WEBVTT - Huffing & Puffing 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.280 Ka boom. If you thought more hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.480 a week was enough, I think again. He's the last 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.200 remnants of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.320 He treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.360 the rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.120 of hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:29.680 Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.640 We kick off yet another weekend with the Fifth Hour 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.720 with Ben Mallard, because four hours a night are not enough. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.239 Eight days a week, eight days a week from the 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.200 Mallard Podcast studio deep in the north Woods. We're back 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:49.840 at it and we thank you for finding the show, 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.360 for supporting the podcast. The numbers have been great. We 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.080 are here every weekend, even a holiday weekend, and we 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.800 are here for you. And you know by now if 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:04.399 you're listening, chances are you are aware that this is 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.720 a spinoff of the Overnight Radio show and it is 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:13.120 only available in the domain of the podcast and the 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.039 vast i Heart podcast Network the power of that, but 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.200 wherever you get your podcast. So we thank you for 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.560 spending some time with me flying solo. Uh. We have 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.480 a lot percolating in the Fifth Hour world and the 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.840 radio show. It's like intertwined. These things are intertwined. We'll 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.880 get to a the P principles. The P principles. We 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:41.880 have the surprising request. The surprising request from a listener. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.480 It's really not a request, that's I'm not phrasing that properly. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.960 It's really a message from a listener of complaint. But 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.600 I have to set the listeners straight. So I'll explain 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:56.880 what that's all about. But we begin with final preparations. Now, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.320 if you have been listening to me over the years, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.720 you know that there is a ritual that we have 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.360 on our show. It was on the radio show for 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.280 many many years, and then we moved it to the podcast, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.079 and then we shifted it to a YouTube platform. I'm 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:22.360 referring to announce your pronouns Benny Versus the Penny, and 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.280 the season is going to kick off next weekend. So 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.400 if you're listening to this podcast on Friday, assuming there 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.560 are no last minute hiccuffs and things don't go wrong, 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.160 we will have Benny Versus the Penny. It's not going 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.880 to be on this podcast unless something has gone typically wrong. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:47.440 We are in conversations in conversations with others to put 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.880 the podcast together, which is not it's not a party, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.360 it's the Benny Versus the Penny, which is a standalone show, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.120 will be a video a component to it, and we 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.000 will yet again attempt to take down the sports books 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.200 and we can remind you of some of the keys 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.280 of that. Of course, as we point out every year 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.440 on Benny Versus the Penny, that the sports book sets 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.040 the opening line, but the gambling public is the one 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.080 that establishes the final line. A lot of people are 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.760 confused by that, uh, and there's this overconfidence based on 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.280 the gambling line. But we'll get into all of the 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.920 different truisms of gambling and uh, you know, think in 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.040 terms of betting a little to win a lot and 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.400 the types of gambler that are out there. And one 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.920 of the things that we stress on Benny Versus the 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.120 Penny is to avoid being the one wearing the dunce 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.960 cap right in in gambling, it's very similar to Wall Street. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:52.520 They love the casual gambler, they love the Cambel casual gambler, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.320 and they call it get that dub dumb money right 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.320 the book. He's love the school air, the square is 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:07.760 the average unsophisticated gambler whose decision making is based on 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.960 a hunch or some kind of manipulation. Uh. He might 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.960 have a system, or you just watch some guy on 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.120 ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC say something said, Well, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.599 like I said it, it must be true. Uh, and 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.600 then you you go down that garden path and you 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.719 end up getting some trouble. So we'll give you Benny 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.719 Versus the Penny. I wish I had a big announcement now. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.680 A good talk show host would say, Hey, it's going 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.040 to be at this time on this platform, so you 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.760 better tune in. But that's not what we're doing. We're 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.320 still working out the final details even at this hour, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:50.200 and it will be onwards and upwards for Benny versus 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.760 the Penny, and I am excited about it. I love 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.560 Benny versus the Penny because that means football is in 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.160 the air, all right, and we want to make you 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:07.880 a professional winning gamble. Now, not a square, right we 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.839 mentioned a square is the person that the casinos love. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.160 They love the square gambler. You do not want to 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.520 be the square, right, You want to be a sharp. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.120 The sharps are usually members of a big syndicate. They 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:27.960 have the the insider information and all that the weather, developments, injuries, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.080 all of the important information. You want to be more 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:32.600 like that? Not that. Am I a sharp? No, I'm 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.640 not as sharp. Of course I'm not as sharp, but uh, 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.920 I got a pretty good amount of information. I have 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.479 access to a lot of information. So hey, that's Benny 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.800 versus the Penny. And just if you've been asking, I 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.359 know we've gotten some people that have been sending me 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.600 messages on social media. What's going on with Benny versus 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.599 the Penny? Uh? Is it gonna be back? Yes, it 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.960 will be back. Where is it gonna be? I can't 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.920 say that yet. As I said, I can't say it yet, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.039 but you will be no worse for the wear you 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.440 will find out follow us on social media. I will 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.880 send it out on Twitter, I'll send it out on 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.240 Facebook and even Instagram. And let you know. Now, if 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.960 you listen to the radio show this past week, you 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.080 you heard Eddie Garcia. Was Eddie happy on the Friday 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.920 show or what? Eddie was so excited at one ft 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.680 out the door, one ft out the door as he 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.600 is preparing for a vacation. Eddie's going to Washington d 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.440 C infective and reminded if he didn't hear the Friday show, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.520 and I know this is on Friday as well, but 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.760 Eddie did say, if you're a listener within driving distance 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.200 of Washington, d C, Eddie is willing to hang out 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.200 with you. He met Doc Mike in Chicago and Aida 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.599 pizza while Doc ad a salad, which was was very awkward. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.440 But Eddie is going to be away. It's Eddie's wild vacation, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:51.360 which means the most important week on our calendar, the 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.080 most important week for sports talk radio. I'm gonna go 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.320 out and say, for the rest of the year, is 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.960 this mean week? Now? Why is that? Why is this 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.839 the most important week? I'll tell you. The sports talk 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:12.160 radio industry is built on the foundation of the NFL. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.480 We all rally around the National Football League, and it 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.920 takes a village of people to put this together. Like 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.000 the networks, they encourage you to take your vacation in 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.240 the summertime. Now a lot of people take vacation. I 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.600 will take time off in late December because a lot 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.920 of things shut down. So there's this weird dead period 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.840 in football season. Is this weird dead football period in 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.240 the middle of the season there, and Uh. The thing 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.760 about it, all right is that's that's okay for like 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.680 a week, but the beginning of the year, you want 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.520 to get off to a good start. You want to 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.000 get off you want to mean business, right, you want 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.600 to get out of the gates, out of you know, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.840 and feel good about yourself. It's like the way college 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.560 football teams typically schedule money game is early on. Uh, 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.120 they line up the hostess, schedule the cupcake, the apple pie, 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.400 all of that because they want to get off to 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.440 you start feel good and get a couple of wins 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.760 under your belt before you start getting some difficult, more 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.520 difficult competition. Well, the same thing goes on in sports radio, right, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.000 It's very important to get off to a good start. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.600 You want to have everything clicking sounding good. Um, there's 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.200 more commercials that you'll hear during this time of the year. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.640 So we've Draft Kings, which is a fine sponsor not 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.200 only of the radio show but also the Fifth Hour 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.679 podcast as an example. Um, so it's an important time here. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.240 But anyway is gonna be gone, and that means we 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:44.600 will be stuck with Ned Flanders, the buckaroo, the man 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.320 that believes he's God's gift to comedy, will be in 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:53.600 the news room providing us with sporting news. So it's 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.400 one of those deals when he's in here, Brian Finley, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.720 give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you seven scores. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.520 That's essentially how that's gonna go. But again, it's the 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:07.240 most important week of the NFL season, and we will 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:14.760 have live, original audio content every single night during the weekend, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.959 and we'll hand over the baton. Eddie's handing over the 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.480 baton to someone that will sabotage the show, So we 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.280 were guaranteeing that there will be sabotage. Also, I've got 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.760 a number of messages from people saying, is that blind 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:34.400 on Blind Octagon a real thing? Is that actually gonna happen? 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.080 And if you miss the overnight show this week, we 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:43.640 had a brew haa haa a Donny Brook a knock down, 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:50.040 drag out battle royal if you will, between Blind Scott 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.400 and Blind Sea Bass. Now, Blind Sea Bass is in Nashville. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.120 He stopped calling the show for a while. All of 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.640 a sudden, a Blind Sea Bass entered the Fray again 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.600 and has returned to the show, and he's very upset 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.240 with Blind Scott because blind Scott and Boston. According to 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.520 blind Sea Bass was supposed to help him get a 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.840 support dog, and then blind Scott like disappeared. I don't 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.560 know all the facts, but I just know there's bad 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.840 blood and blind Scott called up and he was like, Hey, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.520 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna partake in this. And 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.480 then of course blind Scott then talked himself into doing it. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.640 He talked himself into doing it, and I'm all about it. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.200 I think it would be a great week to do it. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.880 Blind Sea Bass Blind Scott the first blind on blind 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.320 Verbal Octagon. If you're unfamiliar with the Verbal Octagon, it 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:47.400 is audio fisticuffs and it's all like don'keet kong uh. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.480 It's one of the more enjoyable things that we do, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.520 and it's essentially a way to settle a beef. Be honest. Here, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.000 we've had women in calling. We had Tammy and Montana, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.719 the late Genie in Medford in the octagon. That was 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.920 one of the more famous ones. Pete and Pittsburgh versus 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:11.480 the World was was great. We had real talk who 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.560 was in an octagon back in the day. There's been 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.280 been many different versions of the Octagon, but We've never 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:22.720 had a blind on blind version, so I want to 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:28.320 make that happen. I'm thinking Monday into Tuesday or Tuesday 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:33.720 into Wednesday. That would be the perfect set up. Three rounds, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:40.440 a knockdown, drag out steel cage deathmatch in the octagon. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.400 So hopefully that will we'll take place down. Meanwhile, let's 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:49.760 get to the secret sauce, if you will, the Secret Sauce. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.280 So this is another one of those things I've been 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.280 meaning to get to and I have not gotten to it. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.040 A number of people have said, hey, the show that 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.120 you do is a lot different than many of the 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.679 other radio shows, which is which could be a compliment 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.400 at its best, which means as good as all the 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.600 rest or or could be a derogatory term at its worst, right, 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.640 So I guess it just depends how you want to 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.640 interpret it. So I am going to interpret it that 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.920 that is a compliment that if you've you've bothered to 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:27.200 send me a message via social media or email and said, hey, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.640 I like you know X, Y and Z about the show, uh, 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.200 and it's different and why is it different? What makes 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.040 it different and all that stuff. So I've gotten a 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.400 few of those messages and I meant to get to it, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.920 and we've had other things and so I have not 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.760 gotten to it. We certainly don't reinvent a wheel. And 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.360 I'm not saying that what we do is any better 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.360 than anyone else. Everyone has their own desires and own 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.680 their their own taste and all that stuff. And people 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.920 full of hot air, right, We're all full of hot air. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:00.360 We're all gas bags and blowhards with tremendous ounce of 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:07.120 verbosity on the radio show. But to give you the answer, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.760 and I I used this in honor of Doc Mike. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.160 We had actually considered putting Doc on this podcast Full Disclosure, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.360 Doc Mike, uh, and he was unavailable because he was traveling. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.959 And then I was like, well, maybe we'll put Blair 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.920 and Made on. In fact, we had booked Blair and 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:31.439 Maine for this podcast, and then Blair and Maine decided 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.960 to turn his phone off at the time we were 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.480 supposed to interview Blair made It's hard to interview a 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.760 guy when his phone is turned off, so that didn't happen. Um, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.680 So anyway, we got to the point, so I said, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.080 this is the time, said we have a little extra 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.480 time now on this Friday podcast. So let's get into it. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.760 And in honor of Doc Mike, the keys to a 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.440 good sports talk radio show, or any radio show for 0:13:55.520 --> 0:14:01.679 that matter, it's the P principles P E E. Now, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.160 this is not to be confused with the kiss method. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.520 Keep it simple stupid. That's the kiss method, which is 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.840 from the Navy, and I love that and I use 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.040 that quite a bit, and it's it's true, keep it 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.240 simple stupid. But this is the P principle in honor 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.600 of Doc Mike, a regular caller to the show, who 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:26.560 has pointed out many many times that he enjoys drinking 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.400 bodily fluids. And he is convinced, and and Doc has 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.520 has said this off the air as much as he 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.400 said it on the air, that he believes he will 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.960 live to be a very very old man. Doc's getting 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.760 up there in age now. When Doc called me, he 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.880 was in his mid mid mid age. Now he's getting 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.760 up there. But he swears, okay, Doc Mike swears that 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.920 he's gonna gonna live to be like a hundred ten 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.520 hundred fifteen or older than that because of because of urine. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.480 But anyway, the P principle get to the point. Please, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.760 the pre principle is passion. That's the p right. You 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.200 can't fake it, and that's a big part of the 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.040 secret sauce. If you have disinterests. I believe this is 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.960 true in anything in life. It just happens that my 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:13.120 chosen profession is radio or broadcasting in general. But if 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.280 you have disinterest, it will show in your work. And 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.080 that's true whether you're an athlete, playing in a game, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:25.960 whether you're a truck driver, whether you're cleaning toilets, waiting tables, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:33.360 working in an office. If you're disinterested, that will show. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.720 People will know that you're disinterested, and that uncaring attitude 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.680 is toxic. It is absolutely toxic. So passion is a 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.160 big part of this. And I had a program director 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.000 that drilled this into me early in my career and 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.880 it's something that I it's very important lesson and it 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:01.320 oozes out. It literally oozes out on a regular basis. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.920 But this programming out there, he pulled me aside. He said, listen, Uh, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.920 it's very difficult to keep an audience. But there's one 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:15.160 thing that you can do is be authentic. Have have 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.680 the passion right. And he said he's listen. If you 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.680 have apathy and disregard for the things that you're talking about. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:28.520 Why would a person listening I want to keep listening. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.400 That is the biggest way to turn the dial or 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.200 to turn off a podcast and go somewhere else. That 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.600 is the click. And that's not the click you want. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.920 That's not the click of approval. That's the click of 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.960 I'm gonna go find something else. And it is true 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.000 right there now, there's there are droughts. I'm not gonna 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.600 sit here and lie and say that every single day 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.560 is wonderful. There are droughts when the sporting news is 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.760 not as sexy, it doesn't have the razmatazz, it's not 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:06.840 as exciting, but it's never barren. Now, I lived in 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:11.919 an era of sports radio where it was barren, and 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.199 that was back in the stone age, before social media, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.760 before the Internet and all that stuff. And we're all 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.600 looking for content. We're all going down the same avenues, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.280 the same highways and byways trying to find content. But 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.440 there was a time when people just depended on newspapers 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.520 and there was the AP, sports Wire and Sports Ticker, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.600 and I worked at the mighty six ninety. I started 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.280 as an intern in San Diego and worked my way around, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.399 and that was the Sahara Desert. That was as barren 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.320 like the Sahara Desert, uh and it was very difficult. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.520 At times you had to wait praying there would be 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.200 some kind of ap breaking news message that would carry 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:58.560 you through the day. It's not like that. Now. There's 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.600 a whole lot of places to look. There's more places 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.240 to look than ever before. But there's there's good stories 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.000 out there. But again, that ties into passion. It ties 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:15.160 into passion. You gotta have the passion. If you have apathy, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.480 you're done. You're done and again, and not for just sports, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.639 but for anything else. The second thing, as the p 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:26.360 principles provided to you exclusively on the fifth Hour with 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:31.280 Ben Mallory, Enthusiasm. Now that might not mean what you 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.560 think that. To me, what that means is you have 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.360 something to say. It ties into the passion, right, passionate 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:44.840 enthusiasm pretty similar, But enthusiasm. I put that in the 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.880 category where you don't want to be on the fence. Okay, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.000 you don't want to be on the fence that you're 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:55.080 not in Switzerland and you have the good cop and 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.439 the bad cop. You have the good guys and the 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:02.359 bad guys, and you don't want to be walking down 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.960 the middle of the road and just go through the 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:11.639 motions and you not not have an opinion. Now you 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.159 shouldn't fake an opinion. But if you don't have a 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.480 strong opinion about something, and I believe this to be true, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.080 what are you doing? Like? It drives me crazy. I've 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.119 worked with people over the years and I'll bring something 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.840 up and I'm excited about it and they'll be I 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.800 don't occur, And that ties back into the pay passion apathy, right, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.879 you don't want to have you don't want to have. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:38.320 The apathy that is the destroyer of fun is apathy. 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.720 You don't wanna do that. So that always drives me nuts. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.040 But it's enthusiasm, right, and genuinely have enthusiasm and don't 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.160 fake it. And also you gotta pay attention to detail 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:49.760 and all that stuff. Have a little bit of vim 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.080 and vigor uh with with your statements. I mean, that's 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.480 also all tied into enthusiasm. And the final part of 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.399 the pay principle of sports radio is in it tayment. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.000 And this is the most important thing. And I don't 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.399 listen to a lot of sports talk radio because I 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.399 work in the business. I listen to a little bit. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:16.080 And I hear a lot of people that are more 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.919 worried about getting stats in and being the smartest person 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:27.920 in the room, and they put entertainment as a secondary thing. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:35.440 And that is a huge mistake, a huge mistake, and 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.600 it ties back to the the times we're in right now, 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.080 right And as as much as I said you can 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.320 get all kinds of status you want on the internet 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:50.560 and all that stuff, it is true. Uh, And if 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:55.000 you're going to tune in, whether it's this podcast or 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:01.399 the radio show or just any kind of audio program 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.280 or for that matter, of television, you are giving away 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.440 the most valuable thing you have. The most valuable thing 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.439 you have. We say it all the time is your time. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.639 You don't know how much of it you have, you 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.080 don't know when it's gonna end, and there's a finite 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.679 amount of it. So for you to give some of 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:30.359 your listenership, some of your time for a program, you 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.879 gotta be entertained. Right, Well, what's the point of doing it? 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.720 You you got the daily grind, the nine to five, 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.399 the the rat race, and so you want to be 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.800 part of something and and spend a little bit of time, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.479 a little bit of time where you're just you're enjoying yourself. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.360 And if you can combine those two things, which I'm 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.600 not saying that we do, but if while you're working 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.480 with a lot of truck drivers that listen to the show, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.879 that are going all over right from sea to Shining 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.520 Sea and beyond, and I always love when they I'll 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.159 get a message from a truck driver and be like, hey, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:08.520 you know, I listen to show and it helps me 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:15.480 get through four hours of my horrifically terrible drive going 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.199 from Kalamazoo to tim Buck two and it's you know, 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.800 terrible and all the stuff. So that that is pretty cool. 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.600 I do appreciate that. Uh. Now, the mail bag is 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.320 on Sunday, as we press on here on the fifth hour, 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.120 so the mail bag is on Sunday. But I did 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.680 have one message that cannot wait for the mail bag, 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.639 so let's get into it. Let's jump into this a 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.199 little bit early. Dan who lives in southern California. Now 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.600 he says he lives in Westwood, which is a very 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:49.200 bougie neighborhood. If you're not familiar with geography in California, 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.560 that is where you see l A is located. I 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.399 think you could probably know that if you're a sports person, 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.840 because or you should know that rather because the Wizard 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:00.440 of Westwood, John Wooden, and with that is the actrop. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.560 Dan wrote in. This is actually um about ten days ago, 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.520 and I didn't get to it last week, so I'll 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.120 get to it here before I forget. So Dan wrote in, 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.000 and he was ripping my obsession with the Code of 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.600 the West. Now this is another one of those things, 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.480 another one of my michigas, as my late grandfather would say, 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.200 where I will reference the Code of the West on 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.840 a regular basis, and I think it's an important thing 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.840 and it's it's something I model my life after many 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.359 of the the laws, if you will, of the Code 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.439 of the West. And I look into that. And so anyway, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.480 Dan in Westwood, he wrote in and he said that 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.000 I the Code of the West is nice, but John 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:53.720 Wooden's seven point Creed is better, and that I should 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.800 credit wouldn't because what Wooden did was better than the 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.159 Code of the West and all that stuff, and I 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.399 should talk talk more about John Wooden's seven point Creed. No, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.159 I wouldn't passed away. A number years ago, I was 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.800 lucky enough to have Wooden as a guest on the 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.400 radio and very cool. And I love the stories about 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.680 John Wooden. The last couple of years of his life. 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.679 He lived right near the Fox Sports Radio studios and 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.560 the Sherman Sherman Oaks neighborhood of of l A. And 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.119 he lived up in the hill and he come down 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.600 and eat. And I heard from multiple people around Fox 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:29.720 Sports Radio that they'd run into John Wooden, greatest college 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.800 basketball coach of all time, and Wooden would be eating 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.600 like fried chicken or a cheeseburger and fries, and and 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.080 they're like, well, I can't believe he's doing that. He's 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:41.800 like nineties something years old and here he is eating 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.360 the most unhealthy diet. And I love that because when 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.040