Speaker 1: Oh Macrown, great timing. M hmm, I love oh man.
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is it could happen here a
Speaker 1: podcast about Greek numbering schemas. Garrison, what do you? What
Speaker 1: do you? How do you? How do you feel about?
Speaker 1: Oh macron? This has nothing to do with the topic
Speaker 1: we're talking about. So this is this is an update.
Speaker 1: A few of right last week were earlier this week
Speaker 1: we discussed the uh the truck or scheduled our episode
Speaker 1: recorded before the truck convoy for after the truck convoy
Speaker 1: had already done a bunch of things, which was really good.
Speaker 1: So we we recorded to talk about the trucks that
Speaker 1: were that we're going to show up at Ottawa and
Speaker 1: thing things did happen? Maybe not that not because like
Speaker 1: I've been listening some of their claims or like an
Speaker 1: Alex Jones is parenting there now that it was like
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand to a million truckers and there's three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand truckers in all of Canada, like but it
Speaker 1: was like it was like it was a lot of
Speaker 1: people like not to not to downplay what happened. So
Speaker 1: we're to give an update on what happened there and
Speaker 1: kind of discussed maybe any ramifications that stuff like this
Speaker 1: could have going forward. But to help with that, um,
Speaker 1: we have Dan who came on last time to help
Speaker 1: discuss Hello, thank you for coming on again to talk
Speaker 1: about the same thing. Thank you for having me. We
Speaker 1: last less off with you saying that you hope I
Speaker 1: don't come back on again, because that would be a
Speaker 1: good thing and it would mean that the bad things
Speaker 1: did not happen. So sorry to be here under such circumstances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to go over the bad Yeah, So let's
Speaker 1: let's briefly do like a recap of like what this
Speaker 1: thing was like, like why why was it happening, and
Speaker 1: like what was the idea. When we last left Canada,
Speaker 1: a bunch of truckers were angry that they had to
Speaker 1: present evlations evidence of vaccination. This spiraled and, as I'm
Speaker 1: understanding it, at some point them rejecting all public health measures. Yes, actually,
Speaker 1: the the exact demands are for the federal and provincial
Speaker 1: governments to quote terminate the vaccine passports and all other
Speaker 1: obligatory obligatory vaccine contact tracing programs UH, to terminate COVID
Speaker 1: vaccine mandates UH, and quote respect the rights of those
Speaker 1: who wish to remain unvaccinated. Uh And here's where it
Speaker 1: gets weird. Uh see a good devisive rhetoric attacking Canadians
Speaker 1: who disagree with government mandates. Kind of hard to say
Speaker 1: when that one's fulfilled and finally ceased to limit debate
Speaker 1: through coercive measures with the goal of censoring those who
Speaker 1: have varying or incorrect opinions. That's what the convoys for.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you all know what a government is?
Speaker 1: Evidently I was at some debates with the state that
Speaker 1: went a lot uglier than it looks like this. One
Speaker 1: went oh yeah, yeah, we we we can talk about that.
Speaker 1: This this the standoff has been well, there's been just that,
Speaker 1: it's been a standoff in that regard. So it seems
Speaker 1: like they've kind of hooligan around a bunch of towns
Speaker 1: and threatened a homeless shelter if they didn't give them
Speaker 1: food and that left trash everywhere, and set up a
Speaker 1: checkpoint on the border, or just a blockade on the border.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably more accurate. There's been blockades going
Speaker 1: on and up the border. I think the most noteworthy
Speaker 1: is an Alberta and coop right now, but I might
Speaker 1: be pronouncing that wrong. And what was the police It
Speaker 1: was something along the lines of we don't think there's
Speaker 1: like a policing solution to this problem. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're totally up to date that that happened today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a little after two on lafter two pm today,
Speaker 1: the Ottawa Police Chief Peter Slowly said in a press
Speaker 1: conference that quote, there may not be a policing solution
Speaker 1: to this demonstration. Is it really that easy? It's evidently
Speaker 1: it's that easy if you wait till kind of like
Speaker 1: the media has had a few days and most of
Speaker 1: the coverage is just like breaking bad things still happening.
Speaker 1: Uh so it's it's not great. So what what was
Speaker 1: the lead up on set? Right? Because they were all
Speaker 1: they were all all the trucks and caravans and stuff.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to live on Saturday? What was the lead
Speaker 1: up on Saturday? Like and like what what what happened
Speaker 1: like the actual like first day? Yeah, so Saturday was
Speaker 1: technically the first day, actually Friday. Throughout the day a
Speaker 1: lot of people started arriving. So the occupation has been
Speaker 1: we're recording now Wednesday. Um, it started on Friday and
Speaker 1: and the main like the largest contingent of the convoy
Speaker 1: was staying overnight Friday night in a nearby town called
Speaker 1: Armfire west of Ottawa, and they moved in from our
Speaker 1: empire to Ottawa on Saturday morning. At the same time,
Speaker 1: people converged from other parts of Canada. Um to Ottawa's
Speaker 1: east is Quebec and to Quebec's east of the Maritime provinces,
Speaker 1: and three thousand people at least came from Quebec and
Speaker 1: met with the convoy to on Saturday, kind of coming
Speaker 1: in from different parts. The day between Friday night and
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon and Saturday was kind of the big day,
Speaker 1: the big party. UH. The main point of contention and
Speaker 1: the main thing that happened was some major streets are
Speaker 1: gridlocked by vehicles moving into the city into the very
Speaker 1: crowded core of Ottawa, my hometown and staying stationary on
Speaker 1: busy roads. Both commercial and residential roads are part of this.
Speaker 1: Driveways for both businesses and residences were blocked off. Fire
Speaker 1: roads were blocked off, and Owen's routes are blocked off.
Speaker 1: Local businesses that stayed open had to close throughout the
Speaker 1: day Saturday, largely UH. Some managed to not and many
Speaker 1: of you just stayed closed already because they knew what
Speaker 1: was going to happen, and this happened. Closures that happened
Speaker 1: on Saturday are mostly still going on today as I'm
Speaker 1: speaking to you. Wednesday night, UH closures followed patterns of harassment,
Speaker 1: some alleged assaults which Robert mentioned before, else happened at
Speaker 1: a homeless shelter in downtown Ottawa, and pretty much everyone
Speaker 1: I've spoken to, I've I've been in Ottawa, visiting it
Speaker 1: to my hometown, and pretty much ever what I've spoken
Speaker 1: to who lives in the downtown core is that a
Speaker 1: slew of story since Saturday of either harassment at work
Speaker 1: or just harassment walking through the streets. And the worst
Speaker 1: part of it all is that right now there's not
Speaker 1: a clear ending in sight. What is it like on
Speaker 1: the ground there in terms of you know, there's like
Speaker 1: kind of like a blockade around the border. They're like,
Speaker 1: what else is like around Ottawa? What's like what like
Speaker 1: what what is what's it like to walk around in
Speaker 1: these places? And like how big is the area that
Speaker 1: these people are staying at? Like where are they staying at?
Speaker 1: Are they all sleeping in their trucks. Who staying at hotels,
Speaker 1: what's like what's like the It's an excellent question. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a mix of hotels were booked up the
Speaker 1: week leading up to the weekend, as as the new
Speaker 1: cycle kind of exploded, more and more people called into
Speaker 1: hotels in Ottawa. A lot of people actually brought tractors.
Speaker 1: People are also sleeping in their trucks. Uh. Of course,
Speaker 1: people have like family and stuff staying in Ottawa. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they're staying with them. Um, it's a mix of everything. Actually,
Speaker 1: I know a guy who even his car was like
Speaker 1: blocked off in the parking lot. He has to parking
Speaker 1: because he's downtown. He doesn't have street parking or driveway parking,
Speaker 1: like it's in a public lot. And he couldn't get
Speaker 1: his car out for over a full day because an
Speaker 1: RV camper set up near him and just blocked him off.
Speaker 1: So it's a mix of everything. Uh. Starting on Saturday,
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of partying, a lot of music,
Speaker 1: a lot of kids. Uh. It's gotten a little bit
Speaker 1: more chaotic and less condensed since then. And also the
Speaker 1: area is hard to gauge because streets are actually constantly
Speaker 1: as vehicles move out for one reason or another. Streets
Speaker 1: are kind of being retaken back organically by the city,
Speaker 1: but then sometimes throughout the day getting retaken again back
Speaker 1: by the convoy. So the occupation has been a little
Speaker 1: fluid on some of the outside streets. Wellington's Street, which
Speaker 1: is the street outside of Parliament in Ottawa, has been
Speaker 1: consistently occupied, to my knowledge, blocking off kind of not
Speaker 1: actually blocking off, but you have to walk past them
Speaker 1: as a pedestrian to get onto Parliament Hill. So that's
Speaker 1: where the kind of the core is, the action of
Speaker 1: the action is, and everything else spreads out from that
Speaker 1: and near hotels, Uh, there's a little more action because
Speaker 1: that's generally where people are staying. How has members of
Speaker 1: Parliament and like local Poul Titian has been reacting since Saturday?
Speaker 1: I know there was there was some videos of like
Speaker 1: I think one of the MP's from Alberta was giving
Speaker 1: an interview that gained some traction online. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of curious, like how the like different government
Speaker 1: officials are talking about this. I'm actually so glad you
Speaker 1: asked that because as of today, the divide in members
Speaker 1: of Parliament has actually led to some pretty incredible political ramifications.
Speaker 1: So last time we spoke, I think Aaron O'Toole had
Speaker 1: just earlier in the day endorsed compoints that he'd be
Speaker 1: coming down. Erin o't tool, for those unaware, is the
Speaker 1: leader of the Conservative Party of Canada. He's a real
Speaker 1: real otool. Wow, whoa whoa mind blowan, no one, no
Speaker 1: one could have seen that joke coming. Every every Canadian
Speaker 1: listener just like collectively mold. Yeah. So aeronauts tool and
Speaker 1: just endorse the convoy. He'd been getting some tough questions
Speaker 1: about it. Following everything we just talked about and more,
Speaker 1: aeronots will walk that back and said, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't approve of the way that the convoy was acting
Speaker 1: in Ottawa. This led to a swift referendum on his
Speaker 1: leadership and earlier today Aeronot Tool was voted out as
Speaker 1: the Conservative Party leader in Canada. And that does have
Speaker 1: pretty big ramifications. I know. I talked about Erino Tool
Speaker 1: a decent amount in my previous Canada episodes for cadapp
Speaker 1: and here. Um, so yeah, that'll be really interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Who uh what's do you have any idea of when
Speaker 1: the new person is going to try to get voted it. Like,
Speaker 1: when when do you think that process is going to
Speaker 1: happen to fill that spot. I'm actually not sure. I
Speaker 1: haven't looked up when it's gonna happen. It feels like
Speaker 1: there's been months before where there's an anti leaders of
Speaker 1: the Conservative Party. The main concern right now for the
Speaker 1: outside of Conservative politics is because erin o Tool was
Speaker 1: considered relatively moderate. He talked about in the Fascism Canada
Speaker 1: episode how erin O't tool kicked out Darren Sloan from
Speaker 1: the party for being pretty coy on donations from neo
Speaker 1: Nazi Paul Front on his campaign. Uh. Overall, like, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty great thing, that Erino Tool that kicked him
Speaker 1: out of the caucus, Like regardless of other elements of
Speaker 1: that leadership. Uh, there's worrying that that kind of there
Speaker 1: will be continued forward, especially because Sloan was also in
Speaker 1: the leadership race and Sloan has only gotten further right
Speaker 1: since then. Yeah, it is this despite Aerono tools not
Speaker 1: great aspects, which there are lots of. He did he did,
Speaker 1: he did take it. He did kind of hold back
Speaker 1: some of the more problematic, uh conservative like elements, whether
Speaker 1: that be you know, people from you know, from his
Speaker 1: own party, like like Derek, and then I'll so keeping
Speaker 1: kind of the people's party stuff at bay um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that will be an interesting kind of power struggle. Now,
Speaker 1: that will be something to observe. I think the thing
Speaker 1: that concerns me most about all of this is the
Speaker 1: implication of the implications for this is a tactic. We
Speaker 1: saw a version of this that was more limited in
Speaker 1: scope and time in Portland when this huge Trump caravan
Speaker 1: rolled through downtown, blocked off big chunks of downtown and
Speaker 1: like just maced and shot people with paintball guns at random,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, I think everyone there
Speaker 1: was surprised at how many folks they got for it. Um.
Speaker 1: This is a much more evolved version of the same tactic,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of stuff we talked about in season
Speaker 1: one of it could happen here. This idea of like
Speaker 1: people coming from these conservative majority areas in a place
Speaker 1: where the vast majority of people are liberal but centralized
Speaker 1: in the cities um and blocking those cities off or
Speaker 1: otherwise disrupting their ability to transit UM, potentially their ability
Speaker 1: to get things shipped in like food, UM, like their
Speaker 1: ability to use free movement UM. And we've seen pieces
Speaker 1: of this again in a bunch of places in Oregon
Speaker 1: during the wildfires. You had these rural communities setting up
Speaker 1: checkpoints and stuff, looking for people from the cities that
Speaker 1: they could bill as Antifa. And it's this it's this
Speaker 1: world worrying trend for a couple of reasons. Number One,
Speaker 1: when you get ten people to do something like this,
Speaker 1: even if the city has hundreds of thousands of people,
Speaker 1: that's effectively too large a group to police UM. And
Speaker 1: the police don't want to police it anyway, so there's
Speaker 1: not even really an attempt to stop them. UM. And
Speaker 1: it's a way in which the vast majority of Canada,
Speaker 1: at least based on the polling I'm aware of, UM,
Speaker 1: is not in support of the causes these guys are backing.
Speaker 1: Was it like sevent of the country supports some level
Speaker 1: of like vaccine mandates, UM, if I'm remembering correctly the
Speaker 1: last one I read. So this is not a popular movement.
Speaker 1: It's not even super popular among the truckers. Like the
Speaker 1: actual it doesn't matter how many people in the cities
Speaker 1: you can get. If you can get fifty people to
Speaker 1: do something like this, the police won't will not take action,
Speaker 1: and you can negatively impact the lives of a huge
Speaker 1: number of millions before it gets radical, right, That's when
Speaker 1: these guys are not coming in with guns with the
Speaker 1: express plan to eliminate people or trying to specifically block
Speaker 1: up food. They're just kind of sucking around now. But
Speaker 1: it's this kind of is this thing we've talked about
Speaker 1: where you have this is the thing in Canada and
Speaker 1: the United States, you had liberals kind of outsourcing the
Speaker 1: protection of society to this group of increasingly heavily armed
Speaker 1: and radicalized people who are now in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases fascists. Um. And that means that when there's a
Speaker 1: problem with a large chunk of people who hate everything
Speaker 1: you stand for, the people that you have completely outsourced
Speaker 1: protection to are all unfavor of fucking with you because
Speaker 1: they hate you. And it's it's a problem in Oregon,
Speaker 1: It's going to be a problem in fucking New York
Speaker 1: City or whatever at some point. It's a problem in Ottawa. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, am I am I off base? Here?
Speaker 1: Am I am I? You're not on base at all?
Speaker 1: And uh like there isn't there isn't anything to to
Speaker 1: really elaborate on past what you said the last time
Speaker 1: we spoke, I think, Robert, you said there's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot. It was what you said that could really
Speaker 1: really be done with the vehicle occupation tactic, and this
Speaker 1: unless a lot of people are willing to meet them
Speaker 1: with an equal force, which unfortunately Ottawa didn't have. Like
Speaker 1: it's an Ottawas. Ottawa's a relatively large city in Canada's
Speaker 1: there's over a million people that live here. It's also
Speaker 1: by land mass, I think, the largest city in Canada,
Speaker 1: like east to west. It's it's very spread out, so
Speaker 1: it's a low population density. So even the affected area
Speaker 1: downtown is actually like pretty small in relation to the
Speaker 1: city itself, which is pretty unfortunate. And like it's not
Speaker 1: a particularly packed downtown for a large downtown. I am.
Speaker 1: I am curious kind of on the violent aspect um
Speaker 1: has Like I know there's been like um of increase
Speaker 1: in death threats to members of parliament, like specifically liberal
Speaker 1: members of parliaments, specifically liberal members of parliament who are
Speaker 1: women who are maybe not white. Um, so I would
Speaker 1: curiously if if you have any more kind of information
Speaker 1: on that side of things, and then how how violence
Speaker 1: has popped up in a few places throughout the past
Speaker 1: like a week. Basically, yeah, there's been a lot. So
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you're going by what's reported, like
Speaker 1: right now, there is by most estimates, under a thousand
Speaker 1: maybe at most a few thousand, very fars spread out
Speaker 1: people as part of the convoy. As of yesterday, there's
Speaker 1: thirteen active police investigations. The police of the city, the
Speaker 1: City of Ottawa said in the An Oppressor. We obviously
Speaker 1: know when there's like thirteen active investigations in anything this big,
Speaker 1: there's way more that's not being reported, not being invest stigated. Um,
Speaker 1: like they took you know, like these things are going
Speaker 1: to thirteen is going to be resultful of something bad.
Speaker 1: So some of the things that happened Robert mentioned before
Speaker 1: the illegit assault on a houseless person inside of Shepherds
Speaker 1: of Good Hope in which a security guard was also
Speaker 1: called a racial slur. Uh. There was a house that
Speaker 1: diplayed displayed a rainbow flag outside of it, that had
Speaker 1: harassment and poop thrown at it. Um they have been
Speaker 1: we need to get a hundred thousand people together to
Speaker 1: throw their own poop back at these people. It's the
Speaker 1: only way they'll learn. Yeah, fighting fire with fire is
Speaker 1: that that expression? I'm sure just emerged from just tossing
Speaker 1: poop at each other's strategy. It's meant for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been suggestions all of our social media channels on
Speaker 1: like here's how you can poop in snowbanks without getting caught.
Speaker 1: Businesses have been harassed, the violenced, So like what I
Speaker 1: think maybe some context that isn't always known. In Ottawa
Speaker 1: on Saturday and until recently, dining in in restaurants wasn't allowed.
Speaker 1: We were actually in a relatively strict lockdown following around
Speaker 1: a chrown wave, and a lot of people even coming
Speaker 1: like didn't know that. Like I spoke to people on
Speaker 1: Saturday who were like, hey, do you know like when
Speaker 1: the restaurants around here open so we can like sit
Speaker 1: down for a meal. And I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: sitting down on autous. So what people were doing they
Speaker 1: were going inside cafees like two horns and stuff, and
Speaker 1: they were just refusing to leave in eating their food
Speaker 1: there anyways, and if there was no seats, they were
Speaker 1: just like eating in line. It was also minus twenty
Speaker 1: eight degrees in Ottawa on Saturday and very very cold
Speaker 1: On Sunday there was an extreme cold weather warning, so
Speaker 1: especially when people brought their kids, there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of other options other than like swarm the malls and
Speaker 1: swarm restaurants. And even then the mall, the main mall
Speaker 1: downtown Rito Center was closed probably throughout the day because
Speaker 1: it was not a safe place. So I already talked
Speaker 1: before about routes getting blocked. Also not physical violence, but
Speaker 1: honking has been keeping people awake. There's been endless honking
Speaker 1: if you watch video footage from it, and even in
Speaker 1: the background right now, I'm coming from Ottawa, like I
Speaker 1: can hear honking in my background. Um, some people allegedly
Speaker 1: parked and then urinated on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, this isn't political. Is even the wrong
Speaker 1: way to describe a lot of the what's fun about
Speaker 1: this for these people, it's that they suck. Yes, fucking
Speaker 1: it's just coolly. It's just fucking cooliganism. Uh. And that's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's fucking cooliganism. There's gonna be a lot more
Speaker 1: stories coming out, for sure. Uh as things progress. Um
Speaker 1: of stories of harrassment, Like I've talked to people who
Speaker 1: have gotten a cat call in the night. People getting
Speaker 1: violent altercations, street fights. I'm sure you're going to break out.
Speaker 1: It's kind of at a very tense point right now.
Speaker 1: And Auto we're at that point we're like, okay, we're
Speaker 1: seeing some signs like pops getting thrown at the houses.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen next? Because the police are saying they
Speaker 1: don't have a plan, and the truckers are saying they're
Speaker 1: not leaving. What's it like outside of Bottawa, across across
Speaker 1: all the other places where there's like similar activity happening.
Speaker 1: They're all looking to us and being concerned. From what
Speaker 1: I'm talking to, UH, anti fascists and Alberta are particularly
Speaker 1: concerned right now with the goop protests. There's ongoing to UH.
Speaker 1: It keeps seeing popping up like US Canada border activities
Speaker 1: in the same there's a few attempted convoys by Americans
Speaker 1: and even before in Europe there was a few attempts.
Speaker 1: Some got turned away, some Americans got turned away the
Speaker 1: Canadian borders. They weren't vaccinated. M Yeah, which is you know,
Speaker 1: like it's like you think, because that's the reason they're
Speaker 1: saying they're protesting, they would have remembered that and thought
Speaker 1: maybe that's gonna like come into play, but I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because mean, there is a certain point
Speaker 1: where if you get enough people going, it would be
Speaker 1: interesting to see people really do just try to like
Speaker 1: drive through the border. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean there's
Speaker 1: been people like you look at social media channels, a
Speaker 1: lot of them saying like the borders are blocked right
Speaker 1: now with thousands of truckers supporting our cause. So if
Speaker 1: you saw that and you believed it, and then you
Speaker 1: went to the board and your turn away fading in vaccine,
Speaker 1: you meant thought, well, I thought I had you know,
Speaker 1: nine people the same causes being we're ready to use
Speaker 1: for us, which begs the question, but what happens when
Speaker 1: you do exactly? I don't want to find out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. That's the thing is like if if if
Speaker 1: they do, if they did have what they say they had,
Speaker 1: would they just start doing those things and not even
Speaker 1: think about it and not even think about like the
Speaker 1: politics of it. They're just doing it to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I should also mention too, we talked last time about
Speaker 1: a Plaid Army slash Diaglon members comments. Uh, they were
Speaker 1: broadcast on the news about doing another quote January six,
Speaker 1: uh and it came out the news to do was
Speaker 1: first reported by Frank magazine and I think by the
Speaker 1: Canadian antiad network that he was arrested on fire up
Speaker 1: Striges and no a scotiap before coming here. Worth noting
Speaker 1: he was reporting live on Info Wars on the Alex
Speaker 1: Jonestones on Saturday before this came out and Derek still coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek Sloan and Ezrael Event were also on the same program.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned Info Wars before. That's that's great, That's
Speaker 1: what's going on there. Can you see any like beyond
Speaker 1: the conservative leadership? What other kind of political implications are
Speaker 1: people thinking about in Canada. It's really tense seeing what's
Speaker 1: gonna come for other cities. Also, Otto was expecting a
Speaker 1: second wave some other people in other places that kind
Speaker 1: of didn't think the first one is going to be
Speaker 1: huge success. We're saying, well now that it's an occupation,
Speaker 1: we're coming and police are even saying there's a second wave.
Speaker 1: It's a very tense place right now. We don't really
Speaker 1: know what to do. Community places are taking direct community
Speaker 1: members are talking about taking direct action. Because it's been
Speaker 1: so long. This isn't something that the city of Otta
Speaker 1: is particularly used to, unfortunately in my lifetime, and so
Speaker 1: the ramifications of the future pretty jarring. But what's alarming
Speaker 1: is how successful this occupation was with a relatively small number.
Speaker 1: I think the highest estimate it was eighteen thousand people
Speaker 1: into a city of over a million, which isn't really
Speaker 1: that many when you think about it, but the strategy
Speaker 1: was very, very effective. You think about how many fighters
Speaker 1: it took for Josh to take control of mosl it
Speaker 1: if people if there's not resistance, like, there's only really
Speaker 1: a few areas of a city that you need to
Speaker 1: occupy in order to have a great deal of control
Speaker 1: over what can be done. Yeah, and that's the tough
Speaker 1: part is they have a lot of control over that
Speaker 1: small area in residents lives. They don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of control over Parliament, which is what they're protesting for. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've also just to see has the Canadian mility, Harry
Speaker 1: you said anything about these protests and the situation. So
Speaker 1: the Attawa police chief in his pressure day was asked
Speaker 1: a lot about that, and he's still shying away. He's
Speaker 1: still saying he doesn't think military is the only option,
Speaker 1: which if you're an activist on the other side of
Speaker 1: things and worried about police escalation hurting you in the future,
Speaker 1: that might be a good thing to hear. Ye, and
Speaker 1: I see your shitty news. I'm not convinced that the
Speaker 1: military would fix the problem. I'm not either. And also
Speaker 1: Ottawa had other police forces coming to They said they're
Speaker 1: spending eight hundred thousand dollars a day, uh, initially to
Speaker 1: just cost of policing. Yeah. They also said they've only,
Speaker 1: like bylaws, only had a hundred fifty tickets since this
Speaker 1: whole thing started in the occupied zone. So it's it's
Speaker 1: unclear what a lot of them did other than you know,
Speaker 1: keep up appearances. Uh. Like I was walking around, I
Speaker 1: saw York Region police officers walking around with their patches.
Speaker 1: That's hundreds of kilometers away from Ottawa. So the police presence,
Speaker 1: especially on the weekend, was not low. We we had
Speaker 1: plenty mhm. They either didn't know what to do, I
Speaker 1: thought it would die later, or a mixture of all
Speaker 1: the above. And there's been talked to mixtures of Some
Speaker 1: police officers have not been happy with it, but there
Speaker 1: hasn't been really anything in the news yet, because no
Speaker 1: one's come forward. A lot of like tweets of like
Speaker 1: from reporter saying I have an anonymous source in the
Speaker 1: auto police. It says they wish more actions were taken,
Speaker 1: some saying otherwise, it's not really united right now. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's scary. Is there any counter protests being planned for Ottawa?
Speaker 1: If I knew, i'd say so because by the time
Speaker 1: this errors, it would have happened. So I think it'd
Speaker 1: be safe to talk about. But fortunately, I'm not really insure.
Speaker 1: I'm not actually sure that it might not be the
Speaker 1: best person to ask. Yeah, we're keeping an eye out. Well,
Speaker 1: the good news is that all men die, and so
Speaker 1: long as men die, liberty will never perish. Right, that's good.
Speaker 1: It's an upside. That is an upside. That's an up
Speaker 1: positive shot. All right, Well, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on this and um what what
Speaker 1: results from it, because it's all pretty concerning, um and
Speaker 1: worth having having an eye And I'm particularly curious is
Speaker 1: to just like what kind of direct community responses to
Speaker 1: this develop because I think that's going to wind up
Speaker 1: being the only long term solution, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of what people saw in Portland that there's a there's
Speaker 1: a degree to which like the only thing that really
Speaker 1: works as a response is is outnumbering them. Yeah. On
Speaker 1: on that note, it might be maybe not the smoothest transition,
Speaker 1: but there are actually some Autoo mutual aid funds and
Speaker 1: then Avoca Secret Yes that are doing some some cool
Speaker 1: stuff and there's stuff with that. There's too many of
Speaker 1: a list for every but others have compiled list and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna point to you there. So Rose Ottawa, which
Speaker 1: stands for Rainbow Outawa Student Experience, serves two s l
Speaker 1: G B t q I A plus post secondary students
Speaker 1: on unseated algonquin On a Shnave territory. Though they have
Speaker 1: closed opt nations for themselves following a wonderful spike recently.
Speaker 1: They have a list of black lead and black empowering
Speaker 1: organizations on their website with donation links, and you can
Speaker 1: reach that at Rose Ottawa dot org slash donations. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a cool little Instagram account called transis Beautiful. O
Speaker 1: T T O T T stands for Ottawa and that's
Speaker 1: all one word. It's been plugging small fundraisers for queer
Speaker 1: folks affected by the convoy, including housing support on their Instagram. Again,
Speaker 1: that's trans is beautiful. O t t on Instagram. Uh,
Speaker 1: something we didn't get to talk about, which is ram
Speaker 1: Ranch Ram Ranch dot c A r A m Dash
Speaker 1: Ranch dot c A. A website was set up in
Speaker 1: the name of trolling the convoy Zelo chats and has
Speaker 1: been doing a fantastic job about There's a whole army
Speaker 1: of trolls in the trucker's elo chats and it's been
Speaker 1: really entertaining to tune into. They've compiled a list of
Speaker 1: charities on their website. You can check that out at
Speaker 1: ram Dash Ranch dot c A and clicking on the
Speaker 1: Rancher's donation song. And yeah, where can where can people
Speaker 1: find you on the internet? People can find me on
Speaker 1: the internet. I'm super active on Twitter at at spineless
Speaker 1: lt where it spineless the letter l fantastic. Well, hopefully,
Speaker 1: hopefully this gets all resolved and I don't need to
Speaker 1: fly up to Canada to go to a protest, and
Speaker 1: if if we do, that'll be fun. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to go to Canada for a minute. Yeah I can,
Speaker 1: we can. We can take drugs at to Morton's. That
Speaker 1: would be fun. Yeah, god, you know, I haven't vomited
Speaker 1: into Tim Horton's bathroom in a long time. Our local
Speaker 1: McDonald's that got famous on the internet for fistfight that
Speaker 1: someone pulled a record in another backpack during had to
Speaker 1: actually stop being twenty four hours after the mayor pleaded
Speaker 1: with them because it was using up too many police resources.
Speaker 1: That is the best kind of place in a year.
Speaker 1: That's so dope. Oh god, yeah, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to set up somewhere on the border in the
Speaker 1: East coast to Tim Horton's, directly across the street from
Speaker 1: a waffle house and just let him fight. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we do we we do this. That here. That's
Speaker 1: that's what you'll have to bring that for. You have
Speaker 1: to bring that over, bring a waffle house. Fives over.
Speaker 1: All you need to do is watch a man get
Speaker 1: stabbed and then spiritually you're at a waffle house. That
Speaker 1: and that that ties back to the future of the convoy.
Speaker 1: You're right, well that that does it for us today, everybody,
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