WEBVTT - Windows 7 Preview 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:08.760 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.840 tech Stuff from how stuff works dot Com. Hi there, everybody, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.079 Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polette and 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.360 I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot com 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.480 with me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland as 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:26.000 along the likum okay because in height wow Okay, So 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.840 hi guys, um, you know what time it is already? 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:39.400 What time is it? Listener mail time? Oh? Man? They 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.000 love it when I throw those in at the very 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.280 beginning of the show. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.519 one of those shows where we actually respond to a 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.000 listener mail and that forms the basis of our show. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.720 So if it doesn't go well, we can blame the listener. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.760 This mail comes from Stephen and Steven says, Hey, guys, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.360 guess what it's time for listener mail. I'm not gonna 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.040 do it again. With Windows seven being rushed out of 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:07.000 production because of Windows Vista's bad press in quotes, I 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.440 think it would be interesting to talk about Windows Vista 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.880 slash Windows seven. Have you used Windows Vista and or 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.639 tried the Windows seven beta. What's your opinion on the issue, 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.839 love the podcast, Stephen. Well, Stephen, I'm glad you asked 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.240 this question. We actually do have a beta copy of 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.840 Windows seven in the office. I picked it up from 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.960 the Microsoft gurus themselves while I was at the Consumer 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.600 Electronics Show the two thousand nine one just this past year. Um, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.680 and uh, we've had a chance to kind of play 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.360 with a little bit, and so we thought we'd talked 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.600 a bit about Vista Windows seven kind of the whole 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.679 brew haha around that. So, um, I guess we should 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.280 start and set the stage by talking about Vista. Okay, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.640 So well, first of all, let's go way back, way 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:58.200 back to Yes, it was August two thousand one, and uh, 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.960 back in those days, those those happy days of two 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:06.040 thousand one is the pre nine eleven days, think about that, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.280 just barely, but Microsoft released Windows XP and uh, and 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.880 you know this, this operating system became sort of the 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:19.079 standard in corporate America as well as most PC machines 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.360 that were released from that point onward. And so um 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.200 XP was was kind of the go to operating system 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.600 for for most of the the personal computing world. Uh. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.079 Of course you have the Apple Mac users as well, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:37.880 but we're talking about most mainstream corporate America. So the 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.919 nice thing about XP was that they managed to work 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.679 out a lot of the kinks early on, and uh, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.960 and everything seemed to work pretty well, everything being things 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.960 like you know, video cards and sound cards and uh, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:52.359 extra devices and applications. Um, things were running pretty smoothly. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.080 But after a while, the operating system begins to show 0:02:55.120 --> 0:03:00.000 its age and Microsoft starts to develop a new operating system. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.880 And they were actually in development for this new operating 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.040 system for more than five years. Yeah, and uh it 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:14.520 had a snazzy new name, um Longhorn, Vista, Uh Pallette. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.799 Oh you're so drolly. Yes, it was Vista, and and 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.720 like it. Like we said, it was about five years 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.240 in the making. And uh, some people would say that 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.960 was one year too few. Um, when Vista came out, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.640 it looked pretty snazzy compared to XP. Oh. Yeah, I 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.640 had a lot of a lot of I candy was 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.600 some one of those things where everybody was excited about 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.600 all the widgets and all the cool things that you 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.160 could do because you know, hey, then the mac os 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.560 had had dashboard and of course, uh, confabulator got gobbled 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.640 up by Yahoo and turned into Yahoo Widgets. Widgets are 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.800 the thing. So yeah, you know, everybody was looking at 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.240 the pretty beautiful new Vista interface and said, you know, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.720 this has got to be the awesomest os ever. Right. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.080 So Vista goes gold in the fall of two thousand six. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.040 So when you think about it, that means that Vista 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.800 of course was going into development the same time they 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.600 were releasing XP. So that kind of gives you an 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.800 idea of the the cycle of operating system development. What 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.840 by the time something's coming out, they're already working on 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.080 the next generation. And I think that's pretty typical of 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.839 a lot of tech, right, Yeah, but it's interesting to 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.520 think about, sure, at least for me, because you figured 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.680 they would rest on their laurels for a year or 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.680 so and then you know, I guess I should come 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.039 out with another operating system or maybe you know, take 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.880 some time to evaluate what's working and what's not working 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.240 before they go into development of a brand new thing. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.400 Now you're just talking gibbering, I know. So anyway, two 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.479 thousand sixs A gooes gold. By early two thousand seven, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.919 that's when most of us could get our grubby little 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.760 hands on it because but you know, two thousand six 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.359 it was mainly big enterprises that we're getting hold of it, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.479 or UM or a computer manufacturers who were installing it 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.520 on the computers that they were offering in stores. So 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.440 two thousan and seven, the rest of us get a 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.080 chance at it um And there are some problems. Uh, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.760 there's some major problems, and most of them have to 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.760 do with things like well, the two big ones would 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:17.200 be drivers and application compatibility issues, so not to mention 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.880 the massive amounts of RAM that it takes to run 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.919 all that I Candy I was talking about, right, Okay, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.760 so yeah, there was also that problem is the fact 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.880 that it was extremely resource heavy. Actually Windows has always 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.839 been that way really, I mean some more than others. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.960 But you know, for someone who comes from the good 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.600 old days of Doss, where we were used to our 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.320 operating system not taking up a huge amount of our 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.200 our computer's resources, Windows has always kind of had a 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.160 sour taste. Um, I'm just saying. You know, I was 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.880 one of those lated adopters for Windows three point one. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.920 If you can believe it, you know, there's a there's 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.640 a reason Bill Gates said that Windows would only require 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.840 a certain amount of am and you know that was 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.760 before they decided to get into all this stuff. So right, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:04.039 So beyond the massive amounts of resources that it would drain, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.080 meaning that you would need a powerful computer just to 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.719 run Vista effectively. Uh, the two big issues, like I said, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:15.160 we're driver problems and and application compatibility issues. So drivers 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.640 think of drivers and sort of a liaison. It's a 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:23.479 liaison between various hardware, uh, items that you have installed 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.960 on your computer and the applications that you run. Yeah, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.120 you plug in that new printer and you're going, okay, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.240 I gotta print this thing out from my class. It's 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.240 do at ten o'clock. And then you find out that 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.760 your computer won't drive your printer and actually print the 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.080 document because it doesn't have the the proper plug in 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.200 and it's it's really a tiny piece of software, but 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.000 without it, you're stuck. And you know, the a lot 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.800 of the operating systems out there will detect hardware soon 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.320 as you plug it in and will search for the 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.279 proper driver and make sure you have it so that 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.040 it ends up being kind of a painless operation. It's 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.159 sort of the whole plug and play um philosophy. You know, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.279 you plug it in and you don't have to do anything. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.960 The computer does all the work and next thing you know, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.160 it works. Well, Vista wasn't working like that, and it 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.440 wasn't just things like printers and copiers and fax machines, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.880 which in fact did have problems. In fact, Chris Parillo 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.080 had a major problem getting his copier to work. And 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.560 if Chris Parillo is like a geek genius, if he 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.920 has trouble with his network on Vista, what hope is 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.480 there for the rest of us. But the the issue 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.640 here was that things like like video cards weren't working 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.560 with this stuff. So you would try and boot up 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.200 a game and it wouldn't work because your video your 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.720 computer wasn't recognizing the video card. UM. And there were 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.560 so many of these problems early on that that people 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.800 began to abandon Vista. They began to say, you know what, UM, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.240 I preferred Windows XP because all of my stuff worked 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.520 with XP. And so what I'm gonna do is I'm 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.360 just gonna downgrade back to that system and I'm gonna 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.800 wait until the next operating system or until Microsoft manages 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.400 to fixed Vista. UM. Now, once that happened, businesses tend 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.640 to move a little more slowly than consumers when it 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.760 comes to this, and it makes sense. Well, yeah, I mean, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.640 especially if you've got tons and tons and tons of users, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.000 you know, thousands of users at your company. You've got 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.520 to support all those people. And if you move them 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.880 over to a brand new, untested operating system, that's not 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.880 going to be an effective use of your time because 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.200 you're gonna be running around like crazy and just just 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.040 rolling it out. We'll take tons of time. Like imagine 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.840 something like a T and T where you've got thousands 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.880 and thousands of employees. You'd have to roll that out 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.040 department or division, probably department at a time, um, because 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.600 you can't. It's just too big a job to do 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.360 all at once. So you really want to make sure 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.720 you're you really want to move to a new operating 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.440 system before you start the process. So businesses said, hey, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.440 there are problems here getting things like printers to work 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.000 or video cards. Maybe we should just wait because XP 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.680 is doing what we need it to do, um, and 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.120 we don't need the headaches that Vista might might create 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.880 for us, So let's skip this one. This was a huge, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.960 huge problem for Microsoft and uh, I mean, you know, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.000 if you even paid attention at all to the tech news. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.200 You had heard someone complain about Vista and how Microsoft 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.400 needed to do something too sweet to fix it. Yeah, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:24.199 and uh, unfortunately they didn't do anything too sweet, although 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.680 they did do something. Yeah, they released some service packs 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.520 which addressed many of the problems that Vista had. In fact, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.160 by the by the final service pack of most of 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.160 the big problems were taken care of, and many of 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.640 the smaller ones too, to the point where if you 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.040 were to, uh to give Vista a try, and you 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.600 didn't know that it was Vista, you might think it's 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.080 a really cool operating system. Microsoft had a whole ad 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.160 campaign based off that, where like, hey, guess what it 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.960 really is. This operating system you thought you were using 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.199 is actually Vista. You know, it's like those old coffee commercials. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.280 Let's replace this operating system with Thista and see if 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.360 he notices. And the idea here was to show that, hey, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.959 this is really not that bad. The problem is, the 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.760 damage was already done. Uh, it already gained this reputation 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.319 and nobody really wanted to get back into the Vista game. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.200 Plus again, it's still very resource heavy, so even with 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.720 the problems being fixed, there were still issues with just 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.920 the fact that it's gonna consume a lot of your 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.320 your computer's processing power. So that meant that Microsoft only 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.480 had really one option, which was to come up with 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.520 a new operating system, which they were already doing because 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.959 they had rolled out Vista, right, so they were already 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.200 hard at work on the next version of the Windows 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.320 operating However, you know, look at the time frame here. Okay, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.960 so so FP we're talking two one, Vista we're talking 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.760 two thousand six, two thousand seven, and these seven we're 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:54.800 talking two thousand So that's pretty quick turnaround. So the 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.480 message that might send is that Microsoft is saying, hey, uh, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.400 we kind of screwed up and we want to regain 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.720 your trust. So we've built this really killer operating system 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.800 that is so much better than everything you've ever seen before. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.560 Please do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.480 which would be Vista. Um. And some people are even 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:19.240 calling Windows seven really what Vista should have been all along. UM. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.079 I have to admit for my own personal use, UM, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.959 I don't have a copy of Vista that I normally use. Uh. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.640 The computer that I have here at how stuff works 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.960 dot Com is running XP um. Although some of us 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.600 here in the office do have Vista. UM, I am 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.560 not one of them, so I haven't really spent a 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.560 lot of time on it, mostly on other people's machines. UM. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.120 I didn't really have that many problems with it. But again, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.319 I wasn't spending hours upon hours, and I wasn't trying 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:51.080 to print or you know, use external hardware. UM. But 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.080 having the opportunity to use Windows seven, you know, I 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.319 gotta say I like it. Yeah, it's pretty, and it's 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.560 fast and it's fast. Yeah. I also have not used 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.480 Windows Vista very much. My machines at home are either 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.679 Max or they run which might surprise some of you, um, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.120 or they run Windows XP. And uh my computer here 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.120 at work runs Windows XP because the tech writers shouldn't 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:21.120 have to deal with the latest operating systems apparently, I mean, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.599 my boss listens to this. I mean I love Windows XP. Actually, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.520 you know, considering some of the problems I've heard about 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.199 Windows Vista, you're you heard about the the iTunes issue, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.760 right then if you have iTunes on Windows Vista. Yeah, 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.040 one of the problems that you had with some people 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.319 had with Windows Vista was, um, they would try and 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.760 use iTunes, and then when they would try and pick 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:46.920 the the safely remove hardware feature to to remove their iPod, Um, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.480 it would corrupt the files on the iPod. You'd have 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.080 to reset the iPod. Yeah, that's a small issue. If 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.520 you have five thousand songs on your iPod like I do, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.800 it's that's a big issue. It takes hours to fix that. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:05.240 So um, but moving on to Yeah, I've also tried 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.120 Windows seven a bit and I agree. I I think 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.000 it's pretty snazzy. Um. I'd just like to point out, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.800 mostly because it's a non sequitor, so before we get 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.000 in deeply into two Windows seven, every operating system has 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.199 these weird little things. I mean, it's it's not just 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.600 Microsoft Windows. You know, mac os has had these problems 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.439 from time to time, and I'm sure Lenox I've I've 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.240 used one to a little bit. Um, you know, every 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.280 time it comes out with a new operating system. My 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.040 advice is this, don't I mean, unless you're just a 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.960 hardcore geek who has to have it. Um, you know, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.760 don't jump on the very first release because you're asking 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.280 for trouble. There's gonna be something that doesn't work with it, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.959 and it doesn't matter who the manufacturer or non manufacturer. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.160 In the case of lennox Um, every time you come 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.040 out with the a new release, I advise that you 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:59.160 wait till the dot one. Which Windows version was it 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.440 that had uh that used the Rolling Stones start Me 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:08.520 Up as its theme song? Was that? I thought it was. Yeah, 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.599 it's been a long time. I just I remember that 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.520 whenever someone someone said that, Someone told me that that 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.360 song is so apt because the next line is you'll 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.800 make a grown man cry, which is exactly what you 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.160 will do if you try to install this operating system 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.240 on your computer. And it was the same thing. It 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.960 was that the early build was a little buggy, and uh, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.360 they hadn't worked everything out, and you know, some things 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.960 you just you can't predict until it hits the market 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.320 and people start using it, and that's when you start 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.720 seeing where oh, you know what, we never even when 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.240 we when we did quality assurance testing, we never even 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.560 put it through that kind of test because, I mean, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.320 the variables are huge, right, You can't plan for everything. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.960 Everybody's got a different cocktail of software in their individual machine, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.560 and you never know what combination of things is going 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.400 to hang it up exactly. So uh, you know, it's 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.520 always a little better to wait and back up your 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.240 machine before you install the new operatings. So important we 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.360 to say that all the time. But yeah, but yeah, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.640 but it's true. It is true. And it's just that 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:07.280 Vista I think came out with less Uh. It just 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.760 it just had more problems than the average, so that 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.200 was a little Yeah, it's a little underdone. But but 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.320 there are people who want Windows seven out the door 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.760 before the beta testing phases even over. They're they're happy, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.600 they're so happy with it with the beta that they 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.760 wanted out, and I think that they would have learned 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.840 a lesson. Microsoft is saying it'll be out when it's ready. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.480 They have not as of this recording, announced a launch 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.760 date to my knowledge, um, and they're sort of hinting 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.560 that it may be before the end of two thousand nine, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.720 but you haven't anything said in December two thousand nine. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.440 January two thou ten is what I've heard. But that's 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.560 just you know, that's not an official launch date. And 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.720 I think that's a smart decision on their part, because 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.200 one they're they've built up a lot of ex excitement 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.160 from the people who are using the beta who say, wow, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.080 this is so much. This is what Vista should have been. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.760 And second of all, that does give them the opportunity 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.160 to work out any bugs that they've found before or 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.480 it hits market and then people are like, wow, at 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.840 first I thought it was cool, and then I tried 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.240 to do this and everything went to hell in a 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.920 handbasket or whatever. UM. In fact, and and Microsoft cut 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.040 burned so badly that it's gonna There are a lot 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.640 of people who are taking Plette's advice about waiting before 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:23.480 adapting adopting rather this operating system. UM. I read uh 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.520 that a survey conducted by UM by Information Week that 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.000 U of companies that they surveyed said they would delay 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.880 adopting Windows seven until two thousand eleven at the earliest. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.720 That's funny because a survey I read from Dimension Research 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.280 Permensions putting it off. Wow, that one percent. You know, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.160 there's probably some guy who changed his mind. Oh wait, wait, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.040 wait wait wait wait, that's I guess that's assuming that 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.120 they surveyed the exact same people, and that's probably not likely. UM. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.800 Just as a point of curiosity, if you're wondering what 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.640 they would do if they weren't going to change. UM, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.640 twenty seven percent of them would consider using mac os instead, 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.199 And you'd say, well, that's that's pretty significant. That's more 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.600 than in core. That's actually down from the previous year. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.560 Most people. The only group that are only operating system 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.560 increased in that survey was blunt to other flavors of 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:23.399 lennox Um, including red Hat all dropped. But you know, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.760 so there it's possible. If if Microsoft doesn't pull off 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.960 a home run with Windows seven, you know, they're opening 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.800 the door for other operating systems to move in there. Interesting, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.280 and we should also point out today, the day we're 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:41.720 recording this podcast, is an historic day, two thousand nine, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.760 the final day that Microsoft will provide support or Windows XP. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.200 I don't believe it. No, I don't either, but that's 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.280 supposedly this is this is the day. So if you 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.720 aren't hearing this podcast is because the world ended, or 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.719 you know, possibly I r S reclaimed all of your 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.480 stuff because you didn't get your text is on time tomorrow, um. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.720 But anyway. The other the other thing that's kind of 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.760 interesting about it, and everybody's making a big deal about 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.760 it in the in the articles that I've read, is 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.000 that Windows seven comes with an option to downgrade your 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.920 machine to XP uh not to Vista, mind, you to 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.199 xp gepping an entire operating system. So if you if 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.080 you're not happy with it, you can you can back 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.200 it up. But it's not really that big a deal. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.880 They've offered that to uh to Vista users too. Yeah, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.440 and it's well demand it. Well you know. That became 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.880 actually a point of contention at one point. Let's let's 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.879 talk about a couple of things about Windows seven. I 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.080 was gonna say, let's let's you know, rather than talking 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.880 about what might go wrong. Yeah, let's let's talk. It's 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.280 got some neat features. It's got some really understand before 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.520 I get into the features though, Okay, okay, there's one 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.199 other little thing I want to talk about. That is 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:53.160 the versions. There six There are six versions of Windows seven, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.800 although you won't have all of those. You'll only encounter 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.040 a few of those. There's Windows seven Starter, which is 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.440 kind of I think that's for like netbooks, right, Yeah, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.680 it's uh. I saw listed for emerging markets, so I 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.880 saw that for Home Basic. Uh, the Home Basic package 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.400 was for emerging markets. But started they're really scaled now Yeah, 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.200 Starter only allows up to three applications to run uh 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.960 concurrently and you can't run high definition monitors with it, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.560 so so I think it'll pop up a message in 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.920 fact to say, hey, you know, if you really want 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.680 the seven experiences, you might want to upgrade your operating 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.479 nice nice, busting out the accent. So then you have 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.800 So you've got Starter, Home, Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.120 and Ultimate And um, I hate that they call it Ultimate. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.959 That is just because everyone's gonna sit there and say, oh, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.479 I gotta have Ultimate. If I don't have Ultimate, I'm 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.439 missing out. And really Ultimate has some cool features, but 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.240 not not what the average consumer needs. Well from what 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.520 I read, it's going to be limited availability anyway, that's good. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.359 Um that and it shows you know, fling a flying 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.119 disc at you right. So home premiums what most of 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.120 us will will encounter and need for our home computers. UM, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.920 Professional would be what small businesses use, an enterprise would 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.080 be business is used. So that's that's the versions. Um. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.280 That was one of the things that also got some 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.560 criticism from you know, uh folks. You know, Windows Vista 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.919 had the same thing where they had multiple versions and 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.480 that that drew a lot of criticism. So unfortunately that 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.480 has not changed and I assumed that you know, Microsoft's 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.320 already fielding criticisms based on that. But let's go onto 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:40.679 the features go for it. Um, multi touch yea, you 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.040 have to have a monitor that also, I was getting that. Okay, okay, 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:51.119 I'll be quiet. Unlike Apple, which is uh incorporating the 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.120 touch system into its computers through like the track pad 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.520 on your on your laptop, you know, basically you have 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.600 touch screen or know touch sensitivity, you would move your 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.680 your finger on the mouse pad. Well, multi touches using 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.760 more than one finger like um, if you have used 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.439 an iPod touch or an iPhone, you can squeeze your 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.760 fingers together, move them together to make things smaller, or 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.400 if you want to magnify things, you move your fingers apart. Well, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.200 that's sort of what Windows seven incorporates, except you can 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.080 do it on a touch sensitive monitor. Um. And that's 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.520 not how Apples doing things. So they're they're moving there' 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.639 zagging unless the unless Apple actually is going to offer 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.680 that tablet that we've heard rumors about, I don't think 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.960 that's going to happen anytime soon. Well, you know, but 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.000 you know this is this is a pretty neat It 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:46.800 shows you how much Microsoft thinks touch uh touch functionality 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.240