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Speaker 1: my conversation with Caitlin. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: then also having virtual events. One of the events we

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Speaker 2: had a few months ago was mis Empowered Talks Women

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Speaker 2: in Tech, just because a lot of young women were

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Speaker 2: interested in pivoting into the tech industry, learning what the

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Speaker 2: day to day was like, and it was really important

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Speaker 2: for me to show young women that look like them

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Speaker 2: that it's possible for them to hear about their experiences,

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Speaker 2: and it's something I do a lot on my social

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Speaker 2: media platforms just because, like I think it's really important

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Speaker 2: for young women to be able to see someone that

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Speaker 2: looks like them and to be able to see that

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Speaker 2: you know what it is possible to go from university,

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Speaker 2: get into these big companies and really understand the how

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Speaker 2: because so many people show that like highlight reel of wow,

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Speaker 2: like I work at this company, or a while like

448
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Speaker 2: I've been featured here, but people are wanting to know how.

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Speaker 2: So I really focus on using my brand, whether it's

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Speaker 2: my personal brand, through my social media potform or through

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Speaker 2: mis Empower, to really uncover that how.

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Speaker 1: Perfect And can you say a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: how spaces like mis Empower really can help support young

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Speaker 1: black women in college.

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Speaker 2: I think they can really be a great support system

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Speaker 2: and I like to call them a cheat code. So

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Speaker 2: I have this saying that everyone should really try to

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Speaker 2: find a digital mentor if you can't find a mentor

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Speaker 2: in real life. And I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: biggest advantages of social media platforms today, whether it be

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Speaker 2: on YouTube, TikTok, LinkedIn, you can really find a digital

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Speaker 2: mentor if you look for one. So, for example, career

463
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Speaker 2: is something that people really struggle with. On my personal TikTok,

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Speaker 2: I talk a lot about how I was able to

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Speaker 2: get my first internship, some of the challenges I have.

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Speaker 2: I really share that on TikTok and LinkedIn a lot

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Speaker 2: because I struggled and I don't want everyone to have

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Speaker 2: the same struggles applying to one hundred internships and like

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Speaker 2: only hearing back from one. I don't want people experiencing that,

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Speaker 2: So I like to share my best practices so you

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Speaker 2: can follow people like me that share those resources, as

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Speaker 2: well as linking and getting on like email newsletters, whether

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Speaker 2: that be at your university. That's how I found out

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Speaker 2: about a lot of things. So like my journalism school,

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Speaker 2: they would announce when internships were being posted, when they

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Speaker 2: were having virtual events. Just being exposed and having access

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Speaker 2: to information is just a huge game changer. So get

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Speaker 2: on as many email listers as you can, even if

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Speaker 2: you have no business being in that club, you're still

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Speaker 2: going to have access to all of those resources. That's

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Speaker 2: something that definitely helped me a lot. And then resources

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Speaker 2: like misempower where they're sharing like events, internship opportunities. Definitely

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Speaker 2: take advantage of that, and then also don't be afraid

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Speaker 2: to reach out first. There are so many people, whether

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Speaker 2: it's through a formal program, there's some good ones like

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Speaker 2: MLT that's a really great pipeline program. If you're like

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Speaker 2: in the business space, or you're interested in like engineering.

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Speaker 2: SEO is another good pipeline program if you're in that

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Speaker 2: space as well, looking to break into like banking or

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Speaker 2: the tech industry. Things like that apply for those pipeline

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Speaker 2: programs to get that mentorship, coaching, and support because they

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Speaker 2: make it so much easier to find internships and build

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Speaker 2: that community as well outside of your immediate university and

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Speaker 2: then joining clubs. I didn't do a sorority, but I

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Speaker 2: had a lot of friends who are part of sororities.

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Speaker 2: It's a great way to build community and also a

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Speaker 2: chance to build your your network and get opportunities as well.

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Speaker 2: But the key to be successful and really navigate university

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Speaker 2: is just like not to spend all day in your

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Speaker 2: dorm room and never make any friends. You really have

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Speaker 2: to put yourself out there, join clubs, let people know

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Speaker 2: what you're interested in so they can support you.

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Speaker 1: So, Kaylene, you know, we talked a lot about red

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Speaker 1: flags in terms of a lot of different relationships in allies,

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Speaker 1: but I would love to know what are some green

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Speaker 1: flags that people should be on the lookout that lets

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Speaker 1: them know, like this might be a good college for me.

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Speaker 1: So you've already said a strong alumni network, you talked

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Speaker 1: about diversity. What are some other green flags for you?

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Speaker 2: I think a really big one in terms of green

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Speaker 2: flags would be like really assessing what that culture is like.

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Speaker 2: I will never say anything bad about particularly universities, but

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Speaker 2: let's say you hear a university is known for students

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Speaker 2: having lots of suicides on campus. That might not be

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Speaker 2: the one that I'm looking at. A university that's known

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Speaker 2: for being like cut throat. Maybe they only have a

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Speaker 2: particular amount of books and people are known for like

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Speaker 2: ripping pages out of the books, or there are these

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Speaker 2: crazy curves that cause divides, or like exclusive study groups.

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Speaker 2: I know what I'm saying just sounds ridiculous, but that's

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Speaker 2: a real thing. Also, campuses that might be known for

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Speaker 2: like excessive hazing or like bad practices. Campuses that might

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Speaker 2: be known for high amounts of sexual abuse, or like

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Speaker 2: how do they address sexual abuse on campus as a woman.

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Speaker 2: That's a real thing that we need to think about.

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Speaker 2: Red flags are universities without like strong security systems. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I went to a school with an open campus, but

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Speaker 2: I still felt relatively safe, Like I just I don't

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Speaker 2: want anyone to be able to access my dorm, Like

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Speaker 2: it's really scary out here, so really think about all

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Speaker 2: of those things as well. I think also a red flag.

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Speaker 2: Most universities don't do the best with this. It's like

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Speaker 2: a university which is a horrible I mean horrible career system.

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Speaker 2: Like the whole point of view going to university is

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Speaker 2: to elevate yourself to have access to career opportunities. If

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Speaker 2: your career center just has nothing for you, like there's

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Speaker 2: no jobs opportunities that come to campus, like when you

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Speaker 2: ask them, like they can't even point you to the

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Speaker 2: right direction or just give you access to like a

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Speaker 2: lum like I would personally stay away unless you're just

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Speaker 2: like a super self starter. Like I said, this university

542
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Speaker 2: is only here to sponsor and pay for you. But

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Speaker 2: I believe that like your university is supposed to have

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Speaker 2: people there to provide you, like the support and resources. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to say this as another red flag

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Speaker 2: because you pay a lot of money intuition. I think

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Speaker 2: universities that don't have any access to like mental health, wellness,

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Speaker 2: academic coaching, those things are really important resources like to

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Speaker 2: have like a learning center to have academic coaching or tutoring.

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Speaker 2: Having access to the mental health resource is. I mean

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Speaker 2: college is hard, like you will get lonely. You need

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Speaker 2: to have resources to support your mental health. If they

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Speaker 2: don't have that, that to me is a red flag.

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Speaker 2: So my green flag would be a university having that

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Speaker 2: great list.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Kaitlyn. So where can we stay

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Speaker 1: connected with you? What is your website? If you have

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Speaker 1: one or any social media handles you'd like to share.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So for my website and all social media platforms,

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Speaker 2: you can follow mis Empower. That's MI I S S E,

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Speaker 2: M P O w h e R dot com and

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Speaker 2: it's just mis Empower on all social media platforms. That's

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Speaker 2: for my women empowerment brand. For myself, you can follow

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Speaker 2: me Kaitlyn Kumi. That's c A I t l y

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Speaker 2: N k U m I on LinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram. Those

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Speaker 2: are my main social media platforms to connect with me

567
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Speaker 2: to get more career advice, personal finance tips, mental health tips, onus, beauty,

568
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Speaker 2: all of that. That's the best way to stay in

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Speaker 2: touch with me and get connected perfect well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing with us today, Caitlin

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. This was great, and I

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Speaker 2: hope so many young women listen to this episode and

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Speaker 2: find value because college was definitely a great investment, even

575
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Speaker 2: though it was very expensive.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I can't stop thinking about what Caitlyn said

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Speaker 1: around applying for scholarships not only in high school but

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Speaker 1: also in college. That's definitely a major part of the

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Speaker 1: college application process and enrolled student experience that I think

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Speaker 1: unfortunately goes underlooked. Now that we've heard from a recent

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Speaker 1: grand we'll hear from someone who has spent a bit

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Speaker 1: more time out of college, someone who can share even

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Speaker 1: more resources and considerations to assist you in making your

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Speaker 1: college decision. Here's my conversation with Felicia. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. Felicia, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have started the College by Her program.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about what that is?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So, College by Her is an organization and business

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Speaker 4: that I started when I was in college. And so

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Speaker 4: the way it started was after my freshman year, my

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Speaker 4: friends and I wanted to get together and I had

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Speaker 4: a friend who was a year younger than me, and

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Speaker 4: she was like, you know, you have an older sister,

596
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Speaker 4: she kind of helped you get ready for college, but

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Speaker 4: I'm the only child, Like what about me? So me

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Speaker 4: and my friends were like, Okay, you know, let's take

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Speaker 4: all of our knowledge from our one year in college,

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Speaker 4: you know, and let's share with these people who are

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Speaker 4: about to go into college, like just what college is?

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Speaker 3: Like, what is office hours? What is all of these things?

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Speaker 4: Right? And so we got together one summer and had

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Speaker 4: like a girl talk event. She brought all of her

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Speaker 4: friends who were about to enter college. I brought all

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Speaker 4: of my friends and we literally just told them everything.

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Speaker 3: About our first year.

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Speaker 4: When they absolutely loved it. They were like, this is

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Speaker 4: something you need to do every year. And that happened

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Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. So here we are almost ten years later,

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Speaker 4: and there have been a lot of different iterations of

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Speaker 4: college by her summer events. Those have went from panels

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Speaker 4: to one year I did a full day conference. So

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Speaker 4: it's been a lot of different versions, but all of

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Speaker 4: it to support black girls, specifically as they transition from

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Speaker 4: high school into college.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So and even at a very young age,

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Speaker 1: you had this whole spirit of wanting to kind of

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Speaker 1: give back and pass on this knowledge. So how does

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Speaker 1: it look different now with you being, you know, some

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Speaker 1: years away from graduating to what it looked like when

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Speaker 1: you first started.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when I was in college, it was definitely

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Speaker 4: more of a peer right kind of model. I was

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Speaker 4: in college as well, so helping younger girls transition. And

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Speaker 4: then even when I was in grad school, like I

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Speaker 4: still had a very strong connection to like my dance

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Speaker 4: studio back home. So through there, a lot of girls

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Speaker 4: would graduate and I could help them kind of transition

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Speaker 4: into college. And so it definitely got a little bit

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Speaker 4: more difficult as I got out of grad school because

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Speaker 4: you know, age wise, I maybe didn't know that many

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Speaker 4: people in high school or things like that, and so

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Speaker 4: really being able to use the network that College by

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Speaker 4: Her had built, and so girls who were still in college,

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Speaker 4: they were kind of reaching back to their younger sisters

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Speaker 4: and cousins and girls that they knew. So it was

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Speaker 4: definitely that trickle down effect. And now like College by

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Speaker 4: Her has a podcast, which I really love because I

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Speaker 4: think when I was on campus, like being able to

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Speaker 4: listen to something that's very quick, right like ten minutes

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Speaker 4: I'm walking from one class.

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Speaker 3: To another, and so to be able to give them some.

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Speaker 4: Tidbits and information and inspiration I think has been really important.

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Speaker 4: So the podcast is really like the main thing that

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Speaker 4: College by Her is right now, and that's how I

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Speaker 4: see my way of giving back, even though I am

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Speaker 4: older and a little bit removed from college kind of

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Speaker 4: compared to the younger days.

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Speaker 1: So what kinds of themes come up in terms of

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Speaker 1: the challenges young black women are having either on campus

652
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: or as they are preparing to go to college.

653
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: Yes, so I would say the main thing would be boundaries. Boundaries,

654
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: and I'll say family relationships. And it's funny how those

655
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: two things go together, right, So navigating family dynamics upon

656
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: entering college, while in college, and then post college. So

657
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: I think those are definitely two big things that come

658
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: to mind when I think about the black college girls

659
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: I've worked with in the past and even now, really

660
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: talking about how can I assert my independence in this respectful,

661
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: culturally appropriate way while also like having this autonomy and

662
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: making choices that maybe everybody back home may not agree with,

663
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: And then what does that look like? And kind of

664
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: how am I coping with and managing some of those stressors.

665
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: What kinds of things do you think are helpful for

666
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: young women as they consider like where to go to college,

667
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: like as they're putting together their list of potential places.

668
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think definitely being able to go and

669
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: visit a college physically, I think is helpful. I do

670
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: know that that might not be available for everyone to do,

671
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: so I do think some of the things that you

672
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: can think of, whether you're able to go visit in

673
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: person or not, is what are some of the things

674
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: that you're looking for in terms of education. So I

675
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: know some people know when they go into college what

676
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: they want to do, and some people do and that's

677
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: okay too. But sometimes if you do know what you

678
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: want to do, Let's say you want to go to

679
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: school for journalism, you might be looking into schools right

680
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: who have a renowned journalism program.

681
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: And so I think if.

682
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 4: You know kind of where you want to go on

683
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: the education side, that can be something that's kind of

684
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: helping you to inform those choices. I think another big

685
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: thing is in state versus out of state college is

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: more expensive than when I went and so I'm from

687
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: North Carolina, and so I remember my mom telling me

688
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: when I was looking at schools outside of North Carolina,

689
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: she's like, girl, do you see these out of state

690
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: tuition prices? She's like, North Carolina has amazing colleges. So

691
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: whatever you're looking for, I'm sure you can get here.

692
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: And she was right.

693
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: I went to Chapel Hill and absolutely loved it. But

694
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: I would say that would be a piece as well.

695
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: If you want to, you know, go far away for

696
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: whatever reason or stay home for whatever reason, that can

697
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: also play a part in kind of what college you're picking,

698
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: as well as proximity to family. So there might be different,

699
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: you know, reasons that you do need to be close

700
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: to home, and so what does that look like? And

701
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: so I think those are kind of some of the

702
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: big picture things to help you. And I know some

703
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: people like to look a little bit further into the

704
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 4: academics on you know, students to teacher ratio if that's

705
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: something that you know really is important to you, and

706
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: other like resources that they have on campus. So I

707
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: would say it would really depend on your values and

708
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: what's kind of important to you and then being able

709
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: to see if the college you're looking at can offer

710
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: you those things.

711
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: And in your mind, are there any red flags that

712
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: students should be paying attention to in terms of Okay,

713
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: this might not be a good place for you.

714
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good question.

715
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: Red flags, I would say, how people treat you when

716
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 4: you're either like going to visit this campus or even

717
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: just calling someone on the phone, and I say, treat

718
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: you too, and like the culture of the university, so like,

719
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: are they willing to like, oh, we're gonna you know,

720
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: you missed the first part of your tour because you

721
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: were in traffic. We're going to walk you to where

722
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: they are. Just different things like that. I think the

723
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: culture of the place can say a lot how people

724
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: engage with you and how they talk about the university,

725
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 4: and I think with that their reputation in a way. Right,

726
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 4: of course, you have to kind of take things with

727
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: the grain of salt, but I think sometimes to being

728
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: able to hear other people's experiences and if you are

729
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: kind of noticing a common theme right with everyone that

730
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: you talk to who maybe went to that university, that

731
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: could possibly be a red flag. Depending So those are

732
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: kind of the two main things that are coming up for.

733
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Me more from our conversation after the break. So, you know,

734
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot of students even still or you know, maybe

735
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: among the first generation of students to go to college

736
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: in their families. What kinds of resources exist that you

737
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: can think of that might help somebody get ready for

738
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the application process.

739
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: Yes, so I do know that guidance counselors a lot

740
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: of times in high schools can be a really first

741
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: good resource to help you in that process.

742
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: As well as.

743
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: Depending on where you live, I do know there are

744
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: nonprofit organizations in different cities who provide support to students

745
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: who may need help filling out fast FA or going

746
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: through the application process if they are the first in their.

747
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: Family to go to college.

748
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: So I've oftentimes talked to students about researching what those

749
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: nonprofit organizations may look like in their community, because there

750
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 4: are people out here who are doing this work to

751
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: really support and walk students through that process if they

752
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: do need any support. So I would definitely recommend looking

753
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: into that based on where you live. And then a

754
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: lot of colleges now have different programs over the summer

755
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: you can be introduced to and engage in to kind

756
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: of help you learn more about what college may look like.

757
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: I know, for one, at Chapel Hill there's one called

758
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 4: Project Uplift. It has been going on for over fifty

759
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: years and I actually went as a participant, and then

760
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: I got to participate as a staff member all four

761
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: years in college. And so it's a great program where

762
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: high schoolers get to come to Chapel Hell for a weekend,

763
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: they go on a tour, they get to sit through

764
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: academic class, all these other pieces to.

765
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: See like what even is college? Right? What does this

766
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: look like? What is it like?

767
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: And so to be able to engage in different programs

768
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: while you're in high school like that to expose you

769
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: and just get your wheels turning, I think can be

770
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: a really good resource as well.

771
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. So one piece I don't think

772
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: we often talk about enough is like the mental health

773
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: impact even of the entire application process. Right, So there's

774
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: just a lot of moving parts, a lot of papers

775
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: to fill out, and I think for a lot of

776
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: young people, this may be their first experience with rejection, right,

777
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: like maybe not getting into the school they wanted. Can

778
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about the mental health impact

779
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: of even going through the application process?

780
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 4: Yes, So I think you bring up a good point

781
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: about rejection because a lot of times, especially let's say,

782
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: if I'm a high achieving person and I'm doing really

783
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: well in high school, then that college application process can

784
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: really be difficult because I am hearing no i'd be

785
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: from a college that I really want to go to.

786
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: And so I think a big thing that comes up

787
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: for me during this process is community and like the

788
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: people who are around you. So whether that be friends, family,

789
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 4: a teacher, guidance, counselor whoever it is that you trust,

790
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 4: like really being able to have these people in your

791
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 4: corner who you can go to when you get that

792
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 4: first rejection and maybe you know your feelings are hurt

793
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: or maybe you're crying or different things like that, but

794
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: having people in your corner who can encourage you and

795
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: show that support and let you know that this one

796
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: school rejected you, that doesn't mean you're you know, this

797
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: failure or you're this bad person, or you're never going

798
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: to go to college.

799
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: So really being able to support you in that way.

800
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: So I think community is a really big thing when

801
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: it comes to navigating this process and whatever that community

802
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: looks like for you.

803
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: So, besides the maybe experiences of rejection, are there any

804
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: other mental health pieces you think are important to kind

805
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: of pay attention to during this process?

806
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: I would say comparison, I think That's a big one

807
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: in terms of applying for college and then even being

808
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: in college. So when you're in college, I think it

809
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: can be easy to compare yourself to your peers. Right,

810
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: so this person, oh, they already have an internship, or

811
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: this person already has a job once they graduate, and

812
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: so it can make you feel like you're not doing enough, right,

813
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: like you need to do more, or maybe I shouldn't

814
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: have picked this major because they picked this major and

815
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: they're getting all the job offers and I'm not. And

816
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: so really kind of comparing yourself and the same with

817
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 4: entering college. Right you might have a friend and they're

818
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: going to I don't know, University of Hawaii and you're like, dang,

819
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm staying in North Carolina, and so comparing your experience

820
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: to theirs and feeling like you need to be doing more,

821
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: need to be doing less. So I think that is

822
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 4: also a really big piece. It can take a toll,

823
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: like on your mental health as well.

824
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Felicia, I would love to throw you a little bit

825
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: of a curve ball because I think, like you just

826
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: mentioned high achieving students, right, so there are people and

827
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: we know, I think especially in black families, right, there's

828
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: this expectation that you like, do well in school and

829
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: then after high school, you're definitely going to college. And

830
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, the truth is that college is not going

831
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: to be the best fit for everybody. And I don't

832
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: know that we always give people space to kind of

833
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: figure out what are they actually wanting to do after

834
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: high school? So what kinds of tips would you give

835
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: for somebody to figure out is college even the next

836
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: thing for me? Like? What kinds of things should they

837
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: be thinking about?

838
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I think definitely going back to this idea of values.

839
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 4: I think that would be really important to consider when

840
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: thinking about what someone might want to do after high school.

841
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: I know that now people are more open to the

842
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: idea of going to cosmetology school and going to get

843
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 4: other certifications and things. I feel like this more accepted

844
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 4: maybe now as people are seeing how expensive college is

845
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: and all the student loans some people have to pay back,

846
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: and you know, there are amazing and great jobs that

847
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: people can have without going to college, and I think

848
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: that is becoming more normalized now. And so I would say,

849
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: in terms of being in high school and exploring what's

850
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: next or what you would like to do, I would

851
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 4: say going back to things you're interested and passionate about,

852
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: and also too, when thinking about your aspirations or just

853
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: even hopes and dreams that you have, doing research and

854
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: seeing the different pathways to get there, because I'm sure,

855
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: as we all know, college is not the only pathway

856
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: to get somewhere, So there might be other paths that

857
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: gets you exactly to where you want to be that

858
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: don't involve a four year degree. And so doing some research,

859
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: whether that's online, talking to people, shadowing somebody in the

860
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: job feeld that you want to be in, maybe asking

861
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: them what their credentials are, what their background is. And

862
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: so I think being able to talk to people to

863
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: get that research done, I think would be really helpful.

864
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because it seems like in black

865
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: families and maybe other families too, there's fun being picked

866
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: at students who say they want to take a gap year, right, Like,

867
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? I don't even feel like

868
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: that was a conversation when I was like coming out

869
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: of high school, So I feel like that is a

870
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: newer kind of a term. But you know, people tend

871
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: to make fun of students who say they want to

872
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: take a gay year and it's like, well, what are

873
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: you gonna do with your life? And it's funny because

874
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: even as recently is I'm not sure if you watch

875
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: The Queen's barnb Show on Bravo, but Koco was having

876
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: a conversation with her child about it. Sounds like the

877
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: child did really well in their first year of school

878
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: and initially wanted to be a dentist, but they're thinking

879
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: now they want to follow moms footsteps and singing and

880
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: they have a beautiful voice. And she was like, absolutely

881
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: not like you're going to school, you wanted to be

882
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: a dentist. And so I wonder if there are suggestions

883
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you can offer two parents about maybe how to be

884
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: more supportive of their student if they do decide they

885
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: want to take a gap year or they want to

886
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: do something different than college.

887
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think the example you gave about even

888
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: someone going to college and then changing their mind, I've

889
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 4: been seeing that a lot as well. And so to parents,

890
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 4: I think my advice is to understand developmentally, like where

891
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 4: your child is, and so we oftentimes talk about this

892
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: idea like in high school. When someone's eighteen seventeen, that

893
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 4: is a very interesting age to be asking them to

894
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: make a decision of what they want to do for

895
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 4: the next four years, because at eighteen, you probably don't

896
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: even know what you want to do next month, and

897
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: so when you think about it, you know, culturally, it

898
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: is really interesting. That's a lot of weight, right to

899
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: kind of put on someone. I mean, we're trusting them

900
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: to make this decision that then they're just not supposed

901
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: to change their mind about or have any other feelings about.

902
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's tough, and so I think

903
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: for parents, I would encourage, you know, empathy in conversations

904
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: and communication. So being able to talk to your child

905
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: about what got them to that point in making that

906
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: decision that maybe they no longer want to go to

907
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: college and no longer want to be in college. I

908
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: think those conversations can be really helpful because sometimes I think,

909
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 4: especially in the black community, it can be because I said, so, right,

910
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: and you're going to college.

911
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: That's it.

912
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: And so to have that two way communication to listen

913
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 4: to what it is that your child is sharing. That

914
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: of course doesn't mean you're going to agree right with everything,

915
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: but to be able to have that conversation so that

916
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: they feel like they can share with you what made

917
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: them change their mind or what's going on for them,

918
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: I think is really important.

919
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: While we are talking about parents, I think one something

920
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: else that they often struggle with is the idea that

921
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: they are now turning over responsibilities to their student right

922
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: and they are in the driver's seat in terms of

923
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: like what happens in their life. What might you say

924
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: to parents who are struggling with this new transition.

925
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: Woo.

926
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: So it's so interesting. I feel like I have so

927
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: many different perspectives here. I'm not a parent myself, but

928
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest of four, and so my mom, you know,

929
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: having to come into this on her own, and then

930
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: of course now working with college students and so hearing

931
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 4: them share their experience with their parents. And I've also

932
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: worked with parents in the past, so kind of having

933
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 4: these different experiences, I think I will definitely go back

934
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: to this idea of communication. I think it's really important,

935
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: and going back to boundaries as well.

936
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Because we know that in black.

937
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: Households and families it can be really difficult to know

938
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 4: how to set a boundary if that's never been modeled

939
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: for you, if you've never seen someone do that in

940
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: a healthy and respectful way.

941
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: I'll add those.

942
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: Two pieces, and so if I've never seen that before,

943
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: then when I get to college, it's going to be

944
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: that much more difficult for me to set a boundary

945
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: with my mom or my dad or my grandma or

946
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: whoever as I am making that transition. And on the

947
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: other side of that, my mom or dad might not

948
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: know how to respond to set boundary because I've never

949
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: set one before. So it's a lot of new things

950
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 4: happening that no one has experience, and so I think

951
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 4: with that, everyone needs grace. So the student, you know,

952
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 4: needs grace for their parent. The parent needs grace for

953
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: the student. When I find oftentimes when I'm able to

954
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: let people know that like, hey, this is new for

955
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: all of us, like nobody has done this before, and

956
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 4: that can kind of lower people's defenses in terms of

957
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: like needing to be right or all of those other things,

958
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 4: because it is really hard to navigate these transitions, especially

959
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 4: when you're talking about like living situations.

960
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: So you used to live at school and now you're.

961
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: Coming home for the holidays, and you want to be

962
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: able to stay out till three o'clock in the morning

963
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 4: because that's what you do at school.

964
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: But your mom was like, no, you're not doing that

965
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: in my house? What does that look like? So, yeah,

966
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: it can be difficult.

967
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: So what advice would you give to students who are

968
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: in the throes of the application process right now? Any

969
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: tips for taking care of themselves or just kind of

970
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: getting through the process.

971
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I would definitely say to take breaks. I think

972
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: oftentimes when we're in any type of application process, but

973
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: specifically for school, it can feel very much like if

974
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: I started this application today, I have to finish it today.

975
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 4: So what would it be like to break things down

976
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 4: into smaller parts? So maybe today you work a little

977
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: bit on that essay that you write, and maybe tomorrow

978
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: is when you're gonna email such and such for that

979
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: letter of recommendation. So kind of giving yourself benchmarks and

980
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: breaking tasks down into smaller tasks so that you don't

981
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: feel like overwhelmed by the process a piece of advice

982
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: as well, as I found this to be helpful.

983
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: Tricking your mind about the due date.

984
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 4: So like, if the due date for something is January first,

985
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: you tell yourself is December first. So that guy that

986
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: gives you, you know, that gap, that buffer for things

987
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 4: that might go wrong, whether that's somebody who was supposed

988
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: to write you a letter of recommendation is two weeks late, right,

989
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: or anything like that.

990
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: It gives you that.

991
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: Time and so you're not feeling so crunched and stressed,

992
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: and you know that you'll probably have it done by

993
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: December first, and if you don't, you still kind of

994
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: have that wiggle room because you gave yourself that time.

995
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that you have such a wealth of knowledge,

996
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: right starting this organization while you were in college, going

997
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: through college yourself, and now being on the other side

998
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: helping college students. What kinds of life skills do you

999
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: think young people need in college that they might not

1000
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: quite be developing in high school, and what kinds of

1001
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: things should they do to kind of start working on those.

1002
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 4: It's been really interesting to work in college mental health

1003
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: through COVID because I think something that we've really been

1004
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: able to see in real time, like I'm sure many

1005
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: other therapists have as well, is the impact on the

1006
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 4: social piece of people's development, particularly communication. So as I'm

1007
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 4: meeting with college students now, some of these students were

1008
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: coming up on possibly the majority of their high school

1009
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: time was online, right, So when you think about that

1010
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 4: and then you come to college and let's say you're

1011
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: unhappy with something your professor did. That kind of skill

1012
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 4: of maybe going to office hours and asking your professor like, hey,

1013
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: can you explain to me the score on this paper

1014
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: or help me understand the rubric a little better? My've

1015
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 4: scene that's fl maybe isn't all the way there. So

1016
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: in terms of advocating for oneself communicating, whether that be

1017
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: to a professor, or it can even be in peer relationships,

1018
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: I do think that COVID and a lot of those

1019
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 4: skills that maybe people might develop in high school because

1020
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: the opportunity wasn't there. There might just be some gaps there,

1021
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: and so that can make some situations a little more

1022
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: challenging in college because that practice maybe wasn't there the

1023
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 4: same way in high school that we've seen in years past.

1024
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: So do you have like an exercise or a prompt

1025
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: that you can offer our community that you maybe use

1026
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: with your clients to help with the communication skills?

1027
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: I oftentimes talk about I statements and so being able

1028
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 4: to share with whoever it is, family member or professor,

1029
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: how you're feeling. I think a lot of times it's

1030
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: easy to point the finger and tell them what they're doing,

1031
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 4: but to let them know the impact. So I feel

1032
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: blank and being able to fill that with an emotion.

1033
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: A lot of times we follow I I feel with

1034
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: the thought, and so I give my students emotion and

1035
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: feelings will so that they can have toolbox in a

1036
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: vocabulary to be able to pick from in terms of

1037
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: what they might share with someone about how they're feeling.

1038
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: Then I also encourage them to listen, to understand, and

1039
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 4: not to respond, so remembering that communication, of course is

1040
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: what you share with others, but also being able to

1041
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 4: like hear and listen to what it is the other

1042
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: person is saying back.

1043
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: So oftentimes I find that that I feel.

1044
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: Prompts are really helpful, and going into a conversation being

1045
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: able to identify what it is you may need, I

1046
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: think that is a really big one. So for example,

1047
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 4: if I'm talking to a friend, I may need support,

1048
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: I may need advice, but being able to start that

1049
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: conversation off asking for what I need can also help

1050
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: clear up any confusion between me and that friend, and

1051
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: I find that to be helpful. You know, when thinking

1052
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: about professors too, so do I need help with this assignment?

1053
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: Am I looking for guidance? Clarity and being able to

1054
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 4: start the conversation off with stating that too.

1055
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: You know, Felicia there, it feels like are so many

1056
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: different things for a student to consider when they are picking,

1057
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: Like what's the right school for me? So I want

1058
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: to share a list of things, and I want you

1059
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: to tell me, like what might be the top three considerations?

1060
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: So sports, academics, social, the city or town that the

1061
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: schools in, or money in financial support.

1062
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: Ooh, this is a great question. By the way, I

1063
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: would say money and finances is going to be up there,

1064
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: because with the way college is costing in these student loans.

1065
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: Look, if you got a school that's giving.

1066
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: You a good amount of money and they are a

1067
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: reputable and accredited school and all those other things, and

1068
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: you like them, I would pick that school over at

1069
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: school that I also really liked, what wasn't giving me

1070
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 4: that much money?

1071
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: So I would say money and finances is up there.

1072
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 4: I would definitely say city in town is up there

1073
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: as well. And then this might be cheating, but I

1074
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: feel like amongst the rest of them, it would depend

1075
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: on who you are and like your needs, right, because

1076
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: for some person, and you go back to that example

1077
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 4: of journalism, maybe I want to be a sports journalist,

1078
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: so I might feel like the sports at a particular

1079
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: school are more important because I want to, you know,

1080
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 4: work in their sports journalism program and do different things

1081
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: and travel with their team, whereas for someone else that

1082
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: might not be important at all. You know, I don't

1083
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 4: care if you don't have a football teams. I would

1084
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 4: say the third one would depend on who the person

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Speaker 4: is and what it is that they're looking for. But

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Speaker 4: I would say money is definitely up there.

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Speaker 3: On the list.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to take this question a little

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Speaker 1: further because I think for a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: might be enjoying this podcast, one of the decisions they

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Speaker 1: will be making is a PWI versus an HBCU. So

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Speaker 1: can you shed a little light on what kinds of

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Speaker 1: things might be helpful in somebody trying to make that decision.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, I know for a lot of people, their family.

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Speaker 4: If they're not the first person and their family to

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00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: go to college, their family plays a big role, right,

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Speaker 4: whether it's everybody in our family went to A and

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Speaker 4: T or everybody in our family went here. So being

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Speaker 4: able to I think realize is this a place that

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Speaker 4: you want to go or is this a place that

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Speaker 4: your family's making you go, and that can go for

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Speaker 4: any place. So I would say that is could be

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Speaker 4: a first step when it comes to thinking about colleges.

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Speaker 3: I also think going back to program.

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Speaker 4: So for example, there are a lot of schools who

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Speaker 4: have great nursing programs, and so maybe you're looking at

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Speaker 4: when the Salem State because of their nursing program, or

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Speaker 4: maybe you're looking at a specific school because of a

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Speaker 4: major that they have, So that can also drive what

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Speaker 4: it is that you're looking for in terms of a

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Speaker 4: college and also a community. It's no secret that the

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Speaker 4: Black community is very different on a PWI on the

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Speaker 4: HBCU campus, right, and not good versus bad, but literally

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Speaker 4: just different. And so I think a student being able

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Speaker 4: to recognize what they might like and what they want

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Speaker 4: their college experience to be like.

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Speaker 3: And I know there are different.

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Speaker 4: People who they've given theirselves the opportunity to do both

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Speaker 4: because maybe they went to a PWI for undergrad and

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Speaker 4: a hbc for grad school, or even going to a

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Speaker 4: PWY that maybe an HBCU was down the street, so

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Speaker 4: you get to engage in their social activities and vice versa.

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Speaker 4: So I think it really depends on what it is

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Speaker 4: that you're looking for.

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Speaker 3: I did attend a PWI.

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Speaker 4: For both undergrad and grad school, and I think that

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Speaker 4: being in the Triangle area in North Carolina, like being

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Speaker 4: able to go to different functions. And I was also

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Speaker 4: as black and goal, so I was really close with

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Speaker 4: like the alphas at Central even though I went to

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Speaker 4: Chapel Hill, and so being able to engage and be

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Speaker 4: a part of black culture at other colleges even though

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Speaker 4: I wasn't a student there. So I would say it

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Speaker 4: just definitely depends on the person and what it is

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Speaker 4: that they're looking for out of their college experience.

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Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: that for Alicia, So you know where we can stay

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Speaker 1: connected with you. What is your website as well as

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Speaker 1: any social media handles you'd like to share.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So, as we talked about earlier, College by Her

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Speaker 4: the podcast is one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 3: College by Her the podcast.

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Speaker 4: You can find that everywhere that podcasts are so Spotify,

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00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 4: Apple podcasts, all of those things, and we're also on

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Speaker 4: Instagram at College by Her. And then in terms of

1147
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 4: everything else related to me, I do like workshops and

1148
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: speak and facilitate group dialogue and all of those things,

1149
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Speaker 4: and that information is at her wellness et which stands

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Speaker 4: for Enterprises dot com. So really excited about all the

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Speaker 4: upcoming things I have going on. I also have her

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Speaker 4: college manual that I wrote, so it's like a mental

1153
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Speaker 4: health guide for college students that walks through a variety

1154
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Speaker 4: of social and emotional mental health topics. When it's twelve

1155
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Speaker 4: topics kind of to go one month out of the

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Speaker 4: year and you pick one, and there's psycho education in

1157
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Speaker 4: there as well as journaling, pomps and tips and all

1158
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Speaker 4: of that. So that's also located on her wellness eant

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Speaker 4: dot com.

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Speaker 1: Perfect We will be sure to include all of that

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. Thank you so much for spending

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Speaker 1: some time with us today, Felicia. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Caitlin and Felicia for joining us for this episode. To

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Speaker 1: learn more about the work we're doing at TBG University,

1165
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Speaker 1: please check us out at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com

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Speaker 1: slash TBGU