Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Dave Pash, Arizona Cardinals and ESPN play by
Speaker 1: play announcer. Through twelve games, the best team in the
Speaker 1: NFL is the Arizona Cardinals at ten and two. So
Speaker 1: why not talk to somebody that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and nothing to do with football to
Speaker 1: get his perspective or at least try to get his
Speaker 1: perspective on what's going on with the Cardinals and the
Speaker 1: NFL in twenty twenty one. My guest today is Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Bill Walton, seventeen shift left. I've worked with
Speaker 1: Bill at ESPN for over fifteen years. My first time
Speaker 1: working with Bill was in two thousand and six on
Speaker 1: the NBA. I was just happy as a young guy
Speaker 1: to be doing national NBA broadcast. Bill being one of
Speaker 1: the greatest college basketball players of all time and one
Speaker 1: of the top fifty NBA players of all time and
Speaker 1: a legendary broadcaster who had done many NBA finals. I
Speaker 1: was just happy to be there. So we're doing a
Speaker 1: game in Chicago. Lebron James is playing for the Cavaliers.
Speaker 1: Lebron takes his head band off, throws it towards the
Speaker 1: stands and Bill starts to yell on the air that
Speaker 1: that's a technical foul. And he goes off for about
Speaker 1: two minutes, and I don't stop him. I let him
Speaker 1: go because I'm afraid. I'm like, should I step in?
Speaker 1: And it's Bill Walton, I'm doing an NBA game, happy
Speaker 1: just to be here. I'm just gonna let him go.
Speaker 1: The next day, I get a call from Mike Tarico.
Speaker 1: Mike had been Bill's partner that season, and I had
Speaker 1: filled in on seven or eight games with Bill, and
Speaker 1: Mike said a handful of words to me that stuck
Speaker 1: with me and played a big part in what would
Speaker 1: happen in two and twelve. He said to me, and
Speaker 1: this is again in two thousand and six, two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. You have to stop him. In other words,
Speaker 1: that's your job to cut him off and to redirect
Speaker 1: him back to the game. So five years later, ESPN
Speaker 1: gets the PAC twelve contract, which is a great thing
Speaker 1: because I've been doing Big East, and while I love
Speaker 1: the Big East, I've been traveling East a lot. Now
Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to do games close to home.
Speaker 1: And ESPN was hiring Bill Walton back. He had been
Speaker 1: off the air for a couple of years, So I'm
Speaker 1: reunited with Bill, and those words that Tarico told me
Speaker 1: you have to stop him, they stuck with me. I
Speaker 1: employed those words on the air, and here we are
Speaker 1: ten years later, still working together. And you're probably listening
Speaker 1: to this and you're either or you're not in between.
Speaker 1: Either you absolutely hate the broadcast or you absolutely love him.
Speaker 1: If you hate him, I'm terribly sorry. If you love him,
Speaker 1: thank you. Keep watching. We're back for year number ten
Speaker 1: starting December twenty second, with Kansas against Colorado. As for
Speaker 1: this podcast, I tried, but as you're about to hear,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. I love football. Bill will talk about
Speaker 1: his love of football when it started, and he'll talk
Speaker 1: about his brother, the late Bruce Walden, who played at
Speaker 1: UCLA and then played for the Dallas Cowboys. In fact,
Speaker 1: Bill and Bruce are the only brother tandem to play
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Very few
Speaker 1: people know that. Bill, we'll talk about that. You'll also
Speaker 1: hear a story about Will Chamberlain throwing a football on
Speaker 1: a beach and how far he threw it. Plus Bill
Speaker 1: will get into all the players that he's known over
Speaker 1: the years, and what he plans to do in Boulder
Speaker 1: when we reunite for year ten. Here in a couple
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Speaker 1: we go. Buckle your seat belts. It's mostly Bill, very
Speaker 1: little of me on this edition of the Day Patch podcast.
Speaker 1: So first of all, did you play football at all? Oh? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: here we go. I love football. And here I was
Speaker 1: little Billy with his red hair and his big nose
Speaker 1: and his freckles and his speech impediment. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: in San Diego eight years old, nineteen sixty. I followed
Speaker 1: my older brother Bruce as I did most of my life,
Speaker 1: and here he was going to football practice and we
Speaker 1: had this most remarkable coach. His name was Rocky and
Speaker 1: he was our town's fireman, and he had three children.
Speaker 1: We all went to the same school. And he saw
Speaker 1: a need and that was for athletics and sports and
Speaker 1: group activities in the afternoon. So he volunteered at our
Speaker 1: elementary school in East San Diego at fifty sixth Street
Speaker 1: and Alcohol and Boulevard for fifty nine years of his
Speaker 1: life and he taught us everything and colding football. Ohaha,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati shift left thirty two seventeen. Let's go. Okay, we
Speaker 1: were called on. I got something to stay here. And
Speaker 1: it was absolutely incredible because Bruce, who was so fantastic
Speaker 1: in my life. He played the entire offensive line and
Speaker 1: everybody else was a wide receiver or a running back
Speaker 1: because he was so big and so good. And we'd
Speaker 1: be in the huddle and the quarterback was trying to
Speaker 1: figure something out, and the quarterback would be looking at
Speaker 1: the sideline at Rocky, and Bruce would just lean right
Speaker 1: in the huddle and he would just mumble, follow me,
Speaker 1: and then we'd just give the ball to anybody and
Speaker 1: they would just follow Bruce all the way down. He
Speaker 1: would just knock the entire team off and then I
Speaker 1: had this remarkable experience because the next year, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I won my first championship in any group
Speaker 1: sports situation the very next year, and I was in
Speaker 1: fifth grade, and we won the championship in football, and
Speaker 1: it was played at USD in the current football stadium
Speaker 1: there where the football team plays still and the soccer
Speaker 1: teams play and they have graduation and it's just a
Speaker 1: magnificent facility. And we had access to that field in
Speaker 1: the stadium for the championship, and yes, we won. And
Speaker 1: then shortly thereafter, in nineteen sixty one, the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Chargers of the AFL, owned by Baron Hilton. He decided
Speaker 1: he didn't want to compete with the Rams anymore, and
Speaker 1: so he brought his team to San Diego and they
Speaker 1: chose as their practice facility a public park, Sunset Park,
Speaker 1: which was a half mile three quarters of a mile
Speaker 1: from our family home. And every day I would get
Speaker 1: on my bike and get on my skateboard and ride
Speaker 1: through the canyon, up the hill and through the mountains
Speaker 1: and over the woods and all the stuff to get there.
Speaker 1: And then I would just cling on the fence and
Speaker 1: I would just watch all these incredible legends. The quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were Tobin wrote, John Haydel, and Jack Kimp. The running
Speaker 1: backs were Paul Lowe and Keith Lincoln. The receivers were
Speaker 1: Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison. Ron Mix anchored the offensive line.
Speaker 1: On defense, they had Ernie lad they had Earl Phase On,
Speaker 1: they had shut Allen. Sid Gilman was the coach man.
Speaker 1: And I fell in love on the radio with the
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers of the AFL Man and they had
Speaker 1: a league, Oh my gosh, and the early days with
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Broncos and the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: in the West, and then they had the Jets and
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Buffalo Bills and the Oilers down
Speaker 1: down in the East. And then they added quickly Miami
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati. Ohha, Cincinnati, Saint Paul Schiff, Let's go thirty
Speaker 1: two left. But then it was just absolutely incredible. And
Speaker 1: so every day they would come by the fence, all
Speaker 1: the players as they're coming out of their makeshift locker
Speaker 1: room which was probably just their cars or the public restroom,
Speaker 1: and they would come out and they would come out
Speaker 1: of the weight room, which was basically they had taken
Speaker 1: broom handles, and then they would taken coffee cans and
Speaker 1: poured cements into the coffee cans and then jam the
Speaker 1: broom handles into these coffee cans on both ends, and
Speaker 1: that was their weight training. But these guys were so good,
Speaker 1: and they played their games on the weekends on Sundays
Speaker 1: down in Balboa Stadium, which is at the south end
Speaker 1: of Balboa Park. Imagine that Balboa Stadium at Dowbow apart.
Speaker 1: What a harmonic convergence of the high sch What a coincidence.
Speaker 1: And so I would ride my bike down there and
Speaker 1: I would get into the I never had trouble in
Speaker 1: my life ever getting into things for free. I didn't
Speaker 1: have any money, and so I would get in and
Speaker 1: I would just roam the stadium and just meet everybody.
Speaker 1: Couldn't talk at all, but I was having such a
Speaker 1: fun time in the games were so absolutely fantastic. It
Speaker 1: was just an incredible amount of fun and excitement. And
Speaker 1: all the players they were just so nice to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sid Gilman was the coach, and he'd come
Speaker 1: by and rubbed my little redhead hair, and all the
Speaker 1: other players would come by and say, hey, man, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm eleven years old? And the
Speaker 1: nine ten, and it was just absolutely fantastic. And I
Speaker 1: remember all the different coaches from those early days in
Speaker 1: the AFO, Hankstram or Lou Saban, Al Davis, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Bill Walls, Chuck Noll, John Madden, and it was a
Speaker 1: phenomenal situation for a little young boy to just be
Speaker 1: inspired and I fell in love with football. I was
Speaker 1: a radio guy. We grew up without a television, so
Speaker 1: I had the radio and they had all these remarkable
Speaker 1: voices in my ear. Now, I thought it was just
Speaker 1: me until I was talking to other people and then
Speaker 1: they would say the same thing. But when I had
Speaker 1: Ray Scott, when I had Charlie Jones, and I had
Speaker 1: Kurt Gowdy, ultimately Dick Enberg and Brent Musferder, Jack Buck
Speaker 1: and Hank Strand, Howard Costell and Don Meredith and all
Speaker 1: these Lindsay Nelson and Chris shankl Dick Stocked and Pat Summer,
Speaker 1: all John Madden and Vermonquiz, all these people that over
Speaker 1: the course of my life I got to meet and
Speaker 1: worked with, and it was just such a dream come
Speaker 1: true because their ability to create the scene, to be
Speaker 1: able to paint the picture, the canvas that enabled us
Speaker 1: on the radio to see what was going on to you.
Speaker 1: But most importantly, it was feeling it. And when they
Speaker 1: described the situation when Dan Pastorini for the Houston Oilers,
Speaker 1: a graduate of Santa Clara University, when Dan Pastorini was
Speaker 1: carried off the field four different times in the same game,
Speaker 1: and then he came back after the fourth time and
Speaker 1: won the game, I was just hooked for You know,
Speaker 1: it's much easier. It's much easier for a play by
Speaker 1: play guy to call the game when the analyst isn't talking.
Speaker 1: But you've gone five minutes out. I haven't even asked
Speaker 1: a question yet. I don't I don't need a question. Man, Bruce.
Speaker 1: You brought up Bruce, and not many people realize that
Speaker 1: you were the only brother tandem to play in a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Your brother played for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You're trying to rush me. I wish you
Speaker 1: could get there, all right, go ahead, then go ahead, okay,
Speaker 1: And so now I'm living this. I'm living this AFL dream.
Speaker 1: And then the NFL comes into my life with the
Speaker 1: Packers and the Cowboys from the sixties. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how old you are you a dinosaur?
Speaker 1: I mean, you still like Cole and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But anyway, don't Vince Lombardi on the sideline for the
Speaker 1: Packers and the history of the NFL, John the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Ultimately you get Tom Landry with his administrative team of
Speaker 1: Tech Shram and Gill Brandt, all these guys that I
Speaker 1: came to know over the course of my life. But
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the Packers, with Jerry Kramer
Speaker 1: and Bart Starr and Bart Paul Horning and Max McGee
Speaker 1: and Ray Nichki, oh my gosh, Jim Taylor, Herb Ratterie,
Speaker 1: Willie Davis, Forrest, Greg Henry, Jordan, Willie Wood, all these players,
Speaker 1: and I got to meet them all over the course
Speaker 1: of my life and to see how they played, the
Speaker 1: performance levels of their of their championship style, the culture
Speaker 1: that Lombardi had had created there, and all the different
Speaker 1: things that were going on. And by this time now
Speaker 1: I'm sort of moving towards high school. And now in
Speaker 1: high school, my coach Rocky he said, now, Billy, when
Speaker 1: you get to high school, enough of this football stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's try some other sports. And so how tall are
Speaker 1: you at this point? Oh, I'm probably probably about six
Speaker 1: to five, I don't know now I was as a
Speaker 1: freshman in high school. I was five to eleven when
Speaker 1: I started, and then quickly I grew afoot yeah, in
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. And it was just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: So I get to this really terrific high school, Helix
Speaker 1: High School. Bruce is a star on the team, and
Speaker 1: we're in the Grossmont League. And every year at the
Speaker 1: start of the season San Diego State, which is just
Speaker 1: one mile from our family home, they would have in
Speaker 1: their football stadium on campus, which was called Aztec Bowl,
Speaker 1: which is now called the Vajas Arena, the Basketball Temple
Speaker 1: and Mecca, absolutely beautiful, beautiful basketball arena. But they played
Speaker 1: football in that ravine, in that canyon, and at the
Speaker 1: start of every season, all eight teams would show up
Speaker 1: at Aztec Bowl at the gross Mont League would show up.
Speaker 1: They're all eight teams, all eight bands, the Charitaders from
Speaker 1: all eight teams, and they would have a draw and
Speaker 1: everybody would play one quarter against another team. And it
Speaker 1: was just the most incredible and fantastic event. And we
Speaker 1: would go and have so much fun all the time.
Speaker 1: But while we were there, we start learning about the
Speaker 1: San Diego State as Tech football team, which is now
Speaker 1: being coached by Don Corriel, one of the absolute geniuses
Speaker 1: and legends, and he has coaches on his staff like
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs Al Davis, and he has got players like
Speaker 1: Hay Even. It was just Gary Garrison, Fred Dryer and
Speaker 1: one of the guys from the Gross Moot League, Brian Sipe,
Speaker 1: and so it's just an absolutely spectacular moment. And shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen is coming up right through the ranks of
Speaker 1: East San Diego and I got to see him play
Speaker 1: in high school football, and it was just such a
Speaker 1: spectacular experience for this young guy, little billy whose parents
Speaker 1: had no interest in sports. But I found sports, and
Speaker 1: I found hope, opportunity and purpose. And then it was
Speaker 1: absolutely great because Bruce was on his way to UCLA
Speaker 1: and I was following him. Although Coach Wooden was very
Speaker 1: concerned as to how they were going to be able
Speaker 1: to feed the both of us, because when Coach came
Speaker 1: to dinner, he was astounded by the amount of food
Speaker 1: that My mom, Gloria, who still lives at ninety four
Speaker 1: in the same house that we all grew up in.
Speaker 1: She'd been there for sixty nine years. You would put
Speaker 1: this immense plate of food on the table, and Coach
Speaker 1: Wooden thought to himself, Oh, this is very nice, and
Speaker 1: then he realized that that was for Bruce, and what
Speaker 1: were the rest of this conny. So when your own
Speaker 1: so Bruce comes in, you know, to UCLA, and this
Speaker 1: is on the heels of Gary Beeban, the Heisman Trophy winner,
Speaker 1: who's a fantastic friend and incredible human being. And the
Speaker 1: coaches that Bruce had when he was at UCLA, Tommy Prothrow,
Speaker 1: Pepper Rogers, Dick Vermeal, Terry Donohue, and just an overwhelming
Speaker 1: roster of genius and compassion and humanity and inspiration and knowledge.
Speaker 1: And so across town they had USC with John McKay
Speaker 1: and everybody on his team was going to the NFL
Speaker 1: every year. Just absolutely spectacular teams, winning the Heisman Trophies
Speaker 1: all the time. Up at Oregon they had Dan Fouts,
Speaker 1: they had a mod Rashad. At Stanford they had Jim Plunkett,
Speaker 1: soon to be followed by John Elway. And then up
Speaker 1: in the University of Washington, we call that you dub
Speaker 1: was Sonny sixth Killer and all these guys are still
Speaker 1: great friends of mine. And the only reason they got
Speaker 1: to meet any of them was because of my brother Bruce,
Speaker 1: who was All America football player, who was an academic
Speaker 1: All America and he was the perfect big brother, and
Speaker 1: he always always looked out for me. And then during
Speaker 1: the course of our time at UCLA, the Los Angeles Rams,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I mean they had the fearsome forceom
Speaker 1: at the time they had Rosie Greer, Lamar Lundie Berlin Olson,
Speaker 1: Deacon Jones soon to be added to the Jack young Blood,
Speaker 1: Fred Dryer, you know. And then they had and their
Speaker 1: rivals in the west out here. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you grew up, was that Mars? Anyway, the Purple Peter
Speaker 1: people leaders up in Minnesota, Omaha hut Chef thirty seven
Speaker 1: left on page Carl Eller, Jim Marshall, Garry Larson. There's
Speaker 1: no there's no game for me to stop you and
Speaker 1: distract you because this is a bad guest here. You
Speaker 1: invited me as a guest. You don't have to air
Speaker 1: this if you don't like it. But Bud Grant was
Speaker 1: standing there on the sidelines and it would be minus
Speaker 1: one hundred degrees and Bud, Bud would not wear a
Speaker 1: jacket because he layed in the NBA and he played
Speaker 1: in the NBA in the NFL. I think he might
Speaker 1: be the only guy to play in both. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I just saw on the sidelines and
Speaker 1: the footballs outdoors in Minnesota in the middle of winter
Speaker 1: with no jacket on and just standing there saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're here to play, how about you? But all this time,
Speaker 1: you know, following the Chargers and all the different great
Speaker 1: players that they had, and then the rivalries that would
Speaker 1: come in because when the Raiders would come into town, man,
Speaker 1: that that was just over the top incredible because in
Speaker 1: my life I became a huge fan and an incredible
Speaker 1: the incredible good fortune I had to spend so much
Speaker 1: time with Al Davis. How much football are you watching now?
Speaker 1: Do you watch a lot of football? Have you watched
Speaker 1: the Cardinals watching? I'm getting there, please, all right, please,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get there. But to learn they're quicker.
Speaker 1: You told me we had forty five minutes. Man, there
Speaker 1: were gonna be some questions in there. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: just why I'm telling a story football Omaha, Phoenix, Baha,
Speaker 1: MEXICALI shift thirty seven left. You go deep, I'll throw
Speaker 1: it to you. And then so the Raiders, I mean
Speaker 1: the culture that they have with Art Shell and Gene Upshaw,
Speaker 1: Gene Otto and Ken Stabler ultimately Marcus Allen, how we long,
Speaker 1: Jim Plunk, Willie Brown, Jack Jadum, Ted Hendrickson. You don't
Speaker 1: have to list the roster. We know, we know who
Speaker 1: they are. You don't have to list the roster, we
Speaker 1: know who they are. All my friends. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about my friends. You're to talk about football, right,
Speaker 1: Phil Villipiano, Dave Casper, But Touzach Allowsado, Ray Guy, George
Speaker 1: Bland did you ever sends forty? You were friends of
Speaker 1: the Ray guy. I didn't think that you consult. You
Speaker 1: would have friendships with a kicker, a punter based on
Speaker 1: your history because you were a fighter, the team guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're a fighter. You like to fight and musical
Speaker 1: like the scrimmage. I like the line of scrimmage. And
Speaker 1: then as the Raiders were just fantastic, the Raiders, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, the forty nine Ers, the Giants, the Redskins.
Speaker 1: Because it was absolutely spectacular here to be able to
Speaker 1: go and see the Steelers come alive, because Art Rooney,
Speaker 1: Art Rooney and Chuck Noman that they're is finding guys
Speaker 1: as you'll ever come across. And then Terry, all of
Speaker 1: those guys, Terry Franco, Rocky Blier, Melon Blunt, Joe Green,
Speaker 1: jackham Jack, Lambert, Worth Swan, Mike Webster, l C. Greenwood
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Most of our listeners don't remember that
Speaker 1: and weren't alive. Let's let's why don't you have them
Speaker 1: be the guests? You ask me, Look, why do you
Speaker 1: ask me to be your guest? And then tell me
Speaker 1: what to talk about? What kind of hosts that you
Speaker 1: didn't talk about? The Cowboys in the seventies, man, they
Speaker 1: played five Super Bowls in the seventies. Rogers, your brother,
Speaker 1: And what about Bruce? Tell me about Bruce? Which Bruce
Speaker 1: goes on and he plays for the Cowboys. And that's
Speaker 1: how I know all of those guys. Roger, Bob Hayes,
Speaker 1: Bob Lily, Drew Pearson, Mel Renfro, Randy White, Too Tall, Jones, Rayfield, Right,
Speaker 1: Gil Brandtex shram, Don Meredith, le Roy Jordan, and Tony Dorsett. Now,
Speaker 1: now in that time when Tom Landry was the coach,
Speaker 1: Tom Landry and John Wooden became very very close friends
Speaker 1: for lots of reasons. Not to be discounted was the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys would have their preseason training camp
Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks, California, just in the San Fernando Valley
Speaker 1: at cal Lutheran College, which is coincidentally the same place
Speaker 1: where John Wooden had his summer basketball teams. And so
Speaker 1: every day, every day Coach Wooden and Tom Landry would
Speaker 1: have lunch together and they would talk and Coach Landry
Speaker 1: would be talking about telling stories about how wonderful Bruce was,
Speaker 1: and Coach Wooden was scratching his chin ins and what
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like the one I had then? And
Speaker 1: then Greg Lee and I would go and we would
Speaker 1: put on the clinics for Coach Wooden's basketball camps, and
Speaker 1: then we'd see all the Cowboys all the time, and
Speaker 1: it was just absolutely super fun. Now Bruce his friends,
Speaker 1: I mean, basically that entire team on the Cowboys from
Speaker 1: the Chevities, they're all in the Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: they were so supportive of art efforts, particularly in Portland
Speaker 1: when the Blazers were fighting for the championships and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys the big dudes. Man, they would show up. They
Speaker 1: would show up just to make sure that everything turned
Speaker 1: out okay when the bullies of the world were trying
Speaker 1: to ruin everything and just committing crimes against human decency
Speaker 1: and common sense there. But then the Steelers, I fell
Speaker 1: in love with the Steelers man just the way they played,
Speaker 1: and they're off the field activities and just so very
Speaker 1: very nice. And then ultimately I went to I moved
Speaker 1: to Palo Alto and Stanford in Menero Park when I
Speaker 1: was injured and couldn't play anymore, and so I was
Speaker 1: going to law school and a new career. And at
Speaker 1: the same time I was there in Stanford, John Elways
Speaker 1: a quarterback at Stanford, and we become friends. I'm in
Speaker 1: the law school, he's an undergraduate. And then at the
Speaker 1: same time, the forty nine Ers they choose as their
Speaker 1: practice facility Stanford University. So they've got Bill Walsh and
Speaker 1: Eddie de Bartelow, and then they got Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott,
Speaker 1: Fred De Dave Wilcox, Randy Cross, Jerry Rice, John Taylor,
Speaker 1: and this is in the in the shadow of John Brody,
Speaker 1: who was a fantastic friend growing up. And then ultimately
Speaker 1: they got Steve Youngs, and so at the same time
Speaker 1: this is all happening. Then I'm having all these operations
Speaker 1: on my feet and I can't play anything. I can't
Speaker 1: I can barely walk. You know, they're going to cut
Speaker 1: my foot off. And so is that true? Are they
Speaker 1: really gonna But I was having this. I had this
Speaker 1: pioneering experimental surgery that had never worked on anybody before,
Speaker 1: and I had it in nineteen eighty one, just before
Speaker 1: I went to Stanford Law School. And I get there
Speaker 1: and the boys growing up, Adam, Nate, Luke and Chris
Speaker 1: they're just coming of age and they're starting to watch
Speaker 1: these forty nine ers that who are just playing incredible
Speaker 1: football every week. And then they want to come over
Speaker 1: to Stanford Law School so they can go peep down
Speaker 1: and hang on the fence like I did as a
Speaker 1: child at Sunset Park. They want to hang on the
Speaker 1: fence at on Stanford's campus and see all the guys.
Speaker 1: So we let it. We did that they did, and
Speaker 1: everybody could not have been nicer. And so then we're
Speaker 1: on Louise Street in Menroe Park, in a dead end
Speaker 1: street where we lived, and the boys they wanted to
Speaker 1: play football in the street, but I couldn't stand and
Speaker 1: I couldn't run. I really couldn't walk at all. So
Speaker 1: I would bring a chair out into the middle of
Speaker 1: the streets. There was a dead end street, and I
Speaker 1: was sitting in the chair, and I would organize the game,
Speaker 1: and I would be the permanent quarterback. I would be
Speaker 1: the sport keeper. I'd be the referee, I'd be the commissioner.
Speaker 1: I was everything all they want, and they would be
Speaker 1: the receivers and the defenders. And so over time I
Speaker 1: got to the point where I could stand up, and
Speaker 1: then over time I got to the point where I
Speaker 1: could walk a little bit. And then one day I'm
Speaker 1: back there and I'm standing up, and I throw the
Speaker 1: pass and one of the children intercepts it and he's
Speaker 1: running and he's running it back for a touchdown, which
Speaker 1: all the other children are yelling and screaming, Dad, You're terrible.
Speaker 1: You're the worst dad ever. You're a horrible quarterback. Dad,
Speaker 1: you're cheating for the other team. Dad. It was one
Speaker 1: of the four children. I remember everything else about this story,
Speaker 1: but it was one of the children. And so as
Speaker 1: I see him running for the touchdown on the interception
Speaker 1: that I had, ill advisedly thrown. I take off running
Speaker 1: after him, and for the first time in years, I
Speaker 1: had been able to run. And everybody stopped and they
Speaker 1: looked at Dad and they said Dad could run. Dad
Speaker 1: could run. And so I from there I went ultimately
Speaker 1: and I made it back and I got to the
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics. And then when we got back to Boston,
Speaker 1: it was all really cool because we had big we
Speaker 1: had been big Patriots fans. Nick Bonecani and all the
Speaker 1: guys plumped it when he was when he was there,
Speaker 1: Randy vatah when he was there. But things had changed
Speaker 1: and the Patriots weren't any good at the time, and
Speaker 1: so at that moment, that was when the New York
Speaker 1: Giants with Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson were just tearing
Speaker 1: it up. And so being in Boston and the Patriots
Speaker 1: weren't any good, but the Giants were on every week,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they played the Washington Redskins every
Speaker 1: single game, and so we would watch these games and
Speaker 1: the children would just be absolutely fascinated because Joe Gibson
Speaker 1: was a friend, Bobby Bethard, all these guys, and then
Speaker 1: John Riggins and Joe Weisman Dexter Manley, the Hogs Man.
Speaker 1: We'd love. I love the linement, the guys that just
Speaker 1: get down and dirty, Jojo Kobe, Martin may Art Monk,
Speaker 1: Mark Moseley, the only kicker to ever be money was
Speaker 1: a receiver. I know I've already transitioned out from the Hogs.
Speaker 1: Please Mark Moseley, Joe Washington, and then Doug Williams who
Speaker 1: took the place of Joe Fisman after he got hurt,
Speaker 1: Sonny Jurgenson from the old days, great friend Billy Kilmer
Speaker 1: and went to UCLA. All these just spectacular human beings.
Speaker 1: And then I was just going on and living this dream,
Speaker 1: this dream of football. Yeah, MEXICALI Blue or San Antonio,
Speaker 1: Omaha shift left right, Hut hut, let's go. And then
Speaker 1: and then I spent four four years in the hospital
Speaker 1: in the late eighties. And then when I got out
Speaker 1: of the hospital and I could no longer play, I
Speaker 1: could no longer walk or run or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And a huge football fan. But then I made the
Speaker 1: ill advised choice to go into television, and everything changed
Speaker 1: because while advised, though white white sail advised. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've heard you say that before. I had no
Speaker 1: idea what I was doing, and it was the most
Speaker 1: unlikely career choice ever because you were a stutterer. When
Speaker 1: you were a stutterer, I got red hair, big nose, freckles, shoopy,
Speaker 1: nerdy looking face, and I'm a deadhead. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go into television, and I had
Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. And I tried it,
Speaker 1: and I tried it, guys couldn't get anything going. And
Speaker 1: then I've stumbled and struggled and labored my way through
Speaker 1: it to this point where I've been invited to this
Speaker 1: show and I keep getting interrupted by the host who
Speaker 1: who said, did you please come on my show? And
Speaker 1: now I come on your show and you just destroy
Speaker 1: me here. So so, in the course of the thirty
Speaker 1: two years since that took place, I have not been
Speaker 1: able to funnel fall because one of the things that
Speaker 1: I love about my job, and there's endless things, is
Speaker 1: that no matter how much you do in terms of research,
Speaker 1: in terms of preparations, in terms of study, in terms
Speaker 1: of knowledge, in terms of memorization, in terms of trying
Speaker 1: to learn something that you don't know anything about, it's
Speaker 1: never enough. And so one of the things that got
Speaker 1: sacrificed was watching the NFL. I still do watch the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I still do see the guys all around,
Speaker 1: all the guys that I know. I don't really know
Speaker 1: too many of the new guys. But when I say
Speaker 1: new guys, anybody from nineteen ninety on, And you still
Speaker 1: have the hat I gave you? I gave yann know
Speaker 1: if you remember this, I gave you an NFC West
Speaker 1: Division champions championship had for the Cargoes from twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Do you still have the hat? I had it. I
Speaker 1: had it and then Conrad Dobler came over and he
Speaker 1: ate it you. Did you know Conrad Dods Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: former Cardinal obviously who else? Cardinals, Jim Ray Harden and
Speaker 1: all the Cardinals from the baseball teams. And it's different,
Speaker 1: that's a different sport. I'm I'm a football card same
Speaker 1: deerf did you know? Yes? I did. It's just fantastic.
Speaker 1: Larry fitz you've met Larry Fitzgerald. I remember introducing you
Speaker 1: to Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Bidwell, the team. I was
Speaker 1: at the Basketball Hall of Fame. Larry Fitzgerald came and
Speaker 1: I got to sit next with him. I don't remember
Speaker 1: you introduced me to him, and you've never introduced me
Speaker 1: to anybody, and you just seem to, you know, to
Speaker 1: have something in for me, trying to, you know, elbow
Speaker 1: me out of the way. I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: buy out here. But I sat with Larry Fitzgerald when
Speaker 1: Jim Gray went into the Basketball Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: it was absolutely one of the special moments of my life.
Speaker 1: I love to meet smart, interesting, curious people. Do you
Speaker 1: do you remember when we sat with Richard Sherman during
Speaker 1: a Stanford game. Do you remember that you called him
Speaker 1: Bob Marley? We told him Harley. I remember he came
Speaker 1: to the game. Richard Sherman was on the air with
Speaker 1: us for two segments, and after the second segment we
Speaker 1: told him he was done, and he kept the headset on,
Speaker 1: so we just talked him for an entire half. He
Speaker 1: was having a blast. I think he liked the fact
Speaker 1: he called him Bob Marley. He couldn't get enough for you. No,
Speaker 1: that guy is really, really, really good. I saw him
Speaker 1: play after that man, and he could sing to it
Speaker 1: and and here and that atmosphere and after I do
Speaker 1: have to ask you. I do have to ask you
Speaker 1: about UCLA basketball because obviously last year because football, man,
Speaker 1: they're playing in the Holiday Bowl this year. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what about Yes, Kelly, Lorie and I are gonna go good.
Speaker 1: What about what about the basketball team? How high are
Speaker 1: you on this team? Because last year he came so
Speaker 1: close to get into the championship. This is a football podcast,
Speaker 1: please we talk about everything else. Mexical every twin falls, pocatella, shift, hike, hull,
Speaker 1: go deep and I'll throw it. So, like, what was
Speaker 1: it like for you emotionally last year win Gonzaga at
Speaker 1: the last second shot? What was that like for you?
Speaker 1: Because I saw the Vino Show to show I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Wilt. So one day at the beach,
Speaker 1: everybody who playing volleyball, having a great time, playing cards,
Speaker 1: having a great time, and it starts the conversation shift
Speaker 1: to football and who's who's everybody? You said, everybody's there? Who? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean all you and people down at the beach.
Speaker 1: So you said, Will se and Wilt and so and so.
Speaker 1: Will says I can throw the football and everybody scoffs.
Speaker 1: Everybody goes, yeah, right, Will and so Will Will tells
Speaker 1: one of the other guys. He says, just go out there,
Speaker 1: run down the beach, and I'll throw it to you.
Speaker 1: So the guy runs down the beach, you can barely
Speaker 1: see him, and Will keep waving them on so further further,
Speaker 1: and everybody is just like laughing at Wilt. Will steps
Speaker 1: back one crank of the shoulder there to loosen it up,
Speaker 1: takes the football and throws it underhand over the guy's head,
Speaker 1: who's now about ninety yards dallasto. Come on, now, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm not I was there. It was incredible. Will couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything in ninety yards yards sey air underhand. What
Speaker 1: were you guys doing on that beach? We were having
Speaker 1: a great time. Yeah, I'm sure you might have thought
Speaker 1: it went ninety yards. We were amazed and even stayed
Speaker 1: inside the Earth's gravitational force. Did Kareem play football at all?
Speaker 1: Did you see? I don't know he was from he
Speaker 1: was from Manhattan, he was from you know, harm And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many football players are coming out
Speaker 1: of there, but you know, basketball was his game as
Speaker 1: far as I'm sure he played. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: huge baseball fan. And what about Larry Bird, who just
Speaker 1: turned sixty five. Did he played football at all? Larry Bird?
Speaker 1: It's his birthday today. Well, I know, but this isn't
Speaker 1: airing today. That's why I said this was a live show. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's a we only did live shows and thought
Speaker 1: about misrepresentation show, scheduled my whole day and then you
Speaker 1: just interrupt me constantly, and then you tell me what
Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, it sounds like the other
Speaker 1: parts of our lives together. Have your birthday December twenty first.
Speaker 1: By the way, we will have a Kansas and Colorado
Speaker 1: year ten. It's hard to believe I had a full
Speaker 1: head of hair and it was black hair ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Although I actually worked with you in two thousand and
Speaker 1: six on NBA, you still claim that never happened. But
Speaker 1: I do have I know that I do have proof
Speaker 1: that we actually didn't stay together. Tell me about tell me, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to only talk football, your say out. So
Speaker 1: I was give me a junior say oh story. Fine.
Speaker 1: So I was tight end and middle linebacker. And when
Speaker 1: I was a tight end like Kevin Winslow, I was
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker like junior who played really anywhere. Junior
Speaker 1: was like Lawrence Taylor, He's like dextra man. I mean,
Speaker 1: they did not have a position. They just they watched
Speaker 1: the other team come to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: then they figured out, Okay, they're going here, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be right there and they're gonna have to change
Speaker 1: the play seventeen MEXICALI, Dallas San Antonio, you need to
Speaker 1: go on the Manning Cast. I have you been invited
Speaker 1: yet by Peyton and Elie. I assume you know, yes.
Speaker 1: I never get invited anywhere. I got invited on this show,
Speaker 1: and I'll never be invited back. Grateful then wrote wrote
Speaker 1: a song but wherever he goes, the people all complained
Speaker 1: and so but Junior say Out just as fine a
Speaker 1: human being, and we love that guy. I played basketball
Speaker 1: one time. This would I forget when it was, but
Speaker 1: it had been more than thirty six years ago, because
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to play basketball since then. And
Speaker 1: it was a it was a charity game, right, And
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of guys like me against a
Speaker 1: bunch of NFL players, and Junior say Out and Kevin
Speaker 1: Winslow and uh, it's just all these studs were playing
Speaker 1: and it was a huge mistake on my part. Because
Speaker 1: these guys were just out of control. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: basically like playing against artist Gilmore with no referee. But
Speaker 1: you just got well, you know, look, their idea, you know,
Speaker 1: a defensive stop is to you know, just to inflake
Speaker 1: brain damage. And so you know that that's not my
Speaker 1: deal and uh so, but I assure having incredible respect
Speaker 1: for those guys and I watched them play and the
Speaker 1: skill level, the fitness level. I'm just always amazed at
Speaker 1: the guys who have the square muscles, uh that you know,
Speaker 1: then bulge out of their uniforms, and how fast they are,
Speaker 1: and the hands that he used to catch and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady what he does each and every year just fantastic.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought Brady up because I'm curious,
Speaker 1: do you think NBA players will start playing until they're
Speaker 1: in their early to mid forties like Tom Brady, who
Speaker 1: still is at the top of his game at his age.
Speaker 1: I have never met anybody who voluntarily retired from basketball.
Speaker 1: The only guy I met who did that was Ernie
Speaker 1: Van Dewey, Kiki's dad, who in those days when he
Speaker 1: played in the fifties, one of the founding fathers of
Speaker 1: the NBA. As a player. You know, salaries were five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and Ernie came from a well to do family,
Speaker 1: and so he said, I'm not to do this for
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So he you know, he became a
Speaker 1: doctor and married Miss America, who was the sister of
Speaker 1: one of his teammates on the Knicks, and moved to
Speaker 1: move to Los Angeles and then the the mansion on
Speaker 1: the hill right across the street from UCLA. And so,
Speaker 1: but Karl Malone didn't stop playing because he wanted to.
Speaker 1: John Stockton, Kareem, Vince Carter. These guys don't stop because
Speaker 1: you want to. It stops because they can't play anymore.
Speaker 1: Lebron Chris Paul. You could see guys, those guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't I hope so, because they're sure fun to watch,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, the the incredible opportunities, and
Speaker 1: you know, the more money you make, the more good
Speaker 1: things you can do in the world, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's a great way and the business of sport has
Speaker 1: changed completely. Did you ever watch that movie Al Davis
Speaker 1: and Pete Roselle that that yes, that was Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fantastic and tremendous movie and uh so with Al Davis.
Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of time in the Bay
Speaker 1: Area during the seventies and for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 1: And I'd always go in and to Francesco's right near
Speaker 1: the Oakland Airport, and how would be in there having
Speaker 1: lunch or dinner every time, and we just sit and
Speaker 1: talk and just uh dream and drift and go all
Speaker 1: over the place. And he'd tell me everything he knew,
Speaker 1: and I would try to tell him about the few
Speaker 1: things that I knew, and all the different experiences that
Speaker 1: we would have, and then John Madden would be there
Speaker 1: and it was just a wonderful, wonderful time. So but
Speaker 1: now I'm now I'm in today's game. I know more
Speaker 1: the owners that's as opposed to the players and the coaches.
Speaker 1: And the culture has changed in sports because of the
Speaker 1: incredible success that David Stern has brought across the board
Speaker 1: to all sports. Is that there's no longer the interaction
Speaker 1: with the fans. I mean, the experiences that I had
Speaker 1: clinging on that fence watching the San Diego Charger legend
Speaker 1: that are you still get to do that. You still
Speaker 1: can go to training camp practices. There are plenty of
Speaker 1: Cardinals practices where you can go to and training camp
Speaker 1: and go sit in the stadium, get autographs after the game.
Speaker 1: I do again. I want to talk to the UCLA
Speaker 1: basketball I just want your thoughts on what you've seen
Speaker 1: too far, because we're going to talk about in a
Speaker 1: different podcast. We can't. This is the only podcast. This
Speaker 1: is the only podcast, the only day fash podcast that's
Speaker 1: going to run. This is the only time you're on.
Speaker 1: So let's get it in here. We don't need to
Speaker 1: do that. So you're not going to answer that it's
Speaker 1: bad enough you want to answer my question about basketball
Speaker 1: during a basketball broadcast. I do that all the time.
Speaker 1: That's all we do is look. I look around in
Speaker 1: your studio there, and you've got a countdown clock which
Speaker 1: shows that the Cardinals to go before the game starts.
Speaker 1: And so let's just talk about the beauty of this
Speaker 1: game and how many wonderful people have played this game football,
Speaker 1: who have been able to create a world where someone
Speaker 1: like me could just get so much out of it
Speaker 1: and to be able to spend the time over the
Speaker 1: years with all the different guys who I've mentioned, and
Speaker 1: I just want to express because at the beginning they
Speaker 1: gave me to that already he already purpose. What it
Speaker 1: really gave me at the end was pride, loyalty, and gratitude.
Speaker 1: The satisfaction with the choice that I made to ride
Speaker 1: my bike up to Sunset Park, the loyalty that I
Speaker 1: developed with all my personal friendships with all these guys.
Speaker 1: And then the gratitude they respect, the admiration, appreciation because
Speaker 1: I know these football players, man, they go through a lot,
Speaker 1: their bodies get destroyed. Well, you can relate. I mean
Speaker 1: you you had a rough. I'm doing great. I know
Speaker 1: you're doing great. Now. I'm talking about when you're playing.
Speaker 1: You know you obviously went through a lot, and you
Speaker 1: touched on that earlier. By the way, we don't take
Speaker 1: forty five seconds. You have forty seconds, ten seconds. Nine.
Speaker 1: Have you eaten any cupcakes lately and have they been
Speaker 1: lit when you've eaten them? Yes, I do that regularly.
Speaker 1: I like my food hot and that This year's PACK
Speaker 1: twelve media day in San Francisco, on the rooftop high
Speaker 1: above the rest of downtown San Francisco, they had a
Speaker 1: great display of cupcakes. I lit all the candles and
Speaker 1: I way too many cupcakes that day. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: fantastic your shoulder that we're at a time the game
Speaker 1: is going to start. Do you do you burn your
Speaker 1: mouth when you do that, because you've done it now
Speaker 1: several cans. Well, that's true. Your teeth aren't real, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to know. All right, I'll let you go.
Speaker 1: I love my teeth, I love being alive, I love football.
Speaker 1: I have incredible respect for all these guys or what
Speaker 1: they've done. I mean, these dudes are tough. So you
Speaker 1: got nothing on the Cardinals, nothing on the two twenty
Speaker 1: one NFL season, nothing, nothing on the Buccaneers, on Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: on the Packers. I'm working Cardinals, Cardinals, Rams, Monday night
Speaker 1: footballing on this game when you've got nothing one today?
Speaker 1: What's today besides Larry Bird's birthday? And then it sprinkled
Speaker 1: in San Diego today for the first time in memory.
Speaker 1: So when I see you in Boulder, are you going
Speaker 1: to ignore me? I'm going to be high in the
Speaker 1: Rockies looking for roaming buffalo who are starting stampeding for
Speaker 1: fresh fields of green grass. That's what I'm going to
Speaker 1: be looking for. Are you going to ignore me before
Speaker 1: tip off as usual or since it's the first time
Speaker 1: I'm seeing you since March at the Pactical Tournament. Will
Speaker 1: you at least acknowledge me? What's your name? What are
Speaker 1: we doing? What time does the game start? Boulder the
Speaker 1: launching pad to the universe. Paul Horney, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what a what a spiritual force of angel bart Star.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Again these real players from like thirty
Speaker 1: years ago? All right? Who care? I said? When I
Speaker 1: started this thing. They were the people who made me
Speaker 1: love football? And did I ever love football? Man? And
Speaker 1: then to hear on the radio, you know, Ray Scott,
Speaker 1: he made me fall in love with football. It was
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible, all these guys. And then I got to
Speaker 1: work with all of them. Did Scott what, Kurt Couty?
Speaker 1: You did games with them, You broadcast with Ray Scott
Speaker 1: and yet to broadcast a football game. That's what I know,
Speaker 1: a basketball that's one of my dreams. Well, hey, there's
Speaker 1: an invitation here. You want to come to a game
Speaker 1: with me sometime? Do a Cardinals game season? What's your name?
Speaker 1: What are you so? What? Analyst? What? I thought you
Speaker 1: were just a fan, But you're a fan that had
Speaker 1: a podcast and just wanted to talk about football. And
Speaker 1: then I call in here and we're already in overtime. Yep,
Speaker 1: because you talk so long with I didn't even get
Speaker 1: a question. So Ron Wolfley is who I do the
Speaker 1: Cardinal Games that there are a lot of people that
Speaker 1: want to hear you and Ron Wolfley on a broadcast.
Speaker 1: Oh Wolfee, let's go how already if you lead us
Speaker 1: in with Werewolves of London? How that can be arranged?
Speaker 1: That can arranged? All right? So as a as a
Speaker 1: young person to hear the broadcasters that that have had
Speaker 1: such an impact on my life. For the Jack Buck
Speaker 1: and Hank Stram, their show was over the top. How
Speaker 1: do you know Joe at all? Did you get to
Speaker 1: know Joe Buck at all? I know Joe little? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm trying to trying to tie this to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Jack and Joe both connected opposite. Is the
Speaker 1: same those Cardinals days? Yeah, that was Saint Louis Is.
Speaker 1: It's still the same team when they even though the
Speaker 1: same team just a different names. Louis. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got thrown off Nelson Man oh wow, and then
Speaker 1: Dick Stock and all these ledge and the fact that
Speaker 1: that I've been able to develop lifelong friendships with these
Speaker 1: guys and learn from them so much. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do We're gonna somehow orchestrate for being
Speaker 1: a part of a Cardinals broadcast at some point. And
Speaker 1: it's probably preseason because in the regular season you actually
Speaker 1: have to talk about the game. And it's radio. And
Speaker 1: I know you always say that when I'm doing TV.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that. It's not radio radio different radio, right,
Speaker 1: So you like, you don't we just put it on TV?
Speaker 1: Why don't we just put it on a YouTube chet
Speaker 1: That's why I said preseason. It is TV, so there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more room. Yeah. Yeah, we'll do it
Speaker 1: on TV next year. All right, again, we'll be in touch. Now.
Speaker 1: Branch is still doing the Raider games, right, he does
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yes, you're looking live. Oh my god, Branch
Speaker 1: job that he did in that Al Davis Pete Roselle movie.
Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, Charlie Joe, which was instrumental in me,
Speaker 1: uh taking this plunge to be on this show. I
Speaker 1: would never have been on this show I had not
Speaker 1: been for Charlie Jones. Now you're talking about getting into broadcasting. Yeah, well, Charlie,
Speaker 1: you know he moved. He's from Arkansas. But Dick Enberg too.
Speaker 1: I thought you and Dick Enberg were really close when
Speaker 1: he was the Lola Games who you were playing there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Dick was our Dick was our local broadcaster. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he went on to as great a career
Speaker 1: as anybody's ever had. But you can say that about
Speaker 1: Kurt Goudy, about Brent Musberger, about a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: and and so all these guys, you know, were fabulously
Speaker 1: encouraging and supportive of me. And and then I met you.
Speaker 1: And on that note, Bill over time, ohaha, seventeen shift left,
Speaker 1: you go along, fake draw, I'm running, get out of
Speaker 1: the way, stiff arm. Yeah, in your face. Thank you, Bill.
Speaker 1: What's your name again? So there you go, Bill Walton
Speaker 1: for about fifty minutes, talking most of those fifty minutes
Speaker 1: about football and the history of the game and a
Speaker 1: lot of the players that he grew up loving. And
Speaker 1: then also Will Chamberlain. That story was interesting, throwing of
Speaker 1: all ninety yards underhand. Somehow, I think Bill's memory about
Speaker 1: that might have been clouded by an external factor as
Speaker 1: they were hanging out together on a beach. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1: But also a very serious story that Bill told that
Speaker 1: I'd never heard before, just knowing Bill's injury history and
Speaker 1: how it cost him a good part of his career,
Speaker 1: and how he went to law school at Stanford in
Speaker 1: between his career as an NBA MVP with the Blazers
Speaker 1: and then going back and winning a championship with the Celtics,
Speaker 1: and how the first time he ran was when he
Speaker 1: was playing football with his four sons out on the street.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard that before, so that was interesting, and
Speaker 1: Bill is always entertaining. Hopefully you enjoyed this edition of
Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. If you didn't, I apologize. We'll
Speaker 1: get back to football next week with Chris Spielman, and
Speaker 1: then in a couple of weeks you'll hear from former
Speaker 1: Cardinals Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton. We are presented by
Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and by Hilo River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow
Speaker 1: us on Twitter at Pashpod. You can hear clips from
Speaker 1: previous podcasts, and also there'll be news about upcoming guests.
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Hall of Famer Bill Walton, and thanks
Speaker 1: to you for listening to the Dave Pash podcast Happy
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