WEBVTT - The Barbarians Had Hatchets.  Mike Lyons Talks to A&G 

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<v Speaker 1>Because four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Simply, this is Armstrong and Getty extra large.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump is the only one that could have prevented

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<v Speaker 3>this war from taking place. And President Trump now is

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<v Speaker 3>cleaning out the mess that Biden left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>And President Trump will.

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<v Speaker 3>Get it done. He will negotiate an end to this war.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to see the war ended, regardless of how

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<v Speaker 3>that takes place. He wants to see a win for

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine and a win for Russia at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's a lose lose going on for for both countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now.

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<v Speaker 3>People are dying, and the President said he wants people

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<v Speaker 3>to stop dying.

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<v Speaker 2>As Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, friend of the Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 2>Getty Show, we're in the stage of Trump communication where

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<v Speaker 2>Trump says something outrageous and sometimes ridiculous, and then his

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<v Speaker 2>allies reinterpret it for us in a more sane way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to talk about, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things Trump's said and done lately, is they try

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<v Speaker 2>to move toward a solution of the Ukraine Russian conflict specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but first a general discussion with Mike Leons, military analyst

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<v Speaker 2>to Mike served with various military organizations in both the

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<v Speaker 2>US and Europe throughout his career and joints us. Now, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good? Good? Thanks for having me back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's always a pleasure. Thank you. So before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into some of the specifics of the Ukraine Russian

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<v Speaker 2>thing right now, you're a student of history, as we

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<v Speaker 2>know it is, I think beyond question that there is

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<v Speaker 2>a serious change in the chemistry the magnetic fields. However,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to describe it of post World War Two

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<v Speaker 2>NATO and the Western Powers, where would you start in

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<v Speaker 2>telling a class about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd start at nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety when the

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<v Speaker 4>Soviet Union falls as the West completely screws up what

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<v Speaker 4>happened of the Russian Empire back then, and you go

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<v Speaker 4>back at that point, you know, NATO wins the Cold

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<v Speaker 4>War and Russia's bankrupt rold Reagan a lot of it

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<v Speaker 4>has to do with what he wanted to do with

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<v Speaker 4>Russia and decides and the Soviet Union breaks up, and

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<v Speaker 4>instead of managing that properly and making sure that the

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<v Speaker 4>Russian Empire had zero chance of ever coming back again,

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<v Speaker 4>the West decided to bring countries into NATO one at

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<v Speaker 4>a time or so over the course of the next

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<v Speaker 4>thirty years since then and thinking that that was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a stable way to go, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 4>recognize not recognizing that you can't have every member of

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<v Speaker 4>NATO to be everybody except Russia, because that's how the

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<v Speaker 4>First World War started. So we're seeing now the effects

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<v Speaker 4>of lack of NATO doing anything in O six when

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<v Speaker 4>Georgia gets invaded. We're definitely seeing the effects of fourteen

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<v Speaker 4>when Obama and Merkle does do nothing when Crimea is taken.

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<v Speaker 4>And then very clearly Joe Biden when he was president,

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<v Speaker 4>was the reason why Vladimir Putin decides to go after Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 4>And now we're faced with a NATO that's disarmed on

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<v Speaker 4>the continent that but for the United States nuclear umbrella

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<v Speaker 4>that the defenses don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen the last twelve years.

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<v Speaker 4>Historians are going to look back at the European countries

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<v Speaker 4>and say they had multiple warnings to rearm and re

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<v Speaker 4>mobilize their forces, to put some kind of leverage behind

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of military operations, and they didn't. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's where we're at right now, and that's where

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<v Speaker 4>the message being cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 2>Which leads me beautifully to the next topic. I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>to address, and that is I've been reading a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about the domestic politics and economics a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>European countries now, particularly because several of them are having

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<v Speaker 2>important elections, virtually all of the biggies are. And it

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<v Speaker 2>strikes me, whether you're talking about technology or the economy

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<v Speaker 2>in general, the politics, the freedom of speech policies in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been much discussed lately, it all feels like shrinking,

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<v Speaker 2>not growth. Europe just feels like a diminished force that's

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<v Speaker 2>continuing to be diminished with few signs of life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the thing is, we needed each of those

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<v Speaker 4>individual countries to have their own individual leaders that had

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<v Speaker 4>that same vision with regards to where they were going,

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<v Speaker 4>but instead each of them have been more aligned with

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<v Speaker 4>i'll just say, more liberal tendencies of unlimited immigration. The

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<v Speaker 4>free speech conversation that's taking place in Germany right now

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<v Speaker 4>is appalling. I mean that what happened over with the

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<v Speaker 4>sixty minutes interview, and they're arresting people for putting memes

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<v Speaker 4>on the Internet and then trying to equate that summer

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<v Speaker 4>reason like because thus free speech, that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't even connect these dots or whoever thought they

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<v Speaker 4>were going to get connected is just virtually insane at

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<v Speaker 4>this point. But what's happened is and then go back

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<v Speaker 4>to Germany. You know, they've they've gotten rid of all

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<v Speaker 4>their nuclear energy power plants. The world runs on energy,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to you can't have a country unless you

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<v Speaker 4>have that, so they rely on Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>So you kind of bring all this together.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw a good quote the other day that talked about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when the Roman Empire fell, it's not because

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<v Speaker 4>of the elites, you know, didn't improve their cost of

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<v Speaker 4>living or didn't improve their their lifestyle, as it fell

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<v Speaker 4>because the barbarians had hatchets. And that's still the same

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<v Speaker 4>for today. You've got to have a military presence and

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<v Speaker 4>show leverage and show capability of doing things. And all

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<v Speaker 4>of those countries, to include England. England is no less

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<v Speaker 4>guilty in any of these countries right now. And they

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<v Speaker 4>really risk Europe in particular England, France, Germany, some of

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<v Speaker 4>these countries really risk losing their cultures, losing everything that's.

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<v Speaker 2>About them well, and every sign is that they have

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<v Speaker 2>no inclination whatsoever to do the things that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be done to fix it. In fact, the minute somebody suggests,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, hey, our welfare state is draining our coffers,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't have the money to defend themselves. They

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<v Speaker 2>get voted out of office. So I don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of hope. So let's get a little more specific

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<v Speaker 2>about Ukraine and Russia. You can either address some of

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<v Speaker 2>the incendiary things Trump has said lately or not, it's

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<v Speaker 2>up to you. But as as the folks gather for

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<v Speaker 2>various peace talks, how does the whole thing strike you overall?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, he said some outrageous things. Obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the dictator here is Prutin, and you know, Russia did

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<v Speaker 4>invade Ukraine. It's unjustifiable, and Russian aggression is something that

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<v Speaker 4>has to be dealt with. The question is how what's

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<v Speaker 4>the leverge that we can apply back in order to

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<v Speaker 4>have them not do it again? And Trump's transactional view

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<v Speaker 4>this whole thing is it has to stop. Once it

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<v Speaker 4>does stop, we create an armascist. But he's afraid of

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<v Speaker 4>the same thing over and over again. We you know Land,

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<v Speaker 4>the European troops there, we put American troops there. American

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<v Speaker 4>troops will be forwarding this and they became really what

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<v Speaker 4>will be a tripwire. I mean, again I appreciate what

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<v Speaker 4>the British Prime Minister was talking about sending troops to Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know exactly which troops.

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<v Speaker 4>There's less than one hundred thousand active duty troops that

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<v Speaker 4>are in the UK army right now, which is ridiculous

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<v Speaker 4>for a country that size for once was once a great.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they might as well be Portugal, they might

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<v Speaker 4>as well be you know, some some mid Atlantic, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Middle Eastern country right now. So so again, none

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<v Speaker 4>of these countries have got really any capability to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think I think the question is I think

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to get to the spot that everybody is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know Pete Heggs that said the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 4>Russia will contain, will have the twenty percent of that

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<v Speaker 4>they've kept, they'll likely keep CRIMEA, they will put up

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<v Speaker 4>a border.

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<v Speaker 1>NATO won't be won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Be bringing in Ukraine anytime soon, and they'll be lucky

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<v Speaker 4>to get some some EU you know kind of money

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<v Speaker 4>they're going forward and to try to get the fighting

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<v Speaker 4>to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where it's going to go.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's that's where it should have went back when

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing started four years ago and three years

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<v Speaker 4>ago at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, whatever's next is not going to play out

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<v Speaker 2>in the next year. It's going to play out in

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<v Speaker 2>the next thirty years. So we'll all fight out together.

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<v Speaker 2>Military analyst Mike Lions online, Mike, we're really putting you

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<v Speaker 2>through the paces today, and we appreciated another topic speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of Pete Hegzeth and in Trump's order to take a

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<v Speaker 2>serious look at the Pentagon, cut budgets, cut the fat.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of that in general? And you,

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<v Speaker 2>as an experienced Pentagon hand, tell us about the efficiencies

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<v Speaker 2>and inefficiency of the Pentagon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they go.

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<v Speaker 4>Through this every once in a while. They've tried a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of different administrations. What you're seeing though, is Pete

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<v Speaker 4>Heggs that's being very overly transparent. He put about an

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<v Speaker 4>eight minute video out last night with regard to what

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<v Speaker 4>that was going to be about. Specifically left certain things

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<v Speaker 4>out of it, certain domains that won't be cut. But

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<v Speaker 4>like anything else, there are there are things that are

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<v Speaker 4>redundant within the Pentagon that it's an easy place for

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<v Speaker 4>fivetoms to be built. And you know, for kingdoms to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of move forward as people, you know, try to

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<v Speaker 4>stay in one location and don't change their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he's looking to knock down some of

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<v Speaker 1>those stylos.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of those styles are calcified, I'll put it that

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<v Speaker 4>way in terms of where they don't talk and nine

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<v Speaker 4>to eleven it did actually a pretty good job of

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<v Speaker 4>knocking those silos down when it came to information communication.

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<v Speaker 4>But they they still get rebuilt and they still get

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<v Speaker 4>re established, and I think that's what Pete wants to do.

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<v Speaker 4>He's up against a very strong momentum on the other side,

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<v Speaker 4>because there's people that are going to dig in pretty

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<v Speaker 4>deeply and they're going to want to keep their fivectems

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<v Speaker 4>and keep their dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you think about it, the Pentagon is the.

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<v Speaker 4>Most the largest discretionary budget that we have right now,

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<v Speaker 4>and so if we can get some savings out of

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<v Speaker 4>their ten percent, then I think that'll be a win, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have always said around here at the A

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<v Speaker 2>and G Show that the kindest, best thing we can

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<v Speaker 2>do for our actual fighting men and women is to

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<v Speaker 2>ensure there's efficiency at the Pentagon, and the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>scrutinizing the Pentagon or re ordering budgets is somehow weakening defense,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is foolish. Final question, speaking of our military

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<v Speaker 2>in these turbulent times, what do you see as our

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<v Speaker 2>greatest strength right now as our forces exist, and what's

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<v Speaker 2>your greatest concern our greatest weakness.

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<v Speaker 4>I think our greatest strength remains this intangible of being

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<v Speaker 4>an American. I think anytime you see America, it's in

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<v Speaker 4>a situation where they have to rally and put themselves together.

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<v Speaker 4>Not just in the military, you see it in corporate

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<v Speaker 4>America sometimes. But but there's this thing about being an American,

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<v Speaker 4>which is why everybody wants to come here, why everybody

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<v Speaker 4>wants to be part of this thing. When when when

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<v Speaker 4>push comes to shove, when a mission has to get done,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, you know, my time in active duty, that

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<v Speaker 4>that people would say, you know, this is we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to get this done.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to you know, look left and look right

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<v Speaker 1>and take care of each other.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think our greatest strength is this tangible that

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<v Speaker 4>runs in our DNA of of being an American and

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<v Speaker 4>what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>And being on the high on the high ground and

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<v Speaker 1>doing whatever it takes.

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<v Speaker 4>I often think about, you know, I look at these

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<v Speaker 4>videos and I watch the Russians leave their soldiers behind

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<v Speaker 4>and things like that. I remember being and when I

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<v Speaker 4>was at combat thinking that, you know, you never see

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<v Speaker 4>Americans surrender and things like that. So we have this

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<v Speaker 4>intangible that's there. But then that greatest strength is a weakness.

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<v Speaker 4>If we still don't have the technology and don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the equipment, and we if we come up with somebody

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<v Speaker 4>that has better, better kind of things, we're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to no matter no matter how great that intangible is,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not going to overcome that. So we still have

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<v Speaker 4>to have military might, we have to have material might,

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<v Speaker 4>and be able to put our money where our mouth is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think those are the two biggest things.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's so perfect. I was just going to

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<v Speaker 2>interject it. In reading about Germany and the elections and

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing, a German analyst was saying, what

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<v Speaker 2>really weakens us and strengthens the Americans is that we

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<v Speaker 2>have a culture of we better be careful, we'd better

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<v Speaker 2>not hear the things that can be wrong, that could

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<v Speaker 2>go wrong, Rather whereas the Americans have a spirit of

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<v Speaker 2>let's try it and see what happens, learn from it

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<v Speaker 2>and go from there. And yeah, If we ever lose that,

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<v Speaker 2>including technologically as you're saying, then you know we're screwed.

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<v Speaker 2>Military analyst Mike Clients Mike, great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>Extra large