Speaker 1: You're listening to playback a Variety podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Variety Awards Editor Chris Tapply. He's just gonna grab a
Speaker 1: quick over his shoulder here of you get mad. You
Speaker 1: good to see you on Broken. I love podcast. Man,
Speaker 1: you don't have a camera in your face. You can
Speaker 1: just chill talk listening to him. Oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: bring this back because we just need a clean surface
Speaker 1: for the for this quick over the shoulder is gonna
Speaker 1: be right right back. What do you listen to? Oh man,
Speaker 1: what you have time? I don't. I don't like you.
Speaker 1: When I'm filming, I don't listen to him, you know,
Speaker 1: like like, um, but if I have a commute, if
Speaker 1: I have a commute, when I would you know when
Speaker 1: I get when I when I'll be able to like
Speaker 1: if i'm communing mom in post Like, I can't listen
Speaker 1: to him when I'm commuting in production. You know what
Speaker 1: if I'm I'm a prepper or post, I could. So
Speaker 1: the last one I was really listening to him tough.
Speaker 1: It was like when I was you know, when I
Speaker 1: was making when I was making Create, like we're finishing
Speaker 1: um uh doing sound on that in the Bay Area,
Speaker 1: Like when I was at Skywalker Ranch, and it's ranch
Speaker 1: like a forty five minute commute from from my house,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like I would be
Speaker 1: able to you know, listen to like Coastal An episode
Speaker 1: on the drive and then you know, come back. I
Speaker 1: listen to Um, I Knocked Down, Sereal um and uh um.
Speaker 1: I don't have time. WHI do you have a commute?
Speaker 1: I do? But like music, Yeah, music, music, music wins.
Speaker 1: But I gotta get in my early nineties music on
Speaker 1: the way to work. That's it. That is it litium
Speaker 1: bes man, that's all they want. Yeah, I'm terrified. I'm
Speaker 1: terrified of that. Man like like it feels so good.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: comfortable blanket. But I always was, always was like always
Speaker 1: I remember being young and like meeting dudes. I would
Speaker 1: have like uncles. I was like stuck in a decade.
Speaker 1: I think, only listen to music from a certain decade,
Speaker 1: only work calls from a certain decade. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'll be like, man it, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with these It's wrong with these dudes. Many like manyn't
Speaker 1: make I don't make real music. Anymore. Man, nothing like this,
Speaker 1: Like so I'm terrified like becoming that person. So like
Speaker 1: I try to, I try to at least like challenge
Speaker 1: myself to ye to at least um should be fine
Speaker 1: these these aren't automatics, right, Okay, then we're fine with
Speaker 1: this right here? Yeah? Cool? Sometimes they cut off next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man, I'm I'm unapologetic. I'm I'm early nineties
Speaker 1: guy listening to my pm don and my pm don
Speaker 1: he said, a drift on the memory bliss that crazy.
Speaker 1: It feels good, like I remember me. It's busy. Was
Speaker 1: riding in the car, like not too long ago. It
Speaker 1: was like like we just happened to be listening to
Speaker 1: the radio in the rental car and and it was
Speaker 1: like like song after song came on and was like, man,
Speaker 1: this's just great, Like we're singing along to everything, like
Speaker 1: oh this is perfect, and we realized by what it's
Speaker 1: just an old blue station. And then and then sure
Speaker 1: enough and it was like, oh my god, like you
Speaker 1: know we had that we had that point where get
Speaker 1: that flashback. Yeah, well we're recording. We've got Ryan Coogler here,
Speaker 1: the director and writer of Black Panther, which you've probably
Speaker 1: heard plenty about at this stage. If you haven't, you're
Speaker 1: living under a rock. Thanks for coming on the show man,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having good to have you here. I saw
Speaker 1: the movie a couple of nights ago. It's electric. I mean,
Speaker 1: congrats on you a couple of years. I'm just super
Speaker 1: happy for you that you got this opportunity and you
Speaker 1: made the most out of it. So you know how
Speaker 1: you feeling, I mean, how you feeling about the finished
Speaker 1: product that you had the premiere already, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel, uh, I got complicated feelings about it, man,
Speaker 1: like like, um, you know, uh, we've been working on
Speaker 1: it so so hard and for so for so long. Um.
Speaker 1: That is it's it's kind of strange too to realize
Speaker 1: that it's time to give it to to to the
Speaker 1: to the world, you know. Um. It was great about
Speaker 1: working with Marvel is that you know you're able. You
Speaker 1: know you're able to work right until the last minute,
Speaker 1: you know, um, which is hot, which is how I
Speaker 1: like to how I like to work. How I was taught,
Speaker 1: you know, um that you've never done with it to
Speaker 1: you snatch it out of your hands, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how we were. We would constantly
Speaker 1: refine the constantly trying to make it, trying to make
Speaker 1: it better, you know, right up into the right up
Speaker 1: to the very end. Um uh so. So the good
Speaker 1: thing about that is, you know, you get you get
Speaker 1: a maximum time to work on it. That the bad
Speaker 1: thing about that is you don't get much time from perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, so you're kind of just sharing it, you know,
Speaker 1: and in premieres or you know, that premiere was the
Speaker 1: first time we played it for for for a real
Speaker 1: sizeable audience, you know, like like usually you know, with
Speaker 1: these types of films, you can only show them to
Speaker 1: two small groups of people, yeah at a time, and
Speaker 1: you know those people gotta be like India up like crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so, um, it's not
Speaker 1: like with my It's not like with Creed where we
Speaker 1: can go do a you know, a test mening and
Speaker 1: and and you know in Nevada in the theater for
Speaker 1: you know, six hundred people, you know, and see how
Speaker 1: I see how it plays, you know. So I was
Speaker 1: the first time she didn't play and you know, my
Speaker 1: whole family was there from the Bay Area, you know, like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, my my mom, nine year old grandmother, was there.
Speaker 1: We had to you know, and I'm checking I'm checking
Speaker 1: in on them and stuff, you know, so so it
Speaker 1: was it was, um, it was. It was uh a
Speaker 1: strange night emotionally, um. But you know, you gotta say
Speaker 1: to see people, to see people, you know, seem to
Speaker 1: be happy and seemed to have enjoyed the film. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the what's the world's biggest It's the
Speaker 1: world's biggest lessing. Purple carpet was awesome. I saw the
Speaker 1: pictures of that. I was like, oh wow, purple carpet.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun to see anybody dress up.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I got you know, Disney cart a
Speaker 1: royal attire on a on a on a on a invite.
Speaker 1: So people came in African garments and stuff. It it
Speaker 1: was beautiful to see. Like Daniel who was just talking
Speaker 1: about he came in like the traditional traditional dress. He
Speaker 1: was wondering what was going on there. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a movie. I feel like it's unique in
Speaker 1: the Superhero Afraid. It has something pretty definitive and clear
Speaker 1: to say about the here and now you know it
Speaker 1: obviously touches on global race relations, has ideas about borders.
Speaker 1: You know, it's definitively has something to say. And my
Speaker 1: first question is just I'm curious if that was a vision,
Speaker 1: that is that all difficult to get through that Marvel system.
Speaker 1: I mean I would saying no, not at all, like like, um,
Speaker 1: surprisingly so because I imagine that that that it would be. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember when I first you know, when I first
Speaker 1: met met the folks over at at Marvel Winnis. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people, you know, like uh um,
Speaker 1: And I think this, I think the studio used to
Speaker 1: be running quite a bit different than it is than
Speaker 1: than it is now. It's been you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's changed over over over time. Um. Um.
Speaker 1: But now it's kind of like what you see is
Speaker 1: what you get there and and and the and the
Speaker 1: l A officers that on the Disney lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you got Kevin Fay, Who's Who's who's the head of
Speaker 1: the studio. UM companies kind of a brandchild, you know,
Speaker 1: and um you got you got lou Lou de Esposito
Speaker 1: um and Victoria Alonso Um. You know both those two
Speaker 1: are amazing, you know, very different creative and thinks from Kevin.
Speaker 1: You know, which is great UM for him because they
Speaker 1: kind of like the it's chief collaborators, you know. UM
Speaker 1: and then you got Nate Moore, who who's who was
Speaker 1: the executive that was a signed to to this, to
Speaker 1: this project and who had been trying to you know,
Speaker 1: get black panthers made since he had been at the company.
Speaker 1: UM he also made when a Soldier, you know, make
Speaker 1: Civil War, you know. And then we then we started
Speaker 1: talking about about this um and when I went to
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to them, you know, I I
Speaker 1: thought about what the opportunity would be with this, with
Speaker 1: this character. You know. They kind of told me what
Speaker 1: they were thinking about as a company, for the for
Speaker 1: the character, how they saw him fitting into what they
Speaker 1: were trying to do um and and they and they say,
Speaker 1: you know what was you? You know, how was you
Speaker 1: want to want to tell the story? So I went
Speaker 1: away thought about it, watched Civil War, UM you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and in kind of was able to to to process
Speaker 1: a lot of the feelings I've been having towards myself,
Speaker 1: my own personal identity, and my obsession was going to Africa.
Speaker 1: I hadn't been there yet. I always wanted to um
Speaker 1: and and and the world to kind of learn about
Speaker 1: that stuff was was only going as stronger as I
Speaker 1: was getting older. Um, you know, I came back to
Speaker 1: them and kind of you know, pitched him the movie
Speaker 1: that we that we ended up making. Um for the
Speaker 1: most part, you know, specifically thematically, UM, a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we wanted to attack and approach, and I
Speaker 1: expected them to kind of kind of like, man, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let's get back to you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But but right right there, right there in
Speaker 1: the room when we were Kevin Sham and that's awesome,
Speaker 1: we would let him make something like that, Let's do it,
Speaker 1: you know, let's get the work right now. And I
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, for whatever reason, um be it
Speaker 1: that they they've had you know, a lot of success recently. Um,
Speaker 1: it's possible that they had a company lay about Bo
Speaker 1: Bob Igor who's who's very you know, who's very brave
Speaker 1: and you know, successful and ready to do new things,
Speaker 1: adventure things in storytelling and in the medium. Um, but
Speaker 1: that were they were getting for it, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was really, you know, really surprised to see that.
Speaker 1: And and as as we went through the process, that
Speaker 1: were constantly pushing me to make it more personally, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, making make it more more relevant,
Speaker 1: which is great. I mean when we talked, we were
Speaker 1: talking about the last time we spoke about Creed, and
Speaker 1: that movie was full of you. I mean, it had
Speaker 1: so much of your personal life in it. So it's
Speaker 1: great that you can do that and something on this scale,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's only gonna ground it, right.
Speaker 1: And it's also great that they're consistently lately able to
Speaker 1: have these filmmakers come in with these definitive divisions. I
Speaker 1: had Taka on the show last fall talking about Thor
Speaker 1: and you know that was clearly a type of movie
Speaker 1: I don't know, so more than a Marvel movie, right.
Speaker 1: So it's great that they're able to have these filmakers
Speaker 1: come in with their own personal stamps. So, uh, do
Speaker 1: you feel the sense of you know, history that exists
Speaker 1: with this project for you? Or you kind of too
Speaker 1: close to it to fill those vibrations right now? I
Speaker 1: think for me, I'm a comic book fan. I'm a
Speaker 1: movie fan, as we talk about, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And I'm a comic book movie fan. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and there and there's been you know, there's been Um,
Speaker 1: a lot of movies that I've seen, some movies that
Speaker 1: I love that had you know, you know black superheroes,
Speaker 1: you know, in the you know, in the in the
Speaker 1: films Typle Carrious. I mean, I think, like how much
Speaker 1: I love Blade one and Year Amos Taken on Blade,
Speaker 1: Blair Too and West Snipes performance and those movies. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think about um, I think about Hancock,
Speaker 1: you know, I think about um even even you know,
Speaker 1: taking taken it back with you know, with with with
Speaker 1: medior Man. You know, still you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: these these these types of films um and And the
Speaker 1: truth is that you know, there's this it's felt niche
Speaker 1: before you know, this is yeah bigger, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's just gonna have a bigger skill than all
Speaker 1: this has a bigger skill, you know, a larger you know,
Speaker 1: financial commitment from the studio, um, you know movies. But
Speaker 1: the the truth is, like you know, this film is
Speaker 1: about This film is something different because it's about the
Speaker 1: continent of Africa, you know, and and not just the
Speaker 1: title character is is is African, but you know pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody around that's how the character is African. You know,
Speaker 1: we were giving incredible opportunities to to to fill out
Speaker 1: you know, fill up the screen with with African people
Speaker 1: and people of African decent, you know, um, which which
Speaker 1: for me was what's really cool because if you know,
Speaker 1: you look at those, look at those you know, look
Speaker 1: at those black movies. You know, you know West he
Speaker 1: tends to be like the only, the only, the only
Speaker 1: black guy, like you know, I remember Black One is
Speaker 1: moms in it, you know what I mean. But but
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a it's a black guy,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of surrounded by the world that that
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily that you know, which is you know, which
Speaker 1: is great stories about that as will um. But but
Speaker 1: but for me, this opportunity was was uh unique because
Speaker 1: it was like, oh wait, man, we get to make
Speaker 1: something I truly haven't you know, I haven't truly haven't
Speaker 1: seen before. You know, we were kind of uncharted waters
Speaker 1: in terms of, um, the skill that we're playing with
Speaker 1: and the fact that we're dealing with the continent of Africa,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and also exploring with it. You know,
Speaker 1: for me, the big question for me, the big theme
Speaker 1: UM and when you talked about you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about questions like I'm a naturally curious person. The reason
Speaker 1: I make artists because I'm you know, it's because I'm curious.
Speaker 1: If I can find a way to feed my curiosity, UM,
Speaker 1: that's the best way for me to motivate myself through
Speaker 1: a completion of a project. And for me, they had
Speaker 1: the big question starting off, and this was, you know,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to be African? You know what
Speaker 1: does that concept me? Um? Because it's one that I
Speaker 1: can't I can't answer that myself, you know. UM. And
Speaker 1: as an African American art history with the with the
Speaker 1: with the continent is very fraud you know, we're not
Speaker 1: able to generally able to tire our lineage back um,
Speaker 1: as a result of a very specific traumatic experience that
Speaker 1: happened to us, you know. UM. So so how we
Speaker 1: how we learned about the continent is it skewed you know,
Speaker 1: through that, through that limb, through that relationship, um, and
Speaker 1: how we learn about ourselves excued, you know, UM. And
Speaker 1: it was always a gap in me, you know, in
Speaker 1: my own identity, um, surrounded by that, surrounded by that question.
Speaker 1: It's a question that I had, you know, before I
Speaker 1: was motivated to make my first two films actually, so
Speaker 1: in many ways, this is my most personal, the most
Speaker 1: personal film. Um but but it is that that idea
Speaker 1: of you know, what it what it truly means to
Speaker 1: be African, what it truly means to be a person
Speaker 1: of African descient in this world. That kind of motivated
Speaker 1: all of the research, everything that we put into this movie.
Speaker 1: Did you come up with a personal answer? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm still finding it, but I think I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing was for me. You know, I hadn't taken
Speaker 1: a trip to Africa yet, you know, I was when
Speaker 1: when when they when they called me, I was finishing
Speaker 1: up create you know, we met, you know, and I
Speaker 1: was I was not between nine years old, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've been wanting to go to this place my
Speaker 1: whole life, ever since, ever since my parents sat me
Speaker 1: down and told me I was black, you know, which
Speaker 1: is I was really young, you know, because you gotta
Speaker 1: kind of tell a kid who's who's black? You know
Speaker 1: what they are because the world is gonna treat you
Speaker 1: a certain way, as you know, because of it. You know,
Speaker 1: in certain situations, Uh, when you're black, you know here
Speaker 1: in this country, your life can be at staky if
Speaker 1: you make the wrong move, you know what I'm saying. Um.
Speaker 1: So ever since then, I wanted to go to this
Speaker 1: kind of almost like mythic place, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you see representations in this place in media, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times the representations that you see, uh
Speaker 1: are things that make you feel a shame, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's kind of like sources of shame,
Speaker 1: you know. Um. Um, you see you know, starving children,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You see you see people
Speaker 1: that that that in the need of a from other
Speaker 1: places you know. Um, it's just strife, chysical strife, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: If there aren't things that make you that, I make
Speaker 1: you feel proud, feel proud of you know. Um. And
Speaker 1: in that ship, as I got older and learn and
Speaker 1: learn more, I learned. I learned a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of the struggles we deal with, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of come as a result of that needs, a global struggles.
Speaker 1: I'll meet people out of from the continent and talk
Speaker 1: to them, let's talk to talk about things that they're
Speaker 1: going through. I asked them about news reports that I've seen,
Speaker 1: about the pleasures that they're from. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times the answer it we always deeper than that, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I kind of explained you know. Um, but
Speaker 1: but but on my trip, you know, on my trip
Speaker 1: back to the continent, man, like you know what I'll discovered.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what I knew all along. Um,
Speaker 1: to be Africans means to be human, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It means it means you
Speaker 1: you you love art, you know what I mean, so
Speaker 1: much that you that you put it everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: you put it on your clothes, you put it on
Speaker 1: your body, you know, Um. And you'll make art out
Speaker 1: of anything. You know, if you only got if you
Speaker 1: only got dirt and wood and sticks, you're gonna find
Speaker 1: a way they make all out of that, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: To be African is to be. It's to be you know,
Speaker 1: It's to be beautiful. It's just to love. It's to
Speaker 1: love your family so much that even when they die,
Speaker 1: you still don't let them go. You talk about them
Speaker 1: if they still right there. Um, to be Africa is
Speaker 1: that love to dance, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: it dance until you can't you can't move anymore, and
Speaker 1: still dance some more. And if I say that, I
Speaker 1: mean you can say that about any human being. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because because that's where all human
Speaker 1: beings come from. You know, it's scientifically proven, you know,
Speaker 1: um So, to be African is just to be human.
Speaker 1: Um And for whatever reason, you know, I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: much much media that that that that that showed that,
Speaker 1: you know, um So, I was. It was really exciting
Speaker 1: to be able to export that on this campus, on
Speaker 1: this campus pop culture media. Where uh, where in Africa
Speaker 1: did you go? Countries? I went to. I went to
Speaker 1: South Africa first, um And I was for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. When I when I when I watched the
Speaker 1: film Civil War, which how you come out check? Uh,
Speaker 1: I saw that that Shadwick and um um actor Dr
Speaker 1: John Connie, who played his father in that film, we're
Speaker 1: speaking in a language that I had never heard before.
Speaker 1: It was a language that sounded ancient and an interesting.
Speaker 1: Um So when I so, when I got out of
Speaker 1: the movie, I went and talked to U Nate Moore
Speaker 1: and Kevin Figy and I asked what languages that I
Speaker 1: thought they hadn't been to the language for the for
Speaker 1: the film. You know what kind of like, um you've
Speaker 1: been Valkan and Romula or something you know, or or
Speaker 1: the Elvish language and Lord of the Rings. You know,
Speaker 1: I was really taken by and they said, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's that's uh, that's something that kind of happened by
Speaker 1: a happenstance, you know. Um, you know, Dr John Conny
Speaker 1: is South African from from a close our tribe. I'm
Speaker 1: an muttered this, but but it's but it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you said, it's a language that that developed
Speaker 1: with clicks. It's very old language. And he's from the
Speaker 1: close our tribe in South Africa. And he taught Chadwick
Speaker 1: the lines that they were supposed to say in that
Speaker 1: language because they felt like an African king and African
Speaker 1: princeship speech speaking African language when they're talking amongst each other. Um.
Speaker 1: And and so I said, okay, so that's the kind
Speaker 1: of language, you know what I mean, clost Our language.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, I'd like to go where I
Speaker 1: can find all these people, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll started to start my research there. So
Speaker 1: I went to I went to Cape Town first in
Speaker 1: South Africa, and I went completely by myself. Um. It
Speaker 1: was right before I got married, um you know, um,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I felt happy that this project
Speaker 1: and that with me to to to to learn learn
Speaker 1: more about myself, you know, with this ship before you know,
Speaker 1: before taking that next the next major step in my life,
Speaker 1: you know. UM. And so I was by myself, went
Speaker 1: to Kpe Town, went to Johannesburg, and then I went
Speaker 1: to a I learned about the country while I was there,
Speaker 1: called the sut Um the Kingdom of the Sto, which
Speaker 1: is an enclave you know, inside of South Africa. UM.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, they hadn't gotten colonized the same way
Speaker 1: that the areas around it did. It's very poor country, UM, isolated,
Speaker 1: not many people know about it. And I was I said,
Speaker 1: oh wow, man, maybe what Kanna could be something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, because I hadn't even heard of this place,
Speaker 1: you know, UM as an American saw the foot of
Speaker 1: the Suo to and and I and I learned that
Speaker 1: the reason that that that it that it didn't get
Speaker 1: colonized in the same way that the rest of Africa
Speaker 1: did was because it has these really intense mountainous regions
Speaker 1: where snows like crazy, and the people there are ski
Speaker 1: you know, on snow and ski snow cover ski slopes
Speaker 1: and the tribes around there wear blankets. They were these
Speaker 1: beautiful blankets. So that's kind of where I got the
Speaker 1: idea for one of the tribes you know in the
Speaker 1: film um And you know, I took pictures of of
Speaker 1: of of h shepherds that were those blankets, like what
Speaker 1: I thought was completely beautiful. Um. You know. And and
Speaker 1: it's a kingdom, you know what I mean, It's like
Speaker 1: like uh, the Kingdom of the suits too. It's called
Speaker 1: the Mountain Kingdom, you know. But it's very very poor,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of cut off from from from
Speaker 1: from the same trade relations in South Africa has you know,
Speaker 1: as a result of them um not being colonized in
Speaker 1: the same way. Um. But but but that trip was
Speaker 1: eye opening. And there from there I went to uh
Speaker 1: went to Kenya, where I hung out with Lupete's family.
Speaker 1: You know. Lupete's family kind of took karre me and
Speaker 1: Nairobi took me around to me gonna spend time with
Speaker 1: the Massai charges me to Massai land um and and
Speaker 1: it was you know it was Lupete wasn't there. She
Speaker 1: was she was hearing the stade working. Um but I
Speaker 1: family was was incredible. I meant with professors, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of talking about what I was doing, went to
Speaker 1: go listen to music concerts, spend time with spend time
Speaker 1: with random families, and went to rituals that they had. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, while I was there, I kind of learned
Speaker 1: that a lot of the things that a lot of
Speaker 1: things that that that are done on the continent, that
Speaker 1: they call rituals, that think that they've been doing for
Speaker 1: thousand and thousands of years, we do as African Americans
Speaker 1: in the States, and we don't really know why we
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean, we just we
Speaker 1: just do it. We just call it hanging out or
Speaker 1: we'll call it, you know, a party, or we call
Speaker 1: it this and that. But it's it's literally like the
Speaker 1: same exact things. So so the trip kind of taught
Speaker 1: me that that, yeah, we still do you know, we
Speaker 1: still we still connected to the continent, you know, even
Speaker 1: if you don't know it, like you know, those things,
Speaker 1: those rituals, those things that we do are still in us. Um.
Speaker 1: So it was really moving. You know, I felt I
Speaker 1: felt like whole from that from that trip. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: All that comes through in the movie too, that's assassurated
Speaker 1: with you know, obviously what you learned. Well, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to just like, what kind of input do you have
Speaker 1: on a movie like that? Is this massive when it
Speaker 1: comes to the visual identity of the movie in the marketing,
Speaker 1: because that is such a huge element of the identity
Speaker 1: of a movie like this, and given that it's such
Speaker 1: a personal movie, I would think maybe you'd like to
Speaker 1: have a hand in that, But I don't know. You
Speaker 1: tell me, like, what what kind of ideas did you
Speaker 1: have for that? Were you able to provide for that?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, like uh, I mean, obviously the visual identity
Speaker 1: of the movie. You know, um, I have a big
Speaker 1: influence song, you know, because we were making the movie,
Speaker 1: you know, um and in the Disney Disease marketing department
Speaker 1: you know, headed up Ricky Strawson and the sold yeahs.
Speaker 1: You know, they're brilliant, you know, um, and and that
Speaker 1: they have an imagined way of capturing the essence of
Speaker 1: the films that they're working on, but at the same
Speaker 1: time using their own knowledge of what it takes to
Speaker 1: put butts in seats, you know what it what it
Speaker 1: takes to get people excited. In the poll from like
Speaker 1: a four quadrant you know, marketplace. UM. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a blend of all those two things. But
Speaker 1: but you know, they were incredibly collaborative. You know, they
Speaker 1: watched they watched cuts of the film early on before
Speaker 1: they cut the trailers. They talked to us, you know,
Speaker 1: the filmmakers, but me, me and us and you know
Speaker 1: a lot of times with me and Nate and Kevin, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we would see cuts of trailers and and
Speaker 1: and and had a chance to to give you feedback.
Speaker 1: Um uh get to get to kind of have a
Speaker 1: same music sometimes, you know. UM. And they and they
Speaker 1: were extremely helpful in terms of uh assistant that's with
Speaker 1: with getting to Kindrick Kendrick deal done, you know, um
Speaker 1: uh and supportive you know in terms of that, UM
Speaker 1: talk about Kendrick, what was you know bringing him out
Speaker 1: of this project in this way? What was that about?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was it was it was
Speaker 1: a blessing man like like um if for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I work with I work with an incredible composer, um
Speaker 1: a little bit garing song who yeah, yeah, who who
Speaker 1: Who's Who's Who's a great composer and the music producer
Speaker 1: as well and he and I have a have a
Speaker 1: crazy level of music, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: were listening to music together before we started to make
Speaker 1: make films together. And one thing that he's time to
Speaker 1: that is is he's time to that, you know, constructing
Speaker 1: a authentic orchestral score. But he also produces, you know,
Speaker 1: hip hop music and in pop music. So so you know,
Speaker 1: one thing that was a dream of ours always was
Speaker 1: to was to make a film, but to also have
Speaker 1: a soundtrack that that that played along with the film.
Speaker 1: You know, where we use a couple of songs from
Speaker 1: the soundtrack in the movie, but it's another piece that
Speaker 1: people can experience the film through um that maybe diverts
Speaker 1: from it a little bit, but still has the same
Speaker 1: the same story, the same soul there. And and I've
Speaker 1: been a fan of Kenji Kenji Lt Morris since uh
Speaker 1: Sin his mix tape days, you know, since I was
Speaker 1: in film school and he was dropping you know, he
Speaker 1: was dropping mix tapes, and I'll be kind of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of hunting them down, you know, and always enjoying
Speaker 1: his always enjoying listening to his music and fund finding
Speaker 1: the motivational and and and thematic uh And eventually Um
Speaker 1: I think like maybe maybe maybe two or three years back,
Speaker 1: I got to meet Athony Tipic who runs TDE was
Speaker 1: kind of named after music names top Dog. UM. And
Speaker 1: I met him through Charles King, who who was my
Speaker 1: agent then but now he runs uh my a Cross Studios. UM.
Speaker 1: He put me put Top and Eye in touch. We
Speaker 1: would talk, you know, um, you know, stay in touch
Speaker 1: and look look for some for Kendrick and out of
Speaker 1: working together. UM. And then about two years ago, I
Speaker 1: right after I right after I finished Creed and it
Speaker 1: was released, I was able to sit down with Top
Speaker 1: and Kendrick and uh and Dad Free over at t
Speaker 1: D and we just sparked about some things that that
Speaker 1: that he was working on, let them know what I
Speaker 1: was working on, and I'll be taking this project. UM.
Speaker 1: And then I let him, you know, I let him
Speaker 1: work with him on this win and if the opportunity came.
Speaker 1: I think he was working on Damn at the time. UM.
Speaker 1: And then he finished that up and it timed up.
Speaker 1: You know, it worked out that you know, he uh
Speaker 1: he you know, I reached out to him again, UM
Speaker 1: in in top of the top seller. Let's let's sit
Speaker 1: down and meet you know those guys cand of Marvel Studios. UM,
Speaker 1: we showed them some footage and um, next thing we
Speaker 1: knew Kendrick was in Um you know, and then he
Speaker 1: came by, came by a little letter and you watched,
Speaker 1: you know, watch most of the movie. UM, and we
Speaker 1: talked about you know, he talked about what he would
Speaker 1: you know, what he thought of it and uh. And
Speaker 1: then you know, you talked about artists. You know that
Speaker 1: he would like to work with artists that I was
Speaker 1: always interested and seeing with the how they can contribute. UM.
Speaker 1: And then he went away and he went to work.
Speaker 1: You know, it makes some makes some really beautiful stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, some stuff to send a movie. UM. His producer,
Speaker 1: sound Wave, worked with Louvig on something really cool with
Speaker 1: that's in the movie as well. UM. And Louvig was
Speaker 1: just kind of a mastermind that weaving in and weaving
Speaker 1: out of school in in kind and sound Wave and
Speaker 1: those guys stuff. UM. So I'm really excited to hear
Speaker 1: what people with people, Uh, hear what people think. It's
Speaker 1: a great soundtrack, man, I mean just the way you
Speaker 1: can sense those moments where it comes in to score
Speaker 1: and comes out and just you know, the beat drops
Speaker 1: and it's just again more of the unique flavor of
Speaker 1: the movie. That's just makes it something special. In the fray,
Speaker 1: Ruth Carter, Man, I want to talk about Ruth Carter
Speaker 1: and the whole all the design elements of the movie
Speaker 1: are on point. Actually, an old film school friend of
Speaker 1: mine was one of your art directors in Atlanta, Carroll.
Speaker 1: But the Ruth Carter is a legend, and she is
Speaker 1: the obvious choice to work on this movie. So I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about working with her. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Ru's amazing, man like, she really is. She she um,
Speaker 1: you know she costume design a lot of Spice movies,
Speaker 1: you know, work with spiel right before, you know. But
Speaker 1: I mean I remember seeing I remember seeing you know,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Max when I was a baby. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. She's being blown away, Um, how really felt
Speaker 1: especially felt the epic it felt. You know, you talk
Speaker 1: about you know, you talk about superhero movies, man like
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Spike Leaves, Micoel max I was
Speaker 1: a superhero movie in my book, you know. Um, and
Speaker 1: and just just just about the scale and in a weight,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that it was given and
Speaker 1: a and the and the um and in the in
Speaker 1: the lands that it was shown through, you know, the context.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that that roof. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: she's amazing, man. You look at what she's done with Avery,
Speaker 1: with Summer. You know. Um, she's so varsato you know
Speaker 1: in this in this um, this film was it was
Speaker 1: years of no Brander when I found out she was interested,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and working with her was terrific. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and it's interesting like she she's so
Speaker 1: so collaborative, you know, because I had Marvel. Um you
Speaker 1: have a have a department called visual Development, you know,
Speaker 1: where they kind of workshop all that the hero uniforms
Speaker 1: you know, Um, it's hair headed up by guy named
Speaker 1: Ryan Minor Dame who's a coming book you know, comic
Speaker 1: book Glover and the artist who develops these things, and
Speaker 1: and Ruth. You know, I was able to to look
Speaker 1: at the look at the stuff that Ryan was doing,
Speaker 1: you know, for the for the for the Panthers suit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, for the Dora costumes and
Speaker 1: things of that nature, and and and and emerge and
Speaker 1: melted and constructed, you know, and up the value of it,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and also put it in with all
Speaker 1: the amazing costumes that you see on the characters throughout
Speaker 1: the film, and you know, personally making the traditional costumes
Speaker 1: and and you know, and the costumes when the characters
Speaker 1: go all undercover, you know, and still finding a way
Speaker 1: to uh make sure they feel with conna still you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's realistic that people don't
Speaker 1: pick them out. Um. And the green dresses with Peter
Speaker 1: wears and that one, that's all. That's all ruf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all rufe man. Yeah. And and and for us,
Speaker 1: we had you know, working with another incredible designers, Hannah
Speaker 1: Bickler where who was our production designer? Who did you
Speaker 1: fruit Reale creating? She handed the Moonlight, you know, she
Speaker 1: did Beyonce's Lemonade. Um. Uh, we come up with a
Speaker 1: color story, um because because for us, you know, so
Speaker 1: many characters in this film, you know, and every film
Speaker 1: we worked on, we try to make the color story
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So for this with so many characters
Speaker 1: in this film, you know, you'll see characters only where
Speaker 1: generally the only wear a specific color you know, on
Speaker 1: every scene at the end, no matter what they're wearing,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of color story, uh drive it.
Speaker 1: And and we assigned um specific uh ideas and concepts
Speaker 1: of each color, you know. Um so, so Rufe was
Speaker 1: able to take that. What are some examples on that, well,
Speaker 1: uh so so for so, for example, if you look
Speaker 1: at the color purple, then to cover the color purple
Speaker 1: in the in the in the film represents royalty and spirituality,
Speaker 1: you know, um so, so you'll see that the harshhyped
Speaker 1: herb you know, and everything related to the hardshype of
Speaker 1: Irish purple in the film, you know, and and forest
Speaker 1: whose complied the spiritual leader of what kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it's constantly and you know, it's constantly in some form
Speaker 1: of shype with purple. You know, the child as the
Speaker 1: black panther, you know, but he's also you know, a
Speaker 1: spiritual god, traditional guy in the royal guy. So you
Speaker 1: often see his black accident with accident with purple, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: The color red is like the color of like the
Speaker 1: Messiah warriors in red, black and green, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of the colors of Africa, the Pan African flag, the
Speaker 1: Pan African you know, liberation flag. Um you know, the
Speaker 1: rare kind of represents the blood of the people with
Speaker 1: the black versus the skin and the green represisting land
Speaker 1: the fart the farther land. UM, the kids from the
Speaker 1: river tribe. So you're always seeing the kid shyes, of green.
Speaker 1: I would like the color of that tribe um in
Speaker 1: in green and kind of color color opportunity to color change,
Speaker 1: you know, the color color innovation, you know, UM and
Speaker 1: you know red being the symbol of blood, you know,
Speaker 1: and for us loyalty and warriors, that was the color
Speaker 1: of the door. So you always see Deny, you know,
Speaker 1: in some form of real We also actually at the
Speaker 1: medals you know, for for royalty and rank. You know,
Speaker 1: DENI is the only door as you see with the
Speaker 1: gold with the gold actutions. All the rest of them
Speaker 1: have you know, had the regular silver vib running mac
Speaker 1: since cool and I wanted to I should have asked
Speaker 1: this at the top, but I'm just curious what your
Speaker 1: first experience with the character was when you comments Charlotte
Speaker 1: oh Man, Yes, it's an interesting UM, because I got
Speaker 1: into comics from my older cousin UM when I was
Speaker 1: really young, like like like barely I would have read
Speaker 1: you know, I would read his comics and he read everything, man,
Speaker 1: but his coolest one. I always started with the ex
Speaker 1: men comics, and I love Wolverine, you know, so like
Speaker 1: I read his his Wolverine comments. They had the weapon
Speaker 1: ex commics, all the Wolverine standing loans Man, we had
Speaker 1: the big long clause, you know, big here, you know,
Speaker 1: the crazy ninety stuff. Um, so I love that stuff
Speaker 1: and I and I continue to read them. Um. I
Speaker 1: couldn't know. I didn't really have My parents wouldn't really
Speaker 1: give me money like that, so I couldn't really I
Speaker 1: couldn't really buy them. But I would go to this
Speaker 1: comic book shot that was by my m I was
Speaker 1: by my school, uh and I was I was going
Speaker 1: there in between like school and basketball practice of school
Speaker 1: and daycare, and I would just read comics till they
Speaker 1: kicked me out, you know. And I remember one day
Speaker 1: I went in because I was thinking, you know, I
Speaker 1: like to read a comic pot that's based on a
Speaker 1: black guy. You know, I've seen all these different different books,
Speaker 1: and you know often times that the black folks kind
Speaker 1: of relegated to this to the to the size. Um,
Speaker 1: I just think X me and they had to. You know,
Speaker 1: I had Storm, who was really awesome, and they had Bishop,
Speaker 1: but it was rare that she really got into that
Speaker 1: to the to the to the story. You know, they're
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, you know, solide characters. Um.
Speaker 1: So I asked, man, you need books like that here,
Speaker 1: you know that that have have a black guy, you know,
Speaker 1: or a black person at the forefront, you know, And
Speaker 1: comic book shot worker was like, yeah, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, we do. So he walked me over to
Speaker 1: to to a little section. Uh they had black panther,
Speaker 1: you know, and he kind of told me about him
Speaker 1: and walking me, you know, walking me through you know,
Speaker 1: who he was and what he did, you know. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you know, the issues. Man, they might
Speaker 1: have been on issue number whatever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you can't get the real origin of it in there,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I so I picked it up
Speaker 1: and read it and and I loved it. But I
Speaker 1: also felt a little bit disconnected from it, you know, um,
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, this dude was not This
Speaker 1: dude is not me. He's he's African, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I didn't see myself as Africa and I
Speaker 1: saw myself as African American, you know, um, you know
Speaker 1: in my mind, and it was it was a big
Speaker 1: difference you know, Um, I didn't you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: never been an African. You know, I didn't know my heritage.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have a cool African name, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, you know, so I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, still not it, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: But as as I got older, you know, um, and
Speaker 1: I got a lot cooler, you know, when with the
Speaker 1: writers taking really different types on them and making him,
Speaker 1: making him just as awesome as, if not more awesome
Speaker 1: than the other characters around him in the Marvel Commerce universe,
Speaker 1: I started to get I started to get more into it.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, we're still we're still we'll still probably
Speaker 1: still get put a gun in my head. Probably still
Speaker 1: more of a Batman guy than anything else, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: But but you know I was, I was into it,
Speaker 1: you know. And then uh, you know, recent times came
Speaker 1: and you know, the Hickman runs. You know, you're just
Speaker 1: getting cooler and cooler, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: pick it up and like it's like really really utilizing
Speaker 1: all of his awesomeness. And then the cult around I came.
Speaker 1: We're trying to hosk him, Brian stell Freeze and that's
Speaker 1: and that was just like the pinnacle of how cool
Speaker 1: black Panther could be, Like all of my all of
Speaker 1: the all of the the the thought that, like so
Speaker 1: I thought I would have a bottom seeming, it seemed
Speaker 1: to start to go away and and how cool to
Speaker 1: women around and started to like really really be highlighted,
Speaker 1: you know. So, And I was right around the time
Speaker 1: I started talking with with with natives. Will um, you know,
Speaker 1: so I kind of put it over the top. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just branch out this a couple of
Speaker 1: things before I let you go. Is your next movie
Speaker 1: going to be? Wrong? Answer? I'm not sure my next
Speaker 1: movie is man like like it's it's uh, I can't
Speaker 1: even think about it right now. Yeah even no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about that because if indeed
Speaker 1: it is, and certainly it's on your plate anyway, it's
Speaker 1: it's I appreciate the fact that you're willing to scale back,
Speaker 1: you know, after doing something masses And this is a
Speaker 1: fascinating true story. It's about these teachers who faked students
Speaker 1: test scores but in order to keep the school's funded.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a complex story. It's not as simple.
Speaker 1: It's just cheating texts. No, it's a it's an INCREDI
Speaker 1: it's an incredible story, man like, Um, it's an incredible story.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible it's an incredible project. Um. You know
Speaker 1: it's based on based on the amazing artists by amazing
Speaker 1: article by roding A Rachel viv Um the New Yorker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the New Yorker. And and and it's about an amazing
Speaker 1: guy you know that Demanti Lewis, who's actually from Oakland, Um,
Speaker 1: who's who's out there uh teaching actually going to Clark
Speaker 1: Atlantic University. And it's it's it's a it's a story
Speaker 1: about it's just it's a story about a person who
Speaker 1: found who found who finds their calling, um, which is
Speaker 1: which is educating kids. Um. But but it's in it.
Speaker 1: But it's in a system that is that is that
Speaker 1: is so broken you know, um, Um that that they
Speaker 1: that they for whatever reason, only see one way one
Speaker 1: way to uh to to do their job, you know,
Speaker 1: which is which to do something you know illegal. Um.
Speaker 1: It's just a heartbreaking story but incredibly interesting, incredibly uh
Speaker 1: all inspiring. Um. You know. And I hope, I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope I get to make it. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's got incredible people you know,
Speaker 1: attached to it. You know, playing b Um has the rights,
Speaker 1: you know. You know Jammy, Jammy Kleiner and d D.
Speaker 1: Garner over there. You know they make great movies. Um,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know we're hoping to make it with Mike,
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's um talking calls. Who were just talking
Speaker 1: about um? You know you don't helping to write it, um,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure what what's what's what's going on,
Speaker 1: What's going on, what's going on next? You know? All
Speaker 1: that those really all those folks are really busy people, man.
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm frankly focused on getting Black Panther
Speaker 1: onto the world right now. Definitely. Well, you mentioned Michael there. Michael,
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll make that with him, and he's obviously got
Speaker 1: a sweet rolling Black Panther. Did you like him? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: that's good. But I just want to talk about that
Speaker 1: ongoing collaboration. What is it about it that works so well?
Speaker 1: I mean Number one is Mike really times you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a coach who who culturees Lebron
Speaker 1: James and Steph Curry your first time out. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to trade them. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, keep now, you keep them around um foot.
Speaker 1: For this project for Black Panthers specifically, the thing that
Speaker 1: was so exciting about working with Mike on that for
Speaker 1: this was because you know, you said, you're a nineties guy, man,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm you know, we're the same mage roughly,
Speaker 1: I think, right, And and I came up watching films
Speaker 1: and not okay, yeah, okay, yeah, but but I came
Speaker 1: up watching those films in the nineties man. And and
Speaker 1: you talk about like like black super heroes, man for
Speaker 1: For for us, it was it was like three of them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was you know you
Speaker 1: had you know, you had you had Denzel. You know,
Speaker 1: you have Will Smith, and you had Wesley, you know.
Speaker 1: And these are guys who would make these massive movies
Speaker 1: and they would be these amazing heroes. And you can
Speaker 1: tell they had acting shops, you know, in physicality, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and I was always the
Speaker 1: guy who was always waiting for, you know, the Will
Speaker 1: Smith Denzel movie. You know what I mean. We're Will
Speaker 1: Smith and Denzel either went head to head or when
Speaker 1: Will Smith and Denzel is like teamed up on some
Speaker 1: buddy cops. Shit. You know what I'm saying that you
Speaker 1: went on and did their thing, you know, for whatever
Speaker 1: reason at that time. You know it didn't It never happen,
Speaker 1: you know. Um for me, like with Chadwick, you know, Mike,
Speaker 1: you know these are two, These are two you know,
Speaker 1: imagine African American actors. You know, we're smart with chops
Speaker 1: and they just charisma machines, but totally different types of charisma.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, to see them go head to head
Speaker 1: in a movie, you know where they go head to
Speaker 1: head and turns the performance, you know, head to head
Speaker 1: and turns the physicality. You know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll just get shorry just thinking about it. Man. It's
Speaker 1: like Yo's you know, song's like running the clock back
Speaker 1: and we're giving and we're giving Fox to the Will
Speaker 1: Smith Denzel movie. You know that that you couldn't get
Speaker 1: in there too, by the way, Yeah, man, we were
Speaker 1: blessed with We were blessed with a really amazing cash
Speaker 1: and just speaking on he just speaking on the women
Speaker 1: man like like I'll be I'll be an idiot to
Speaker 1: to uh to to to jump off this podcast, and
Speaker 1: I talk about the incredible you know, the incredible women
Speaker 1: that we had to fill out the cash and and
Speaker 1: what they did. Man to be able to have scenes
Speaker 1: with with Lupita and denying it, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just them, I like, of flight, the luckiest you know,
Speaker 1: luckiest actor in the world, and to be able to
Speaker 1: um introduced Letitia to the world on a scale like this,
Speaker 1: you know, not sure I felt, you know, felt incredibly
Speaker 1: fortunate and be able to work with Angela Bashet as
Speaker 1: well her hair. So yeah, yeah, no, no, she Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt I felt fortunate. Yeah. Uh. And then this
Speaker 1: last thing Creed too, Was that ever something that was
Speaker 1: possible for you to direct? I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are disappointed that you won't be at the Helm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course it was possible. Man. Like um, you know,
Speaker 1: after that that move Cree was about me and my
Speaker 1: dad for me, you know, uh so it was it's
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a movie that it's a movie.
Speaker 1: I find it difficult to to watch, man. I can
Speaker 1: difficult me to even think about it, you know, I
Speaker 1: got I got so many emotional ties to it. Um
Speaker 1: not to mention, you know how much I care about
Speaker 1: the people involved, man like I cared, I cared deeply
Speaker 1: for for Mike, obviously deeply for testing. Um and I
Speaker 1: go incredibly costs with slide you're making that man, these
Speaker 1: people don't want to see. These people don't want to
Speaker 1: see do well and when you know, uh, at all
Speaker 1: at all costs, you know what I'm saying. And um,
Speaker 1: you know there's there's time and you know um um
Speaker 1: and and that film you know, for whatever reason, you
Speaker 1: know they had to go when when it when it's
Speaker 1: going um, and you know, I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a blessing that it's going. Man, I think that that. Um,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that they found an incredible filmmaker and Stephen
Speaker 1: Cabo Jr. Was a guy who I actually went the
Speaker 1: film school with. Um. Well, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of love and respect for it, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what what what he does with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait, you know. Yeah, well, uh, the movie
Speaker 1: is called Black Panther comes up February six. Uh, Daniel
Speaker 1: reminded me of February both in the UK. So anyway,
Speaker 1: early look at it, check it out. It's awesome, and
Speaker 1: Ryan Man, I really appreciate you coming on show though.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. Always a pleasure, Bro, you too. I
Speaker 1: have seen God's fly, I've seen men build weapons that
Speaker 1: I couldn't even imagine. I've seen aliens drop from the sky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have never seen anything like this. How much
Speaker 1: more you're hiding? How a up? Let's go out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my son, it is your time. Tell me about respecting
Speaker 1: out down you get to decide what kind of king
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