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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norrie with

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Speaker 2: you along with doctor Elliott Hayimoff. His website is linked

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Speaker 2: up at Coast tocoastdam dot com. We're talking about his

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Speaker 2: latest book that he edited. It's called Space Pioneers Conversations

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Speaker 2: with the Men of Apollo. Apollo Won nineteen sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: What a tragedy, Elliott.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was a tremendous tragedy, but it was

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Speaker 3: something that was It was an accident waiting to happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: And we lost three great astronauts, including Gus Grissom, who

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Speaker 2: was one of the original Mercury seven astronauts, right.

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Speaker 3: And Ed White who was the first one to do

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Speaker 3: an EVA.

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Speaker 2: That's right, walking outside of spaceship. And then Roger Schaffee,

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Speaker 2: good guy. Now you talked about an astronaut who might

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Speaker 2: have spotted a UFO.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to guess that was Gordon Cooper.

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Speaker 3: That's correct. We interviewed him a while ago. He was

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Speaker 3: a part of the early Apollo missions, but his team,

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Speaker 3: his crew was split up, and so he just never

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Speaker 3: flew on Apollo, and then he told us, just you know,

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Speaker 3: plain as day, that he saw a UFO and the

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Speaker 3: Otherness officials that we interviewed just more or less poo

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Speaker 3: pouted as particles that came off of the heat shield

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Speaker 3: while he was entering the Earth's atmosphere, and that was

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Speaker 3: what he saw when these particles started to heat up

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Speaker 3: and glow.

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Speaker 2: I had hearted Elliott that they confiscated his film.

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's probably the case that a lot of times

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Speaker 3: don't forget that this was the heat of the Cold

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Speaker 3: War and the Department of Defense. Also, all of the

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Speaker 3: Gemini missions and the Apollo missions had to clear the

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Speaker 3: Department of Defense censors. So I don't doubt at all

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Speaker 3: that his film was confiscated.

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Speaker 2: I knew the lady Edgar Mitchell, Apollo fourteen astronaut. Did

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Speaker 2: you ever have a chance to talk to him.

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Speaker 3: No, but we really wanted to talk to him because

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Speaker 3: he was I don't know if you were aware that

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Speaker 3: he was the only astronaut of the Apollo missions that

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Speaker 3: tried to do esp experiments with people on the Earth

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Speaker 3: from the Moon.

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Speaker 2: When he came back, he established the Noetics Sciences Institute right.

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Speaker 3: Right, several. I think he wrote several books on the

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Speaker 3: subject too. You see, that's another thing that it was

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Speaker 3: the range of diversity that the Apollo astronauts were all

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Speaker 3: the way from, like it was just another test run,

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Speaker 3: just another job for them to go to the moon.

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Speaker 3: And for others it was very spiritual, very religious. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you if you do that. James

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Speaker 3: Irwin on Apollo fifteen, he left a Bible on the

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Speaker 3: rover and so and so there were like very like

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Speaker 3: spiritual people, religious people. And then people like Alan Bean

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Speaker 3: that he he was on Apollo twelve and once on

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Speaker 3: a skylab mission that he became an artist. He just

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Speaker 3: uh you know, was inspired and became an artist. And

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Speaker 3: so just all and and there's other people who were

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Speaker 3: just like stayed with NASA, like John Young, the Apollo

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Speaker 3: ten and the Apollo sixteen commander. I mean he was

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Speaker 3: just like a like an Apollo guy all the way through,

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Speaker 3: like he bled NAT's a blue.

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Speaker 2: Now, the original Mercury seven astronauts, I think they've all

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Speaker 4: Haven't they.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think so pretty much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all they're all gone.

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Speaker 3: But what you know, we interviewed like Wally Sharon and

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Speaker 3: Scott Carpenter. Uh, it was, you know a unique experiance

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Speaker 3: to have met Deeke Slayden. Did you ever have one

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Speaker 4: He had some kind of ear infection or something right right.

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Speaker 3: Well, but you see, and that was why he was

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Speaker 3: so well suited to be the like the head of

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Speaker 3: the Astroduct Corps is because he was like, you're part

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Speaker 3: of the old Guard that you know. It's like when

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Speaker 3: he he, he went through. He knew what it was

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Speaker 2: Why do you think we still haven't gone back to

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Speaker 2: the moon with astronauts.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's it's a piece of cake a blind

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Speaker 3: man could tell. Uh. Back then, it was a goal

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Speaker 3: was a race to form a colony on the moon.

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Speaker 3: It was just a race to get to the moon.

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Speaker 3: So when it was a goal oriented process, then that

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Speaker 3: So there was no reason to go back. However, the

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Speaker 3: findings of the Apollo astronauts is the cause of the

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Speaker 3: newest space race. Now, I don't know if you knew that,

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Speaker 3: but I know your other guy was talking about China,

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Speaker 3: and that's where the next space race is going to be.

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Speaker 3: The Americans that there are Chinese are going to have

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Speaker 3: a space race based on the findings of the old

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Speaker 3: Apollo era astronauts, and that is the finding of helium

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Speaker 3: three on the Moon's surface. That's a source of energy

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Speaker 3: for future fusion reactors, such that there's enough fuel on

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Speaker 3: the Moon to last the Earth population for one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: That's what I heard, buzz Aldrin. You had a chance

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Speaker 2: to talk to him, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Sure, a couple of times. He was just going on

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Speaker 3: and on about why it's important to go to Mars.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he was talking, and he was very

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Speaker 3: to a specific place, whereas going to Mars. And he

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Speaker 3: like a stopover spot. But he was saying that the

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Speaker 3: going to Mars is going to be a process oriented event.

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Speaker 3: It's like working together with other people of their countries

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Speaker 3: or their nations to go to Mars.

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Speaker 4: Was all doing.

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Speaker 2: Is ninety four years old, second man to walk on

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Speaker 2: the Moon.

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Speaker 4: Amazing he was.

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Speaker 3: He was such an articulate guy. We interviewed him he

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Speaker 3: was living in Orange County, and then we interviewed him

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Speaker 3: He is very very articulate, and he was all for

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Speaker 3: the Russians just fell apart. Their whole space program just

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Speaker 2: What would you say was one of the most compelling

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Speaker 2: interviews you did with the astronauts and who was that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, the most compelling astronaut that we ever interviewed

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Speaker 3: was the Apollo seventeen lunar module pilot, the Harrison Schmidt.

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Speaker 3: He it was actually a funny, a bit of a

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Speaker 3: funny story that you know, he was, you know, an

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Speaker 3: He was a United States senator, and we came out

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Speaker 3: we all dressed up in our like you know, suits

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Speaker 3: to go out to where I want to be. And

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Speaker 3: he takes us and he gets us all into like

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Speaker 3: he says, Okay, this is where I want you to

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Speaker 3: he's talking about his findings on the Moon and going

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Speaker 3: to going to Mars and then setting up a looter colony,

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Speaker 3: and Howard what we should be doing on the Moon

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Speaker 3: to be a profitable venture and had to set up companies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just like this guy, he was just telling

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Speaker 3: then it's like he takes us all back and then

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Speaker 3: just like very unexpected surprise.

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Speaker 2: You looked out the Tunguska situation in Russia and you

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Speaker 2: believe it was a crashed ufo, not a meteor, right,

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Speaker 2: well it was.

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Speaker 3: It was more like a science testing hypothesis, is.

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Speaker 3: And this is based on when we went to Russia

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Speaker 4: Amazing. Did did that theory shock many people?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the Tunguska show that we we produced,

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Speaker 3: but it's there is no other natural occurring event that

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's it's kind of like you know,

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Speaker 3: it is it possible that it could be like, you know,

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Speaker 3: a meteor And then some people were thinking that that

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Speaker 3: Nikola Tesla developed a like one of these kind of

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Speaker 3: You know, that any of these things are in theory possible,

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Speaker 3: but what's the likelihood? And so god knows who's But

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Speaker 3: it's also a case that the Russians put everything in

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Speaker 3: the radiation when this guy Carlov who was the head

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Speaker 3: So why would the head of the Russian space program

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Speaker 4: And what year was Gosco? Was it nineteen oh eight?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen oh eight. So that was just like another

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Speaker 3: you know, just fortuitously came across when we were in

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Speaker 3: Russia dealing with the with this cousband at the shows.

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Speaker 4: And this of course was before we had nukes, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: So there's no such thing as, you know, a forty

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Speaker 3: megaton blast in nineteen oh eight at you know, just

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Speaker 3: forty years later fans radiation.

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Speaker 4: Big time.

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