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Speaker 1: welcome Jets quarterbacks coach Rob Calabres to this studio. Thanks
Speaker 1: for coming up, Thanks for having me appreciate it your
Speaker 1: work basically just under our studio right now. What's it
Speaker 1: been like here in your two the differences for you
Speaker 1: in your position? Um, it's it's been great just to
Speaker 1: go from your one of year two and the expectation
Speaker 1: now with these guys knowing our scheme, especially a year
Speaker 1: two with Zach not a rookie anymore. And for myself
Speaker 1: as well, you know, getting with la Flour first year
Speaker 1: working with him and the guys in our staff. So
Speaker 1: it's been a great experience for me and I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to see what we put on the field from Sundays.
Speaker 1: I want to get to your background, but first let's
Speaker 1: go back to late January Mobile Alabama. Rob Calbarre's the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the national team. What was that week
Speaker 1: like for you? What did it mean and all? So,
Speaker 1: how cool of an opportunity was it. It was a
Speaker 1: huge opportunity for not only myself but our staff as
Speaker 1: far as in the evaluation with each one of those prospects.
Speaker 1: You know, we took Jeremy Rucket from the senior browme.
Speaker 1: We had him there and was able to coach him
Speaker 1: and watch him going the field and take what we
Speaker 1: taught in the classroom and go execute. But for myself,
Speaker 1: just being able to coordinate that coordinate that game, I
Speaker 1: was appreciative Coachala and with Florida let me do that.
Speaker 1: And on game day it was amazing. You know, we
Speaker 1: call plays and just watch it unfold and try to
Speaker 1: execute the scheme. So I was happy with how it
Speaker 1: turned out, and UM, great learning experience for myself. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys got the w ron Middleton head coach during
Speaker 1: that game. How did you grade yourself in terms of
Speaker 1: self scout afterwards? Um? Not too much self scout. I
Speaker 1: had about hundred races per day, so that's not good.
Speaker 1: But other than that, it was we ever got there
Speaker 1: and execute, and that's the most important thing. You have
Speaker 1: three days to practice to install scheme, to to get
Speaker 1: a fairy evaluation on these guys can to handle it,
Speaker 1: but also can we execute and not and not have
Speaker 1: negative plays and things that pop up like that. So
Speaker 1: I was happy with with what we did on the
Speaker 1: field and the players that were awesome, and the coaching
Speaker 1: staff like we handled it well. How much did you
Speaker 1: throw out those guys in three days before they go
Speaker 1: out there, because obviously you want them to learn, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, you don't want to throw too
Speaker 1: much at them, right, and you threw We threw a
Speaker 1: lot of them because you got to think of it,
Speaker 1: with how college football is nowadays and the lack of
Speaker 1: huddling and burbage that these guys signal a lot of things,
Speaker 1: so that's all new to them. And then to give
Speaker 1: them our offense and certain amount of plays and to
Speaker 1: be able to go execute it, it's it's overwhelming for
Speaker 1: them at first. And we had about a two hour
Speaker 1: meeting the night before practice and then went right to
Speaker 1: the practice field, so you had to crunch it all in.
Speaker 1: They had to put some time and study on our own,
Speaker 1: which they did, and it uh just snowballed into that
Speaker 1: and it was it was a good week. I know.
Speaker 1: You obviously going to become fans a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys because you invest in them and then you get
Speaker 1: to know their personalities a little bit. You guys end
Speaker 1: up taking some of these players who participated in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl down and Bill Alabama. But for you specifically,
Speaker 1: what kind of relationships to just start with Kenny Pickett
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh, Desmond Ritter from Cincinnati, and then Carson Strong
Speaker 1: from Nevada, all guys who are now on NFL teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I got the communicate with them a little
Speaker 1: bit before, a week before because they were eager, they
Speaker 1: wanted the playbook, and um just started that process of
Speaker 1: building a relationship and just getting to meet those guys
Speaker 1: in person and spend that time with them. And then
Speaker 1: being quarterbacks, they spent a lot more time in the
Speaker 1: meeting rooms when they could the extra and got there
Speaker 1: early in the mornings and to go over things. But
Speaker 1: it was a good group and they're they're dedicated, they're smart.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why they were there and the reason
Speaker 1: why they have moved on in the NFL and have
Speaker 1: spot and have homes now. But talk to them on
Speaker 1: draft a congratulation. I communicate with them just throughout throughout
Speaker 1: this process because you know, you built that relationship and
Speaker 1: you want to see these guys do well because you
Speaker 1: know I had a part in that of just showing
Speaker 1: them what did the NFL is like and and watching
Speaker 1: them grown. It was short three days, but M have
Speaker 1: good relationship for all three of them. Solid gets hired
Speaker 1: in January two. I was twenty one. How soon after
Speaker 1: did you get a call? Oh? Shoot, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: even know the time for him, maybe a week or
Speaker 1: two after, but we were on break and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of got word from my agent that this could
Speaker 1: be happening. And it was lucky enough to just talked
Speaker 1: to Solo on the phone and the floor and and
Speaker 1: things worked out and I was able to come back home.
Speaker 1: What was the difference the landscape right now that you're
Speaker 1: dealing with as opposed to last year? Because I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you specifically, specifically about one person who um
Speaker 1: made such a lasting impact in a short time. That
Speaker 1: was Greg Nap because that was a guy you worked
Speaker 1: with a lot less I was attached to hit and
Speaker 1: um first getting here that that was that was probably
Speaker 1: the most important person I've met in my coaching career
Speaker 1: in that short amount of time. And uh, the amount
Speaker 1: of information and love and just knowledge that he just
Speaker 1: wanted to share because he was out at that at
Speaker 1: that spot in his career where he was at peace
Speaker 1: with what he was doing and just wanted to help
Speaker 1: develop players co choose anybody possible, And uh, I learned
Speaker 1: so much for him in that short amount of time,
Speaker 1: and I was I was so appreciative to just to
Speaker 1: just be able to be in his presence. And I
Speaker 1: knew coming into this is that was the situation with
Speaker 1: how we're going to be in a quarterback room. And
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to it because of his experience
Speaker 1: and and then getting to meet the type of guy
Speaker 1: he was, and it was it was just it was
Speaker 1: huge for me and just I was very lucky and
Speaker 1: very blessed to just be around him. That's what everybody
Speaker 1: says about Nap or what did he bring to the
Speaker 1: table in terms of when he was on the field
Speaker 1: and the classroom and why did guys gravitate towards him.
Speaker 1: It's just his energy. You'll you'll feel his vibe as
Speaker 1: soon as you just you got to meet him, you'll introduce.
Speaker 1: He went around the whole building the first day we
Speaker 1: got here, and that was the first thing I noticed,
Speaker 1: is he's making an effort to go start that relationship
Speaker 1: and create that bond with whoever that he came into
Speaker 1: contact with, and those are things that I learned that
Speaker 1: I had just I was just a football coach. There's
Speaker 1: a ball and scheme and film, and he had everything
Speaker 1: with all that, he had everything else outside of that,
Speaker 1: and just he had like his vibe attracted people to him.
Speaker 1: People want to go talk to him because that's the
Speaker 1: type of person he was. Why was he so good
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks? So um, his energy, his enthusiasm, his meetings,
Speaker 1: you just knew. You never knew what was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: so you're always on your toes in a good way.
Speaker 1: And he just was. He was an amazing teacher from
Speaker 1: his experiences, from his way to communicate what he wanted
Speaker 1: to get done in the classroom to the field, and
Speaker 1: it was really cool to be a part of. He
Speaker 1: tutored and mentored some of the all time grades during
Speaker 1: those meetings. Would he pull up some clips for your experience.
Speaker 1: You watched some of the Payton Man and clips, and
Speaker 1: you know he he Uh in his office he has
Speaker 1: his old playbook from Sacramento State, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: have it and uh, just his notes and just to
Speaker 1: be able to go through and look at those things
Speaker 1: from when he was a quarterback to when he was
Speaker 1: a coach, and it's just this giant playbook of information.
Speaker 1: I often looked through it just to kind of just
Speaker 1: remind myself of his key coaching points and how he
Speaker 1: believes in the quarterback position offensively and and and in
Speaker 1: total as as a person. There's there's how much good
Speaker 1: information He talked about how difficult it was for you
Speaker 1: not to lose the man professionally who was going to
Speaker 1: mean so much to you, but him as a person,
Speaker 1: because you're just talking about it right now and I
Speaker 1: see it in your eyes what he meant to you
Speaker 1: was a guy. Yeah, it was. It was probably one
Speaker 1: of the toughest phone calls that I had gotten out
Speaker 1: of the blue, and you're kind of getting ready to
Speaker 1: come back for training camp and just to hear that
Speaker 1: happened to to the type of man he was and
Speaker 1: what he meant to so many people, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: just watching the his ceremony on on on the internet
Speaker 1: when they had it and hearing those people talk about
Speaker 1: them and the stories they shared, it was it was
Speaker 1: kind of it was a surreal experience. It just, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt that and just see everyone else and those
Speaker 1: important people and how many people he impacted in his life,
Speaker 1: and I was just so so blessed to just sit
Speaker 1: there and say, I mean, how lucky am I just
Speaker 1: spend no. Six months with him and being able to
Speaker 1: just a sponge and soak everything up. But also just
Speaker 1: you know, have a friend that that cared so much
Speaker 1: about each each individually came into contact with. There's our
Speaker 1: text messages and you know, throughout summer breaks, mandatory sending
Speaker 1: pictures to your family. I want to see what's going on,
Speaker 1: Send me a video, what you got going on? Keeping
Speaker 1: in a loop, see sending pictures. So those are things
Speaker 1: that you just you just you don't come into contact
Speaker 1: with much very often, and I was very lucky to
Speaker 1: just to experience out the unique individual. Everybody who came
Speaker 1: in contact with Greg Nap would say that he was
Speaker 1: your friend, and he would get to know your name,
Speaker 1: walk around the building, get to know your name, and
Speaker 1: come back to it and then you know your family members. UM.
Speaker 1: From a football perspective, how do you make the transition
Speaker 1: in terms of last year of what you guys are
Speaker 1: doing with the quarterbacks? Because it's you and your first year. UM,
Speaker 1: Greg Nap was going to be instrumental throughout the season
Speaker 1: for you guys, but you have to make the transition.
Speaker 1: And Robert Sale said that you guys wouldn't be doing
Speaker 1: never any justice if he took that step back, because
Speaker 1: he wants you guys to live and embrace every moment.
Speaker 1: You hire Matt Kavanaugh, and then at a certain point
Speaker 1: during the season, after Zack Wilson's hurt with the knee injury,
Speaker 1: you bring in John Back. Yeah, and I look at
Speaker 1: it as if we're doing anything possible to help Zach
Speaker 1: be successful, to help this organization win games. So you know,
Speaker 1: as football coaches, that's our job is to myself and
Speaker 1: everyone in that rooms have prepared the quarterback to give
Speaker 1: them the tools necessary to win on Sunday and then
Speaker 1: ultimately helped his team win and start wearing some football
Speaker 1: games here. So you know, with coach cav another veteran coach,
Speaker 1: I had so much information and another great guy that
Speaker 1: I was able to just soak things up from him,
Speaker 1: the way he taught, the way he viewed the position,
Speaker 1: just certain things that you know you can't get from
Speaker 1: anywhere else, but just going through experience wise with somebody.
Speaker 1: And then John Beck, who's a who's a guy that's
Speaker 1: fundamentally going to look at each quarterback and know what's
Speaker 1: wrong with their throwing motion and can fix things by
Speaker 1: just seeing it on and spending time with him and
Speaker 1: learning about the biomechanics and looking at a quarterback's feed
Speaker 1: or how to quickly fix something but without wholesale changing something.
Speaker 1: I mean I took, I took all those things. That is,
Speaker 1: those are great opportunities for myself to grow as a
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Speaker 1: what changed for Zach pre injury then coming back post injury,
Speaker 1: Because it's easy for us to say, we write it
Speaker 1: down that hey listen, turnover streak. He started protecting the
Speaker 1: football five straight games. He ends the year. He's just
Speaker 1: making better decisions. But you know the game inside and out.
Speaker 1: What was different about him? It's, um, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback in the NFL, and that's that's the
Speaker 1: hardest position to play at this level. And and he was.
Speaker 1: He was thrown in the fire game one as a starter,
Speaker 1: playing playing that position up until he got hurt, and
Speaker 1: and within it, within a game a season, those weeks
Speaker 1: they just go. It doesn't stop unless you have a
Speaker 1: bye week or you play a Thursday night game. You
Speaker 1: have to two days off, so you just you just
Speaker 1: keep going. And then you know, when he did get hurt,
Speaker 1: he was able to just sit back and reflect and
Speaker 1: go back through and watch those those games again and
Speaker 1: really think about what he was seeing and what he
Speaker 1: felt and and what it meant to him in those
Speaker 1: certain situations in those moments. Also while getting to watch,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike White Joe Flacco, Josh Johnson go out
Speaker 1: there and execute our our system, our scheme and have
Speaker 1: some success doing it. And the reason why they were
Speaker 1: just just playing a position, playing each down not forced.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't have to make every single player.
Speaker 1: You just let the game come to you. So when
Speaker 1: he came back, he just had this this whole vision
Speaker 1: of the position on what he went through. He felt
Speaker 1: the speed of the game, he felt what it was
Speaker 1: like to play four quarters sixty minutes and the wearing
Speaker 1: hair of an NFL game. But he also had the
Speaker 1: tools to be successful and just play the position. So
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a he called it his
Speaker 1: sophomore year, you know, it came back from he played
Speaker 1: his freshman year and ended up getting hurt, which was unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but and Zach me and the guy he is, he
Speaker 1: took that as I'm gonna get better from this. How
Speaker 1: I go back and watch everything that I did and
Speaker 1: I learned from the guys that are playing right now
Speaker 1: and it just never stops, which was it was really
Speaker 1: cool to see from him to come back and just
Speaker 1: change the way he played the game. What did you
Speaker 1: tell him in January? After that game in Buffalo Because
Speaker 1: Michael Fleur says it, I know you're gonna echo those
Speaker 1: sentiments that he's a guy who doesn't get away. That's
Speaker 1: not natural from him. It's exactly what we told him
Speaker 1: to get away. And it takes some time off and
Speaker 1: just do almost what you did when you when you
Speaker 1: ended up getting hurt. But first just go collect your
Speaker 1: thoughts and just get get yourself back to just back
Speaker 1: to reality. And then then he started going through the
Speaker 1: film and started working on some things that you need
Speaker 1: to work on with his footwork, some certain throws that
Speaker 1: he missed, and he was able to spend some time
Speaker 1: out wherever he was at and he went all around
Speaker 1: and get what our receivers, which was awesome. That was
Speaker 1: a huge stuff for him from a leadership standpoint and
Speaker 1: just just building that chemistry with all those guys. So
Speaker 1: he is a football junkie, but you know he uh,
Speaker 1: he came back with a clear head and just ready
Speaker 1: to go. How does he challenge you inside the media room? Uma,
Speaker 1: he always wants his that he wants he wants to
Speaker 1: know a lot and we've we've learned over the last
Speaker 1: year's you know, there's there's useful information and there's there's information,
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't really matter. Just go play each play,
Speaker 1: play the position, and and do what we're acting to
Speaker 1: within the time of the play, within our scheme, and
Speaker 1: good things will happen. And I think he saw that
Speaker 1: with with Mike White, and um, since not a game,
Speaker 1: you know you're not. You're just playing a game. And
Speaker 1: if if it's unfortunate the number one receiver is not open,
Speaker 1: that's okay, get your completion and things start to happen
Speaker 1: because of that in the fourth quarter. And um so
Speaker 1: we kind of just our whole goal, this whole lostoy
Speaker 1: simplifier thoughts and simplifier life. Yes, it's interesting what you
Speaker 1: just talked about. It you in an example there the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati game. But can you want too much information? Yes?
Speaker 1: And that's that's something I learned as a coach year one.
Speaker 1: You know you don't that's our job is to have
Speaker 1: all that information and get the right play and play
Speaker 1: design and when and how and when why. But we
Speaker 1: don't need to give you all of that. It's just, hey,
Speaker 1: this is probably the best case scenario, and this is
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. You need to have a plan
Speaker 1: for it. But other than that, you're just playing football.
Speaker 1: How different is this spring? He's very different, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's another year. It's year two in a system,
Speaker 1: especially for a rookie, and he's done. He did a
Speaker 1: great job because he was ready to play. From a
Speaker 1: mentality standpoint, you know how hard it is when, especially
Speaker 1: at quarterback, coming in and learning the verbiage, this system,
Speaker 1: being able to call plays and then oh, that's the
Speaker 1: NFL pass rush, and then four quarters of that the
Speaker 1: mental wear and tear. He's just he's a different He's
Speaker 1: a different guy. He's very confident in what we're asking
Speaker 1: to do. He's very confident in our scheme because he
Speaker 1: knows it, and that's a huge deal. As for a
Speaker 1: quarterback for sure. What do you like most about working
Speaker 1: with Michael fleur Um. There's there's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: like I just appreciate his his his knowledge of a game,
Speaker 1: but I really appreciate how he communicates and um just
Speaker 1: sitting in those meetings, whether it's with the unit or
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and just hearing how he verbalizes his thoughts
Speaker 1: and how clear concise messages are through cross the boards
Speaker 1: and whoever. So each each meeting you're just hearing things
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, and it's everyone's on their toes, but
Speaker 1: they're locked in and it's it's meaningful messages. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I appreciate from just being in
Speaker 1: those meetings. He was a passing game coordinate or San
Speaker 1: Francisco of course before coming over here with Sala from
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Uh, what's the dynamics like with you two? Um,
Speaker 1: we were closer together. We're in obviously in the quarterback meetings,
Speaker 1: so you know there's times that I have things that
Speaker 1: to talk about with these guys, and then he has
Speaker 1: his going through the scheme, going through our reads and
Speaker 1: we kind of it's a really good mess and gel
Speaker 1: with the with the meeting room. It's just we were
Speaker 1: able to keep him on our toes because they're switching
Speaker 1: and and who's presenting what and what tapeer we're looking
Speaker 1: at and then um, just from a game planning at
Speaker 1: same point this past year, and you know it is
Speaker 1: responsible for certain areas and just being able to go
Speaker 1: in his office with confidence on why I like certain
Speaker 1: things because he's such a great communicator. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not I'm nervous to bring up a play and he
Speaker 1: doesn't like it. He has a way of just making
Speaker 1: you feel like this is you're accepted, this is your job,
Speaker 1: this is what we're trying to do. We're trying to
Speaker 1: win games. And if it's not right, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: That's the best thing about it. That's the best way
Speaker 1: I can put it, Like we could just talk about it.
Speaker 1: You know, how cool is it when you guys are
Speaker 1: in a game and you feel your quarterback in a
Speaker 1: flow and the fleur at the same time and a flow.
Speaker 1: Because one thing that I think that he continued to
Speaker 1: mention later on in the year was, yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: are seeing more also offensively and you're saying I'm being
Speaker 1: more creative, But we just needed more places any more plays,
Speaker 1: and you need to be on schedule. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: what Zach had learned too. It's now we do. We
Speaker 1: do have some schemes and some place that we always
Speaker 1: want to get to, but you can't get to it
Speaker 1: if you're in not in second and long, or you're
Speaker 1: you're already in passing row down to score. So that's
Speaker 1: that's our offense. We need to stay on schedule. We
Speaker 1: need be able run the football, and get to our
Speaker 1: explosive opportunities, whether it's play pass or gadget plays and um,
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing like just you know, on game day
Speaker 1: when you see the quarterback in his flow and then
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what you always try to visualize.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a position coaches, what is what
Speaker 1: is the play call? Are going to call next? And
Speaker 1: you guys, if we're in sync and we know what's
Speaker 1: coming out of his mouth as far as the play
Speaker 1: and the timing and when and when we're attacking, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really cool to watch on fold on Sundays.
Speaker 1: So Robert Sale is very happy with you. He said,
Speaker 1: this guy is got coordinator potential. He said that yesterday
Speaker 1: your your phone blow up after that a little bit.
Speaker 1: My my dad had text me, but because there's a
Speaker 1: Newsday article and my brother and my cousins, but I
Speaker 1: try not to pay too much attention to that stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's it's awesome to hear coach Hollis say that
Speaker 1: and and he has that belief, but I have to
Speaker 1: go prove it and throughout my coaching career. And you know,
Speaker 1: you have an idea of what you want to be.
Speaker 1: But everything that's happened U until this point is because
Speaker 1: I did a really good job with my job right now,
Speaker 1: and the second that i'd ever tried to look forward
Speaker 1: to being something else that I'm not that's not my title,
Speaker 1: then I'm slacking on what I should be doing. So
Speaker 1: I try to block out the noise in that aspect.
Speaker 1: I love that and people think of me in that light.
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna keep my head down and keep working.
Speaker 1: So he said he didn't want to blow up your spot,
Speaker 1: but you had opportunities elsewhere. I did a little Google
Speaker 1: search for the Google today. It seemed like a lot
Speaker 1: of people were linking your name to the University of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: You don't got to talk about the specific teams, colleges, whatnot,
Speaker 1: but I do want to ask you, why is this
Speaker 1: the right spot for you right now? It's it's because
Speaker 1: I believe in this organization. I believe in Coach Shalla
Speaker 1: as a head coach and his message and what he's
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish here. And I believe in Michael Floor,
Speaker 1: and I believe in Zach and his team. I've always
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to, you know, leave some some
Speaker 1: place better than than when I showed up and after
Speaker 1: last year. I know it was year one and Zach
Speaker 1: was a rookie myself, I was a young first year
Speaker 1: physician coach in the NFL, and and I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to leave without you know, stamping that We've We've done
Speaker 1: some special things here. And I'm a Jets fan. I'm
Speaker 1: from Long Island's is home for me, so just being
Speaker 1: close to family and all those factors, I just I
Speaker 1: want to I want to win some football games here.
Speaker 1: Do you and Zach talk about jumps some quarterbacks have
Speaker 1: made in between the rookie season to that second season, Um,
Speaker 1: not so much. You know, this this whole offseason and
Speaker 1: since he's got here has just been solely focused on
Speaker 1: what we're trying to get better at from what we
Speaker 1: showed on tape last year and then how he can
Speaker 1: improve from quarterback standpoint, from decision making, from timing, from accuracy.
Speaker 1: So it's solely been based on just getting himself better.
Speaker 1: There's times that we do have, you know, examples, and
Speaker 1: you know, we have some time in the back end
Speaker 1: of a meeting, we'll watch them quarterback cool quarterback clips
Speaker 1: on just things around the league that maybe maybe didn't
Speaker 1: show up in his rookie year. But hey, look this
Speaker 1: is what happened to a certain player, and this is
Speaker 1: how he handled it. Now, every play is a different player.
Speaker 1: You can't just bank that and say I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: that too more. This whole off season is just really
Speaker 1: just getting him mentally focused on just being being better
Speaker 1: at the position and being ready role. What do elite
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have in common? Um, they got that poise to him.
Speaker 1: They just have their They they're just great decision makers
Speaker 1: no matter what the situation is, Um, two minutes or
Speaker 1: the first quarter of the game, they're they're poison. You
Speaker 1: can tell that by their feet. And they just kind
Speaker 1: of play with timing and they play within the system
Speaker 1: and they're not forcing throws. They let the game come
Speaker 1: to them. And and not a lot of people know that.
Speaker 1: They see highlights on yeah on Sports enter ESPN of
Speaker 1: these these wild throws whenever they are in the game,
Speaker 1: but they don't see all thirty other throws where they're
Speaker 1: just underneath because the defense took it away. It's not
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Speaker 1: two seven zero seven one one seven. What did you
Speaker 1: take away from that Denver experience? You were there an
Speaker 1: offensive assistant for a couple of years and I believe
Speaker 1: the Broncos went through six quarterbacks including Joe Flacco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was my first job in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and um, just to see how this whole thing worked
Speaker 1: and what was really different about it was like you
Speaker 1: see the different schemes from the defensive standpoint unfold because
Speaker 1: that was my job was to break down um the
Speaker 1: games from a defensive standpoint, and that was where I
Speaker 1: learned so much about football just watching. I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably I broke down every game of the opponent that
Speaker 1: we played prior, so to just bank all those all
Speaker 1: those clips that I was watching of coverage and when
Speaker 1: defensive were attacking and why certain things happened. And then
Speaker 1: getting to work with Big Fangio was was huge for
Speaker 1: me because I've never worked for a coach. I viewed
Speaker 1: the game and that from that standpoint, from a statistical standpoint,
Speaker 1: self scout and how on it you have to be
Speaker 1: because certain coaches they'll find things that that you're not
Speaker 1: always aware of when you're when you're just in the
Speaker 1: moment of the season just grinding and going through some
Speaker 1: certain things. He had everything pinpointed down and that's why
Speaker 1: he is a great defensive play caller, and that's why
Speaker 1: most of the time he's calling them right coverage because
Speaker 1: he's putting people on for what they've done. What do
Speaker 1: you like most about Flack on How does he help
Speaker 1: Wilson Joe? Joe is awesome because his wealth of knowledge
Speaker 1: from playing the game for for this long at a
Speaker 1: high level, and he's he's an elite arm talent. You
Speaker 1: can put the ball wherever he wants. And I knew
Speaker 1: that from Denver. But he's, uh, he's in a good spot.
Speaker 1: He's been helping Zack out in the meeting room and
Speaker 1: whether it's on the field quickly, he's just the information
Speaker 1: he's given Zack Zack. Zack knows this and and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's appreciative, but it's it's it's so beneficial for
Speaker 1: him for at this point in his career to have
Speaker 1: a veteran like that that's won a Super Bowl, that's
Speaker 1: played this many football games helping him out in a
Speaker 1: good spot in his career. How fun is a dynamic there?
Speaker 1: Flag was older than you. Yeah, and obviously Zack two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I gotta imagine you guys have some
Speaker 1: interesting conversations sometimes. Yeah, it's awesome, but yeah, we we
Speaker 1: we kind of bus around a little bit in the
Speaker 1: quarterback meeting room at the end of the meeting or
Speaker 1: when we got a little bit of time. And it's
Speaker 1: just funny to see the age differences between Joe, myself,
Speaker 1: Zack and the things that we talked about and sometimes
Speaker 1: you know whether it's Zach or Joe, like they're too
Speaker 1: far removed from that certain situation, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what you know. It's it's it's it's it's cool. It's
Speaker 1: a good group of guys. We have a lot of fun. Um,
Speaker 1: they all meshed well together. It's really good room. You're
Speaker 1: a Long Island kid. It broke a lot of Boomers
Speaker 1: size his records growing up in Long Island. Can you
Speaker 1: talk about your experience and then how you wound up
Speaker 1: at UCF. Yeah, luckily. Um, you know, I did go
Speaker 1: to Boomers High school and and I know they I
Speaker 1: broke his records because they probably threw the ball five
Speaker 1: times a game. But he was He's a he's a
Speaker 1: Long Island legend. He's from my hometown. That's why I
Speaker 1: grew up a Jets fan. And through the recruiting process
Speaker 1: getting to meet him and him reaching out and trying
Speaker 1: to just help guide me through my career as a player,
Speaker 1: and then that more so as a coach. Now he's
Speaker 1: been awesome and um, what led me to Central Florida
Speaker 1: is Boomer's head coach South Champi at East ilip I
Speaker 1: played first son in South Champion Jr. And then it's
Speaker 1: one of the most historic programs on Long Island. He's
Speaker 1: was best friends champ, the Champion senior was best friends
Speaker 1: with the head coach at UCF, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if I had this ASI and like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to UCF because that's what the championshire telling me
Speaker 1: to do. And luckily they were able to, you know,
Speaker 1: get me out there for a visit, and I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to get an offer and I saw the
Speaker 1: campus and ultimately I was like, I'm going to You
Speaker 1: were following us some pretty big footsteps, right Pepper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dante Copepp played there and I think he was the
Speaker 1: first true freshman player and then I ended up playing. Now,
Speaker 1: I didn't have the success yet and it was a
Speaker 1: rough career, but I've learned a lot. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of where I got the itch that I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a football coach, you know, from being injured and
Speaker 1: having to sit out and then watching Borders come in
Speaker 1: and kind of helping him go through his career when
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to play. I knew right then and there,
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do with the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. So Scott is a quarterback. Me, I
Speaker 1: would make the right decisions, but UM never took too
Speaker 1: many chances. You know, when they were there. I was
Speaker 1: more so you say, like I checked down Charlie. I
Speaker 1: wasn't very accurate, but um I could call a play,
Speaker 1: get us in the right playing You know, I had
Speaker 1: fun playing position. But you were a thick dude back
Speaker 1: then too, most guys. If you look back at the
Speaker 1: college biographies, it doesn't say quarterback slash receiver. Watch behind
Speaker 1: the story there. Um I switched positions. Let's see after
Speaker 1: I had tour a c L three times in college,
Speaker 1: but the second time I switched positions because, yeah, we
Speaker 1: had two quarterbacks that were good players, that were established
Speaker 1: and I didn't see myself playing there. And you know,
Speaker 1: coach had asked me to switch over to receiver because
Speaker 1: I can quarterback playing receiver help get people lined up,
Speaker 1: not be the future guy, but just kind of make
Speaker 1: this offense go and get ready to get up the
Speaker 1: line scrimmage and be in the right place sometimes. So
Speaker 1: it was fun of a great experience as a different
Speaker 1: lens from the viewing the game. And you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see that meeting room and how those guys were taught
Speaker 1: and and go out there and try to execute because
Speaker 1: the speed of the game is totally different when your
Speaker 1: receiver one from being conditioned to run that many routes
Speaker 1: and just get back every single player reset as opposed
Speaker 1: to a quarterback from the men, the mental focus needed
Speaker 1: every play where you've got to reset, not standpoint. So
Speaker 1: it was it was a good experience for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't let everybody play receiver. What were you running?
Speaker 1: Uh not fast? Maybe four seven mid four seven. It's
Speaker 1: not fast. And like I said, you were carrying out
Speaker 1: a little bit more weight than you Yeah, yeah, were
Speaker 1: at I was probably two fifteen still the quarterback weight.
Speaker 1: But um at that at that point in my career,
Speaker 1: you know, I just I just wanted to help the
Speaker 1: team do whatever to win, and whether I had to
Speaker 1: play special teams and that's just I was a red
Speaker 1: shirt team or just happy to be there with my
Speaker 1: guys that came in with with that that recruiting class
Speaker 1: and just just try and go out there and execute,
Speaker 1: even if it was ten plays twelve plays a game.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a good experience for me. But
Speaker 1: why did that different ones help you? He said, as
Speaker 1: far as you in the game. Yeah, just to hear
Speaker 1: how those guys are talking because you know, and and
Speaker 1: the different angles of the game which they watched the film.
Speaker 1: You know, it's more so matchup when you are in
Speaker 1: a man of man situation for receiver and then the
Speaker 1: quarterback meeting room, we're looking at the whole the whole
Speaker 1: picture as far as conceptionally, what are we trying to do?
Speaker 1: And receivers, you you're really just watching your technique. You're
Speaker 1: watching the DBS technique and how much you can separate
Speaker 1: and within the timing of play. So it was it
Speaker 1: was fun to be in that room. What do you
Speaker 1: think about the group around I mean surrounding your young quarterback?
Speaker 1: Now you had a Garrett Wilson in the off season,
Speaker 1: Alijah More five touchdowns and eleven games, Corey Davis Beck healthy,
Speaker 1: Braxton Burials returns as well. He resigns in the off season.
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims, I can go down the list. What do
Speaker 1: you think about the group, It's a it's a good group.
Speaker 1: It's an explosive group. They got big play potential. Um,
Speaker 1: they all they all got rack ability, so running after
Speaker 1: the catch and that's that's where Zach needs to understand,
Speaker 1: like those guys just get the football in their hands
Speaker 1: and with whatever we're asking you to do, with whatever
Speaker 1: route they're running. If that guy is open, let's get
Speaker 1: it to them quickly so they can go make the
Speaker 1: explosive play. Yes, we're still going to go off top.
Speaker 1: We're and have our creative plays and explosive opportunities, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great room for the explosive potent
Speaker 1: filed with the underneath throws, which you love to see
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. Speaking of underneath throws, how about so
Speaker 1: many security blankets in terms of the tight position. You
Speaker 1: guys had Cjama, Tyler Conklin, a free anency they combined
Speaker 1: for a hunter and time catches last year. And then
Speaker 1: you come back and you mentioned it before you get
Speaker 1: rutgered in the draft. Yeah, and that that's just from
Speaker 1: a scheme standpoint. You know, defenses can't play certain coverages
Speaker 1: if we across the board have have weapons and they
Speaker 1: can't take away the receivers and leave the tight end
Speaker 1: matched up with a linebacker. And you know, sacks got
Speaker 1: enough awareness now within the system to know that there's
Speaker 1: some access stuff that if you see a matchup you
Speaker 1: like you're gonna take it, and adding those weapons just
Speaker 1: just just adds to our offense and and what we
Speaker 1: can do when you put the period here at the
Speaker 1: end of the off season here in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks with the conclusion of Becher mini camp, which is
Speaker 1: mandatory right now, these are voluntary sessions here as we
Speaker 1: tape during O t A s where do you want
Speaker 1: to be at I just want to be be able
Speaker 1: to go into training camp with ground running mentality. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be able to just shut your
Speaker 1: brain off and come back and have to get these
Speaker 1: things reinstalled, whether it's a scheme, whether it's a formation,
Speaker 1: or whether it's a technique. So you want all these
Speaker 1: guys that just leave leave the field feeling really good
Speaker 1: about what they put out for the last four weeks
Speaker 1: or even more so two months with Phase two and
Speaker 1: knowing what they gotta do to get a little bit
Speaker 1: better and come back and train and get in shape
Speaker 1: and mentally ready to roll and we can hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. As far as scheme wise, I'm jumping a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm and go back to you. You see
Speaker 1: f days you said you knew you wanted to be
Speaker 1: a coach. You started at the high school level. What
Speaker 1: kind of advice would you give to somebody who wants
Speaker 1: to coach. Just get your foot in the door with
Speaker 1: whatever program, organization, with whatever job it is. And um,
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to just stay in the Orlando
Speaker 1: area because Central Floria did not have a graduate assistant
Speaker 1: spot open yet. So coach Olia told me to just
Speaker 1: hang out for six months, you know, go go do whatever.
Speaker 1: And I ended up working at Blake Bortles Old High
Speaker 1: School and you know, getting to no coach Allen there,
Speaker 1: they gave me a job and I was working in
Speaker 1: the school and was able to coach, and then come January,
Speaker 1: I was able to get on staff at ucfrom from
Speaker 1: then from then on, just stuck with it. But then
Speaker 1: a young coach, you just want to get into the building,
Speaker 1: into the organization with whatever whatever you're doing, and then
Speaker 1: that's your that's your interview. And if it's an internship,
Speaker 1: if it's an on field, if it's a whatever, do
Speaker 1: you have that moment you step into building to impress whoever,
Speaker 1: because you never know, And in today's day and age,
Speaker 1: there's there's guys if you look at the room that
Speaker 1: it could be head coaches somewhere else. It could be coordinators.
Speaker 1: And that's your interview process as you get going and
Speaker 1: you have to make an impression for however long you're there,
Speaker 1: then you have made an impression because then you went
Speaker 1: into college ranks. One of those stops was Wagner right, yeah,
Speaker 1: waing to college. Yes, that was after UCF was able
Speaker 1: to work with UM coach coach Hotel ng At. Wagner
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to get a job there. And then
Speaker 1: that's where I met coach s Gangarrella, who ended up
Speaker 1: working in San Francisco. But UM, great experience, three three
Speaker 1: great years out on Staten Island. So a lot of
Speaker 1: good players. Greg's not and is one of them who's here,
Speaker 1: and UM, I had a lot of fun during those
Speaker 1: three years. I've enjoyed this very much. We gotta have
Speaker 1: you come back at some point. Lastly, let's just the
Speaker 1: final question would be Robert Sale. All the players says
Speaker 1: say it really connects. You feel him when he talks
Speaker 1: from your perspective being a coach on his staff. What's
Speaker 1: it like working for him and with him? It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's amazing because he makes you look at a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. From a different lens, whether it's how
Speaker 1: delivered we're trying to do things and how meaningful each
Speaker 1: rep is and each single individual each meeting, what are
Speaker 1: we trying to accomplish? And that's how he looks at
Speaker 1: things and can we be delivered? Because the way he
Speaker 1: connects how we run our meetings and what you do
Speaker 1: an individual to how it shows up on game day,
Speaker 1: it's really impactful. As as a coach. Just look at
Speaker 1: that and you're not just running drills. You're doing things
Speaker 1: to get these players ready for Sunday. And and that's
Speaker 1: how you start to prepare yourself as a coach. You
Speaker 1: watch things around the league or whether it happened on Sundays,
Speaker 1: well that could possibly happen. Let me let me have
Speaker 1: a drill set up, Let me have an awareness, just
Speaker 1: mentality ready for the for my position being the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Like I just I really appreciate how it used the game,
Speaker 1: how he connects it from everything that we do. Long Islands,
Speaker 1: Rob Calaries, thanks for coming up to the studio. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you.