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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant and Jerry's even here.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, We're thrilled for that. And uh,

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Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know. Okay, stop asking, that's right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to say this is part two of the

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Speaker 1: rudimentary games that there is seemingly more too than you

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Speaker 1: would think. Hm, starting with rochambo or almost a tick

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Speaker 1: tech toe again, what's my deal with that? I don't

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Speaker 1: know rock paper scissors, but I must admit there is

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Speaker 1: more to Rock paper Scissors than Tug of War. I

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Speaker 1: am very glad that I didn't have to get that

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Speaker 1: out of you. Yeah, I thought there would. I thought

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Speaker 1: there was more to it than this strategy wise, and

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Speaker 1: I think I was suckered at by Squid Game, which

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about a little bit later, uh, into thinking

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Speaker 1: that there could be some more depths to this. There's

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot. No. Apparently Squid Games like really

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Speaker 1: took something and and made something huge out of it,

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Speaker 1: because I mean it was even an Olympic support for

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Speaker 1: a little while in the Olympics were like, let's not

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Speaker 1: do that anymore. Yeah, although I have to say growing

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Speaker 1: up in this eighties and uh, there was it was

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Speaker 1: a lot more in the forefront because like Battle of

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Speaker 1: the Network Stars did it on TV. H do you

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Speaker 1: remember the Superstars? No, it was a sports competition show

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Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoons and it took, you know, prominent athletes

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Speaker 1: from all sports and pitted them against one another all

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Speaker 1: season long to to determine a champion. And there was

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Speaker 1: this great obstacle course it was. It was one of

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Speaker 1: the most sort of eighties you know, aside from uh

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Speaker 1: American American Gladiators kind of things that you could watch

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Speaker 1: and uh there was a tug of war, usually between

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Speaker 1: two teams comprised of like prominent football players versus prominent

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Speaker 1: baseball players, and that was always a big deal. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I just watched a a recap of the one hour

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Speaker 1: in fifteen minute epic battle from between members of the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Royals and uh, I don't know who the

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Speaker 1: other side was. I think it was a football team.

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Speaker 1: Was George Brett on that team? Yet? You bet your

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Speaker 1: buddy was Was that his rookie year? No? Huh, But

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Speaker 1: it was right, no, no no, no Prebo Jackson yet, but

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Speaker 1: that was pretty epic. And on that one they were

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Speaker 1: I mean they were laying down in the sand and resting,

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Speaker 1: some guys taking their hands off at times. It was

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Speaker 1: you know, all the rules, you know. They tied the

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Speaker 1: rope around their waist, as did Louferrigno in Battle of

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Speaker 1: the Network Stars was the anchor all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: that you don't do, which we'll talk about in true

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Speaker 1: competition Tug of War, but it was just sort of

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Speaker 1: I feel like we saw Tug of War a lot

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Speaker 1: more in the eighties than we do now. Yeah. That

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Speaker 1: and running under a giant parachute that your classmates were

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Speaker 1: billowing up for you. It's a second reference. I've heard

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Speaker 1: of that in a week. Oh really, yeah, I never

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Speaker 1: did that, but oh chuck, we're going to we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get some stuff. You should know. Listeners together and do

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Speaker 1: that because you have to experience it at least once.

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Speaker 1: You're like, it is thrilling, I need to. It was

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Speaker 1: on the Threedom podcast, So Paula Tompkins and Ackerman and

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Speaker 1: Lauren Lapkins we're talking about that. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna like that is going to happen

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Speaker 1: before you die, all right, and I gets run under

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Speaker 1: you run under before it catches you. That's the key.

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Speaker 1: So there's like a certain amount of tention to it.

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Speaker 1: What if he catches you, like touches you, Yes, that

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Speaker 1: silky goodness. Don't you want that touch on you know?

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Speaker 1: Or else you you dissolve? Okay? Uh But anyway, I

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Speaker 1: just you know, in the field day in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: like there was tug of war all over the place,

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Speaker 1: but you don't see it much anymore until squid Game

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Speaker 1: some interest, including myself totally. And it's from what from

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Speaker 1: this research that we've done on this um your experience

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Speaker 1: and my experience too at that age where you know,

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Speaker 1: tug of war is like a big part of your life.

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Speaker 1: That's the most you can possibly experience or get out

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Speaker 1: of it pretty much except for knowing that it was

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Speaker 1: an Olympic sport for twenty years, that's right. And squid

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Speaker 1: Games the TV show, by the way, and then we

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Speaker 1: often just talk about things, is that people know what

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Speaker 1: they are well. I mean, who hasn't heard of Squid Games?

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Speaker 1: Did you watch it? Yeah? Of course yes, me and

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Speaker 1: everybody else on the planet. That's why you just mistitled it.

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Speaker 1: I just was curious what I call it squid Games?

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Speaker 1: I really fumble down. Well, it's better than Squid's game

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Speaker 1: and actually it alone is worth getting a month's subscription

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Speaker 1: to Netflix if you don't have it. Yeah, but we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the strategy they use, which made for great television,

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Speaker 1: but apparently it's not a thing, disappointingly. Yeah, but if

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen some good games, don't listen to that part.

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Speaker 1: Just put your fingers in your ears and shout Mimi

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Speaker 1: Me at the top of your lungs and very high

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Speaker 1: pitched voice until we're done. So we're talking about Tug

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Speaker 1: chuck just in the spirit of people who say stop

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Speaker 1: saying if you if unless you've been living under a rock.

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Speaker 1: You haven't heard of something we should explain with Tug

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Speaker 1: of war is okay, Yeah, let's do it. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: in the modern sense of the word, tug of war

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Speaker 1: is a game that's played between It can be as

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Speaker 1: as your imagination can fit onto a rope. And um,

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Speaker 1: the people are on two sides. Uh, they're opposing sides,

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Speaker 1: and they're pulling in opposite directions on that rope. And

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Speaker 1: the point of the game is to pull your opponent

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Speaker 1: pass some line to where you've just won, or pull them,

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Speaker 1: knock them down, pull it until they let go of

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Speaker 1: the rope, or There's a few different ways to win,

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Speaker 1: but generally you're pulling your opponent past some line and

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Speaker 1: then you've won and you can run around shouting yes

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Speaker 1: and thrusting your fist in the air. That's right. I

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Speaker 1: think the most fun versions, especially on television, are when

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Speaker 1: there's a mud pit in the middle. Sure. Uh. In

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Speaker 1: the case of squid game, it is a battle to

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Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Oh, I remember what happens there. They let go.

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Speaker 1: They did. They won by losing, that's right, They let

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Speaker 1: go and the jocks fell into the dusty dirt, and

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Speaker 1: was so mad. Ogre was so mad. So. Um, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's tug of war. And you've probably played it before,

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Speaker 1: and it is true, like I'm just giving you some

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Speaker 1: grief that like there's nothing more to it, there is

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Speaker 1: a surprising amount more to it, because it is a

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Speaker 1: ridiculously simple game. Um, but it's so simple. Chuck that

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Speaker 1: Ed who helped us out with this, makes a really

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Speaker 1: good point that basically, if you threw a dart at

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Speaker 1: any part of the globe, you would probably find some

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Speaker 1: his Doric tradition of some form of tug of war.

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Speaker 1: It's been it spans millennia, it um, it crosses geographic

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Speaker 1: you want to save that? I think we should hit

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Speaker 1: some history. It just makes sense to put it at

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Speaker 1: machine versus machine. The British Navy INTI they used a

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Speaker 1: tug of war to settle a debate on whether a

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Speaker 1: you can settle this potential amputation which scissors. Will never

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Speaker 1: this the rasa Kashi? Yeah, so apparently India has a

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Speaker 1: possible because they had all kinds of kind of folky

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Speaker 1: the colonizers would would play these games sometimes including tug

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Speaker 1: just killing someone, right right, yes, um, And and and again

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Speaker 1: that's a way to settle disputes or tension as well.

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Speaker 1: because we want a tug of war as we pulled

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Speaker 1: you over the arbitrary line. Right. Um, there's there's tug

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Speaker 1: of war in China. Um, there's tug of war. There's

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Speaker 1: a long standing tug of war from that started in

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Speaker 1: the fourteenth century in Korea called the Jewel Darigi Festival.

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Speaker 1: I think he nailed it. They they have it uh

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Speaker 1: the show is just overflying with eighties references now all

427
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Yeah, do you remember the Saturna Night

428
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: Live spoof of that? No? Oh? I think it was

429
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: Robert Smigel and they did. They just nailed the commercial.

430
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: It looked exactly like it. But he would just start

431
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: saying all these like bizarre things with like the the

432
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: the full attention of the rooms of these people just enwrapped.

433
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: I can't remember what he would say, but it's definitely

434
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: worth looking up. I'm sure did a documentary on Smigel.

435
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: They did one on The Dana Carvey Show. Have you

436
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: seen that? No? Oh? It was on Hulu and they

437
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: said like too Funny to Live is the name of

438
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: it or something like that, and it was about this

439
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: this show like Dana Carvey just basically gave Robert Smigel

440
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: like carte Blanc to make You're just the funniest show

441
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: of all time. No, I know what you're talking about.

442
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: I actually saw that you saw the show. No. I

443
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: saw the documentary about the Kana Carvey Show, and I

444
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: thought you met on the Dana Carvey Show. They did

445
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: a segment or something. I got. Oh. No, but I'm saying,

446
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: like that's probably the closest you can come to a

447
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: Smigle documentary right now. Unfortunately, you're right, and that's a

448
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: good doctor think it was. It was, but if you're

449
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: talking international tug of war competition, um, it is not

450
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: just uh you know, on on I hate to bring

451
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: it up again, but on on the Superstars, uh as

452
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: we'll see. Wait is a really obviously huge key factor

453
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: and whether or not you went a tug of war. So,

454
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: like boxing and like wrastling, you have to match weights.

455
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: So they actually had I think the baseball team had

456
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: one extra dude, even than the football side. This was

457
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: not official in any capacity from what you're just going. Well,

458
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: they had to match weight, you know, that was what

459
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: it was all about. Okay, you know what I mean.

460
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: So the baseball players were lighter than the football team,

461
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: so they had one extra person. But an international competition,

462
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: there are eight people on a team. I don't even

463
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: know if there's a way in for for these is yes,

464
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: most decidedly, it's extremely important. Well then, I mean, what

465
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: do they say, like you just have to match weight

466
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: with the other team and like playing your team accordingly, Yes,

467
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's down to like the pound

468
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: or maybe even the kilogram necessarily, but it's got to

469
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: be close enough. There's a class and your team has

470
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: to weigh within this weight class. Okay, I got you,

471
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: I got you. See what I'm saying. That makes not

472
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: pound for pound necessarily, but it has to be an

473
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: eight person team and they have to, like the bind

474
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: way of the team has to fall within this window

475
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: for the class. Okay, that makes sense, just like boxing

476
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: and wrestling in fact, right, but divided by eight people. Yeah,

477
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: the rope itself is and we should note again, like

478
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: I said, you don't tie the rope around the anchor.

479
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: There are not knots in the rope like sometimes elementary

480
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: school versions you have knots to make it easier for

481
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: little kid hands to hold onto and stuff like that.

482
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Not true at all in international competition or any real

483
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, like genuine tug of war. You're not gonna

484
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: have knots in the rope. No, and supposedly um most

485
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: people recommend, although despite his best efforts could not find verification.

486
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't either that the t W I F. It's

487
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: got to be twiff, right, That's what I call it.

488
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: That twiff mandates that the rope has to be a

489
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: natural fiber. But if you are, if you're doing anything

490
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of pro or organized really even any tug of war,

491
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: you want to use an natural fiber rope because they're

492
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: less prone to snapping. They're also less prone to stretching,

493
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: and as we'll see, both of those are really bad

494
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: things that can happen, especially if you use a synthetic rope. So, um,

495
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to use most likely a synthetic rope.

496
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: You want to use natural fiber, right. Uh. And in

497
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: this case, it's thirty three and a half meters long

498
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: and between ten and twelve and a half centimeters in circumference,

499
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: so it's ten feet long about four to five inches

500
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: in circumference. Yeah, and the anchor, like I said, they

501
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: don't tie the rope around their waist, but they are

502
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: the only people allowed to manipulate the rope in a

503
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: way other than just holding it palms up, which is

504
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: what everyone else has to do. Like you can't wrap

505
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: it around your wrists. That's a bad idea, like as

506
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: we'll see later, uh, your coding career, Yeah exactly, but

507
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: the anchor will um, they will pass the rope over

508
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: their shoulder and then around or back diagonally, then under

509
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the opposite armpit, and then back over the front of

510
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: their body and then back under that armpit. So it's

511
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: sort of like a little figure eight that they wrap

512
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: around their body, but it's never tied right uh, And

513
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: from from what I've seen, it looks like it can

514
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: be released pretty easily and quickly too. It's not gonna

515
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: like tear the person into And also they're the ones

516
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: and the that are the furthest back, so they would

517
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: be least affected by a catastrophic break of the rope

518
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: right or fall into a pit of vipers. One thing

519
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't notice or realize before that I thought

520
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting, but it makes total sense, is that

521
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: if you are a poller, so like you said, the

522
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: anchor is the only one who can do anything like

523
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: wrapping the rope around even their hand. Um. You you

524
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: can grip the rope palms up and that's it. You

525
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: can't like move hand over hand to like gain length

526
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: on the rope. That's illegal. You can't walk up the

527
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: rope right, It's called I think climbing and quote um,

528
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: climbing the rope like you have to basically keep your

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: hands in roughly the same area, which means that all

530
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: of the pull on the rope, all the movement on

531
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the rope is created by your leg power. Like you're

532
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: holding onto the rope with your with your arms to

533
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: keep it from being to keep yourself from being pulled back,

534
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: but you're also you're mostly using your leg power. Like

535
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: almost all of the strategy in the point of tug

536
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: of war is in the legs. Yeah, you're literally walking

537
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: the rope backwards. Lou Ferrigno and team they could. It

538
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: was It's like the Wild West. They were pulling that

539
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: thing hand over hand. You can't do that. Until Billy

540
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: Crystal was in that water pool. I didn't know you

541
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: can't do that, But now I understand. You can't do that. No,

542
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: just for TV. Yeah, you gotta just dig in and

543
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: pull pull pull. Uh, you have a coach. Another name

544
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: for a coach is a driver. And the driver it's

545
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. You know, the driver walks up and

546
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: down the line and you know there are, like I said,

547
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: great periods of rests where you have to just sort

548
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: of you aren't allowed to lay down though. Again, Uh,

549
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: like on TV, you can't do that. You have to

550
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: keep on your feet. But there are still periods of

551
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: what you would call rest, and then the driver will

552
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: will will mount a challenge, you know, a unison unified

553
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: in unison pull pull pull, and you know that's it's

554
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: sort of like being the who's the person my mom

555
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: does the dragon boat racing the person in the back

556
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: of the boat steers and like, yeah, that's yeah, that's

557
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: what I thought of. Two in the growing crew, But

558
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean dragon boat, they actually steered a is the

559
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Do they do that in the rowing team? No? The

560
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: coxswain doesn't do anything shouting to like a little boy

561
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: varsity we're gonna hear it. Probably the coxwayn Society, that's right.

562
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Who you've heard of unless you've been living under a rock,

563
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: that's right. Hey, maybe speaking of rock, we should crawl

564
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: under one and take a quick break before we talk

565
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: about some of the supportive gear and footwear, which is

566
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: super exciting stuff. Okay, cool, all right, we'll be right back.

567
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: All right, I talked. I promised footwear and supportive gear. Yeah.

568
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Supportive gear you can wear like belts and kneepads and

569
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Or belt huh, like a weightlifting belt. Yeah,

570
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: do you ever have one of those? No, I've never

571
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: been quite that into it. Yeah, when you show up

572
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: to the gym and one of those you're you're sending

573
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: a statement, you definitely are. You say, I'm into lifting weights.

574
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: That's right, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not making

575
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: fun of it, especially if you have like your name

576
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: burned into it in some like uh like steer horns

577
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: or something, yeah, like that filigree. But the footwear I

578
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: talked earlier about friction, I mean, tug of war is

579
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: all about feet meeting the ground and that friction and

580
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: being able to maintain your place and digging in and

581
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: you uh, if you're you know, indoors in a gymnasium,

582
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: you're probably just wearing some kind of good sneaker. But

583
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: outside you're allowed to wear these big boots and uh

584
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: with with big heels. And I guess they regulate this

585
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: for competition because you don't want to be like the

586
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: English police team, the Liverpool Police and overdo it. But

587
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: you are allowed to wear certain kinds of big boots.

588
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: You are and again it's like you that's the reason

589
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: why you're wearing boots is because that is where you're

590
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: winning or losing the game is in your your leg

591
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: power and how much contact you have with the ground,

592
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: and how much of that you can use to propel

593
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: yourself and your team backward, holding onto the rope and

594
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: then thus pulling the other team over that center line.

595
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: That's right. Should we talk about a match, Yeah, I

596
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: think we should. I think we've reached the point we've

597
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: laid it out enough, Chuck, that everybody's ready for a

598
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: match for us to describe through audio a tug of

599
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: war match. All right, So you got that rope slaying

600
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: on the ground may or may not be a mud

601
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: pit or water in the middle, But for competition, that's

602
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: usually like TV kind of stuff. I don't think they

603
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: really do that in legit competitions, No, they don't. It's

604
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: got to be on turf grass if it's outdoors, or

605
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: either a gym floor or a special pad that gives

606
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: you a little a lot more traction on an indoor match,

607
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: that's right. So there's a judge, I guess, like a referee.

608
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: They would say take up the rope. Everyone on each

609
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: side would pick up the rope. They would say take

610
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the strain. And that just means you pull it tight

611
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: and taught, but you're not like actually pulling on each

612
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: other yet and then you have that thing you gotta

613
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: they get they center it right in the middle. You've

614
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: probably got like something hanging down or some tape in

615
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the center of the rope. He's got to line up

616
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: with the center of the of the match floor. And

617
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: then on either side, and in true competition, I think

618
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: it's actually marked out four meters on either side of center.

619
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: But depending on if you're doing playground versions or about

620
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: all the network stars, that number can vary. But this

621
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: is the official Twiff style. Is four meters is where

622
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: you want to pull your opponent. Yes, so that that

623
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: center line that's marked on the rope has to be

624
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: pulled over either of those other lines on either side.

625
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: The sideline marking is what it's called. So if you

626
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: pull that center line onto the over the sideline, it's

627
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: closest to you, you just want and vice versa. That's right,

628
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think we're doing a great job

629
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: here at Chuck. I think so the judge obviously is

630
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: going to shout ready, pull and then that's when you start. Yeah,

631
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: they shoot a shotgun in the air. Uh, And then

632
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: these are actually scored though their matches. Each match has

633
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: two tugs or two poles and if you win two

634
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: to nothing, if you win both, you get three points.

635
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: If you each win one, you each get one point,

636
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: and then you just progress sort of in a round

637
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: robin kind of way tournament style. Yeah, and then sudden

638
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: death is best two poles out of three, I believe, right.

639
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: And if you do dig in superstars way, then you're

640
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: there for an hour and fifteen minutes. Uh, and nothing's

641
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: going on. The judge can say call a no poll,

642
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: which I guess is just like a tie. Or if

643
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: one team is just really not doing anything, Uh, you

644
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: can actually be disqualified. Yes, I think that would be

645
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: the no a no poll call if you're not doing anything.

646
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 1: Or I think both teams can get a no poll

647
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: call if they both wear each other out and they

648
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: both just kind of stop, if they both start laying

649
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: around like the seventy eight Royals and whatever football team

650
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: they're playing, that would be a clear no pole against

651
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: both teams. So they is qualified. Yeah, well I guess

652
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: it's I you're both kicked out and both lost. You

653
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: all are thrown into the mud pit. That's right by

654
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: the judge. So this is this is still going on,

655
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: like this is UM. These rules are still being followed

656
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: in national and international competition. September of the World Championships

657
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: will be in the Netherlands. UM. And there's yeah, there's

658
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: plenty of like national and UM and local polls, tug

659
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: of war poles um that go on every Sunday. I

660
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: believe starting at eleven is the official time wherever your

661
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: local time is. If there's a tug of war competition

662
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: and they're doing it at eleven am on Sunday, it's

663
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: probably official. Yeah, this smacks of the kind of thing

664
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: like you know how there's well, I know, you know

665
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: there's kickball teams, recreational kickball leagues because you and Arey

666
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: famously played on a kickball team together many years ago.

667
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: It seems like a hundred years ago, doesn't it a thousand? Maybe? Uh,

668
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: there's dart teams, there's Bocci leagues, softball, a bunch of

669
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: their local tug of war leagues. Surely there's just no way,

670
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: especially after squids games. Yeah, you just get drunk on

671
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: on liquor and pull each other into the mud, that's right.

672
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: But officially, I think there's seven seventy three countries that

673
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: are members of the twit of TWI how many seventy

674
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: three by my account according to the rules that were

675
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: published in high your account one to right. And then

676
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: I keep getting messed up around seventeen or eighteen. And

677
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: here's what you do. You copy paste that into the

678
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: word die. That's good, just hit number. Yeah, that's a

679
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: great idea. But then it does the thing where it

680
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: goes one, A and B and you're like, what are

681
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: you even doing? Word formatting? And I want it formatted

682
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: like that? Right? That program hate word. Yeah, there's a

683
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: big word anti word backlash. I suspect this really an

684
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: anti Microsoft backlash. I think so. Right, alright, so we're

685
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: talking about how to be good at tug of War.

686
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I think, sure, you've got to be strong and have

687
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: big shoes, which I'm I realized just now as I'm

688
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: looking through my notes, I'm missing that page. But it

689
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: also doesn't matter because you basically said what you have

690
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: to do, UM, that that you need to wear like

691
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: really good shoes that are heavy. You need to have

692
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: explosively powerful legs. You need to have arm strength, which

693
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: is something that I hope, um, which is something I

694
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: think we is worth pointing out. If you are actually

695
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: good at Tug of War, and you compete in in

696
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Tug of War competitions and you are doing stuff like

697
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: like like world competitions through twift you are an extraordinarily

698
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: all around fit person and very strong person because playing

699
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: Tug of War in any kind of competitive level requires

700
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: a lot of different muscle groups, and all of those

701
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: muscle groups have to be really, really strong. That's right.

702
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: I guess we could talk a little bit about squid

703
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: Game here. If you have not seen it and you

704
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: want to, or you don't want something spoiled, just don't

705
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: listen for the next couple of minutes. But there's a great,

706
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: great pivotal scene in that great show where Um and

707
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: the concept of the show is that they're these people

708
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: that have been gathered together who are all very desperate,

709
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: usually because of money and financial woes, who are pitted

710
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: against one another in these childhood games Um to the

711
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: death and the winner gets a lot of money here

712
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: at the end, and Tug of War is one of them.

713
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: And this is a tug of war though that is

714
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: stage many many floors up and you fall to your

715
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: death and the and you lose like forever as in

716
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: your your life has gone that the ultimate loss. So

717
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: in squid game, the weaker team pulls out a victory

718
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: against a stronger team because of a very brilliant strategy

719
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: employed by the elder statesman of the weak team, wherein

720
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: they all start out uh with their feet um parallel

721
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: to one another dug in and they all the first

722
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: thing they do is lean all the way back and

723
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: look up at the sky and just set there and

724
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: don't move. And then their strategy, I believe was too

725
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: at a certain point when one person says so, is

726
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: to release the ropes on to get the other team

727
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: off balance and then grab it again and start this

728
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: hoo hoo hoo, all pulling in these big unified tugs.

729
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: And they won. They did when yeah, they this other stronger, heavier,

730
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: more fit team um fell to their death because you

731
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: left out that you're you're connected to that rope. So

732
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: when when one guy goes down there there, they take

733
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the rope with them and thus comes the rest of

734
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: the team too. It's pretty pretty brutal, um. But there

735
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: was a study that you found Us magazine of all places,

736
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: um that that some some people basically experimented with it.

737
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: They got a group of like smaller, weaker people compared

738
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: to the other team and and use that strategy and

739
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: how did it pan out? Well, it didn't pan out

740
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: like the TV show. Obviously the TV show was dramatized

741
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: for great effect. But I did read and another article

742
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: about that same quote unquote study that um, in theory

743
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: it could work and this wasn't the best test of it, uh,

744
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: and that there was something to that initial a stance

745
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: and dig in at least. Okay, So I think we

746
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: finally reached like far and away that the absolute the

747
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: most interesting part of Tug of war. Yeah, that you

748
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: can suffer serious injury and potentially even death from playing

749
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: Tug of war if you don't know what you're doing

750
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and you don't do it right. Because people have before. Yeah,

751
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean there have been amputations. Obviously, some really awful

752
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: accidents with kids when they would wrap their hands around

753
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, the rope around their wrists and stuff like that,

754
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: little little digits that were had to be amputated. Um.

755
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: A lot of the injuries come from the rope snap

756
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: that we talked about. Using a nylon rope, it'll pull

757
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: like a rubber band and then snap, and that can

758
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: has killed people. Yeah, because teams of people, and the

759
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: more people you add to a team, the more dangerous

760
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: the game becomes for a couple of reasons. One is

761
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: the likelihood of snapping a rope is increases. And then

762
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: also when that rope snaps, all those people fall back

763
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, and so people can get

764
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: crushed and trampled, and that happens as well. But when

765
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: you're when you have two teams of people, even like

766
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: little kids, as long as there's enough little kids, they're

767
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: exerting tons and tons of force on that rope that's

768
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: being stored in the rope. And as I was saying earlier,

769
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: with synthetic ropes, they stretch more, which means that more

770
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: tension is being stored, more energy is being stored in

771
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: that rope, so that when it does finally snap, more

772
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: energy is suddenly released. And when it when it's released, chuck.

773
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: When that rope snaps backward, it snaps back where it

774
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: was so much force depending on how much force is

775
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: stored in it, that it is torn people's arms off

776
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: like they didn't let go fast enough and their arms

777
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: still holding onto the rope flew away from them. That's

778
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: like something out of squid game. But it's real. Yeah,

779
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: that happened, and I think Taiwan in the in the nineties.

780
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: I believe in Taipei happened to not one but two

781
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: people who were um playing tug of war. They were

782
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: the first people closest to the opposing side on either side.

783
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: That's who had their their arms torn off. Yeah. And

784
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: here's the word of advice. If you ever see an

785
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: ad that says, hey, come down and be a part

786
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: of this Guinness World Record tug of war, don't do it. No,

787
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. Accidents happen there as well. And

788
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: like you said, also when if you loop, like do

789
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: not ever even even like fun recreation um tug of war,

790
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: don't don't loop the rope around your hand because you're

791
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: like the force that's being exerted on the rope finds

792
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: its way into that loop which wants to close, and

793
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: it's closing around your fingers. And like like you said,

794
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: not only have people had their fingers amputated later because

795
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: they got so torn off, the rope itself can amputate

796
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: your fingers, like like you can just lose some fingers

797
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: messing around at a local tug of war competition. That's

798
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: for charity. It happened, has happened before too, so be

799
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: safe everyone. I got one more thing on squid Games,

800
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: so again, big spoiler. Come, Okay, don't listen. I'll give

801
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: you a few seconds. Okay. The thing I didn't think about,

802
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: you saw it through the end of the show. Yeah.

803
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: The thing I didn't think about until today was that

804
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: that Tug of War game had to be rigged because

805
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: the old man was the organizer of the whole thing,

806
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: so he wasn't gonna fall to his death, so that

807
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: it was rigged. The Tugg of War had to be rigged. Yeah,

808
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how. And and you might have

809
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: found like a plot hole more than anything. Well, I

810
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: read online and some people say that like it was

811
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: a genuine win. But there were the people up there watching,

812
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: like the guards were like ready to step in in

813
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: case it looked like that he was gonna get pulled

814
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: in or something. I got you, So it was, uh,

815
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: they could have cut the rope or something to prevent

816
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: that from happening, but then the jig would have been up. Yeah,

817
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: or they could have think maybe they had a plan

818
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: to make it seem like, you know, there was something

819
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: that some however, but those guards, man, how well done?

820
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Was there uniform just to make them just creepy? Anonymous?

821
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was awesome. I really love the show.

822
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait for what's coming in season two? Me whoa,

823
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a season two? Yeah? I mean

824
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: it ends with dude coming back as a genuine tough dude,

825
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: like going back. Remember he could have left and he

826
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: went back. Yes, but I didn't know that there was

827
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: definitely going to be a season two. Yeah. Yeah, he's

828
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna go back there like like uh Jack Black and

829
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Kung Fu Panda Terminator two. Yeah, they're okay, there you go.

830
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a more apt and let her name

831
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: Linda Hamilton's Yeah, okay, I thought I got it wrong. No,

832
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: you got it right, man, just like you got a

833
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: tug of war? Right? But did we did? We? Did? We? Did?

834
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: You got anything else? No? No tic tac to. I

835
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: promise we're done with this two part series. All right? Uh? Well,

836
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: since Chuck said we're done, that means we're done, and

837
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: that means, of course, everybody, it's time for listener mail.

838
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: Unless we do thumb wrestling. If there's something to it, sure,

839
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe a shorty. I'm always down with with interesting stuff

840
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: like that as long as there's something to it, you know.

841
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna call this eagle versus Hawk and

842
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: another chance to poke fun at Jerry a little bit.

843
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: This this goes down in history alongside the Billhelms scream. Oh,

844
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't forget same old lang sign. Oh that's right.

845
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, our beloved sister and producer Jerry, who we

846
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: like to tease. Occasionally we will call for a special

847
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: effect here and there, and she sometimes she has in

848
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: that for getting them wrong. And that's the case with

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Speaker 1: eagle versus Hawk. Hey, guys, just listen to the Cookies

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Speaker 1: episode and heard the eagle cry quote unquote denoting the

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Speaker 1: golden age of cookies. I want to let you know

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Speaker 1: that bird cry use was probably a red tailed hawk.

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Speaker 1: Hollywood prefers the red tailed hawk cry to the actual

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Speaker 1: eagle cry because it sounds much more majestic. The first

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Speaker 1: time I ever heard an eagle make a noise, I

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Speaker 1: thought for sure it was a giant mutant chicken. Uh,

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Speaker 1: much more of an aggressive cluck. Definitely understand why Hollywood

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Speaker 1: makes his choice, but I remember being gooped by this fact.

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Speaker 1: I never heard that use that way, so I wanted

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Speaker 1: to share it with you all. Thanks and heavy, happy,

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Speaker 1: have a happy New Year. In my defense, I knew

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Speaker 1: that was a hawk, but the eagles sound was so

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Speaker 1: pitiful I didn't use it. Hey, there's Jerry. Guys. She

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Speaker 1: actually stepped in to defend herself. There she is, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I feel like an error has just ended. Well, she's

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Speaker 1: been on before, but that was the most blatant Jerry.

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Speaker 1: It was yet pretty blatant, but I think that was

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Speaker 1: a good one. Jerry's way to step in. Uh ps,

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Speaker 1: is your board game sold out? I was sad to

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Speaker 1: not see it under the Christmas tree this year. Cordially

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Speaker 1: your resident Burdenard Katie Rose Souder Katie. The board game

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Speaker 1: did sell out in some and a lot of online retailers,

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Speaker 1: but it's verywhere be back soon, right, I actually, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: I think that there. I don't know if they're sold

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Speaker 1: out or not. That they were sold out everywhere in

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Speaker 1: the world except for Indigo, which is Canada's largest bookstore.

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Speaker 1: They had some as of the beginning of the holiday

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Speaker 1: season earlier, but they may be out. But from what

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Speaker 1: are our friends at Hasbro tell us they should be

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Speaker 1: back in stock at the end of this month, end

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Speaker 1: of January. That's right. But anyway, thank you Katie Rose

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Speaker 1: Sounder for that email. Yes, thank you Katie Rose. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to be like Katie Rose and

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Speaker 1: it up, spank it on the eagles butt and send

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