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Speaker 1: What's shake and Hardler's. You are listening to episode sixty

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Speaker 1: two of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone from

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs to top CEOs and athletes and in today's case,

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Speaker 1: celebrities about how they got through tough times in their

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Speaker 1: life hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. My name

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Speaker 1: is Emily A Body, and on today's episode, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be talking to Jamie Chung that she's an all

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Speaker 1: around amazing person, an actress well known for her work

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Speaker 1: on projects like The Gifted, Gotham Big Hero six. The

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about that on last week's episode,

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Speaker 1: out There with Eddie Bauer, hiking and biking and hanging

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Speaker 1: out in some hot springs and just really having an

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Speaker 1: Before I get to Jamie's story, a quick shout out

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Speaker 1: Hurdle to get yours today. Now, let me tell you

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Speaker 1: all about Janie. Like I said, amazing, kind hearted person.

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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to meet her husband as well,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Greenberg, when we were out there, and we all

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Speaker 1: just had a really great time kicking back and enjoying nature.

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Speaker 1: Jamie was born and raised in California. She studied economics

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Speaker 1: at the University of California in Riverside, and her big

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Speaker 1: working in a sports bar. On today's episode, she talks

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Speaker 1: that she's seen along the way, going into audition after audition,

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Speaker 1: get really honest about self confidence and working on that

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Speaker 1: the way about what it was really like for her

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Speaker 1: to know that her parents were watching her every single

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Speaker 1: step back when she was on the real world. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hollywood can be a pretty intimidating place, but it's clear

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Speaker 1: has an amazing attitude, and I think that you guys

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Speaker 1: are going to get a lot of really great takeaways

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Speaker 1: from our conversation today. As always, you know the drill

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Speaker 1: Hurdlers at Hurdle Podcast at Emily a Body on social

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Speaker 1: And with that, let's get to hurdling. Today. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: down with Jamie Chung. She is an actress. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: many of you have heard of our Hey there, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're in beautiful Denton Springs, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I know this is really serendipitous right now. We're out

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Speaker 2: It's like the adult summer camp.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm into it. Well, I'm so, like I said,

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Speaker 1: that we're finding the time to do this, Yes, despite

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Speaker 2: Well, I graduated college in two thousand and five, so

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Speaker 2: A cattle call is when they just put an announcement out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it's interesting because I don't

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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't rub you the

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Speaker 1: Before you went on the show, did you foresee yourself

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Speaker 2: I was a starving artist. I took all the roles.

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Speaker 2: That absolutely, It's just what you don't realize is you

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Speaker 2: This job really requires you to like continue to work

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Speaker 2: But you can't judge yourself. The way you have to

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Speaker 1: I just feel so uncomfortable about this, Like why me?

436
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: And he was like, you need to shove your imposter

437
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: syndrome to the side, which is pretty much like you're

438
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 1: worried that even though you are so qualified and you

439
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 1: are so the right person for this opportunity at this moment,

440
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: if you don't believe that you've got it, then hell no,

441
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: nobody else is gonna believe that you've got it. So like,

442
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: if you're going into these rooms and you're like, this

443
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: isn't for me, I'm not strong enough for this role.

444
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: Well when you think that, well, no, you're not strong

445
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: enough for this role. So the second that you like

446
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: take your fate into your own hands and you believe

447
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: in yourself that you have the charisma, the ability, the

448
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: mental toughness, whatever the case may be, to get what

449
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: you want, that's when you get what you want. In

450
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: these instances when you're like, I'm not even going to

451
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: go to audition.

452
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: God, yeah, just so many great opportunities that just passed

453
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: you by because of your insecurities.

454
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Speaker 1: When was there a time that you may have felt

455
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: that way and were able to get out of your

456
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: own way?

457
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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean this. There's one audition a couple

458
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: of years ago. It was a very sexual role, but

459
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: the character falls in love and it's all about passions.

460
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: It was absolutely necessary for this character to be overtly

461
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Speaker 2: sexual in some of the scenes. And I'm just so

462
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with my sexuality, you know. It's like something that

463
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: I've always had weird, you know, insecure thoughts about you're

464
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: not alone. Yeah, I'm just so weird about intimacy and

465
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: things like that. And so to put yourself on tape

466
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Speaker 2: doing a scene where you're simulating sex and love and

467
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: vulnerability it's like, it's my nightmare. I mean, it's the

468
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: last thing I would ever want my team to see,

469
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: my manager, to see the casting director to see, you know.

470
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: And I'm so it was nerve wracking. It was really

471
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: nerve wracking. Luckily, my husband was there to help me

472
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: tape for it, and I overcame my fear of showing

473
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: this side of myself and it turned out to be

474
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 2: a great tape. And what I found even more strange

475
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Speaker 2: was when I was at a party in my like

476
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: a different agent from my same agency saw the tape

477
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Speaker 2: and was like, that was a great audition. I'm like,

478
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: why would you see that tape? Oh, that's embarrassing, but

479
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: thank you. And now I'm doing a role which requires

480
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: some you know, some simulated sex scenes and and some

481
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Speaker 2: love scenes, and I'm I'm okay with that.

482
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Speaker 1: So this is a different role than what you had

483
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Speaker 1: from before. So did you get the one from the tape?

484
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I did not get the one from the tape, but

485
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: I was so proud of it. And I remember watching

486
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 2: the show because it came out just recently, and you know,

487
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 2: the care they kept all they kept it all in

488
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: it's it's absolutely necessary in order to tell that story.

489
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just like a sex scene just to have

490
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Speaker 2: a sex scene. It was absolutely necessary for the story.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah.

492
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Speaker 2: It's a different flavor. You know, they went with a

493
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: great actress. But yeah, I'm pretty proud of myself. I

494
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: did a really great tape and it's helped me overcome

495
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: this fear of showing intimacy.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it's probably bigger than just

497
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Speaker 1: this year of showing intimacy.

498
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's there's It definitely goes deeper than that.

499
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I mean because now in this one instance where you

500
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: were like, all right, like if I'm really willing to

501
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: work for it, Like one of my favorite quotes is

502
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: that all it takes is all you've got, And if

503
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: you're really willing to give it all you've got, then

504
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: you walk away whether or not you got the role

505
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: or the job or the thing, or you finish the race.

506
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: And how fast you wanted to finish the race, Like,

507
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: as long as you gave it all you had, that's.

508
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 2: All you can do. That's absolutely how you have to

509
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: look at every audition or every meeting. You know, Yeah,

510
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: you do the work, you overthink him, and then you

511
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: let it go and then you just it's you know,

512
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: sometimes magic happens and that you just leave it at

513
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: the door.

514
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: Like that's it. That's it. Yeah, Okay, you mentioned your husband.

515
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: How did you meet your husband? Who's your husband?

516
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: My husband is Brian Greenberg, and he's an amazing actor

517
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: but also the best husband, and we met through mutual

518
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: writers and producers. He was on a show that was

519
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: on ABC. I was on a show on ABC Family

520
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: at the same time, and we had the same Showrinner

521
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: and producers. So that's how we knew of each other

522
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: and how we met.

523
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: Is it weird dating when people know who you are? Like,

524
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean when you go out places. These are like

525
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: the most random things that I wonder. Okay, like when

526
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: you're like in public with your husband, do you find

527
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: it annoying? Do you still want to go out in public?

528
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Do people bother you?

529
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: No? It doesn't happen enough, And it does happen, and

530
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, thank you so much for

531
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: watching the show, Like that means so much to me, Like,

532
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: thank you for watching our silly little indie, Like we

533
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: so appreciate that. Thank you because these days there's so

534
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: much content out there.

535
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: You guys like to go out. You'd like people to

536
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: approach you in public. Everyone that's listening, next time you

537
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: see Jamie in public, please.

538
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Don't like, Oh, we're like waiting for it to happen.

539
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: We're just pleasantly surprised when it does. Let me just

540
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: clarify I appreciate that.

541
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So I do have a follow up question, kind

542
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: of rewinding it back to talking about these times when

543
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: people say no, when that happens, how do you kind

544
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: of get out of that place that is like this

545
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: inevitable like oh suck, Like yeah, like what do you do? Like,

546
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: how do you get back to yourself?

547
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean it's self sabotage and funk. You know,

548
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: there's certain roles that we've lost that I've lost personally,

549
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I you think of the future.

550
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: You're like, if I had that rule, it would change

551
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: my career completely, And you know it would. I would.

552
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: I would be you know, it'd be able to take

553
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: on all the roles that I wanted. You know, if

554
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: only I got that one role. And you are allowed

555
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: to be depressed for one day and to sulk and

556
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: boohoo and feel sorry for yourself, but the next day,

557
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: you got to move on, Like that's it. You know,

558
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: you can't sulk in something that you can't change. You

559
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: have to count your blessings, you have to remember all

560
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: of your wins, and you have to be grateful and

561
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: you know, again, you just take whatever you learn from

562
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: that and hopefully use it for something else in the future.

563
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Like you know, with every character, you learn something new

564
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: about yourself, whether it's a new you know, it's just

565
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: like a new essence or something, and hopefully you can

566
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: use that for a different role in the future, if

567
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: you can use it towards the role that you wanted.

568
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I hear you. Okay, So when you get

569
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: out of your own way, yes, or when you're in

570
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: the process of getting out of your own way, like

571
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: for me, when I am dealing with like someone offers

572
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: me an assignment and then they're like JK. Or I'm

573
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: like dating someone and it goes awful, which it always does.

574
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I'm gonna get over this and I'm

575
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna go open on my seekers and go for a run,

576
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go get a drink with my best

577
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: friend or something like that. Like what do you lean

578
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: into when it all goes to god knows what.

579
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying it's because we're on an

580
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Eddie Bauer trip, but I really get out in nature. Yeah,

581
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: I go for a hike, I hang out with my dog,

582
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: I hang out with my husband, I unplug, you know. Yeah,

583
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: it's it's nice to have that as a reset button

584
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: to really ground yourself.

585
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: And you guys live near you. Guys live near you live.

586
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: So many great hikes. Yeah, you have the Wishing Tree hike.

587
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: We have with the park, we have the Hollywood Reservoir.

588
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: We have so many great walks. I mean it's it's

589
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: quite green and plush in our own neighborhood. So it's

590
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: really just getting into your own body and like sweating

591
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: it out and being out nature. I feel like that's

592
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: the best way to kind of like let it go.

593
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: And you guys travel and hike a lot too.

594
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: We do. Yeah, we plan trips specifically around you know,

595
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: a physical challenge, whether it's hiking the Inca trail or

596
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: you know, my husband just.

597
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: Just a casual sorry, like just a beat for the

598
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: hike on the trail.

599
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even you know, if it's just if it's

600
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: heading up to Lake Tahoe or in the mountains like

601
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: we always we always, we always go and hike, and

602
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a great way to spend quality

603
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: time with each other and our dog and your little family.

604
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: And your little fam Obviously being out here in Colorado,

605
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: it's like I get quiet here that I don't get

606
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: back in New York. But when you're hiking, there's always

607
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: something ahead that you don't know what you're going to expect,

608
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's obviously just such a you know,

609
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: there's so many ties, there's so many parallels that you

610
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: can draw us to life. It's like I don't know

611
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: what's coming, but I'm still going.

612
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with this kind of career, with this,

613
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: with any you know, with any job or career path

614
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: that you that you choose to take. You don't know

615
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: what the future holds or where this bend is going

616
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: to take you. You just play cautious but stay open

617
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: and hopefully be better.

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Speaker 1: How long ago was the last time that you were

643
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Speaker 1: in like a funk like that?

644
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I won't say which rule, but it was.

645
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: I thought the funk was only going to last a

646
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: couple of days, but it lasted a few weeks. Yeah,

647
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: it was so crushing, devastating. It would have came with

648
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: like a three blockbuster movies, like back to back to back.

649
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: It was one of those franchise movies, and I thought

650
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Speaker 2: I had a really great grasp of the character, but

651
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: there was just someone better, someone different.

652
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: How long ago was that?

653
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: Three years ago?

654
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

655
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? After that, I got a Marvel show and it

656
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: was some of the best people I've ever had the

657
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: privilege of working with. And so I've met lifelong friends

658
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: from that show. And now I'm onto the next and

659
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: it's the next job is terrifying, only because it's going

660
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: to challenge me in so many different ways, and I'm

661
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: so ready for this challenge.

662
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what kind of ways?

663
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Learning? Speaking in a different language, speaking Korean, it's period piece, dancing, singing.

664
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: Are you a dancer.

665
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: No, I'm not the King show. I'm not graceful at all. Yeah,

666
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: it's it's just kind of the role requires a lot

667
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: and it's exciting.

668
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: It's exciting.

669
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm grateful for losing the tuning of a

670
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: lifetime to get one of the best shows I've ever

671
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: worked on in order to get the role of a lifetime.

672
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: So when you're not acting, what do you like to do?

673
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Aside from hiking?

674
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: Now these days it's always like what can we create

675
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: for ourselves as storytellers. It's not just acting, like you

676
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: really have to put on your producer hat or you're

677
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, get into different creative grooves and so. No,

678
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: it's just and how you get inspired is different for everyone.

679
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: But for me, it's just engrossing myself and art.

680
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: I know we touched earlier about how social media is

681
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: like in such a different place before when you were

682
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: in the real world. Obviously now with like one point

683
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: two million followers, life is different. Yeah, how is that?

684
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: You know, you use it as a tool, you use

685
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: it to your advantage, you stay true to who you are.

686
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: I don't let it control my life, and I feel

687
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: like that's really easy to get sucked in to yeah,

688
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: showing the best highlights, like showing how fabulous your life is,

689
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, like really playing things up and believing that's

690
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: how it should always be, and just kind of losing

691
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: yourself and things that don't really matter, like likes. Those

692
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: likes shouldn't necessarily bring you joy, should never bring you joy.

693
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's easy to get it twisted, and

694
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, some people, especially the younger generation,

695
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: like has a hard time like distinguishing the difference, and

696
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I certainly don't want to be

697
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: the root of that evil, but it's it's important to

698
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: point out now and again, yeah, it's not it's not

699
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: in real life. It's not you know, if you can't

700
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: sustain that kind of like vacation life forever.

701
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously there's a lot of ways to use the

702
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: platform that can be good. So what have you been doing? Like,

703
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: what do you do on there that you feel like?

704
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Is like, how are you giving back using your platform?

705
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot of non profit organizations that I shout out.

706
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: It's cool to give back. I think it's the messaging

707
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: that I want to put on my platform. It's cool

708
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: to get out in nature and to care about the environment.

709
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: It's cool to care about what's happening in our politics.

710
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: It is cool to be empathetic towards people and be

711
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: kind and show kindness through action. Those things, to me

712
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: are cool, and those things are what I highlight on

713
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: my social platforms to hopefully encourage other people and our

714
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: youth to do. I think that's very important.

715
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: I love that it's cool to be kind.

716
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: It's cool to be kind.

717
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: I think that it's been something and I'm sure i'd

718
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: love to know like a little bit about what you

719
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: do for like this kind of self development strategies, Like

720
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm trying to implement them all of

721
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the time, and like different exercises for me At the

722
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: beginning of every month, I write down one way that

723
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I can feel like I'm giving back to the people

724
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: around me. So something that I've been focusing on this

725
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: month has been randomly complimenting people that I don't know.

726
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: I love that.

727
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that, like that was something that

728
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: I committed to doing at the beginning of last year,

729
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: was like, all right, what's like at the beginning of

730
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: every month, like let's have a regroup. How are you

731
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: doing the things that you wanted to do for the

732
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: whole year? Where are you? It's like it's Q two, Like, Okay,

733
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: we just finished halfway through the year, Like if you

734
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: wanted to save two thousand dollars ago to Italy? Like

735
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: how's that one k doing? Like what's going on here?

736
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: So?

737
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: I think I love that this idea of like it's

738
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: cool to be kind to reflect on what I just

739
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: said though, Like do you have anything that like you

740
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: feel like you do for yourself to continually like reflect

741
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: and you know kind of that self work. I love

742
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: that stuff.

743
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's someone introduced me recently to the artist way,

744
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of purging. Every morning when you

745
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: wake up, you write three pages of just anything. It

746
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: can be a to do list, it can be your

747
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: wildless and securities, it can be goals for the day,

748
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: it can be anything. But it's just like you're just

749
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: spitting it out on paper. You're writing it down and

750
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: then hopefully that will allow yourself to be creative for

751
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: the rest of the day. I felt like that's a

752
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: great way to get out all of your insecurities. You know.

753
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: It's like these are all the things like how I'm feeling.

754
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: I feel I feel bloated, I feel like shit about myself,

755
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, just like stupid things

756
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: like that, and then you're able to just like carry

757
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: on and be your best self.

758
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Have you noticed the difference since you started doing that.

759
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: I just started a week ago, But I do feel

760
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: like I'm getting a lot more work done. Yeah, because

761
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: it also acts as like a check off list, you know,

762
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: all the things that you needed to do today.

763
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I want to know, like, what, aside

764
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: from this role where you're speaking Korean excellently, what else

765
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: do you have to look forward to coming up?

766
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I have a movie for Netflix with the

767
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: very talented Camilla Mendez and that comes out on Netflix

768
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: sometime next year. I did a great indie in the

769
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: UAE earlier this year with an incredible cast with Pierce Brosnan,

770
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: Hermione Corefield. Who knows when that's gonna come out, but

771
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: it's coming together quite nicely. I'm still recording for Big

772
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Hero six, which is on Disney Channel and you can

773
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: catch season two on any of the apps. And I

774
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: just did this great recording for a DC project. So

775
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: it's all it's fun, really fun doing voice over work.

776
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: But that should be coming out soon.

777
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Do you like the sound of your own voice?

778
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think I sound really nasily and annoying.

779
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: But I feel that way too.

780
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes it helps for some of the characters.

781
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: The reason I first thought about starting to podcast was

782
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: everyone said to me, your voice is so great, you

783
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: should do voice over work, and I was like, thank you.

784
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: But when I hear it, I'm like, oh God. But

785
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: when everyone, when anyone ever comes to me asking me

786
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: about starting a podcast or for podcast advice, I like,

787
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: just get used to the sound of your voice, and

788
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: you are the person who thinks it sounds the worst,

789
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: the worst, exactly, period, no doubt about it. Okay, thinking

790
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: about your career so far, if you had to reflect

791
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: on one of the best pieces of advice that you've received,

792
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: what would that be.

793
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: It would definitely be just try your best and move on, Like,

794
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: don't take the criticism to heart and don't let it

795
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: crush you. But there's always there's something for everyone, and

796
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: if this isn't it, there's going to be something else

797
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: that's that's going to be a perfect fit. Yeah, don't

798
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: harp on, you know, the rejections, and don't focus too

799
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: much on that focus on like bettering yourself as an artist.

800
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: Aside from your husband, who do you lean into for

801
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: inspiration and maybe who do you look up to in

802
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: your industry?

803
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean it's someone with a lot of

804
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: confidence and great choices, and that would be Inn shell Lines.

805
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, you know, she's someone that I've

806
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: really relied on recently for the last couple of projects,

807
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: and she's really helped me with my confidence. So I

808
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: think that's really important. A hurdler.

809
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's also coincidentally sitting in this room.

810
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah she is.

811
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: It's fine. I had to like let the hurd there's

812
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: know on her little secret. Obviously. We talked about huge

813
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: social following. Those people see ideally what you're talking about

814
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: when they go to your page. They see someone who

815
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: is kind and passionate and considerate and loves what she's doing.

816
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: When you look in the mirror, what is it that

817
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: you see.

818
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Someone that can do better? You know? Yeah? Is that weird?

819
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't look at myself like ah, and like you

820
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: could you do a couple more setups? I could try

821
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: a little harder. I can spend a little bit more

822
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: time with my family. I can. Yeah, it's always it's

823
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: it's it's a couple positives, but mostly it's like, h,

824
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: this is what I like to do differently, how do

825
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: we shift that? I guess it would just go back to,

826
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: you know, making the list of all the things that

827
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: you should absolutely be happy for.

828
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's really special because in this climate of

829
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: everyone seeing this inevitable highlight reel, people are under the

830
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: impression that it's great and it's okay for it not

831
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: to be great. But I also think it's really special

832
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: that you can own up to the fact that, like

833
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: it's not always like no, it's not.

834
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: I think what's most important, like to remember who's always

835
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: been there for you, That you still have your health,

836
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: we still have the luxury to do the things that

837
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: we want. We have freedom, We can take a holiday

838
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: if we want to, we can go on a road trip.

839
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: We can just like unplug or not work for a

840
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: day or two, you know what I mean. Like, those

841
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: are all luxuries, Those are all luxuries. We are blessed,

842
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, and those are there's things that you cannot forget,

843
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: And I think a great way to kind of snap

844
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: out of it is spend time giving back. Yeah, you know,

845
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: stop feeling sorry for yourself, like start giving back.

846
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I have this book. I want to say it's like

847
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: fifty two lists. It's I think it's fifty two lists,

848
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: and I think there's a right of them. Like you

849
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: can make lists for everything, but this particular one has

850
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: you making lists generally about just random things in your life.

851
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: Write down twenty things that you like about yourself, or

852
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: write down twenty characteristics that you enjoy about yourself, or

853
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the last ten times that like really made you smile.

854
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: And when I feel like I am in just such

855
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: a funk, I'll just pick up the book and open

856
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: it to some random list and make a list. And

857
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: so now I know in that book, I have a

858
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: list of things that I like about myself. So on

859
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: the days again when like some guy just makes me

860
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: feel like I am not good or I lose that assignment,

861
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: all right, let's open the book just for a second, like,

862
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: let's remember how you feel. I heard this the other

863
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: day on a podcast from Jay Sheddy. He says it's

864
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: called self worth because you get to determine that it's

865
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: not their worth, your friend's worth. You get to decide

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Speaker 1: how you feel you are. Yeah, maybe think about that's

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Speaker 1: SIGNOK in the mirror.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that usually really helps, you know, our random

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Speaker 2: acts of kindness, not like just so focused on yourself.

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Speaker 2: You're focused on like, Ooh, I really want to do

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Speaker 2: this because I really hope this person smiles, Like I

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Speaker 2: behind me in surprise, and you know, like, I hope

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Speaker 2: he has a great day. So like you're taking the

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Speaker 2: I feel like that really helps to.

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Speaker 1: I dig get all right, the way that we close

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Speaker 1: out hurdle every time. If you had the chance right

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Speaker 1: now to give the Jamie who is auditioning for that

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Speaker 1: role where she's just like, how the hell am I

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Speaker 1: going to do this? I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: She feels all the self doubt. You have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: right now to give her a piece of advice at

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Speaker 1: those hurdle moments early in her career. What is it

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Speaker 1: that you tell her.

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Speaker 2: You are unique, you are special, and your version of

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Speaker 2: this character is going to get their attention. Just do

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Speaker 2: the best that you can, and most importantly, have fun

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Speaker 2: with it. Have fun. You've got nothing to lose.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Jamie thanks so much for Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

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Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at hurdle

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Speaker 1: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast. Jamie, where do they find you? How

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Speaker 1: do they find you?

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Speaker 2: Give me the date, watch my show It's The Gifted,

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Speaker 2: or Daycare or six or you can find me at

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Speaker 2: Jamie J. Chung.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. Yeah, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys

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Speaker 1: next time.