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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot Com. Hi there, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polette and

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Speaker 1: I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot com

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Speaker 1: with me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland as

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Speaker 1: along the likum okay because in height wow Okay, So

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Speaker 1: hi guys, um, you know what time it is already?

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Speaker 1: What time is it? Listener mail time? Oh? Man? They

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Speaker 1: love it when I throw those in at the very

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Speaker 1: beginning of the show. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is

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Speaker 1: one of those shows where we actually respond to a

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Speaker 1: So if it doesn't go well, we can blame the listener.

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Speaker 1: This mail comes from Stephen and Steven says, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: guess what it's time for listener mail. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: do it again. With Windows seven being rushed out of

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Speaker 1: love the podcast, Stephen. Well, Stephen, I'm glad you asked

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Speaker 1: this question. We actually do have a beta copy of

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Speaker 1: Electronics Show the two thousand nine one just this past year. Um,

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Speaker 1: So well, first of all, let's go way back, way

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Speaker 1: But after a while, the operating system begins to show

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Speaker 1: And they were actually in development for this new operating

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