1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: hot pursuit. I'm going to take the lead today on 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: the intro because Matt is near death's door at home 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: on the couch. We've listened to him hack for the 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: past twenty minutes. He's drunk. He's drunk a bottle of robitussin, 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: and you know, it's very touch and go, but he's 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: rallied and we're so happy to have you here. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: I'm ready. It's been a tough week. I launch a 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: new television show on Bloomberg with Katie Greifeld and Channelli Bassic, 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: so it's been like all hands on deck working twenty 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: four to seven, and earning season has been super intense 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: this week. So somehow my immune system failed. But I 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: continue to push on because it's not pandemic days. I 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: don't stay home when i'm sick anymore. I'm still going 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: to work every day. 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: We actually may want you to stay home at this point. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: It's basically the walking wounded over here. I'm glad you're 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: home right now. Hopefully you can get some rest and 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: like chicken noodle soup or something. 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: I can't get any rest We've had the most insane 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: business news cycle, especially an automotive, right, I mean, General 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: Motors kicked it off and they had such an amazing 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: earnings report that I instantly like emailed. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: It to me. I know, you know, which is perfect 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: timing for their debut this week because it's just like 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: all things are coming up rosy with GM while everyone 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: else struggles, right. 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: Which is, by the way, a Corvette debut. And I 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: want to talk about your story specifically, and of course 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: our special guest is the president of General Motors. He 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: is a massive Corvette fan himself, Mark Royce. I'm super 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: excited to get to him, but I do want to 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: get the earnings picture for automotive out of the way first, 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: because it's been amazing since GM beat and they didn't 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: just beat right expectations for earnings. They sold two hundred 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: and thirty thousand plus pickup trucks Silver Across, Silverado and Sierra, 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: and they also raised their full year forecast. So this 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: was a couple of days ago and I thought, Man, 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: what an awesome earning season it's going to be for automotive. 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: Then every other automaker that's come out has absolutely the 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: bed they have Ford has had its biggest drop on 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: the stock market after posting an amazing twenty cent earnings 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: miss in fifteen years. I mean, it's like a crisis 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: level stock reaction for Ford. And then Stilantis had such 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: a big drop in profit, like forty eight percent in 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: the first six months that Carlos Tavares, the CEO, said, 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: you know what, every brand right now could potentially be 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: on the chopping block, and. 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: To me, crazy to hear. 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, if you look at some 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: of the brands and near and dear to my heart 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: as Dodge, they don't have very many products. I did 53 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: love the Hornet, we talked about that, but that's all 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: they make, right, There's no challenger, there's no charger. So 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: the Durango still exists in some old and tired form, 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: but they just don't have a lot to contribute. So 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: it's just mayhem. 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: It's really tough. And in the luxury world, we should 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: say that even Porscha cut its outlook for the year 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: and took its biggest drubbing in a single day since 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: September twenty twenty two. When ISIPO exactly? So if this 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: isn't even just you know, mass market brands. This is 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: hitting the luxury sector too. I think Hyundai did pretty well. 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: That was sort of another another highlight. They seemed to 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: have gone up a little bit in operating profit and 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: actually beat their estimates basically based on hybrid sales, which 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I know how much you love hybrids, so it's really interesting. 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: And then here we have, of course, of course, and 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: then we have General Motors that is basically doing phenomenal 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: off the back of internal combustion engine trucks and SUVs, 71 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: and this Corvette is no different. It's not this isn't 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: even This is their most powerful corvette debut ever, and 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: it's not a hybrid. It's it's an actual V eight. 74 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Let's talk about this corvette 75 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: that's just debuted. You wrote a phenomenal story about it. 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: Everyone's been waiting for it. It is the ZR one, right, 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: What does that mean for Corvette? What is a ZR one? 78 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: The ZR one is right now, it's the top of 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: the line. Now we have seen rumors that General Motors 80 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: is coming out with a higher performance hybrid in twenty 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: twenty five. They've actually trademarked a name. 82 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: Zora that such a cool name. 83 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: It's a cool name. But right now, the Z one 84 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: is the top of the line one thousand and sixty 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: four horsepower, and the two really new things about this 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: car are number one, it's the first Corvette ever to 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: use turbochargers, which is wild to think about. And then 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: number two, it's got a split window in the rear 89 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: like the from the sixties. So these are significant changes. 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love the obviously, I love the Corvette, 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: and I've been raving about it for weeks now, ever 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: since I drove the E Ray, which is their hybrid currently. 93 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: It's kind of the middle of the lineup right because 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: they have the base Corvette, the Stingray exactly, which has 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: just the six point two leader naturally aspirated V eight 96 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: right behind the driver in the middle of the setup. 97 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: Then they have the E Ray, which has that six 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: point two leader, you know, the traditional for now Corvette engine, 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: and then an electric motor on the front axle. Then 100 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: they had the Z six, which has the fire breathing 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: five and a half leader flat plane crank V eight, 102 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 2: which is kind of like a Ferrari setup, but even 103 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: better than Ferrari I think could have done, because it's 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: such big displacement and manages to keep itself together. And 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: so this is going to be the z R one 106 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: is going to be the. 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: Top of the line. 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's gonna be basically the twin turbo charged 109 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: version of the Z six, which is typically how it goes. Right, 110 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: Corvette releases the Z six, which is their top of 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: the line version, naturally aspirated, and then they come out 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: with the usually supercharged version that's the ZR one. In 113 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: this case, it's gonna be using turbos, which is something 114 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: we'll ask mister Royce about. Yes, but it's gonna have 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: over a thousand horse power. 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Over one thousand horse power, and there's going to be 117 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: an optional zt K performance package that adds like a 118 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: huge rear wing and aggressive styling on the front and 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: like a gurney lip on the hood, all made from 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: carbon fiber. It's gonna have stiffer suspension and different wheels 121 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: and all of that too. 122 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: They've gotten so good at I mean, they have all 123 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: this alphabet soup at GM, right. I know, if you 124 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: get the sting Ray, which is probably good enough to 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: begin with for most people, you can add the Z 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: fifty one package, which makes it a little better. If 127 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: you get the Z six, which is the sort of 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: screaming Ferrari flat plane crank, you can add the Z 129 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: seven package, which makes it like a little bit racier. 130 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: And now if you get the ZR one, what's the 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: package that you can add. 132 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: It's called zt K Performance Package. I mean, I'm already 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: sort of lost in all all of those numbers and letters. 134 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: Well, then the cool thing about the progression is so 135 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: the rumored improvement on the ZR one is called Zora, 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: which is I guess named after the original designer designer 137 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: the Corvette, and that would be the twin turbo charged 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 2: five and a half liter V eight in the back 139 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: with an electric motor I'm guessing in the front, so 140 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: like the hybrid version of the turbocharge bad ass. So 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: it's like total top of the top of the line. 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: And I don't know what Royce is gonna tell Yeah, I. 143 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Mean, well, look, I took the liberty of going ahead 144 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: and asking the pr ahead of this conversation for you know, 145 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: to confirm anything about the Zora, and of course he 146 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: did his job and told me absolutely nothing. But I 147 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: did see that General Motors just on June third, trademarked 148 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: that name in Mexico, which you know, they've sort of 149 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: been filing these trademarks for the past few years in 150 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: the US and Mexico. So if we're reading the riding 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: on the wall, it does seem like they're heading in 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: that direction, which would be really cool. 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: Now, the only thing that's missing from this whole lineup 154 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: for Corvette is an all electric version. 155 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, what do you think about that? 156 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't probably like it very much. I 157 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: don't tend to like fully electric vehicles unless they're utility 158 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: vehicles like ke Has EV nine. You know, I love that, 159 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: but I'm not using that as a sports car that's 160 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: supposed to give me goosebumps and make little hairs in 161 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: the back of my next stand up. 162 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: Right yeah, you know, I really think that Corvette is 163 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: probably like the nine to eleven at Portal, where they're 164 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: going to do everything they can to hold off from 165 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: electrifying their you know, chevrolets, GM's crown jewel car. And 166 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's an accident that General Motors has 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: just announced that yet again, they're delaying their electric pickup 168 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: plant and they've postponed a Buick EV so this sort 169 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand with what we're seeing, you know, 170 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: as automakers including GM, but Ford and others, Mercedes have 171 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: started to sort of slow down and walk back all 172 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: of these electric promises that they've made because they're not selling. 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: The evs aren't selling as well, and there are still 174 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: valid concerns about especially the charging network. And I should 175 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: mention I don't know if now it's the time to 176 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: talk about it, but I did have that little electric 177 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: Fiat five hundred E last week that got towed when 178 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: I tried to charge it. That is quite quite a story. 179 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: And let me tell you it was not fun. And 180 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: you could argue ultimately it was user error on that, 181 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: but it was an error any user could have made unbelievable. 182 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: So they towed the car while you were charging it. 183 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: I guess you weren't with. 184 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: It, so I didn't know you had to stay with 185 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: your car. Here's the scenario. Basically, I go downtown for 186 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: a lunch and to do an errand, and I think, oh, 187 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: it'll be nice just to charge the Fiat for an hour. 188 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: It was at like fifty percent. I thought this will 189 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: be I just need to do it just for experience. 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: So I know what this situation is. I go to 191 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: the first charger that I've used before in a public 192 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: garage parking garage. The charger's broken. I use the app 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: to find another available charger close by. That charging app 194 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: sends me to a parking lot, an outdoor parking lot. 195 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: I did have to go through a barrier, and I 196 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: took a ticket to you know, to get into the 197 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: parking lot. I go. There's a valet guy. He watches. 198 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: This guy watched me go through this whole thing. He 199 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: watches me pull up, plug in. I think, okay, I'll 200 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: be back an hour. I'm just gonna go have lunch. 201 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: Come back. 202 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: The car's gone completely gone yep. 203 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: From a private from a gated park. 204 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Apparently it was private, but it let me take it. 205 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, you just take a ticket and 206 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: if you don't have, you know, if you're not a member, 207 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: you just pay. I just assumed if you if it 208 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: lets you in, you just pay to get out. 209 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: You know. 210 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: So as by the way, thank you, thank you. So, 211 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of fish around and there is 212 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: a sign on the side of the parking lot that 213 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: has a number to call, you know, Brian's towing and 214 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: I call him and it's after five at this point, 215 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm told that you can come get 216 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: your car and it's going to be four hundred and 217 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: sixty six dollars in cash. 218 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 2: Oh you know, I. 219 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Can't really hear the guy. It's it's so so shady. 220 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically a shakedown. It's so completely completely 221 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: so you know, basically, I draw it's a mile away, 222 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: they tow it a mile away to when I tell you, 223 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: it's the sketchiest environment I've ever been in this side 224 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: of Cape Town. I am not kidding. It was. It 225 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: was like skid Row times a million. It was so sketchy. 226 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: Charles Bukowski, Yes, yes, surely that in Yeah, exactly. 227 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 1: So then you know, of course I get there and 228 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: I'm banging on the gate. No one's there. I call 229 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: the guy again. He's like, oh, you know, all right, 230 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: I'll come come, And I end up waiting for you 231 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: to get out to ours. 232 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't just carry five hundred dollars in cash, 233 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: do you? On the regular? You probably shouldn't say if 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: you do. 235 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: No, for I'm not gonna say if I do or 236 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: if I don't. But at that point I had the 237 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: cash in hand because I did not want to mess 238 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: around anymore with this. I was so you know what 239 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: was the worst thing. The guy in the parking lot 240 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: watched me do the whole thing. And he's probably the 241 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: one who. 242 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: Called the Probably, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: And I mean, why did he not just say, hey, 244 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: you you realize this is private or whatever? 245 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: I mean? Because he gets a cut. Probably Brian at 246 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: Brian's Towing said, dude, if you see anyone come in here, 247 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: don't stop them, let them go call me up. I'll 248 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: give you a C note. And I'm sure you know. 249 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: It's a great scam. Actually, if you think about it, good, 250 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: yea perfect for the modern era. You just put up 251 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: a charger and then poorly sign that you're not allowed 252 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: to use it. Yes, and you just wait and watch 253 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: for somebody to walk away from the car, and as 254 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: soon as they do, you go and jump on it. 255 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: Yes. And you know what, I would never have even 256 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: gone into this parking lot except for the app sent 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: me there. The charging app sent me there and said 258 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: it was an available charger. So I thought, oh great, 259 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: this is so close. You know, it's just around the corner. 260 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: No big deal. I didn't even I wasn't even aware 261 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: there was a charger there, So that kind of annoying. 262 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 2: I know it was. 263 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: It honestly was the good thing though, is the Fiat 264 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: when I got it back was fully charged, so it 265 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: was it was there long enough to get a full 266 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: full juice going. 267 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: All right, So that that is an unbelievable story and 268 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: yet so believable, right, I know. 269 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 1: It's alsoing, and it's like I tried to do. I 270 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: tried to charge. I thought, you know, not a big deal. No, 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: people stay with their cars for hours on it. 272 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. And and I 273 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: feel like if you if it comes up in the app, 274 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: you should probably be able to use it. Yes, a B. 275 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: If you go into a gated parking lot and it 276 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: lets you in, I think it's safe to assume unless 277 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: you see a sign that says, you know, like private 278 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: parking space that you can park there. No, and then 279 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: when you get to a towing company that's cash only, 280 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: you know that that's a I know. 281 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: I completely completely. I almost was like, good job, guys, 282 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: you really got me this time. 283 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: Like, wow, they've earned it, Brian earned it. 284 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, good job on that one. 285 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: So okay, but the thing is a Fiat five hundred, right, 286 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: and any electric vehicle, I guess short of a Remac 287 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: isn't something that you would substitute for a Corvette or 288 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: a Porsche. And by the way, we should talk about 289 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: this rivalry with Mark Royce also, So I've grown up 290 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: getting Road and Track magazine, or I did when I 291 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: was a kid, every month, and inevitably, whenever there was 292 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: a new Corvette, there would be a cover story pitting 293 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: the Corvette against the nine to eleven, right, because they're 294 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: sort of America's ultimate sports car versus the benchmark ultimate 295 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: sports car. Yeah, and I think, especially now with the 296 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: C eight, I think you could argue that it's a 297 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: more valid comparison than ever because the engines behind you, 298 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: and it truly is maybe even you know, more ideal 299 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: in terms of a sports car, right, a mid engine 300 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: layout than a nine to eleven, which you know, with 301 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: the rear engine layout has always been a little bit awkward, 302 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: even if they've managed to make it work at Portia. 303 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wonder if we should ask Mark 304 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: whether he believes a Corvette is a supercar or not. 305 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: Maybe we don't get into that, but they've clearly, you know, 306 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: they've clearly benchmarked the most successful vehicles in the world 307 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: in the past, and they obviously benchmarked Ferrari four, five, 308 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: eight with for sure with the Z six, So I 309 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: wonder if they even think about the nine to eleven anymore, 310 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: or if now they're aiming at Ferrari and Lamborghini instead, 311 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: because the styling is obviously not subtle. Yeah. Also, they've 312 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: expanded their product offering in such a nine to eleven way, 313 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: right They now they have the Stingray, the E Ray, 314 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: the ZO six, the ZR one, they'll have the Zora, 315 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: and you've got to imagine they're gonna have convertible and 316 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: hard top versions of probably all of those, so they'll 317 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: have ten different models. Yeah, and I. 318 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Should say the zer one is coming in coop and 319 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: convertible version. They're both. They're both starting production at the 320 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: same time in Bowling Green. So yeah, it's a lot 321 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of options. 322 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: Previously, by the way, because I look at these things 323 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: online and lust after them and configure them. I think 324 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: I've already configured a Corvette at least once today. Constantly 325 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: I go back and forth between what I want, the 326 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: hard top or the coop because the hard top obviously 327 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: is a T top in a Corvette, so you can 328 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: take off the top, but the convertible is you know, 329 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: you can do it automatically. And the benefit of the 330 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: hard top is you can see the motor right because 331 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: the hard top has a c through panel on the back, 332 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: and then it's totally baller. You know. 333 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: As someone who has a T top C three, I 334 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: think it would be nice to be able to push 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: a button and have the top to go down, because 336 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: I've made the really bad mistake of trying to take 337 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: the T tops off at a stop while you're waiting 338 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: at a stop light. I'd like pull them into the 339 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: cabin when you're waiting at traffic. And that was I'm 340 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: sure anyone who saw that thought this woman is insane. 341 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: I think you know the consensus probably, And I've been 342 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: lurking on corvette forums for a long time as well. 343 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: People who get the coop the hard top, they say 344 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: inevitably that they don't bother anymore taking it on and off. 345 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: They just it's like you have a hard top car, correct, 346 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: But they're all happy that they can see the motor, 347 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: which makes sense. It's so awesome to be able to 348 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: see it. People who get the convertible put the top 349 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: down constantly and up constantly. I know when I spent 350 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: a week with the E Ray that was one of 351 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: the best functions. If it's raining, if it's too hot, 352 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: you can put the top up. Otherwise you have it down. 353 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: I feel like I've settled on the convertible. But this 354 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: is probably something that we could talk to Mark himself about. 355 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: The Other thing that I'm excited to talk to him 356 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: about is the spine that they've added to the z 357 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: R one. 358 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: Right, Well, they're calling it a split window. I agree. 359 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: I agree to me, I think that's a little bit 360 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: of a loose term. I agree. It looks more like 361 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: a spine. It's more like a carb It can be 362 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: carbon fiber or the body color. And yeah, it looks 363 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: like a spine running down the back, which looks cool. 364 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: Right. 365 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: I get the term from your story, So yeah, it's 366 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: stuck in my head now. But the thing is Mark 367 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: has very beautiful classic C two corvette with the split window. 368 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. 369 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: And I mean, if you get the C two in 370 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: the coupe, you want the split window. 371 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: That's expensive. 372 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 2: That's indicative of the z R one. 373 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 374 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: All right. 375 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: Now, fresh off the track from test driving the brand 376 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: new SE eight Corvette z R one, or at least 377 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: a pre production version of that car. KNNA, let's get 378 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: over to GM President Mark Royce. 379 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time. We know, I think you 380 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: just got out of the car. Can you just tell 381 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: us what it's like to drive? We're so curious. 382 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 4: So, yeah, I've driven the car on quite a few occasions, 383 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: but the car today was the first time I've driven. 384 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: It started on camouflage with you know, exposing the split 385 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: window on the coop and so that was pretty special. 386 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: And it's the capability of the car is just insane, 387 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: so you'd know that. 388 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: But you've seen the power numbers, the torque numbers, the 389 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 4: where it happens rpm wise, you know this is a 390 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: it's a very special, you know, power train in the 391 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: Gemini twin Turbo LT seven very special. 392 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: Talk to us about the turbochargers. Uh, why do a 393 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: turbo charger? 394 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: Now? 395 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: Does this mean that the V eight has sort of 396 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: been topped out in terms of its capabilities and now 397 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: we're looking for other ways to get more power? 398 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: Well, nothing's nothing's ever topped out. I think at least 399 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 4: in my career it hasn't been. But I think you know, 400 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: the turbos that we architect the engine for are you know, 401 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 4: they're sort of the electronically controlled waste gates that they're 402 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: pretty sophisticated and how they make the engine breathe. And 403 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: you know, if you think about an engine is basically 404 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 4: an air pump, right, So you're bringing air into it 405 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: and you're you're you're pumping air out of it. And 406 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 4: so the more efficient you make that air pump, the 407 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 4: more you're you're going to get out of it. So, uh, 408 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: just looking at something like our Indian engine, changing the 409 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 4: location of a turbocharger dramatically changed sort of where we 410 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: pick up torque and what our PM range. So you know, 411 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: that's how sophisticated some of the fluidynamics modeling is around. 412 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 4: You know, the air pump called an engine in this 413 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 4: case Gemini, and so I think that's that's really important. 414 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 4: But the turbo charge piece of it, you know, as 415 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 4: long as you can get a linear develop you know, 416 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 4: delivery of power from how you're controlling what's happening with it. 417 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: And as you know, the software and controls for turbo 418 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 4: charges have gotten so sophisticated that there's really not a 419 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: new lag there's no, there's none of that. 420 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we should say that the Z 421 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: six already has and correct me if I'm wrong, the 422 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: most power from a naturally aspirated V eight of any 423 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: production car, right, that's correct. And I was lucky enough 424 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: to drive in that car with you a couple of 425 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: years ago, which was probably super fun for you, terrifying 426 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: for me on the on the testing track in Detroit. 427 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 2: This is even more powerful. Have you made any changes 428 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: to the actual engine other than adding the turbo chargers? 429 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 430 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at how we deliver fuel, 431 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 4: there's we're sort of a you know, this is hard 432 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: to deliver enough fuel to realize the capability of it. 433 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 4: So you know, we've got some pretty sophisticated fuel delivery 434 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: systems in fact too. And then we we've also taken 435 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: the intake is when you see the engine, you'll see it, 436 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: but it's a split intake that. 437 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: It is really fascinating. So there's that. 438 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 4: There's you know, the hardening of some of the components 439 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: of the engine are very special. You look at the 440 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: front of Gemini ZO six, you know, five and a 441 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 4: half leter naturally aspirated engine. You look at the front 442 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: cover of the LT seven, it's really different, but the 443 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: core engine is still the same, right, So the architecture 444 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 4: was designed to handle it. 445 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of cool things on it too, 446 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: because just fun things to do. 447 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: I mean there's little little Gemini rockets cast into the 448 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 4: turbo chargers and the heads and blocks, so that you know, 449 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: in the future when you get one of these, or 450 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: you're looking to get an engine or place parts on it, 451 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: it'll have a Gemini brocket. 452 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: On it if it's genuine, and you can't really fake that. 453 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 4: And so you know, Gemini obviously the twins and and 454 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 4: so you know, and the teasers you saw the twin 455 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 4: scroll of the swirls. We really thought a lot about, 456 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: you know, how to mainten it and how to do 457 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: things that are cool for people who buy these cars. 458 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: By the way, can I ask Mark in the past, 459 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: and the kids may not know this. In the past, 460 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: US astronauts have had corvettes, right yeah. Yeah. And now 461 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: that NASA is preparing a mission to send once again 462 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: Americans to the Moon, you know, astronauts are going to 463 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: be sort of right at the top of our cultural 464 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: focus again. Have you guys had talks with NASA about 465 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: giving them C eight corvettes. 466 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: I would love to. 467 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know the story of all 468 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 4: these are delivered man, back in the late sixties there, 469 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: when it was basically a person in my job in 470 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: GM sold these cars to a dealer for a dollar 471 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 4: so that it wasn't just free, I believe, and then 472 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: and then gave them to the astronaut. So I don't 473 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 4: know what we'll concoct, but I would love to be 474 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 4: involved with that, and we haven't done it, but what 475 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: a special deal that would be, right, I mean, I think, 476 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 4: by the way, fighter pilots are one of our number 477 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 4: one customers, right, they love Corvette, So you know, yeah, 478 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: so it's all good. 479 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about who you're 480 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: benchmarking when you're developing this car. Who are you looking at? 481 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: Who are who's the benchmark in the segment for you guys. 482 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: I think there's different cars that do different things that 483 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 4: we benchmarked, and you know, the four fifty eight we 484 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 4: did that from a sound standpoint. We've done lots of 485 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: different cars over the years on C eight as we 486 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 4: developed it. But you know, we always look at our 487 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: competition and take them very very seriously. So nine to 488 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: elevens we have a really good relationship with Portia at 489 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: the nerber Ring in Germany, so we have swapped corvettes 490 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 4: with nine to eleven's and then, you know, so it's 491 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 4: pretty fun, it's a good it's really cool. So it's 492 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 4: a great camaraderie. And there's only a couple of times 493 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: a year they do the industry pool there, so typically 494 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 4: once once one of those times we'll stay in the 495 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 4: same hotel as the Porsche engineers. 496 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: So pretty cool. 497 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: I know that you guys did some Nerbour green laps. 498 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: Do you want to say what time were a time 499 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: you were close to are you going to announce that anymore? 500 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: Or zero to sixty times or a quarter mile? Can 501 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: you tell us any detail? 502 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can look at the cargo comfortably more than 503 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 4: two fifteen top speed wise, and these are stimulations. We 504 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 4: haven't finished the car yet, as I said, we're going 505 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 4: to take it in September to the ring, but you know, 506 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 4: the zero sixty we do not have a time money yet. 507 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 4: We just haven't finished it, and then the quarter mile 508 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 4: will be on or you know, ten seconds not no problem. 509 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: The other thing where Matt and I always talk about 510 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: and I'm curious what the conversation is for you guys 511 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: at GM talk to us a little bit about manuals. 512 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: Obviously this is this is not a manual vehicle are 513 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Is there any conversation about that for you guys our 514 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: customers asking for it? And would you ever come out 515 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: with a manual Corvet? 516 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, even even Mark uh and the sting Ray, Like, 517 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: I know you're gonna have trouble putting a manual transmission 518 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: on a thousand horsepower hypercar like the z R one, 519 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: but you could you could do it on the sting 520 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: Ray like and you do you do on the the 521 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: Black Wing. Right, you have a manual transmission a Cadillac, 522 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: so why couldn't you do it for a for a Corvette. 523 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 4: Again, the whole I think there are the whole car 524 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: is architected around our d CT that's made it up 525 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: to you know, whatever engine we put behind n C 526 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: eight and so that DCT is is a core architecture decision. 527 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 4: And if we carry things to do other variants on transmissions, 528 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: it's scar mass and it's scar costs, and it affects 529 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 4: every eight and that's that's not what we're going to do. 530 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: So it'll it'll damage the efficiency and the power delivery 531 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: and the performance of allse eights to do a very 532 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 4: small volume on manuals. And you know, there are probably 533 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 4: a few people that love manuals. I love manuals. We 534 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 4: do them on our Cadillacs. That's not scarred because of 535 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 4: the architecture of the car. But this is a pretty 536 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: specifically architected car for the range of power units that 537 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: you see. And it's very tough to fit an engine 538 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: like an LT two and base form all the way 539 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: up to the LT seven in the same area of 540 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: the car and not carry inefficiencies in it. But adding 541 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: a manual, it's just, you know, it's it's a bridge 542 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: too far. 543 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: It makes sense, And I mean, obviously this car is 544 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: you know, it's more of a race car. Anyway you 545 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: want to faster shifting, you're gonna you know, you're going 546 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: to get a better lap time. In terms of the 547 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: availability and the pricing, what are we looking at, Because 548 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: it's so amazing that you've kept the stingray you know, 549 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: down to like sixty and change the E ray. I 550 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: just spent a week in the e Ray and it 551 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: was like, I couldn't believe how amazing it was. The 552 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: only thing I could compare it to is the Lamborghini 553 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: Hurricon that I had driven like a couple weeks before. 554 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: But this is like another level on top of another level. 555 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: So and I think the Eray is like one hundred 556 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: and six to start, and then the z O six 557 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: is like, what one twenty ish? So what are we 558 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: looking at this for the ZR one. 559 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell you the price right now because 560 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: we haven't finished the pricing on it, because that's where 561 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: we are in the program. Well, we try and price 562 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: as close to delivery as we can, so not only 563 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 4: for our customers, but also you know, so we see 564 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: the actual market dynamics and the environment that it's in. 565 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: But it's you know, you have to plan something for 566 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 4: the business case. All I can say is that, you know, 567 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 4: Corvette and c A is designed from day one to 568 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 4: be accessible to a lot of different folks at different 569 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 4: price points. And you know, right now we've got fifty 570 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: percent of the market in sports cars, so we're doing 571 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: it very profitably. So I'd say we have the formula 572 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: pretty pretty well understood, and you know, I want, I 573 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 4: want everybody to be able to enjoy these cars. And uh, 574 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 4: you know, I don't think Corvette or Chevrolet stands for 575 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: anything else. It's not farmed out, it's not made somewhere else, 576 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: it's not you know, half a million dollars, it's none 577 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: of that's it's a pretty pretty thoughtful progression and price 578 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 4: that matches the performance. 579 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: What about for the z R one? What about production? 580 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: Are you gonna make an unlimited number to meet the orders? 581 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: What? 582 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: What are the orders? Does the order book already look 583 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: like right now? And are you making these in Bowling Green? 584 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: We are making them. Everything's made in Kentucky, including the 585 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: engine obviously. 586 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, we we we haven't opened the orders 587 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: on them at matt because we're we're fulfilling E Ray 588 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: right now in ZO six and and of course sting 589 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: right so you know, we're pretty maxed out and in 590 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: terms of capacity. But as all of those things change 591 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 4: over time, we introduced the next variant that makes sense. 592 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, we're not going to constrict things. You know, 593 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: it's going to be based on allocation, and the allocations 594 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: based on Corvette dealers who sell corvettes, you know, and 595 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: how many well. 596 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Mark, thank you for taking the time to talk with us. 597 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. 598 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, thank you. It's going to be a great night. 599 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: So push you guys were here. 600 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. Wow. 601 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: So that was great. I love that he had just 602 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: gotten out of the car before we talked to us, 603 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: and I kind of did want to ask him more 604 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: about the split window though, because that's a really interesting 605 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't done that since the sixties, that's crazy. 606 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: I love how much joy Mark Royce takes in driving 607 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: and building products for others to drive. Like when he 608 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: drove me around their testing track in Milford in the 609 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: Z six, he was not letting up. I mean, it 610 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: was good for fast and I was like, you know 611 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: when you go for a hot lap with a race 612 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: car driver and you're legitimately scared for your life. I 613 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: had that feeling when I was in the Z six 614 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: with him. 615 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not necessarily it's not like a thrill lap. 616 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: It's more like a you might die lap. 617 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: Yes, And by the way, for those I'm not an engineer, 618 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: but I have learned a lot about flat plane cranks 619 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: over the years because you know, Ferrari does them, and 620 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: that's what makes that screaming sound. And then like ten 621 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: years ago, Ford benchmarked the Ferrari with its five point 622 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: two liter V eight in the Mustang and I remember 623 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: talking to Jim Farley about it and he was telling me, like, 624 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: the problem is with the with that setup, there's so 625 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: much vibration that the engine literally begins to shake itself apart. 626 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 2: And that's why Ferrari historically hasn't had at least one 627 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: of the reasons historically hasn't had very big displacement, right, 628 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: because if you have too much displacement, then in that setup, 629 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: the engine just vibrates itself into pieces. So it was 630 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: already an amazing engineering feet that Ford had built a 631 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: five point two liter V eight with a flat plane 632 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: crank and it managed to hold itself together. Now GM 633 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: has built a five point five lider V eight with 634 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: a flat plane crank and at least so far isn't 635 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: falling apart. So it's just so cool and that they're 636 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: able to do that, and the way it sounds is 637 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: hair raising. 638 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. And I also 639 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear what their actual lap time in 640 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: is that is at nurburg Ring, because Porsche's had some 641 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: pretty fast ones lately. And if they're benchmarking, did you 642 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: say they're benchmarking the four eighty eight, which is what 643 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: we thought. 644 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: No, he said they benchmarked already the four fifty eight, sorry, 645 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: four to fifty eight in the Z six. And I 646 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: heard a story. I don't know if this is true, 647 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: but I heard that they got a four to eighty 648 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: eight and the engineer were like, this isn't as good 649 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: as the old one, so they like sold it and 650 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: went and got a four fifty eight instead, which is 651 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: the consensus among Ferrari owners as well. 652 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: Chevy did that, Yes, is what you're saying. 653 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, Chevy went out and bought you know, the 654 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: new one, and they were like, yeah, this is this 655 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: just doesn't happen. 656 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: You have you have a good source on that the soul. 657 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: No, I think I'm pretty sure I've read that in 658 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: anything from some idiot on a forum to a writer 659 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: for Car and Driver, I. 660 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: Don't know, but or anywhere in between. Yes, it's out there, 661 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: it's out in the ether. 662 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: It's out there, and you know, I just love the 663 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: idea of these engineers for a big company like GM 664 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: going out to a dealer or going on, you know, 665 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: bring a trailer and buying another brand's car and then 666 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: bringing it back to Milford and testing it and they'll 667 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure Mark gets a couple of laps in it, 668 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: and they'll have you know, Tony Stewart will take it 669 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: around the track for them and they'll say, yeah, we 670 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: like the way you know it turns in, but it 671 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: doesn't really take the gas so well on exit, and 672 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 2: you know, it just to me, that's the fun part 673 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: of them making these cars. 674 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: So and the other thing is every person who works 675 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: at an automaker with whether it's an executive or someone 676 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: in the communications department, they've all got a dirty little 677 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: secret of what they own at home that is not 678 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: the car brand they work for. For instance, you know, 679 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: I know several people who work for German car brands. 680 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: They're very high up and they own a Corvette. Yeah, 681 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like they know, you really have 682 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: to get them drinking to get it out of them. 683 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: But then they do and they love it, but they're 684 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: also embarrassed. 685 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: It's funny. I actually, for a couple of years dated 686 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: the daughter of a very high ranking Mercedes Benz executive, 687 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 2: and you know, he always had two or three top 688 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: of the line Mercedes products at his house outside the grunt. Yeah, 689 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: oh no, he actually kept them in the garage because 690 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: in Germany you've got to be you don't want to 691 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: be too showy or your neighbors will freak out, so 692 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: like you've got to hide that kind of stuff. But 693 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 2: even though he had access to everything Mercedes made, and 694 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 2: obviously they make amazing top of the lines Apex Predator products, 695 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: he's still desperately always wanted either a Corvette or you know, 696 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: a Dodge Viper, and he ended up getting a Corvette, 697 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: a CEO six, I remember, and I thought it was 698 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: funny because he actually paid like twice us MSRP because 699 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: they didn't have a market in Germany, so he had 700 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: to have it kind of gray area shipped over. But 701 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 2: it's so funny. I was like, you could have an 702 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: SLS Black Series and you've got this Corvette CEO six 703 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: in your garage, and he was like, yeah, I just 704 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: love the the grunt and the kind of brutal power 705 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 2: that it delivered. 706 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, I believe it fascinating. 707 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I had a million other questions. Hopefully 708 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: Mark Royce will come on on my TV show. I 709 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: want to ask about expanding the Corvette like sub brand. 710 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: You know, they could easily and rumors are that they're 711 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: working on it. Build an suv. I know, purists, will 712 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 2: you know that's like heresy, I'm sure, but for some reason, 713 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: I love the idea of a Corvette suv. I think 714 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: the yes, well that's an electric and it's a little suv, right, 715 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: I would want Corvette to make more of a puro 716 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: sang or whatever you call the Ferrari. You know, I 717 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: love the logo, the Corvette logo. They have such a 718 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: storied history, as he said, like the time with NASA 719 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: and everything is so cool and fighter pilots and stuff. 720 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: So it'll be awesome if they make like a Lamborghini 721 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: Urus competitor, and I think they could easily do that. 722 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: I also interest Yeah, I also want to ask, like 723 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: if they will actually split that off in the way 724 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: that you know some brands have done it, Mercedes with AMG. 725 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 2: Mercedes has done tried that with my Bock and they 726 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 2: kind of reverse course a little bit. 727 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: Right, split it off, split it off from Chevy. 728 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 2: From yeah exactly, like you know, so when Mercedes like 729 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 2: tried to make my bock. It's totally own brand, and 730 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: it didn't really work. So now they've made it just 731 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: like a top of the line trim. 732 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: So you're saying Chevrolet would make Corvette its own brand. 733 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: I don't see why not because but why because Corvette 734 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 2: is something more than Chevrolet. It's bigger and I don't 735 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 2: want to say better, but it's better, you know. It's like, 736 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be the Chevrolet Corvette. It should be just 737 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: a Corvette. 738 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: Corvette stands alone. 739 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 2: I always feel weird when I'm going on Auto Trader 740 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: and I'm looking for a Corvette. It's so weird that 741 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: I have to put in the make Chevrolet and then Corvette. 742 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: I think in the make it should just be Corvette. 743 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: I could see that. I've never thought about spinning that 744 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: off to its own thing. That could be interesting. But 745 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: the reference points that you just said both kind of failed. 746 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess that's true. True, you're not wrong, So. 747 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: Which makes me think it's a difficult thing to do. 748 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't remember the last time anyone has 749 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 2: has really done that. I don't think there's other than 750 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: AMG in my bock. I don't think there's really a 751 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: lot of history in companies taking a model and then 752 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 2: spinning it off as a full sub brand. I'll probably 753 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: get a lot of emails saying like, here's fifteen different examples. 754 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: By the way, our email address. 755 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net, and we do read 756 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: and respond to your emails. I don't know have you 757 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: responded to any of this week? 758 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: Matt, Yeah, well i've Okay, I responded to this guy Peter, 759 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: who's become like my email buddy because he's gotten an 760 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: amazing new car. I used to have one of these. 761 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: You know. He got a G five fifty in emerald green, 762 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: which is exactly the same set that I had. But 763 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: there are subtle differences between the American and the German version. 764 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: You know. 765 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 2: The American version has that cow pusher on the front 766 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: and the German version doesn't come with that. Yeah, and 767 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: in the new wheels on the G five fifty are 768 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 2: so cool, much cooler than the turbine. 769 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: Wheels that I had on the GP Mounta blocks. 770 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 2: No, no, the mono blocks I think are only on 771 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 2: the AMG verse. 772 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I was gonna say, do. 773 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 2: You not like the monoblock wheels AMG's. 774 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: Monobiling, not necessarily, not necessarily. 775 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: I was in I was in Mercedes Manhattan today in fact, Oh, 776 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: and I was like salivating over a G sixty three 777 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: with those monoblock wheels. 778 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: Of course, that doesn't surprise me in the least. That 779 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. 780 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 2: I love them. I would have them and just brushed 781 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: stainless steel. The ones I saw were black. But I 782 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: think that's a horrible mistake. 783 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw someone brushed stainless steel the other day. 784 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you really want to be like the 785 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: ultimate obnoxious level of everything, which I mean in a way, 786 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: you might as well go for it. 787 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 2: And I do you know? Yeah, all right, Well it 788 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 2: was awesome. 789 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: It was awesome. 790 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm so psyched about this product launch and your story. 791 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 2: Everyone can check it out on Bloomberg dot com. I 792 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: guess that's all we we have to talk about. What 793 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: are you driving right now? 794 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm driving a Rivian this week, the second the 795 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: second generation, second generation Rivian suv. 796 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't spoil it. I don't want to 797 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: spoil it. 798 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we won't discuss, but that is in the mix 799 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: right now. What about you? 800 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,479 Speaker 2: I am driving Subaru b r Z with a stick 801 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 2: shift and it's got all these w t I pieces 802 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 2: on it, and I'll tell you about it. Also, more 803 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: about next week, because I have my thoughts completely. 804 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: And next week we can discuss my recent co purchase 805 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: with my husband of our new Rolls Royce. Oh yeah, 806 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: and we'll have Dario franchidion as well. 807 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 2: Do you guys have now a few? 808 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: We've got a few. 809 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 2: Ah cool Dario Franchiiti. I wish you could get him 810 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: in a z R one and get his take on it. 811 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: That'd be really fun. 812 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 2: All right, Well, definitely shoot us an email. Hot Pursuit 813 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 2: at Bloomberg dot net is our email address, and thanks 814 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 2: so much for listening this week. That's all we have. 815 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 2: We'll check back in with you next week. I'm Matt 816 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 2: Miller and 817 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Hot Pursuit