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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: You've been called a black magician. What is that? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would definitely put that term to myself.

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Speaker 1: It's basically it's using Well, first of all, let's break

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Speaker 1: down the word of magic. It's magic is being able

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Speaker 1: to use non physical or spiritual forces to create physical

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Speaker 1: change in the world around us. The black part of

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Speaker 1: it is basically doing that without restriction. So you're not

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Speaker 1: working from somebody else's moral code or somebody else's scripture.

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Speaker 1: You do have to develop your own moral code and

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Speaker 1: use that to guide you. Absolutely, we all do need

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Speaker 1: a moral compass of our own that that can guide us.

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Speaker 1: But that does come from within and from our experiences.

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Speaker 1: Is more than anything. But it basically is magic without restriction.

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Speaker 1: Who coined the phrase black magic? Oh boy, that's a

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Speaker 1: great question. Do you know what? I have an answer

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Speaker 1: to it. I think the first time that I that

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Speaker 1: I can say for sure it was it was in

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Speaker 1: print with a leafist LEVI when he you know, he

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Speaker 1: drew out the first baffle mean figure. And that's the

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Speaker 1: first time that I actually remember having seen it as

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Speaker 1: far as you know, going back in literature would be

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Speaker 1: a lefist levi and it's it sounds like it could

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Speaker 1: mean something very dark, in something very evil, but it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that is it, you know, it's not it.

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Speaker 1: It definitely can be. I mean, when when you open

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Speaker 1: the doors to everybody's ability to interpret reality through their

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Speaker 1: own moral lens without without having you know, a set

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Speaker 1: of doctrines or commandments, that kind of that kind of

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Speaker 1: freedom can be interpreted as as anarchy. And for sure,

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Speaker 1: for a lot of us it does seem like a

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Speaker 1: spiritual anarchy. At first. We kind of go crazy with

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Speaker 1: the power when we first get our hands on it.

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Speaker 1: But there is a process, it's underway, and you immerse

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Speaker 1: yourself in this magical field that the power of magic

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Speaker 1: itself does create an alchemical process that perfects us, it

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Speaker 1: purifies us, and so we will work through the you know,

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Speaker 1: the need or the need or the desire to control

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Speaker 1: people into to put curses out there and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: That's all really lesser applications of magic. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does. It definitely does evoke the darker sense of

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Speaker 1: things and the evil sense of things, and that does

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Speaker 1: have its place working with the shadow self, working with

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Speaker 1: the darkness, not turning away from it. That is one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest things that one of the biggest gifts

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Speaker 1: that I see right now is that we all have

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Speaker 1: to sit at home and face whatever fears we have,

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Speaker 1: face whatever darkness we have. We're not able to run

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Speaker 1: from it anymore. And that is the essence of black magic,

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Speaker 1: is that there is darkness within them and outside of us,

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Speaker 1: and if we ignore it, you can devour us. If

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Speaker 1: we embrace it and find a way to make friends

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Speaker 1: with it, then it becomes a most powerful ally. Did

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Speaker 1: Alistair Crowley practice black magic? He did. He would say

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Speaker 1: he didn't, but he most absolutely did. He He is

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Speaker 1: one of the forefathers of the modern magical movement that

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Speaker 1: has resulted in even kings like like Satanism sprouting up

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Speaker 1: like a has probably probably definitely, definitely was a torchbearer

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Speaker 1: of Wisperian light. Now, your book is called Become a

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Speaker 1: Living God. Your website is the same. Tell me about

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Speaker 1: that name. Yeah, you know, Become a Living God is

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Speaker 1: an awesome project I got involved with with my partner Timothy.

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Speaker 1: He and I basically put our heads together to figure

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Speaker 1: out how we can go beyond the impact of the book,

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Speaker 1: and what we found is that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: kind of have an aversion to reading and to sitting

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Speaker 1: speaking hard on things, and people want the answers delivered

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Speaker 1: quickly and concisely, and so I started doing not just books,

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Speaker 1: but video content. I have been flooding the Internet with

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Speaker 1: video content, live rituals, video instructions on magic, so get

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Speaker 1: the information into people's hands about how to actually use

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Speaker 1: the occult formula to transform the life in any way

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Speaker 1: that you see fit so become more than God. Is

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Speaker 1: the central hub for that exchange of information. It's basically

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Speaker 1: a project that has allowed me and then several other

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Speaker 1: black magicians from all over the world to upload our

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Speaker 1: consciousness to the net, basically to take all of our experiences,

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Speaker 1: all of our magical knowledge, and make it accessible that

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Speaker 1: anybody wherever they're out in the world. As the Internet

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Speaker 1: has allowed such credible communication, and I'm taking full advantage

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Speaker 1: of it. Interesting. How did you get involved in this?

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Speaker 1: You know? I was, I was born into it. My

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Speaker 1: my my grandmother was a which as far back as

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Speaker 1: you can go on my lineage, I have I have

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Speaker 1: what you saw, which blood in me that and it

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Speaker 1: drew me to this Now. I was given up for

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Speaker 1: I was always drawn to it. I was raised in

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Speaker 1: a good Christian home, but I was drawn to invocations

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Speaker 1: and and summoning spirits and all of this that that

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Speaker 1: late twenties met my birth mother, and she wasn't surprised

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Speaker 1: on the family family blood line. So I was really

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Speaker 1: born into it. And I'll even go a step further

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Speaker 1: than that. When I was born into this world, I

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Speaker 1: already had knowledge from what I believe to be previous incarnations.

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Speaker 1: So when I started learning occult secrets, they weren't secret

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Speaker 1: to me. They weren't. It wasn't learning, it was it

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Speaker 1: was remembering that. It was a flash of I've already

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Speaker 1: known this, I knew kind of go apply it, and

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Speaker 1: I just needed the refresher. Well, when you did it,

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Speaker 1: you did it in a big way. This is what

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Speaker 1: book number ten, oh man, Well, right now, so become

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Speaker 1: a living god. I've got the book. Become a live

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Speaker 1: God to get for free. Become gud dot com and

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Speaker 1: if they sign up for all my newsletters and all

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Speaker 1: of that, you can get that book for free. But

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Speaker 1: I'm actually working on book number twenty right now. So wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've I have been flying forward with a lot of

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Speaker 1: collaborative words. One of the things that I see that

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Speaker 1: already changing, is we're moving away from the competitive model

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Speaker 1: to a collaborative model. And so instead of just writing

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Speaker 1: books by myself and competing with other authors, I've been

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Speaker 1: really keen on working with other authors to create collaborative works,

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Speaker 1: like compendiums that will put out spell books that will

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Speaker 1: a living god and release their works through that. When

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Speaker 1: you practice magic, do you toss out curses on people

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Speaker 1: and spells and things like that? Oh yeah, So at

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Speaker 1: So I respect, I respect the power of a curse

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily the point that a lot of black

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Speaker 1: that there is you know, with great power comes great responsibility,

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Speaker 1: and this is, in my opinion, the greatest power of

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Speaker 1: the perfectly. Have you ever cast a spell on somebody

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Speaker 1: eric in something happened to them? Yes, yes, I've I've

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Speaker 1: I mean, as far as you know, simple control spells,

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Speaker 1: I've also seen some preeople, once again, terrifying things happen

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Speaker 1: I guess I just didn't Once again, I didn't have

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Speaker 1: I have some lessons that I've learned, you know, regrets. Um,

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Speaker 1: But with the lesson extracted, it is exactly what I needed.

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Speaker 1: What have you learned from that? Well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Your specialty. Oh, absolutely go to Eric if you need

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Speaker 1: receive information that I didn't have before, sometimes in languages

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Speaker 1: Where do they come from? Most most demons that you're

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Speaker 1: finding room laws or in books of demonology, you can

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Speaker 1: trace them. Almost every single one of them you can

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Speaker 1: trace back to ancient scenario or to the Canaanites. And

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Speaker 1: these are these are all almost always ancient gods and goddesses.

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Speaker 1: And so as as one culture subsumes another that the

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Speaker 1: two things to get instantaneously changed by the more powerful

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Speaker 1: culture are the language and the religion. If you can

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Speaker 1: and if you can change the word that those people

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Speaker 1: I mean, the name demon seems evil. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: well then the name diamond from Reek just it basically

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Speaker 1: they work for the devil or do they work for God? Well, hm,

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Speaker 1: that's a little it's a little more binary than I

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Speaker 1: think we can nearly get with with this that God

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Speaker 1: and the devil are really on the same team. Oh,

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Speaker 1: don't say one and the same. They're not one and

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Speaker 1: definitely separate. They're definitely separated. When I say the devil,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a small word for such

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Speaker 1: as the Lord of darkness, the Father of darkness, and

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Speaker 1: it is a dark, chaotic force. Now when I say

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Speaker 1: does that mean malevolent to humans? But that it is

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Speaker 1: the force of change, that that even it injects the

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Speaker 1: that create the yin yang, that really create everything and

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Speaker 1: I was understood that that Ormazda, the god of light

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Speaker 1: our in Abrahamic religion has gotten to but the myth

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Speaker 1: hell bound or whatever. That's a pretty pretty new understanding

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Speaker 1: of it. The more ancient understanding was that that these

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Speaker 1: things are beyond good and evil. They are they are

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Speaker 1: necessary forces of nature, and the demons are no more

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been attacked by a demon? Yes? Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what you have. Yeah, it's I've never been attacked

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Speaker 1: by a demon that I've called, but I have had

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Speaker 1: other black magicians trying to send demons at me, and

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Speaker 1: I have definitely experienced attacks. I've experienced extreme sickness points

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