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Speaker 1: presentation of Dallas Cowboys breaking News. Football is back, and
Speaker 1: so is the preseason as it's officially underway. Last night,
Speaker 1: Thursday night in Canton, Ohio, the Dallas Cowboys took on
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers and fell sixteen, the three to final score.
Speaker 1: And we're here in Oxnard, California and the site of
Speaker 1: Cowboys training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by American Airlines,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna break it all down for you here
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Kyle you Oomen's alongside David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. We've got Nick Eatman and Rob Phillips coming
Speaker 1: up a little bit later on in the show. But
Speaker 1: you guys get the first take, the first swings at
Speaker 1: it in terms of what you saw last in Canton.
Speaker 1: And I'm go ahead and start with Mickey, since you
Speaker 1: were actually on site at Tom Benson Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: Stadium yesterday, what were your first accounts of this twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one season. Well, I was reminded of preseason was
Speaker 1: really preseason. Football's back. Everybody I was really looking forward
Speaker 1: to where you were gonna go with. Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: was the lead to my column. It's like, oh, so
Speaker 1: that's what we missed last year, right, pretty dull game,
Speaker 1: But you know what, both teams kind of did the
Speaker 1: same thing. Very few starters played on either side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I think Pittsburgh had maybe three guys playing
Speaker 1: on offense and defense that were starters. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of what you expected. So I think you have
Speaker 1: to kind of put the thing in context. You throw
Speaker 1: out the score, it really uh doesn't matter, I thought
Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint. Uh, you know, Garrett Gilbert had
Speaker 1: some nice moments. You know, the protection wasn't the best,
Speaker 1: which was one of the worst things I think happened
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys with playing all backups after that second
Speaker 1: to series. It reminded me why alternative football leagues don't work,
Speaker 1: because there's not enough offensive linemen to go around, and
Speaker 1: there's not enough to go around in the NFL on
Speaker 1: your second and third team. And if the offensive line
Speaker 1: can't block, the quarterback can't operate, and if the quarterback
Speaker 1: can operate, the wide receivers can operate. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was sort of the downfall of the Cowboys. But
Speaker 1: on the bright side, I think Michael Parsons definitely showed
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys selected him with the twelfth pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. And I think you have to remember that
Speaker 1: he had not played a game until since late December.
Speaker 1: I think it was December twenty eighth in the Cotton
Speaker 1: Bowl of twenty nineteen, and that was his first real game.
Speaker 1: And he went out there and I felt like every
Speaker 1: play he was out there, I was writing something down
Speaker 1: about him. So, uh he was awfully, awfully good. Um.
Speaker 1: And then after that, defensively, it's you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to pick out other guys. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: at times they didn't get much of a pass rush, um,
Speaker 1: but they did kind of stop the run a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh So you know, all in all, probably the absolute
Speaker 1: best thing is is they emerged without an injury. There.
Speaker 1: It is there, it is Nicky. That's the one. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you use some of that thing.
Speaker 1: Do we have to do the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's go, let's stand off. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: They got out of it healthy, um, you know, right,
Speaker 1: like just thinking about what you just said, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: somewhere through the somewhere halfway through the third quarter, I
Speaker 1: was like, what are we even getting out of watching
Speaker 1: the rest of this? Like it was? It was just messy.
Speaker 1: It's hard to evaluate the quarterback other than the fact,
Speaker 1: I mean, Ben d Nucci went full shortstop last night.
Speaker 1: I feel like we hadn't We haven't been seeing that
Speaker 1: as much out here at camp. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he reverted to that because the protection was bad, or
Speaker 1: maybe just in the adrenaline at the moment, but it
Speaker 1: was hard to evaluate the whole picture with the offensive
Speaker 1: line play being as bad as it was. The same
Speaker 1: can be said on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I guess my predominant impressions were the guys that did
Speaker 1: get in looked good. Michael Parsons looked pretty good. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, the rookies had a nice showing. Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: got to make some plays in the second half of
Speaker 1: that game. Even you know, Nishan Wright gave up the
Speaker 1: big completion to Chase Claypool. Thought that was a definite pushoff.
Speaker 1: Thought it was fun to see him compete out there.
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins probably played six snaps, but it looked like
Speaker 1: they were running right behind him. When he was in there,
Speaker 1: he looked good. And nobody's hurt. Yes, nobody's hurt. And
Speaker 1: we're back in Oxnard, which and you think about you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna be practicing what twenty five twenty six
Speaker 1: hours from now, so clean bullet health coming out the
Speaker 1: first preseason game is my big, big takeaway, And Mike
Speaker 1: reemphasized after the game the fact that he had to
Speaker 1: regulate snaps in that game knowing that they had a
Speaker 1: practice against the Rams on Saturday. So that's why you
Speaker 1: might have seen some guys come out a lot quicker.
Speaker 1: They may use them more in the in the scrimmage,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they they wore out that third string office.
Speaker 1: I think I think Mike was being judicious with his
Speaker 1: better players, knowing that they need to get some work
Speaker 1: against their Rams. But but I love that like the
Speaker 1: And I'm the guy that's always worried about injuries and
Speaker 1: you don't want anybody to get hurt, But you can't
Speaker 1: afford to be as worried about that with your down
Speaker 1: the line guys. You say, Jabril Cox, you haven't had
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities in training camp. Get out there
Speaker 1: and be somebody My man get out there and play
Speaker 1: forty snaps or however many he got. And it was
Speaker 1: fun to see a lot of those guys get that
Speaker 1: type of action where they didn't need to come out.
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get to see a
Speaker 1: I would imagine a preseason NFL record ninety nine and
Speaker 1: a half yard run by Rico Dowdle. He almost broke it.
Speaker 1: A guy got him by by his shoe string and
Speaker 1: they had one other guy. He had one guy. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was it was And he said it afterwards, He goes, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was ninety nine and a half yarkards because they
Speaker 1: had the false start and they backed him up two inches.
Speaker 1: He actually had a good game. He I thought he
Speaker 1: did a really nice job. He was hitting the hole
Speaker 1: if you looked at the other guys that well. And
Speaker 1: in sue Sue, I like that. We got to see
Speaker 1: two back and got to see him in a one
Speaker 1: back set, so I might bode well for him. Uh,
Speaker 1: trying to make this this final roster, I I would
Speaker 1: put Rico Dowdle's name on my fifty three in pin
Speaker 1: like a yeah, oh absolutely, I think I mean he
Speaker 1: was he made he made it last year. He was
Speaker 1: impressive enough to make it without the preseason. You would
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get a lot of run. He's got juice,
Speaker 1: he's a surprisingly like he's an underrated receiver. We've seen
Speaker 1: it out here at camp. He did it yesterday, caught
Speaker 1: a ball or two coming out of the flat, and
Speaker 1: I just think he has differentiated himself from all the
Speaker 1: other backs here not named Zeke or Tony. Yeah, and Shawell,
Speaker 1: you know the practice squad is gonna be fifteen guys. Again,
Speaker 1: he gives you something as a fullback, as a runner,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I don't know about the fifty three
Speaker 1: for Shawell, but I think both of these guys will
Speaker 1: be in the locker room this Yeah, I oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: And you know he had it didn't end up in
Speaker 1: a touchdown on the goal line, but he had a
Speaker 1: big block to clear out a hole and then somebody
Speaker 1: didn't do their job on the offensive line. So I like,
Speaker 1: and I like the way he ran the ball. He
Speaker 1: caught the ball, so yeah, I was. I was impressed
Speaker 1: with him. But dontal you noticed the difference between him
Speaker 1: and those other backs behind him. Yes, they were dancing
Speaker 1: around before they hit the hole. He hit the hole
Speaker 1: the way, you're supposed to five point four yards per carry.
Speaker 1: For doubt will he ended up with eight carries for
Speaker 1: forty three yards long of twenty five, which was by
Speaker 1: far the most impressive, maybe the most impressive offensive play
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had over the course of the game. Maybe
Speaker 1: the other one was siwo Ilana Lua's seventeen yard reception.
Speaker 1: He had out and wide to the right, got a
Speaker 1: really good block from I believe it was Malite Turner
Speaker 1: on the outside. I have to go back and watch
Speaker 1: the film, but I think both of those guys showed
Speaker 1: that they can be versatile in the backfield. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the offensive line, and sure the protection was definitely not
Speaker 1: ideal yesterday. From really all three standpoints, the first, second,
Speaker 1: third string guys quote unquote, I should say rotations of guys.
Speaker 1: Out of the six most utilized players last night in
Speaker 1: terms of snap counts, all six were offensive lineman. Matt
Speaker 1: Farniok led the way with sixty two snaps. Second was
Speaker 1: Brandon Night with fifty two, Then Braylon Jones, then Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: Isaac Alacron, and Eric Smith. Those were the top six
Speaker 1: snap getters in the entire game, so they wore those
Speaker 1: guys out. They absolutely did. Now, Michael Parsons got eleven
Speaker 1: snaps yesterday to match his jersey number. And of course
Speaker 1: you like you said, the recovery on the fumble in
Speaker 1: the first drive was something that was really encouraging to see.
Speaker 1: That was a big confidence boost, I think for a
Speaker 1: rookie in his first defensive drive. But he also made
Speaker 1: three tackles, he had one run stop. He did look impressive. Dave,
Speaker 1: what did you see out of Micah Parsons yesterday? That
Speaker 1: really bodes well for the rest of the preseason and
Speaker 1: getting into the regular season. I mean there you can
Speaker 1: take both sides that. Obviously, you know, the fumble recovery
Speaker 1: wasn't really anything that Micah Parsons did. It was a
Speaker 1: bumbled exchange, but by place right time. No, that there's
Speaker 1: something to be said for that, and that's what he's
Speaker 1: done out here, Like he's around the football and people
Speaker 1: always say that's not necessarily a thing that you can coach,
Speaker 1: Like instincts are a big part of this. So you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't force the fumble. It wasn't some crazy amazing play,
Speaker 1: But you put yourself in those positions, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to make a lot of plays. You know, we were
Speaker 1: talking about this right before we came on. I think
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus said he was one of the highest
Speaker 1: graded players in the game, the number one defensive graded
Speaker 1: player on the Cowboys roster. Eleven snaps, okay against that,
Speaker 1: and it was actually was eleven of thirteen potential snaps
Speaker 1: because he only played those first two series and I
Speaker 1: counted up the plays. I was going to give him thirteen,
Speaker 1: but he did come out. They did some rotation, rotation
Speaker 1: stuff that first series. Point being it's a very small
Speaker 1: body of work against a mainly second string Steelers offense. Like,
Speaker 1: I think he played very well. I'm very encouraged. And again,
Speaker 1: like I think of it as like a staircase, like
Speaker 1: you start at the bottom. OTAs was super encouraging. Another step,
Speaker 1: he's you know, mixing and matching his identities. He's doing
Speaker 1: some play calling stuff out here. Another step, he goes
Speaker 1: into his first preseason game. I mean, that's about as
Speaker 1: good as you can expect a first preseason game to
Speaker 1: look if you're only playing eleven snaps. So he just
Speaker 1: and he hasn't taken a step down that I've seen,
Speaker 1: Like he's just continually taking steps up. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was the guy that wasn't sure what his role
Speaker 1: was going to be or whether he'd be able to
Speaker 1: unseat some of these starters right away. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to bet against him at this point. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, he just keeps checking the boxes, keeps working
Speaker 1: his way up, stacking good days. To quote somebody who
Speaker 1: used to work here for a really long on top
Speaker 1: of each other, right, absolutely, and you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: the neatest thing. And I used it in my column
Speaker 1: for this morning. After he got done on the podium
Speaker 1: um doing his interview after the game, he was getting
Speaker 1: ready to walk off and some guy walks up to
Speaker 1: him says, hey, coach T wants to say hi. Well,
Speaker 1: he was talking about Mike Tomlin. Wow. And Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: came around the corner and looked at him. And you
Speaker 1: know Tomlin when he gets that look in his eye
Speaker 1: and he goes, you do your thing, You keep doing
Speaker 1: your thing, just like he like he knew him, Like
Speaker 1: you know, they had some sort of prior relationship because
Speaker 1: you know Harrisburg, Pennsylvania not far and then Penn's days.
Speaker 1: You say, the head coach of the Steelers probably keeps
Speaker 1: a close eye on what's happen. I would imagine he
Speaker 1: knew him and he he and he kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of popped him on the on the chest and
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, there's a big compliment from the
Speaker 1: the guy on the other side who might have if
Speaker 1: he had a chance, and I didn't look. I forgot
Speaker 1: where Pittsburgh drafted. They were back. They were back because
Speaker 1: they took it was at Claypool. That's right, Harris. That
Speaker 1: was last year. Yeah, and so yeah, he was. He
Speaker 1: was pretty complimentary of what he did. So, yeah, good
Speaker 1: start for a guy. It was funny. They sort of
Speaker 1: asked him and he goes, no, he goes, you know what,
Speaker 1: he goes. I wasn't nervous, he goes, I was more
Speaker 1: nervous in college games than I was in this one.
Speaker 1: He goes, because the what we do defensively was very
Speaker 1: similar some of the plays we run defensively to what
Speaker 1: I did at Penn State. But again, he hadn't done
Speaker 1: it because he didn't play last year. So to come
Speaker 1: out and play like that and did it in front
Speaker 1: of his family, I think he was pretty He was
Speaker 1: pretty pretty happy, although at halftime when they interviewed him,
Speaker 1: he mentioned he made some of the mistakes. Well yeah, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: no one's perfect, right, but boy, uh that that was
Speaker 1: a performance to let everybody know cowboys got something here.
Speaker 1: He's impressive and that's you know, it's one. You know,
Speaker 1: we're all out here at camp. You see the grainy
Speaker 1: cell phone videos that hit the internet. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: people are excited for this game because it's their first
Speaker 1: look at the team in HD with all the camera
Speaker 1: angles and you're not seeing it the same way through
Speaker 1: my cell phone camera as you are in a game, right,
Speaker 1: And I think fans should be excited that first opportunity.
Speaker 1: You know, National TV. He showed up for sure, well,
Speaker 1: and they did the same thing with him that they've
Speaker 1: been doing out here. He started off when they went
Speaker 1: base four to three the strong side linebacker and then
Speaker 1: he started playing the middle linebacker on the nickel rotation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Yeah, he did definitely look good. We'll ask
Speaker 1: him again whenever Week one comes around. He's got to
Speaker 1: face Tom Brady. If he's nervous for that one, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll ask him. If it's not Tom Benson Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Stadium and instead it's against the reigning champions then
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be a little nervous. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the quarterback spot a little bit, and Dave you
Speaker 1: mentioned it right off the top. It was really hard
Speaker 1: to evaluate some of these guys. But I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with Garrett Gilbert actually looked pretty good overall, nine of
Speaker 1: thirteen passing one hundred and four yards. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a touchdown, didn't have an interception, but he had a
Speaker 1: ninety three point one passer rating. Looked confident. I think
Speaker 1: in the pocket, he looked like an NFL quarterback, somebody
Speaker 1: who could step up in an emergency situation. What were
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what Garrett Gilbert did last night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you summed it up really well. I just
Speaker 1: I thought he looked comfortable. I thought he looked poised.
Speaker 1: Im you know, I'm not convinced that this is the
Speaker 1: best that the Cowboys can do in terms of finding
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. I think, you know, I think and
Speaker 1: that I said that last night. I think Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: is competing against whatever else is in the league right now.
Speaker 1: He is competing against somebody else's guy who's gonna get
Speaker 1: cut or yea. And not to throw out a specific name.
Speaker 1: But you know, there are players making too much money
Speaker 1: for their station on the team. Maybe you talk about trades,
Speaker 1: maybe you talk about being roster casualties. That's his competition,
Speaker 1: because I really I think he is clear cut much
Speaker 1: better than the other two guys on this team. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, Cooper Rush wasn't he wasn't terrible. He had
Speaker 1: some really nice throws. His throwed them a leak turner
Speaker 1: that wound up being wound up being a fumble. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a heck of a throw,
Speaker 1: but I thought there were accuracy issues there. I thought
Speaker 1: the ball didn't look as good coming out of his
Speaker 1: hand to me as it did for Garrett Um. Obviously
Speaker 1: the offense bogged out in the red zone when Garrett
Speaker 1: was in there, but let him downfield. It looked smooth
Speaker 1: and somewhat efficient when he was in there, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you could say the same for the other two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked like he was in control U A couple
Speaker 1: of times, he might have held the ball a little
Speaker 1: long and then you don't know if there was nothing
Speaker 1: there and he just didn't decide Okay, I'm just throw
Speaker 1: this away. But yeah, he you know, he had the one.
Speaker 1: The fumble was a sack, but but you know he
Speaker 1: drove him. He had drives, you know, they're what was
Speaker 1: It was first in goal at the five yard line, right,
Speaker 1: and they run the ball with Dottle uh up the middle.
Speaker 1: That was the play that I thought. Uh Alana Lua
Speaker 1: had a nice block, but they only got one yard
Speaker 1: out of it. Second down Nasecki gets just blown up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so uh it ended up in a sack minus
Speaker 1: seven yards. And then third and goal at the eleven
Speaker 1: here comes uh. I think it was it was seventeen.
Speaker 1: I think they blitzed um. Anyway, Nasecki didn't pick up
Speaker 1: the blitz and he and so it kind of blew
Speaker 1: up the play. So oh, I know what it was.
Speaker 1: He blew up. He blew up the play and uh
Speaker 1: Turner broke up the pass. It would have been an interception, right,
Speaker 1: That's what happened. I had seventeen written down here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: um so, but you know he drove the ball, and
Speaker 1: I think that McCarthy talked about it afterwards, talked about
Speaker 1: how we had long drive. You want to see the
Speaker 1: case in preseason games. You want to see stacked on.
Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly, and then uh yeah, Rush had some
Speaker 1: nice passes. But boy, you mentioned the ball just doesn't
Speaker 1: come out of his hand quick. It's like we's got
Speaker 1: this long arm thing, right, it kind of dies when
Speaker 1: it has to go, yeah, like if it's got to
Speaker 1: go to the boundary or go too far outside. And
Speaker 1: then Denucci up and down. You know, he had a
Speaker 1: couple of nice passes. Now he was working with what
Speaker 1: we used to call in high school the nuts squad.
Speaker 1: You know. It was like that's when I got to
Speaker 1: go practice. By the way, his time, Okay, what do
Speaker 1: we need out there? Because I go play that position, right,
Speaker 1: we gotta arrest somebody. Uh but uh yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a couple of errant throws and then again holding the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was one of the thing I
Speaker 1: thought he was starting to do better out here. He
Speaker 1: was getting the ball out of his hands, but the
Speaker 1: hair he started holding it and then he had to
Speaker 1: run um. But again, he just hasn't played much football,
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens there. But I think Dave's right, Uh,
Speaker 1: Gilbert's competing against the rest of the league. If somebody
Speaker 1: gets released, it's yeah, it's hard to imagine somebody on
Speaker 1: this team other than him being the backup quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's also you look at it at the same
Speaker 1: right and saying, are you feeling comfortable with him at
Speaker 1: the backup spot, because right now it's not a for
Speaker 1: sure yes and not a yes. We know how important
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback spot is so last year, right, so
Speaker 1: see it right now in camp DA Dak was out
Speaker 1: there doing some rehab this morning, and it's my understanding
Speaker 1: that you know, we may not see him until we
Speaker 1: get back to the Star Yeah, and it you know,
Speaker 1: if he plays, it might be the Houston game. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he needs uh. And it wasn't portrayed to me as
Speaker 1: a setback. It was always it was gonna take this
Speaker 1: long to recover from that injury, and we call it
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury. But finally got showed to me where
Speaker 1: it was. And it's the muscle from your back that
Speaker 1: comes underneath your arm. Yeah here, and and that's what
Speaker 1: the problem is. I saw somebody say, yeah, he's throwing
Speaker 1: with his shoulder or or no, they said he was
Speaker 1: throwing with his left shoulder. I said, no, you don't
Speaker 1: throw with your shoulder, you throw with your arm, right.
Speaker 1: But I don't know who wrote that. We had a
Speaker 1: really you might have which you saw so much more
Speaker 1: than we did last night. But one thing we got
Speaker 1: to see what They interviewed him on Fox at halftime
Speaker 1: and Darry Bradshaw put him right on the spot and
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's just what you just said. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's under your shoulder, right, it's not like your labor
Speaker 1: room or your rotator cuff. And God bless Dac, he
Speaker 1: was like, yep, that's right. Anyway, yeah, anyway, if you
Speaker 1: want to give away too much, he literally was like, yep,
Speaker 1: you're right, but we're not gonna talk about it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do like cockey. It's an upper body injury. I
Speaker 1: don't know anybody trying to hit me underneath my arm,
Speaker 1: but that that was the deal. And it wasn't from
Speaker 1: throwing too much. I was told that it was one throw.
Speaker 1: He tried to throw a deep ball and he threw
Speaker 1: it weird at a at a weird arm slot angle. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that's would cause the injury. So it wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't throw enough. His arm was tired at nothing
Speaker 1: to hire an LB pitching coach. Yeah, and so you
Speaker 1: know he had somebody working with him out there. I
Speaker 1: didn't recognize who the person was, but they they I
Speaker 1: guess somebody wrote that the Cowboys had contacted the Rangers
Speaker 1: about pitching because pitchers have that injury. Um usually football
Speaker 1: players don't. So he's worked with an old MLB pitching
Speaker 1: coach before. I wonder if and that could have been.
Speaker 1: Um So kind of downplayed that the other day on
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys and then they go out and do it.
Speaker 1: So he was, he was, he would, he would. He
Speaker 1: had the like medicine ball, and he was doing these
Speaker 1: things with it, like throwing it to the side for
Speaker 1: people that are actually watching us right now, I'm diagramming it.
Speaker 1: Um So. Yeah, but we'll see where that one goes,
Speaker 1: because you know, you better have somebody ready just in case. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's I was thinking about this today. It's a funny.
Speaker 1: It's ironic. It's an ironic lesson to learn because you
Speaker 1: know what do we always do, like we roll our
Speaker 1: eyes when coaches don't want to give timelines. Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: just tell us what's what. Well, McCarthy did that and
Speaker 1: he probably regrets it now because it because you know,
Speaker 1: McCarthy said two or three days, and it becomes a
Speaker 1: story when Dak doesn't meet that timeline. But I don't
Speaker 1: think their opinion of what this injury was has changed
Speaker 1: in that entire time. It's just don't put yourself on
Speaker 1: a timeline because then if for some reason you need
Speaker 1: to change it, everybody freaks out. And and Dak didn't
Speaker 1: help things when he when he basically said during that interview, well,
Speaker 1: if I was in a game, I wouldn't have come
Speaker 1: a way through it, right or if it happened during
Speaker 1: the week, I would have done whatever I need to
Speaker 1: do the play. Well, they've got time here, so might
Speaker 1: as well use the time that's on your side. No
Speaker 1: reason to rush things with Dak Prescott. Now, one of
Speaker 1: the things last night with Ben da Nucci, and we
Speaker 1: just talked about how he kind of reverted back to
Speaker 1: some of his old ways and some of the at
Speaker 1: least found fundamentally wise, did not look good last night. Now,
Speaker 1: he's not expected to be your backup quarterback. He is
Speaker 1: a developmental player. But did anything last night, Dave change
Speaker 1: your mind about Ben da Nucci and what he could
Speaker 1: be moving forward. It's a preseason game, it's really only
Speaker 1: his second real NFL action. What else do we see
Speaker 1: from Ben da Nucci? I and I said this last night,
Speaker 1: and you know, Twitter during a Cowboys game is not
Speaker 1: a great place for nuance. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know that, but or the next morning. Yeah, well really ever, um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dead serious when I say this. Remember a
Speaker 1: few years ago how much use they got out of
Speaker 1: Jamille Showers as a Scout team quarterback. And yeah, he
Speaker 1: had the athleticism and obviously played in college. He is
Speaker 1: a developmental guy. And you see, like Bend new she
Speaker 1: has an impressive amount of athleticism. He gets outside the
Speaker 1: pocket very easily, probably too much, although I can't blame
Speaker 1: him too much considering the level of the protection there,
Speaker 1: especially last night. But I mean he can make plays
Speaker 1: on the move and get outside the pocket, whether that's
Speaker 1: scrambling for yards or buying himself time. And I think
Speaker 1: that makes him valuable as a Scout team quarterback in
Speaker 1: the sense of, Okay, we're you know, we're playing a
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback this week. We need you to give us
Speaker 1: some looks, We need you to do this and that.
Speaker 1: I think he has real value there and that could
Speaker 1: give him a chance to continue to play and develop
Speaker 1: his skill set. I hadn't seen anything going into that
Speaker 1: game that made me think he needed to be on
Speaker 1: the fifty three, and I definitely didn't see anything last
Speaker 1: night that changes that opinion. So I think he could
Speaker 1: have a future here at continuing to develop and help
Speaker 1: them in practice as a practice squad quarterback. But it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to see anything else based on anything
Speaker 1: we've seen to this point. There are still three more games,
Speaker 1: but that's how I feel right now. He's competing to
Speaker 1: be the developmental quarterback, whether that's the third one on
Speaker 1: the fifty three or if they think he can get
Speaker 1: through waivers to put him on the practice squad. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's got to be his job. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, other than being a seventh
Speaker 1: round draft choice instead of a fourth he's sorted in
Speaker 1: the same situation when the Cowboys drafted Dak Prescott. He
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the third guy. He was competing
Speaker 1: to be a developmental guy that could potentially down the
Speaker 1: road be your backup quarterback. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: and we know how things turned out, but I think
Speaker 1: that's what Denucci. That's got to be his goal, to
Speaker 1: be the developmental quarter everybody's got one, because look, go
Speaker 1: look at other rosters and see who the third and
Speaker 1: fourth quarterback are on some of these other teams, and
Speaker 1: you'll be sitting there going who round quarterbacks from small
Speaker 1: schools that didn't have a ton of college and go
Speaker 1: back and look in some of these I bet half
Speaker 1: the teams in the league are looking at their backup
Speaker 1: quarterback scratching their head right now. So they're just not
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys out there. And there's definitely, I mean,
Speaker 1: there aren't enough good quarterback X for all thirty two
Speaker 1: starting jobs. Say that every year I do just you know,
Speaker 1: with and you know, y'all can get into that and
Speaker 1: weird we already have. But like there's a billion dbs
Speaker 1: on this team fighting for roster spots. The defensive line
Speaker 1: is a mess in terms of how many do you
Speaker 1: keep and who and to this point, and they don't
Speaker 1: ask for my opinion, we all know that. But to
Speaker 1: this point, I haven't seen anything that makes me think, well,
Speaker 1: they gotta have they gotta keep a third quarterback. They
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, plenty of NFL teams keep two
Speaker 1: and have a guy on the practice squad. And I
Speaker 1: just think this team has more pressing needs and we
Speaker 1: haven't seen enough from any of the quarterbacks not named
Speaker 1: Dak or Gilbert too that they should be worried about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you want to go long in the secondary, right,
Speaker 1: you might need an extra spot. If you want to
Speaker 1: go long at the running backs, you know, Allana Luau,
Speaker 1: you know, want them on. There's a spot there if
Speaker 1: you want them on the fifty three. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think at this point, unless something dramatically changes, you know,
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, uh, and and Gilbert needs to continue to
Speaker 1: step up to be that guy ready to go. Unless
Speaker 1: some team that drafted one of these quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: first round says, okay, he won the job. I've got
Speaker 1: an expendable uh, you know, backup veteran quarterback who has
Speaker 1: started games in this league. And it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what happens in Chicago. That's that's the one. That's
Speaker 1: the one. But that's the thing is that there are
Speaker 1: thirty other teams looking at Chicago well along with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And depending on how much money you have now and
Speaker 1: you know what it's going to cost. My thought is, though,
Speaker 1: if if, if you're unemployed on August thirtieth. You're probably
Speaker 1: not going to sit there and and you know, drive
Speaker 1: a hard bargain unless you got another team, uh that's
Speaker 1: interested in you. Yeah. I think there'll be multiple teams
Speaker 1: interested in whoever does not end up in Chicago and
Speaker 1: moves forward. But like you guys said, I think there
Speaker 1: is some competition whenever it comes to in between positions
Speaker 1: to stay on that fifty three mantra. Because you mentioned dbs,
Speaker 1: I think defensive lines there too. You may want to
Speaker 1: take ten or eleven defensive linemen based off of who
Speaker 1: you have in the middle of that interior and linebacker.
Speaker 1: Do you want to keep five linebackers six linebackers? Maybe
Speaker 1: because of special teams in the in the future, so
Speaker 1: maybe I think it's undoubtedly quarterbacks probably gonna be too
Speaker 1: deep with a practice squad player and who's going to
Speaker 1: be on that practice squad And that's what the competition
Speaker 1: is right now at that So I don't think they've
Speaker 1: got eleven offensive lineman you want to keep good point
Speaker 1: that's way too many. I don't think you would if
Speaker 1: you had good ones right but right now they're probably
Speaker 1: down to maybe eight, and you would like nine or
Speaker 1: ten if you had them. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. But if I mean, with the injury
Speaker 1: histories of some of these offers, I know eight's not enough.
Speaker 1: If you got to claim somebody or make a trade,
Speaker 1: you do it. But and I I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody was overly impressed by what we saw from
Speaker 1: the offensive line as that game went on. But eight
Speaker 1: would make me incredibly nervous. See, this is why they're
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope on Connor McGovern as a backup center,
Speaker 1: because they can save a spot one of Williams. I said,
Speaker 1: I said, McGovern Williams, Uh, you know, because they're they're
Speaker 1: looking at from a salary cap stampoint but also a
Speaker 1: number stampoint. Boy, if I can get that guy to
Speaker 1: do you know two things for me? Oh, I'm in
Speaker 1: good shape. But other than other than that McGovern right now, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's your sixth guy and that's about it. And I
Speaker 1: don't know after that, you know, the backup tackle. Things
Speaker 1: still not settled. I will um I will stand up
Speaker 1: for Terrence Steele. I will too. Actually, I will stand
Speaker 1: up for Terrence Steele. I don't I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: was amazing and unfortune you know, hey would love to
Speaker 1: be able to watch the all twenty two of this game.
Speaker 1: Anybody somebody if we could get to work on that, Yes, yes, yes, Um,
Speaker 1: but I thought I thought Terrence Steele he seemed to
Speaker 1: hold his own. I didn't notice him getting bully and
Speaker 1: he's been on the right side right mostly, he played
Speaker 1: left left. Yeah, And so am I ready to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's my swing tackle and I feel good about it. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm also he's worth probably keep. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to move on from him. So that's seven yeah,
Speaker 1: and not And haven't seen anything from Josh Ball and
Speaker 1: he's hurt right now. Didn't go to Canton last night. Uh,
Speaker 1: Ty and Secky's first you know, outing on TV as
Speaker 1: a cowboy was not anything to get super pumped about.
Speaker 1: And uh and Brandon Knight kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been playing as much tackle at this camp. We
Speaker 1: know he has before. Yeah, I don't. I think I
Speaker 1: got seven that I feel okay about. And then I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. And then then then they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: make a decision on Forniac if he if they think
Speaker 1: he's worth keeping, as you know, a guy that's in
Speaker 1: act of every Sunday. But we can develop this guy.
Speaker 1: And they did actually have him out there I think
Speaker 1: at guard sixty two snaps and he played back and
Speaker 1: forth between and by the way, Terrence Steele forty eight
Speaker 1: s apps, nine of which came at left tackle, thirty
Speaker 1: nine at right tackle yesterday. Yeah, so he saw a
Speaker 1: little bit of time and both. That's pretty much a
Speaker 1: series at left tackle and four series ball made to
Speaker 1: get himself healthy if he's wants to get into the
Speaker 1: equation here. No, absolutely agree. Well, guys, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your time hopping on with us knocking out
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans and raising this thing up a little bit,
Speaker 1: raising it up, yeah, in terms of whatever you want,
Speaker 1: production or we're talking physicality, whatever, short jokes. Didn't take
Speaker 1: very long to get into it. Waiting for them to
Speaker 1: leave too, so goodness, Yeah, you waited for him to
Speaker 1: walk away. That's a cheap shot. Whatever, That's okay, four
Speaker 1: hours asleep if that that's true, and there's no way,
Speaker 1: there's no way its four hours. Yeah, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: today was the day we have to mow the whole
Speaker 1: grass and the whole place. I mean the leaf blowers
Speaker 1: still blowing stuff around there. It ain't you had an
Speaker 1: encounter with a while. Yeah, so that awesome kingdom there
Speaker 1: you go get song by the Toady's So Nick, you were,
Speaker 1: like you said, running on very short amount of sleep
Speaker 1: because you were in Canton. I started with Mickey last segment.
Speaker 1: I want to start with you. What were your thoughts
Speaker 1: of last night? Um, you know football's back is you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's what you've said to kind of start
Speaker 1: the show, and that's that can't be overlooked. I mean,
Speaker 1: didn't wouldn't the greatest game ever. I think I've said
Speaker 1: that it's not going into the Hall of Fame or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Archives ESPN Classic is not a calling
Speaker 1: for this one. But you know that's what the game
Speaker 1: it was. You know, just see some individual efforts and
Speaker 1: another thing that y'all touched on, no injuries. That was
Speaker 1: the best part you get out of the game. You
Speaker 1: get evaluates some guys. We know that's not how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna look. We know that's not how the
Speaker 1: Steelers are gonna look. But it was good to kind
Speaker 1: of get back, get some football and get some individual
Speaker 1: evaluations on some players. Yeah. You know, Twitter is the
Speaker 1: place where human emotions are just microwave. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: just wants to flip out, and you know there was
Speaker 1: a lot of those comments after the game. It's one
Speaker 1: guy tweeted like I'm done with this team's like just
Speaker 1: hold on, tap tap the brakes. It's sloppy. It's always sloppy,
Speaker 1: especially in the first game. Remember they've had five padded
Speaker 1: practices five so far so and a lot of starters
Speaker 1: did not play. There were some good things though, and
Speaker 1: I know you guys touched on the offense, but I
Speaker 1: will say the biggest thing that stood out to me
Speaker 1: was you're trying to find out who your backup quarterback is. Yep,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. They're not worried about the shoulder injury, but
Speaker 1: look what happened last year. You gotta be prepared. They
Speaker 1: don't have the money they did last year. I don't
Speaker 1: think to spend as much as they did on in
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Garrett Gilbert did some things that makes you
Speaker 1: feel better. I think now they had two field goal
Speaker 1: attempts out of those two drives and and didn't get
Speaker 1: what they wanted. But that was a efficient drive up
Speaker 1: until they got inside the ten yard line. So I
Speaker 1: think that one number one to me stood out when
Speaker 1: you're looking at that competition. He looked like a backup
Speaker 1: quarterback to me, and and that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he's trying to this he's trying
Speaker 1: to do he's not. If he was outstanding, he would
Speaker 1: be going for a team that needed a starter. I
Speaker 1: thought his throw coming out of the end zone there,
Speaker 1: I think to Cedric Wilson, Yeah, the twenty one yard er.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really poised play. I actually
Speaker 1: tweeted this. I thought he looked less, He looked more
Speaker 1: uncomfortable than he did when he started against Pittsburgh back
Speaker 1: in November. He felt it just looked like it was
Speaker 1: willle jittery, get the ball out quick. Something that could
Speaker 1: be with the offensive line that was in front of him.
Speaker 1: You know, that might have alluded, I mean, helped with that.
Speaker 1: But I thought the second drive we kind of got
Speaker 1: out there, or remember it was the third one where
Speaker 1: he threw it, you know, out of his end zone,
Speaker 1: made a nice throw. He's got some things that I
Speaker 1: think you can work with. You get the you know,
Speaker 1: if he has to play better guys around him, I
Speaker 1: think Rob I agree, I think he'd be fine. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the offensive line in that
Speaker 1: early segment. We didn't get a chance to talk wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So I want to get a chance to hit on
Speaker 1: that anybody stick out from a pass catcher standpoint, because
Speaker 1: Dalton Volts was really good early on him, and it
Speaker 1: was a mix of guys late well. Nick had it
Speaker 1: in his five plays, which I applaud you for writing
Speaker 1: a five plays column. Yeah, that's why you didn't have
Speaker 1: any five plays that shaped the game. The Noah Brown
Speaker 1: catch on at one point during the day about that one,
Speaker 1: but it's okay, No was it the first drive the
Speaker 1: Noah Browns plant for the I mean that's like you said,
Speaker 1: he's a big bodied receiver. That's a type of route
Speaker 1: he can run and be successful at. And they hit
Speaker 1: him right in the stride and it got him into
Speaker 1: position to try to score. Cedric Wilson did some nice thing,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. I feel like Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: certain fans or whatever, they want to cut both guys
Speaker 1: because they're making a lot of money for fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth wide receivers and they drafted a wide receiver who's
Speaker 1: got talent. But don't forget what Cedric Wilson did when
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was healthy. Yeah, before the injury. Last Seattle game,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and Noah Brown quietly played quite a bit
Speaker 1: at wide receiver last year and did a pretty nice job.
Speaker 1: And as he told us a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: I'm finally healthy. So I thought both those guys stood out.
Speaker 1: Sean McEwen might be the third tight end on this team. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just he just makes plays. A blocking tight end
Speaker 1: who can produce in the in the receiving game as well,
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. That's what he was last year.
Speaker 1: That's what he did the majority of the time. A
Speaker 1: little bit he didn't play much period, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was part of his I mean, you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: a receiving tight end. He played fourteen games last year,
Speaker 1: which yeah, yeah he didn't. He didn't get a lot
Speaker 1: in there. But um, another play I put in that
Speaker 1: five points again, just trying to see through the game
Speaker 1: and visualize stuff. Rico Daddle out in the flat makes
Speaker 1: a catch over the middle. Nice play. That's a play
Speaker 1: that that makes me think what Tony Pollard or Zeke
Speaker 1: will do. Lining him out there and letting everyone go,
Speaker 1: letting him kind of cut underneath. I could see Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard making the catch like that. Um, and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: obviously having a bigger play, so you know you're seeing
Speaker 1: concepts from Kellen Moore and dan Quinn and all that,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was kind of interesting on just
Speaker 1: some of the things we saw earlier. You mentioned dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and getting his first reps with a revamp defense
Speaker 1: with I guess the Cowboys defense in general. In a
Speaker 1: game action, what did you see from the secondary? Reggie
Speaker 1: Robinson got a ton of snaps yesterday, played thirty snaps,
Speaker 1: fifteen of them and run defense fifteen of him in
Speaker 1: coverage straight down the middle, forced to fumble in the
Speaker 1: game as well. What did you guys see from some
Speaker 1: of the secondary players that we've kind of been waiting
Speaker 1: a while to finally get our eyes on. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: get back to Reggie Robinson in a sex because there
Speaker 1: was a play he did not make that I think
Speaker 1: would really hurt him. Wasn't even on defense. But in
Speaker 1: the secondary, you know, Nashan Wright stands out because he's
Speaker 1: six to four and he's tall and lanky. It's easy
Speaker 1: to watch, easy to watch. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought he did what he did. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to him after the game. He said he
Speaker 1: made a rookie mistake there with the side that's a
Speaker 1: tough draw his first game as an NFL player, was
Speaker 1: running with him pretty good. He actually said, I was
Speaker 1: holding him, so that's why he put his arms up
Speaker 1: like that. He puts his he put his arms back,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of Claypool did kind of push him,
Speaker 1: but not you know, Michael Levitt would have had no
Speaker 1: career if they if they called push off stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you know. But um, you know, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be still made five tackles, and it was to his
Speaker 1: point he said, look at me. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a tall, anky corner. No one thinks I can
Speaker 1: I can play mix it up. So I'm glad I
Speaker 1: got in there and tackled and show people somethings. So
Speaker 1: I thought nichean Um was a guy that stood out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of guys who stand out, is real mcquamu is
Speaker 1: six four as well. Yeah, you know, I think one
Speaker 1: of the past breakups he had in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field was an example of his arm length and
Speaker 1: just being able to close with his arms and get
Speaker 1: his hands on the ball. That's I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: guy that they're trying to develop at a different position.
Speaker 1: So you got to you gotta maybe temper your expectations
Speaker 1: in year one, but there are traits there that they like,
Speaker 1: I want to work with, so again, Yeah, I mean, Kyle,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where I guess every
Speaker 1: draft pick on defense, seven out of eight Goldston's still
Speaker 1: on pup all got a chance to get in there,
Speaker 1: and you saw some some things from different guys, not
Speaker 1: only in the secondary of been in the front seven too.
Speaker 1: I like you bringing up Israel mcquamu because he was
Speaker 1: targeted twice yesterday, had the one PBu over the middle
Speaker 1: where he got up and celebrated a little bit, had
Speaker 1: some fun with that. But they really used him in
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways. They used him in the
Speaker 1: box for nineteen snaps. They had him as the free
Speaker 1: safety outside of that for seventeen, so he saw a
Speaker 1: lot of game action. They used him on a couple
Speaker 1: of different ways. And as a guy who switched from
Speaker 1: corner to safety full time now he played a little
Speaker 1: bit of both at South Carolina, but the full time switch,
Speaker 1: he looked like he was comfortable back there, and I
Speaker 1: think that's important for a guy who's still trying to
Speaker 1: find a roster spot. Yeah, and also, you know, let's
Speaker 1: remember where he played, and he played in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: where you know, jac Horne was the corner most of
Speaker 1: that time, so they had a lot of secondary guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that his role at safety is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be covering tight ends, maybe playing some in the slot.
Speaker 1: So any corner or any safety that does have corner skills,
Speaker 1: but he looks like a safety. That's I think that
Speaker 1: he's making the team. I mean, I think he's making
Speaker 1: the team. I don't know if he's gonna be active.
Speaker 1: I think I have him as well. Yeah, he's he
Speaker 1: you got your fifty three? I do somewhere. I don't
Speaker 1: have a lockdown here. I mean people paying people on Twitter,
Speaker 1: they're like, did someone still make the team over him?
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we not finish? It's only week one,
Speaker 1: I wrote as of August first on my list, So
Speaker 1: you know, for years we used to take that that
Speaker 1: that same flip card and we can do our fifty
Speaker 1: three and yeah, so what I do along the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a veteran move for a guy
Speaker 1: who's at his first training camp, right, yeah, just remember this,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah no, but you're right, Yeah, it's still it's
Speaker 1: still super early on. Now you mentioned Reggie Robinson. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to go back to what there was a punt return.
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers um I forgot who, Baxton Buckston
Speaker 1: something like that went like twenty five yards thirty yards.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching it and I see on the left
Speaker 1: gunner spot is and they were punting right to left,
Speaker 1: So the left gunner spot um was was Robinson. He
Speaker 1: got double teamed and never got off the line like ever,
Speaker 1: like he you know, the punt was forty five yards
Speaker 1: down the field. He didn't get fifteen yards down the field.
Speaker 1: He was jammed up and kind of into the bench
Speaker 1: and the whole left side of the guy took it
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to be there and he didn't even
Speaker 1: make the tackle. He was still getting blocked. I think
Speaker 1: Nice Wonder either had to make the play or something.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, that's a problem in coverage if
Speaker 1: that's happening right when. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: never it's never good. Yeah, and that wasn't his you know,
Speaker 1: worst night. Hey, can we just say the guy's a
Speaker 1: the guy's a punter, I mean he's a punter. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a punter and punch of the punters a better
Speaker 1: ring is the ki Yeah, I mean doesn't work well.
Speaker 1: They're they're trying to give you know, Greg's airline is
Speaker 1: not ready to go with the back surgery. He's coming
Speaker 1: off of that. Bryan Anger, I guess, is the punter
Speaker 1: week one because they're they're resting him, getting him to
Speaker 1: the to the season, I guess. But can you let
Speaker 1: Nice Wonder practice some kicks in practice? I mean that
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised. We've all said it. Like, I
Speaker 1: think he's had three attempts, three attempts, and he's done
Speaker 1: like ghost kicks the rest of the time. And Mickey
Speaker 1: asked Mike about it, and he said, that's just part
Speaker 1: of the install It's they we were talking about this
Speaker 1: on Tom Cowboy the other day. It used to be
Speaker 1: an event for us with our notepads charting Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: every freaking day in practice. Did it last year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And and and they just haven't kicked in this camp
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So but but again he's he's yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's not a kicker, You're right, An, he's a punter,
Speaker 1: and and and I think he's a good one. And
Speaker 1: I just don't understand really why you have to why
Speaker 1: you the limit anger? And he's only played he's played
Speaker 1: four team on I think this is fourth team, so
Speaker 1: he's been a capt will I think a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we're limiting his snaps. Yeah, I guess you would call
Speaker 1: it anger management. You would call it. That's that would
Speaker 1: be a headline. That's what you would call it. It's
Speaker 1: pretty good anger. Have we said that one? No, that's
Speaker 1: my role call pretty darn four camp. I don't read that.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, interesting. It's a great site. It's a
Speaker 1: great website. It is cowboys dot com. Everybody. If you're
Speaker 1: not on it, then jump on the bandwagon. We did
Speaker 1: have anger management. Yeah, I stole that from you, Rom
Speaker 1: good movie. That's to think William's over here. Nod and
Speaker 1: William will give you his thumbs up approval on headlines. Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: headline bad bad? Yeah, he'll tell us about the one
Speaker 1: you told me for two days you were so happy
Speaker 1: about that with oh because Lie Collins had, yeah, had
Speaker 1: lost a little weight, And I said, lean on me. Boy,
Speaker 1: you must have loved that movie, William. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: It's a good top three, top three, Uh, anybody else
Speaker 1: on Special Teams stick out to you yesterday, good order
Speaker 1: about the store, our best. I mean overall Special Teams
Speaker 1: was rough yeah, to say the least. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you had one word to describe it, it it would be roughly.
Speaker 1: The whole game, which probably it always is. Special Teams
Speaker 1: is a you're a double a, you know manager in
Speaker 1: baseball double a. I mean, if your guys are really
Speaker 1: any good, they get plucked and go somewhere else. So
Speaker 1: every time you have to kind of just you know,
Speaker 1: make you know, lemonade. It really what you have to do.
Speaker 1: And so you know in the first game, you know
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be great quality, and never really any
Speaker 1: of the preseason games I think every year, I remember
Speaker 1: we would do stories like what's wrong with the Special Teams?
Speaker 1: That's because, you know, because they're trying some stuff out.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of what Joe D. Camillis used to
Speaker 1: call the players you know that we're playing out there,
Speaker 1: that it weren't necessarily going to make the team, you
Speaker 1: just got to fill it fill it up. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Joe D. Camilisi should be come out here tomorrow with
Speaker 1: his Rams. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anybody else from
Speaker 1: the Rams that we know, I think anybody from the
Speaker 1: Cowboys used to be at the Rams beside the whole
Speaker 1: special team, say like McQuaid and Foster everybody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're exactly right. Um. Let's go back to defense
Speaker 1: a little bit and talk about that defensive line. Looked
Speaker 1: like there was some good push up front. I thought, now,
Speaker 1: there weren't any big time sacks and there really wasn't
Speaker 1: a huge splash play from the defensive line. But I
Speaker 1: thought Quentin Bohannah had a nice day. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: to Rob Bashum and limited snaps, Carlos Watkinsosa, Diggy Zoo,
Speaker 1: what did you guys see? Rob will start with you
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. You just named both guys. I
Speaker 1: was gonna name, but Quintin Bohanna. He was on my
Speaker 1: two to watch that we had before the game, just
Speaker 1: because he watched him out here and he's three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds but he doesn't move like it. And
Speaker 1: they drafted him mainly to be space eater in the
Speaker 1: middle help stop the run. But you're seeing what he
Speaker 1: can do in terms of movement off the snap. What
Speaker 1: makes you think, well, maybe he can. He can give
Speaker 1: him some pass rush inside as well. And dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: scheme one, it's kind of like Rod Marinelli Nick. They
Speaker 1: want to get up the field, yea, so maybe he
Speaker 1: can help in that regard. And I thought Osa had
Speaker 1: a couple of nice rushes too that helped force quick
Speaker 1: throws and helped him get off the field defensively. Did
Speaker 1: um in your first thirty minutes, did any of those
Speaker 1: guys talk about Mica Parsons. We did. You talked about him,
Speaker 1: and we did talk about Mica. I felt like Mickey
Speaker 1: was you know, I think it was what we let
Speaker 1: off with. Of course, Mickey just got a column, right.
Speaker 1: I sat next to Mickey on the plane and he
Speaker 1: was he was hammering away on the on the Mica
Speaker 1: Parsons and that was his his guy going into the draft,
Speaker 1: and he was the one happy guy. But see, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wants to say it's just him. No, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys hadn't rated higher than both corners they liked, right.
Speaker 1: I don't believe and on our show, well, I don't
Speaker 1: believe that. I do not believe that even a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know they say that, but I don't believe. I
Speaker 1: think it's true. I believe it. I believe I don't
Speaker 1: think I believe it. Now, what were they gonna do
Speaker 1: If a Corner was sitting there, they probably would they
Speaker 1: were still gonna take it. You don't always, you know,
Speaker 1: That's why you don't always stick to your board. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they have admitted that they were gonna take Corner.
Speaker 1: I do believe he was the highest rated. But then again,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna take him, then then what does
Speaker 1: it matter. We're not gonna go to the board now.
Speaker 1: I just I'm sure they've said it. When we we'll
Speaker 1: say it again. Maybe Parsons is just a guy that
Speaker 1: that you know, the ball, the ball found him and
Speaker 1: this one. But he's typically the guy that that that
Speaker 1: finds it. Um, he's he's just gonna be fun to
Speaker 1: watch it, you know. Yeah, And I think I think
Speaker 1: we can't discredit I had. I actually talked to Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones a little bit before the game and we were
Speaker 1: talking about about Parsons. He said, just the fact that
Speaker 1: he played all these spots. Not all rookies can actually
Speaker 1: handle the workload of what you know, what this guy
Speaker 1: does at this spot, what he does here, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to line him up all over the field, but
Speaker 1: to be able to do it and learn the system
Speaker 1: for all those spots is amazing. That's a great point
Speaker 1: because as an athlete, you look at Michael Parsons you
Speaker 1: say he's gonna fit in wherever you put him. But
Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, especially after not playing a football
Speaker 1: game for over a year and a half, then you
Speaker 1: turn up and you're in training camp and you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's three different spots we want you to try and
Speaker 1: play at, do three hundred different things with it, and
Speaker 1: he's successful. I asked Mike McCarthy that the first week
Speaker 1: out here because it kind of reminded me. I was
Speaker 1: trying to think of something similar, and maybe Byron Jones
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. You know, they had him working at
Speaker 1: like every secondary position point yea, And the question becomes like,
Speaker 1: how much is too full of plate? Early and Mike said,
Speaker 1: maybe early on, a little bit too much on his plate.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn basically says, I'm gonna keep putting stuff on
Speaker 1: his plate because he's shown he can handle it. And
Speaker 1: if you notice between series, they're always talking and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's been too big for him. And we
Speaker 1: did see him again in some different spots. Dave and
Speaker 1: I talked about it. On that first series, he could
Speaker 1: have had a tackle for loss if you'd taken maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit different angle. Talking about on the run
Speaker 1: play out right, Yes, I guess it was Steeler's left.
Speaker 1: He was going out right, yeah, intensively. Yeah, that's the one. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the fumble recovery. The in series he had blitz up
Speaker 1: the middle that uh that that forced a quick throw,
Speaker 1: also a tackle. I think he stopped Naji Harris for
Speaker 1: a one yard game. He was just productive. He's just
Speaker 1: around the ball, and it is exciting because you kind
Speaker 1: of don't know where he's gonna be any given snap.
Speaker 1: Right if we're gonna take it to the next level
Speaker 1: of linebackers, Um, well I did. I also think Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish I thought it looked pretty good out there too.
Speaker 1: Definitely look good. Um, you know, he only had five snaps,
Speaker 1: but he looked good in those five. I thought, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he played well. Luke Gifford starting to get
Speaker 1: back into the buddy what he showed he definitely is
Speaker 1: and you know, we we just put Jabrol Cox just
Speaker 1: over him and and that's not the case at all,
Speaker 1: like Gifford, you know, and that Cox is gonna he's
Speaker 1: he's still gonna work his way in there. Did he
Speaker 1: made a specially he made the only specialty tackle right.
Speaker 1: He had five tackles on defense as well. Who Luke?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, who Who's who's the new corner?
Speaker 1: Um Brown? Yeah? Two tackles for loss. He's pretty good.
Speaker 1: We haven't really seen a whole lot. I was like,
Speaker 1: where I'm missed that one? That That was the thing
Speaker 1: is we were looking at him in practice a training
Speaker 1: camp and you didn't get to see a whole lot
Speaker 1: of brown now and then he comes out and he
Speaker 1: makes two pacles for loss and it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. Kennedy was there too. He made a
Speaker 1: couple of good plays. I think a zur Kamara off
Speaker 1: the edge. He had three pressures yesterday was probably the
Speaker 1: closest to getting a sack. He had two hits. Is
Speaker 1: maybe the leader in training camp of guys we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about. I would agree with that. There's always you
Speaker 1: look at the roster and you're like, oh, he's there
Speaker 1: and so and another guy that actually had had a
Speaker 1: nice catch. I believe Aaron Parker like and then we
Speaker 1: don't really talk about Aaron Parker. I talk about Aaron
Speaker 1: Parker a lot good he was. That was That was
Speaker 1: me like puffing up a little bit. I liked him
Speaker 1: in training camp last year. And I think if he
Speaker 1: would have had a if he would have had a
Speaker 1: preseason a year ago, I think Parker would have shown
Speaker 1: out yind him he was playing well in preseason, I
Speaker 1: mean training Yeah, for sure. It just comes down to
Speaker 1: a numbers thing. I mean, how many spots are open
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, linebacker with Kamara uh cornerback for Kyron Brown.
Speaker 1: Just there just aren't spots. Now there's more practice wat
Speaker 1: spots when you're evaluating receiver Malik Turner good or bad?
Speaker 1: Both both? Right, had you had a good day led
Speaker 1: the team in receiving, had forty seven yards on five receptions,
Speaker 1: and then he had had a big turn Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got to hang onto the ball on the best play
Speaker 1: he had toost play he had and he turns around
Speaker 1: through that rush Cooper rush. Yeah, way more good than
Speaker 1: bad if you factor in everything out here. But as
Speaker 1: we talked about from league, Turner, although not the game,
Speaker 1: that's true, No, yeah exactly, But as we've talked about
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys, Like, how many times have we talked
Speaker 1: about receivers in offseason workouts, training camp? Get to the
Speaker 1: games and it can be a different story. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you got to be able to translate it over these
Speaker 1: next three games, because again, I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: spots open at wide receiver. There might be a sixth
Speaker 1: spot open, but that might be it. Yeah, sorry, what
Speaker 1: was that you need? I am? I am a little bit.
Speaker 1: We all are, I mean, I mean, I'm sure you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the reason I went and grabbed it while you know,
Speaker 1: I was on the plane and I was about to
Speaker 1: go to sleep and they had a mute a movie
Speaker 1: playing and Creed too, which is one of the favorite
Speaker 1: was Yeah, Creed, Creed, the original Creed better than anything
Speaker 1: in the Rocky series my opinion. Okay, let me see,
Speaker 1: you're just looking for excuse to stop the show. That's
Speaker 1: a strong take. It's a strong takes, a strong in accurate. No,
Speaker 1: it's able discussion. It's good, it's good, it's up. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's up in there. It's up there for sure. I
Speaker 1: don't know Rockies. I don't know even they of them.
Speaker 1: Kyle I have young but I don't think I've watched
Speaker 1: Creed too. But I've watched Creed and you were the
Speaker 1: rest of the Rockies. You were minus twenty five. Yeah, Rocky,
Speaker 1: the original Rocky. It's exactly right. But it's great. You
Speaker 1: can't watch out. You can't watch Creed two if you
Speaker 1: don't see all the Rockies because there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 1: Marvel movies. They all kind of intertwined. You got to
Speaker 1: see them all in a specific order and whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to really get it zero there. Yeah, I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: can take that there. My next My next Marvel movie
Speaker 1: will be the first first ever. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you've gotten through that pretty well. Actually, just keep watching
Speaker 1: the Rockies, just keep going back to it. We talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about safety, and of course that's been
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation throughout training camp. And we only
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left. But what did you
Speaker 1: guys see in the rotation at safety yesterday that stuck
Speaker 1: out to you outside of maybe what Mukuamu did and
Speaker 1: back behind that defense, it was just I mean limited
Speaker 1: snaps for Casey, right right, He was out there for
Speaker 1: was it one series? Six snaps to six snaps? It's
Speaker 1: just such a small Sam Wilson was on a ball
Speaker 1: cap right, Yes, I believed Curse started opposite or next two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Curse played the most out of at least those initials.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, never mind. Cursonally had six naps as well.
Speaker 1: I think that's a throwaway game for safe safety. I mean,
Speaker 1: Millie Cooker's gonna eventually get into into this mix because
Speaker 1: he's gonna play more. Obviously, donaltor Wilson. I mean the Steelers,
Speaker 1: the Steelers receivers and tight ends would probably feel it'd
Speaker 1: be good about that. They'd be happy that he went
Speaker 1: out there because he's gonna hit. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: doesn't really care. He's just gonna go out there and hit.
Speaker 1: And so no, I think, you know, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens in Arizona. I'm a little curious about Arizona. We've
Speaker 1: done this once before where we have a long training
Speaker 1: camp and you go to Arizona. It was not so good.
Speaker 1: It was not good out there. You know, when when
Speaker 1: you know when the end is near and you know
Speaker 1: getting back home and all that, you got this one
Speaker 1: more stop to make. It's never really a good game there. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about this on our local TV
Speaker 1: hit this morning with Kyle that you know the Rams
Speaker 1: coming in. I don't know how much you guys talked
Speaker 1: about it at the first segment, but that is like
Speaker 1: a preseason game and a half these last three days here,
Speaker 1: I mean between Steelers and now Rams. Mike is he's
Speaker 1: balancing his playing time in the Steeler game, he says,
Speaker 1: based off of what's coming on Saturday. Now, look, you're
Speaker 1: never going to play most of your starters in the
Speaker 1: preseason opener Hall of Fame game. But he's looking at
Speaker 1: this like it's a competitive practice coming up here, not
Speaker 1: a live practice, but you know, another team coming in
Speaker 1: and get some good situational work coming in. But defensively, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think in the secondary there weren't any busts from
Speaker 1: the safeties that I saw. That's good communication. You're still
Speaker 1: looking for that communication to be better with Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: and I think it has been out here for the
Speaker 1: most part. And then hey, run defense two point five
Speaker 1: yards Kerry for the Steelers. That's good, that's progress. And
Speaker 1: again it's not all the starters in here for the
Speaker 1: Dallas defense. But you know, for a Steelers team that
Speaker 1: has struggled last year to run the ball, that continued
Speaker 1: in this game anyway. And I know you didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to hear it, Nick, because you were probably
Speaker 1: on the field doing doing your pregame hits. But Troy
Speaker 1: and Joe talked about it a little bit when it
Speaker 1: came to the Steelers. Their number one knock last year
Speaker 1: as a team was not being able to run the football.
Speaker 1: They had dressed dressed that in the first round last
Speaker 1: year with Naja Harris and then twenty fourth overall pick,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to establish the run early. You could
Speaker 1: see that the whole first half was them trying to
Speaker 1: establish the run, and the Cowboys held them to seventy
Speaker 1: six total yards over all four quarters. In terms of
Speaker 1: run defense. Yeah, and you shut them out in the
Speaker 1: first half. I think that is something positive. Yes, the
Speaker 1: final score was sixteen to three, throw that out the window.
Speaker 1: That first half was impressive to me in terms of
Speaker 1: the improvements they've made in the run deep. You know,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was kind of running a little bit early there,
Speaker 1: and I thought the Cowboys got fortunate with that botched
Speaker 1: snap snap and so they were kind of moving it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think we'll see a ben
Speaker 1: but don't break defense. And I think that's that's not
Speaker 1: what we saw last year. We just saw just give
Speaker 1: up sixty yard passes and eighty yards passes over the
Speaker 1: top and five right. But you know, depends on where
Speaker 1: you're bending. If you're bending in a little bit of receivers,
Speaker 1: that's fine. If they are running the ball four or
Speaker 1: five six yards, that's not a good thing. But no,
Speaker 1: I think they got to fix some things up. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody nobody's throwing you know, the the
Speaker 1: swirl ice creams with the with the sprinkles and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it's vanilla vanilla all the way
Speaker 1: and just boring you know stuff out there. No tooty
Speaker 1: fruity until later on. You're making me hungry lunch. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Hot California son? Uh? Really quickly and
Speaker 1: ten words or lass? What are you looking for tomorrow?
Speaker 1: In the rams practice? Try not to get into a
Speaker 1: big fight. And he's had some unproductive football out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: interior offensive line against Aaron Donald. If we see Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: I hope we do. I think we will. I think
Speaker 1: that would be really fun. Tyler Bottish, Connor Williams, maybe
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, depending on how much teamwork they give him.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Let's go. Yeah, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun matchups. Jalen Ramsey coming to town, Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: Robert Woods, Matthew Stafford, lots of stars coming and converging
Speaker 1: on Oxnard, California tomorrow. Nick Eatman Rob Phillips will both
Speaker 1: be on that coverage tomorrow. I'll be on there as well,
Speaker 1: starting off five pm Central Time at three pm Pacific
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Speaker 1: t x A twenty one. Want to thank you for
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