1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: And we're back. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, show 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: number two of the day. Paul KLBC joins me, and 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: then there were five, though it's really four, four healthy 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: and available quarterbacks on the roster. Let's do this again. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode six sixty seven, and it 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: starts now. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Budda Baker, What Heart? 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: What rent? 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcasts. He's a ten half of five. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: He's it again, So more Harry Magic. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grioloud. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Probably should have figured something was going to happen. Just 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: a few hours ago myself and Darren Urban taped episode 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: six sixty six. Whoa, So that's never good. 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: Wow. 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: So Darren, as they say, Paul is off on assignments, 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: meaning he's busy working on the news of the day. 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: So we made a call to the bullpen and summoned 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: into our right hander Paul calvec still with the mustache. 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: It traveled with you from Minnesota, so welcome. 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: First off, I'm throwing salt over my shoulder and anything 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: else I need to do to ward off any evil 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: spirits here and beyond. Was not informed of the connection 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: to six sixty six before I was invited into studio 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: and the red light was on. I'm now having second 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: thoughts about my appearance, sort of like I should have 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: had second thoughts about the mustache weeks ago. 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Another six there are or there there were six quarterbacks 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: on the roster. Now there's five with the news that 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Colt McCoy has been released, And let's just start there, Paul, 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: because you can say what you want about Colts as 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: far as not looking great in practice, but he has 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: been QB one since the start of the off season, 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: since the start of training camp, since the start a preseason, 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you come in on 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Monday and he's been informed yet we're not going to need. 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: You this year. 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: Was he QB one, though by default, was he QB 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: one because your franchise quarterback has been unavailable on pop Obviously, 44 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray was he QB one because you could not 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: swing a deal for a quarterback you had interest in 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: in the off season, according to the GM on the 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: telecast with Passion Wolf MANIASIP were talking, of course about 48 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs, who they tried to obtain earlier in the 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: off season. So Colt McCoy was holding the spot until 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: he proved he was incapable. And you know what, you 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: got a regular season read in Minnesota, Craig, I truly 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: believe that those two joint practices were actually much more 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: regular season football than you would see in the preseason. 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: As Brian Flores was dialing up a lot of different schemes, 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: he was ultra aggressive, and he had his ones out there. 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: Byron Murphy was bawling, yeah, Daniil Hunter out there. Look, 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: you had legit NFL starters on that field testing Cole McCoy. So, 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: just like I said in Minnesota, just like I said 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 3: on game day, Cole McCoy has not slammed the door 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: shut on the QB competition. And I firmly believe going 61 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: into the game it was still open and Clayton Tune 62 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: still had a chance to win the job out right. 63 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: And then, of course, forty eight hours later we get 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 3: this declaration. 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Hey, coach Jonathan Gannon meeting the media on Monday afternoon, 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: talked about the full body of work and that includes production, 67 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: and I just don't think the production was there, especially 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: now knowing and it was confirmed on Monday that Kyler 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Murray is not going to be available at the start 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: of the season. Now, he hasn't officially been placed on 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: the physically unable to perform list to begin the season, 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: but that is a mere formality, meaning he is going 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: to miss at least the first four games. The earliest 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: he can practice even get on the field pall is 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: the Monday after Game four, so that is October seconds 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: after the Cardinals visit the forty nine ers. All right, 77 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: so that's the first time you can practice. He is 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: not going to be playing week five. That's just unheard of. 79 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: My guess is that we're not gonna see Kyler until 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: maybe week seven or week eight. So you now have 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: a third of the season and if you're not comfortable 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: with McCoy to carry you through those first seven eight games, 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: then yeah. Josh Dobbs was acquired on Thursday, and now 84 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: it becomes a question of all right, is it Dobbs, 85 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: is it Clayton Tune, is it David Blough. There's still 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Driscoll on the roster, but we haven't seen him 87 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: in a long long time because of an undisclosed injury. 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: So basically, you've got three healthy and available quarterbacks if 89 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: they so choose to keep three on the fifty three 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: man roster, and we will kind of wait and see 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: what they do with that starting quarterback. 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: And according to Jonathan Gannon a Monday, he didn't seem 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: all that inclined to keep three quarterbacks. He seemed to indicate, 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: guess what, it's musical chairs and there's gonna be a 95 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: quarterback standing one o'clock on Tuesday. So I'm guessing you're 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: not cutting Clayton Tune and you're not cutting Josh Dobbs. 97 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: You just gave him a fifth round pick for him, 98 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: So David Blou, maybe not likely. And as for Kyler, 99 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: what do we talk about throughout the off season. I 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: always threw out, just my gut feeling was if you 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: got him back before Halloween, that's a win. It's not 102 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: just the ASL, it's the meniscus. And if he would 103 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: have been tracking for Week one, for example, or at 104 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: least to come off the pop before the regular season started, 105 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: I'm guessing we would have heard rumors, reports, murmurs. We 106 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: would have seen him running around when the media was around, 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: like zach Ertz did zach Ertz before training camp practice 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: for all to see the press box. Wow, he looks good. 109 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: He's running full out, he's cutting routes on air, buddy though. 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: He's looking really smooth zach Ertz. And sure enough, less 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: than a week later, boom, he's activated. None of that 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: has happened to our knowledge with Kyler Murray yet, so 113 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: it's not a surprise. It's not a shock. As for 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: where this is tracking week one, it's no surprise that 115 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: they went out and I think they got a quarterback 116 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: a who knows the system, because otherwise it would just 117 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: be too big a hole to dig out on this 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: sort of two week timeframe to get ramped up for 119 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: a regular season game. But b has that mobility, has 120 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: that escapability that a cold McCoy does not, especially now 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: at nearly age thirty seven. We saw that, especially in 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: the Wednesday practice when the O line struggled at times 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: when there were plenty of vikings in the backfield, when 124 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: there were a lot of pre snap penalties, and it 125 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: really did impact to Cole McCoy. Now, on that Thursday, 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: the entire team was better, but the defensive schemes were 127 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: just as aggressive, and there was a lack of a 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: down field passing attack. And it was here, here's what 129 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: was marketing its contrasts, Craig is on that field on Thursday, 130 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: is when Colt McCoy and that that squad would go 131 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: three and out or fail to advance the ball downfield 132 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: at least get a downfield passing attack going. Clayton Tune 133 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: would come in and he would make a completion, a 134 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: chunk throw. He would find a man open beyond the 135 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: linebackers in front of the safeties. So you can't tell 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: me that the GM wasn't watching all that. And no 137 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: less than three or four hours after that second practice wrapped, 138 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: they had a brand new quarterback. They swung a deal 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: for Josh Dobbs. So, okay, what does that mean? Now 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: to Clayton Tune's advantage, he saw three defensive game plans 141 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: in the preseason that you typically would only see in 142 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: the regular season. Vance Joseph blitzedom, Steve Spagnolo blitzed him, 143 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: and then Brian Flores most definitely blitzed him. And that 144 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: obviously was a minus when here's the safety blitz from 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: the right and you're looking left in the strip sack 146 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: and you fumble the ball away at the five. But 147 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: I think that's invaluable for a Clayton Tune is he 148 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: got a lot of regular season reps in the preseason 149 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: because the defensive coordinators were so ultra aggressive. 150 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Long term, I think you're exactly correct. This is going 151 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: to or that, I should say, benefit Tune, but not 152 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: week one. Clayton tuned to me is not ready. And 153 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: this is even before all of the news of the 154 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: last twenty four forty eight hours, even going back to 155 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: the acquisition of Josh Dobbs, I never thought Tune would 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: be ready. Sure you could throw him out there, but 157 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: you could also lose him. And depending on what happens 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Week one, Washington, then the Giants, then the Cowboys, you 159 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: could lose a young quarterback before his career even begins. 160 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: And are you ready to risk that based off what 161 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: you have seen so far and what you put value 162 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: in that position as far as what Clayton Tune can 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: do with his arm and his legs, because the mobility 164 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: factor is what Gannon touched on Monday when asked about 165 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs. Someone who can quote play in the pocket 166 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: and play outside of the pocket. So that's what we're 167 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: looking for end quote. And this idea now that Josh 168 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: Dobbs comes in and becomes your week one starter, not 169 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: all that far fetched. Last year, signed by the Tennessee 170 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Titans on December twenty first, eight days later, Paul Dobbs 171 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: was starting week seventeen and then again week eighteen. 172 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: It's a great point. He's been there and done that. 173 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: He's been there and done what the Cardinals are potentially 174 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: asking him to do about six months ago. So he 175 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: has a track record of coming in and being the 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: guy on short notice. It was his first two starts 177 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: of his seven year career yep, the end of last season, 178 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: so he has experienced, but he doesn't have Cole McCoy experience. 179 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: At the same time, I agree with you when it 180 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: comes to the rookie, especially on the road against that 181 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: defensive line first round picks. Are you kidding me? Between 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: Jonathan Allen, Deron Payne Montes Sweat and Chase Young. So 183 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: I agree with you that it's Josh Dobbs' job to 184 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: lose right now if he can come out and he 185 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 3: can master the system and he doesn't have to master 186 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: the whole playbook. Let's not get that twisted. Once you 187 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: get to the regular season, they're only taking out a 188 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: chapter or two from the entire playbook. Whatever we need 189 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: to beat you that week, whatever's in the game plan 190 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: that week, which is a fraction of what they've installed 191 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: to date. So I he has come in and be 192 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: the master of that small portion of the playbook, and 193 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 3: that his comprehension of this system is not a liability 194 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: once the lights go on, then I do think they're 195 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: heavily leaning towards Josh Dobbs for that reason. At the 196 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: same time, let me say this is Paris Johnson Junior 197 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: ready for Chase Young, Is Key Tarl Clark ready for 198 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin. Is Michael Wilson ready for an NFL secondary? 199 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: We don't know? Are we worried about their confidence level? 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: Knowing Jonathan Gannon, I could see him easily applying this 201 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: same logic to the fifth round rookie Clayton. 202 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Tune difference is the position that Tune plays versus those 203 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: rookies that you just named, Because quarterback is a position 204 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: unlike any other in football and professional sports. There is 205 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: so much on your plate and nothing against anyone else. 206 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: But as DJ Humphries likes to say, on the left 207 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: side of the offensive line, I blocked the edge. I 208 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: blocked that guy, so Paris Johnson Junior. That's what you're 209 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: supposed to do it, right, Tackle Michael Wilson, you go 210 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: run your route, catch the ball. Block when we ask 211 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: you to block keyth Troll Clark, you go cover that 212 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: guy cat coverage. As Bruce arians like to say, you 213 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: got that guy. So yes, I totally get it, and 214 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: I understand it's just there. The ball is in your 215 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: hands every single play, Paul, and I just haven't seen 216 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: enough out of the rookie to say, all right, let's 217 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: roll the dice, especially to everyone else in that locker room, 218 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: because depending forget what the rest of the fan base 219 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: is thinking about this season, and many have all eyes 220 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: on twenty twenty four. Because I've already heard you on 221 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: Cardinal Talk already in the preseason. 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: No, but there are fifty. 223 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: Two players in that locker room, fifty three if you 224 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: count everybody plus practice squad guys. They don't care about 225 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. They care about this season. 226 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: Look, the worst case scenario is you end up Sam Darnold. 227 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: I'm seeing ghosts. But let's not forget Hall of Famer 228 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, when three and thirteen is a rookie and 229 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: set an NFL rookie record for interceptions. The rest of 230 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: his career was fine. Troigman went one in fifteen as 231 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: a rookie. He got humbled, he got humbled, and he's 232 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. So only the coaches truly 233 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: know how mentally tough Clayton Tune is, how prepared he 234 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: is for what might be coming week one, month one 235 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: of this season. There's going to be there will be mistakes, 236 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: there will be blood, There's no doubt about it. 237 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: You're a rookie. 238 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 3: But do we not see him respond to that stripsack 239 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: fumble at his own five. Did he not step right 240 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: up that next series and launch what a twenty six 241 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: yard dart to Greg Dortch. We've seen that in practice 242 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: as well. Yes, he's made rookie mistakes and rookie reads, 243 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: and he's gone to the wrong place with the ball, 244 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: and then he's got right back out there and he's 245 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: proved that, you know what he's able to learn from 246 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: those mistakes. So if you don't play him, now, when 247 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,119 Speaker 3: do you play him? Because at some point every quarterback 248 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: needs that experience on the job. There's nothing like real time, 249 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: regular season reps. So once again, I get back to it, 250 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: if it's close between a rookie and a veteran, then 251 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: they go with the guy who has the future, and 252 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: that future is now, And that might be the logic 253 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: applied to a Clayton Tune. It all comes back to 254 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: what Josh Dobbs does on the practice field, because honestly, 255 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: I think that based on the two practices in Minnesota, 256 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: that this coaching staff couldn't legitimately look at this roster 257 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: and say that coltmus Cooy was still a better option 258 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: than Clayton Tune. And with that in mind, you have 259 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: two weeks now for Josh Dobbs to establish that he's 260 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: a better option than Clayton Tune. Because really, the only 261 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: entity that the head coach and GM have an answer 262 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: to is their own locker room. Guys know who can play, 263 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: who should play, and they're just as curious as everyone 264 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: else to see if that's what it comes down to, 265 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: or there are other external factors of work that put 266 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: a guy out on the field. 267 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Look, Kyler Murray did it in twenty nineteen. You've got 268 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: three rookie quarterbacks so far this season scheduled to make 269 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: their season debut Week one, Bryce Young, C. J. Stroud, 270 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. So again it's not unheard of. Yet Again, 271 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: I'll go back to the two examples that you gave, 272 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman first round draft pick and 273 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: Bryce Young, S. J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson versus fifth round 274 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: draft pick. There's a reason you can get your name 275 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: called on Day three versus Day one, plus the quality 276 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: of competition you faced in college. So but to your point, now, 277 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: it's a two week race amongst three quarterbacks or maybe 278 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: just two depending on how many you keep past Tuesday 279 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: to figure out who steps on that field Week one 280 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: at Washington. 281 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: And remember Clayton Tuon started over five different seasons at 282 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: Houston at forty four career starts. If brock Purty would 283 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: have played Week one versus November December, what do you 284 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: have been any less of a quarterback? How do we 285 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: know that brock Purty would it have killed it all season? 286 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: If he would have been the starter Week one? We 287 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: don't know. My gut feeling is yeah, he did benefit 288 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: from watching on the sideline, no question about it. Oh boy, 289 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: here's what regular season football is all about. And then okay, 290 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna run the scout team in practice against the 291 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: Niners first team defense, and that's invaluable, obviously one of 292 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: the best defenses in the game. And I'm sure that 293 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: prepared brock party. But who's to say that he wouldn't 294 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: have been stellar from week one instead of week eleven 295 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: or whenever he took over a year ago. With that 296 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: in mind, Clayton Tune, I think still has a chance 297 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: to be that guy at Washington. There are certain aspects 298 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: of his game that bode well on game day against that. 299 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: Not only that defensive front, but week two you get 300 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: the Giants and Dexter Lawrence. Week three you get Dallas' 301 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: defensive front one of the top five terms of getting 302 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: to the quarterback Micah Parsons hello. And then week four 303 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: you got the forty nine Ers. Enough set that front 304 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: seven best in football, especially now that they added Javon Hargrave, 305 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: presuming they get Nick Bosa back, so you need someone 306 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: with mobility. The moment they traded for Josh Dobbs. I 307 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: think that was a big reason why. And then number two, 308 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: once you get give up a fifth round pick and 309 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: he's a veteran quarterback, you're not just trading for depth 310 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 3: in this situation, you are trading to play. And one 311 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: of those two guys we now know for sure is 312 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: going to be the starter week one. 313 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: I think the best example for Clayton Tune to pay 314 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: attention to is the guy that the Cardinals will see 315 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: week one with the Washington Commanders, and that's Sam Holt, 316 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: former fifth round pick, started late his rookie year now 317 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: is going to start Week one for Washington. Question is, again, 318 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: who do the Cardinals start. We're not going to know 319 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: until that Sunday because, in the words of head coach 320 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: Jonathan gannon quote, I think it's a competitive advantage for 321 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: us going to Washington. But we'll know who the starter 322 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: is end quote. Paul, You and I just won't know. 323 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: The coaches will know, the players will know, but there 324 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: will not be a public announcement week one starter Arizona Cardinals. 325 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: Ultimate gainsmanship right out of the gate by the rookie 326 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: head coach, and there's gonna be a lot of noise 327 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 3: there's already a lot of noise instant reaction to that strategy. 328 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: But from what we've seen, they have thick enough skin 329 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: between Jonathan Gannon and Maniasiford, they do not shy away 330 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: from the tough decision. We've seen a number of them. 331 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: You saw three trades in one day. You saw the 332 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 3: departure of Isaiah Simmons for a seventh round pick. We 333 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 3: saw DeAndre Hopkins in the off season. So they're not 334 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: gonna hesitate to make the tough decision, and that is 335 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: what they're ultimately proving, I think, to this roster and 336 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: to the culture, it's one thing to say, it's another 337 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: thing to prove it that unless you are the answer 338 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 3: or part of the answer going forward, they're gonna look elsewhere. 339 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's what that's the message they've served 340 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: up to everyone who's listening. 341 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: And who knows how many more messages will be sent 342 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: between now and one pm on Tuesday. Dare I say 343 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, when you can start claiming players and be 344 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: awarded claiming players, and all of a sudden, you're making 345 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: more oster moves because whoever you claim, that opens up 346 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: the roster spot that you have to well you have 347 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to open up rosterus. So now all of a sudden, 348 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: you're releasing more players. So we're not gonna know a 349 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: lot about this quote unquote official fifty three man roster 350 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: until maybe next week. 351 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: And look at I mean look at some of the areas, right, 352 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean cornerback. What's Christian Matthews status. We went into 353 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: that final preseason game. If he balls out here, he 354 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: could start. If he doesn't and he follows up another 355 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: performance like he had against Kansas City, he could be cut, 356 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: depending what becomes available via waivers. Right safety, no Isaiah Simmons. 357 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: So if you like Jalen Thompson in the slot, he 358 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: needs your best nickel corner, Then what do you do 359 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: when you're going nickel or dime? Who else is out there? 360 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 3: With Buddha Baker tight end? Is there going to be four? 361 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: Did Noah tangi I with those four catches do enough 362 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 3: to warrant at a fourth tight end who becomes available 363 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: via waivers? RB three Love the Game by Corey Klement 364 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 3: of in Minnesota. No doubt about it. I think he's 365 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 3: proven he's reliable. He was good in a pinch last 366 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: year at times in the regular season, but James Robinson 367 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 3: is out there released, There's sure to be another one 368 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: offensive line now, John Gains Dennis Daly went down with injuries. 369 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: Their status as of this recording unknown. You already needed 370 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 3: to figure out seven through nine in that offensive line room. 371 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 3: What does that mean now? D line beyond Lecky Ledbetter 372 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: and LJ. Collier. Hello, that's fifty two card pickup right 373 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: land opportunity, even the final wide receiver spot, the last 374 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 3: two outside linebacker spots, and then I had that inside 375 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: linebacker room. One spot between Zeke Turner, Owen Papo and 376 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: Kyle Soley. Who's that going to There's a lot to 377 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: learn when the final fifty three is released. 378 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating in the next twenty four forty 379 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: eight hours for the Cardinals to figure out who they 380 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: will put on this twenty twenty three Arizona Cardinals fifty 381 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: three man roster. And you don't forget sixteen man practice 382 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: squad as well. That could certainly see some players elevated 383 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: to the active roster during the course of the season. 384 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: So Paul, I appreciate you coming in on short notice. 385 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: It is a busy day here around and it's going 386 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: to be probably even busier as we get closer and 387 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: closer towards Labor Day. 388 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: And you know what, it won't be the only shocker. 389 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: I said in July, I fell in with Wolf Over 390 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: on his radio show and I said, up, there's gonna 391 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: be some shockers that come out of Cardinals camp. And 392 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: of course everybody, all the haters on Twitter, ah name 393 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: some names. Calvic wats well, we just sort of speculated 394 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: that there would be some headlines out of this one. 395 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: And Isaiah Simmons and Colet McCoy, those are two big 396 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: ones that I don't know if anybody actually foresaw that 397 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: by the end of camp. Just know there will be 398 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: change and it's happening in real time right in front 399 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: of us. 400 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: How many more headlines ahead for the Arizona Cardinals. That 401 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: is what we will wait for. 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