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Speaker 1: Welcome back for hour two of our ongoing coverage here

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Speaker 1: live from Steelers' training camp at Saint Fncent College. The

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Speaker 1: practice session number seven is, like I said, they got

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Speaker 1: this seven on seven or nine on seven, I should say,

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Speaker 1: on this side, and then we got the one on

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Speaker 1: ones over the other side, although the one on ones

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Speaker 1: aren't quite as as spirited spirits as they were the

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Speaker 1: last two days when they actually had pads on. No

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Speaker 1: question is when this one is over, then they'll run

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Speaker 1: a couple of two minutes drules here and practice session

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Speaker 1: number seven will be in the books. I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: see the hurry up offense on the field here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that'll be spirited, yeah, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: And then these guys get a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: mini break because they don't practice until tomorrow night. So

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Speaker 2: you and I will be on the air from three

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Speaker 2: to six here, but there'll be a big empty field

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Speaker 2: in front of us whole time.

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Speaker 1: They empty field. They'll be more like regular or off

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Speaker 1: season for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right right, So frankly, if you use anything, guys

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Speaker 2: who wanted to talk about shoes, a tweet or any ideas, we're.

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Speaker 1: Up for Yeah, we'll talk about anything. We'll do some

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Speaker 1: of that with Tomorrow we should be into our fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: We have our last fantasy football draft today. We'll draft

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Speaker 1: from the seventh spot and that will be our last

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Speaker 1: Snake draft PPR straight redraft. Tomorrow, maybe we'll do a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the super flex. May'll be fine, they'll

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Speaker 1: be fine. Yeah, I talk about some strategies for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a way different way of looking at things.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to build all my ranks to and tweaking

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Speaker 2: them every day too. So it's getting to be fantasy season.

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Speaker 1: It really is. In fact, a lot of teams are,

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Speaker 1: a lot of leagues getting ready to draft here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'll have the Hall of Fame game tonight. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so actually we'll see football. Yeah, we're starting well for

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Speaker 1: what it's.

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Speaker 2: Worth, it's worth, but I mean I kind of want

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Speaker 2: to see there's the quarterback to the Browns drafted out

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Speaker 2: of U C.

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Speaker 1: L A. Thompson, Thompson something Thompson.

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Speaker 2: I forget Thomson, Ron Robinson, right, maybe Zach Wilson plays,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, there'll be a couple of brand

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Speaker 2: name guys for a little Rogers might go to a cave,

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Speaker 2: right if we made the trip. Yeah, probably we'll.

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Speaker 1: See, but yeah, I assume hard knocks kicks off here

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Speaker 1: at some point soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw a commercial for last night, I want

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Speaker 2: to say, like on the seventh or eighth ing like that,

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Speaker 2: after the Hall.

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Speaker 1: Of Fame game. That's usually a kickoff for that. So

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Speaker 1: that's coming up, and yeah, we're getting into it now.

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Speaker 1: In fact, a week from today, I'll be flying to Tampa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that. So it might be pretty warm.

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Speaker 1: Might not want to wear long pants or a jacket

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Speaker 1: right down there. It could be a little warm.

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Speaker 2: So we got a notice skeleton drill here going on,

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Speaker 2: as we have for much of camp, and get trubisky

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Speaker 2: with I would call these maybe the threes on a

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Speaker 2: normal day.

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Speaker 1: On a normal day, there's Yeah, there's some.

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Speaker 2: Guys that like you know, McFarlane and Warren and Butler and.

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Speaker 1: Go right through his hands. That's not a good stroke.

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Speaker 1: You can't miss those ones with no tackling going on

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Speaker 1: out there that you can't go through your hands.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if he makes a team or not,

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Speaker 2: but he's another middle of the field option guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that that play call with him, you know,

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Speaker 2: in breaking route coming out of the slot. Big body,

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Speaker 2: like you said, is what they were like in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I would approach tackling a guy

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Speaker 1: like that over the middle when he's got a full

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Speaker 1: head of steeds. Yeah right, right, right, he's punishing. I

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Speaker 2: I really liked him coming out of Iowa State. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't put it together, but he was really good

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Speaker 2: in his legs.

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Speaker 1: Legs are like trees. Yeah, yeah, I mean, just a big,

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Speaker 1: big dude. And they moved him all over too. He's

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Speaker 1: outside the numbers. Now, Yeah, Trubisky looked that way, goes

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Speaker 1: that might have been the only place to Tribisky could

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Speaker 1: double coverage on that one.

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Speaker 2: I think that was on purpose. But big six to

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Speaker 2: seven guy going down, going to go down to get

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Day number seven and uh again not in pads,

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Speaker 1: So you know, Mike Tomlin giving the players they'll be

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Speaker 1: back in pads tomorrow night no.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night it's always a physical one night will be

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Speaker 2: they'll be.

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Speaker 1: Back on backers, there'll be all that's all that good

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Speaker 1: stuff that goes on. I'm excited because we won't be

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Speaker 1: doing radio. I'll actually be able to be on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines for backs on bank.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which it can be a little tough doing both

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Speaker 1: I enjoy seeing the view from up here. We can

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Speaker 1: see the field very well. What we missed down on

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Speaker 1: the field is the interaction. And we don't hear any

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Speaker 1: noise whatsoever up here. Yeah, you definitely hear the coaches.

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Speaker 1: I assume it'll be the same this year, but we

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Speaker 1: can get right next to them, you know. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: work my way in there, and you know, I'll I

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Speaker 1: want to be able to hear what Mike Tomlin's saying

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Speaker 1: the guys. What you know, what the defensive line coaches

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Speaker 1: in that situation, what are they telling these guys and

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Speaker 1: those you know in the matchups?

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Speaker 2: And why they you know, why they picking the matchups

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Speaker 2: they are and you you know that Tomlin sometimes will

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Speaker 2: yell out, you know twenty six verse, you know.

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Speaker 1: Forty four or whatever. You won't see that one again.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, run a back all right, you just you know,

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Speaker 1: if a young guy does well, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: step up and step you up in class here, guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly that kind of stuff. All right,

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Speaker 2: there's the guy like Washington. You know, they might test

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the offensive line working its way onto the field here,

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Speaker 1: it looks like we're gonna go from the where they're

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Speaker 1: placing the ball at here. Can't see the clock. That's

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Speaker 1: the only problem here as well. The clock is facing

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Speaker 1: the field, so we can't see it. It's typically a

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Speaker 1: minute thirty eight seconds. Oh really, they always get the

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Speaker 1: Tom will tell them whether they need a field goal

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Speaker 1: or a touchdown. Usually in these situations, suation they're going

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we need a touchdown to win. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: get one timeout and a minute thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're starting at their own thirty five, so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and we're gonna get Generally we'll do a whole

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Speaker 2: series of one versus one series.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you score in the first play, that's it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's an interception on the first play, that's it. You're done.

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Speaker 1: Or if you get one shot at this, get shot

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Speaker 1: shot down on fourth down or right, And Mike Tomans

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Speaker 1: pretty smart about this. He'll put something on the line here.

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Speaker 1: Like last year, the group that won these situational type things,

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Speaker 1: whether it be the offense or the defense, they got

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Speaker 1: a special dinner that night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got like state lobster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Yeah, So Kenny Pickt in the backfield

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Speaker 1: of course, bragging. Right. Yeah, he's got Warren to his left,

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Speaker 1: got trips down here to the right, with friar Muth

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Speaker 1: at No, it's gonna Chefsky out to the forty picks

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Speaker 1: about five yards. Yeah, and of course they're gonna whistle

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Speaker 1: eight to eighty nine. The defense is happy with that. Again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: clock's running second and five and the fox still running. Sure,

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Speaker 1: at some point here you get to try to get

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Speaker 1: a chunk. Yeah, look like a false start by Chukes.

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Speaker 1: That'll lose that five yards.

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Speaker 2: I assume they'll back them up and treat it like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we think so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll false start there and then that's a killer. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: It does stop the clock in that situation, so it's

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Speaker 1: almost like an incompletion on first down, but now here

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Speaker 1: second and ten right, which is where you'd be on yeah, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought same thing. It did lose some additional time

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Speaker 1: there because of the false start. Okay, so we're looking here,

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Speaker 1: all right. We got Warren now to pickets right in

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Speaker 1: the backfield. We got trips to the left, singled up

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Speaker 1: down here in the bottom. Cody White scans it, steps

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Speaker 1: up in the pocket. Now Pickett gonna run. He gets

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Speaker 2: And there's gonna spot at where it would have been

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Speaker 2: first contact. Right, Obviously, I'm not gonna crush Kenny. Hustle

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Speaker 2: Line gives it.

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Speaker 1: So now we're at third and short here and Pocket

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Speaker 1: holds up Picket dumps it off the Jalen Warren over

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Speaker 1: the middle for a first down to the forty nine.

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Speaker 1: They're calling that.

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Speaker 2: Defense isn't giving him anything outside the numbers right now,

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Speaker 2: do a nice job taking that stuff away. This is

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Speaker 2: one of the instances we you don't want to work

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Speaker 2: in the Milllefield. Now he's gonna go, oh, nice play.

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Speaker 2: That was almost that almost got in there though too.

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Speaker 1: I know right it was a who's breaking on the

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Speaker 1: ball there? That that was twenty one. That was Norwood.

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Speaker 1: Norwid said a couple of things. He showed up in

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Speaker 1: seven shots too. That's one of the things, you know.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Grady Brown today earlier today. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys will hear that some point. Yeah, we'll play

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Speaker 1: that back tomorrow. But I talked to him about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the not having Fitzpatrick and KZ available. That's you look

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Speaker 1: at the two safeties out there right now, it's it's

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Speaker 1: Kenny Robinson and Tray Norwood. They're getting an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: really get a lot of snaps here that you know,

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Speaker 1: could prove invaluable down the line.

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Speaker 2: No one's benefited more from those two safety situations than

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Speaker 2: Kenny Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt not. It wasn't on anybody's right,

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Speaker 1: but he's been showing up. Oh picked off. That is

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Speaker 1: a pick by Joey Porter Junior.

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Speaker 2: Nice play, laid out for it on a sideline route. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: stretched those long.

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Speaker 1: Arms and right uh, Pikett had stepped up in the

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Speaker 1: pocket and could have scrambled a little bit there, but

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Speaker 1: he tried to throw the out to his right and

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Speaker 1: Porter came up and picked it off. Yeah, that big

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Speaker 1: long reach. Yeah, ending that that was one thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the knocks on Porter coming into this was that,

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Speaker 1: Oh he only had the one career interception. He's shown

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Speaker 1: already in this game. He's got pretty good hands.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's got pretty good hands. Yeah, And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we talked about this during draft time, but I forget

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Speaker 2: which game of the year, and I could find the information,

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Speaker 1: Right now, and with Corey Ice getting hurt, James Pear's

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Speaker 2: all the routes were and they did Hayward again over

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's showing up again, Rodney Williams. It's the thirty

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Speaker 2: that question. All four routes were passes sticks. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: the Lway thing is sometimes there's just a quarterback mindset

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a big target going down the field.

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Speaker 2: I say that's a really encouraging end of practice. Practice

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and there were two defensive backs there after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would not be a pleasant decision to make there,

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Speaker 2: every camp does that. About all thirty two teams do

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Speaker 1: Interesting to note, Matt that the first possession was ended

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Speaker 2: No, then I frankly Broder Jones could have been a

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Speaker 2: Rightough's not sure what he how he contributed, but those

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a great way to the situation. Yeah, a

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Speaker 2: It's almost like playing on a Thursday night and you

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Speaker 1: It is a little mini buy.

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Speaker 2: And maybe their meetings are an hour later or something,

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Speaker 1: We are live from Steelers training camp practices here at

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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent College. The Steelers just wrapped up training camp

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Speaker 1: practice number seven with a little two minute action there

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and this is to drive on Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 1: seventy are ongoing coverage live from Steelers training camp here

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Speaker 1: at Saint Vincent College, where the team just wrapped up

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Speaker 1: practice number seven with a nice little two minute offense

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the other day. I can't remember many Pickett

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Speaker 1: That was a legit interception. That was the lowest, really

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Speaker 1: did you bait him into that? Because he wasn't there

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Speaker 2: It laid out with those long arms, made the hands

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Then Mitch Trubisky getting his chance and after kind

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Speaker 2: Heyward battles than anyone in this team since Campo.

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Speaker 1: twenty as the clock was running down, Uh, he hits

437
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 1: him down the seam with a head of steam and

438
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 1: forget about it.

439
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then game winner that way as well. And

440
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 2: you know from the offense. So great seeing two rookies

441
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: really show up with big plays.

442
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought Trubisky looked good in the drive too. Yeah.

443
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 2: I mean you look like a veteran out there with

444
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: guys he hasn't played a ton with, you know, the

445
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 2: backups basically across the board. And I'm not nitpicking who knows.

446
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's there's a lot of camp left. But

447
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 2: I'd like to see Washington gets some more throws his way. Yeah,

448
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 2: and maybe in the preseason as well.

449
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 1: I will note that you know Pickett was doing it.

450
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: There's no Deontay Johnson out there. Sure, sure, I mean

451
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a big one that you looked up.

452
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: Nag Harris is not out there, not that he might

453
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 1: not be in that situation because you're gonna play Jayleen

454
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: Moore in there. Robinson wasn't out there, you know. Yeah, No,

455
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson. So you're really running with your you know,

456
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: Pickens is out there. I thought Pickens was out there.

457
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't target him at all, But Heyward

458
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: got some run. Yeah, but it's just not the it's

459
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: not the front line guys. But there might be there

460
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: might be times in the season. You know, I think

461
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: back to that game in Cleveland a few years ago

462
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: where you know, there Mayson Rudolph's out there in that

463
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: game playing with guys they brought up off the practice. Yeah.

464
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not like you just met him. I mean,

465
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 2: Genny's played these guys playing. That's an excuse, you know.

466
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I don't know that I blame Pickett

467
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: heavily for the interception. I mean maybe if he had

468
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 2: Brett Farre's arm strength that gets there a pulse quicker,

469
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 2: who knows. But it's a tremendous play.

470
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: By the way, I thought I took more out of that.

471
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: That was just an excellent, excellent defensive play in that situation.

472
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: And this freaking classes make a name of themselves. It's

473
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: really kind of it's really I mean, I like to

474
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: begin with it, and it looks more and more like

475
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: they're going to have some contributors out of this group,

476
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 1: maybe more so than most years in Week one, possibly too.

477
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the first two picks

478
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: don't need to earn starting spots. Who knows if they

479
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: will or not, but I think Benton absolutely factors in

480
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 2: from the start. I would imagine Washington will be part

481
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: of the Week one game plan. I mean, I'm really

482
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: looking ahead here, but if not, it won't take long.

483
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: I would imagine, you know, definitely her Big, Yeah, yeah,

484
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: I mean Herbig's going to be addressed and getting his

485
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 2: jersey dirty from the opening kickoff.

486
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: Probably.

487
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we lost Trice so we won't see that. And Anderson,

488
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: who's to say, Yeah, you just don't know how he fits.

489
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: It's a difficult not to crack on that offensive line

490
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: in terms of making the raw for a for a

491
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: late round draft. But they've got so many veterans there. Yeah,

492
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: you've got You've got all these guys who have starting

493
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: experience in the NFL and Roderick Jones. Yeah right, you

494
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: got a first round pick there. It's almost a situation

495
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: much like chrysal Loticon last year, where you know that

496
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: that late round quarterback is you're not going to get

497
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: any you really got to seize your reps.

498
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: And because there's not going to be a ton. But

499
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure Anderson will play a ton in the preseason.

500
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without he'll play more than a loon did Yeah,

501
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: exactly that.

502
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a given games versus an uncommon opponent will

503
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: be you know, where he shines, who knows, We'll see.

504
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: He's still got a lot of the books still far

505
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: from written on all those guys.

506
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm watching one of the little guys out there

507
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: running pass patterns and catching the football. Right, he's actually

508
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: caught a couple. He's not done that big. Yeah, he's

509
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: looks like moms throwing those to him. Here. I can't

510
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: tell who's who that child belongs to him. Let's see

511
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 1: take a look here.

512
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to kick out the little kids running

513
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: around here after practice. Some of them are diddle did nause.

514
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: He's working on some ball scales. One of the coaches

515
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: is firing it at him like five yards away, and

516
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: who was down here? It was boy can work in

517
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: the jugs machine. Also from short distance. This was an

518
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: interesting drill too. It looks like a special teams drill

519
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: here with the white is one of the guys, I'm

520
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: not sure who the other is.

521
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: That they have to get low.

522
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 2: Through the hoop and then they put this football on

523
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: like a pad, you know, it's it's maybe I don't know,

524
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: was that a foot and a half off the ground

525
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: something like that, which is exactly where punters kick the football.

526
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: So these guys are pure special teams. Drill where they're

527
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: getting low as if they're coming to block a punt

528
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: through the hoop, I mean through the gate and get

529
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: off a little bit of a block and then get low.

530
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: And getting low to get that punt is a weird

531
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: body position right right, and they have them. I didn't

532
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: realize that until just now too. And in order to

533
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: get low, they put a towel on the ground and

534
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 2: you keep it on.

535
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: You got to scoop it, you know, which really teaches

536
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: you to get that shoulder down. The Steelers over the

537
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: last decade or so have been as good at pump

538
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: blocks as any team in the league. Yeah, they seem

539
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: to get at least one every year. Yeah.

540
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: Boy, it's goods a long way. I mean, I would

541
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: think that's a very high rate.

542
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: And there's some games that they won up in Buffalo,

543
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: for example, I can remember the one in Cleveland against Cleveland.

544
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: They won those games because they block hick core. Yeah,

545
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: a key special teams play like that. It's huge, absolutely,

546
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: and it doesn't come by accident. You work at it.

547
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: You know. It's something that Danny Smith saw on tape

548
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: that you know, hey, we can exploit this guy, uh

549
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: you know in this I'll coach him in a way

550
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: or you know. Right, So, yeah, it's a big it's

551
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: a big But that's like a turnover. Oh yeah, it

552
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: absolutely is in some ways, especially if they're deep in

553
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: their own end zone and you get that double thump

554
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: and you recover the ball in the end zone like that,

555
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: that's huge, right, that's six seven free points. Yeah, absolutely.

556
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: So I've got some linemen down here doing drills as

557
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: well as always. They've been spending a lot of time

558
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: after practice too.

559
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: They work at it, they will part at it. Yeah.

560
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: I assume that's Austin on the jugs machine because guy's

561
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: jersey off. Just by the looks of his body type,

562
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it is because he's got a helmet on.

563
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that is Austin. No, No, I don't.

564
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I can't maybe it's Bird. I'm seeing

565
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: some of them that is. That's actually a defensive player,

566
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: that is. I think that's killer Brew, is it. Yeah?

567
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: He was just two in the other drill minute ago.

568
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they switched off now I can't tell who the

569
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: new guy is jumping in there. But yeah, just a

570
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of work getting done here is guys,

571
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: get through practice number seven again. A week from today,

572
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll be leaving for Tampa. The Steelers will be leaving

573
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: for Tampa to go down there for their first preseason game.

574
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: So look forward to We're getting into that time in camp,

575
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: the dog days more or less a camp, you know.

576
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I think that's one of another one of the reasons

577
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: about the halfway point. Huh Yeah, I think that's another

578
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: reason why Mike Tomlin kind of went unpadded today after

579
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: two straight days of pads. Okay, let's ease it up

580
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, because we're gonna go back heavy at

581
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: it here over the weekend Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You know.

582
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: Now it's now it's time to start scaling back again

583
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: because there's a game to play at the end of

584
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: the week.

585
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: No, I think that he understands. I mean, you've been

586
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: a coach that long. You understand how to pace your team,

587
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: the pulse of your team, when to peak. You know,

588
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: I think he wants to peak for Friday night lights

589
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: for the fans. Why not make that a highlight type

590
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: of practice two days ago absolutely was first one in

591
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: pads and then of course you want to peak for

592
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: that Tampa game of course.

593
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, make it your best. So today was a

594
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: not a step back.

595
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: It was just kind of a take the foot off

596
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: the accelerator a little you know.

597
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you you ramped that up a little bit

598
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: more by making that two minutes reyalty into practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

599
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: giving those guys, giving the guys something to look forward again,

600
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: that competition stuff that goes on and seven shots every day.

601
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: Not every team does that. You just love that. They

602
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: love those competition periods.

603
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: And that's it's part of the reason this team's competitive

604
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: every year is because they they learn how to compete.

605
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: They're mentally tough, and that's a Tomlin Rooney nol Cower thing,

606
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's just part of what the

607
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: organization is.

608
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you you just professional athletes want to compete,

609
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: like if there's a game of checkers, yeah, these guys

610
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: want to win, like.

611
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you don't care about winning that

612
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: game of checkers, I'm not sure I'm drafted.

613
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, gonna belong. You're not gonna be here very long

614
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: because you're just gonna be you know, if I win,

615
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I go through that. You know, my wife gets mad

616
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: at me, Like if we're playing whatever, I want to win,

617
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: my wife gave up playing board games. Yeah, I mean

618
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: that six months into our relationship. Not that competitive, right, Like,

619
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I just I can't help it. I can't turn that off.

620
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Right, I'm here to win, right to play cards or

621
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: you know anything, right, why would you not monopoly?

622
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: That was that was a straw. The berg broke the back.

623
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: Had all the railroads, and she's hitting the greens on

624
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: hotels and it wasn't.

625
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Beat on that. Yeah, that happens. Yeah, you know, I'm

626
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: here to win. Absolutely. It looks like Mike Tomlin getting

627
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: ready to address the media over across the field there.

628
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: I didn't notice anyone left, But I also didn't notice

629
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: when the owl left yesterday, So don't quote me on

630
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent.

631
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: But hopefully no injuries. Yeah, you wouldn't think that, you know,

632
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: today's practice not quite as physical. Less likely, Yeah, that

633
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: is less likely, and well, guys will get an opportunity,

634
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, to rest up and be ready to go

635
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, Friday Night Lights that'll start at seven o'clock

636
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: over at La Trobea Memorial High School stadium. I haven't looked,

637
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: but is the weather going to keep up? We've been

638
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: there's a mark of rain tomorrow. I think it gets

639
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: more so as the day goes on. So there's always

640
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity that could affect things that won't as we

641
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: saw earlier in training camp here if they if there's rain,

642
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: they're still gonna practice. And lightning is a deal break.

643
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Lightning is the thing that changes it. And if you

644
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: remember other than that that like period and a half. Yeah,

645
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: the weather has been amazing. Last year's Friday Night Lights practice, well,

646
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: rain was an issue. Yeah, yeah, in a big way.

647
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: Heavy just taking a look here at the It's a

648
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: fun event though.

649
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: If you guys are thinking about go and I highly

650
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: recommend it, and try to get near those backs on

651
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: backers and one on one line D line stuff and

652
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Speaker 2: you'll be able to hear the coaches yelling screen.

653
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Speaker 1: Now as close as you can get because you are

654
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you do have to stay back in the stands.

655
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh right, all right, you're not gonna be on the field,

656
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: but try to position yourself that, you know, you can

657
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: get a good view of that stuff.

658
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Why is my weather the weather channel weather app

659
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: here is not finding La trophy. No, that's weird. Let

660
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: me look at this. This is a real place. Let's

661
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: we got belle Vernon On here, so let's let's check

662
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: that out. I got Latrobe here, do you know? Okay,

663
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: give us the weather forecast there forty.

664
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Speaker 2: Chance of rain eight, high of eighty four, low fifty nine.

665
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have been a weather man. What time

666
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: times that rain coming in? It looks like, uh, we're good,

667
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: fIF eighteen percent, it's not too bad. We're good. We're good. Yeah.

668
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: It's really the highest isolated thunderstorms around five o'clock. So

669
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: if a thunderstorm rolls in, that's a thirty three percent chance.

670
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: That's in Belvernon, which isn't far from here. Uh, we have,

671
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe an isolated thunderstorm around maybe around five

672
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: or six. Well that'll do is cool things off a

673
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, yeah, so it would be good, be

674
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: gone more night, And that's a that's a big event.

675
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: They packed the stadium.

676
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: Get there early, try to get a good seat. It's

677
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: gets it gets crowded and it gets routy.

678
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: It absolutely does, and they'll have the fireworks afterwards. Oh right,

679
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I forgot that. They do charge for that one. The

680
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: proceeds go to the Trope I believe, the Latrope High

681
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: School uh sports program. So there is a small fee

682
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: to get in for that one. But again you have

683
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: good food too, and bleachers on both sides. You can

684
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: line the fence and get autographs that kind of stuff.

685
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: It's a little different than this than the situation over

686
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: here at Saint Fencent College, which is great, but that's

687
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: more everything's more confined to one area, which makes it

688
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: a little easier for viewing on.

689
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: The hillside and all that kind of stuff the players

690
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: are always good about.

691
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: By the way, it's cooler because it's nighttime. True.

692
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: True, you know there's gonna be some hot days sitting

693
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: on the hillside here.

694
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like there's a high of like eighty

695
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: five eighty six tomorrow. By the time practice kicks off,

696
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: it's down to about eighty and then by the time

697
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: it's over, you're gonna be around seventy six. So bad

698
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: for your viewing. Yeah, cool, not bad for your viewing,

699
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: So get that. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, for a lot

700
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: of people who can't make it out here during the

701
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: day for these for these two o'clock starts, shot, it's

702
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: a perfect time to go see it at seven o'clock

703
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: at night. You can get there for that. Yeah, that's

704
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: a good point. That's good.

705
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: So if you're considering it, I highly recommend it.

706
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely. We're going to take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

708
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy are live

709
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: ongoing coverage from Steelers training camp here at Saint Vincent

710
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: College in late Trope. We'll be back with more right

711
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: after this. Let's go play some ball. Always talking Black

712
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: and Gold football on SNR. Welcome back. I am Dale Alli.

713
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. This is the Drive on Steelers

714
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy are live ongoing coverage

715
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: from Steelers training camp and Matt. Tonight, we'll have the

716
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Game kickoff in Canton, Ohio, which means

717
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: they'll be having the twenty twenty three Hall of Fame

718
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: class go out on the field and they'll do their

719
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: little hand wave and everything eat weekend the beginning of

720
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: the huge weekend. Yeah, for these guys. These are in

721
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: alphabetic order, Rendez Barber, Don Coriel, Truck Colley, Joe Cleco, Derell, Reevs,

722
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: Ken Riley, Joe Thomas, Zach Thomas, and DeMarcus Where. And

723
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I bring that group up.

724
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: Because it's a decent class. I like the top it.

725
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I'd like Reevs, Young and Thomas to be honest with

726
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: the rest I think are sort of questionable, although I

727
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: have been lobbying for Don Coriel for ten years.

728
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Five hundred record met basically is he Yeah, it's basically

729
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: a five hundred Wow.

730
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he's an innovator. I meant, nobody

731
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: threw the tight end before him, no one did three

732
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: wide before him. I mean, I think that's that's stuck

733
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: the test of time since nineteen seventy eight or whatever.

734
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Record. Really, Yeah, he blows me away a little bit.

735
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: Not great, I know, very little playoff success. Yes, ESPN

736
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: put together a list of Hall of Fame snubs, guys

737
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: who didn't make the cut this year, and I particularly

738
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: bring that up because I look at guys like Rodney

739
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Barber and Zach Thomas, Joe Cleco. Right, come on, man,

740
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I really think that.

741
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: I hate to say it because it's such a really

742
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: cool honor and an awesome deal, but the bar has

743
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: gotten a little low the last couple of years, and

744
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: those guys, to me are about sounds terrible about as

745
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Battle Hall of Famers you can get.

746
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's a list of guys who ESPN things

747
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: got snubbed this year, and I got to agree on

748
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them, Reggie Wayne, So maybe we should

749
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: look at it this way, should they go? Would you

750
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: put these guys over Yes, Barber, Thomas, you know right, Reggie.

751
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Wayne, that's a yes. Cleco when is a he was

752
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: a veteran. Veteran so that's a little different.

753
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: There's some veterans on this list though.

754
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I would put Wayne over both those guys.

755
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Dwight Freenie. Oh wow, I thought he forgot he was up. Yes,

756
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: definitely Wayne and Frenie and both them teammates, but still

757
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: they I thought they were better players than Thomas.

758
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Roger Craig. No, but I think he's up for the

759
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: he's up for the seniors this year.

760
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: So he's fighting in Clecco. Yeah, I would put him

761
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: in before Clecco. Yeah, I mean he was ahead of

762
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: his time too. As a pass catcher. He was caught

763
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: a lot of balls before running bass called passes.

764
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: Devin Hester, I not a big guy on a special

765
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: teams we're special teams guys here in a bit. As

766
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: you can probably guess who I'm going to bring up

767
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: on that one. Who's on this list? Steve Smith?

768
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean would you take Smith or Wayne Wayne?

769
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: I think I would too, but I think both of

770
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: them are more deserving than Barber or Yeah, Thomas.

771
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: Yes, Billy Bates would have been a no the Cowboys safety.

772
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: He would have been a senior Okay, fifteen year career.

773
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I just senior guys a different criteria,

774
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: but they're.

775
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: Big thing here is finished his fifteen year career as

776
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: a Cowboys all time leader in special teams tackles. Wow,

777
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: that's not that's not that, that's not a big deal.

778
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, good for him.

779
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if if he's a Ring of honor dude

780
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: or whatever they call it, yeah, that's exactly what is great. Okay,

781
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: but that's not Hall of Fame worthy just because you

782
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: your team's leading special teams, That right, Leslie O'Neill. No,

783
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: but I mean he's the Hall very good too.

784
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is. He is a disappoint in

785
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: his career. I believe a senior club member like you.

786
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: We brought up three edge guys where who got in?

787
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: Freemy who didn't? And O'Neill. He's a distant third and

788
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: a half seconds. I know it's really productive. Yeah, I know,

789
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: eight seasons with ten plus sacks. There aren't many hundred

790
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: sack guys that aren't in.

791
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

792
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: Al Baker, al Bubba Baker, Al Bubba Baker, he has

793
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: to be a veterans committee.

794
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: That it'll be a veterans committee guy. His unofficial career

795
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: sack count one hundred and thirty one.

796
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: I would say first Cleco. He is a pretty strong case. Yeah, yeah,

797
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: I would I think, I mean they're not all time greats,

798
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: but you know, I.

799
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Think he goes in before Cleco. I would put him

800
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: in before clecoh. Yeah, Tory Holt. Tory Holt was up

801
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: for vote when I voted, so was Reggie Wayne.

802
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: I think I put holdover Wayne or Smith. Yeah, Bruce

803
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: is in and Bruce is in. Yeah, I thought Holt

804
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: was a better player. I think Bruce is a couple

805
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: of years older, but I thought Holt was a better player.

806
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: L C. Greenwood, that'd be a veteran committee Yeah, ight

807
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: be a veteran committee guy. Yeah, I'd put him in

808
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: over Cleco without a doubt. Yeah, I just think you know,

809
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: he was a key member. He's a member of the

810
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: NFL's All Decade Team of the seventies. Oh, Cheeseburger got

811
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: an autograph. There you go.

812
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: There's a dude here wearing eighty nine jersey and last

813
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: name Cheeseburger on the back.

814
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: He got an autograph Burger Cheeseburger, Cheesburger, Cheeseburger. No, Folk,

815
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: Robert mathis not before Freeenie. I mean you talk about

816
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: James Harrison is not on this list. I'm not putting

817
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: mathis in before James Harrison. No.

818
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: And I mean, like, I don't think he should have

819
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: bumped where or I forget who the other edge guy

820
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: we mentioned.

821
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: In fact, I did that for my feet to me. Yeah,

822
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: when this list, for when the Hall of Fame list

823
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: first came out back in the last November, I did

824
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: a little piece for five for Friday on the Steelers

825
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: dot Com. If you look at the five take Freeny's

826
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: best five years, Mathis's best five years and Harrison's best

827
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: five years. Harrison blows both of those. I bet he does.

828
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: I bet his five years beats many many many edge

829
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: guys didn't beat Where, didn't beat Where, but the rest

830
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: of those guys he beat him. It shocked me.

831
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: The war took as long as he did to get

832
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: into It was a couple of years without. And he's tremendous.

833
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Jim Marshall, he's the same as LC. Yeah, another guy

834
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: who was on a remember the Purple People eaters. They've

835
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: got two members in. I believe Page is in.

836
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if another D lineman is

837
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: or not.

838
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Does Carl Eller he might beat it. But Marshall at

839
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty and a half unofficially career sacks.

840
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean they went to four Super Bowls. They

841
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: were the Bills of the seventies. I mean that's that

842
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: was a great team and the defense had a lot

843
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: to do with it. So I think he's right there

844
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: with LC. That's a coin flip for me.

845
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Bills, come on with the Steve task

846
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Come on, Terry talk about he was a seven time

847
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: pro bowler who played in four Super Bowls. He had

848
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: two hundred and four special teams tackles. I don't care.

849
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: So if guys like him aren't on TV, do they

850
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: ever get talked about again? I mean, like, it's ridiculous.

851
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: Peter King beats the drum for that every year. Peter King,

852
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't. But no, no, ask Marv Levy who was

853
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: who was the better player him or.

854
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: Like Cornelius Bennett or Shane Conlin. You know, it's not

855
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: even close. Nobody's beating the drum for those guys.

856
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: No.

857
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Justin Tucker is one of the only ones

858
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: that I will beat the drum to no end on,

859
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: you know, as pure special teamers, and Vinitarry is a

860
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: no to me too.

861
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: Hester's sort of close, but it would have to be

862
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: a really bad year. Carl Mecklenberg, No, one, last thing

863
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: about about Tasker. Here's here's this. He had two hundred

864
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: and four special teams tackles, nine touchdown receptions and seven

865
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: block punts.

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: Come on nine touchdown receptions in his career. I mean

867
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: they weren't because they were on special teams out. There's

868
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: a wide recived nine touchdown catches in his career in

869
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: thirteen years, thirteen years in garbage time. They're letting him

870
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: play offense. Carl Mecklenberg, no good player. Yeah, I put

871
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Zack Thomas in the head to him. And I don't

872
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: play back the Super Bowls. I know, I know, I

873
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: mean I think they lost them. All that was early

874
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: l way years before. Yeah, you know, Shanahan came in

875
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: and all that. I remember I had his football card

876
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: and on the back of his football card it said

877
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: inside linebacker, outside linebacker d end Yeah you know, like

878
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: and they used him that way, and nobody did that

879
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: stuff back then, right, that was a I thought he

880
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: was a really cool player, but I would overlay, I

881
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: would never think of him as a Hall of Famer.

882
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: He had seventy nine career saction, sixteen force fumbles.

883
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: I mean he was a force. He was really good.

884
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, heines work on this list. Now.

885
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: I don't care what airwaves were on. I can't put

886
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: him in over Smith Wayne World.

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: So see, I think here's the problem that the Pro

888
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. So again, the year that I

889
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: voted back in twenty nineteen, there were like five safeties

890
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: on that list.

891
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: Of Sometimes there's log jams, which is a problem.

892
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a logjam at wide receiver, and they

893
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: had the opportunity this year to take care of some

894
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: of that, and none of the wide receivers got in.

895
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: It'd been nice to put hold In over Thomas or

896
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: something one of those just one, yeah, or Barber going

897
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: to start taking.

898
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: On knocking those guys with Filippies. I absolutely think that

899
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: heines Word given something. Heines word to Rendez Barber. That's

900
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: a conversation. It's a conversation, and to me it's neither.

901
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: But it's a conversation, and one got in. I do

902
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: you agree that he's behind Holt, Smith and Wayne though

903
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: in terms of total numbers and everything else. I mean

904
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: in terms of his candidates. I think if you took

905
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: if you took hines Word and put him on those

906
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning.

907
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: Teams, oh, that'd be different. That'd be different.

908
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. So I mean, you know, I get it that,

909
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, his number members aren't going to match up

910
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: quite as strongly as some of the numbers from some

911
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: of these other guys who were in similar eras. He

912
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: played a little bit before sab.

913
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: It's similar in terms of play calling and the way

914
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: the game was played. And you know it's not Lin

915
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Swan in terms of.

916
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: For the decade of the two thousands. I mean, he

917
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: was kind of the engine that made the Steelers offense

918
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: go in many ways. He's extremely went to three Super Bowls,

919
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: was the MVP of one of them. That's a strong

920
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's a big check mark on you Canada.

921
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And his blocking isn't like Steve Tasker catching touchdowns. His

922
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: blocking changed games, right, yeah, broke it changed exactly right.

923
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, I think he's a great,

924
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: great player. I just think that who he's competing against

925
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: for those spots I would put in, it's a difficult

926
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: and they look at it by position. He's a better

927
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: player than Ronde Barber. He's a better player than Zack Thomas,

928
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the guy that I think is the best. And I

929
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: don't know if he's still on this list or not.

930
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: I almost certainly he's not in his Andre Johnson now

931
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: he's not eligible yet. Has he come up this year?

932
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: I believe so? Okay, I thought he was on the ballot.

933
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: This year might have been his first his first year

934
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: on the ballot. Ye, I mean some of the again,

935
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: there's that log gym and just one more name, right, right.

936
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: Right, and I guess it's not long before Larry's up

937
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: and some of those guys they.

938
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Speaker 1: Get John Abraham on this list. James Harrison's better player

939
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: than John Abrams, yes, agreed, no doubt. I mean, he

940
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: was a pure pass rusher and he was good, you know, right,

941
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: but he's I would rather play against him than Harrison,

942
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: and he's the final guy on the list. He did

943
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: finish with one hundred and thirty three and a half

944
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: career sacks Harrison. That's what's gonna hurt Harrison, the fact

945
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: that he just didn't play early, but he was. If

946
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna put Steve Tasker on there for special teams play, right,

947
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: James Harrison was a better special teams player than Steve Tasker,

948
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: or at least his equal. I couldn't comment on that.

949
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not perceived that way. His first couple

950
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: of years in the league. He was absolute team in

951
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: the game he had against the Baltimore Ravens when he

952
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: was starting. He's starting on defense and still playing special teams.

953
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: He's a new defensive starter at that point. Yeah, he

954
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: had I think eight tackles on defense. I think it

955
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: was three and a half sacks, a forced fumble and interception.

956
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: Then he played had three special teams tackles, a force fumble. Nice.

957
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: He just he was everywhere in that game. Ben Roethlisberger

958
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: threw five touchdown passes in that game, all in the

959
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: first half. The Steelers destroyed the Ravens, and nobody talks

960
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: about that. All they talk about is that defensive performance

961
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: by James Harrison. Ben was the second best player on

962
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I mean, I remember the best defensive performer,

963
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: best performance period by any by a Steeler by years

964
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: of covering this team. It was a single game performance.

965
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: It was it was fast times at Ridgemont, high stuff

966
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: tackle by Jefferson, every every tackle. You expected James Harrison

967
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: to forced fumbles like he's recovered to one fumble. Then

968
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: the Ravens cut him at one point. Yeah, oh yeah,

969
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: it was personal. He was just everywhere in that game.

970
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: It was just unbelievable and it was a game I

971
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: think it was a Monday night game in hinz Field.

972
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: He just he single handedly beat the Ravens.

973
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean, tremendous tremendous player and a great honor

974
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: for him going into the Hall of Honor just recently too.

975
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Freenie is a better case than Harrison

976
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: though for longevity. But again the last two years.

977
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: Were like in Arizona when he was hanging on doing nothing. Yeah,

978
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: but I guess Harrison.

979
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: Again, if you look at if you look at that

980
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: that five year stretch for Harrison numbers were his numbers

981
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: across the board were better than Freenie's. Yeah, No, I

982
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: get that, and you know I they're both feared. Yeah,

983
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody that want to play against Harrison. No,

984
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: he's a scary human being. Yeah, I mean you have

985
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: on just the pass rushing stuff. You didn't want to

986
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: run his way? No, you don't want to do any

987
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: of that.

988
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: I mean he sets the tone and obviously, I mean

989
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: it only happened to me once, but just him and

990
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: I in the hallway at the facility, and I was

991
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: like kind of lean the other direction, put my head down, scared.

992
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: A little a little.

993
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: If he would have done this, I would have jumped

994
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: out of my skin.

995
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: He should have. That would have been funny. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: take another break here is Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lawley.

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