WEBVTT - Ep62 - Ryan Coogler / "Black Panther" 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.920 You're listening to playback a Variety podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:30.480 Variety Awards Editor Chris Tapply. He's just gonna grab a 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:37.479 quick over his shoulder here of you get mad. You 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.440 good to see you on Broken. I love podcast. Man, 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.199 you don't have a camera in your face. You can 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.640 just chill talk listening to him. Oh yeah, yeah, I 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.720 bring this back because we just need a clean surface 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.760 for the for this quick over the shoulder is gonna 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:59.800 be right right back. What do you listen to? Oh man, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.120 what you have time? I don't. I don't like you. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.000 When I'm filming, I don't listen to him, you know, 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.920 like like, um, but if I have a commute, if 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.680 I have a commute, when I would you know when 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.600 I get when I when I'll be able to like 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.200 if i'm communing mom in post Like, I can't listen 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.039 to him when I'm commuting in production. You know what 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.000 if I'm I'm a prepper or post, I could. So 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.920 the last one I was really listening to him tough. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.520 It was like when I was you know, when I 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.480 was making when I was making Create, like we're finishing 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.119 um uh doing sound on that in the Bay Area, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:42.240 Like when I was at Skywalker Ranch, and it's ranch 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.880 like a forty five minute commute from from my house, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.920 you know what I'm saying. So like I would be 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.160 able to you know, listen to like Coastal An episode 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.000 on the drive and then you know, come back. I 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:58.160 listen to Um, I Knocked Down, Sereal um and uh um. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.200 I don't have time. WHI do you have a commute? 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:07.480 I do? But like music, Yeah, music, music, music wins. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.600 But I gotta get in my early nineties music on 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:15.320 the way to work. That's it. That is it litium 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:21.919 bes man, that's all they want. Yeah, I'm terrified. I'm 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.800 terrified of that. Man like like it feels so good. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.720 It's like it's like it's like a it's like a 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.760 comfortable blanket. But I always was, always was like always 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.120 I remember being young and like meeting dudes. I would 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:35.960 have like uncles. I was like stuck in a decade. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.880 I think, only listen to music from a certain decade, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.679 only work calls from a certain decade. You know what 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.520 I'm saying. And I'll be like, man it, what's wrong 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.560 with these It's wrong with these dudes. Many like manyn't 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.600 make I don't make real music. Anymore. Man, nothing like this, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.359 Like so I'm terrified like becoming that person. So like 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.560 I try to, I try to at least like challenge 0:02:54.600 --> 0:03:00.560 myself to ye to at least um should be fine 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.679 these these aren't automatics, right, Okay, then we're fine with 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:09.120 this right here? Yeah? Cool? Sometimes they cut off next time. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.520 Yeah yeah, man, I'm I'm unapologetic. I'm I'm early nineties 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.959 guy listening to my pm don and my pm don 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.040 he said, a drift on the memory bliss that crazy. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.799 It feels good, like I remember me. It's busy. Was 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.919 riding in the car, like not too long ago. It 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.959 was like like we just happened to be listening to 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.000 the radio in the rental car and and it was 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.600 like like song after song came on and was like, man, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.160 this's just great, Like we're singing along to everything, like 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:43.840 oh this is perfect, and we realized by what it's 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.720 just an old blue station. And then and then sure 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.280 enough and it was like, oh my god, like you 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.200 know we had that we had that point where get 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.240 that flashback. Yeah, well we're recording. We've got Ryan Coogler here, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.840 the director and writer of Black Panther, which you've probably 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.960 heard plenty about at this stage. If you haven't, you're 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.840 living under a rock. Thanks for coming on the show man, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.760 Thanks for having good to have you here. I saw 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.440 the movie a couple of nights ago. It's electric. I mean, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.880 congrats on you a couple of years. I'm just super 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.680 happy for you that you got this opportunity and you 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.359 made the most out of it. So you know how 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.200 you feeling, I mean, how you feeling about the finished 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.640 product that you had the premiere already, so yeah, yeah, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.920 I mean I feel, uh, I got complicated feelings about it, man, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.840 like like, um, you know, uh, we've been working on 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.880 it so so hard and for so for so long. Um. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.159 That is it's it's kind of strange too to realize 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.520 that it's time to give it to to to the 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.400 to the world, you know. Um. It was great about 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.760 working with Marvel is that you know you're able. You 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.760 know you're able to work right until the last minute, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.680 you know, um, which is hot, which is how I 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.640 like to how I like to work. How I was taught, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.800 you know, um that you've never done with it to 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:57.800 you snatch it out of your hands, you know. Um, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.480 So that's kind of how we were. We would constantly 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.520 refine the constantly trying to make it, trying to make 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.440 it better, you know, right up into the right up 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.960 to the very end. Um uh so. So the good 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.400 thing about that is, you know, you get you get 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.680 a maximum time to work on it. That the bad 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.680 thing about that is you don't get much time from perspective, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.720 you know, so you're kind of just sharing it, you know, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.360 and in premieres or you know, that premiere was the 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.720 first time we played it for for for a real 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.320 sizeable audience, you know, like like usually you know, with 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:26.880 these types of films, you can only show them to 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.640 two small groups of people, yeah at a time, and 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.760 you know those people gotta be like India up like crazy, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.160 you know what I mean. And so, um, it's not 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:36.960 like with my It's not like with Creed where we 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.080 can go do a you know, a test mening and 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.040 and and you know in Nevada in the theater for 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.159 you know, six hundred people, you know, and see how 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.160 I see how it plays, you know. So I was 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.320 the first time she didn't play and you know, my 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.000 whole family was there from the Bay Area, you know, like, um, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.320 you know, my my mom, nine year old grandmother, was there. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.960 We had to you know, and I'm checking I'm checking 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.560 in on them and stuff, you know, so so it 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.800 was it was, um, it was. It was uh a 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.800 strange night emotionally, um. But you know, you gotta say 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.440 to see people, to see people, you know, seem to 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.760 be happy and seemed to have enjoyed the film. It's like, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.440 you know, it's the what's the world's biggest It's the 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.680 world's biggest lessing. Purple carpet was awesome. I saw the 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.159 pictures of that. I was like, oh wow, purple carpet. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.280 It was fun. It was fun to see anybody dress up. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.640 Uh you know, I got you know, Disney cart a 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.400 royal attire on a on a on a on a invite. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.200 So people came in African garments and stuff. It it 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.159 was beautiful to see. Like Daniel who was just talking 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.840 about he came in like the traditional traditional dress. He 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.480 was wondering what was going on there. Yeah, well, you know, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.240 this is a movie. I feel like it's unique in 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.040 the Superhero Afraid. It has something pretty definitive and clear 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.120 to say about the here and now you know it 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.640 obviously touches on global race relations, has ideas about borders. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.240 You know, it's definitively has something to say. And my 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.600 first question is just I'm curious if that was a vision, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.080 that is that all difficult to get through that Marvel system. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.600 I mean I would saying no, not at all, like like, um, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.800 surprisingly so because I imagine that that that it would be. Um. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.400 I remember when I first you know, when I first 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.600 met met the folks over at at Marvel Winnis. It's 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.320 not a lot of people, you know, like uh um, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.360 And I think this, I think the studio used to 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.840 be running quite a bit different than it is than 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.080 than it is now. It's been you know, it's it's 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.000 it's it's it's changed over over over time. Um. Um. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.240 But now it's kind of like what you see is 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.000 what you get there and and and the and the 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.320 l A officers that on the Disney lot. You know, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.520 you got Kevin Fay, Who's Who's who's the head of 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.160 the studio. UM companies kind of a brandchild, you know, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.280 and um you got you got lou Lou de Esposito 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.200 um and Victoria Alonso Um. You know both those two 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.600 are amazing, you know, very different creative and thinks from Kevin. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.880 You know, which is great UM for him because they 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.560 kind of like the it's chief collaborators, you know. UM 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.240 and then you got Nate Moore, who who's who was 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.360 the executive that was a signed to to this, to 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:02.720 this project and who had been trying to you know, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.760 get black panthers made since he had been at the company. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.760 UM he also made when a Soldier, you know, make 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.800 Civil War, you know. And then we then we started 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.680 talking about about this um and when I went to 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.440 sit down and talk to them, you know, I I 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.160 thought about what the opportunity would be with this, with 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:19.720 this character. You know. They kind of told me what 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.640 they were thinking about as a company, for the for 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.320 the character, how they saw him fitting into what they 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.480 were trying to do um and and they and they say, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:28.640 you know what was you? You know, how was you 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.080 want to want to tell the story? So I went 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.840 away thought about it, watched Civil War, UM you know, uh, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.440 and in kind of was able to to to process 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.080 a lot of the feelings I've been having towards myself, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.400 my own personal identity, and my obsession was going to Africa. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.160 I hadn't been there yet. I always wanted to um 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.920 and and and the world to kind of learn about 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.000 that stuff was was only going as stronger as I 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.599 was getting older. Um, you know, I came back to 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.400 them and kind of you know, pitched him the movie 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.760 that we that we ended up making. Um for the 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.079 most part, you know, specifically thematically, UM, a lot of 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.240 things that we wanted to attack and approach, and I 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.760 expected them to kind of kind of like, man, let me, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.400 let me, let's get back to you, you know what 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.240 I mean. But but right right there, right there in 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.640 the room when we were Kevin Sham and that's awesome, 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.480 we would let him make something like that, Let's do it, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.640 you know, let's get the work right now. And I 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.240 realized that, you know, for whatever reason, um be it 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.520 that they they've had you know, a lot of success recently. Um, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.200 it's possible that they had a company lay about Bo 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.480 Bob Igor who's who's very you know, who's very brave 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.240 and you know, successful and ready to do new things, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.480 adventure things in storytelling and in the medium. Um, but 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.280 that were they were getting for it, you know. Uh. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.880 And I was really, you know, really surprised to see that. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.240 And and as as we went through the process, that 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.199 were constantly pushing me to make it more personally, you 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.000 know what I mean, making make it more more relevant, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.000 which is great. I mean when we talked, we were 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.800 talking about the last time we spoke about Creed, and 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.280 that movie was full of you. I mean, it had 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.480 so much of your personal life in it. So it's 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.680 great that you can do that and something on this scale, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.320 you know what I mean, that's only gonna ground it, right. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.280 And it's also great that they're consistently lately able to 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.559 have these filmmakers come in with these definitive divisions. I 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.600 had Taka on the show last fall talking about Thor 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.200 and you know that was clearly a type of movie 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.120 I don't know, so more than a Marvel movie, right. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.800 So it's great that they're able to have these filmakers 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.880 come in with their own personal stamps. So, uh, do 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.520 you feel the sense of you know, history that exists 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.160 with this project for you? Or you kind of too 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.959 close to it to fill those vibrations right now? I 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.679 think for me, I'm a comic book fan. I'm a 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.600 movie fan, as we talk about, you know what I mean, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.880 And I'm a comic book movie fan. Um, you know, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.040 and there and there's been you know, there's been Um, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.199 a lot of movies that I've seen, some movies that 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.599 I love that had you know, you know black superheroes, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.120 you know, in the you know, in the in the 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.520 films Typle Carrious. I mean, I think, like how much 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.480 I love Blade one and Year Amos Taken on Blade, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.800 Blair Too and West Snipes performance and those movies. And 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.200 you know, I think about um, I think about Hancock, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.520 you know, I think about um even even you know, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.679 taking taken it back with you know, with with with 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.160 medior Man. You know, still you know what I mean, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:09.280 these these these types of films um and And the 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.720 truth is that you know, there's this it's felt niche 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.880 before you know, this is yeah bigger, yeah, yeah, I 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.280 mean it's just gonna have a bigger skill than all 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.719 this has a bigger skill, you know, a larger you know, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.000 financial commitment from the studio, um, you know movies. But 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.000 the the truth is, like you know, this film is 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.959 about This film is something different because it's about the 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.959 continent of Africa, you know, and and not just the 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.600 title character is is is African, but you know pretty 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.880 much everybody around that's how the character is African. You know, 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.240 we were giving incredible opportunities to to to fill out 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.320 you know, fill up the screen with with African people 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.840 and people of African decent, you know, um, which which 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.120 for me was what's really cool because if you know, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.040 you look at those, look at those you know, look 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.040 at those black movies. You know, you know West he 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.160 tends to be like the only, the only, the only 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.800 black guy, like you know, I remember Black One is 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.280 moms in it, you know what I mean. But but 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.440 you know, it's it's a it's a it's a black guy, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.959 you know, kind of surrounded by the world that that 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.840 isn't necessarily that you know, which is you know, which 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.920 is great stories about that as will um. But but 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.760 but for me, this opportunity was was uh unique because 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.040 it was like, oh wait, man, we get to make 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.600 something I truly haven't you know, I haven't truly haven't 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.600 seen before. You know, we were kind of uncharted waters 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.880 in terms of, um, the skill that we're playing with 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.560 and the fact that we're dealing with the continent of Africa, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.640 you know, and and and also exploring with it. You know, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.320 for me, the big question for me, the big theme 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.679 UM and when you talked about you know, we talked 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.800 about questions like I'm a naturally curious person. The reason 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.680 I make artists because I'm you know, it's because I'm curious. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.439 If I can find a way to feed my curiosity, UM, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:44.840 that's the best way for me to motivate myself through 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.880 a completion of a project. And for me, they had 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.000 the big question starting off, and this was, you know, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:50.920 what does it mean to be African? You know what 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.880 does that concept me? Um? Because it's one that I 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.040 can't I can't answer that myself, you know. UM. And 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.319 as an African American art history with the with the 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.520 with the continent is very fraud you know, we're not 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.839 able to generally able to tire our lineage back um, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.599 as a result of a very specific traumatic experience that 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.360 happened to us, you know. UM. So so how we 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.640 how we learned about the continent is it skewed you know, 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.000 through that, through that limb, through that relationship, um, and 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.160 how we learn about ourselves excued, you know, UM. And 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:21.920 it was always a gap in me, you know, in 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.920 my own identity, um, surrounded by that, surrounded by that question. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.000 It's a question that I had, you know, before I 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.120 was motivated to make my first two films actually, so 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.440 in many ways, this is my most personal, the most 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.640 personal film. Um but but it is that that idea 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.240 of you know, what it what it truly means to 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.680 be African, what it truly means to be a person 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.320 of African descient in this world. That kind of motivated 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.520 all of the research, everything that we put into this movie. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.960 Did you come up with a personal answer? I mean, 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.000 I'm still finding it, but I think I think the 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.200 biggest thing was for me. You know, I hadn't taken 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.319 a trip to Africa yet, you know, I was when 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.000 when when they when they called me, I was finishing 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.760 up create you know, we met, you know, and I 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.520 was I was not between nine years old, you know, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.559 and I've been wanting to go to this place my 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.559 whole life, ever since, ever since my parents sat me 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.440 down and told me I was black, you know, which 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.520 is I was really young, you know, because you gotta 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.800 kind of tell a kid who's who's black? You know 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:15.920 what they are because the world is gonna treat you 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.280 a certain way, as you know, because of it. You know, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.680 in certain situations, Uh, when you're black, you know here 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.480 in this country, your life can be at staky if 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.760 you make the wrong move, you know what I'm saying. Um. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.960 So ever since then, I wanted to go to this 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.160 kind of almost like mythic place, you know what I mean. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.280 And you see representations in this place in media, and 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.520 a lot of times the representations that you see, uh 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.840 are things that make you feel a shame, you know 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.560 what I mean. It's kind of like sources of shame, 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.520 you know. Um. Um, you see you know, starving children, 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.000 you know what I mean. You see you see people 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.760 that that that in the need of a from other 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:56.040 places you know. Um, it's just strife, chysical strife, you know. Um. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:57.840 If there aren't things that make you that, I make 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.960 you feel proud, feel proud of you know. Um. And 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.520 in that ship, as I got older and learn and 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.920 learn more, I learned. I learned a lot of a 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.080 lot of the struggles we deal with, you know, kind 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.440 of come as a result of that needs, a global struggles. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.480 I'll meet people out of from the continent and talk 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.840 to them, let's talk to talk about things that they're 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.200 going through. I asked them about news reports that I've seen, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.360 about the pleasures that they're from. And a lot of 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.240 times the answer it we always deeper than that, you know. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.200 And and I kind of explained you know. Um, but 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.000 but but on my trip, you know, on my trip 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.440 back to the continent, man, like you know what I'll discovered. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.280 It's kind of like what I knew all along. Um, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.680 to be Africans means to be human, you know, Um, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.520 you know what I mean. It means it means you 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.880 you you love art, you know what I mean, so 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.640 much that you that you put it everywhere. You know, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.880 you put it on your clothes, you put it on 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.080 your body, you know, Um. And you'll make art out 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.680 of anything. You know, if you only got if you 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.480 only got dirt and wood and sticks, you're gonna find 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.480 a way they make all out of that, you know. Um. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.520 To be African is to be. It's to be you know, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.320 It's to be beautiful. It's just to love. It's to 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.280 love your family so much that even when they die, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:15:59.960 you still don't let them go. You talk about them 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.400 if they still right there. Um, to be Africa is 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.120 that love to dance, you know what I mean? And 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.400 it dance until you can't you can't move anymore, and 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.560 still dance some more. And if I say that, I 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.320 mean you can say that about any human being. You 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.040 know what I mean, because because that's where all human 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.640 beings come from. You know, it's scientifically proven, you know, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.760 um So, to be African is just to be human. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.320 Um And for whatever reason, you know, I hadn't seen 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.720 much much media that that that that that showed that, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.360 you know, um So, I was. It was really exciting 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.280 to be able to export that on this campus, on 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:36.160 this campus pop culture media. Where uh, where in Africa 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.800 did you go? Countries? I went to. I went to 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.480 South Africa first, um And I was for a couple 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.280 of reasons. When I when I when I watched the 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.200 film Civil War, which how you come out check? Uh, 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.520 I saw that that Shadwick and um um actor Dr 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.120 John Connie, who played his father in that film, we're 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.960 speaking in a language that I had never heard before. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.480 It was a language that sounded ancient and an interesting. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.960 Um So when I so, when I got out of 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.960 the movie, I went and talked to U Nate Moore 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.359 and Kevin Figy and I asked what languages that I 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.080 thought they hadn't been to the language for the for 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.080 the film. You know what kind of like, um you've 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.280 been Valkan and Romula or something you know, or or 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.159 the Elvish language and Lord of the Rings. You know, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:16.960 I was really taken by and they said, oh no, 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.879 that's that's uh, that's something that kind of happened by 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.200 a happenstance, you know. Um, you know, Dr John Conny 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.480 is South African from from a close our tribe. I'm 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.239 an muttered this, but but it's but it's it's uh, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.160 you know, you said, it's a language that that developed 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.720 with clicks. It's very old language. And he's from the 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.720 close our tribe in South Africa. And he taught Chadwick 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.440 the lines that they were supposed to say in that 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.280 language because they felt like an African king and African 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.960 princeship speech speaking African language when they're talking amongst each other. Um. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.280 And and so I said, okay, so that's the kind 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.439 of language, you know what I mean, clost Our language. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.359 So I said, well, I'd like to go where I 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.000 can find all these people, you know what I mean, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.800 and maybe I'll started to start my research there. So 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.000 I went to I went to Cape Town first in 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.080 South Africa, and I went completely by myself. Um. It 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.040 was right before I got married, um you know, um, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.040 and I felt like I felt happy that this project 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.120 and that with me to to to to learn learn 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.840 more about myself, you know, with this ship before you know, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.280 before taking that next the next major step in my life, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.320 you know. UM. And so I was by myself, went 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.959 to Kpe Town, went to Johannesburg, and then I went 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.840 to a I learned about the country while I was there, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.840 called the sut Um the Kingdom of the Sto, which 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.800 is an enclave you know, inside of South Africa. UM. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.000 For whatever reason, they hadn't gotten colonized the same way 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.320 that the areas around it did. It's very poor country, UM, isolated, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.640 not many people know about it. And I was I said, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.520 oh wow, man, maybe what Kanna could be something like that, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:40.320 you know, because I hadn't even heard of this place, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.560 you know, UM as an American saw the foot of 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.840 the Suo to and and I and I learned that 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.320 the reason that that that it that it didn't get 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.040 colonized in the same way that the rest of Africa 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.960 did was because it has these really intense mountainous regions 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.360 where snows like crazy, and the people there are ski 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.320 you know, on snow and ski snow cover ski slopes 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.280 and the tribes around there wear blankets. They were these 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.320 beautiful blankets. So that's kind of where I got the 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.119 idea for one of the tribes you know in the 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.280 film um And you know, I took pictures of of 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.840 of of h shepherds that were those blankets, like what 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.240 I thought was completely beautiful. Um. You know. And and 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.359 it's a kingdom, you know what I mean, It's like 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.600 like uh, the Kingdom of the suits too. It's called 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.120 the Mountain Kingdom, you know. But it's very very poor, 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.840 you know, it's kind of cut off from from from 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.840 from the same trade relations in South Africa has you know, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.320 as a result of them um not being colonized in 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.879 the same way. Um. But but but that trip was 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.399 eye opening. And there from there I went to uh 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.080 went to Kenya, where I hung out with Lupete's family. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.680 You know. Lupete's family kind of took karre me and 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.920 Nairobi took me around to me gonna spend time with 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.560 the Massai charges me to Massai land um and and 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.359 it was you know it was Lupete wasn't there. She 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.720 was she was hearing the stade working. Um but I 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.320 family was was incredible. I meant with professors, you know, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.040 kind of talking about what I was doing, went to 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.160 go listen to music concerts, spend time with spend time 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.480 with random families, and went to rituals that they had. Um. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.000 You know, while I was there, I kind of learned 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.080 that a lot of the things that a lot of 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:11.960 things that that that are done on the continent, that 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.720 they call rituals, that think that they've been doing for 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.000 thousand and thousands of years, we do as African Americans 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.840 in the States, and we don't really know why we 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:20.240 do it, you know what I mean, we just we 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:21.720 just do it. We just call it hanging out or 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.439 we'll call it, you know, a party, or we call 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.520 it this and that. But it's it's literally like the 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.160 same exact things. So so the trip kind of taught 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.159 me that that, yeah, we still do you know, we 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.120 still we still connected to the continent, you know, even 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.800 if you don't know it, like you know, those things, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.480 those rituals, those things that we do are still in us. Um. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.000 So it was really moving. You know, I felt I 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.879 felt like whole from that from that trip. That's awesome. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.680 All that comes through in the movie too, that's assassurated 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.879 with you know, obviously what you learned. Well, I'm curious 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.440 to just like, what kind of input do you have 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.399 on a movie like that? Is this massive when it 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.640 comes to the visual identity of the movie in the marketing, 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.960 because that is such a huge element of the identity 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.560 of a movie like this, and given that it's such 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.760 a personal movie, I would think maybe you'd like to 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:07.920 have a hand in that, But I don't know. You 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.359 tell me, like, what what kind of ideas did you 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.159 have for that? Were you able to provide for that? 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.600 I mean yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.760 you know, like uh, I mean, obviously the visual identity 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.720 of the movie. You know, um, I have a big 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.640 influence song, you know, because we were making the movie, 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:27.480 you know, um and in the Disney Disease marketing department 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.240 you know, headed up Ricky Strawson and the sold yeahs. 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.760 You know, they're brilliant, you know, um, and and that 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.520 they have an imagined way of capturing the essence of 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.720 the films that they're working on, but at the same 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.240 time using their own knowledge of what it takes to 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:43.920 put butts in seats, you know what it what it 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.920 takes to get people excited. In the poll from like 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.280 a four quadrant you know, marketplace. UM. So it's kind 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:51.879 of like a blend of all those two things. But 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.080 but you know, they were incredibly collaborative. You know, they 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.560 watched they watched cuts of the film early on before 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.520 they cut the trailers. They talked to us, you know, 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:00.800 the filmmakers, but me, me and us and you know 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.439 a lot of times with me and Nate and Kevin, um, 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.600 you know, we would see cuts of trailers and and 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.520 and and had a chance to to give you feedback. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.560 Um uh get to get to kind of have a 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.639 same music sometimes, you know. UM. And they and they 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.000 were extremely helpful in terms of uh assistant that's with 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.119 with getting to Kindrick Kendrick deal done, you know, um 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.960 uh and supportive you know in terms of that, UM 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.359 talk about Kendrick, what was you know bringing him out 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.000 of this project in this way? What was that about? 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:33.920 I mean, it was it was it was it was 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.000 a blessing man like like um if for me, you know, 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.959 I work with I work with an incredible composer, um 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.159 a little bit garing song who yeah, yeah, who who 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.760 Who's Who's Who's a great composer and the music producer 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.280 as well and he and I have a have a 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:51.840 crazy level of music, you know what I mean. We 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:53.720 were listening to music together before we started to make 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.600 make films together. And one thing that he's time to 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.480 that is is he's time to that, you know, constructing 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.600 a authentic orchestral score. But he also produces, you know, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.040 hip hop music and in pop music. So so you know, 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.119 one thing that was a dream of ours always was 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.359 to was to make a film, but to also have 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.920 a soundtrack that that that played along with the film. 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.600 You know, where we use a couple of songs from 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.200 the soundtrack in the movie, but it's another piece that 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.760 people can experience the film through um that maybe diverts 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.520 from it a little bit, but still has the same 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:26.040 the same story, the same soul there. And and I've 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.240 been a fan of Kenji Kenji Lt Morris since uh 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.800 Sin his mix tape days, you know, since I was 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:32.159 in film school and he was dropping you know, he 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.280 was dropping mix tapes, and I'll be kind of you know, 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.520 kind of hunting them down, you know, and always enjoying 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.800 his always enjoying listening to his music and fund finding 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:45.879 the motivational and and and thematic uh And eventually Um 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.200 I think like maybe maybe maybe two or three years back, 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.600 I got to meet Athony Tipic who runs TDE was 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.320 kind of named after music names top Dog. UM. And 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.520 I met him through Charles King, who who was my 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.520 agent then but now he runs uh my a Cross Studios. UM. 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.159 He put me put Top and Eye in touch. We 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.040 would talk, you know, um, you know, stay in touch 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:08.920 and look look for some for Kendrick and out of 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.600 working together. UM. And then about two years ago, I 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:14.359 right after I right after I finished Creed and it 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.879 was released, I was able to sit down with Top 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.720 and Kendrick and uh and Dad Free over at t 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.040 D and we just sparked about some things that that 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:23.440 that he was working on, let them know what I 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.040 was working on, and I'll be taking this project. UM. 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:27.679 And then I let him, you know, I let him 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.960 work with him on this win and if the opportunity came. 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.879 I think he was working on Damn at the time. UM. 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:34.879 And then he finished that up and it timed up. 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:36.760 You know, it worked out that you know, he uh 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.800 he you know, I reached out to him again, UM 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.560 in in top of the top seller. Let's let's sit 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.840 down and meet you know those guys cand of Marvel Studios. UM, 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.800 we showed them some footage and um, next thing we 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.399 knew Kendrick was in Um you know, and then he 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.879 came by, came by a little letter and you watched, 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.399 you know, watch most of the movie. UM, and we 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.680 talked about you know, he talked about what he would 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.920 you know, what he thought of it and uh. And 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:04.040 then you know, you talked about artists. You know that 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.399 he would like to work with artists that I was 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.800 always interested and seeing with the how they can contribute. UM. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.400 And then he went away and he went to work. 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.760 You know, it makes some makes some really beautiful stuff, 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.560 you know, some stuff to send a movie. UM. His producer, 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:17.760 sound Wave, worked with Louvig on something really cool with 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.399 that's in the movie as well. UM. And Louvig was 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.439 just kind of a mastermind that weaving in and weaving 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.840 out of school in in kind and sound Wave and 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.560 those guys stuff. UM. So I'm really excited to hear 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.479 what people with people, Uh, hear what people think. It's 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.359 a great soundtrack, man, I mean just the way you 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.960 can sense those moments where it comes in to score 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:37.600 and comes out and just you know, the beat drops 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.080 and it's just again more of the unique flavor of 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.160 the movie. That's just makes it something special. In the fray, 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.400 Ruth Carter, Man, I want to talk about Ruth Carter 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.680 and the whole all the design elements of the movie 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.000 are on point. Actually, an old film school friend of 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.359 mine was one of your art directors in Atlanta, Carroll. 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:58.760 But the Ruth Carter is a legend, and she is 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.680 the obvious choice to work on this movie. So I 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:03.720 just want to talk about working with her. And yeah, 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.119 Ru's amazing, man like, she really is. She she um, 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:12.359 you know she costume design a lot of Spice movies, 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.639 you know, work with spiel right before, you know. But 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.560 I mean I remember seeing I remember seeing you know, 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.399 Malcolm Max when I was a baby. You know what 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.080 I mean. She's being blown away, Um, how really felt 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.840 especially felt the epic it felt. You know, you talk 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.240 about you know, you talk about superhero movies, man like 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.480 you know, you know, Spike Leaves, Micoel max I was 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.600 a superhero movie in my book, you know. Um, and 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.240 and just just just about the scale and in a weight, 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.040 you know what I mean that it was given and 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.119 a and the and the um and in the in 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.280 the lands that it was shown through, you know, the context. 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.280 You know, I think that that roof. I mean, she's 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.200 she's amazing, man. You look at what she's done with Avery, 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:54.359 with Summer. You know. Um, she's so varsato you know 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.359 in this in this um, this film was it was 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.359 years of no Brander when I found out she was interested, 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:02.919 you know, um, and working with her was terrific. I mean, 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.399 you know, um, and it's interesting like she she's so 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.800 so collaborative, you know, because I had Marvel. Um you 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.840 have a have a department called visual Development, you know, 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.840 where they kind of workshop all that the hero uniforms 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.480 you know, Um, it's hair headed up by guy named 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:20.120 Ryan Minor Dame who's a coming book you know, comic 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.080 book Glover and the artist who develops these things, and 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.120 and Ruth. You know, I was able to to look 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.720 at the look at the stuff that Ryan was doing, 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:28.480 you know, for the for the for the Panthers suit, 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.399 you know what I mean, for the Dora costumes and 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.720 things of that nature, and and and and emerge and 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.760 melted and constructed, you know, and up the value of it, 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.600 you know, um, and also put it in with all 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.000 the amazing costumes that you see on the characters throughout 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.639 the film, and you know, personally making the traditional costumes 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.000 and and you know, and the costumes when the characters 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.440 go all undercover, you know, and still finding a way 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.399 to uh make sure they feel with conna still you 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.240 know what I mean. But it's realistic that people don't 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.680 pick them out. Um. And the green dresses with Peter 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.160 wears and that one, that's all. That's all ruf. Yeah, 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.560 that's all rufe man. Yeah. And and and for us, 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.560 we had you know, working with another incredible designers, Hannah 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:13.680 Bickler where who was our production designer? Who did you 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.320 fruit Reale creating? She handed the Moonlight, you know, she 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.600 did Beyonce's Lemonade. Um. Uh, we come up with a 0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.920 color story, um because because for us, you know, so 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.000 many characters in this film, you know, and every film 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:27.440 we worked on, we try to make the color story 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.560 you know. Um, So for this with so many characters 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.440 in this film, you know, you'll see characters only where 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.040 generally the only wear a specific color you know, on 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.760 every scene at the end, no matter what they're wearing, 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.720 you know, we kind of color story, uh drive it. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:44.800 And and we assigned um specific uh ideas and concepts 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.920 of each color, you know. Um so, so Rufe was 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.360 able to take that. What are some examples on that, well, 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.400 uh so so for so, for example, if you look 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.000 at the color purple, then to cover the color purple 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.880 in the in the in the film represents royalty and spirituality, 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.160 you know, um so, so you'll see that the harshhyped 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.160 herb you know, and everything related to the hardshype of 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.160 Irish purple in the film, you know, and and forest 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.640 whose complied the spiritual leader of what kind of you know, 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.560 it's constantly and you know, it's constantly in some form 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.080 of shype with purple. You know, the child as the 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.280 black panther, you know, but he's also you know, a 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:21.040 spiritual god, traditional guy in the royal guy. So you 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.360 often see his black accident with accident with purple, you know. Um. 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:26.720 The color red is like the color of like the 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.760 Messiah warriors in red, black and green, you know, kind 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.200 of the colors of Africa, the Pan African flag, the 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.520 Pan African you know, liberation flag. Um you know, the 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:38.360 rare kind of represents the blood of the people with 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.400 the black versus the skin and the green represisting land 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.920 the fart the farther land. UM, the kids from the 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.360 river tribe. So you're always seeing the kid shyes, of green. 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.920 I would like the color of that tribe um in 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.240 in green and kind of color color opportunity to color change, 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.880 you know, the color color innovation, you know, UM and 0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.800 you know red being the symbol of blood, you know, 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.120 and for us loyalty and warriors, that was the color 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.520 of the door. So you always see Deny, you know, 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.080 in some form of real We also actually at the 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.160 medals you know, for for royalty and rank. You know, 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:12.840 DENI is the only door as you see with the 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.000 gold with the gold actutions. All the rest of them 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.520 have you know, had the regular silver vib running mac 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.920 since cool and I wanted to I should have asked 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:22.520 this at the top, but I'm just curious what your 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:27.360 first experience with the character was when you comments Charlotte 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.800 oh Man, Yes, it's an interesting UM, because I got 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.200 into comics from my older cousin UM when I was 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.720 really young, like like like barely I would have read 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.080 you know, I would read his comics and he read everything, man, 0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:41.920 but his coolest one. I always started with the ex 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.240 men comics, and I love Wolverine, you know, so like 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.480 I read his his Wolverine comments. They had the weapon 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.520 ex commics, all the Wolverine standing loans Man, we had 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.960 the big long clause, you know, big here, you know, 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.200 the crazy ninety stuff. Um, so I love that stuff 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.760 and I and I continue to read them. Um. I 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.080 couldn't know. I didn't really have My parents wouldn't really 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:02.640 give me money like that, so I couldn't really I 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.040 couldn't really buy them. But I would go to this 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.880 comic book shot that was by my m I was 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.280 by my school, uh and I was I was going 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.920 there in between like school and basketball practice of school 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.960 and daycare, and I would just read comics till they 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:15.959 kicked me out, you know. And I remember one day 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.800 I went in because I was thinking, you know, I 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:20.400 like to read a comic pot that's based on a 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.400 black guy. You know, I've seen all these different different books, 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.920 and you know often times that the black folks kind 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.120 of relegated to this to the to the size. Um, 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:30.560 I just think X me and they had to. You know, 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.640 I had Storm, who was really awesome, and they had Bishop, 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:34.360 but it was rare that she really got into that 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.000 to the to the to the story. You know, they're 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.959 kind of like you know, you know, solide characters. Um. 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.440 So I asked, man, you need books like that here, 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.120 you know that that have have a black guy, you know, 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.680 or a black person at the forefront, you know, And 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.440 comic book shot worker was like, yeah, as a matter 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:50.760 of fact, we do. So he walked me over to 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.760 to to a little section. Uh they had black panther, 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.000 you know, and he kind of told me about him 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.000 and walking me, you know, walking me through you know, 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.040 who he was and what he did, you know. And 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.520 it wasn't like you know, the issues. Man, they might 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.320 have been on issue number whatever, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.000 So you can't get the real origin of it in there, 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:07.960 you know. But so I so I picked it up 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.720 and read it and and I loved it. But I 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.040 also felt a little bit disconnected from it, you know, um, 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:14.760 because I was like, man, this dude was not This 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:16.600 dude is not me. He's he's African, you know what 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.160 I mean. I didn't see myself as Africa and I 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.040 saw myself as African American, you know, um, you know 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:22.560 in my mind, and it was it was a big 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.440 difference you know, Um, I didn't you know, I didn't 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.080 never been an African. You know, I didn't know my heritage. 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.200 You know, I didn't have a cool African name, you 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:31.920 know what I'm saying. Like, you know, so I was 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.960 kind of like, uh, still not it, you know. Um. 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.240 But as as I got older, you know, um, and 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:41.760 I got a lot cooler, you know, when with the 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.400 writers taking really different types on them and making him, 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.880 making him just as awesome as, if not more awesome 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.920 than the other characters around him in the Marvel Commerce universe, 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.760 I started to get I started to get more into it. 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.360 You know. Um, we're still we're still we'll still probably 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:57.960 still get put a gun in my head. Probably still 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.440 more of a Batman guy than anything else, you know. Um, 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.800 But but you know I was, I was into it, 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.000 you know. And then uh, you know, recent times came 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.480 and you know, the Hickman runs. You know, you're just 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.160 getting cooler and cooler, you know what I mean, you 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.440 pick it up and like it's like really really utilizing 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.040 all of his awesomeness. And then the cult around I came. 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.000 We're trying to hosk him, Brian stell Freeze and that's 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.240 and that was just like the pinnacle of how cool 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.360 black Panther could be, Like all of my all of 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.960 the all of the the the thought that, like so 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:26.760 I thought I would have a bottom seeming, it seemed 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.120 to start to go away and and how cool to 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.720 women around and started to like really really be highlighted, 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:33.520 you know. So, And I was right around the time 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.320 I started talking with with with natives. Will um, you know, 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.320 so I kind of put it over the top. It's awesome. 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.000 I wanted to just branch out this a couple of 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.640 things before I let you go. Is your next movie 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.480 going to be? Wrong? Answer? I'm not sure my next 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.400 movie is man like like it's it's uh, I can't 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.200 even think about it right now. Yeah even no, no, no, 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.400 But I wanted to talk about that because if indeed 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.400 it is, and certainly it's on your plate anyway, it's 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.640 it's I appreciate the fact that you're willing to scale back, 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.360 you know, after doing something masses And this is a 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.680 fascinating true story. It's about these teachers who faked students 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.200 test scores but in order to keep the school's funded. 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.080 I mean, it's a complex story. It's not as simple. 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.720 It's just cheating texts. No, it's a it's an INCREDI 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.799 it's an incredible story, man like, Um, it's an incredible story. 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.279 It's an incredible it's an incredible project. Um. You know 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:23.280 it's based on based on the amazing artists by amazing 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.120 article by roding A Rachel viv Um the New Yorker. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.160 the New Yorker. And and and it's about an amazing 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.680 guy you know that Demanti Lewis, who's actually from Oakland, Um, 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.239 who's who's out there uh teaching actually going to Clark 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.400 Atlantic University. And it's it's it's a it's a story 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:45.879 about it's just it's a story about a person who 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.600 found who found who finds their calling, um, which is 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.400 which is educating kids. Um. But but it's in it. 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.120 But it's in a system that is that is that 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:58.160 is so broken you know, um, Um that that they 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.520 that they for whatever reason, only see one way one 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.520 way to uh to to do their job, you know, 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.560 which is which to do something you know illegal. Um. 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.239 It's just a heartbreaking story but incredibly interesting, incredibly uh 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.319 all inspiring. Um. You know. And I hope, I hope, 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:14.920 I hope, I hope I get to make it. You 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.120 know what I mean. It's got incredible people you know, 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.440 attached to it. You know, playing b Um has the rights, 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.239 you know. You know Jammy, Jammy Kleiner and d D. 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.799 Garner over there. You know they make great movies. Um, 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.200 and uh, you know we're hoping to make it with Mike, 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.160 Michael B. Jordan's um talking calls. Who were just talking 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.040 about um? You know you don't helping to write it, um, 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.160 but I'm not sure what what's what's what's going on, 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:37.960 What's going on, what's going on next? You know? All 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:39.960 that those really all those folks are really busy people, man. 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.080 And I'm and I'm frankly focused on getting Black Panther 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.040 onto the world right now. Definitely. Well, you mentioned Michael there. Michael, 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.640 hopefully you'll make that with him, and he's obviously got 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.200 a sweet rolling Black Panther. Did you like him? Oh? Man, 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:54.400 that's good. But I just want to talk about that 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.759 ongoing collaboration. What is it about it that works so well? 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.520 I mean Number one is Mike really times you know, 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.120 it's like it's like a coach who who culturees Lebron 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.360 James and Steph Curry your first time out. You know, 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:06.640 you know, you don't want to trade them. You know 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.160 what I'm saying, keep now, you keep them around um foot. 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.239 For this project for Black Panthers specifically, the thing that 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.400 was so exciting about working with Mike on that for 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.200 this was because you know, you said, you're a nineties guy, man, 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.279 you know, like I'm you know, we're the same mage roughly, 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:26.120 I think, right, And and I came up watching films 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.239 and not okay, yeah, okay, yeah, but but I came 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.320 up watching those films in the nineties man. And and 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.360 you talk about like like black super heroes, man for 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.759 For for us, it was it was like three of them. 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.000 You know what I'm saying. It was you know you 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:44.520 had you know, you had you had Denzel. You know, 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.120 you have Will Smith, and you had Wesley, you know. 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.600 And these are guys who would make these massive movies 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.880 and they would be these amazing heroes. And you can 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.239 tell they had acting shops, you know, in physicality, you 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.239 know what I mean. And and I was always the 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.440 guy who was always waiting for, you know, the Will 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.879 Smith Denzel movie. You know what I mean. We're Will 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.239 Smith and Denzel either went head to head or when 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:06.960 Will Smith and Denzel is like teamed up on some 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:08.520 buddy cops. Shit. You know what I'm saying that you 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.200 went on and did their thing, you know, for whatever 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:15.040 reason at that time. You know it didn't It never happen, 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.080 you know. Um for me, like with Chadwick, you know, Mike, 0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.520 you know these are two, These are two you know, 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:26.440 imagine African American actors. You know, we're smart with chops 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.440 and they just charisma machines, but totally different types of charisma. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.759 You know. Um, to see them go head to head 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.880 in a movie, you know where they go head to 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.040 head and turns the performance, you know, head to head 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.440 and turns the physicality. You know what I mean. Um, 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.239 I'll just get shorry just thinking about it. Man. It's 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.080 like Yo's you know, song's like running the clock back 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:46.680 and we're giving and we're giving Fox to the Will 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.920 Smith Denzel movie. You know that that you couldn't get 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.640 in there too, by the way, Yeah, man, we were 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.839 blessed with We were blessed with a really amazing cash 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.880 and just speaking on he just speaking on the women 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.520 man like like I'll be I'll be an idiot to 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.520 to uh to to to jump off this podcast, and 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.839 I talk about the incredible you know, the incredible women 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.920 that we had to fill out the cash and and 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.920 what they did. Man to be able to have scenes 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.640 with with Lupita and denying it, you know, and it's 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.320 just them, I like, of flight, the luckiest you know, 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.800 luckiest actor in the world, and to be able to 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.920 um introduced Letitia to the world on a scale like this, 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.880 you know, not sure I felt, you know, felt incredibly 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.680 fortunate and be able to work with Angela Bashet as 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.239 well her hair. So yeah, yeah, no, no, she Yeah, 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.719 I felt I felt fortunate. Yeah. Uh. And then this 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.320 last thing Creed too, Was that ever something that was 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.200 possible for you to direct? I think a lot of 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.319 people are disappointed that you won't be at the Helm. Yeah, 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.840 I mean, I mean, I mean, of course, I mean, 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.520 of course it was possible. Man. Like um, you know, 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.279 after that that move Cree was about me and my 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.799 dad for me, you know, uh so it was it's 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.040 a you know, it's a movie that it's a movie. 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.680 I find it difficult to to watch, man. I can 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.440 difficult me to even think about it, you know, I 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.920 got I got so many emotional ties to it. Um 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.680 not to mention, you know how much I care about 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.120 the people involved, man like I cared, I cared deeply 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:13.840 for for Mike, obviously deeply for testing. Um and I 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.040 go incredibly costs with slide you're making that man, these 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:18.560 people don't want to see. These people don't want to 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.799 see do well and when you know, uh, at all 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.279 at all costs, you know what I'm saying. And um, 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.160 you know there's there's time and you know um um 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.520 and and that film you know, for whatever reason, you 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.200 know they had to go when when it when it's 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.640 going um, and you know, I think it's I think 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.839 it's a blessing that it's going. Man, I think that that. Um, 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.840 it's amazing that they found an incredible filmmaker and Stephen 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.120 Cabo Jr. Was a guy who I actually went the 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.279 film school with. Um. Well, I have a lot of 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:47.640 a lot of love and respect for it, and I 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.279 can't wait to see what what what he does with it. Yeah, 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.040 I can't wait, you know. Yeah, well, uh, the movie 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:58.320 is called Black Panther comes up February six. Uh, Daniel 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.720 reminded me of February both in the UK. So anyway, 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.120 early look at it, check it out. It's awesome, and 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.319 Ryan Man, I really appreciate you coming on show though. 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:11.480 Thank you, Chris. Always a pleasure, Bro, you too. I 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:18.160 have seen God's fly, I've seen men build weapons that 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:25.399 I couldn't even imagine. I've seen aliens drop from the sky. Yeah, 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.440 but I have never seen anything like this. How much 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:38.960 more you're hiding? How a up? Let's go out? Yeah, 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:50.240 my son, it is your time. Tell me about respecting 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:55.520 out down you get to decide what kind of king 0:40:55.640 --> 0:41:02.920 you are going to be. I don't please, I'll never flease. 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:13.480 The brothers would not be fell above showing my respect 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:19.840 in bad down. We all ye, we don't yet we 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.759 want to need to sloting down because we only every 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.840 sided thin thing on wing out, because we only do 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:31.359 number because we own never. I waited my entire life 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:36.680 for this. The world's gonna start over. I'm but burn 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:45.960 it all. What happens now, victim ends what happens to 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:56.439 the rest of the world. You will not be able 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.960 to stay wrong, brother, you will not be able to 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:00.920 plug here. 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