WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Bill Walton 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.119 your host, Dave Pash, Arizona Cardinals and ESPN play by 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.440 play announcer. Through twelve games, the best team in the 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.160 NFL is the Arizona Cardinals at ten and two. So 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.560 why not talk to somebody that has nothing to do 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.239 with the Cardinals and nothing to do with football to 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.680 get his perspective or at least try to get his 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.560 perspective on what's going on with the Cardinals and the 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.520 NFL in twenty twenty one. My guest today is Hall 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:41.760 of Famer Bill Walton, seventeen shift left. I've worked with 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.680 Bill at ESPN for over fifteen years. My first time 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.560 working with Bill was in two thousand and six on 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.680 the NBA. I was just happy as a young guy 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.920 to be doing national NBA broadcast. Bill being one of 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.440 the greatest college basketball players of all time and one 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.560 of the top fifty NBA players of all time and 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.280 a legendary broadcaster who had done many NBA finals. I 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.480 was just happy to be there. So we're doing a 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.920 game in Chicago. Lebron James is playing for the Cavaliers. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.560 Lebron takes his head band off, throws it towards the 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.640 stands and Bill starts to yell on the air that 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.840 that's a technical foul. And he goes off for about 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.120 two minutes, and I don't stop him. I let him 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.120 go because I'm afraid. I'm like, should I step in? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.600 And it's Bill Walton, I'm doing an NBA game, happy 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.360 just to be here. I'm just gonna let him go. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.480 The next day, I get a call from Mike Tarico. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.760 Mike had been Bill's partner that season, and I had 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.080 filled in on seven or eight games with Bill, and 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:40.720 Mike said a handful of words to me that stuck 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.559 with me and played a big part in what would 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.679 happen in two and twelve. He said to me, and 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.600 this is again in two thousand and six, two thousand 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:53.120 and seven. You have to stop him. In other words, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.880 that's your job to cut him off and to redirect 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.160 him back to the game. So five years later, ESPN 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.080 gets the PAC twelve contract, which is a great thing 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.040 because I've been doing Big East, and while I love 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.520 the Big East, I've been traveling East a lot. Now 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.480 I have an opportunity to do games close to home. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.320 And ESPN was hiring Bill Walton back. He had been 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.720 off the air for a couple of years, So I'm 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.960 reunited with Bill, and those words that Tarico told me 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.200 you have to stop him, they stuck with me. I 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.200 employed those words on the air, and here we are 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.240 ten years later, still working together. And you're probably listening 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.920 to this and you're either or you're not in between. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.240 Either you absolutely hate the broadcast or you absolutely love him. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.120 If you hate him, I'm terribly sorry. If you love him, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.480 thank you. Keep watching. We're back for year number ten 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.920 starting December twenty second, with Kansas against Colorado. As for 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.960 this podcast, I tried, but as you're about to hear, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:56.160 it's very difficult. I love football. Bill will talk about 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.239 his love of football when it started, and he'll talk 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.320 about his brother, the late Bruce Walden, who played at 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.880 UCLA and then played for the Dallas Cowboys. In fact, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.840 Bill and Bruce are the only brother tandem to play 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.200 in the Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Very few 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.640 people know that. Bill, we'll talk about that. You'll also 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.240 hear a story about Will Chamberlain throwing a football on 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.840 a beach and how far he threw it. Plus Bill 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.000 will get into all the players that he's known over 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.360 the years, and what he plans to do in Boulder 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.760 when we reunite for year ten. Here in a couple 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.440 of weeks. All right, we are presented by betmgm, the 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.640 official sports betting partner at the Arizona Cardinals and Hila 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.480 River Hotels and Casinos. 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Oh my gosh, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.400 in San Diego eight years old, nineteen sixty. I followed 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.560 my older brother Bruce as I did most of my life, 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.440 and here he was going to football practice and we 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.320 had this most remarkable coach. His name was Rocky and 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.440 he was our town's fireman, and he had three children. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.960 We all went to the same school. And he saw 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.800 a need and that was for athletics and sports and 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.920 group activities in the afternoon. So he volunteered at our 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.640 elementary school in East San Diego at fifty sixth Street 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.120 and Alcohol and Boulevard for fifty nine years of his 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:12.640 life and he taught us everything and colding football. Ohaha, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:20.200 Cincinnati shift left thirty two seventeen. Let's go. Okay, we 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.719 were called on. I got something to stay here. And 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.640 it was absolutely incredible because Bruce, who was so fantastic 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:33.719 in my life. He played the entire offensive line and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.960 everybody else was a wide receiver or a running back 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.120 because he was so big and so good. And we'd 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.039 be in the huddle and the quarterback was trying to 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.640 figure something out, and the quarterback would be looking at 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.039 the sideline at Rocky, and Bruce would just lean right 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.320 in the huddle and he would just mumble, follow me, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.200 and then we'd just give the ball to anybody and 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.320 they would just follow Bruce all the way down. He 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.160 would just knock the entire team off and then I 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.880 had this remarkable experience because the next year, well, first 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.880 of all, I won my first championship in any group 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.880 sports situation the very next year, and I was in 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:19.240 fifth grade, and we won the championship in football, and 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:24.840 it was played at USD in the current football stadium 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.320 there where the football team plays still and the soccer 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.719 teams play and they have graduation and it's just a 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.359 magnificent facility. And we had access to that field in 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.800 the stadium for the championship, and yes, we won. And 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:42.240 then shortly thereafter, in nineteen sixty one, the Los Angeles 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:48.159 Chargers of the AFL, owned by Baron Hilton. He decided 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.400 he didn't want to compete with the Rams anymore, and 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.640 so he brought his team to San Diego and they 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:59.040 chose as their practice facility a public park, Sunset Park, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.120 which was a half mile three quarters of a mile 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.560 from our family home. And every day I would get 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.000 on my bike and get on my skateboard and ride 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.920 through the canyon, up the hill and through the mountains 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.200 and over the woods and all the stuff to get there. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.080 And then I would just cling on the fence and 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.840 I would just watch all these incredible legends. The quarterbacks 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.200 were Tobin wrote, John Haydel, and Jack Kimp. The running 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.880 backs were Paul Lowe and Keith Lincoln. The receivers were 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:34.240 Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison. Ron Mix anchored the offensive line. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.680 On defense, they had Ernie lad they had Earl Phase On, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.200 they had shut Allen. Sid Gilman was the coach man. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.280 And I fell in love on the radio with the 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.920 San Diego Chargers of the AFL Man and they had 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.640 a league, Oh my gosh, and the early days with 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.720 the Raiders and the Broncos and the Kansas City Chiefs 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.080 in the West, and then they had the Jets and 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.520 the Patriots and the Buffalo Bills and the Oilers down 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.200 down in the East. And then they added quickly Miami 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.880 and Cincinnati. Ohha, Cincinnati, Saint Paul Schiff, Let's go thirty 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:15.680 two left. But then it was just absolutely incredible. And 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.640 so every day they would come by the fence, all 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.600 the players as they're coming out of their makeshift locker 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.880 room which was probably just their cars or the public restroom, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.000 and they would come out and they would come out 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.120 of the weight room, which was basically they had taken 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.760 broom handles, and then they would taken coffee cans and 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.960 poured cements into the coffee cans and then jam the 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.200 broom handles into these coffee cans on both ends, and 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.480 that was their weight training. But these guys were so good, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.439 and they played their games on the weekends on Sundays 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.679 down in Balboa Stadium, which is at the south end 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.880 of Balboa Park. Imagine that Balboa Stadium at Dowbow apart. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.199 What a harmonic convergence of the high sch What a coincidence. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.080 And so I would ride my bike down there and 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.720 I would get into the I never had trouble in 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.040 my life ever getting into things for free. I didn't 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.280 have any money, and so I would get in and 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.559 I would just roam the stadium and just meet everybody. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.040 Couldn't talk at all, but I was having such a 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:26.240 fun time in the games were so absolutely fantastic. It 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.120 was just an incredible amount of fun and excitement. And 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.880 all the players they were just so nice to me. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.160 I mean, Sid Gilman was the coach, and he'd come 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.000 by and rubbed my little redhead hair, and all the 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.720 other players would come by and say, hey, man, what 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.839 are you doing? And I'm eleven years old? And the 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.760 nine ten, and it was just absolutely fantastic. And I 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.600 remember all the different coaches from those early days in 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:55.520 the AFO, Hankstram or Lou Saban, Al Davis, Oh my gosh, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.000 Bill Walls, Chuck Noll, John Madden, and it was a 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.800 phenomenal situation for a little young boy to just be 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:08.000 inspired and I fell in love with football. I was 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.880 a radio guy. We grew up without a television, so 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.320 I had the radio and they had all these remarkable 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.160 voices in my ear. Now, I thought it was just 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.319 me until I was talking to other people and then 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.280 they would say the same thing. But when I had 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.560 Ray Scott, when I had Charlie Jones, and I had 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:32.640 Kurt Gowdy, ultimately Dick Enberg and Brent Musferder, Jack Buck 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.960 and Hank Strand, Howard Costell and Don Meredith and all 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.240 these Lindsay Nelson and Chris shankl Dick Stocked and Pat Summer, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.160 all John Madden and Vermonquiz, all these people that over 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.320 the course of my life I got to meet and 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.719 worked with, and it was just such a dream come 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.600 true because their ability to create the scene, to be 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.560 able to paint the picture, the canvas that enabled us 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.079 on the radio to see what was going on to you. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.360 But most importantly, it was feeling it. And when they 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:08.679 described the situation when Dan Pastorini for the Houston Oilers, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.959 a graduate of Santa Clara University, when Dan Pastorini was 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.520 carried off the field four different times in the same game, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.200 and then he came back after the fourth time and 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.760 won the game, I was just hooked for You know, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.400 it's much easier. It's much easier for a play by 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.280 play guy to call the game when the analyst isn't talking. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.079 But you've gone five minutes out. I haven't even asked 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:37.599 a question yet. I don't I don't need a question. Man, Bruce. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.480 You brought up Bruce, and not many people realize that 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.640 you were the only brother tandem to play in a 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.640 Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Your brother played for 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.599 the Cowboys. You're trying to rush me. I wish you 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.280 could get there, all right, go ahead, then go ahead, okay, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.040 And so now I'm living this. I'm living this AFL dream. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.520 And then the NFL comes into my life with the 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.880 Packers and the Cowboys from the sixties. Oh my gosh, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.679 I have no idea how old you are you a dinosaur? 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.079 I mean, you still like Cole and that kind of stuff. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:17.320 But anyway, don't Vince Lombardi on the sideline for the 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:22.120 Packers and the history of the NFL, John the Cowboys. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.920 Ultimately you get Tom Landry with his administrative team of 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.000 Tech Shram and Gill Brandt, all these guys that I 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.240 came to know over the course of my life. But 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.000 I fell in love with the Packers, with Jerry Kramer 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.360 and Bart Starr and Bart Paul Horning and Max McGee 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.760 and Ray Nichki, oh my gosh, Jim Taylor, Herb Ratterie, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.520 Willie Davis, Forrest, Greg Henry, Jordan, Willie Wood, all these players, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.960 and I got to meet them all over the course 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.360 of my life and to see how they played, the 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:59.840 performance levels of their of their championship style, the culture 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.680 that Lombardi had had created there, and all the different 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.320 things that were going on. And by this time now 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.160 I'm sort of moving towards high school. And now in 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.160 high school, my coach Rocky he said, now, Billy, when 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.760 you get to high school, enough of this football stuff. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.240 Let's try some other sports. And so how tall are 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.440 you at this point? Oh, I'm probably probably about six 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.920 to five, I don't know now I was as a 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.120 freshman in high school. I was five to eleven when 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.760 I started, and then quickly I grew afoot yeah, in 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.120 the next couple of years. And it was just absolutely fantastic. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.920 So I get to this really terrific high school, Helix 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.040 High School. Bruce is a star on the team, and 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.400 we're in the Grossmont League. And every year at the 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.520 start of the season San Diego State, which is just 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.600 one mile from our family home, they would have in 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.600 their football stadium on campus, which was called Aztec Bowl, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.400 which is now called the Vajas Arena, the Basketball Temple 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:09.080 and Mecca, absolutely beautiful, beautiful basketball arena. But they played 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.880 football in that ravine, in that canyon, and at the 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:17.480 start of every season, all eight teams would show up 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.000 at Aztec Bowl at the gross Mont League would show up. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.880 They're all eight teams, all eight bands, the Charitaders from 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.120 all eight teams, and they would have a draw and 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.240 everybody would play one quarter against another team. And it 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.200 was just the most incredible and fantastic event. And we 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.960 would go and have so much fun all the time. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.560 But while we were there, we start learning about the 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.560 San Diego State as Tech football team, which is now 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:52.479 being coached by Don Corriel, one of the absolute geniuses 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.400 and legends, and he has coaches on his staff like 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.280 Joe Gibbs Al Davis, and he has got players like 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.520 Hay Even. It was just Gary Garrison, Fred Dryer and 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.240 one of the guys from the Gross Moot League, Brian Sipe, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:11.520 and so it's just an absolutely spectacular moment. And shortly thereafter, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.720 Marcus Allen is coming up right through the ranks of 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.600 East San Diego and I got to see him play 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.760 in high school football, and it was just such a 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.880 spectacular experience for this young guy, little billy whose parents 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.080 had no interest in sports. But I found sports, and 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.320 I found hope, opportunity and purpose. And then it was 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:39.240 absolutely great because Bruce was on his way to UCLA 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.480 and I was following him. Although Coach Wooden was very 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.240 concerned as to how they were going to be able 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.480 to feed the both of us, because when Coach came 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.600 to dinner, he was astounded by the amount of food 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.760 that My mom, Gloria, who still lives at ninety four 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.040 in the same house that we all grew up in. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.520 She'd been there for sixty nine years. You would put 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.960 this immense plate of food on the table, and Coach 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.080 Wooden thought to himself, Oh, this is very nice, and 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.480 then he realized that that was for Bruce, and what 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.800 were the rest of this conny. So when your own 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.960 so Bruce comes in, you know, to UCLA, and this 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.680 is on the heels of Gary Beeban, the Heisman Trophy winner, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.480 who's a fantastic friend and incredible human being. And the 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.160 coaches that Bruce had when he was at UCLA, Tommy Prothrow, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:34.240 Pepper Rogers, Dick Vermeal, Terry Donohue, and just an overwhelming 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:40.080 roster of genius and compassion and humanity and inspiration and knowledge. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.600 And so across town they had USC with John McKay 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.880 and everybody on his team was going to the NFL 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.400 every year. Just absolutely spectacular teams, winning the Heisman Trophies 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.240 all the time. Up at Oregon they had Dan Fouts, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.840 they had a mod Rashad. At Stanford they had Jim Plunkett, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.720 soon to be followed by John Elway. And then up 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.280 in the University of Washington, we call that you dub 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.240 was Sonny sixth Killer and all these guys are still 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.840 great friends of mine. And the only reason they got 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.200 to meet any of them was because of my brother Bruce, 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.639 who was All America football player, who was an academic 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.040 All America and he was the perfect big brother, and 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.560 he always always looked out for me. And then during 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:29.760 the course of our time at UCLA, the Los Angeles Rams, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.840 oh my gosh, I mean they had the fearsome forceom 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.280 at the time they had Rosie Greer, Lamar Lundie Berlin Olson, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.919 Deacon Jones soon to be added to the Jack young Blood, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.720 Fred Dryer, you know. And then they had and their 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.560 rivals in the west out here. I don't know where 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.200 you grew up, was that Mars? Anyway, the Purple Peter 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:56.480 people leaders up in Minnesota, Omaha hut Chef thirty seven 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:01.720 left on page Carl Eller, Jim Marshall, Garry Larson. There's 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.600 no there's no game for me to stop you and 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.800 distract you because this is a bad guest here. You 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.920 invited me as a guest. You don't have to air 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.280 this if you don't like it. But Bud Grant was 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.320 standing there on the sidelines and it would be minus 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.720 one hundred degrees and Bud, Bud would not wear a 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.800 jacket because he layed in the NBA and he played 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.400 in the NBA in the NFL. I think he might 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.280 be the only guy to play in both. I don't 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.639 know that. Yeah, I just saw on the sidelines and 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.320 the footballs outdoors in Minnesota in the middle of winter 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.240 with no jacket on and just standing there saying, yeah, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.720 we're here to play, how about you? But all this time, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.400 you know, following the Chargers and all the different great 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.080 players that they had, and then the rivalries that would 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.359 come in because when the Raiders would come into town, man, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.080 that that was just over the top incredible because in 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:02.119 my life I became a huge fan and an incredible 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.080 the incredible good fortune I had to spend so much 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.239 time with Al Davis. How much football are you watching now? 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.720 Do you watch a lot of football? Have you watched 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.760 the Cardinals watching? I'm getting there, please, all right, please, 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.160 I'm trying to get there. But to learn they're quicker. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.399 You told me we had forty five minutes. Man, there 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.840 were gonna be some questions in there. We're not gonna 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:31.520 just why I'm telling a story football Omaha, Phoenix, Baha, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:37.080 MEXICALI shift thirty seven left. You go deep, I'll throw 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.440 it to you. And then so the Raiders, I mean 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.439 the culture that they have with Art Shell and Gene Upshaw, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.000 Gene Otto and Ken Stabler ultimately Marcus Allen, how we long, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:53.840 Jim Plunk, Willie Brown, Jack Jadum, Ted Hendrickson. You don't 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.000 have to list the roster. We know, we know who 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.600 they are. You don't have to list the roster, we 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.720 know who they are. All my friends. I want to 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.480 talk about my friends. You're to talk about football, right, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:09.720 Phil Villipiano, Dave Casper, But Touzach Allowsado, Ray Guy, George 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.520 Bland did you ever sends forty? You were friends of 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.520 the Ray guy. I didn't think that you consult. You 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.760 would have friendships with a kicker, a punter based on 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.200 your history because you were a fighter, the team guy. Yeah, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.440 but you're a fighter. You like to fight and musical 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.679 like the scrimmage. I like the line of scrimmage. And 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.360 then as the Raiders were just fantastic, the Raiders, the Cowboys, 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.760 the Steelers, the forty nine Ers, the Giants, the Redskins. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.280 Because it was absolutely spectacular here to be able to 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:47.400 go and see the Steelers come alive, because Art Rooney, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.840 Art Rooney and Chuck Noman that they're is finding guys 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.600 as you'll ever come across. And then Terry, all of 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:58.040 those guys, Terry Franco, Rocky Blier, Melon Blunt, Joe Green, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:03.119 jackham Jack, Lambert, Worth Swan, Mike Webster, l C. Greenwood 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.320 forty years ago. Most of our listeners don't remember that 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.960 and weren't alive. Let's let's why don't you have them 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.679 be the guests? You ask me, Look, why do you 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.720 ask me to be your guest? And then tell me 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.359 what to talk about? What kind of hosts that you 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.680 didn't talk about? The Cowboys in the seventies, man, they 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:22.600 played five Super Bowls in the seventies. Rogers, your brother, 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.800 And what about Bruce? Tell me about Bruce? Which Bruce 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.800 goes on and he plays for the Cowboys. And that's 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.560 how I know all of those guys. Roger, Bob Hayes, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:37.280 Bob Lily, Drew Pearson, Mel Renfro, Randy White, Too Tall, Jones, Rayfield, Right, 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.000 Gil Brandtex shram, Don Meredith, le Roy Jordan, and Tony Dorsett. Now, 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:46.159 now in that time when Tom Landry was the coach, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.760 Tom Landry and John Wooden became very very close friends 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.359 for lots of reasons. Not to be discounted was the 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:59.639 fact that the Cowboys would have their preseason training camp 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.240 in Thousand Oaks, California, just in the San Fernando Valley 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:09.440 at cal Lutheran College, which is coincidentally the same place 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.440 where John Wooden had his summer basketball teams. And so 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:18.600 every day, every day Coach Wooden and Tom Landry would 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:23.000 have lunch together and they would talk and Coach Landry 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.000 would be talking about telling stories about how wonderful Bruce was, 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.920 and Coach Wooden was scratching his chin ins and what 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:34.720 that doesn't sound like the one I had then? And 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.200 then Greg Lee and I would go and we would 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.919 put on the clinics for Coach Wooden's basketball camps, and 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.159 then we'd see all the Cowboys all the time, and 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:48.159 it was just absolutely super fun. Now Bruce his friends, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.879 I mean, basically that entire team on the Cowboys from 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.000 the Chevities, they're all in the Hall of Fame, and 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:59.600 they were so supportive of art efforts, particularly in Portland 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.720 when the Blazers were fighting for the championships and the 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.240 Cowboys the big dudes. Man, they would show up. They 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.560 would show up just to make sure that everything turned 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.040 out okay when the bullies of the world were trying 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:17.119 to ruin everything and just committing crimes against human decency 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.680 and common sense there. But then the Steelers, I fell 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.119 in love with the Steelers man just the way they played, 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.120 and they're off the field activities and just so very 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:32.680 very nice. And then ultimately I went to I moved 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.159 to Palo Alto and Stanford in Menero Park when I 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.320 was injured and couldn't play anymore, and so I was 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.960 going to law school and a new career. And at 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.480 the same time I was there in Stanford, John Elways 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.480 a quarterback at Stanford, and we become friends. I'm in 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.199 the law school, he's an undergraduate. And then at the 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.840 same time, the forty nine Ers they choose as their 0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:02.040 practice facility Stanford University. So they've got Bill Walsh and 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.800 Eddie de Bartelow, and then they got Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:10.159 Fred De Dave Wilcox, Randy Cross, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.080 and this is in the in the shadow of John Brody, 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.720 who was a fantastic friend growing up. And then ultimately 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.639 they got Steve Youngs, and so at the same time 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:26.320