1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, I'm Jemma Spake and welcome back to the 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Psychology of Your Twenties, the podcast where we talk through 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: the biggest changes, moments, and transitions of our twenties and 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: what they mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. It is 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: so great to have you here. Back for another episode. Today, 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: let's talk about an exceedingly common anxiety and maybe unhappiness 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: for many of us in our twenties, for many ages. Actually, 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: let's be honest, and that is the depressing state of 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: the nine to five life and our increasing disillusionment with 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: this way of living. For so many of us who 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: go to college or who just have like professional ambitions 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: of any kind, it kind of feels like the nine 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: to five is our professional destiny. There's no avoiding it, 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: as hard as we try. And for all of its downsides, 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: like it does offer structure. It offers the structure and 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: the kind of work that most of us are told 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: we should want and that would reward us. If you 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: study hard, you get the degree, you get the job, 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: you work your way up, you buy your apartment, you 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: buy your house, Like that's going to be a happy life. 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: That's the blueprint. And if you don't love it, if 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: you feel trapped by it, exhausted by it, very resentful 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: of it. There's this assumption that maybe you're just lazy, 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: or you're ungrateful, or you are expecting too much from 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: your work life, and it's unreasonable. But I actually don't 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: think that's true. I think a lot of us are 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: asking a very fair question, which is why does a 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: lifestyle we spend the majority of our adult years in 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: so often feel deeply misaligned with how we naturally want 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: to live. Do I just have to get used to 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: this or is it actually that wrong to want more? 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, I don't think the issue is always 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: the job. It is the structure that it demands from us, 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: and the fact that for a lot of people it 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: will never be fulfilling. Just the very nature of that 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: work is not fulfilling. So what's next. That's what we're 38 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: going to discuss today, The three reasons why the nine 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: to five may feel so unnatural for you personally, the 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: personality factors that influence your tolerance or indeed your enjoyment 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: of this lifestyle. How to love your life outside of 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: your job using some very important psychological hacks, and I 43 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: guess when it's time to risk it and try something 44 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: beyond the traditional nine to five work lifestyle, and your plan, 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: your exact plan for doing so, from somebody I e. Myself, 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: who has done it, so stay with us. Why is 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: it that our nine to five can feel so unnatural 48 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: and foreboding at times? Basically, why does it feel like 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: such a scam that we spend our entire lives in 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: service of somebody else with a weekend and maybe four 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: weeks vacation if you're lucky. I know that's a very 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: dramatic take to call the nine to five life a scam, 53 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: but I know it's a take that a lot of 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: you have, and I think that's for a few reasons. 55 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Number one, it is never just a nine to five. 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: It's an eight to six if you include getting ready 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: and you'll commute, it's an eight to seven, or an 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: eight to eight if you include overtime, maybe even longer. 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: And then it's the fact that you're expected to be 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: switched on and functioning for all those hours when we 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: know that humans can only do focused, intensive work for 62 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: probably three to four hours max per day, and so 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: that leaves us with very very little energy to want 64 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: or even to desire to do anything else when we 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: get home, other than each hower maybe watch a TV show. 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Because of the fact our nine to five takes up 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: the majority of our waking productive hours, it is very 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: difficult to establish a personality beyond work because our motive, 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: our energy is depleted by the monotony of the routine, 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: meaning that friendships, hobbies, personal goals like those are the 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: things that get deprioritized. This also has a secondary effect 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: that I don't see many people talk about, which is 73 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: that as our lives become more centralized around work, so 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: does our mood, so does our emotional state. In psychology, 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: this has a name. It's called identity fusion or role engulfment. 76 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: It's a process wherein we lose ourselves to the roles 77 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: we play as that role dominates over all other facets 78 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: of our sense of being, So basically our nine to five. 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: If we're not curveful, it doesn't just steal our hours, 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: it steals our identity. Now, what happens if you're nine 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: to five then becomes really toxic. What if you stop 82 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: enjoying work, Because that's fine if you're having a good 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: time at work. But what if your boss or your 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: coworker becomes unpleasant, what if deadlines pile up? There's no 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: escaping from that when work is all you have and 86 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: when you have nothing else beyond that. If you have 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: experienced role in golfment, you know your interests, your purpose, 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: your fulfillment becomes the job, and you become the job essentially. 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: You know what also influences this. Definitely, we get burnt 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: out when we have too much to do. We also 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: struggle when we don't have enough to do. There was 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one study that found that workplace in 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: life satisfaction is equally influenced by being underworked as it 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: is by being overworked. It's so hard to find like 95 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: just that sweet spot with a nine to five where 96 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: you're like equally challenged whilst also not feeling like entirely 97 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: dominated by work the routine, and I think just the 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: system in itself is not designed to work in parallel 99 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: to a fulfilling life. Because of that reason, and because 100 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: of many reasons, including reason number three why your nine 101 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: to five at time feels so unnatural, and that is 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: that the nine to five was designed for when people 103 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: had a domestic partner to take care of all the 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: other little things that life requires from us. The first 105 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: nine to five like forty hour work week was introduced 106 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: in like the nineteen twenties, I think nineteen twenty six, 107 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: almost one hundred years ago, when almost ninety percent of 108 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: men who were working age were married by the age 109 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: of forty. Women traditionally did not work once they got married. 110 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: They were only I think they only made up a 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: quarter of the workplace, meaning a nine to five model 112 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: at that time operated on the idea that most people 113 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: men you know, had someone who could do the groceries, 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: could maintain their home, could take care of the kids, 115 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: could organize their lives. So you're basically at this point 116 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: doing the job of two people, and then you're expected 117 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: to have a personality on top of it. An article 118 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: I read from MIT actually found through historical records that 119 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: pre industrial workers actually had shorter days and work weeks 120 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: than we do today. Back in those days, many people 121 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: only worked like one hundred and fifty to one hundred 122 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: and eighty days per year according to UK historical data. 123 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: They basically got a six month old due to the 124 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: agricultural seasons, due to church holidays, due to how wages 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: and hours were structured. I think it's a common misconception 126 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: that these days we must have the most progressive working 127 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: conditions and wages and hours of all time, and that 128 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: the nine to five is basically just normal and natural, 129 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: because of course it is. That's how it's always been. 130 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Research shows that it's not the most normal and natural, 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and it's not the way it's always been. I think 132 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: the final reason now nine to five can feel so 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: stifling is because it's hard not to think eventually, like 134 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: is this all there is? Especially in our twenties, there 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: is definitely a level of existential fatalism that there's no 136 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: escaping this system. Like at some stage we start projecting 137 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: forward and forward and realizing, hey, wait, I have maybe 138 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: like seventy to eighty good years here. I'm twenty two, 139 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty nine. Now I retire at sixty five, 140 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: I have thirty to forty years of this left, and 141 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: then I get ten years to like enjoy this, and 142 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: that's all. That doesn't sound fair, nor does it sound 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: like you know, the dreams that you have as a child. 144 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Like, there are huge benefits to 145 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: working in nine to five I loved my nine to 146 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: five for many reasons. Number one being financial stability, number 147 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: two being just life stability and the structure and the predictability, 148 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: and number three being community and the people around you. 149 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: And also the fact that like unlike working for yourself, 150 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: when you leave the workplace, like when you go home 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: for the day, for the most part, like you can 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: switch off right, like you're allowed to leave because it's 153 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: not like it's not your business on the line. There's 154 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: definitely perks, right. I'm not trying to villainize the nine 155 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to five, but I do believe rather strongly actually that 156 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: not everyone is meant to work a nine to five, 157 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: just like not everyone is meant to be a doctor 158 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: or an actor or a priest, and not everyone is 159 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: meant to work for themselves either. There are certain personalities 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: that when it comes to this nine to five lifestyle, 161 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: they will never find fulfillment. There's no getting used to it. 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: Regardless of the job, the workplace, the boss, the pay, 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: all the other factors. It is the structure that they 164 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: have a problem with. One theory of why this is 165 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: comes from union psychology and the union personality types. So 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: if you aren't familiar with Carl Jung's theories. He is 167 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: essentially one of the grandfathers of modern psychology, and he 168 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: believed that there are eight personality types and twelve archetypes 169 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: that each person can essentially fall into. This has now 170 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: been expanded, like in the last one hundred years, to 171 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the sixteen personality types, also known as your meiers Brig 172 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: Personality Type Indicator that is based on Yung's work. I 173 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: have to say there's been debate recently around the legitimacy 174 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: of this categorization. We have a full episode on this. 175 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: I think it's like our personality test. Legit you can 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: go and listen to it, but if you do follow 177 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: the theory. According to the sixteen personality types, only four 178 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: out of the sixteen do well in a structured work environment. 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: That is twenty five per twenty five percent of people 180 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: only who have the attitude, temperament and personality to thrive 181 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: and enjoy this type of work. These are the I think, 182 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: the logic, the defender, the executive, and the console. Basically 183 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: they're like the sentinel personality types. And these are the 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: people who are practical. They're highly organized, they like tradition, 185 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: they like structured environments, they're very self motivated. They do 186 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: well in a nine to five. The people who, according 187 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: to the Meyers Briggs research, don't do well in a 188 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: nine to five or don't find that it suits them 189 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: are the analysts and the explorer types, also known as 190 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: our entrepreneurs, entertainers, debates, architect, adventurers. These aren't job titles, 191 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: by the way, They are the names that they give 192 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: to the specific configuration of personality traits. And these groups 193 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: represent those of us who are very independent, but also 194 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: very spontaneous, very creative, very motivated. We can solve we 195 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: can work diligently. That's not the problem. We struggle to 196 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: do that though, when we're being instructed to do so, 197 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: when we don't see the purpose behind why we've been 198 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: asked to do it, when we don't care about what 199 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: we're doing, When the schedule that we have to do 200 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: something by is set by somebody else. Signs that this 201 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: may be you, is that it's not the job that's 202 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: annoying you, it's the structure around the job. You may 203 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: love the industry you're in, You may love what you do, 204 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: You just wish you could do it more independently or 205 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: for yourself, or you wish you could set your own hours. 206 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: You wish you had more of a say over how 207 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: it affected you in your life. This, my friends, is 208 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: why you may have a secure job, you may be 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: really grateful for the paycheck, but still completely disillusioned by 210 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: the entire idea of working in nine to five for 211 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: the rest of your life because because of the way 212 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: it sits in contrast to how you see yourself and 213 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: your future. What is the solution to that, Because it's 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: probably not just quit your job. That's too simplistic. It's 215 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: like when people hear about your relationship problems and are like, 216 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: just dump him, Like, yeah, get it over with, dump him, 217 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Like That's not how it works. It's not how life works. 218 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: At this stage, you have two options. You either have 219 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: to find a way to tolerate the nine to five 220 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: by making your life around it bigger and grander, or 221 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: you have to find an alternative to the nine to 222 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: five that sits better with your desires and personality and 223 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: make the transition to it. We're going to explore both 224 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: of these alternatives after this short break. Stay with us, Okay, 225 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: If the idea of the nine to five is leaving 226 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: you feeling entirely empty. As I said, you have two options, 227 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: de center your nine to five or find an alternative. 228 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna start with number one. Even if you aren't 229 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: made for the nine to five lifestyle and you identify 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: with one of those personalities we just spoke about, it 231 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: may just be unavoidable based on what you've chosen to do, 232 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: maybe even what you love to do. It may also 233 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: be unavoidable just based on the time you're at in 234 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: your life. I think for a lot of people in 235 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: their twenties, the nine to five may not be forever, 236 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: but it is for right now. In order to establish 237 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: your career, to avoid feeling crushed by it, we have 238 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: to work on strengthening our out of work personality, interests 239 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: and life to be seismically bigger and more impressive than 240 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: our workplace personality, interests and life. This is what we're 241 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: going to do. Number one. We need to delineate between 242 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the two different sides of our life almost physically, and 243 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: we can do that by creating any kind of ritual 244 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that signals to our brain that we are switching from 245 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: one part of our life to the other at the 246 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: beginning and end of the workday. Some examples of that 247 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: are always having a shower as soon as you finish work, 248 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: especially if you work from home. Always changing your clothes 249 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: before you leave work, always going for a walk after 250 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: you finish the day, shutting your laptop, dipping it away, 251 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: living it at work if you can, if you work 252 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: from home, putting it in a specific location, listening to 253 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: the same song, same album, anything like that. You just 254 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: need to signal to your brain, okay, like we are 255 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: done with that for the day, we are switching to 256 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: this other area of our life, our personal life. And 257 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: they sound really small and simple, but psychologically, having that 258 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of physical boundary is important because the brain relies 259 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: heavily on contextual cues to mode and identity switch. Essentially, 260 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: without a clear transition, your nervous system struggles to distinguish 261 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: between work mode and personal life mode, especially when so 262 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: many of us work from home or we just have 263 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: to be digitally connected after hours. There's been this research 264 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: into role transition theory, especially around people who work in 265 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: high pressure environments, so think emergency rooms, prisons, policing, and 266 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: it shows that having this kind of queue helps reduce 267 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: emotional spillover because they have that cognitive separation between their 268 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: professional identity and their personal identity. You have to be 269 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: consistent with it, though, like it's not going to register 270 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: if you don't make it a routine. But that is 271 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: like one of the first easiest ways to separate work 272 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: from home. Number two, be careful of role enmeshment by 273 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: making sure that you have things you genuinely care about 274 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: and are working towards outside of work. I think our 275 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: twenties are when we are most at risk of our 276 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: professional identity becoming our only identity because we're kind of 277 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: like fresh to this new environment. We haven't really learned 278 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: like the balancing act that people older than us have, 279 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: And I honestly think, well, I can say that like 280 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the beginning of nine to five life, it's very romantic, 281 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: it's really fun. It's kind of like being in the 282 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: start of reunion again, like your friends with everybody hard, 283 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: there's free snacks, Like it's very easy to be like, 284 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: this is great, this is so fun, this is so romantic. 285 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: We don't want to leave it until it's too late. Though. 286 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: The biggest antidote to roll enmeshment is hobbies. If you 287 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: don't have something that you can genuinely say like you're 288 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: passionate about and enjoy doing beyond your job or beyond 289 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: what needs to be done to survive, your likelihood of 290 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: burnout is dramatically higher. We've all heard the statistic that 291 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: you need five hobbies, one to stay fit, one to 292 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: build knowledge, one to spark creativity, one to keep you sane, 293 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: and one to make you money. Just choose two of 294 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: those categories to begin with. And if you're struggling with 295 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: what you'd actually enjoy like, or if you find that 296 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: like typical hobbies are like a bit boring to you, 297 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: I think the essential route to finding what you would 298 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: personally find interesting is going back to what you loved 299 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: as a child. When you're you just had the most 300 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: purest kind of curiosity, desire, and interest. Also, don't be 301 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: afraid to like abandon a hobby and be in like 302 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: a hobby dating stage. I love running. I love spending 303 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: like three hours on a Sunday jogging around London or 304 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: where I am. But I know for a lot of 305 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: people like that sounds awful, It sounds like there's nothing worse. 306 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: The point is to enjoy it, and if you're not, 307 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: make a list of like twenty five different things you 308 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: want to try and go at it. Make it a priority. 309 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Once a week you're going to try. You're going to 310 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: date each of these hobbies until you find a match. Basically, 311 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: what this is doing is outsourcing your identity a little 312 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: bit more outsourcing your passion to something beyond work. In 313 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: a similar vein have specific things that you do each 314 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: night of the week, or at least some nights of 315 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: the week. In particular, I would say like two to 316 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: three days per week you should have something on where 317 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: you're not just going home, and you're going and doing things. 318 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: Similar to the rule of five hobbies, I like the 319 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: idea of the rule of three evenings. Every week. You 320 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: need one evening to do something with yourself, one evening 321 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: to do something with your friends, one evening to do 322 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: something for your development. This is about injecting novelty back 323 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: into the monotony of the nine to five routine by 324 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: forcing yourself to fill your calendar deliberately with other things. 325 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: One more rule, big rule episode, but another one that 326 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: helps bring novelty back into the boringness of full time 327 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: work is the rule of two to two. This is, 328 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: funnily enough, a tip I actually stole from relationship maintenance research. 329 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: It says every two weeks you've got to go out 330 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: for a novel fun evening. Every two months, you have 331 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: to go away for a weekend. Every two years, you 332 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: have to go away for two weeks, two weeks a month, 333 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: something like that. Can't remember the brilliance of this. Yes, 334 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: obviously it comes from relationship therapy. But the brilliance of 335 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: this is that you have something to look forward to. 336 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: Part of the pessimism around the nine to five is 337 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: that when we imagine the future, it looks awfully like 338 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: the present and awful lot like the near past, and 339 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: that loss of expectation and anticipation also means a loss 340 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: of curiosity and optimism. I know it can feel like God, 341 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: I have to have all these rules. It's an upward 342 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: battle to like have a life that I actually enjoy. 343 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: But it does work. And I think having the nine 344 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: to five not be the only present structure in your 345 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: life is how you bring back meaning to your life 346 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: because it is not the only priority, it is not 347 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: the dominant force. Finally, before we get into the should 348 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: I just quit advice, you need to genuinely assess whether 349 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: you have a vision for yourself and why you're doing 350 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: this job. One of the hardest parts of the nine 351 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: to five routine isn't always the work itself, as we've 352 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: been saying, it's the feeling that your life is happening 353 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: in service of something meaningless. Psychologists call this goal in congruence. 354 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: It's when your daily actions, identity, purpose, whatever, it's in 355 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: a state of disharmony with what you actually feel you 356 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: want to do or deserve to do. Your brain, when 357 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: it has that goal in congruence, is far less able 358 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: to tolerate stress, boredom, repetition, delayed gratification. There was the 359 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen study published in the journal Frontiers of Psychology, 360 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: and they found that people whose jobs gave them a 361 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: broader purpose in that they felt they were they were 362 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: doing some kind of greater good, or there was a 363 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: greater good they were striving for or b gave them 364 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: self realization basically a sense of autonomy, authenticity, self expression. 365 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: They felt better not just about their work life balance, 366 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: but about their lives. Does your job provide either of 367 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: those two things, a broader purpose or a sense of 368 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: self fulfillment or self realization? You have to seriously ask yourself, 369 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: like why am I doing this job? And is it 370 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: a satisfying reason? Is it because of stability? Is it 371 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: because of opportunities? Is it because of what it allows 372 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: you to do for others? Is it because it's impressive? 373 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: Is it because it was just the first job you 374 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: applied for and you happen to get it. Is it 375 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: because everybody else at your UNI was going into this discipline? 376 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: You may as well follow them. Why why are you 377 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: doing this? And if that reason isn't enough, once again, 378 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: no lifestyle change is going to fix that, because doing 379 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: something you feel has no meaning for forty hours a 380 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: week is not easily reversible. So this is when we 381 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: arrive at the maybe I need to just get out 382 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: of here point of this conversation, And by here I 383 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: mean not just the job, but like the nine to 384 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: five lifestyle. First thing to consider before you jump the gun? 385 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: Is there a way that you can do the parts 386 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: of your job that you love in a different format 387 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: before you quit? So like freelance shift work, is there 388 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: a way that you can hone in on the one 389 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: part of the job that you like and do that 390 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: in a specialized way. I think jumping onto parallel tracks 391 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: before diverting the path is obviously a possibility. Secondly, is 392 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: there just any way of doing this job in a 393 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: way that satisfying? What would you risk by trying out 394 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: that path before you risk the entire structure. I think 395 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: it does eventually come down to a cost benefit analysis 396 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: of you know, if I have again seventy good years 397 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: on the earth, and I have one life, and I'm 398 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: in my twenties, and i have more freedom than I 399 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: ever will, and I'm if I'm being honest with myself, 400 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm not very happy, Like would I continue? Should I 401 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: continue to choose this? Not? Should I keep doing this? 402 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: Would I choose this for myself every day from now? 403 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: What are the pro cons of that? I think it 404 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: will feel very scary to walk away from something stable. 405 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: But this is something we often miss when we sit 406 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: down and do a pro cons list of like do 407 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: I stay or do I go? Do I change? Do 408 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: I stay the same? We underestimate. We don't properly assign 409 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: the frustration and hopelessness of the years ahead of us 410 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: and the cumulative load of that satisfaction. We often just 411 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: account for our unhappiness right now. We think it's going 412 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: to pass, and it doesn't. It just turns into apathy 413 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: and resentment. We underestimate that, and we overestimate the difficulty, 414 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: specifically the emotional difficulty of this leap of faith. There 415 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: is this amazing psychological model called the Rollercoaster of change. 416 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: It was developed by Elizabeth Hubla Ross. She's a Swiss psychiatrist, 417 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: and it talks about how we're going to feel our 418 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: worst about a decision, the moment that we make it, 419 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: as we realize, you know, we need to let go, 420 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: there's nothing left for me here. We're disorientated, we're angry. 421 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: That's what we're going to feel really bad. The moment 422 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: we say, oh my god, I realize I need to 423 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: change is when we're going to feel the most intensely. 424 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: But it's also when you get to work. And as 425 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: soon as you're at that load point, she assumes. She says, 426 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: things do improve as you move through these other stages 427 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: of exploration, purpose, problem solving. All of these activities of 428 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: rediscovery will alone re engage a part of your brain 429 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: that you previously probably weren't using very much. So you 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: will begin to feel a sense of meaning and purpose 431 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: coming back into your life, even if it is scary, 432 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: because you have something that you meaningfully feel you are 433 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: working towards even if the outcome is unknown. If your 434 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: next question is, okay, what do I do instead? I 435 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: actually don't know what I want to do. This is 436 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: a very simple exercise that may be able to reveal 437 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: that for you. It consists of, I think it's like 438 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: four or five questions. The first, what task do I 439 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: naturally find myself engaged in without even trying? Basically? Where 440 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: does my flow state come from? What do I enjoy? Secondly, 441 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: what do people naturally come to me for help with? 442 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: What does that kind of reveal about what you are 443 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: naturally good at? How important is money to you? And 444 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: how important is purpose? If you're being very honest, would 445 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: you be willing to sacrifice one for the other? In 446 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: ten years time? How do you picture your ideal workday? 447 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: What are you getting up? Where are you working? Are 448 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: you in an office? Are you surrounded by people? Are 449 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: you outdoors? Are you doing deep work, busy work, creative work, 450 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: physical work? What does it look like? How do you feel? 451 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: And in fifty years time, what will you be most 452 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: proud to say that you have done that you haven't 453 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: yet accomplished? What do you keep coming back to? Here? 454 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: I had a professor say to me once. Your purpose 455 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: isn't that hard to find. It is the thing you 456 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: think about every day, but talk yourself out of every night. 457 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: If you think it's your calling. I don't think it 458 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: ever stops calling, but you get very good at ignoring 459 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: it if you don't pick up after the first few rings. 460 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: I think, deep down you know you know what you 461 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: want to do. Now it's worth examining, like why am 462 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 1: I afraid? Really stop and think for a second, like 463 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: what is that deep fear keeping you in this unhappy place? 464 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: Is it that you will never be enough? Is it 465 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: that you'll fail, That people will be mad at you, 466 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: embarrassed for you, that they'll see you trying, and that 467 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: will be whatever cringe. I think it comes down to 468 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: two separate problems. The first is a practicality problem. The 469 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: second is an ego problem. And they're different and they 470 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: need to be addressed in different ways. We're gonna talk 471 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: about how after this final short break. So when it 472 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: comes to making the decision to leave your nine to 473 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: five behind, addressing the problem of ego as first, and 474 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: it means being okay with not being able to control 475 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: how people perceive you because of your choices. There is 476 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: going to be judgment. There's probably gonna be a lot 477 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: of fear from people who love you that's going to 478 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: look like judgment. What we have to return to is 479 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: our why, over and over again, Why am I doing this? 480 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: Why is this important to me? I think you know 481 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: your answer. It's important to you because you don't believe 482 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: you deserve to be unhappy, because you want more, because 483 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: you know you have a calling, because you know yourself, 484 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: You think, and you believe, and you have to believe 485 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: that work can be enjoyable because you have to try. 486 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: That's your why. Everybody has one and a twenty twenty 487 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: one study found that having a y behind a major 488 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: life decision or change that you can put into a 489 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: single statement and point to and say this is why 490 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing this, it greatly impacts your follow through, greatly 491 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: impacts your perseverance, your success, and remind yourself like you're 492 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: not without backup options. You've already done plan B. Like 493 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people go in with plan A and 494 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: don't have Plan B sorted out, You've done Plan B. 495 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: You went back to front. There is no issue in 496 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: that you could eventually return to that job that you're 497 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: going to leave that's always going to be there. You've 498 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: done the training, the you've done the degree, you've got 499 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: the work experience, Like you are in a better position 500 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: than many to now take a risk because you do 501 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: have fallback. I also think we need to be aware of, 502 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of the time, the judgment that we 503 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: think or know will come from other people is really 504 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: just desire that they have that can't be expressed. They 505 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: are looking at your choice, your decision, and it's easier 506 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: to say that's going to fail, or to say what 507 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: are they thinking? Then to acknowledge what this person is 508 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: really thinking deep down, which is that why did I 509 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: have the guts to do that? And the fear that 510 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe it will end up turning out really well for you, 511 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: and they're going to have to face the fact that 512 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: it could have turned out really well for them as well. 513 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: So just be conscious of why and how other people's 514 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: opinions about your choice is probably more of a reflection 515 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: of them than of you. Next is the practicality problem. 516 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: As someone who has quit their nine to five for 517 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: this very podcast, I want to tell you some things 518 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: to be prepared for. I think we definitely glamorize quitting 519 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: the nine to five grind, because of course we do 520 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: like unless you're part of the twenty five percent who 521 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: are made for that lifestyle, like, there are challenges and 522 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: you're going to be unhappy, but there are also challenges 523 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: with the like I quit my nine to five and 524 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: I've never been more fulfilled lifestyle that we see and 525 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: things that you probably wouldn't think about. The first one, 526 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: which you probably do know, is that it's very expensive. 527 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: They do tell you this, I will say, but I 528 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: just think practically speaking, you need to be prepared for 529 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: a lifestyle adjustment. So I personally had from memory, like 530 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: three to four months of expenses saved up, and I 531 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: did have my like door back into my nine to 532 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: five that I was very grateful for. It was still 533 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: a risk. The risk was worth it for me, just 534 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: because something is a risk, though it doesn't mean it 535 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: needs to be spontaneous, and so I really took as 536 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: much time as I could to prepare, save, save, save again, 537 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: build alongside your nine to five for as long as 538 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: you can if you can, and have a bit of 539 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: a squirrel mentality, you know how squirrels like bury hide 540 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: their food, hide their nuts to survive the winter. I 541 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: did that as well before I quit my nine to 542 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: five in the six months kind of leading up to 543 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: me quitting, I would yes, I was saving, but I 544 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: was also like putting money onto an emergency debit card 545 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: that I then put away for a rainy day that 546 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: I didn't have access to. I also got my car appraise, 547 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: so I knew what that was worth and what I 548 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: was working with. I also picked up tutoring work and 549 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: I got paid in cash, and I wouldn't spend that 550 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: money and I would hide it away so that like 551 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: on a rainy day, it was there. The squirrel mentality 552 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: was really helpful as well, because it stopped me from 553 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: feeling like this was going to be a disaster and 554 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: that I was going to fall flat on my face financially. 555 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: Like I felt like there were different levels that I 556 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: would drop to when I knew, like, oh my god, 557 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't working out. And I was so lucky 558 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: that you know, it all did work out and I 559 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: never had to use a lot of those things. But again, 560 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: a lot of it was psychological, and then I felt 561 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: like I had the safety net. The second thing they 562 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: don't tell you, and as a pathological extravert, I wish 563 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: that somebody had said this, it is very, very lonely. 564 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: When you quit your nine to five. There is this 565 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: period of like elation and excitement and like you're pursuing 566 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: your dreams and you're building something and you're trying something new. 567 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: Unless you have friends who are also doing that, or 568 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: your friends and like creative industries or who run their 569 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: own businesses, a lot of the time you're like, I 570 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: am waiting. I'm going to spend my whole time waiting 571 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: for somebody to also clock off from their nine to 572 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: five so that we can hang out. And it can 573 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: it's a very unique situation to be in to feel like, oh, 574 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: nobody else really knows what I'm going through, But also 575 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: I chose this. I wish I just would have a 576 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: friend in this, and it can be quite an isolating thing. 577 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: And the third thing is boundaries. If you thought you 578 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: didn't have boundaries at your nine to five, pursuing a 579 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: big dream, working for yourself, pursuing something I don't know, 580 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: creative or a business, you will have less boundaries there 581 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: because now you are the boss, the employee, the accounting department, 582 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: hr social media, you're everybody, and you're not just doing 583 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: this for somebody else. You're doing this for you. It 584 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: all counts like your input is directly correlated to the output. 585 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: And yes there's a bit of luck kind of thrown 586 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: in there. But with the traditional job, like you're a 587 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: team and there's somebody else who can help you, there's 588 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: also somebody else that you can kind of blame. You 589 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: are gonna work much harder unless you were like a doctor, 590 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: or like in finance or in a very high pressure job. 591 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: I would say nine out of ten times, you're going 592 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: to work longer, more intense hours on this new path. Again, 593 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: it's worth it because you get the full impact of 594 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: that output, you don't have to share it. And also 595 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: I think the dedication and motivation is much more accessible 596 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: than it is when you're working for somebody else, perhaps psychologically, 597 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: because you have a clearer vision and your goal is clear. 598 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: You know what you want, you know what you're after. 599 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: It's there. This is for you, but be wont there 600 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: are some just other considerations. So some things to include 601 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: in your I want to quit my nine to five plan. 602 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: Make sure you know what your explicit vision is for 603 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: why you're doing this. Can you see it, can you 604 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: write it? Can you think about it. Can you feel it? 605 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: What are three things that you're going to do in 606 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: the first week, first month, first three months to execute 607 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: that vision? Make sure you have practical steps. Have you 608 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: thought about how you're going to manage money, how you're 609 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: going to manage connection, and how you're going to manage boundaries? 610 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: Are you willing to sacrifice things in that department? I'm 611 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: hoping your answer is yes. And what is the backup 612 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: plan that doesn't require you to go back to your 613 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: nine to five? I think you can have two backup plans. Right. 614 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: The nine to five is always going to be there. 615 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: The effort that you put into that is always going 616 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: to be there. What's your other plan for this more? 617 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: I work for myself creative, big dream, independent lifestyle that 618 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: won't require you to have to have made this big 619 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: leap and then go all the way back. Maybe just 620 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: go slightly back. I don't think there's any shame in 621 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: going back to the drawing board or having that plan. B. 622 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: There's been heaps of times where I, you know, something 623 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: wasn't working, and I think it's definitely this evolve or 624 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: die mentality, and that's probably something you were missing in 625 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: your nine to five evolution? But just be prepared that 626 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: it's not going to be this easy, glamorous thing that 627 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about online. It is a struggle. 628 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: I still think again, it's worth it, and at the 629 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, you're probably at this point when 630 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: you have little to lose and a lot to gain. Right, 631 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: the job that you've been doing or are currently doing 632 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: has already taken all that it can from you. And 633 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: I think when you get to this very existential point 634 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: of like what am I doing this for? What am 635 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: I here for? What? Like? Why am I wasting my 636 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: time pushing there is no pushing through that. The only 637 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: thing that's on the other side of that is just 638 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: to become completely switched off and resentful. So if you have, 639 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: even in the slightest capacity, the desire to move beyond 640 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: this lifestyle, the capability, the financial position, or you could 641 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: put yourself in a financial position where you should give 642 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: this a go. I think just even having the experience 643 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: of three, four, five months of trying is going to 644 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: be worth so much so that at least you can 645 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: go back to your nine to five if it doesn't 646 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: work out and say, hey, but at least I didn't 647 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: have to sit here for the next thirty forty years 648 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: wondering and wishing and thinking what if, what else? What 649 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: could have been? So that is kind of your guide. 650 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: In summary, I want to say, if you are struggling 651 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: with your nine to five right now and you are 652 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: feeling like it is crushing you, you are most certainly 653 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: not alone. I hear about it all the time because 654 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: I think this life, the way that it is set up, 655 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: it's no longer just the nine to five. It's so 656 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: much more than that. It's so time consuming, so crushing 657 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: in a way that I think, I think that we 658 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: can't really understand until we're living it. It was made, 659 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: this idea of the nine to five was constructed in 660 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: a different time, and it's okay to want more, and 661 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: it is possible to have more. I think again, there 662 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: are certain personalities for whom the nine to five will 663 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: never be fulfilling. Maybe that is you, And if it is, 664 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: you have those two options. Either deprioritize your nine to 665 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: five whilst you're still in it, or seek an alternative 666 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: and take the risk, especially if you're in your twenties, 667 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: like why not, Like obviously, if you have a valid reason, 668 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: don't take this as like, oh, be disappointed in you 669 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: or like you're giving up on your dreams. Because I 670 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: know it's very complicated and it's not an easy to say, 671 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: but if the reason it's quite paper thin, if it's 672 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: a bit of a paper wall that you could push down, 673 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: I think you kind of owe it to yourself to try. So. 674 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: I hope this has been motivating. If you have made 675 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: it this far into the episode and you're listening on Spotify, 676 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: leave a comment down below. What is the life that 677 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: you want beyond the nine to five? What is the 678 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: dream job? Maybe you don't dream of labor or dream 679 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: of a job. What is the dream life that you 680 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: are looking for beyond this structure. I hope that you 681 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: find it. I think that you are absolutely capable of 682 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: doing it. I don't want to like sit here and say, oh, 683 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: because I've done it, you can, because I know everybody's 684 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: circumstances are different. But if you have ever thought like 685 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: is it worth it and will it work out? The 686 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: answer is yes, and I do think that you owe 687 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: it to yourself. You can watch this episode on Netflix 688 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: and all other episodes by following the links in the description. 689 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: You can read the transcript of this episode on substack 690 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: also available in the description. Instagram links to my book. 691 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: All those things are down there as well if you 692 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: want to do some exploring again. I hope you enjoyed 693 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: this episode. If you have any further thoughts that you 694 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: want to share, you can DM me on Instagram and 695 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: I would be happy to listen to them. But until 696 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: next time, be safe, be kind, especially, be gentle with yourself. 697 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: If you're finding yourself very burnt out by work, I 698 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: feel you. We will talk very very soon.