1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Texans All Access. Let's gear up with some Papa John's 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: picks for six dollars. That's right, a variety of items 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: for only six dollars each. The vander kids are gonna 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: love this. Meatballs, chicken poppers, garlic knots, breadsticks, whatever you want, 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: six dollars each. Papa John's No contact delivery available Papa 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: John's Houston, Houston OWD and operated for twenty five years. 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Order online at Papa Johns dot com or on the app. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Hello Texans and welcome Mary Christmas. It's a Christmas Eve 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: special edition of Texans All Access. And you know it's 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: always special on a Thursday because we have John McClain, 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: the General from the Houston Chronicle joining us. John Harris 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: of course is with us and Merry Christmas, guys. Great 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: to have you along. Let's have some fun on Christmas Eve. General, 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: how's it going. It's going great, guys. Marry Christmas at 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the all days to you, it's it's always the most 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: wonderful time of the year. I've always gotten in Christmas 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: since I was a little kid, and Carol and I 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: get into we decorate house, decorated. We always have a 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: lot of fun. You know it's it's such a tough 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: thing sometimes because you know there's a lot of holiday 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: stress out there getting all the gifts done or whatever 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: you do for the holidays. And there's also this thing 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: called football, like professional football and the bowl games and 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: everything else. Like those of us are the bids have 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on this time of year. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: I think Christmas should be moved to like February. It 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: would really be much more convenient for me. I guess 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen, But general, how have you 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: navigated through all those issues over the years with scheduling 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: and things like that. I know it's a luxury problem, 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: but tell me, yeah, I've been doing it so long 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: for decades. I don't I can't even tell you when 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Christmas is till about three days before. That's when I 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 1: have to do my rush job to get Carol twelve 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: presents for the twelve days at Christmas. But I've got 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: most of it down. And this year I didn't get 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: out and go to stores like I usually do because 38 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. And it's interesting when you we're in 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: this business. I know people get days off and this 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: year because of Christmas coming on Friday, and the Chronicle 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: wants our stories in early Thursday because of early deadlines. 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to be able at all my talk shows. 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: Usually I do five talk shows on Friday, and I 44 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: am doing an hour on Sports Radio six ten from 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: one to two, but all my other talk shows are 46 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: taking a day off, so that'll be the only day 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: of the week that only do one talk show. General. 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Do you have over the years that you've covered Oils 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Texans NFL? Do you have a Christmas or Holiday story 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: that you remember more than most? Because I remember this 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: one four years ago in twenty sixteen when we played 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals on Christmas Eve night and Randy Bullock pushed 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the field goal wide right and that gave the Texas 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Nancy South, and that's the one I always remember. Do 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: you have one over the years that you remember more 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: than most from a Christmas or a holiday story? That's 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: the one I remember the most from from the Texans, 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: And there were two that I remember from the others. 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: They played in San Francisco back when the forty nine 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: ers played in San San Francisco on Christmas Day and 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: they beat Steve Young and the forty nine ers out there, 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: and they were winning. They were on their way to 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: another playoff appearance. They went seven years in a row, 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: which was in most the NFL, but they couldn't get 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: beyond the second round of the playoffs, just like the Texans. 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: But they beat Young and Jerry Rice and the forty 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: nine ers and Bud Adams gave Jack Pardy to the 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: coach an extension. And another one I remember was in 69 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. Everybody thought the Oilers were moving after 70 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: the ninety five season of the Nashville turned out to 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: be ninety six, and so they played in Buffalo on 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. And I've never had a white Christmas. I've 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: always wanted a white Christmas at home. And someday, when 74 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm done and I'm retired, I'm Carol and I are 75 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: gonna go somewhere where we're guaranteed of get in the 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: white Christmas. But in that instance, the guy that worked 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: with me, Carlton Thompson, had never seen snow. He was 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: from Hitchcock and he never seen it till he started 79 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: cover in the NFL. And we were we had like 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: a five am flight from Buffalo to Newark to get 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: back to Houston, and when we got up that morning 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: it was snowing like crazy, and we went down to 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the lobby to check out, and we were like two 84 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: little kids. I had seen Snow Corps, but he was 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: so excited to see snow. And the woman mind the 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: counter was there for sleep and she said, what are 87 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: you also excited about? And we said, it's snowing, and 88 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: she loved to us like we were nuts. But I'll 89 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: never forget that. And of course the other was lost 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: to the bills. But that's just closes. I've ever come 91 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: to a white Christmas. But it was quite Christmas Eve. 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: All right, John, I have some Christmas questions for you, 93 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: and some of them revolve around Christmas movies and entertainment 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: because it is Christmas even let's have some fun. But 95 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: let's get to some of the news of the week 96 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: with the Texans and the interviews. And we all know 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 1: that the Texans have talked to Jim Caldwell, Marvin Lewis, 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: people like that, Matt Bazergan as a GM candidate. Internally, 99 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick last week we hit on him and last 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: week's show, But what do you make of what they're 101 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: doing here so far? And the new rule that opens 102 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: things up a bit to talk to some people before 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the end of the season. What are you thinking, Well, 104 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: they're not opportunitipating in that two week window, because it's stupid. 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Why would you want to interview a coach even if 106 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: you could get permission from the team. And it's like 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: Romeo O'Connell said, even though I coach would have two 108 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: hours to spend on a zoom interview with the team, 109 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: we're going to hire the general manager first. And I 110 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: was on with Clint Starner on six on Wednesday and 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: he said, well, I don't know why you wouldn't take 112 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: advantage of the opportunity. I said, Okay, here's a deal. 113 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: Say cal McNair and Jeddie Is and Jamie Rhods try 114 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: get permission to say Eric b enemy and the enemy 115 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: might say no, even if the chief said yes because 116 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to win a Super Bowl and he knows 117 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: they're interested in him, But say does it in the 118 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: interview him? And then when they hire their general manager 119 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: they have to interview him again. And then he when 120 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: he makes the finalist, they'd have to interview him again. 121 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: And depending on that a list of five cut down 122 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: to two, they might have to do it again, that's 123 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: over and killed. They don't need that much, you know. 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: And Clint said, well, he could tell him if he's 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: interested or not. Well, they know through his agent that 126 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: he's interested, and so are a lot of them. Another 127 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: example to use, and I wrote about this in my 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: Friday in my Thursday column. What if they want to 129 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: interview Arthur Smith right before they play the Titans. Well 130 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: you think Mike Vrabel's going to allow it, but see 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: he did. And while their interviewing Arthur Well, Arthur before, 132 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: if we hire you, how are you going to contain 133 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry? How are you going to shut down Ryan Tannehill? 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: This is right before. So this rule is prepositorous and 135 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: it serves no purpose. And I tried to check with 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: people in the league. They had no idea why the 137 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: league did it the way they did it. And as 138 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: far as the other candidates, Jim Carwell is going to 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: be sixty six in the middle in the middle of January, 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: had health issues. He's moved beyond it. But he's been 141 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: on Super Bowl team, super Bowl winners, he's a good 142 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: offensive coach, and he's been involved in personnel. So you 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: pick their brain, not just about your team, but about 144 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: your your players, about culture, about you. You were on 145 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: two Super Bowl winners, and try to find out ways 146 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that they did it behind the scenes, the same way 147 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: with Marvin Lewis. Now Bill O'Brien had two more wins 148 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: in the playoffs than Marvin Lewis, but Marvin Ayon won 149 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring as a defensive coach. Marvin also 150 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: was in charge of personnel, so you could talk to 151 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: him about personnel, which the general manager will be in 152 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: control of here, and you can talk to him about coaching. 153 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: I think it's smart to talk to Matt Bazigan. I 154 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: was asked, but why would they wanted to talk to him. 155 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: He's been there this season when the team has been 156 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: terrible and made a lot of bad moves. I said, okay, 157 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: he was there when they went eleven and five and 158 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: ten and six and won the Division of the playoff game. 159 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Do you think he went brain dead over one summer. 160 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't think so. So I think it's smart who 161 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: knows more about this team right now than Matt Basigan. 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: He's watched tape, he's watched every game, he's watched every practice. 163 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: It's smart to pick match brain about this team. And 164 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: he's seen everything behind the scenes. I'd want to know 165 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: what he thought. Man, if you were in charge, how 166 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: would you run it? The one thing we know they're 167 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: going back to the model originally Charlie Cashley, Dom Papers, 168 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien 169 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: until Bill started trying to get the power of the 170 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: general manager has control of personnel and the head coach 171 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: has control of the coaching staff and the game day roster. 172 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: And I am writing for Friday my list of the 173 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: top personnel people in the league and why they should 174 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: consider them. And there's a couple examples of you could 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: get a package deal. What if they wanted to hire 176 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus, the defensive coordinator Indianapolis and their assistant Jim 177 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: ed Dodge is going to get a job, Get him 178 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: as a pack kage deal, and then you weaken the 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: opponent as well. And when Eric the enemy Chris Shay 180 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: right hand man for Brett Veach and the GM and 181 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, he could be a package deal with Eric 182 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: m enemy. There are a few of the possibilities out there. 183 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: John as it pretends to Marvin Lewis as a head 184 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: coach in this league. He's at he's defensive coordinator at 185 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Arizona State. He got back as an analyst for the 186 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: first year that he was defensiveccording to this year, and 187 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: he worked with a lot of young players. Different perspective. 188 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: Do you think Marvin Lewis will get a head coaching job, 189 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: whether it's in Houston or otherwise coming back into the league. 190 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: I doubt it, and he's you know, hate keep talking 191 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: about age, but there's so many talented coordinators out there. 192 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: Marvin was really good at getting to the playoffs. Never 193 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: want a playoff game. Great guy. Everybody like Marvin Lewis, 194 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: like everybody liked, likes Jim Caldwell and who's just say, 195 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: did a new coach here? And I think this is paramount. 196 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: If you get a first time head coach, you need 197 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: to have experience and an example. I think the new 198 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: head coach should be asked, not ordered, because an owner 199 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: does not order coaches to do things, and it's not 200 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the McNair's style. But if you are interested in trying 201 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: to keep Romeo Cornell as an assistant head coach, here's 202 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: what we think about him, and we hope you at 203 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: least consider it because as you guys know, Romeo's got experience, 204 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: he's got knowledge, he's liked, he's respected, he's not a backstabber, 205 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: he's got no ego, he doesn't gossip. He'd be right 206 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: there as he was for Bill O'Brien if he needed him, 207 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: as he was for Anthony Weaver, as he was for 208 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. And a guy like Marvin Lewis or Jim Calwell, 209 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: maybe they're interested in that role in case Romeo isn't. 210 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: But a first time head coach needs experience around him. 211 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying do this, but if I'm a 212 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: first time head coach and I've got a team that's 213 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: been running a three four for years and I'm looking 214 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: for a three four defensive coordinator, there's a pretty good 215 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: one sitting over in his house and Memorial in Houston, 216 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: eager to get back into the NFL, and that would 217 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: be Wade Phillips. And Sean mcvadh did that when he 218 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: was the first time head coach, had weighed in there 219 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: for two years before he didn't renew his contract and 220 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the hired Brandon I think Staley, So I think that's important. 221 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: And these guys like Marmon Lewis and Jim Calwell. You 222 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: never know, you might want him on your staff. Like 223 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Brian Flores was going to have Calwell on his staff 224 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: at Miami. Then he had to help issues. Wow r Yeah. 225 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: I think both Caldwell and Lewis have some pluses, There's 226 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: no doubt. But you never know what the new blood 227 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: is gonna do. John mcclaimed from the Houston Chronicle joining us. 228 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: All right, so I see Detroit's interview Thomas Damittroff, Rick Smith, 229 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Scott Pioli, what about what about Rick Smith? Is he 230 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: gonna get a job? Do you think? No? I think 231 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: Rick's going to get one. Absolutely. If you think you're 232 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: if you're and he's interviewing, He's interviewing everywhere but here. 233 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: And Rick's ready to get back in the NFL. He 234 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: interviewed with Washington last offseason. I think it'd be great 235 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: for him to get back. You know, if you're Rick 236 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: and you go in, you get a strong endorsement from 237 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. The NFL likes Rick. He was on a 238 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: competition committee for years. He was instrumental in a lot 239 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: of the recommendations the competition Committee makes to the NFL 240 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: owners every year. And Rick can go Okay, here's my 241 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: number one draft choices, and nobody at as many good 242 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: number one picks as he did, and he can also 243 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, there are some other pigs he made. And 244 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: so I think Rick is getting another chance. I think 245 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: it's great. And I don't know where he's gonna go, 246 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: but I know he will try to he's gonna. I 247 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: believe he's gonna have multiple opportunities. What about Originally I 248 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: heard that he was going to take a year off, 249 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: which would have been foolish because gms don't get recycled 250 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: like head coaches too. And to meet Trof was with 251 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: the Falcons twelve years. He was a two time NFL executive. 252 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: A year they went to the Super Bowl except for 253 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Kyle Shannian's bad play calling, we're gonna they were going 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: to beat the Patriots right here at the Energy Stadium. 255 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: So he's going to get another job. You know, he 256 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: grew up with the Browns and then the Patriots. He 257 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: was an assistant groundskeeper when he got on in person 258 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,359 Speaker 1: or scouting way down the lower level with Bill Belichick 259 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: and Cleveland, then went to New England. I would have 260 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: no problem with Thomas to meet Troff. I've said from 261 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: the get go, they should interview people like him. I 262 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: did interview POI I'd interview you. Let people talk about 263 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: John Dorsey. John Dorsey is working for the Eagles, Lonzo 264 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Ali Smith, and Reggie McKenzie. They're working with teams. But 265 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: I would want to interview all those guys to get 266 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: as much knowledge and information as I could John along 267 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: those lines. And maybe this is tricky, but given the 268 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: fact that's that head coaching coaching candidates could interview over 269 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, what do you think the 270 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: timing is for this whole situation? Because if you're gonna 271 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: go GM, then head coach. Then if you want a GM, 272 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: and like you said earlier, you want a GM that 273 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: you want to interview from Kansas City, and say Kansas 274 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: cy goes on a run, you get an interview them. 275 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: I guess until the end of the Super Bowl. So 276 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: what do you think the timing is for all of this? 277 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: For the Texas, I think you cannot Number one time 278 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: is not gonna be on their side because there's competition. 279 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: This is I'm no, no if it's on president because 280 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't keep up with this. This is a lot 281 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: of GM openings usually it's the coaches. More coaches are 282 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: gonna come too, but you can't rush it. That'd be 283 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could do. One of the reasons 284 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Kyl mcnara says they fired O'Brien when they did was 285 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: to get ahead start on the search. He's got his 286 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: advisory group. And I'm sure Tony Dungee highly recommended Jim 287 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Caldwell as good buddy who's been wait him in two places. 288 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: And so I think that you and people ask me, 289 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: People say, well, why don't they hire the head coach first. 290 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: The only reason you hire the head coach first is 291 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: if you're going to give him power over personnel. And 292 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people coaches of that power over personnel, 293 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: but don't have the GM title. Off the top of 294 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: my head, you know, Belichick, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, 295 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: John Gruden, Ron Rivera, Pete Carroll, all those guys that 296 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: have finals say over personnel. And when I said that, 297 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: I thought Lewis Riddick should be working for an NFL 298 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: team working his way up to being a personnel director 299 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: and then the general manager instead of being out of 300 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the league so long. I think it was Wade Smith said, well, 301 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: look what Mike Mayock and he and John Leitch they 302 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: went from TV to GM's jobs. And I said, yeah, 303 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: but the differences. They don't have the final say over personnel. 304 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Those gems that don't. They're like head of personnel right 305 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: under the head coach, and then they're like director of 306 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: football operations. They handled all the things football ops as 307 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: like Jack Easterby did this season for Bill O'Brien while 308 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: Bill handled personnel and coaching. So I think that you 309 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: have to be very careful you move fast. Once the 310 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: season's over and they can start interviewing people, you know 311 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna they will expedite the process. Right now, they're 312 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: interviewing together information and those guys they talk to they 313 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: get second interviews when the gams in place. John, I 314 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: was going to ask you who's winning the division? But 315 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: I think we all know it's Tennessee unless they melt 316 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: down here, and it is a possibility, I guess, because 317 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: look at the NFL, look at the Pittsburgh Steelers right now, 318 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: but let's take the division first. Who goes further in 319 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: the postseason. I knows a lot of people picking the 320 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: Titans to win at Green Bay. I never picked the 321 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: Packers to lose it Lambeau feel like I used to 322 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: never pick the Patriots to lose at Gillette Stadium, and 323 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: that serving very well through the decades. So I went 324 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: with the Packers, and I think they'll get on field 325 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: advantage in the NFC. I think the Titans and the 326 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: Cults will lose, and the Titans will win the division, 327 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: beat the Texans win the division, and both of them 328 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: will make the playoffs. But what about in the playoffs? 329 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: What happens then? I think the only team capable of 330 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: beating Kansas City is a team that can run the 331 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: ball and keep Patrick Mahomes on the bench the way 332 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the Texans did last year in Kansas City when they 333 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: ran for I think it was one hundred and eighty 334 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: eight yards home through three touchdown passes. But the Texans 335 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: dominated the time of possession. And the team that can 336 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: do that better than any it's Tennessee. You know, Ryan 337 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: Tannehill's playing great. Just had five touchdowns, three running, two passing, 338 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: and Baltimore in Tennessee are the best running teams. The 339 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: difference is Baltimore has a good defense. Tennessee's defense is 340 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: very average. That's why I don't think anybody is going 341 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: to be the chiefs Now. If you're a Texans fan, 342 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: you should want the Colts to miss the playoffs because 343 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: that way they could ask for permission to talk to 344 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Ed Dodds, the assistant gee. I mean, if they want him, 345 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: and he's very, very talented, and then they could talk 346 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: to Matt Eberflus. You know, if you get if you 347 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: go for like a GM like Ed Dodge or Chris 348 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: Shay at Kansas City, they know they're couples. You know, 349 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: they could be talking to the guys about it right now. 350 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 1: We don't know. Because people say those guys are going 351 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: to be general manager. There seems to me to be 352 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: more really talented, successful personnel guys from consistently successful organizations 353 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: to be general managers than there are head coaches. General 354 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: we talk all about general managers head coaches. We're lucky 355 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: in Houston. We have him starting quarterback and hopefully have 356 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: him for a very very long time. We are lucky. 357 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: Some teams are not as such. The Titans were one 358 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: of those teams because Marcus Mariota was not getting it done. 359 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, Ryan Tannehill fell from the 360 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: clouds and turned into one of the better quarterbacks in 361 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: the league. So I go back to Mariota. Do you 362 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: think Mariota can resurrect his career somewhat like Tannehill? And 363 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance that John Gruden makes 364 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: a decision to go with Mariota over Derek carrt at 365 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: some point. Marcus Mariota has done a really good job 366 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: in his limited time with John Gruden. And I'm not 367 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: gonna say can't because I never thought Ryan Tannehill would 368 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: play like this. When the Titans let Mariota go and 369 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: John Robinson, I did a charity event with him in Nashville, 370 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: and I told people getting Ryan Tanneyhill in here could 371 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: be one of the best deals as franchises ever made. 372 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: And it was only because I knew they were going 373 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: to play him differently than Miami had. And it also 374 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: revolved around Derrick Henry and the great play action game 375 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: they have because of Henry. But Mariota could not excel consistently, 376 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: got hurt a lot. You know, we saw him a 377 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: lot against the Texans and he just never stood out. 378 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: But if you go to the right situation and the 379 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: right coach, with the right people around you, you got talent. 380 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: There's a reason Mariota was the second pick in the 381 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: back draft behind Jameis Winston. And I say this, Arthur Smith, 382 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: the Titans offensive coordinated. That's another guy that Texans should interview. 383 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith has been with the Titans ten years through 384 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: fourhead coaches. They all kept him on the team and 385 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: then Mike Vrabel saw enough in him to make him 386 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: the coordinator. That was a great move because their team, 387 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: for a running team they got, they're tied for most 388 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: points scoring in the league, thirty one points a game 389 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: for a team that runs the ball so much. And 390 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: he Arthur Smith. They're just decided up there. They know 391 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: they're going to lose him. The question for Vrabel is 392 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: who's going to replace him and be the next coordinator 393 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: because those will be real big shoes to fill. John 394 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: What's the better iconic Christmas TV special? Rudolph or Santa 395 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Claus Is coming to Town? The one with the Burger 396 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: Meister and the snow Maister or whatever that one is. 397 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: Which one do you think? Well? My favorite is and 398 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: my wife has everything she likes to watch, so I 399 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: like to watch The Grinch, but also like Rudolph because 400 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: when I was a child, I think, other than Santa, 401 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: Rudolph was the first Christmas character I heard about. And 402 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: then I remember Gene Autry singing Rudolph. I think he 403 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: was the first to sing at the late actor Slash 404 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Angel's honor, and so I've always had an affinity for Rudolph. 405 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: And there's some great Christmas commercials out there, and one 406 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: that I liked the most is maybe my all time 407 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: favorite Christmas movie, die Hard. If you're seeing the die 408 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: Hard commercial where Bruce Willis has to get a die 409 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: Harder battery and bad guys are chasing him and the 410 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: two main characters from die Hard the original in nineteen 411 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: eighty eight are there to help him, I'm thinking, Man, 412 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: they paid Bruce Willis a lot of money to make 413 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: that commercial, but I think it is hilarious. All right, General, 414 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: all right, General, let's go either or on more recent 415 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: Christmas films, The Grinch starring Jim Carrey or Elf with 416 00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Will Ferrell. I would take the Grinch just because I 417 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: liked The Grinch more and I've never been a Will 418 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: Farrell fan because I've never thought he was funny. Wow, 419 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm in the minority, no, but I got a good one. 420 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: For you here. Why hasn't anyone rebooted It's a Wonderful Life. 421 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: They've rebooted a lot of classics and bombed out and 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: of course that is a classic with James Stewart and 423 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: and by the way, of all the Scrooges, I don't 424 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: like them when they're in color. I like them when 425 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: they're black and white. And we liked the first one 426 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: that was made in the thirties because amazed at the 427 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: special effects for the ghosts of Christmas pass that come back. 428 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: But that's an interesting question about it. It's a wonderful life. 429 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: It is a Christmas movie. It only gets played certain 430 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: times of the year, and today it costs so much 431 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: money to make a movie. You want one that's gonna 432 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: be replayed over and over and streamed over and over, 433 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: not just in December. Well, look, Mariah carries All I 434 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Want for Christmas, I think, is the number one song 435 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: in the country, like every year at this time of year, right, 436 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: So I think there's some value in that general. I'm 437 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: surprised no one's rebooted it. And I like the way 438 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: they did Scrooge with Bill Murray because it is so different, 439 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: and why not make it different? And make it modernize 440 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: because to me, that's that's definitely one of my favorite 441 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: Christmas movies every year. Oh mine too, and I've seen 442 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: them all, but I still like the black and whites 443 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: when it's I don't know what it is about Christmas, 444 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: white Christmas. I like the black and white version better 445 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: than the color version. And as far as Mariah Carey, 446 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is Mariah carrying all 447 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: those little sexy outfits she wears when she's singing. It's 448 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: also to see her when you're on the radio, which 449 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: on the radio's saying the video and you've seen her 450 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: on online. I know you guys don't pay attention to 451 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: things like that. Of course, not the theater of the mind, Johnny, 452 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: theater of the mine. And besides I mean this, I 453 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: think people visualize the love act seen also because that 454 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: movie has kept that song going. Even though she doesn't 455 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: sing the one in the movie, it still keeps that 456 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: song going and sounds close enough. All right, General, thanks 457 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: so much for the time, and we will visit soon. 458 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you, Mark and John, Happy holidays, 459 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: and I will talk to you soon. And thank you 460 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: very much for having me as always, as always, the 461 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: general from the Houston Chronicle coming up deep tracks memories 462 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: of the Bengals, but not the ones you're thinking of. 463 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna go deep. And also my Christmas Texans memories 464 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: coming up here on Texans All Access since all Access, 465 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: since all Access since all Acts. It's Texans Radio Merry 466 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Christmas Christmas Eve edition with the Texans taking on the 467 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: Bengals on Sunday. Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you. Johnny, 468 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: you asked John McClain about his Texans Christmas memories. Of course, 469 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: the Randy Bullock missed field goal on Christmas Eve came up, 470 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: but there are some other memories as well. And it's 471 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: funny because we talked, I tease this too. Deep cuts 472 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: of Bengals Texans memories, right, and we all talk about 473 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, we talk about the playoff games, although we 474 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: don't talk about the second one much, but that was 475 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: a win. We talk about the Christmas Eve game, the 476 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: Monday night football game, you know, that kind of stuff. 477 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: But there are some other ones. Of course, the division 478 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: clincher in twenty eleven. But let's get to this. First 479 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, two thousand and six, Texans beating the Colts. 480 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: To me, I gotta say that's look, it's it's longer ago. 481 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: It was ten years before the Randy Bullock occurred, ten 482 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: years to the day before the Randy Bullock want occurred. 483 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: But that was so special to beat them for the 484 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: first time ever with Chris Brown hitting that field goal. 485 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: But I got some others for you, now, not Christmas 486 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: Eve necessarily, all right, But how about two thousand and four. 487 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: We flew to Jacksonville on Christmas Day for a road 488 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: game the next day, which you know this this is 489 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: the third year of the franchise, and it was very 490 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: early still and as the first time I remember, it 491 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: was snowing that day on Christmas Day in Houston. So 492 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: on the way to the airport, it was snowing, and 493 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that because the first time I saw 494 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: snow in Houston. You know, I've seen plenty of snow 495 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: in my life. I saw snow in Houston and that 496 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: was notable to me. And we flew out and you 497 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: could see the rooftop still covered with some snow as 498 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: we're flying to Jacksonville. And it was in Jacksonville David 499 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: Busters was open on Christmas Day, thank goodness, there was 500 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: somewhere to go and you know exactly where that is 501 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: near the hotel. And we beat the Jags on the 502 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: twenty sixth. But it was weird because you know, we 503 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: weren't with our families on Christmas Day, but we were 504 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: with each other and you weren't on the crew yet. 505 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: But we had a we had a really nice time 506 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: and the Texans won. So that was a good day. 507 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that as a Christmas Texans memory. I 508 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: can't believe that David Musters was open. I mean I really, 509 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: I really can't. I remember when when Paige and I 510 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: got married back five years ago, so it was our 511 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary, about nine days ago, and so we 512 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: were were teachers at the time, so we didn't have 513 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: that much money. So we were gonna honeymoon in New Orleans, 514 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: which was really fun. We were in living in Jackson's 515 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna drive the whole thing. So we drew to 516 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: drove to New Orleans at our honeymoon, then we drove 517 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: to Houston and we spent we spent the days league 518 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: up to Christmas in Houston. Then we're gonna drive to 519 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina to see Page his parents. We left on 520 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Day and there was nothing open on Christmas Day 521 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: like we were going and see all these places. You know, hey, 522 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: let's stop to eat and stop to eat. And the 523 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: only place opened along the way was I hop in 524 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: waffle House. And that is not in my wife's wheelhouse. 525 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: And so the fact that David Busters, because she would 526 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: have liked to have gone to David Busters, was open, 527 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: and that's a that was a big one. You know. 528 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: The thing about the first time that we had any 529 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: connection and I had any connection with football on Christmas 530 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: was in twenty sixteen when we played the Bengals that 531 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: night and I was telling where June and I were 532 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: talking about that. I think we remember the ending of 533 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: the game, but I think what we forget is the 534 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: lead up to that game. It was assumed that Tennessee 535 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: would go down to Jacksonville and win that the game 536 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: Week seventeen was gonna be in Nashville for the AFC South. 537 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: The Jags had fired Gus Bradley before they got on 538 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: the plane to leave from Houston. After we came back 539 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: and beat them, we were now at twenty to seven 540 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: or twenty to three. Brock through three interceptions, Tom Savage 541 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: brings us back. We were that game twenty one twenty 542 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: and then Gus Bradley is fired. Jacksonville names Doug Monroone 543 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: the interim head coach, and they knock off Tennessee that afternoon. 544 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: So we you know, it's Christmas Eve. So my wife 545 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: and I are trying to clean the house get ready 546 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: for Christmas, you know, afternoon and everything. And so we've 547 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: got every TV in the house on the game, and 548 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: so I was in the bedroom doing some stuff. My 549 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: wife was in the kitchen. I would hear her kind 550 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: of screech and scream about something. I'm like, what happened? 551 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: She goes. The Jaguars scored, and so we're kind of 552 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: living this like, oh my gosh, is jackson gonna pull 553 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: us off? And then Mariota got hurt, and you knew 554 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: at that point, oh, the Jags are gonna win this. 555 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: We're drive, remember, driving the stadium going all we have 556 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: to do is beat the Bengals. We just have to 557 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 1: beat the Bengals, and we can't score. Three to nothing 558 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: at halftime, the Bengals have the lead, and then we 559 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: started in the second half Star Movie, but we still 560 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: couldn't score. We got two field goals at six to three, 561 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: brand LaFell takes that one to the house and I'm like, 562 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: we are gonna lose this game to a Houstonian. They 563 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: just went ninety yards to the house. How's this gonna happen? 564 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: Then we score, finally we take the lead, and then 565 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: it's on Randy Bloke's foot and I go back to 566 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: it like a former Texas gonna beat us. This can't happen. 567 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: And literally that was my thought as I stood underneath 568 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: the goalpost. I actually didn't stand anything the goal posts. 569 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: You know this, I go down when I'm on the sidelines. 570 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: I stand between the sticks because I want to see 571 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: it go over my head to know for sure, to 572 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: tell you, and I couldn't do it. I was like, 573 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm not watching this thing. I stood to the right 574 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: of the upright about five feet and that ball went 575 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: right over my head and I pulled it. The electricity 576 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: in the building at that particular moment was unbelievable. It 577 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: was so amazing. And that was that was my first 578 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: experience with football and Christmas. And you know that game 579 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: was late. You and I always talk after the game, 580 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: give me your obviously talk. I got home, maybe like, 581 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, twelve thirty ish one o'clock, my wife 582 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: was rapping gifts and I was so wired. We had 583 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: all lights off Christmas treat fireplace, and I just turned 584 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: on the game and started watching the game. But like 585 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: two thirty three o'clock in the morning, and Page jumped 586 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: on the couch next to me and we just she 587 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: fell asleep because I'm watching the game. And it literally 588 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: that hole. I mean, twenty four hour plus span was 589 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: just unbelievable, incredible. I had to come home and put 590 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: stuff together, right, you know, some Christmases are more elaborate 591 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: than others. And I don't. My kids shot here, so 592 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: what I get home and my wife and her dad 593 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: are trying to put together this air hockey table and 594 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: it's not going well. It's like one in the morning, 595 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, just leave leave me. I was like 596 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: Nino Brown, leave me. And I put the thing together 597 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: and and I had a little bit of help, but 598 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I put the thing together. I did the finishing touches 599 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: and got it done. I must have got a bed 600 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: like four. You know, I'm wired anyway, after a game 601 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: like Dad, that was so exciting, but you're right, it 602 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: was twelve ten. I believe, yes, the extra point got 603 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: blocked after the touchdown, Alfred Fielgo beats us. Oh yeah yeah, 604 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: Phil Filgo wins the game. It's Savage's first start. Right 605 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: the week before, he came off the bench, and he 606 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: played well against the Jags. He had yet to throw 607 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: a touchdown pass though, right. Wasn't it true that it 608 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: took him forever to throw that first touchdown pass because 609 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: it just, for whatever reason, it wasn't happening. And you know, 610 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: twelve ten, he doesn't throw a TV pass. He gets 611 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: to start. It's funny because Andre was saying, I don't 612 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: know about the Savage. I don't know. Yeah, I mean 613 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: it was in that Bengals game because in the Jack's game, 614 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: he came in and he's slinging it. He dropped, he 615 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: dropped the nugget. The Wendell Williams remember him down the 616 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: sideline like right in front of me, and one of 617 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: our photographers caught a picture. I think it was Mike 618 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: Welsh caught a picture and I'm like, celebratings. I was 619 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: so happy for Wendell because this story was amazing and 620 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: that kind of got Tom going. In that game. He 621 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: was just firing. But against the Bengals, you could start 622 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: to see things like, oh, he's holding it a little 623 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: bit too long. The rush is getting to him. And 624 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: then the following week we're at Tennessee and we started 625 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: bit a game we don't need and he gets to 626 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: concussed and then brought us back here and you know 627 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: what happened at the half of that game. Anyway, we're 628 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: not gonna get into that, but that's that's a Christmas 629 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: memory for sure. Christmas A day in twenty seventeen, I 630 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: want to for get that against Pittsburgh, Hopkins had the 631 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: amazing catch. I mean that, And I think I said 632 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: this in our staff meeting the other day that even 633 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: in a game that was a blowout loss, in a 634 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: season that was a blowout record wise, at four and twelve, 635 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: you still had something happened in that game that was 636 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: one of the great moments as far as an individual 637 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: athletic achievement, that catch, because it made national TV commercials, 638 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: that hop catch. And I'm not going, you know, so 639 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: sad about Hopkins here on you but you know, I 640 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of but anyway, but I'm just pointing out that, 641 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, the Texans here at four and ten. You 642 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: could have some moments here these last couple of weeks 643 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: that could be huge. Still, you know, Watson could go off, 644 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: you could have you know, maybe Kalle Wearing does something amazing. 645 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, you could have something that you take 646 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,479 Speaker 1: with you into the following year and beyond. Even though 647 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: your team is totally out of it right now, you 648 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: never know. It's funny when you see something like that 649 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: happen and then it's happened a lot with hop and 650 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: you know what happened with it happened with the Sean too. 651 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the great things about 652 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: live sports. I mean, look, you can watch on TV, 653 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: but now TVs whatever service you have, you immediately can 654 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: go back and watch something like watch it again. But 655 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: when you see it happen live, like right in front 656 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: of you, it's almost like that moment vanishes and you're like, no, no, no, 657 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: I want to see that again, Like, let me see 658 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: that again. And the Buffalo play was was a perfect 659 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: example of that, where Sean escapes and makes to throw. 660 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: But you know, the catch against Pittsburgh on Christmas Day 661 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: by Hop was was one of those come like wait 662 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: a second, I've seen him do some some miraculous things. 663 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: Did he just pull that off? And you're like, wait 664 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: a second, I wish I could see that again live, 665 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: because I want to see greatness again live. I mean, 666 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: because it was I think that's the best one he 667 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: ever had. I think that in the Giants one. But 668 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: you want to see it like you see it happen 669 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: live and you're like, dang. And luckily, obviously we have 670 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: video boards you can see the replays and things like that, 671 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: but it just happened so fast and you just see 672 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: how great and you're like, I was there to see that, 673 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: And that's a memory will have. But of course the 674 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: rest of the game not so much, not so much 675 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: so much, but four years ago on this day, that's 676 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: one of the great memories I have. Ian. Look, that 677 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen team was flawed. We all know it was 678 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: not offensively great, we get it, but man, that memory 679 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: of seeing the game and I told I told this one, 680 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: and you actually poked fun at me. Say that one 681 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: for after the break? Okay, okay, because I got a 682 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: good one. But that in that twenty sixteen season, by 683 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: the way I still look at that is that was 684 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: a fun season. I know, Rock and everything, but it 685 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: was a winning season. You want to playoff game? My gosh, 686 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean I'll take that this year, all right. Next 687 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: up you're finishing that thought, We've got the deep album 688 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: cuts of the Cincinnati Memories. That's all coming up here 689 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. There at Texans Radio. Welcome to Texans 690 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: All Access. We have brought to you by Miller Lite. 691 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: During this time of social distancing, cheering on the Texans 692 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: over a beer might look a little different today. As 693 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: the original light beer, Miller Lite has always been there 694 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: to bring people together through Miller Time. 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Mark Vanderma and 704 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: John Harris with you. Okay, finish your thought. We were 705 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: talking about the twenty sixteen kapper or one of them, 706 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: one of the final games on Christmas see four years 707 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: ago tonight. But the Texans beat the Bengals. But what 708 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: else were you going to say? You know, we were 709 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: talking about hop a little while ago, and when they 710 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: went to kick the field goal. I remember there being 711 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: a time out and then I saw I looked over 712 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: the sideline. You know, I'm just trying to pick up 713 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: any kind of nugget during a timeout. I mean, you 714 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: know that, I try and if I find something, I 715 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: see something, I try and get it here. And I 716 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: remember seeing the sideline and I see Hopkins kind of 717 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: winding his way, kind of working his way through the 718 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: people pretty fast, putting on his helmet, and they put 719 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: him in as the blocker. They tried charge forward and 720 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: then let him go up and try and block it. 721 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: And so he's on the field, and so I didn't 722 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: intend it. I just was more focused on, you know, 723 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: where the football was. But then as soon as it's oh, 724 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: game's over. There was five seconds left, so that was 725 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: the last play. Game over. Everybody's charging the field like 726 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he sees me, and we like 727 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: jump up and like hug And so the next Monday 728 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: in our department meeting, one one of our videographers happened 729 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: to catch that moment and he made it like the 730 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: Titanic music and it got building to that moment it 731 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: showed us and everybody just broke up laughing. But it 732 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: was that was such a unbelievable moment. And I don't 733 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: know if Hop threw it off. I don't know if 734 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: if Bullock peaked and saw him or whatever, but he 735 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: just pushed it and maybe Hop was enough to push it. 736 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: But I just remember running on the field that he 737 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: was the first person I saw and just like jumped 738 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: up and hugged and then just went crazy. It was 739 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: just such a really cool moment to have that, you know, 740 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: four years ago. And I think the biggest thing I 741 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: learned all that mark was you just don't take that 742 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: for granted. You know, you don't take a playoff season 743 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: no matter how you get in. You know, I I thought 744 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: about the NFC East this year, and that doesn't matter 745 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: how you get in. If you get into eight and 746 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: eight or seven and nine, who cares? You won your division, 747 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: no matter how bad it is, and you got a 748 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: shot to go to the dance, and who knows what 749 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: happens once you get in there, you know, So from 750 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: that perspective, you know, anybody that, oh, you know, Division 751 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen not great teams, I'll understand that weren't 752 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: gonna win a championship. I get that. But still to 753 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: have those moments that we were able to have, the 754 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: team is able to have winning the division the way 755 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: we were able to do it in fifteen sixteen, and 756 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't think anybody chef to apologize 757 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: for that at all, because that twenty sixty If you 758 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: were in the building at twenty that night, that was 759 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: the best twelve ten game you ever saw. It was fantastic. Yeah, 760 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: you're you're right, You're right. You know, it's funny prepping 761 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: for the Bengals. The last three games, the Bengals have 762 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: not been able to score more than ten points against 763 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: the Texans, but the Texans have not been able to 764 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: score more than thirteen against the Bengals. I mean, they've 765 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: been such low scoring affairs. That Monday nighter we always 766 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: talk about at ten six And by the way, I 767 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: wrote a piece yesterday on you know, on all the 768 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: Bengals Memories, and I said, I still think that the 769 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: Monday Night football game with the Hopkins catch right in 770 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: front of you off the arm of Yates is the 771 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: biggest catch of his career. And I'll stand by that 772 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: because that man had turned around the whole season. It 773 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: gave everybody a shot in the arm. It helped you 774 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: win that football game, and that was the only touchdown 775 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: of the game. And look, they were two and five, 776 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: they won a division. So I think that's the biggest one. 777 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: We could talk about hop spins. That was huge as well, 778 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: but they could you know, they could possibly still win 779 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: that game or tie it and end up going to 780 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Anyway, I think without that hopcatch Monday Night 781 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: Football against the Bengals, They're not going anywhere. So I'll 782 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: stand by that. But other ones that are big, not 783 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: necessarily big. I go deep album cuts. You know, the Texans. 784 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks they owned the Bengals, and they kind of 785 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: do lately. Let's be honest, all right. The one loss 786 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: in relatively recent years is the twenty fourteen game. But Johnny, 787 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: that was Ryan Mallett's second start. Remember how high. We 788 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: were on the ballot train. A mixing metaphors here, but 789 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: we were so happy about Mallet beating Cleveland and Cleveland 790 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: and his first already comes home. We're like, we got 791 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: a quarterback now maybe and no, he thought because he 792 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: tore his pack or whatever, and he's not playing well 793 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: and he's gone and he would start again for the 794 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: Texans the following year, but it was never the same. 795 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: I really I would love to know what would have 796 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: happened to his career had he not had that injury 797 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: and played better on that day, that day alone, that 798 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: day alone, and somehow you beat the Bengals, you two 799 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: and two, and he's still going and he's locked in. 800 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: I would love to know what would have happened to 801 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: his career and the franchise as well. Yeah, no doubt. 802 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: And it's so you know, Ju and I we were 803 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: talking about that the week before. You know, I think 804 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: what made that that game such a downer? You talk 805 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: about it, the highs and the lows of this thing. 806 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, when we went to Cleveland the week before, 807 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: were coming out of the bye We go to Cleveland. 808 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: Cleveland was six and three at the time, and Mike 809 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: Pennon was the coach and Kyle Shannion was the coordinator, 810 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: and it looked like, holy smokes man, they could be 811 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: doing something. They were doing it with Brian Hoyer and 812 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: thought man whole. The Browns were favored against us, but 813 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: we were starting Mallet or I was excited about that, 814 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: and then we perceive to pound the Browns. JJ has 815 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: that catch. Mallet plays well through a couple of touchdowns 816 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: that when the JJ won to Garett Graham, Alfred Bleue 817 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifty yards rushing or whatever it was, 818 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: and we pounded him. And I remember getting on the 819 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: plane and the plane was sort of raucous, and then 820 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: Sean Hayes, our assistant strength conditioning coach, got on the 821 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: mic and started doing Randy Macho Man Savage. The plane 822 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: is breaking up, like whole. We got this thing. It's 823 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: the Bengals. Mallet's gonna be a second starter at home. 824 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna people are gonna go crazy. This is awesome. 825 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden that game goes sideways. 826 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: It goes sideways, and oh my gosh, what what's going on? 827 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: And then we find out that next day Ryan Mallet's 828 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: Ryan mout towards Peck. He's done for the year, and 829 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: we're like, huh, what's going on? And so that Bengals game, 830 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: from the highs of the last eight out of nine 831 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: that we've had against the Bengals, the low of that 832 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: one loss to them was such a gut punch beca 833 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: as all that went with it. Man, Holy cow, that 834 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: was a rough one, I'll tell you. The Bengals also 835 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: put on the Texans the first loss in the history 836 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: of the franchise that I was really disappointed in. I mean, 837 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: early on, of course, you beat the Cowboys week one, 838 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: Week two, we always talk about it. You went to 839 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: the Chargers nine sacks on David, you lose the game. 840 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: Not that that wasn't disappointed, but you knew the Texans 841 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: are gonna lose a lot of games expansion team. You 842 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: just felt like that was coming in many different ways. 843 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: But the Bengals game at home was week eight, Year one. 844 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: Week eight. In week seven, the Texans beat the Jags 845 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: on the road for the first ever road victory of 846 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: any kind and went to two and five, and I thought, okay, 847 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: and Dom Capers is showing me all this stuff. He's 848 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: got charts in grass like James that are three and 849 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: five and what you can do from there, and oh 850 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, it's not over and you have a chance. 851 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,439 Speaker 1: So I was thinking the Bengals at the time were winless, 852 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: John Kitten a quarterback, they're winless, and I'm thinking, we 853 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: got two wins. We should be able to handle this thing, right, 854 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 1: should be able to be just as good as them. 855 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: And the Texans lose thirty eight to three. So and 856 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: that was really crushing because I thought they had a 857 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: legit shot to at least be three and five. Who 858 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: knows where it goes from there, but that was a 859 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: major disappointment at that time. That was the first time 860 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: I was really heartbroken about a loss because everything's relative. Johnny, 861 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time, and Merry Christmas to 862 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: you and your family. To you as well, Mark, thank 863 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: you very much. All Right, coming up, We've got a 864 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, dpcit who catches Up with 865 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: Chad Hanson and True Doherty with Kali Wearing and much 866 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: more coming up on Texans All Access Christmas Eve Edition 867 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: five edition, Hello Texans, Hour or two of this Christmas 868 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: Eve Bonus edition of Texans All Access Merry Christmas to 869 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: you and your family. Happy holidays. We hope you're enjoying them, 870 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: and great to have you listening tonight. You're on your 871 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: way somewhere to spend some time with people or not, 872 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I've been alone on Christmas 873 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: Eve before. Do I have to tell that story or 874 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: those stories? No, I've worked on plenty of Christmas Eve, 875 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: and even before I was in this business, Christmas Eve, 876 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: Christmas Day, bartending and stuff in college just to get 877 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,879 Speaker 1: a few bucks and get through school. We've all had 878 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: to do it at some point in our lives. And 879 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: maybe you enjoyed. I actually enjoyed it. I thought it 880 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: was pretty cool to be out there and you sort 881 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: of have a special kind of Christmas with people that 882 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: you're working with. And I hope whatever you're whatever it 883 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: is you're doing tonight, I hope it's going smoothly. I 884 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: know a lot of people who are working are listening 885 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: to this program. So Merry Christmas to you when we 886 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: really do appreciate all your efforts, especially during this very 887 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: challenging year for assault. All right, let's get to some 888 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: fun stuff here with Kahale wearing tight End for your Texans. 889 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: A couple of catches last week. We're really starting to 890 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: make some noise here. That's what you want to see 891 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: drafted in the third round. In twenty nineteen, we all 892 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: know the story. Great practice session at Green, Babe gets concussed, 893 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: never sees the field of twenty nineteen probably could have 894 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: with relaxed IR rules similar to this year. That would 895 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: have helped. Also, the tight ends were playing great, and 896 00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't think there was any rush to get them. 897 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: A last year sort of a red shirt year for him. 898 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: But this year finally on the field doing some business. 899 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: So let's get to Drew Doughty's dozen questions. This is 900 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: fun stuff with Drew. Listen it now. Now for Drew's dozen, 901 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: and for that, we're turning to tight end Kahale wearing 902 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 1: it's the first time he's done a Drews dozen. Tokali, 903 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: thank you for answering these twelve questions. And let's start. First. 904 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: You have a cool first name. It's not one of 905 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: those boring biblical first names like Andrew, which is mine 906 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: or John or James or whatever. It's Khali. Tell us 907 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 1: about Kahali. What's that mean? So my whole first name 908 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: is Kahali Kuokwani. I mean it's thirty House of the 909 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: Heavens Wine. Hey, I didn't pick it so, but yeah, 910 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: my dad's from from Hawaii. Mom's from northern California, but 911 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: it was always fun to visit him when I was younger. Yeah. 912 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: Do you give you've gotten a chance to go to 913 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 1: Hawaii often? Yeah? Growing up, but once you know, sports 914 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: continued to get more and more important. These sports these 915 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: days a year round and stuff, so kind of how 916 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: to stay home. I've been lucky enough to go twice 917 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to go back again. I love Hawaii. 918 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: I always love talking about Hawaii with Kyney Fairbaron. Do 919 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,280 Speaker 1: you guys chit chat about Hawaii from time to time? Yeah? 920 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: We actually have some family that know each other in Hawaii, 921 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,800 Speaker 1: and my aunt Kulai good friends with some of his family, 922 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: so it's kind of fun to interact and talk to 923 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: my family. He talks to his and stuff. So have 924 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,879 Speaker 1: you ever had a chance to eat spam moosu be? Oh? Yeah, 925 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: huge fan, huge fan? Not the best. Like you hear 926 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: it and you're like that that can't be any good, 927 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: and then you taste it and it's like, oh my gosh, right, yeah, 928 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: especially if you go to the seventy eleven. It's a 929 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine cents. Let's go get a few and you're set. 930 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: You're set for lunch. Yeah. About a decade ago, I 931 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: got to cover the Pro Bowl in Hawaii and one 932 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: of the guys used to work here. He had lived 933 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: in Hawaii when he was growing up for a bit 934 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: and he's like, dude, trust me, let's try this. So 935 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: I tried it on the first day, and then the 936 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: rest of the time we were there, we eat a 937 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: spam moosy beer two and a diet Doctor Pepper on 938 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: the way of the morning practice. That was when I 939 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: was about ten fifteen pounds heavier, so you can see why. 940 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,919 Speaker 1: But that's good stuff. Okay, no more spam moosy be talk. 941 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: Let's shit chat about water polo. You played it in 942 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: high school. How rugged a sport is water polo? It's 943 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: it's intense. There's a lot of stuff that goes on 944 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: under the water that you know you can't always see 945 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: because splash in or you just can't really see under 946 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: the water. So it's good. It'll test how hard things are. 947 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: So okay, I've heard stories and I think you just 948 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of gave the nice PG version of stuff that 949 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,479 Speaker 1: goes on under the water. What goes on under the water. 950 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: There's jabs, there's you know, people digging their feet in 951 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: your suit and like pushing off you to get get 952 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: the advantage. It just can It can be intense. So 953 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: you have to try it out for yourself on one 954 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: of these days. I'll just stick to this swimming, which 955 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: you also you got to do a lot of to 956 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: stay in shape for that. What was a typical practice, like, 957 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what all would you all have to do? 958 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: Shoot you get there? We normally had a practice in 959 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: the morning before school where we'd get our swimming in, 960 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: so we'd have to swim a certain distance, and then 961 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: after school we'd come in and we'd then we'd have 962 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 1: our practice shots on goal, moving the ball, all just 963 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: all different things in those morning swim practices. You're going 964 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: a few miles a day, aren't you. Yeah, it's quite 965 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: a bit. It'll get you in good shape, yes it will, Yes, 966 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: it will. But you could also play basketball too. What 967 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: was your basketball career like? Because I've seen the videos 968 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: of you dump in and doing like three sixties and stuff. Yeah, 969 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: my stepdad, who I grew up listening to us too. 970 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: He's the varsity basketball coach in my high school, so 971 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: it's always been before before school, you're in the gym 972 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: getting up a certain amount of shots. After your you know, 973 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: your practice and travelball. He was my chravelball coach for 974 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,839 Speaker 1: a good chunk of it too, so I learned a lot. 975 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, you're as translates, you know, from basketball to 976 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: football pretty well, just seeing the ball going up and 977 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: making catches. So no doubt. Man. So if your stepdad 978 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: was the varsity coach, you just talked about it. You 979 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: were kind of forced and it was almost like a 980 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: natural thing to be a gym rat, weren't you. Yeah. 981 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that's a big reason for some of 982 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,919 Speaker 1: your success? Oh yeah, especially come from a small town. 983 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,439 Speaker 1: You know, there's not it's not San Diego like where 984 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: I went to school, where you got the beach and everything. 985 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, you you got your sports, you got your school, 986 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: go home, get a good night's sleep, and redo it. 987 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: So it's a good clean living right there. All right, 988 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: tell me about your favorite all time athlete. Who is 989 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 1: it or was it? So it's definitely been Rob Gronkowski 990 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: every since I started playing football and learned learned football, 991 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: learned about the tight end position. First thing I googled 992 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: when I heard about the tight end and stuff. The 993 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: first thing pops up when you google Rob Gronkowski everything 994 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: he's done. So since that moment, I've watched every single 995 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: thing there is to watch on Gronk and studied him 996 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: inside and out in We're eighty seven College. He's just 997 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: been a big, big favorite of mine since since I 998 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: started playing the game. You ever had a chance to 999 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: meet him, I'm not, Well, maybe someday you. I have 1000 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,879 Speaker 1: talked him briefly on FaceTime because I have a good 1001 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: friend Sean Bunting that plays on the Bucks put me 1002 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: on FaceTime for a second. But it wasn't too long, 1003 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: So maybe I'll get to meet only person someday. Well, 1004 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,280 Speaker 1: if you've watched all his tape, then you can understand 1005 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: why I whenever the Texans played him, whenever the ball 1006 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: was going his way. He's one of those like three 1007 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,720 Speaker 1: or four guys that I've covered that is a hold 1008 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: your breath guy because it's like the ball's going his way, 1009 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: nothing good's gonna happen for the Texans if that you know, 1010 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he sees one of those guys. It just 1011 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 1: when it goes as way, bad things are going to happen. Right, 1012 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: So he's your favorite athlete. What's your favorite holiday of 1013 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: all time? Holiday? Shoot? I mean, you can't go around 1014 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 1: Christmas coming around the corner. Family gets to gather, everybody's 1015 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,879 Speaker 1: exchanging gifts. Always a good always a good dinner, can't 1016 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: go wrong. I'm a big fan of Christmas. What's on 1017 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: the perfect dinner plate at Christmas Dinner? Hm, that's tough. 1018 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: I mean, definitely some Definitely gotta have the ham, turkey, 1019 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: nash chas, and gravy. I mean, I know it's not Thanksgiving, 1020 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,799 Speaker 1: but doesn't it doesn't hurt to have it. So yeah, 1021 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: that works. Lots of games for the week. Coach, can't 1022 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,959 Speaker 1: get mad at me for I'll be on my weight. 1023 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Well, Christmas is the favorite holiday. 1024 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: What's your favorite What was the best Christmas gift you 1025 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: ever got? Best Christmas gift? That's tough. I have. Honestly, 1026 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: I've received a Rob Gronkowski jersey when I was a 1027 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: senior in high school. Can't lie. I wasn't excited about that. 1028 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: If you want to throw it back to the favorite athlete, 1029 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 1: But I've always had good Christmases with my family. Can't complain. 1030 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: We all like to take care of each other. So 1031 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: all right, well, Kholli Wearing, We appreciate the time, best 1032 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: of luck in the less than the season. Merry Christmas 1033 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,879 Speaker 1: to you. I hope you haven't good to one. Hope 1034 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: you get it. Jurge, here a gift that you really loved, 1035 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,919 Speaker 1: and we'll suck again. Very very sick. He kind of good. 1036 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm good, thanks for having me. There's Drew Doherty with 1037 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: Kahale Wearing, Texans tight end. Now let's get to another 1038 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: pass catcher. This one a wide receiver, Chad Hanson. And 1039 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: you know his story a little bit by now. My gosh, 1040 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,800 Speaker 1: three games in a row. He's done business as a receiver, 1041 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: really making some noise. Like we said, as Wearing is, 1042 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: but Hanson bigger, okay goes for over the century market. 1043 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: His first game as a Texan last week, caught his 1044 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: first career touchdown, a thirty eight yarder off the arm 1045 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson. And Wearing has been in the league 1046 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: for a while. Twenty seventeen, he was a draft choice 1047 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: fourth rounder, was with the Jets, played a little bit 1048 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: with them in twenty seventeen, did not see the field 1049 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: in a regular NFL game until this year. How about that? 1050 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: And you've heard the stories about he and Watson working 1051 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: out in the off season with other guys, and also 1052 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: we mentioned this during our training camp shows. We were 1053 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,839 Speaker 1: mentioning it live. That's why I gotta listen to those. 1054 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: We talked about Hanson and how good he looked out there, 1055 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: but we were thinking afterthought, really because you have Brandon 1056 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: Cooks and Randall Cobb and Kenny Stills and Will Fuller. 1057 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: You had all these guys way in front of him. 1058 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: You still at QT, you still at DeAndre Carter. But 1059 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 1: Hanson looks good out there. Well, he looks really good. 1060 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: It looks like you can play for a long time 1061 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,799 Speaker 1: in this league. Actually, we'll see how it goes with him. 1062 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,320 Speaker 1: But dep situ The Deep Slant Interview presented by Acfinity. 1063 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 1: She will hurt me if I don't say that emotionally, 1064 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: that is, so let's get to it. The Deep Slat 1065 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 1: Interview DP Cito and Chad Hanson. Chad, I guess I 1066 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: have to start with the touchdown catch. First of all, 1067 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: your first career NFL touchdown, And I heard that on 1068 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: the sideline when you scored, there was pandemonium, like teammates 1069 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: running down the sideline wanted to congratulate you, both offensive 1070 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: defensive players. How cool was that moment for you and 1071 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,319 Speaker 1: getting to celebrate it with your teammates like that, man, 1072 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's my fourth year in the 1073 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: league and my first NFL touchdown, so they knew how 1074 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: much it meant to me, and you know, it was 1075 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: just it was just awesome being a to celebrate with 1076 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 1: everybody on the sideline going. You know, you know, you're 1077 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,280 Speaker 1: just so you're out of breath because you've been celebrating 1078 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: on the field with your teammates. You come off and 1079 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: everybody mobs you. It's the best feeling in the world. 1080 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: It was awesome. Deshaun said he was so excited for 1081 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: you as well. He said that he was just worried 1082 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: that you might run out of bounds first before you 1083 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: actually scored. So what was going through your head the 1084 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 1: whole time? I mean, that's a big moment for an 1085 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,520 Speaker 1: NFL receiver. You had to wait a long time to 1086 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: get there, so was there nerves? What was going on 1087 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 1: in your mind? Well, I mean, I think I'd played 1088 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: enough football over the first you know, three games too. 1089 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's no nerves. I knew what I was 1090 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: supposed to do, but they called that play and I 1091 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: knew with the coverage that the Colts run. I saw 1092 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: the backside and the corner and the safety roma Brandon, 1093 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna be wide open, you know, 1094 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: because I was just feeling that void. But I was 1095 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: running across looking at de Shan and he wasn't looking 1096 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: at me. He was looking at Brandon, and I was 1097 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: kind of worried. I was like, I've been running for 1098 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: kind of why kind of a while. So um, yeah, 1099 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: he led me inside with the ball because I think 1100 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: I probably would have run out of bounds, but he 1101 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,040 Speaker 1: led me back inside. I caught it and jogged in 1102 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: the end zone. It was It was one of the 1103 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,959 Speaker 1: coolest feelings ever. Yeah, all right, so where's the ball now? 1104 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: I imagine you're going to keep it forever and ever, 1105 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: but well, I mean depending on when this Air's my 1106 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: girlfriend's birthdays today, so I kind of I wrapped it 1107 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: up in a box and she's gonna open it. So 1108 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: she's been with me through the full, through the full 1109 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: four years, moving around and you know, throwing me tennis 1110 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,800 Speaker 1: balls and being my trainer and all that stuff. So 1111 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: we actually gave your girlfriend a shout out on our 1112 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: pregame show because our producer Tyler saw that on TikTok 1113 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: she didn't get a shout out for being the one 1114 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: to drive you to all those offseason practices with Dashawan, 1115 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: so we felt like we had to give her some credit. Yeah, yeah, 1116 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: she wanted That's funny. I know the video talking about Yeah, 1117 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: she wanted that shout out. I didn't give it to her. 1118 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: She's kind of upset. I think we're too now for her. 1119 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,160 Speaker 1: So hopefully that makes up for a little bit. So 1120 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about that off season because I think that's 1121 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 1: probably one of the most talked about things. Every time 1122 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: we talk about you and how good you looked in 1123 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: training camp, it kind of went back to the off 1124 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: season about how you followed Deshaun around different states, you 1125 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 1: worked out with him. What was that like? Because do 1126 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 1: you ask DeShawn like, hey, where are you gonna be 1127 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: and you sync up with him? How was that plan made? 1128 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: And then how did you decide that you're gonna go 1129 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: with him to different locations and throw the ball with him? Well, 1130 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean last year, I was on the practice squad 1131 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: all years, so I didn't really have that good of 1132 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: a relationship with him. And I knew going into the 1133 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 1: next season that if I wanted to be, you know, playing, 1134 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 1: I needed to have a good relationship with Deshaun, you know, 1135 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: because he's a starting quarterback and you need you know, 1136 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: the receiver quarterback trust is the biggest thing that you 1137 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: could have. So I knew that was a big thing. Um, 1138 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,280 Speaker 1: So I would I would hit him up, you know, hey, 1139 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: what are you thinking about? You know, when are you 1140 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: throwing or you know what you're doing? And you know 1141 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: he'd text me back where he was what he's gonna 1142 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: be doing throwing? So um, you know, I just always 1143 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,919 Speaker 1: made myself available and would fly you know here because 1144 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,800 Speaker 1: I trained in the off season in southern California. Um, 1145 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: I would fly back here and throw with them, went 1146 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,439 Speaker 1: to Arizona with them, so um, you know, just those 1147 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: reps before training camp were huge for me. Um. You know, 1148 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: and I obviously I hadn't had many reps with him 1149 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 1: the previous season, so getting on the same page, the 1150 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 1: timing and all that help going into the season. Yeah, 1151 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,920 Speaker 1: and you know you you mentioned being on the practice squad, 1152 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,440 Speaker 1: So obviously you're not catching passes from from Deshaun and 1153 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: during those practices you're on scout team or you're working 1154 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 1: with second third team quarterbacks. But what's what are sort 1155 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,919 Speaker 1: of the things that you felt like you got better at. 1156 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned timing and chemistry, but what's that conversation like 1157 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: with Deshaun when you're out there practicing, Like what he 1158 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,520 Speaker 1: wants to see from you and what you need to 1159 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: give him to sort of get on the same page, 1160 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: like the way you guys are now. Yeah, I mean 1161 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: there's always there's always a route drawn on the paper, 1162 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, a certain depth, you know a certain way 1163 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,160 Speaker 1: to run it. But you know, football is always changing 1164 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,680 Speaker 1: and it's you know, reacting to how the defense plays, 1165 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,280 Speaker 1: and and that's really the biggest thing. And I think 1166 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: that's that's that's why him and how him and Hop 1167 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,919 Speaker 1: had such a good connection. They always knew where each 1168 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: other was going to be. And I wanted that with 1169 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: with me and Deshan and being able to talk to 1170 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,480 Speaker 1: him and um, you know, seeing seeing what he saw 1171 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: on different coverages and and you know, just we talk 1172 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: about seeing the play through one set of eyes and 1173 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, being being the quarterback size and being able to, 1174 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, be in the right spot at the right time. 1175 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard the word confidence a lot 1176 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: with you this this season. Tim Kelly has mentioned it, 1177 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Deshan's mentioned it that you're just playing with a lot 1178 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: of confidence. And I imagine that's got to be because 1179 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 1: you got those extra reps. But what is that like 1180 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 1: during the first part of the season when you've had 1181 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: so much work with him this offseason and in training 1182 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: camp and then the first part of the season. Most 1183 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 1: of the first part of the season you're on the 1184 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 1: practice squad and now you're actually on the active roster. 1185 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: So do you do you fall back a little bit? 1186 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 1: Or is it sort of like riding a bike that 1187 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: once you're back out there catching passes from him, it's 1188 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: you kind of pick up where you left off. What 1189 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,160 Speaker 1: is that whole process like for you? Yeah? Um, you know, 1190 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,360 Speaker 1: the confidence definitely takes a blow when you're when you're 1191 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: cut at the end of at the beginning of the 1192 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: season and the training camp, um, you know, and and 1193 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: being on the practice squad not getting as many reps 1194 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 1: uh in practice with the with the first team, and um, yeah, 1195 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: but I knew that once I got my opportunity, um, 1196 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I'll be ready because I knew I could play at 1197 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: this level. I knew I could play against anybody. So UM, 1198 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 1: when I did get that shot against India, I wasn't 1199 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,240 Speaker 1: nervous because you know, I mean, I think partly because 1200 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: you know Deshaun is so you know, calm and the auto. 1201 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 1: It kind of kind of puts everybody at ease a 1202 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,160 Speaker 1: little bit. So I know that I can go out 1203 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,960 Speaker 1: and make plays, and and him throwing throwing me the 1204 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: ball shows me that he trusts me, and so you know, 1205 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: I just make the players that come to me. That's 1206 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: all I can do. So you know, I think that 1207 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: confidence snapped right back once I stepped on the field 1208 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: for the first time. I think a lot of people 1209 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 1: don't know your journey into the NFL. Obviously, even with 1210 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: the Texans for the last two seasons. So you were 1211 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: on the practice squad in twenty nineteen and practice squad 1212 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: until you were on the active roster this year. But 1213 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,280 Speaker 1: walk us through if you can. You know what it's 1214 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: been like for you getting into the NFL and how 1215 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: many different teams you've been through for those first two 1216 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 1: or three seasons that you were in the league. Yeah, 1217 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it has been a long journey. But so 1218 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,760 Speaker 1: I was drafted to the Jets in twenty seventeen, played 1219 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 1: there for a year, actually with Josh McCown. Josh McCown 1220 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 1: was my quarterback there. It's kind of funny, but so 1221 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: I was released my second year after training camp there, 1222 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,480 Speaker 1: claimed the first week to the Patriots. Was there with 1223 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: the Patriots for two weeks on the active roster. Was 1224 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:06,240 Speaker 1: released there, picked up by the Tennessee Titans probably a 1225 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: couple of weeks later. Was with Tennessee for a month, 1226 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: released there, and then picked up by Denver's practice squad 1227 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,920 Speaker 1: probably around week eight of twenty eighteen. Finished off the 1228 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: season there, went through all of OTA's with Denver. Was 1229 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 1: released there in twenty nine the spring of twenty nineteen, 1230 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,120 Speaker 1: was picked up onto the roster, like you know, the 1231 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,200 Speaker 1: offseason roster by the by the Saints. Came in for 1232 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,360 Speaker 1: training camp there, first day going through medicals and physicals 1233 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,360 Speaker 1: and stuff. They brought me into office, released me. So 1234 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I was fortunately picked up here I think two or 1235 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,960 Speaker 1: three days later. So it was a fourth day of 1236 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 1: camp here. Picked up here last year twenty nineteen, training 1237 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,000 Speaker 1: camp and then I've been here ever since. It really 1238 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: is a case of perseverance. I mean, you cannot be 1239 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: an impatient person to go through this process. In what 1240 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,160 Speaker 1: you've been through, I was looking at your college career. 1241 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 1: It seems like it's sort of mirrored that a little bit, 1242 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 1: Like you just have this perseverance in you, right because 1243 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 1: you grew up in California. You wanted to go to 1244 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 1: school in California. But even that was a little bit 1245 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: of a winding road, was an I you started off 1246 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 1: at Idaho State and then and then tell me about 1247 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: that and how you ended up back in California again. Yeah, 1248 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,760 Speaker 1: for sure. I kind of matured late, so I was 1249 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: I was kind of behind the curve in high school 1250 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. I didn't really have a great high 1251 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,960 Speaker 1: school career until my senior year. So I had a 1252 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 1: good senior year in high school, one of the better 1253 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 1: conferences in high school conferences in California. My only offer 1254 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: was to Idaho State, and that was late in the 1255 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: recruiting process, I think, pretty pretty close to signing day, 1256 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,680 Speaker 1: so I didn't really know what I was gonna do. 1257 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,320 Speaker 1: I got that I got a full ride there, so 1258 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 1: I decided that that was probably best, you know, that 1259 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: was a school that wanted me. I went there, started 1260 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: my freshman year, had had a good year, I think 1261 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,160 Speaker 1: five hundred yards, but I knew that I wouldn't be 1262 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: happy there if I knew or not trying at least 1263 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: to play at a higher level because I thought, you know, 1264 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 1: playing against some of the kids in high school that 1265 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,440 Speaker 1: went to the highest level, you know, I thought that 1266 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: I would be able to play there. So that spring 1267 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,160 Speaker 1: after my freshman year at Idaho State, I decided to 1268 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,240 Speaker 1: start putting out emails to you know, transfer and so 1269 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: I went through that whole process that was kind of 1270 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: a kind of a terrible process. Honestly, it kind of sucks, 1271 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,280 Speaker 1: but thankfully I found a home in CAL, walked on 1272 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: at Cal, had to red shirt and then played a 1273 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: little bit my second year behind some of the receivers 1274 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: that we had with Jared Goff, and then my red 1275 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,080 Speaker 1: shirt junior years when I was able to have a 1276 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,360 Speaker 1: breakout season and play with Davis Webb. So that was 1277 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: it was kind of a crazy journey there, Like you 1278 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,200 Speaker 1: were saying, a little bit of perseverance and not given up, 1279 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's definitely worthwhile. So, well, here 1280 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,880 Speaker 1: you are on the active roster, and I think that 1281 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,439 Speaker 1: Romeo Cornell has been asked about it the last few weeks, 1282 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: especially after your first game against Indie, about putting you 1283 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster because the way things 1284 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: are right now through COVID, you get placed on the 1285 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: active roster for game day, then you revert back to 1286 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the practice squad. So you have this fantastic game against 1287 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the Colts here at Energy Stadium, and then you go 1288 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 1: back to the practice squad and then you're brought up 1289 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: again against the Bears, and you go back down the 1290 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 1: practice squad. Well, now you're actually on the active roster 1291 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: because you know you've shown that consistency. So what is 1292 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: that like for you? I can't imagine being in the 1293 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: league for four years and waiting this long to have 1294 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,479 Speaker 1: that opportunity. But does it feel any different? I mean, 1295 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the only thing I can compare to is like when 1296 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: I had an internship and I finally got a full 1297 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 1: time job at a company, and it felt like I 1298 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,400 Speaker 1: felt like when I walked in the door, things were 1299 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,560 Speaker 1: just a little bit different, even though it really wasn't. 1300 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: But can you describe what the feelings like for you now, 1301 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: just being on the active roster, I think, I mean, 1302 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that's probably a good analogy internship to a 1303 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 1: full job offer that. Yeah, i'd say, I'd say it's 1304 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: a little bit different, as in, you know, you have 1305 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,520 Speaker 1: that trust, you have a little bit of you know, 1306 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,320 Speaker 1: you kind of know that you're going to be here 1307 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: for a little bit instead of you know, being on 1308 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: the practice squad. It's kind of like a week to 1309 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: week thing. But yeah, signing to the active roster or 1310 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the big thing for me because I haven't I haven't 1311 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: signed to an active roster since my first year, you know, 1312 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: three years ago, So that was a cool moment for 1313 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,680 Speaker 1: me and my family and you know, just just the 1314 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,200 Speaker 1: culmination of a lot of hard work and perseverance and 1315 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,639 Speaker 1: you know, just staying with it. Well, we've been really 1316 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 1: excited to watch your journey from practice squad to active roster, 1317 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,840 Speaker 1: to your first active game to your first touchdown. So 1318 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of season left. What how do 1319 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,040 Speaker 1: you hope to build on what you've started so far 1320 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,639 Speaker 1: and get even better now for the future. Yeah, well, 1321 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just want to continue to 1322 01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: have that trust from the coaching staff, from the front 1323 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: office from you know, anything that happens in the offseason. 1324 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:01,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of up in the air right now. 1325 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,559 Speaker 1: Nobody really knows what's going on. So I just want 1326 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: to put good stuff on film, you know, so I 1327 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 1: can go out there and I'm not just a flash 1328 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,400 Speaker 1: in the pan. You know, three weeks, good games and 1329 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,040 Speaker 1: that's it. You know. I want to show that I 1330 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,799 Speaker 1: can be consistent and continue to do what I've shown 1331 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,800 Speaker 1: that I can do and that I know I can do, 1332 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 1: so that I have that consistency that this league really 1333 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: is looking for. All Right, we can't wait to see it. 1334 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,679 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time, a pleasure speaking 1335 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: with you. Chad Hanson on The Deep Slant presented by Explinity. 1336 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Chad, Yeah, thanks for having me. Deep 1337 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,040 Speaker 1: City It Chad Hanson here on Texans Radio special Christmas 1338 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: Eve edition of Texans All Access. Okay, coming up, Jamie 1339 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,760 Speaker 1: Roots has a book out, you know about this, The 1340 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,839 Speaker 1: Winning game Plan, really about the business side of sports. 1341 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: He digs deep into his life. I'm narrating it right now. 1342 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: I'll intro it next segment and you can still pick 1343 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: it up today. You need to get a last second 1344 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,120 Speaker 1: gift for somebody. You can digitally give them the book 1345 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,160 Speaker 1: through Amazon. Very cool stuff. So Jamie Roots, we've visited 1346 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,680 Speaker 1: with him a while back. You're gonna hear that next. 1347 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 1: Among other things. Before the close of business tonight on 1348 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:13,160 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve on Texans All Excess, Lexus Lexus Texans All Access, 1349 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,759 Speaker 1: let's gear up with some Papa John's picks for six dollars. 1350 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,599 Speaker 1: That's right, a variety of items for only six dollars each. 1351 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,360 Speaker 1: The vander kids are gonna love this. Meatballs, chicken poppers, 1352 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,759 Speaker 1: garlic knots, breadsticks, whatever you want, six dollars each. Papa 1353 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,439 Speaker 1: John's no contact delivery available. Papa John's Houston, Houston, old 1354 01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,479 Speaker 1: and operated for twenty five years. Order online at Papa 1355 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:41,599 Speaker 1: Johns dot com or on the app. It's Texans Radio, 1356 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 1: Mark Vandamer with you on a Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas everyone, 1357 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: and again a shout out to everyone working tonight on 1358 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,679 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. And we appreciate everything you're doing for whoever 1359 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: you're doing it for this evening. Okay, Jamie Roots, He's 1360 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,080 Speaker 1: written the book, The Winning game Plan, and it's really 1361 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,840 Speaker 1: strategic business stuff, the business side of sports. Great stories 1362 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: about the origins of the Texans and current goings on 1363 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans. It's on Amazon, and look, you're 1364 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,840 Speaker 1: looking for a last minute gift tonight digitally give this 1365 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,759 Speaker 1: to somebody. You can email them a link to the book. 1366 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,759 Speaker 1: And it's so good. I mean, this is a great 1367 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,599 Speaker 1: way to give somebody a last second gift. So check 1368 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: it out on Amazon. Jamie Roots to Winning Game Plan Now. 1369 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: I caught up with him a while back to talk 1370 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,960 Speaker 1: about the book, get into his life a little bit. 1371 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,960 Speaker 1: We really had a good conversation. Let's listen. In joining 1372 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: us right now is the president of the Houston Texans, 1373 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,679 Speaker 1: Jamie roots At a new book authored by you, Jamie 1374 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: called The Winning Game Plan. Welcome and congratulations on the book. 1375 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that. I know you're an 1376 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,759 Speaker 1: author as well, and you've got one coming out well 1377 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,679 Speaker 1: soon enough, soon enough, But we're here to talk about yours. 1378 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: And look, I love this idea because there's so much 1379 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 1: that goes on within the organization operating the organization that 1380 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: so many people never see and never know about, but 1381 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,120 Speaker 1: they feel the results, if you will, when they go 1382 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: to a Texans game. Why write the book? Tell us 1383 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,880 Speaker 1: the reasoning well, I really wanted to share the fundamental 1384 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,840 Speaker 1: principles that have been so effective for us as an 1385 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,240 Speaker 1: organization and actually dating back to running the Columbus Crew 1386 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,840 Speaker 1: in Major League Soccer, and in hopes that it can 1387 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: help folks in their leadership journey. None of it's really revolutionary, 1388 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:40,720 Speaker 1: it's fairly fundamental. But I've spent a lot of time studying, reading, listening, interviewing, 1389 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 1: talking to leaders and wanted to put that in one 1390 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 1: place so that hopefully it can help folks to be 1391 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 1: better leaders because we all need we all need better 1392 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: leaders in society. Well, speaking of leadership, you've had to 1393 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,920 Speaker 1: be at your very best in this last year, the 1394 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,679 Speaker 1: last nine months or so. Every year is a challenge 1395 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,320 Speaker 1: in every business, professional sports included. But this year with 1396 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,160 Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic, how has it been different? Take us 1397 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,040 Speaker 1: through a little bit of that journey operating the business 1398 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 1: successfully through everything we've been experiencing. Well, I'll tell you 1399 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,960 Speaker 1: just the I mean, there's some things that I've had 1400 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 1: to do to transition our organization, to get us refocused 1401 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,719 Speaker 1: on a revised set of priorities really, but the most 1402 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: important thing has been the people that we have within 1403 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,160 Speaker 1: our organization, the talent within the Houston Texans, the culture 1404 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: that we have that is so resilient, and our focus 1405 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:49,400 Speaker 1: on our purpose of winning championships, creating memorable experiences, and 1406 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: doing great things for Houston. The other thing that is 1407 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: really important is the relationships that we've built over a 1408 01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,240 Speaker 1: long period of time, and our ability to preserve of 1409 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: those through this situation has been absolutely critical. That's been 1410 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,280 Speaker 1: our focus. There are two things when I talk about 1411 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,080 Speaker 1: the machine of the Houston Texans, there are two things 1412 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that are so critically important. The people that work within 1413 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,759 Speaker 1: our organization and the relationships that we have within our community. 1414 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 1: That's the machine, and so we've worked very hard this 1415 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 1: year to protect the machine. How has operating through other 1416 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: adverse situations in the history of the Texans, numerous hurricanes, 1417 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,280 Speaker 1: other instances, How has that helped you? Now? What are 1418 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,760 Speaker 1: some of the things you've learned along the way that 1419 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,040 Speaker 1: maybe can benefit everybody? Yeah, Well, anytime you're facing adversity, 1420 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,839 Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that are really important, 1421 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 1: and I talk about it in the book. Number one 1422 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 1: is you got to you have to push back. You 1423 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: have to say I am not giving in to this challenge. 1424 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,320 Speaker 1: Number Two is you have to be positively focused. And 1425 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: you've heard that phrase a lot. Really embrace the positive 1426 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,760 Speaker 1: within the situation that you're in and focus on the 1427 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,760 Speaker 1: things that you can control. If you can't control, and 1428 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,120 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, just focus on what you can control. 1429 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Number three is to believe. You know, we can't overcome this. 1430 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Walt Disney was was was positioned as a U when 1431 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,400 Speaker 1: he while he was interviewing for a job at a 1432 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,880 Speaker 1: newspaper and they did not get the job because he 1433 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,960 Speaker 1: had no original ideas. But he believed in himself and 1434 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 1: he kept going and it was really I mean, that's 1435 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,240 Speaker 1: that's what you have to do. And then number three, 1436 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,120 Speaker 1: number four is just persevere. You know, you just have 1437 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,800 Speaker 1: to keep going. The uh the difference between winning and 1438 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,639 Speaker 1: losing is so often you know how long you give 1439 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,719 Speaker 1: it before you give up and just so just keep going. 1440 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,360 Speaker 1: And these are all basic things, but these are things 1441 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 1: that we've learned through the adversity that we've faced as 1442 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 1: an organization. Unfortunately, this has been about seven months. Her 1443 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 1: came that lasted seven months, and so we've had to 1444 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,280 Speaker 1: really be very disciplined in our application of those uh 1445 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:14,519 Speaker 1: those adversity plays well, and we're still kind of in 1446 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,800 Speaker 1: the storm right now, so let's hope it ends soon. 1447 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,400 Speaker 1: Jamie Roots joining us, author of The Winning game Plan. 1448 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,879 Speaker 1: All right, those of us who know you know your story, 1449 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,360 Speaker 1: and it's so interesting. How much of this do you share? 1450 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,000 Speaker 1: And go ahead and share some of it right now? 1451 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,439 Speaker 1: Why did you decide and how did you decide to 1452 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:39,519 Speaker 1: work in sports? Yeah? Well, um, I will share. I'll 1453 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,280 Speaker 1: share a little bit. I share a little bit in 1454 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,479 Speaker 1: the book, but more importantly, I really wanted to make 1455 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 1: sure that the ideas that can be effective for people 1456 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,639 Speaker 1: or what is down on paper, right, So there's there's 1457 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,000 Speaker 1: not a ton of it. I decided to work in 1458 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:58,639 Speaker 1: sports because athletic competition has been so central to my life. 1459 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean, from the time that I would as a 1460 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,519 Speaker 1: kid through college. I left and I worked in a 1461 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,640 Speaker 1: traditional business. I really tried. I promise to be in 1462 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,719 Speaker 1: a traditional business. I was at IBM for several years. 1463 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,479 Speaker 1: It didn't didn't really take. I was at Procter and 1464 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 1: Gamble didn't really inspire me. And so um, and it's 1465 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: not that those are not great organizations. They're great companies, 1466 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,360 Speaker 1: both of them leading in their industries. Right, But I 1467 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:33,840 Speaker 1: really I just there's something about athletic competition, the drama, 1468 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:40,240 Speaker 1: and you and I align on this, the drama, the 1469 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: the excitement, the energy, the even if you lose, it's 1470 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,760 Speaker 1: better than being in the middle, even if you you know, 1471 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,120 Speaker 1: even if you're at the depths of your sorrow, it's 1472 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,120 Speaker 1: better than just being monotone day after day. And so 1473 01:17:55,320 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: that's just something that was important to me. And while 1474 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: my approach to running the Houston Texans has always been 1475 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:11,840 Speaker 1: very much you know, Wall Street Journal Best Practice business application, 1476 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it in a traditional business. It had 1477 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,040 Speaker 1: to be something that gave me that level of energy 1478 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,240 Speaker 1: and passion and excitement. Well, those of us in the 1479 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,960 Speaker 1: building know that you shape the entire business out of 1480 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,679 Speaker 1: the operation like a team, like a gigantic team. And 1481 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,519 Speaker 1: you were on such a successful team, multiple teams in 1482 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,320 Speaker 1: soccer at Clemson, winning two national championships. I know you're 1483 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 1: very humble about it. If it were me, i'd wear 1484 01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,240 Speaker 1: a hat that said that, I'd walk around every day 1485 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,720 Speaker 1: like that. But tell us what you learned from there. 1486 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 1: I know it's got to be a lot of things, 1487 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,559 Speaker 1: but a couple of central ideas that you learned playing 1488 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,880 Speaker 1: on championship teams that apply to what you're doing today 1489 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and what everybody can use out there. Yeah. So it 1490 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,080 Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty seven and I was on a bus 1491 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 1: riding to the to the national championship game, and I 1492 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,679 Speaker 1: was with my best friend, Paul Rutennis, and Paul said 1493 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,280 Speaker 1: to me, Jamie, we have to play the game anyway, 1494 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: we might as well win it. And at that moment 1495 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,200 Speaker 1: it really struck me. And we did and we won it, 1496 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,800 Speaker 1: and we won. We were champions. But I thought about 1497 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: it and I was like, you know what we had 1498 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 1: overcome being the last team selected in the NCUBAA tournament. 1499 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,880 Speaker 1: We had to go on the road to Evansville, to 1500 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,439 Speaker 1: Indiana that had never lost in the playoffs at home, 1501 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,040 Speaker 1: had to go to Rutgers with Lexi Lalas and then 1502 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,040 Speaker 1: and then we're playing in the championship game after beating 1503 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina who had beaten us for zero during the season. 1504 01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,200 Speaker 1: If we don't win this game, we walk away with nothing. 1505 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:57,040 Speaker 1: You have to commit to winning that. It's an attitude. 1506 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,719 Speaker 1: It's not I mean, yeah, you can't win every time, 1507 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,800 Speaker 1: but every time you step on the field, every time 1508 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,479 Speaker 1: you go into the boardroom, every time you have a 1509 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: negotiation play to win. Whatever that outcome is that you're 1510 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: looking for, commit to it. You may not get it. 1511 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,439 Speaker 1: But if you don't commit to it, if you're wishing washing, 1512 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 1: if you're not really clear about what you want, you're 1513 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,920 Speaker 1: never going to be successful. Right, So commit to what 1514 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,320 Speaker 1: you want and go make it happen. And that is 1515 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing that came out of the time 1516 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,920 Speaker 1: that I spent a clumps. All Right, you talked about 1517 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,720 Speaker 1: what you learned from your best friend Paul, and that 1518 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,760 Speaker 1: seems to stay with you. And I know you learn 1519 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,559 Speaker 1: from everybody you talk to. But give us a couple 1520 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:46,040 Speaker 1: of key influences in your life, people that you've interacted with, 1521 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,559 Speaker 1: worked with that have been big influences on you and 1522 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the way you operate. Jamie. Yeah, I'll tell you that 1523 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the three most important word Number one. At Indiana University 1524 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,160 Speaker 1: when I was you know, worked with the team and 1525 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,439 Speaker 1: got my MBA Jerry Eagle. That Jerry Eagle was a 1526 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,920 Speaker 1: headman's soccer coach there, and just the way that he 1527 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:11,439 Speaker 1: conducted himself and the way that he organized the program. 1528 01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:16,679 Speaker 1: It isn't about your your environment. You can create something 1529 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: truly world class wherever you are. I mean, it's not 1530 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,920 Speaker 1: like a soccer program at Indiana University was. I mean, 1531 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: it's not changing people's lives. But the way that Gigs 1532 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:33,519 Speaker 1: ran it incredible respect you just I mean you just 1533 01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,880 Speaker 1: had to you had to respect it, you had to 1534 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: revere it. The principles that he used were so effective. 1535 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,920 Speaker 1: And then going to Columbus with the Columbus Crew. Lamar 1536 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,760 Speaker 1: Hunt the guy with the highest integrity, I mean, the 1537 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 1: most humble man maybe I've ever met in my life. 1538 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,639 Speaker 1: I mean, somebody had, you know, as successful as he's 1539 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,080 Speaker 1: been to be that humble was really remarkable. And at 1540 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,840 Speaker 1: his at the service at the end of his life, 1541 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,760 Speaker 1: one of his friends, Jack Steadman, got up and said, 1542 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 1: when God made man, he had Lamar Hunt and mine 1543 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,400 Speaker 1: and there's not a better statement about that man. And 1544 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,960 Speaker 1: then of course Bob McNair, who I have dedicated this 1545 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:25,080 Speaker 1: book too, you know, just he changed my life. He 1546 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,639 Speaker 1: changed the trajectory of my life and my family's life. 1547 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,400 Speaker 1: He taught me so much. In fact, I told someone, 1548 01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,280 Speaker 1: actually I told him the last time we've visited before 1549 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:45,799 Speaker 1: he passed away, that the Bible, the Bible and church 1550 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: is all about providing you a guide to live. Okay, 1551 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,799 Speaker 1: you want to live a christ Like life, and nobody 1552 01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,200 Speaker 1: can ever live to that standard. But nobody's ever embraced 1553 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:02,599 Speaker 1: that more or been more effective at it than Bob McNair, 1554 01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,240 Speaker 1: a remarkable man. No question about it's so missed. Okay. 1555 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve edition of Texans All Access continues more with 1556 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,439 Speaker 1: Jamie Roots coming up after the break. Let's get into 1557 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,559 Speaker 1: some personal advice. How about that we can all use 1558 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:30,040 Speaker 1: some merry Christmas. Texans Radio. Christmas Eve edition of Texans 1559 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,640 Speaker 1: All Access continues and our conversation with Jamie Roots that 1560 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,360 Speaker 1: we actually had a while back about his book, The 1561 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,559 Speaker 1: Winning Game Plan, but about so much more than the book. 1562 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,200 Speaker 1: It's about the Houston Texans. It's really stuff in the book. Okay, 1563 01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:42,559 Speaker 1: but that's why you got to go out and get 1564 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,240 Speaker 1: the book out Amazon. Great last minute gift idea. Just 1565 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 1: buy it on Amazon. You can send the link to anybody. Okay, 1566 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,320 Speaker 1: they have ways you can do this. Just trust me 1567 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,320 Speaker 1: to go to their website, which I think gets a 1568 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,680 Speaker 1: little bit of traffic this time of year. Anyway, back 1569 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,599 Speaker 1: to our conversation with Jamie, and this is a great 1570 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:04,640 Speaker 1: question about professional football and what do people not understand 1571 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,920 Speaker 1: about running a football franchise. We see the players, and 1572 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,160 Speaker 1: we talk about coach and GM and everything and everything 1573 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 1: the Texans are going through right now. But what do 1574 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,639 Speaker 1: folks not understand about the inner workings of running a 1575 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 1: football franchise. Yeah. I think most importantly that I love football. 1576 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,320 Speaker 1: I watched football on Saturday, Sunday, Monday. If they go 1577 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,880 Speaker 1: showed on Tuesday, I'm going to watch it too. But 1578 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,880 Speaker 1: very little of our success has to do with what 1579 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:39,679 Speaker 1: you see on the football field. Our success is driven 1580 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,799 Speaker 1: by our ability to create an environment for our fans 1581 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:50,400 Speaker 1: that is unavailable anywhere else. That the ability to bring 1582 01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,559 Speaker 1: people together to share their company, to provide a level 1583 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,439 Speaker 1: of energy and excitement. And then you have to be 1584 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 1: committed to winning. What it isn't about winning, it's about 1585 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,280 Speaker 1: it's about the community looking at this franchise and seeing 1586 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,880 Speaker 1: themselves in us. And if we can do that well, 1587 01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:16,439 Speaker 1: we can withstand whatever happens on the football field. Now, 1588 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,400 Speaker 1: if you go, oh in sixteen for ten years, people 1589 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,680 Speaker 1: are probably going to check out. But that then what 1590 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: kicks in there is our commitment to winning. If you're 1591 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,360 Speaker 1: committed to winning, you're probably not going to go in 1592 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,599 Speaker 1: and sixteen, right you're going to take the corrective actions 1593 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,519 Speaker 1: to get yourself in a better place. But it isn't 1594 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,479 Speaker 1: all about that. I've heard people say if we win, 1595 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,720 Speaker 1: everything will take care of itself. That's not true. That's 1596 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:45,360 Speaker 1: not true. Which is true is be an organization that 1597 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: the community can see themselves in and do great things 1598 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: for your community. If we do those two things really well, 1599 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,639 Speaker 1: will be successful. Well, and you need to write people 1600 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,760 Speaker 1: on your roster. So give us a couple a tidbits 1601 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,599 Speaker 1: on the hiring philosophy of you and the Houston Texans. 1602 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:09,120 Speaker 1: How you operate. Yeah, well, um, nothing that we do. 1603 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not we're not NASA. Okay, we're right, 1604 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,880 Speaker 1: We're we're not the Uh you know CDC. We don't 1605 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,640 Speaker 1: need rocket science science, right, So what we need is 1606 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:25,480 Speaker 1: people that that have three things. The fundamental non negotiables. 1607 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,400 Speaker 1: People with a great work ethic because unfortunately, to do 1608 01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 1: what we do, it takes a lot of time. Okay, 1609 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,920 Speaker 1: you have to be committed to it. Number two is 1610 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:43,600 Speaker 1: a winning attitude, positive, optimistic, team oriented. You got to 1611 01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,679 Speaker 1: like people. You have to be one of those type 1612 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,719 Speaker 1: of people to be successful with Houston Texans. The number 1613 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,960 Speaker 1: three is you have to be interested in operating in 1614 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,040 Speaker 1: a manner consistent with our values. Be innovative, be memorable, 1615 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,559 Speaker 1: be passionate, be accountable, be courageous, be a team player. 1616 01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,519 Speaker 1: And if you have those three things, you can be 1617 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,880 Speaker 1: successful at the Houston Texans. As I think back at 1618 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 1: all the people that we have had to part ways with, 1619 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Rarely does it have to do with your performance. Almost 1620 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:25,800 Speaker 1: always it has to do with attitude, work ethic, values alignment. 1621 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,680 Speaker 1: That's great stuff, and it sounds like you'll be successful 1622 01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,120 Speaker 1: and pretty much anything if you operate that way, if 1623 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,720 Speaker 1: you conduct it's available. Let me tell you, attitude and 1624 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:41,240 Speaker 1: work ethic is available to everyone. You just have to 1625 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:47,040 Speaker 1: choose to do it. Yeah. Well, it sounds like there's 1626 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot of great stuff in this book and a 1627 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,240 Speaker 1: lot of people are going to benefit from it, and 1628 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,920 Speaker 1: it's exciting. Do you talk about the birth of the 1629 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,559 Speaker 1: franchise and mister McNair and I've read excerpts of the book, 1630 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,160 Speaker 1: but not the entire thing yet. Yeah. One of the 1631 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:06,920 Speaker 1: more emotional stories is when when Bob McNair passed. And 1632 01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,360 Speaker 1: while you know, it does weigh heavy on my heart, 1633 01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,200 Speaker 1: just that that that window of time, it was so 1634 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:20,400 Speaker 1: incredibly gratifying to see the response of our organization to that, 1635 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,640 Speaker 1: to have to put together, you know, in a flash, 1636 01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:29,360 Speaker 1: a remembrance for Bob on Monday Night football, and then 1637 01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:35,400 Speaker 1: to host a celebration of his life at NRG Stadium. 1638 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,760 Speaker 1: Part of me was concerned that we couldn't handle all that, 1639 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,439 Speaker 1: But in the instance when I was asked, you know, 1640 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,840 Speaker 1: can we make that happen? I saw your face, I 1641 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,800 Speaker 1: saw John Schreever, and I saw Disney Harris, and I 1642 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,519 Speaker 1: saw all the people that would have to be a 1643 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,599 Speaker 1: part of that, and everyone shaking their head. I got it. 1644 01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:05,600 Speaker 1: We got this, and it just was another another reminder 1645 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of the whatever it takes attitude that exists within our building, 1646 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,320 Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen overnight, you know. I mean you 1647 01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,000 Speaker 1: talked about handling adversity. Once you hit adversity, if you 1648 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,680 Speaker 1: don't have the right people, if you don't have the 1649 01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,799 Speaker 1: right culture, if they're not all bought in your toast, 1650 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,320 Speaker 1: you are not going to be able to handle what comes. 1651 01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,720 Speaker 1: And fortunately for us, we have such incredibly talented and 1652 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,400 Speaker 1: committed people that understand what we're trying to get accomplished 1653 01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,560 Speaker 1: and they buy in that whatever comes. I'm not concerned. 1654 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,840 Speaker 1: We're going to be able to handle it. Jamie, thanks 1655 01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,599 Speaker 1: a lot for being with us. Thank you, Mark, good 1656 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,160 Speaker 1: to see you, buddy. All right, that's going to do 1657 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,400 Speaker 1: it for the show. Jamie Roots, author of the winning 1658 01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,880 Speaker 1: game plan. Hey, why don't think? John Harris and John McLain, 1659 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,160 Speaker 1: who have been on the show tonight, Dpcity and Drew 1660 01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Doherty for their contributions with Kahale wearing a Chad Hanson. 1661 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: It's been so much fun and we wish you our 1662 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:58,360 Speaker 1: fans are listeners, the very best Christmas ever, the very 1663 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,880 Speaker 1: best holiday season possible. We love you, we appreciate you, 1664 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:07,200 Speaker 1: have a great night, and go Texans. Welcome to Texans 1665 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,840 Speaker 1: All Access. 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