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Speaker 1: Wow, what does the White House press correspondent do when

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Speaker 1: the president has no press conferences? That's a pretty good question. Um,

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Speaker 1: the president is now at well into record territory for

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Speaker 1: being a new president without having a press conference. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still got the Uh, the press brief is sure

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Speaker 1: there in the in the basement room. But one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite journalists and one of our favorite people in

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Speaker 1: the industry, Deborah J. Saunders, who have for recently has

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Speaker 1: been the Las Vegas Review Journals White House correspondent for

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Speaker 1: going on like five years. I guess uh is hanging

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Speaker 1: up for spurs. It's a curious accessory for a woman

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Speaker 1: reporter to wear spurs. But Debora J. Joins us. Now, Hi, Debora,

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Speaker 1: how are you fine? How are you doing? We're good.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've been meaning to chat with you, and

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Speaker 1: it's been too long. But I was kind of surprised

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Speaker 1: to hear that you're you're calling it good. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: stop being the White House correspondent? What gives? What's up?

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Speaker 1: It's a burnout job. I mean, there are not a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in their sixties who cover the White House,

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Speaker 1: right and four years is a really long time. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: I just thought I'd try. I thought I'd try to

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Speaker 1: cover Joe Biden. People said it would be so much easier,

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Speaker 1: but you know that I still wasn't I still wasn't

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Speaker 1: done from the burnout of covering Trump, and I just

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Speaker 1: wasn't enjoying it. Well, that's perfectly good reason, and that

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Speaker 1: that can happen with any job. Yeah. So, um, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's a it's a there's

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Speaker 1: no easy president to follow. Let me just say that. So, well,

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Speaker 1: there's less chaos involved with covering Joe Biden. It's still

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Speaker 1: he's still a president. He's still making a lot of

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Speaker 1: policy changes, He's doing a lot of things. He's got

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Speaker 1: a new team, breaking in a new uh team was

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Speaker 1: not high on my list. So well, so you're the

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Speaker 1: perfect person to ask this. So because I haven't been

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Speaker 1: real concerned about the fact that Joe Biden hasn't had

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Speaker 1: a press conference yet, because you know, just because that's

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Speaker 1: the way presidents did it for a long time doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it will continue forever. Um. Times have changed. Trump

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Speaker 1: didn't have press conferences, but he'd stand there outside the

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Speaker 1: airplane and answer questions for two hours. Um, do do

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Speaker 1: you think this is a big deal or or not. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it speaks to the fact that

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Speaker 1: everyone who watches this White House thinks that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to keep Joe Biden away from the press as much

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Speaker 1: as possible, because he's old, because he doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: stumbles on his words, because he he just is. He's

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Speaker 1: not exuberant, and and it seems pretty clear to me

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Speaker 1: that they've figured out that it's just better to limit

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Speaker 1: his exposure. They'll do a press conference, let's say after

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Speaker 1: sixty they said they'll do him this month, right, and

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Speaker 1: then they'll extend it out longer, and they'll extend it

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Speaker 1: out longer again because he just, uh, there is And

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Speaker 1: as you were called, during the campaign, he would do

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Speaker 1: these press briefings and he would just call on four

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Speaker 1: or five people his staff told him who to call on.

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Speaker 1: It was just done in a way that show that

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Speaker 1: they really want to micromanage every uh exchange that they

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Speaker 1: have with the press. And that's just not you know,

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Speaker 1: that's totally the opposite of Donald Trump, where you never

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Speaker 1: knew when he was going to talk to the press,

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Speaker 1: and at times he would talk forever Cardi B managed

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Speaker 1: to wind an interview with the president. Are you quitting

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Speaker 1: just because you're jealous you wish you were a journalist?

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Speaker 1: As Cardi B that's true. She has had more access

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Speaker 1: to Joe Biden than I have slightly more serious question,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of Jen Saki is a White

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Speaker 1: House press secretary? So, um, when when you all reached

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Speaker 1: they different? And uh, Donald Trump has high turnover. He

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Speaker 1: went through four press secretaries in four years, and none

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Speaker 1: imagine being a press secretary for any other president? Jen Psaki,

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Speaker 1: you could imagine working for a lot of Democrats. And

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Speaker 1: this is sort of you know, this is this is

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Speaker 1: she's obviously she feels her job is to manage information

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Speaker 1: that's what she does well. So that gets to my

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is not having press conferences because it's so

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Speaker 1: old and they're afraid you'll have an old moment. I

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Speaker 1: get that completely, But in terms of the nation getting

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Speaker 1: Are are we just getting it through Jen Saki? And

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Speaker 1: take that back. Uh So you're going to see things

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Speaker 1: come out other ways of Kamala Harris is out there

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Speaker 1: to see. Uh I think I think they've decided that.

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Speaker 1: Uh Joe Biden is just somebody who comes across the

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Speaker 1: he came to the San Francisco Chronical when I worked there.

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Speaker 1: It was two thousand seven, and the whole hour he

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Speaker 1: always had these little language which is where he says

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Speaker 1: things wrong. Two thousand seven is fourteen years ago. That's right,

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Speaker 1: he's got he has issues and how we communicates, and

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Speaker 1: he always has. And Uh. One thing I thought about

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Speaker 1: have they don't They don't have to explain as much

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Speaker 1: be when does he do the press conference? The question

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Speaker 1: is how many people does he call them? Deborah Jay

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Speaker 1: Sanders at Las Vegas Review Journal on the line, you know,

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Speaker 1: to Jack's question, which I think is a really good question,

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Speaker 1: I think it does matter because your press secretary is

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Speaker 1: a shameless spinmeister, says all sorts of stuff, or I'll

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Speaker 1: it's it's a bull crap fest. Whereas the president, if

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Speaker 1: that's the president speaking. It's like if I sent my

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Speaker 1: It's just different. That's not a bad idea. I might

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Speaker 1: start doing that. Yeah, anyway, so devil, we just we

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Speaker 1: just have another minute or so. Uh, you have any

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Speaker 1: idea what you're gonna do now? Sports pages, classified ads

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Speaker 1: still exist. I'm really just trying to catch up on

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Speaker 1: my sleep. Um, I just haven't slept well in four years.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to relax and then I'll come

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Speaker 1: Debor J. Saunder is one of the good ones. It's

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Speaker 1: a shame to see you hanging up your pen there

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Speaker 1: your typewriter, keyboard, but it's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: We wish you well, thank you, thank you. So. I've

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Speaker 1: always loved doing the show, and I hear from people

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Speaker 1: all the time who love you, know, love your show

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Speaker 1: so much, and I get why, thank you. So you

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Speaker 1: hang around dumb people that's nice, that's great. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't. Well, we'll talk best wishes. I'm kidding. I

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Speaker 1: career suicide to do that. I would not do that.

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Speaker 1: We're talking on Friday about Matt Tybee, Rolling Stone and

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Speaker 1: sub Stack, liberal journalist who says the journalists now are

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Speaker 1: doing suff such a softball treatment of President Biden. I

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Speaker 1: mean just he compared it to the Soviet Union, where

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Speaker 1: all the headlines are just so ridiculous, and I just

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Speaker 1: you know, as we get more of our old school

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Speaker 1: journalists headed out and more young people headed in, I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna get more of that not less yummy,

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Speaker 1: yummy boot licking, and get