Speaker 1: do not always help sports. In baseball, it slowed the
Speaker 1: sport down right. It was home runs, it was strikeout.
Speaker 1: It was like does anybody hit a single anymore? So
Speaker 1: they finally got rid of the end by the way,
Speaker 1: more singles, more stolen bases, more plays at the plate,
Speaker 1: more action. The ratings are up, the games are better,
Speaker 1: more of everything. But I do think the NBA, the
Speaker 1: analytics are telling general managers rest your stars because this
Speaker 1: sport is so taxing. So in baseball, you go into
Speaker 1: a town and you hang out for four days and
Speaker 1: a third of the team doesn't play. They're in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: But in basketball and hockey, and especially basketball, because you're
Speaker 1: not on the ice for forty five seconds, then off
Speaker 1: a player who's abnormally large anyway, right, Like a seven
Speaker 1: foot one guy who travels, going to be harder for him,
Speaker 1: regardless of the plane. So he's going to play forty
Speaker 1: minutes both ends, burn through seven thousand calories, get on
Speaker 1: a plane, land in a city at four in the morning,
Speaker 1: go to bed, quickly, get up, shoot around. Frankly, have
Speaker 1: you seen old basketball players. They're all ben over, they
Speaker 1: all look like hell. So the analytics are telling you
Speaker 1: play stars less. So even though this minimum number of
Speaker 1: games for awards sounds like on its spaces, it will
Speaker 1: solve it for a veteran player, He's not gonna a
Speaker 1: veteran glass by the way, Yannis, he doesn't care about
Speaker 1: awards anymore. He wants to be healthy for the Celtics play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a solve. It is because
Speaker 1: it's the constant conflict between the GM and this cross sports.
Speaker 1: The GM slash head coach whose only incentive and obligation
Speaker 1: is winning an ownership in the league, who theoretically should
Speaker 1: only incentive should be we're an entertainment product. How do
Speaker 1: we maximize our entertainment value? Like the only thing I
Speaker 1: could compare it to is the schedule. I live in
Speaker 1: New York City. The Broadway schedule is insane. You get
Speaker 1: Monday's off, still do seven shows a week. Hey, they're
Speaker 1: two and a half hour shows, right, and a lot
Speaker 1: of these. There's a show I went to with my
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter's a senior in high school. She's
Speaker 1: a theater major. It's what she wants to go into.
Speaker 1: Show called Funny Girl, the Fanny Bright Story. The main character,
Speaker 1: the star of it now is this girl from Glee
Speaker 1: who is legitimately fuhnomenal. And the moment she signed up
Speaker 1: to do it, tickets through the roof. They you know,
Speaker 1: they announced she's not doing Thursdays or whatever, but she's
Speaker 1: doing every other show they do. My guess is I
Speaker 1: can't prove this, but she probably would be slightly better
Speaker 1: if she was only doing three shows a week. But
Speaker 1: Broadway understands our entire purpose is entertainment. We're not competing,
Speaker 1: you know, we are here to entertain the audience therefore
Speaker 1: make money. So you are out there every single night.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if if Broadway had the same type
Speaker 1: of thing in the NBA, It's like, well, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we've looked at it, and she's really only going to
Speaker 1: be able to peak performers on three days a week,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to tell the audience any idea
Speaker 1: what three days those are going to be until they
Speaker 1: show up and to kill him. And so I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I don't know what the solve is.
Speaker 1: The NBA keeps trying to do it, but I don't
Speaker 1: think Adam Silver is quite a harsh enough hand to
Speaker 1: force it because he's in a partnership with the players.
Speaker 1: But this does go ahead because I have a different question,
Speaker 1: But go ahead, well, because I don't think there is
Speaker 1: a solve, and that's okay. NASCAR's audience is old. Every
Speaker 1: sport has a hole and a problem. NASCAR's sport is old.
Speaker 1: How solvable is it. NFL's got a concussion issue, it's
Speaker 1: grown men tackling each other. It's not going away. Baseball's
Speaker 1: got a pace issue and a lack of scarcity. There's
Speaker 1: a billion games that's not going away. Hockey relevance. Gretzky
Speaker 1: helped a little briefly college basketball one and done culture.
Speaker 1: The truth is the NBA problem like every sport. Cricket
Speaker 1: had a pace problem, Soccer, there's just so few elite
Speaker 1: players that if you get one and you face teams
Speaker 1: that don't have one, you just dominate for a decade.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel bad for the NBA because it
Speaker 1: I think you can mitigate some of the issues, but
Speaker 1: every sport has an issue. This is really the primary
Speaker 1: one for the NBA stars sitting you won't completely solve it,
Speaker 1: but I think like concussions, less hitting in practice, better helmets,
Speaker 1: it will take out about thirty percent of it. And
Speaker 1: for the record, if you give me thirty percent more
Speaker 1: stars playing, it won't be on talk shows because they've
Speaker 1: got a ten years ago and it was never a
Speaker 1: topic that you know that's correct, all right. One. I
Speaker 1: don't know where else you want to go, but when
Speaker 1: you're talking about college basketball and then resting guys brought
Speaker 1: me to something that I mentioned on TV today that
Speaker 1: I want your thoughts on. All right. So everyone saw
Speaker 1: the Victor winban Yama highlight. The seven foot five alien
Speaker 1: did a step back three missed it, went and got
Speaker 1: his own dun got his own put back dune. I
Speaker 1: also saw a video of the pregame workout he does
Speaker 1: for his feet. He does like these foot stretched things
Speaker 1: to whatever to try to keep his feed healthy. And
Speaker 1: then I saw this quote from a Western Comers general
Speaker 1: manager saying, we're all gonna feel like idiots for not
Speaker 1: tanking for this guy. I am quietly very concerned, and
Speaker 1: my entirety, the entire reason for my concern is literally,
Speaker 1: never have I ever seen someone taller than seven three
Speaker 1: not be ravaged by injuries ever, not once. And this
Speaker 1: guy is going to be playing on the perimeter yea,
Speaker 1: with on that type of wear and tear. Colin, I
Speaker 1: don't care how far back we have to go. Ralph
Speaker 1: Sampson his feet killed him, Rick Smith's or Vitas Sabonis
Speaker 1: Yao Ming Sam Booth And I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was seven that's quite as tall. But yeah, Greg Odin
Speaker 1: who wasn't quite as tall. Durant even had the Jones
Speaker 1: fracture and now seems to be breaking down a little
Speaker 1: porzingis all of them? Forget the super tall guys you
Speaker 1: met minute Ball and some of those guys that dealt
Speaker 1: with some tragic stuff. I everyone is talking that people
Speaker 1: are like, he would go number one in the draft
Speaker 1: if Lebron were in it. Guys. The thing is, I
Speaker 1: get it. If you tell me, Wimben Yama's gonna be
Speaker 1: healthy for fifteen years. Yeah, he's one of the three
Speaker 1: greatest prospects ever, maybe the best prospect ever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I have seen I am so when chet was
Speaker 1: coming out, I was like, Yeah, it's the skinniest player
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and we got wild and Brew killed
Speaker 1: me for it on the show. I was like, skinniest
Speaker 1: player I've ever seen. He played one summer league game
Speaker 1: against Lebron and we've never do We've never seen him yet.
Speaker 1: Since then, Wimby concerns me because when you're so tall,
Speaker 1: your agent is lying about your height in the other direction.
Speaker 1: Alarm bells go off for me because I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I just what makes him so special is what would
Speaker 1: terrify me. And here is the reason I was thinking
Speaker 1: about it. Team. Have the Pelicans helped or hurt Zion?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know they've been as cautious as possible.
Speaker 1: He's played one hundred and twenty games in four years.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can tell me if they were, you know,
Speaker 1: more old school with him, he's he'd be out of
Speaker 1: the league by now. Hard time believing it. I think
Speaker 1: maybe that the being so cautious with everything with him
Speaker 1: has not been the best for him. I can totally
Speaker 1: see the same thing happening with this kid. He comes
Speaker 1: into the league, has a little minor thing, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: give it six weeks. Like, I don't know. It makes
Speaker 1: me nervous. It makes me nervous. Yeah. Yeah. We just
Speaker 1: recently came to terms with size matters for quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: remember pushing back on Kyler Murray and like, guys, he's
Speaker 1: significantly smaller than everybody else, Russell Wilson, anybody's ever been.
Speaker 1: And I remember very early an All Pro defensive lineman
Speaker 1: in the NFL who I know played him year one
Speaker 1: and said, brother, he's not going to be in this
Speaker 1: league seven years. He does not like to get hit.
Speaker 1: He goes, I hit him, he wins. Does that worry
Speaker 1: about absolutely? But I have another theory on that. So
Speaker 1: people were very uncomfortable. I didn't like Baker Mayfield. I said,
Speaker 1: as a one, he's too small. He's not that. So
Speaker 1: we're coming to terms with Drew Brees was the outlier
Speaker 1: that size matters and quarterbacks. I said the same thing
Speaker 1: about chat Holmgren. I said, if I had one pick,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him. But Oklahoma City had so many picks,
Speaker 1: so he's such a physical uniform unicorn. You owe it
Speaker 1: to yourself to take take the take the fire. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it. I just I don't like most or least,
Speaker 1: biggest or smallest anything basically, right, Yeah, I like that,
Speaker 1: and I know I can get burnt on it. But
Speaker 1: this is and I'm curious what your theory on Bryce is.
Speaker 1: Because Bryce is clearly the best on film prospect, it's
Speaker 1: not even arguable. But then I'm like, wait, they're saying
Speaker 1: he's thinner than Guyler. I don't know if I think
Speaker 1: he might be undraftable for me, Like he's so small,
Speaker 1: so I that he's too small, like the biggest and
Speaker 1: the smallest just concerns me. I want to see someone
Speaker 1: else do it first. What's your theory on Bryce? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So my theory is you can't treat every investment like
Speaker 1: a four oh one K. So a four oh one
Speaker 1: K you put money into and never take it out
Speaker 1: until you retire. But you can also day trade stocks.
Speaker 1: You can buy stuff and sell it. You can flip houses.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of equities and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: investments that aren't built for long term, and those are
Speaker 1: also excellent investments. So not every quarterback you draft is
Speaker 1: built for ten years. But if Carolina said to themselves, listen,
Speaker 1: our doctors say you're going to get three really good
Speaker 1: years out of him and buy year four Hill deteriorate
Speaker 1: to stabilize the organization, wouldn't you still take him? Oh
Speaker 1: that's interesting, it's ye. So what you don't want to
Speaker 1: be in the NFL is Indianapolis a wreck. But in
Speaker 1: that division in the NFC, Frank Reich's a good coach,
Speaker 1: you bring him and by the second year you draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the sixth round. The third year you
Speaker 1: draft one in the fourth round, the fourth year you
Speaker 1: draft one in the second. The Patriots every other year
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback with Brady. There's an argument to be
Speaker 1: made you should draft a quarterback every year anyway. But
Speaker 1: if you believe Bryce is the best quarterback, and if
Speaker 1: you just got three years, which for any size is small,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think two is going into the year four.
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say realistically, Kyler gives you two more
Speaker 1: years and then retires and goes, I'm done. Well, you
Speaker 1: had Josh Rosen and everybody was getting fired and Kyler
Speaker 1: got into the playoffs. And so it's like, Chet Holmgren,
Speaker 1: if you told me where you're gonna get four really
Speaker 1: good years from him, forty percent of the first round
Speaker 1: of the NBA is a bust. So that's interesting that
Speaker 1: it's just you're looking at it as and three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would just three years, I
Speaker 1: think that would concern me. But if you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's going to give you his full rookie contract,
Speaker 1: his fifth year option and one franchise tag and you're
Speaker 1: never gonna have to give him the massive deal and
Speaker 1: you're going to instantly be relevant, have the quarterback on
Speaker 1: the route on the cheap deal, That's something I've never
Speaker 1: really considered that idea, but that I just and by
Speaker 1: the way, and maybe he defies the odds. Maybe he
Speaker 1: is Drew Brees, and you know, because he is so
Speaker 1: accurate and seems like such a good kid, it just
Speaker 1: seems like so small in a big man's game. You
Speaker 1: mentioned the Colts and you asked me on the show
Speaker 1: today about Lamar, would you Peter King said that he
Speaker 1: believes that the Ravens would just give you Lamar straight
Speaker 1: up for the fourth pick. Would you do that if
Speaker 1: you were Indie? Just a four pick for Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: number four overall pick this year's draft. You give them that,
Speaker 1: and you gotta give Lamar deal. Peter King says he
Speaker 1: thinks the Ravens would say yes today, They wouldn't try
Speaker 1: to match. They wouldn't fourth overall pick Lamar straight up
Speaker 1: if I would hurt me, yes, because I think in
Speaker 1: the NFC he would dominate. In the AFC, he'll make
Speaker 1: you very viable. And and I also think that Indies
Speaker 1: in a situation now we're at best. They're going to
Speaker 1: get the third best quarterback unless somebody leaps them in
Speaker 1: a bad quarterback class or Lamar jack Lamar Jackson, and
Speaker 1: you just and you can take a deep breath and
Speaker 1: say we're off this damn treadmill. So I think the
Speaker 1: Lamar conversation has been so I don't know that any
Speaker 1: conversation has ever frustrated me more because it it seems
Speaker 1: like to me obvious where he is as a player.
Speaker 1: He is clearly not a top five quarterback in football,
Speaker 1: just clearly not. And I understand anyone of unanimous MVP
Speaker 1: get it. I understand that some of the folks will
Speaker 1: be like, here are just his passing stats, not his
Speaker 1: rushing stats. I'm like, honestly, I give a shit. I
Speaker 1: watched the games. I know he's not a great passer.
Speaker 1: I know he's not. I know there are you know, Mahomes, Burrow,
Speaker 1: Trevor Herbert, Allen, those five guys are better than him.
Speaker 1: I understand Justin Herbert doesn't. If Justin Herbert were, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can have him for two first round picks. There
Speaker 1: is somebody would offer him a contract. By now. I
Speaker 1: know this to be true. Right, there's those five guys, right.
Speaker 1: I also know that right now, if you're actually ranking
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going down the list, Dak Prescott's like tenth and Dak.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar is better than Dak. You might say
Speaker 1: Dak Beret and Lamar whatever it is worse. Lamar's the
Speaker 1: tenth best quarterback. So he's not one of the absolute
Speaker 1: no brainers. He's still better than twenty starters. So, like,
Speaker 1: let's all take a deep breath. Teams are so desperate
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks to give Daniel Jones forty million a year
Speaker 1: for four years. So again, so is he perfect? No?
Speaker 1: Is he hurting? Himself by not having an agent. I
Speaker 1: think unquestionably yes, is it frustrating that he hasn't the
Speaker 1: passing wise, he's actually awesome as some of the really
Speaker 1: hard stuff. It's the layups that he's not great at,
Speaker 1: has never gotten great at. And it's frustrating. Sure, But
Speaker 1: does it still seem baffling to me that a team
Speaker 1: like Detroit isn't like hm, we damn near me the
Speaker 1: playoffs with Jared Goff. We have extra first round picks.
Speaker 1: We're in the soft conference, in a division that next
Speaker 1: year the most established quarterback is going to be Kirk Cousins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll pay Lamar Jackson and maybe go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Even though he's not perfect. I do think there's something else.
Speaker 1: So we both admit his unorthodox personal representation hurts and
Speaker 1: that the injuries really hurt. There is a third thing
Speaker 1: that an executive in the league told me about a
Speaker 1: year ago is that if you bring him in, you
Speaker 1: better go find a backup that works for him if
Speaker 1: he gets hurt. And it's a different offense than your
Speaker 1: typical offense, so you've got to make some real staff changes.
Speaker 1: And if he's a franchise guy, you got to sign,
Speaker 1: you got to bring in a whole new group. And
Speaker 1: it's almost like in our space, there's people that do
Speaker 1: play by play, and there's people that are analysts, and
Speaker 1: then there's guys like you and I that are opinionists
Speaker 1: and generalists. What we don't work doing games or hosting
Speaker 1: a show, right, you have to bring in people who
Speaker 1: create topics for you and I. So Lamar is unique
Speaker 1: and that he's not your classic drop pack, but he's
Speaker 1: a better thrower than you think. He does have an
Speaker 1: injury issue one of them, kind of freaky in the pocket,
Speaker 1: but he's got such a dynamic style of which you
Speaker 1: should absolutely lean into that there is a okay if
Speaker 1: we bring him in an indie Okay, Shane Steiken, what
Speaker 1: do you have to do to your staff to do this?
Speaker 1: And so now I'm not saying there aren't a lot
Speaker 1: of things you can't do with Lamar you can do
Speaker 1: with other quarterbacks, but he is such I listen. I
Speaker 1: talked to Sean Payton about Russell Wilson when he was
Speaker 1: not the Broncos coach, and I said, what would you do?
Speaker 1: And he said, I'd get him back to playing basketball
Speaker 1: on grass. He goes Russell's at his best playing basketball
Speaker 1: on grass. Well, that's not Drew Brees. So you're literally
Speaker 1: bringing in staff and people and personnel that work with
Speaker 1: basketball on grass. So mars that to I would say,
Speaker 1: an even hyper version of that. So he's a very
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is the downside to unique
Speaker 1: is that you have to build people to support unique, correct,
Speaker 1: and it's not as easy, none of it's That's why Listen.
Speaker 1: Do I think the league as a whole doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do guaranteed deals? Obviously? Do I think the owners
Speaker 1: might be, you know, at the owners meetings asking around,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not doing guaranteed We're not We're
Speaker 1: not going down there. You know the Brown screwed us,
Speaker 1: We're not going further. Sure, So do I think there
Speaker 1: is that level of collusion if you sure? But as
Speaker 1: I said before, if Trevor Lawrence, we're done with his contract,
Speaker 1: franchise tagged, and for the whole league, it was like
Speaker 1: Trevor was like, Hey, I want a fully guaranteed deal
Speaker 1: and it's gonna cost two first round picks. Five of
Speaker 1: these teams would have said, I don't care who gets
Speaker 1: mad at me? I'm doing. So part of the reason
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a hot Lamar market is because of
Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about. There are some limitations
Speaker 1: and it is not simple, but there is still a
Speaker 1: massive instant upside, particularly for an NFC team where going
Speaker 1: into next year the best quarterback in the conference. I
Speaker 1: think Jalen Hurts has earned that, but he's only shown
Speaker 1: to us for one year, and then after that it's
Speaker 1: Kirk and sorry, it's Stafford coming off an injury, or
Speaker 1: Dak or whomever. We have no idea, and so that
Speaker 1: part of it is it is. And my theory on
Speaker 1: that is I think most of these teams are waiting
Speaker 1: until after the draft because if you're like, if we
Speaker 1: sign Lamar, we're going to be better, So our pick
Speaker 1: in the future years will be worse than the pick
Speaker 1: this year, so might as well spend our you know,
Speaker 1: use our pick this year, and then the two first
Speaker 1: round picks we'd have to give up are going to
Speaker 1: be in the twenties or whatever it is. I also
Speaker 1: think when I saw the report that the Patriots were
Speaker 1: shop mac Jones, that I'd keep an eye on Belichick.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad I've brought that up. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: and I'm going to use our business again as a
Speaker 1: comp So you were given a shot at FS one
Speaker 1: and you have succeeded. But it does matter that you've
Speaker 1: had success as your first big syndicated cable opportunity. If
Speaker 1: you would have failed, there's a chance you would have
Speaker 1: never gotten a second opportunity, right, same for me at
Speaker 1: ESPN Radio. If I tank, i'm my careers, I go
Speaker 1: back to doing local radio, and there's a big gap
Speaker 1: between local and where I've ascended to. So Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: I defend. I disagree with Eric Mangini on this. So
Speaker 1: Belichick is still pissed off that Mac Jones sought help
Speaker 1: outside of the building last year when they gave him
Speaker 1: Joe Judge as a quarterback coach and Matt Patricia as
Speaker 1: a coordinator. And I thought, had I gone to ESPN
Speaker 1: because in the NFL, Drew Brees is an outlier. You
Speaker 1: bomb in the first one star quarterback, you don't get
Speaker 1: a second chance. Mostly so, and this isn't Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: who did star in Houston, had personal issues, but what
Speaker 1: we knew he could play, So had I gone to
Speaker 1: ESPN replacing Tony Kornheiser, and they would have given me
Speaker 1: a sales guy to help with content, not taking it seriously.
Speaker 1: And I bitched to my boss and he wouldn't listen.
Speaker 1: My only out would have been delete it to the press.
Speaker 1: What a shit show management was. So I told Mangini,
Speaker 1: I understand there's this sense that, well, mac Jones, he's
Speaker 1: not allowed at this point in his career and might
Speaker 1: take away his time out, time out, time out. His
Speaker 1: career is three years, uf it up. He's going to
Speaker 1: be viewed as insignificant and people will never give him
Speaker 1: a franchise job again. So they literally Belichick takes this
Speaker 1: big wild zany swing Max, like the hell you're doing that,
Speaker 1: I'm a quarterback. Nobody else has to deal with this,
Speaker 1: and he starts leaking shit right, he's losing the locker room.
Speaker 1: So the mac Jones situation's interesting is that I kind
Speaker 1: of I thought of my ESPN days. I thought, the
Speaker 1: hell do you do if this iconic coach is effing you? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I hear you. Let me give the counterpoint to that,
Speaker 1: because you're right that if you had failed to ESPN,
Speaker 1: your career goes differently or whatever. But I also know
Speaker 1: enough about the business and know enough of where you
Speaker 1: were when you got that job. You were not quite
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. You were closer at that point to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: You were going to get a huge opportunity somewhere and
Speaker 1: had massive success at a bunch of places. What listen
Speaker 1: I said for I'm not trying to be humble here
Speaker 1: because I said for years before you knew me, that
Speaker 1: I was the second best radio guy in the country.
Speaker 1: I was twenty seven years old saying it, saying second
Speaker 1: only to you. So I always believed I was extraordinary,
Speaker 1: but I was just kind of doing okay ratings wise
Speaker 1: in Houston. When I got the shot on at FS one,
Speaker 1: I was not the first overall pick, just like Mac wasn't.
Speaker 1: And so let you if you are Bill Belichick in
Speaker 1: this example, and I am Mac Jones and you say
Speaker 1: I Colin Coward, successful for twenty years, I want you
Speaker 1: to come work with me. Trust me, Nick. I know
Speaker 1: it might not make a lot of sense to you,
Speaker 1: but I need you to follow this. And my first
Speaker 1: year doing it, I overachieved, and my second year, Ye're like,
Speaker 1: I want to try some new things, and I'm out
Speaker 1: there trademark in my name doing the gritty after segments,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, fuck this old man. Know anything,
Speaker 1: I got my career to think about. You might be like,
Speaker 1: your career exists because of me, asshole? What do you
Speaker 1: do it? And when I when I put you on
Speaker 1: the bench and I had someone else hosting Zappy, all
Speaker 1: of our ratings went up. So maybe you need to
Speaker 1: go work somewhere else and see see how that works
Speaker 1: for you. So I understand that the that Mac maybe
Speaker 1: was frustrated. I also understand Belichick maybe thinking, Buddy, you
Speaker 1: can't throw the ball thirty five yards in the air.
Speaker 1: I can't trust you throw a hail Mary. So did
Speaker 1: I maybe make a mistake with the having the special
Speaker 1: team's coach and the astrophysicists be your offensive coordinator? Sure
Speaker 1: do I need you constantly showing up my coaches, throwing things,
Speaker 1: yelling at people when you have not been part of
Speaker 1: the solution. And the thing that really hurts Mac. And
Speaker 1: there's the point I keep making on the show. The
Speaker 1: Patriots had two games last year where they scored twenty
Speaker 1: eight points. They were the two Bailey's Appy starts. It
Speaker 1: sound like those games, Josh McDaniels came back for a
Speaker 1: cameo appearance. Who's the same stabs, the same everything. And
Speaker 1: so I also think Belichick knows well he should know.
Speaker 1: Even if Mac reaches his full potential, will it will
Speaker 1: be a day in his life. Mac Jones is better
Speaker 1: than Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Herbert Lamar, if he stays Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Now we're at six in his conference, DeShawn. If DeShawn
Speaker 1: ever comes back, who knows, you know, comes back to
Speaker 1: where he was? If you know, there's Russell Wilson, There's
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. There's two of guys who all they're upside
Speaker 1: that they have shown in their careers. Are there is
Speaker 1: a possibility his best case scenario is eighth the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in his own conference. I'd be looking for an
Speaker 1: up grade, you know what I mean? I would if
Speaker 1: I were Bill, and maybe Mac wants it. I don't
Speaker 1: think Mac is a special talent, and so I could
Speaker 1: be wrong on that. I just I've never watched them
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, that guy's got it. I've never thought
Speaker 1: that that was good pushback. You probably won that one.
Speaker 1: Well that's just because I called Ju Belichick and I
Speaker 1: was Mac Jones and that's that's easy to win the debates.
Speaker 1: I just played the people's ego and never lose them.
Speaker 1: So you have been, by the way, you're in New
Speaker 1: York City. I don't know if you could hear the
Speaker 1: pro trunk. Can I tell you something interesting real quick
Speaker 1: about that. New York is fascinating in this regard. So
Speaker 1: I didn't live here. When was the Super Bowl here
Speaker 1: a decade ago? I don't know. I was here for
Speaker 1: the game, but I didn't live here. Obviously. I was
Speaker 1: doing local radio in Houston, and we came and did
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and every all the New Yorkers. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that's because the actual games in Jersey. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's what I didn't know. But they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't tell the games going on. It doesn't it's
Speaker 1: not Super Bowl week. It's just a week in New
Speaker 1: York City. Man, When I tell you that, every part
Speaker 1: of today in New York City felt like every other
Speaker 1: day I've been in New York City. Now I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I'm sure at the courthouse it felt like a big thing,
Speaker 1: but and in the surrounding few block area. But there
Speaker 1: is a weird part and a kind of today to
Speaker 1: me and I'm not a New Yorker. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: lived your six and a half years now, but it's
Speaker 1: not where I'm from, you know, I'm from Kansas City.
Speaker 1: That it did feel kind of cool that you're in
Speaker 1: a city that has so much going on with so
Speaker 1: many people, that an unprecedented historic political criminal event thing
Speaker 1: is happening thirty blocks a twelve minute bike right from
Speaker 1: where I was, and there was no sign of it.
Speaker 1: There was, you know what I mean, there was, there
Speaker 1: was nothing. New York's a weird place like that like that.
Speaker 1: Just the city just keeps moving no matter what's going
Speaker 1: on anywhere else in the city. When you're a city
Speaker 1: the size of New York. In LA, the only thing
Speaker 1: people generally suffer from simultaneously is horrific weather. Yeah, we were,
Speaker 1: you were, we were all in LA going, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: twenty eight straight days of rain. Where's the art? It
Speaker 1: means insane, right like? And New York's had, you know,
Speaker 1: like blizzards and that kind of stuff. No, the Trump
Speaker 1: stuff is, um you know, I saw sixty minutes did
Speaker 1: an interview, which, by the way, they've interviewed terrorists, so
Speaker 1: I would not schedule. Um, you know Taylor Green. Taylor Green, Yeah, MTG.
Speaker 1: I would not have. But they've interviewed terrorists, so it's
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to shine the light on ignorance. So
Speaker 1: but my takeaway is the ratings were down like thirty
Speaker 1: five sent so sixteen minutes took a controversial stand and
Speaker 1: it backfired. And the truth is she's not interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean for sixty minutes to lose thirteen percent of their audience.
Speaker 1: Is that even though you could take a very popular,
Speaker 1: polarizing figure like Tucker Carlson and he may win cable,
Speaker 1: if you introduced him at Yankee Stadium, he would be
Speaker 1: booed out of the stadium. Is that Twitter is not
Speaker 1: real life, Social media is not, and either is cable television.
Speaker 1: Is that what creates clicks? Most people don't want to
Speaker 1: watch wildly, wildly polarizing figures and are not rooting for
Speaker 1: him and Trump. If you're still clinging to Trump, Democrats
Speaker 1: aren't statistically, independence aren't, moderates aren't, and a lot of
Speaker 1: Republicans aren't. But if you go to Twitter, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: he's been reborn. The Biden team is praying he's who
Speaker 1: they face. See. So it's so this is a fascinating
Speaker 1: political thing. And this is where I think, and this
Speaker 1: is where maybe I'm glad I'm not in this business,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I feel like i'd be good in politics.
Speaker 1: I want to run for office. My wife tells me
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to run for office. I also feel
Speaker 1: then sometimes I'm like, I'm so glad I'm not involved
Speaker 1: in it. But it is a tough line to walk
Speaker 1: from some of the folks. So the Lincoln Project, for example,
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of I think deserved criticism lately
Speaker 1: for trying to walk these two lines simultaneously. Trump is
Speaker 1: a unique threat to American democracy, our way of life,
Speaker 1: unique in a way no politician we've ever had has
Speaker 1: ever been walking that line and also pretty clearly walking
Speaker 1: that line. God, we hope he gets the nomination because
Speaker 1: he'll be easier to beat, Like well, hold on, like
Speaker 1: wait wait a minute, just wait a second here, because
Speaker 1: I might also think he would be easier to beat
Speaker 1: than DeSantis. Now the more stories are reading about how
Speaker 1: DeSantis eats chocolate pudding and treats people, maybe he's not
Speaker 1: ready for the national stage either. Well, I'm not certain,
Speaker 1: but you can't I don't think you can say you
Speaker 1: can simultaneously say this one guy is going to wreck
Speaker 1: the country forever. Also, we want him to come as
Speaker 1: close as he can to the presidency, so the guy
Speaker 1: we want to win wins. That strikes me as a
Speaker 1: little contradictory in certain ways. Can I say some about
Speaker 1: the sixty minutes thing? So this was where I thought
Speaker 1: the preemptive criticism was insane, and then, despite being insane,
Speaker 1: ended up being correct. I thought the same thing you
Speaker 1: thought when they were like, we're interviewing Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, how could you give her a platform?
Speaker 1: How dare you have the same thing? I'm like, didn't
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace talk to the Ayatollah? What didn't I see
Speaker 1: that thing? Yes, I'm like, and this isn't that considered
Speaker 1: like the greatest, like one of the greatest television journalism
Speaker 1: moments ever. So I'm thinking, I'm like, everybody calmed down
Speaker 1: and before criticizing something before you see it. The idea
Speaker 1: of great journalism is shining a light, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I would there's a lot of horrible
Speaker 1: figures that I would really like to see an interview with,
Speaker 1: assuming where it is going to be done. In my eyes, properly.
Speaker 1: And then this lady said, you know, she's asked, you know,
Speaker 1: why do you call Democrats pedophiles? And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: essentially because they are. And the response is wow. And
Speaker 1: then they move on and I'm like, oh, the critics
Speaker 1: were right, you totally. You're like, what are you doing, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, if you're gonna do one
Speaker 1: of these interviews with someone, and again, this is not
Speaker 1: I know you have a ton of a ton of
Speaker 1: viewers of this, of all political stripes, so I am
Speaker 1: this is not an attack on conservatives. It is an
Speaker 1: attack on Marjorie Taylor Green. If you think Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 1: Green should be the next vice president of the United States,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna like me because I think you're crazy.
Speaker 1: So like that, I'm just the If you're gonna interview
Speaker 1: someone in that extreme, you have to be ready for
Speaker 1: it to be confrontational enough that they leave that they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, angry, pissed off and walk out. It can't
Speaker 1: be at the end of it, you're like, smile and
Speaker 1: shake hands in my you know what I mean, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, and if you want to go to the
Speaker 1: other side of it, if if there was a democratic
Speaker 1: politician who had raised a significant prominence as she has,
Speaker 1: who's their platform was if you have over two hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars in the bank, we should come to your
Speaker 1: house and burn you that. You know what that person
Speaker 1: we should you should treat like a lunatic, and you should,
Speaker 1: and you should excoriate, But it doesn't mean you shouldn't
Speaker 1: talk to them. So I was disappointed because I thought
Speaker 1: everyone criticizing the fact that they were doing the interview
Speaker 1: was wrong. But then the interview ended up they didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they did a great job with it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Yah no, sixty minutes it had
Speaker 1: terrorists on. So my take is Leslie Stall probably wasn't
Speaker 1: the person that should have been assigned to the story. Correct.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel having seen it. I didn't say
Speaker 1: that I think that warrant, but having seen it, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, something you need sometimes you need confrontational journalists, yes,
Speaker 1: and something like that. The you, but there should I
Speaker 1: don't think it should just be we'll never talk to
Speaker 1: this person and pretend it's one thing to be like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to give a platform just someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't have them. You know what I mean, like some
Speaker 1: some right white supremacist Twitter troll. Yeah, why give them
Speaker 1: a platform? This person is a prominent member of the
Speaker 1: United States Congress. Right, they have a platform. They're ignoring them.
Speaker 1: Is not going to make them go away? Very good, Nick, Right,
Speaker 1: that was boy, that was fifty minutes of fun. I
Speaker 1: have some questions here. There's no need. This was about
Speaker 1: you want to ask them? Okay, all right, by the way,
Speaker 1: just real quick, but so we don't have to end
Speaker 1: on politics. Just three minutes here before I right now
Speaker 1: this moment. Have you do you have a lean headed
Speaker 1: into the NBA playoffs. Um, I'm gonna say Boston matches
Speaker 1: up with Milwaukee. But somehow I think when given equal rest,
Speaker 1: I don't think the last game Celtics Bux is fair.
Speaker 1: They come off a wild shootout. Drew Holliday went from
Speaker 1: fifty one points to set. I'll say Milwaukee in seven over,
Speaker 1: Boston gets to the East, gets to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: Wiggins is in shape, but he's not in game shape.
Speaker 1: Sacramento is actually a really good first round matchup for
Speaker 1: them because they know Mike Brown's tendencies the coach. They're
Speaker 1: deep at guard, can throw a lot at Daron Fox.
Speaker 1: No experience against the most experienced playoff team, so I
Speaker 1: do think and the travel for an old team like
Speaker 1: the Warriors, the travels a bus ride, there's some there's
Speaker 1: some unique. That's what Raymond said. Draymond said he likes
Speaker 1: that matchup. Yeah, because of the t Yeah, so it's unique.
Speaker 1: If they get Sacramento and Wiggins gives you sixteen and
Speaker 1: Comingo gives you another twenty, I think they escape that
Speaker 1: Phoenix in the first round and Wiggins is just not
Speaker 1: ready to play twenty eight minutes. I don't think they
Speaker 1: can do it because Steve Kerr said Wiggins is in shape,
Speaker 1: but he's not in game shape. And by the way,
Speaker 1: big difference between game shape and NBA playoff second round
Speaker 1: game shape. So I think if they get Sacramento and
Speaker 1: Wiggins can kind of play his way into game shape
Speaker 1: for about a ten day stretch and then the second round,
Speaker 1: then I think they would be ready. They're so deep
Speaker 1: at guard yes, blood war Yeah. And also I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think Phoenix again, Chris Paul is on the
Speaker 1: precipice of kind of going off that cliff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got Peyton Deef and Genzo, Clay Pool, Steph. It
Speaker 1: is the deepest guard group I think, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember a guard group now. They have no front court
Speaker 1: scoring without Wiggins, but I think they're built to really
Speaker 1: beat Sacramento. I don't know if if Draymond's game works
Speaker 1: against Yo Kitch. It kind of doesn't, right, He's a
Speaker 1: little flummox by him. So I guess my my my
Speaker 1: thing is there's a way for the Warriors to get there,
Speaker 1: but it has to be specific teams. The Clippers, but
Speaker 1: maybe with Paul George not at one hundred percent Chris
Speaker 1: Paul struggles in a series Phoenix. But I think if
Speaker 1: Boston or Milwaukee gets to the final, they'll beat probably
Speaker 1: they'll be the champion, and and it'll probably be Denver. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I gotta see them at I would
Speaker 1: be very surprised if Denver gets passed round two, very surprised.
Speaker 1: And to listen, the Warriors, Lakers, or Clippers could be
Speaker 1: the eighth seed any one of them, and any one
Speaker 1: of them could bounce some Denver in round one. Something
Speaker 1: my son on podcast today said to me, would the
Speaker 1: Warriors winning be the worst thing for your career, Nick's
Speaker 1: career because I've written them off again and I said,
Speaker 1: absolutely not, and this is what I want you to
Speaker 1: take on. Then we can go. I said, I think
Speaker 1: the worst for my career would actually be the Lakers winning.
Speaker 1: And he couldn't understand why, and I said, I think
Speaker 1: if we're talking long like, what is long term the
Speaker 1: best for me? I think Lebron becoming I think it
Speaker 1: becoming the popular opinion, the majority opinion, that Lebron's the
Speaker 1: greatest player ever is actually bad for me. I think
Speaker 1: that if that debate, if it's everyone's like, it's like,
Speaker 1: it'll be like two days of like, wow, Nick was right,
Speaker 1: good for him, and then on to the next thing,
Speaker 1: like it's in my interest for the Lebron Jordan debate
Speaker 1: to stretch on as long as possible, and a Lebron
Speaker 1: winning the championship in the finals MVP this year at
Speaker 1: least moves that to a coin flip in the eyes
Speaker 1: of most people, and it really changes the math on
Speaker 1: that in a way that that's what's interesting. If the
Speaker 1: Lakers were to win the title this year, then anyone
Speaker 1: that says I'm not just counting the rings and the
Speaker 1: Lebron Jordan. Thing is not only just counting the rings,
Speaker 1: but the written ring count would now just be one
Speaker 1: one ahead because every other thing it would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who played longer is more for all these other things.
Speaker 1: So while it would feel great in the moment, I
Speaker 1: actually think long term wise it would be it would
Speaker 1: not be because that is the opinion people still to
Speaker 1: this day on the street, the number one thing people
Speaker 1: say to me is do you really believe Lebron's better
Speaker 1: than Jordan? And if everyone believes Lebron is better than Jordan,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that hurts me. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Just disappear that it's like, oh, Nick, Nick's the guy
Speaker 1: who agrees with everyone on the homes and everyone on Lebron.
Speaker 1: For him, those are that was my thing? All right?
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