1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: your host, Dave Pash, Arizona Cardinals and ESPN play by 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: play announcer. Through twelve games, the best team in the 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: NFL is the Arizona Cardinals at ten and two. So 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: why not talk to somebody that has nothing to do 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and nothing to do with football to 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: get his perspective or at least try to get his 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: perspective on what's going on with the Cardinals and the 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: NFL in twenty twenty one. My guest today is Hall 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: of Famer Bill Walton, seventeen shift left. I've worked with 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Bill at ESPN for over fifteen years. My first time 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: working with Bill was in two thousand and six on 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: the NBA. I was just happy as a young guy 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: to be doing national NBA broadcast. Bill being one of 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: the greatest college basketball players of all time and one 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: of the top fifty NBA players of all time and 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: a legendary broadcaster who had done many NBA finals. I 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: was just happy to be there. So we're doing a 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: game in Chicago. Lebron James is playing for the Cavaliers. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Lebron takes his head band off, throws it towards the 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: stands and Bill starts to yell on the air that 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: that's a technical foul. And he goes off for about 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: two minutes, and I don't stop him. I let him 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: go because I'm afraid. I'm like, should I step in? 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: And it's Bill Walton, I'm doing an NBA game, happy 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: just to be here. I'm just gonna let him go. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: The next day, I get a call from Mike Tarico. 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: Mike had been Bill's partner that season, and I had 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: filled in on seven or eight games with Bill, and 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Mike said a handful of words to me that stuck 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: with me and played a big part in what would 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: happen in two and twelve. He said to me, and 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: this is again in two thousand and six, two thousand 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: and seven. You have to stop him. In other words, 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: that's your job to cut him off and to redirect 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: him back to the game. So five years later, ESPN 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: gets the PAC twelve contract, which is a great thing 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: because I've been doing Big East, and while I love 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: the Big East, I've been traveling East a lot. Now 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to do games close to home. 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: And ESPN was hiring Bill Walton back. He had been 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: off the air for a couple of years, So I'm 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: reunited with Bill, and those words that Tarico told me 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: you have to stop him, they stuck with me. I 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: employed those words on the air, and here we are 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: ten years later, still working together. And you're probably listening 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: to this and you're either or you're not in between. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Either you absolutely hate the broadcast or you absolutely love him. 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: If you hate him, I'm terribly sorry. If you love him, 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: thank you. Keep watching. We're back for year number ten 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: starting December twenty second, with Kansas against Colorado. As for 52 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: this podcast, I tried, but as you're about to hear, 53 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it's very difficult. I love football. Bill will talk about 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: his love of football when it started, and he'll talk 55 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: about his brother, the late Bruce Walden, who played at 56 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: UCLA and then played for the Dallas Cowboys. In fact, 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Bill and Bruce are the only brother tandem to play 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Very few 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: people know that. Bill, we'll talk about that. You'll also 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: hear a story about Will Chamberlain throwing a football on 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: a beach and how far he threw it. Plus Bill 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: will get into all the players that he's known over 63 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: the years, and what he plans to do in Boulder 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: when we reunite for year ten. Here in a couple 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: of weeks. All right, we are presented by betmgm, the 66 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: official sports betting partner at the Arizona Cardinals and Hila 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: River Hotels and Casinos. Sign up for betmgm today using 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: code cards one thousand and get your first bet risk 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: free up to one thousand dollars. New customer offer paid 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: in free bets. Visit betmgm dot com for terms and 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: conditions twenty one and over Arizona only. Please gamble responsibly. 72 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next step, So here 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: we go. Buckle your seat belts. It's mostly Bill, very 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: little of me on this edition of the Day Patch podcast. 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: So first of all, did you play football at all? Oh? Yeah, man, 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: here we go. I love football. And here I was 77 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: little Billy with his red hair and his big nose 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: and his freckles and his speech impediment. Oh my gosh, 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: in San Diego eight years old, nineteen sixty. I followed 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: my older brother Bruce as I did most of my life, 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: and here he was going to football practice and we 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: had this most remarkable coach. His name was Rocky and 83 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: he was our town's fireman, and he had three children. 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: We all went to the same school. And he saw 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: a need and that was for athletics and sports and 86 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: group activities in the afternoon. So he volunteered at our 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: elementary school in East San Diego at fifty sixth Street 88 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: and Alcohol and Boulevard for fifty nine years of his 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: life and he taught us everything and colding football. Ohaha, 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: Cincinnati shift left thirty two seventeen. Let's go. Okay, we 91 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: were called on. I got something to stay here. And 92 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: it was absolutely incredible because Bruce, who was so fantastic 93 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: in my life. He played the entire offensive line and 94 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: everybody else was a wide receiver or a running back 95 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: because he was so big and so good. And we'd 96 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: be in the huddle and the quarterback was trying to 97 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: figure something out, and the quarterback would be looking at 98 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: the sideline at Rocky, and Bruce would just lean right 99 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: in the huddle and he would just mumble, follow me, 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: and then we'd just give the ball to anybody and 101 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: they would just follow Bruce all the way down. He 102 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: would just knock the entire team off and then I 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: had this remarkable experience because the next year, well, first 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: of all, I won my first championship in any group 105 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: sports situation the very next year, and I was in 106 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: fifth grade, and we won the championship in football, and 107 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: it was played at USD in the current football stadium 108 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: there where the football team plays still and the soccer 109 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: teams play and they have graduation and it's just a 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: magnificent facility. And we had access to that field in 111 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: the stadium for the championship, and yes, we won. And 112 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: then shortly thereafter, in nineteen sixty one, the Los Angeles 113 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: Chargers of the AFL, owned by Baron Hilton. He decided 114 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: he didn't want to compete with the Rams anymore, and 115 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: so he brought his team to San Diego and they 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: chose as their practice facility a public park, Sunset Park, 117 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: which was a half mile three quarters of a mile 118 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: from our family home. And every day I would get 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: on my bike and get on my skateboard and ride 120 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: through the canyon, up the hill and through the mountains 121 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: and over the woods and all the stuff to get there. 122 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: And then I would just cling on the fence and 123 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: I would just watch all these incredible legends. The quarterbacks 124 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: were Tobin wrote, John Haydel, and Jack Kimp. The running 125 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: backs were Paul Lowe and Keith Lincoln. The receivers were 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison. Ron Mix anchored the offensive line. 127 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: On defense, they had Ernie lad they had Earl Phase On, 128 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: they had shut Allen. Sid Gilman was the coach man. 129 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: And I fell in love on the radio with the 130 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers of the AFL Man and they had 131 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: a league, Oh my gosh, and the early days with 132 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Broncos and the Kansas City Chiefs 133 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: in the West, and then they had the Jets and 134 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Buffalo Bills and the Oilers down 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: down in the East. And then they added quickly Miami 136 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati. Ohha, Cincinnati, Saint Paul Schiff, Let's go thirty 137 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: two left. But then it was just absolutely incredible. And 138 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: so every day they would come by the fence, all 139 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the players as they're coming out of their makeshift locker 140 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: room which was probably just their cars or the public restroom, 141 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: and they would come out and they would come out 142 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: of the weight room, which was basically they had taken 143 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: broom handles, and then they would taken coffee cans and 144 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: poured cements into the coffee cans and then jam the 145 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: broom handles into these coffee cans on both ends, and 146 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: that was their weight training. But these guys were so good, 147 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: and they played their games on the weekends on Sundays 148 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: down in Balboa Stadium, which is at the south end 149 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: of Balboa Park. Imagine that Balboa Stadium at Dowbow apart. 150 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: What a harmonic convergence of the high sch What a coincidence. 151 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: And so I would ride my bike down there and 152 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: I would get into the I never had trouble in 153 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: my life ever getting into things for free. I didn't 154 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: have any money, and so I would get in and 155 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: I would just roam the stadium and just meet everybody. 156 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: Couldn't talk at all, but I was having such a 157 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: fun time in the games were so absolutely fantastic. It 158 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: was just an incredible amount of fun and excitement. And 159 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: all the players they were just so nice to me. 160 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Sid Gilman was the coach, and he'd come 161 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: by and rubbed my little redhead hair, and all the 162 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: other players would come by and say, hey, man, what 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm eleven years old? And the 164 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: nine ten, and it was just absolutely fantastic. And I 165 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: remember all the different coaches from those early days in 166 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: the AFO, Hankstram or Lou Saban, Al Davis, Oh my gosh, 167 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Bill Walls, Chuck Noll, John Madden, and it was a 168 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: phenomenal situation for a little young boy to just be 169 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: inspired and I fell in love with football. I was 170 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: a radio guy. We grew up without a television, so 171 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: I had the radio and they had all these remarkable 172 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: voices in my ear. Now, I thought it was just 173 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: me until I was talking to other people and then 174 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: they would say the same thing. But when I had 175 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Ray Scott, when I had Charlie Jones, and I had 176 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Kurt Gowdy, ultimately Dick Enberg and Brent Musferder, Jack Buck 177 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: and Hank Strand, Howard Costell and Don Meredith and all 178 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: these Lindsay Nelson and Chris shankl Dick Stocked and Pat Summer, 179 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: all John Madden and Vermonquiz, all these people that over 180 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: the course of my life I got to meet and 181 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: worked with, and it was just such a dream come 182 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: true because their ability to create the scene, to be 183 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: able to paint the picture, the canvas that enabled us 184 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: on the radio to see what was going on to you. 185 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: But most importantly, it was feeling it. And when they 186 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: described the situation when Dan Pastorini for the Houston Oilers, 187 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: a graduate of Santa Clara University, when Dan Pastorini was 188 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: carried off the field four different times in the same game, 189 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: and then he came back after the fourth time and 190 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: won the game, I was just hooked for You know, 191 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: it's much easier. It's much easier for a play by 192 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: play guy to call the game when the analyst isn't talking. 193 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: But you've gone five minutes out. I haven't even asked 194 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: a question yet. I don't I don't need a question. Man, Bruce. 195 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: You brought up Bruce, and not many people realize that 196 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: you were the only brother tandem to play in a 197 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and an NBA Finals. Your brother played for 198 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You're trying to rush me. I wish you 199 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: could get there, all right, go ahead, then go ahead, okay, 200 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: And so now I'm living this. I'm living this AFL dream. 201 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: And then the NFL comes into my life with the 202 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: Packers and the Cowboys from the sixties. Oh my gosh, 203 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: I have no idea how old you are you a dinosaur? 204 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: I mean, you still like Cole and that kind of stuff. 205 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, don't Vince Lombardi on the sideline for the 206 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Packers and the history of the NFL, John the Cowboys. 207 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Ultimately you get Tom Landry with his administrative team of 208 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Tech Shram and Gill Brandt, all these guys that I 209 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: came to know over the course of my life. But 210 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: I fell in love with the Packers, with Jerry Kramer 211 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: and Bart Starr and Bart Paul Horning and Max McGee 212 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: and Ray Nichki, oh my gosh, Jim Taylor, Herb Ratterie, 213 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Willie Davis, Forrest, Greg Henry, Jordan, Willie Wood, all these players, 214 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and I got to meet them all over the course 215 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: of my life and to see how they played, the 216 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: performance levels of their of their championship style, the culture 217 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: that Lombardi had had created there, and all the different 218 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: things that were going on. And by this time now 219 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm sort of moving towards high school. And now in 220 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: high school, my coach Rocky he said, now, Billy, when 221 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: you get to high school, enough of this football stuff. 222 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Let's try some other sports. And so how tall are 223 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: you at this point? Oh, I'm probably probably about six 224 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: to five, I don't know now I was as a 225 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: freshman in high school. I was five to eleven when 226 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: I started, and then quickly I grew afoot yeah, in 227 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: the next couple of years. And it was just absolutely fantastic. 228 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: So I get to this really terrific high school, Helix 229 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: High School. Bruce is a star on the team, and 230 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: we're in the Grossmont League. And every year at the 231 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: start of the season San Diego State, which is just 232 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: one mile from our family home, they would have in 233 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: their football stadium on campus, which was called Aztec Bowl, 234 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: which is now called the Vajas Arena, the Basketball Temple 235 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: and Mecca, absolutely beautiful, beautiful basketball arena. But they played 236 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: football in that ravine, in that canyon, and at the 237 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: start of every season, all eight teams would show up 238 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: at Aztec Bowl at the gross Mont League would show up. 239 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: They're all eight teams, all eight bands, the Charitaders from 240 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: all eight teams, and they would have a draw and 241 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: everybody would play one quarter against another team. And it 242 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: was just the most incredible and fantastic event. And we 243 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: would go and have so much fun all the time. 244 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: But while we were there, we start learning about the 245 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: San Diego State as Tech football team, which is now 246 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,479 Speaker 1: being coached by Don Corriel, one of the absolute geniuses 247 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and legends, and he has coaches on his staff like 248 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs Al Davis, and he has got players like 249 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: Hay Even. It was just Gary Garrison, Fred Dryer and 250 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: one of the guys from the Gross Moot League, Brian Sipe, 251 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: and so it's just an absolutely spectacular moment. And shortly thereafter, 252 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: Marcus Allen is coming up right through the ranks of 253 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: East San Diego and I got to see him play 254 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: in high school football, and it was just such a 255 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: spectacular experience for this young guy, little billy whose parents 256 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: had no interest in sports. But I found sports, and 257 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: I found hope, opportunity and purpose. And then it was 258 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: absolutely great because Bruce was on his way to UCLA 259 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: and I was following him. Although Coach Wooden was very 260 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: concerned as to how they were going to be able 261 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: to feed the both of us, because when Coach came 262 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: to dinner, he was astounded by the amount of food 263 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: that My mom, Gloria, who still lives at ninety four 264 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: in the same house that we all grew up in. 265 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: She'd been there for sixty nine years. You would put 266 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: this immense plate of food on the table, and Coach 267 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: Wooden thought to himself, Oh, this is very nice, and 268 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: then he realized that that was for Bruce, and what 269 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: were the rest of this conny. So when your own 270 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: so Bruce comes in, you know, to UCLA, and this 271 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: is on the heels of Gary Beeban, the Heisman Trophy winner, 272 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: who's a fantastic friend and incredible human being. And the 273 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: coaches that Bruce had when he was at UCLA, Tommy Prothrow, 274 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: Pepper Rogers, Dick Vermeal, Terry Donohue, and just an overwhelming 275 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: roster of genius and compassion and humanity and inspiration and knowledge. 276 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: And so across town they had USC with John McKay 277 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and everybody on his team was going to the NFL 278 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: every year. Just absolutely spectacular teams, winning the Heisman Trophies 279 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: all the time. Up at Oregon they had Dan Fouts, 280 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: they had a mod Rashad. At Stanford they had Jim Plunkett, 281 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: soon to be followed by John Elway. And then up 282 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: in the University of Washington, we call that you dub 283 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: was Sonny sixth Killer and all these guys are still 284 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: great friends of mine. And the only reason they got 285 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to meet any of them was because of my brother Bruce, 286 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: who was All America football player, who was an academic 287 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: All America and he was the perfect big brother, and 288 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: he always always looked out for me. And then during 289 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: the course of our time at UCLA, the Los Angeles Rams, 290 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I mean they had the fearsome forceom 291 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: at the time they had Rosie Greer, Lamar Lundie Berlin Olson, 292 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Deacon Jones soon to be added to the Jack young Blood, 293 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: Fred Dryer, you know. And then they had and their 294 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: rivals in the west out here. I don't know where 295 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: you grew up, was that Mars? Anyway, the Purple Peter 296 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: people leaders up in Minnesota, Omaha hut Chef thirty seven 297 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: left on page Carl Eller, Jim Marshall, Garry Larson. There's 298 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: no there's no game for me to stop you and 299 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: distract you because this is a bad guest here. You 300 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: invited me as a guest. You don't have to air 301 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: this if you don't like it. But Bud Grant was 302 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: standing there on the sidelines and it would be minus 303 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: one hundred degrees and Bud, Bud would not wear a 304 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: jacket because he layed in the NBA and he played 305 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA in the NFL. I think he might 306 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: be the only guy to play in both. I don't 307 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I just saw on the sidelines and 308 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: the footballs outdoors in Minnesota in the middle of winter 309 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: with no jacket on and just standing there saying, yeah, 310 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: we're here to play, how about you? But all this time, 311 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, following the Chargers and all the different great 312 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: players that they had, and then the rivalries that would 313 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: come in because when the Raiders would come into town, man, 314 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: that that was just over the top incredible because in 315 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: my life I became a huge fan and an incredible 316 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: the incredible good fortune I had to spend so much 317 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 1: time with Al Davis. How much football are you watching now? 318 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: Do you watch a lot of football? Have you watched 319 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: the Cardinals watching? I'm getting there, please, all right, please, 320 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get there. But to learn they're quicker. 321 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: You told me we had forty five minutes. Man, there 322 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: were gonna be some questions in there. We're not gonna 323 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: just why I'm telling a story football Omaha, Phoenix, Baha, 324 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: MEXICALI shift thirty seven left. You go deep, I'll throw 325 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: it to you. And then so the Raiders, I mean 326 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: the culture that they have with Art Shell and Gene Upshaw, 327 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Gene Otto and Ken Stabler ultimately Marcus Allen, how we long, 328 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: Jim Plunk, Willie Brown, Jack Jadum, Ted Hendrickson. You don't 329 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: have to list the roster. We know, we know who 330 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: they are. You don't have to list the roster, we 331 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: know who they are. All my friends. I want to 332 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: talk about my friends. You're to talk about football, right, 333 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Phil Villipiano, Dave Casper, But Touzach Allowsado, Ray Guy, George 334 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: Bland did you ever sends forty? You were friends of 335 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: the Ray guy. I didn't think that you consult. You 336 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: would have friendships with a kicker, a punter based on 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: your history because you were a fighter, the team guy. Yeah, 338 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: but you're a fighter. You like to fight and musical 339 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: like the scrimmage. I like the line of scrimmage. And 340 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: then as the Raiders were just fantastic, the Raiders, the Cowboys, 341 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers, the forty nine Ers, the Giants, the Redskins. 342 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Because it was absolutely spectacular here to be able to 343 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: go and see the Steelers come alive, because Art Rooney, 344 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Art Rooney and Chuck Noman that they're is finding guys 345 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: as you'll ever come across. And then Terry, all of 346 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: those guys, Terry Franco, Rocky Blier, Melon Blunt, Joe Green, 347 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: jackham Jack, Lambert, Worth Swan, Mike Webster, l C. Greenwood 348 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: forty years ago. Most of our listeners don't remember that 349 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: and weren't alive. Let's let's why don't you have them 350 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: be the guests? You ask me, Look, why do you 351 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: ask me to be your guest? And then tell me 352 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: what to talk about? What kind of hosts that you 353 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: didn't talk about? The Cowboys in the seventies, man, they 354 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: played five Super Bowls in the seventies. Rogers, your brother, 355 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: And what about Bruce? Tell me about Bruce? Which Bruce 356 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: goes on and he plays for the Cowboys. And that's 357 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: how I know all of those guys. Roger, Bob Hayes, 358 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Bob Lily, Drew Pearson, Mel Renfro, Randy White, Too Tall, Jones, Rayfield, Right, 359 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Gil Brandtex shram, Don Meredith, le Roy Jordan, and Tony Dorsett. Now, 360 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: now in that time when Tom Landry was the coach, 361 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Tom Landry and John Wooden became very very close friends 362 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: for lots of reasons. Not to be discounted was the 363 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys would have their preseason training camp 364 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks, California, just in the San Fernando Valley 365 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: at cal Lutheran College, which is coincidentally the same place 366 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: where John Wooden had his summer basketball teams. And so 367 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: every day, every day Coach Wooden and Tom Landry would 368 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: have lunch together and they would talk and Coach Landry 369 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: would be talking about telling stories about how wonderful Bruce was, 370 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: and Coach Wooden was scratching his chin ins and what 371 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like the one I had then? And 372 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: then Greg Lee and I would go and we would 373 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: put on the clinics for Coach Wooden's basketball camps, and 374 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: then we'd see all the Cowboys all the time, and 375 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: it was just absolutely super fun. Now Bruce his friends, 376 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean, basically that entire team on the Cowboys from 377 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: the Chevities, they're all in the Hall of Fame, and 378 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: they were so supportive of art efforts, particularly in Portland 379 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: when the Blazers were fighting for the championships and the 380 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: Cowboys the big dudes. Man, they would show up. They 381 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: would show up just to make sure that everything turned 382 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: out okay when the bullies of the world were trying 383 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: to ruin everything and just committing crimes against human decency 384 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: and common sense there. But then the Steelers, I fell 385 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: in love with the Steelers man just the way they played, 386 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: and they're off the field activities and just so very 387 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: very nice. And then ultimately I went to I moved 388 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: to Palo Alto and Stanford in Menero Park when I 389 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: was injured and couldn't play anymore, and so I was 390 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: going to law school and a new career. And at 391 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: the same time I was there in Stanford, John Elways 392 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback at Stanford, and we become friends. I'm in 393 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: the law school, he's an undergraduate. And then at the 394 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: same time, the forty nine Ers they choose as their 395 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: practice facility Stanford University. So they've got Bill Walsh and 396 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: Eddie de Bartelow, and then they got Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, 397 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: Fred De Dave Wilcox, Randy Cross, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, 398 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: and this is in the in the shadow of John Brody, 399 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: who was a fantastic friend growing up. And then ultimately 400 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: they got Steve Youngs, and so at the same time 401 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: this is all happening. Then I'm having all these operations 402 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: on my feet and I can't play anything. I can't 403 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I can barely walk. You know, they're going to cut 404 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: my foot off. And so is that true? Are they 405 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: really gonna But I was having this. I had this 406 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: pioneering experimental surgery that had never worked on anybody before, 407 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: and I had it in nineteen eighty one, just before 408 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: I went to Stanford Law School. And I get there 409 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: and the boys growing up, Adam, Nate, Luke and Chris 410 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: they're just coming of age and they're starting to watch 411 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: these forty nine ers that who are just playing incredible 412 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: football every week. And then they want to come over 413 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: to Stanford Law School so they can go peep down 414 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: and hang on the fence like I did as a 415 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: child at Sunset Park. They want to hang on the 416 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: fence at on Stanford's campus and see all the guys. 417 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: So we let it. We did that they did, and 418 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: everybody could not have been nicer. And so then we're 419 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: on Louise Street in Menroe Park, in a dead end 420 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: street where we lived, and the boys they wanted to 421 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: play football in the street, but I couldn't stand and 422 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: I couldn't run. I really couldn't walk at all. So 423 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: I would bring a chair out into the middle of 424 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: the streets. There was a dead end street, and I 425 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: was sitting in the chair, and I would organize the game, 426 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: and I would be the permanent quarterback. I would be 427 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: the sport keeper. I'd be the referee, I'd be the commissioner. 428 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: I was everything all they want, and they would be 429 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: the receivers and the defenders. And so over time I 430 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: got to the point where I could stand up, and 431 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: then over time I got to the point where I 432 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: could walk a little bit. And then one day I'm 433 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: back there and I'm standing up, and I throw the 434 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: pass and one of the children intercepts it and he's 435 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: running and he's running it back for a touchdown, which 436 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: all the other children are yelling and screaming, Dad, You're terrible. 437 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: You're the worst dad ever. You're a horrible quarterback. Dad, 438 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: you're cheating for the other team. Dad. It was one 439 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: of the four children. I remember everything else about this story, 440 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: but it was one of the children. And so as 441 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: I see him running for the touchdown on the interception 442 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: that I had, ill advisedly thrown. I take off running 443 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: after him, and for the first time in years, I 444 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: had been able to run. And everybody stopped and they 445 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: looked at Dad and they said Dad could run. Dad 446 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: could run. And so I from there I went ultimately 447 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: and I made it back and I got to the 448 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: Boston Celtics. And then when we got back to Boston, 449 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: it was all really cool because we had big we 450 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: had been big Patriots fans. Nick Bonecani and all the 451 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: guys plumped it when he was when he was there, 452 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: Randy vatah when he was there. But things had changed 453 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: and the Patriots weren't any good at the time, and 454 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: so at that moment, that was when the New York 455 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: Giants with Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson were just tearing 456 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: it up. And so being in Boston and the Patriots 457 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: weren't any good, but the Giants were on every week, 458 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: and it seemed like they played the Washington Redskins every 459 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: single game, and so we would watch these games and 460 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: the children would just be absolutely fascinated because Joe Gibson 461 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: was a friend, Bobby Bethard, all these guys, and then 462 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: John Riggins and Joe Weisman Dexter Manley, the Hogs Man. 463 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: We'd love. I love the linement, the guys that just 464 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: get down and dirty, Jojo Kobe, Martin may Art Monk, 465 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: Mark Moseley, the only kicker to ever be money was 466 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: a receiver. I know I've already transitioned out from the Hogs. 467 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: Please Mark Moseley, Joe Washington, and then Doug Williams who 468 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: took the place of Joe Fisman after he got hurt, 469 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: Sonny Jurgenson from the old days, great friend Billy Kilmer 470 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: and went to UCLA. All these just spectacular human beings. 471 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: And then I was just going on and living this dream, 472 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: this dream of football. Yeah, MEXICALI Blue or San Antonio, 473 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: Omaha shift left right, Hut hut, let's go. And then 474 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and then I spent four four years in the hospital 475 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: in the late eighties. And then when I got out 476 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: of the hospital and I could no longer play, I 477 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: could no longer walk or run or anything like that. 478 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: And a huge football fan. But then I made the 479 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: ill advised choice to go into television, and everything changed 480 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: because while advised, though white white sail advised. I don't 481 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: think I've heard you say that before. I had no 482 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: idea what I was doing, and it was the most 483 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: unlikely career choice ever because you were a stutterer. When 484 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: you were a stutterer, I got red hair, big nose, freckles, shoopy, 485 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: nerdy looking face, and I'm a deadhead. And so anyway, 486 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go into television, and I had 487 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. And I tried it, 488 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: and I tried it, guys couldn't get anything going. And 489 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: then I've stumbled and struggled and labored my way through 490 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: it to this point where I've been invited to this 491 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: show and I keep getting interrupted by the host who 492 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: who said, did you please come on my show? And 493 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: now I come on your show and you just destroy 494 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: me here. So so, in the course of the thirty 495 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: two years since that took place, I have not been 496 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: able to funnel fall because one of the things that 497 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: I love about my job, and there's endless things, is 498 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: that no matter how much you do in terms of research, 499 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: in terms of preparations, in terms of study, in terms 500 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: of knowledge, in terms of memorization, in terms of trying 501 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: to learn something that you don't know anything about, it's 502 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: never enough. And so one of the things that got 503 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: sacrificed was watching the NFL. I still do watch the 504 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I still do see the guys all around, 505 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: all the guys that I know. I don't really know 506 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: too many of the new guys. But when I say 507 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: new guys, anybody from nineteen ninety on, And you still 508 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: have the hat I gave you? I gave yann know 509 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: if you remember this, I gave you an NFC West 510 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: Division champions championship had for the Cargoes from twenty fifteen. 511 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: Do you still have the hat? I had it. I 512 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: had it and then Conrad Dobler came over and he 513 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: ate it you. Did you know Conrad Dods Yeah? Yeah, okay, 514 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: former Cardinal obviously who else? Cardinals, Jim Ray Harden and 515 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: all the Cardinals from the baseball teams. And it's different, 516 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: that's a different sport. I'm I'm a football card same 517 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: deerf did you know? Yes? I did. It's just fantastic. 518 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: Larry fitz you've met Larry Fitzgerald. I remember introducing you 519 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: to Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Bidwell, the team. I was 520 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: at the Basketball Hall of Fame. Larry Fitzgerald came and 521 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: I got to sit next with him. I don't remember 522 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: you introduced me to him, and you've never introduced me 523 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: to anybody, and you just seem to, you know, to 524 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: have something in for me, trying to, you know, elbow 525 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: me out of the way. I'm just trying to get 526 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: buy out here. But I sat with Larry Fitzgerald when 527 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: Jim Gray went into the Basketball Hall of Fame, and 528 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: it was absolutely one of the special moments of my life. 529 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: I love to meet smart, interesting, curious people. Do you 530 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: do you remember when we sat with Richard Sherman during 531 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: a Stanford game. Do you remember that you called him 532 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: Bob Marley? We told him Harley. I remember he came 533 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: to the game. Richard Sherman was on the air with 534 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: us for two segments, and after the second segment we 535 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: told him he was done, and he kept the headset on, 536 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: so we just talked him for an entire half. He 537 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: was having a blast. I think he liked the fact 538 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: he called him Bob Marley. He couldn't get enough for you. No, 539 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: that guy is really, really, really good. I saw him 540 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: play after that man, and he could sing to it 541 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: and and here and that atmosphere and after I do 542 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: have to ask you. I do have to ask you 543 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: about UCLA basketball because obviously last year because football, man, 544 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: they're playing in the Holiday Bowl this year. Yeah, so 545 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: what about Yes, Kelly, Lorie and I are gonna go good. 546 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: What about what about the basketball team? How high are 547 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: you on this team? Because last year he came so 548 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: close to get into the championship. This is a football podcast, 549 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: please we talk about everything else. Mexical every twin falls, pocatella, shift, hike, hull, 550 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: go deep and I'll throw it. So, like, what was 551 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 1: it like for you emotionally last year win Gonzaga at 552 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: the last second shot? What was that like for you? 553 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Because I saw the Vino Show to show I want 554 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: to talk about Wilt. So one day at the beach, 555 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: everybody who playing volleyball, having a great time, playing cards, 556 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: having a great time, and it starts the conversation shift 557 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: to football and who's who's everybody? You said, everybody's there? Who? Yeah, 558 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean all you and people down at the beach. 559 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: So you said, Will se and Wilt and so and so. 560 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: Will says I can throw the football and everybody scoffs. 561 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: Everybody goes, yeah, right, Will and so Will Will tells 562 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: one of the other guys. He says, just go out there, 563 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: run down the beach, and I'll throw it to you. 564 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: So the guy runs down the beach, you can barely 565 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: see him, and Will keep waving them on so further further, 566 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: and everybody is just like laughing at Wilt. Will steps 567 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: back one crank of the shoulder there to loosen it up, 568 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: takes the football and throws it underhand over the guy's head, 569 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: who's now about ninety yards dallasto. Come on, now, come on, 570 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm not I was there. It was incredible. Will couldn't 571 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: do anything in ninety yards yards sey air underhand. What 572 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: were you guys doing on that beach? We were having 573 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: a great time. Yeah, I'm sure you might have thought 574 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: it went ninety yards. We were amazed and even stayed 575 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: inside the Earth's gravitational force. Did Kareem play football at all? 576 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: Did you see? I don't know he was from he 577 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: was from Manhattan, he was from you know, harm And 578 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many football players are coming out 579 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: of there, but you know, basketball was his game as 580 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: far as I'm sure he played. I mean, he's a 581 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: huge baseball fan. And what about Larry Bird, who just 582 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: turned sixty five. Did he played football at all? Larry Bird? 583 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: It's his birthday today. Well, I know, but this isn't 584 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: airing today. That's why I said this was a live show. No, 585 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: it's it's a we only did live shows and thought 586 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: about misrepresentation show, scheduled my whole day and then you 587 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: just interrupt me constantly, and then you tell me what 588 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, it sounds like the other 589 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: parts of our lives together. Have your birthday December twenty first. 590 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: By the way, we will have a Kansas and Colorado 591 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: year ten. It's hard to believe I had a full 592 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: head of hair and it was black hair ten years ago. 593 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: Although I actually worked with you in two thousand and 594 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: six on NBA, you still claim that never happened. But 595 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: I do have I know that I do have proof 596 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: that we actually didn't stay together. Tell me about tell me, okay, 597 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: you want to only talk football, your say out. So 598 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: I was give me a junior say oh story. Fine. 599 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: So I was tight end and middle linebacker. And when 600 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: I was a tight end like Kevin Winslow, I was 601 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: a middle linebacker like junior who played really anywhere. Junior 602 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: was like Lawrence Taylor, He's like dextra man. I mean, 603 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: they did not have a position. They just they watched 604 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: the other team come to the line of scrimmage and 605 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: then they figured out, Okay, they're going here, so I'm 606 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: gonna be right there and they're gonna have to change 607 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: the play seventeen MEXICALI, Dallas San Antonio, you need to 608 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: go on the Manning Cast. I have you been invited 609 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: yet by Peyton and Elie. I assume you know, yes. 610 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: I never get invited anywhere. I got invited on this show, 611 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: and I'll never be invited back. Grateful then wrote wrote 612 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: a song but wherever he goes, the people all complained 613 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: and so but Junior say Out just as fine a 614 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: human being, and we love that guy. I played basketball 615 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: one time. This would I forget when it was, but 616 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: it had been more than thirty six years ago, because 617 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to play basketball since then. And 618 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: it was a it was a charity game, right, And 619 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: it was a bunch of guys like me against a 620 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: bunch of NFL players, and Junior say Out and Kevin 621 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: Winslow and uh, it's just all these studs were playing 622 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: and it was a huge mistake on my part. Because 623 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: these guys were just out of control. I mean, it's 624 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: basically like playing against artist Gilmore with no referee. But 625 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: you just got well, you know, look, their idea, you know, 626 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: a defensive stop is to you know, just to inflake 627 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: brain damage. And so you know that that's not my 628 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: deal and uh so, but I assure having incredible respect 629 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: for those guys and I watched them play and the 630 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: skill level, the fitness level. I'm just always amazed at 631 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: the guys who have the square muscles, uh that you know, 632 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: then bulge out of their uniforms, and how fast they are, 633 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,959 Speaker 1: and the hands that he used to catch and Tom 634 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: Brady what he does each and every year just fantastic. 635 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought Brady up because I'm curious, 636 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: do you think NBA players will start playing until they're 637 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: in their early to mid forties like Tom Brady, who 638 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 1: still is at the top of his game at his age. 639 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: I have never met anybody who voluntarily retired from basketball. 640 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: The only guy I met who did that was Ernie 641 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Van Dewey, Kiki's dad, who in those days when he 642 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: played in the fifties, one of the founding fathers of 643 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: the NBA. As a player. You know, salaries were five 644 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and Ernie came from a well to do family, 645 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: and so he said, I'm not to do this for 646 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So he you know, he became a 647 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: doctor and married Miss America, who was the sister of 648 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: one of his teammates on the Knicks, and moved to 649 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: move to Los Angeles and then the the mansion on 650 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: the hill right across the street from UCLA. And so, 651 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: but Karl Malone didn't stop playing because he wanted to. 652 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: John Stockton, Kareem, Vince Carter. These guys don't stop because 653 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: you want to. It stops because they can't play anymore. 654 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: Lebron Chris Paul. You could see guys, those guys, I mean, 655 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: they don't I hope so, because they're sure fun to watch, 656 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, the the incredible opportunities, and 657 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, the more money you make, the more good 658 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: things you can do in the world, and so you know, 659 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a great way and the business of sport has 660 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: changed completely. Did you ever watch that movie Al Davis 661 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: and Pete Roselle that that yes, that was Yeah, it's 662 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: fantastic and tremendous movie and uh so with Al Davis. 663 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of time in the Bay 664 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: Area during the seventies and for a lot of different reasons. 665 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: And I'd always go in and to Francesco's right near 666 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: the Oakland Airport, and how would be in there having 667 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: lunch or dinner every time, and we just sit and 668 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: talk and just uh dream and drift and go all 669 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: over the place. And he'd tell me everything he knew, 670 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: and I would try to tell him about the few 671 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: things that I knew, and all the different experiences that 672 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: we would have, and then John Madden would be there 673 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: and it was just a wonderful, wonderful time. So but 674 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: now I'm now I'm in today's game. I know more 675 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: the owners that's as opposed to the players and the coaches. 676 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 1: And the culture has changed in sports because of the 677 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: incredible success that David Stern has brought across the board 678 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: to all sports. Is that there's no longer the interaction 679 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: with the fans. I mean, the experiences that I had 680 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: clinging on that fence watching the San Diego Charger legend 681 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: that are you still get to do that. You still 682 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: can go to training camp practices. There are plenty of 683 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals practices where you can go to and training camp 684 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: and go sit in the stadium, get autographs after the game. 685 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: I do again. I want to talk to the UCLA 686 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: basketball I just want your thoughts on what you've seen 687 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: too far, because we're going to talk about in a 688 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: different podcast. We can't. This is the only podcast. This 689 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: is the only podcast, the only day fash podcast that's 690 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: going to run. This is the only time you're on. 691 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: So let's get it in here. We don't need to 692 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: do that. So you're not going to answer that it's 693 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: bad enough you want to answer my question about basketball 694 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: during a basketball broadcast. I do that all the time. 695 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: That's all we do is look. I look around in 696 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: your studio there, and you've got a countdown clock which 697 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: shows that the Cardinals to go before the game starts. 698 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: And so let's just talk about the beauty of this 699 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: game and how many wonderful people have played this game football, 700 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: who have been able to create a world where someone 701 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: like me could just get so much out of it 702 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: and to be able to spend the time over the 703 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: years with all the different guys who I've mentioned, and 704 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: I just want to express because at the beginning they 705 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: gave me to that already he already purpose. What it 706 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: really gave me at the end was pride, loyalty, and gratitude. 707 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 1: The satisfaction with the choice that I made to ride 708 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: my bike up to Sunset Park, the loyalty that I 709 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: developed with all my personal friendships with all these guys. 710 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: And then the gratitude they respect, the admiration, appreciation because 711 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: I know these football players, man, they go through a lot, 712 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: their bodies get destroyed. Well, you can relate. I mean 713 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: you you had a rough. I'm doing great. I know 714 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: you're doing great. Now. I'm talking about when you're playing. 715 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: You know you obviously went through a lot, and you 716 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: touched on that earlier. By the way, we don't take 717 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: forty five seconds. You have forty seconds, ten seconds. Nine. 718 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: Have you eaten any cupcakes lately and have they been 719 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: lit when you've eaten them? Yes, I do that regularly. 720 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: I like my food hot and that This year's PACK 721 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: twelve media day in San Francisco, on the rooftop high 722 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: above the rest of downtown San Francisco, they had a 723 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: great display of cupcakes. I lit all the candles and 724 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: I way too many cupcakes that day. Oh, it was 725 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: fantastic your shoulder that we're at a time the game 726 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: is going to start. Do you do you burn your 727 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: mouth when you do that, because you've done it now 728 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: several cans. Well, that's true. Your teeth aren't real, so 729 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to know. All right, I'll let you go. 730 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: I love my teeth, I love being alive, I love football. 731 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: I have incredible respect for all these guys or what 732 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: they've done. I mean, these dudes are tough. So you 733 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 1: got nothing on the Cardinals, nothing on the two twenty 734 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: one NFL season, nothing, nothing on the Buccaneers, on Aaron Rodgers, 735 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: on the Packers. I'm working Cardinals, Cardinals, Rams, Monday night 736 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: footballing on this game when you've got nothing one today? 737 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: What's today besides Larry Bird's birthday? And then it sprinkled 738 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: in San Diego today for the first time in memory. 739 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: So when I see you in Boulder, are you going 740 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: to ignore me? I'm going to be high in the 741 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: Rockies looking for roaming buffalo who are starting stampeding for 742 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: fresh fields of green grass. That's what I'm going to 743 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: be looking for. Are you going to ignore me before 744 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: tip off as usual or since it's the first time 745 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: I'm seeing you since March at the Pactical Tournament. Will 746 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: you at least acknowledge me? What's your name? What are 747 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: we doing? What time does the game start? Boulder the 748 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: launching pad to the universe. Paul Horney, Oh my gosh, 749 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,240 Speaker 1: what a what a spiritual force of angel bart Star. 750 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Again these real players from like thirty 751 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: years ago? All right? Who care? I said? When I 752 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: started this thing. They were the people who made me 753 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: love football? And did I ever love football? Man? And 754 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: then to hear on the radio, you know, Ray Scott, 755 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: he made me fall in love with football. It was 756 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible, all these guys. And then I got to 757 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: work with all of them. Did Scott what, Kurt Couty? 758 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: You did games with them, You broadcast with Ray Scott 759 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: and yet to broadcast a football game. That's what I know, 760 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: a basketball that's one of my dreams. Well, hey, there's 761 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: an invitation here. You want to come to a game 762 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: with me sometime? Do a Cardinals game season? What's your name? 763 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: What are you so? What? Analyst? What? I thought you 764 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: were just a fan, But you're a fan that had 765 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: a podcast and just wanted to talk about football. And 766 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: then I call in here and we're already in overtime. Yep, 767 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: because you talk so long with I didn't even get 768 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: a question. So Ron Wolfley is who I do the 769 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: Cardinal Games that there are a lot of people that 770 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: want to hear you and Ron Wolfley on a broadcast. 771 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: Oh Wolfee, let's go how already if you lead us 772 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: in with Werewolves of London? How that can be arranged? 773 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: That can arranged? All right? So as a as a 774 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: young person to hear the broadcasters that that have had 775 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: such an impact on my life. For the Jack Buck 776 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: and Hank Stram, their show was over the top. How 777 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: do you know Joe at all? Did you get to 778 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: know Joe Buck at all? I know Joe little? Yeah, Okay, 779 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm trying to trying to tie this to 780 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Jack and Joe both connected opposite. Is the 781 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: same those Cardinals days? Yeah, that was Saint Louis Is. 782 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 1: It's still the same team when they even though the 783 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: same team just a different names. Louis. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, 784 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: I got thrown off Nelson Man oh wow, and then 785 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: Dick Stock and all these ledge and the fact that 786 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: that I've been able to develop lifelong friendships with these 787 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: guys and learn from them so much. Yeah, all right, 788 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: so we're gonna do We're gonna somehow orchestrate for being 789 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: a part of a Cardinals broadcast at some point. And 790 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: it's probably preseason because in the regular season you actually 791 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: have to talk about the game. And it's radio. And 792 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: I know you always say that when I'm doing TV. 793 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm doing that. It's not radio radio different radio, right, 794 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: So you like, you don't we just put it on TV? 795 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: Why don't we just put it on a YouTube chet 796 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: That's why I said preseason. It is TV, so there's 797 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: a little bit more room. Yeah. Yeah, we'll do it 798 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: on TV next year. All right, again, we'll be in touch. Now. 799 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: Branch is still doing the Raider games, right, he does 800 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yes, you're looking live. Oh my god, Branch 801 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 1: job that he did in that Al Davis Pete Roselle movie. 802 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, Charlie Joe, which was instrumental in me, 803 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: uh taking this plunge to be on this show. I 804 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: would never have been on this show I had not 805 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: been for Charlie Jones. Now you're talking about getting into broadcasting. Yeah, well, Charlie, 806 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: you know he moved. He's from Arkansas. But Dick Enberg too. 807 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 1: I thought you and Dick Enberg were really close when 808 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: he was the Lola Games who you were playing there? Yeah, 809 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: but Dick was our Dick was our local broadcaster. Yeah. 810 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: And then he went on to as great a career 811 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: as anybody's ever had. But you can say that about 812 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: Kurt Goudy, about Brent Musberger, about a lot of these guys, 813 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: and and so all these guys, you know, were fabulously 814 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: encouraging and supportive of me. And and then I met you. 815 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: And on that note, Bill over time, ohaha, seventeen shift left, 816 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: you go along, fake draw, I'm running, get out of 817 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,359 Speaker 1: the way, stiff arm. Yeah, in your face. Thank you, Bill. 818 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:09,720 Speaker 1: What's your name again? So there you go, Bill Walton 819 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: for about fifty minutes, talking most of those fifty minutes 820 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: about football and the history of the game and a 821 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: lot of the players that he grew up loving. And 822 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: then also Will Chamberlain. That story was interesting, throwing of 823 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,959 Speaker 1: all ninety yards underhand. Somehow, I think Bill's memory about 824 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 1: that might have been clouded by an external factor as 825 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: they were hanging out together on a beach. I'm just guessing. 826 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: But also a very serious story that Bill told that 827 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: I'd never heard before, just knowing Bill's injury history and 828 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: how it cost him a good part of his career, 829 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: and how he went to law school at Stanford in 830 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: between his career as an NBA MVP with the Blazers 831 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: and then going back and winning a championship with the Celtics, 832 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: and how the first time he ran was when he 833 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: was playing football with his four sons out on the street. 834 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: I'd never heard that before, so that was interesting, and 835 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: Bill is always entertaining. Hopefully you enjoyed this edition of 836 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. If you didn't, I apologize. We'll 837 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: get back to football next week with Chris Spielman, and 838 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: then in a couple of weeks you'll hear from former 839 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: Cardinals Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton. We are presented by 840 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 841 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,800 Speaker 1: and by Hilo River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow 842 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at Pashpod. You can hear clips from 843 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: previous podcasts, and also there'll be news about upcoming guests. 844 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: Thanks again to Hall of Famer Bill Walton, and thanks 845 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: to you for listening to the Dave Pash podcast Happy 846 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: Everything Forever,