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Speaker 1: are going to be discussing season one, episode sixteen, Starcross,
Speaker 1: Lovers and Other Strangers with none other than Kaylin Bell.
Speaker 1: And you may know her from The Bachelor and The
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, but since then, she's built a strong
Speaker 1: presence in the lifestyle and travel space, sharing her adventures
Speaker 1: and insights with fans. But you might want to know
Speaker 1: that she's also a huge Gilmore Girls fan, So we
Speaker 1: like that. We like that very much. We're excited to
Speaker 1: have her here to recap this episode and dive into
Speaker 1: her love for stars. Tala, Welcome, Kaylin, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. I got a text
Speaker 2: from one of your producers, Emma, while I was at
Speaker 2: dinner with my husband, and I was like, you have
Speaker 2: no idea how big of a deal this is. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 1: Well, we're glad to have you. We're glad you're excited.
Speaker 1: And what'd you think of the episode? What'd you think
Speaker 1: of this episode.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's such a good episode. And I've seen Gilmore
Speaker 2: Girls all the way through so many times, so I
Speaker 2: was rewatching this one, and so much goes on, so
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a perfect episode to chat about.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, here's a little synopsis for you. And
Speaker 1: the original air date was March eight, twenty twenty one. Ouch,
Speaker 1: that was a long time ago, Caylen. I imagine you
Speaker 1: were maybe still in diapers in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: I'm six, all right.
Speaker 1: So Dean confesses his love to Rory. And isn't that
Speaker 1: the remarkable thing about the Gilmore Girls fan base? It
Speaker 1: just keeps getting younger and younger and younger. Every new
Speaker 1: generation is discovering your testament to that wonderful to have
Speaker 1: you on. All right, So Dean confesses his love to Rory,
Speaker 1: leaving her unsure of how to respond. Quite stunned, was she? Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Loralai indorsed and awkward dinner with her parents an unexpected
Speaker 1: blind date, which was hilarious. Elsewhere in Stars Hollow, Luke
Speaker 1: is caught off guard when in an old flame maybe
Speaker 1: the flame resurfaces, stirring up emotions from his past. Leslie
Speaker 1: Linka Gladder, who directed the pilot, directed this episode and
Speaker 1: the Teleplane story. John Stevens, Linda Louise Guzik, and Jony
Speaker 1: binder Weiss wrote it, Uh, what'd you think overall of
Speaker 1: the episode?
Speaker 2: It was it was such a great episode to rewatch
Speaker 2: because even from the very beginning, before the intro song
Speaker 2: comes on, I was like, this is why I love
Speaker 2: this show is because it's so wholesome, and I love
Speaker 2: the small town feel where pretty much everyone's coming together
Speaker 2: for every small event, no matter what it is, like
Speaker 2: Miss Patty telling the story of stars Hollow. But then
Speaker 2: you've got, you know, drama with Dean, and you've got
Speaker 2: drama with Laura La and her parents, so you kind
Speaker 2: of got a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: Well, we open up with Dean waiting at the bust
Speaker 1: up Rory. Rory alters her Friday night dinner plans for Dean.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a big discussion with Laura. I's yeah,
Speaker 1: Laura has to get permission from Emily, of course, and
Speaker 1: surprisingly Emily agrees to it without any kind of stress
Speaker 1: and then provides for some nice comedy when more license
Speaker 1: and Luria's going to need me to know, I'll expect
Speaker 1: you at seven, thanks by right. And I thought her
Speaker 1: particularly a strong episode for Lauren Graham in terms of
Speaker 1: she got a lot of laughs out of me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I just enjoyed watching her try to navigate
Speaker 1: her childhood home with those two and was so good.
Speaker 1: Strange guy. It was so good, wasn't it. I Mean,
Speaker 1: that's like something you would go back and watch and
Speaker 1: watch again just to get the last from what she
Speaker 1: was doing. And testament to all those people they're straight
Speaker 1: lines and playing it straight like that. Just fantastic, just
Speaker 1: great comedy, great comedy.
Speaker 2: The actor who played Chase, he did such a great
Speaker 2: job at like the weirdo aspect saying what shall we like?
Speaker 2: He was just so awkward and he's like no, no, Lorelai, no, no.
Speaker 1: He was. He was so that breed, he really was.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about privilege, wo wow, yes, dripping
Speaker 1: in it and Miss Patty smoking her cigarette with cigarette
Speaker 1: holder during story hour and telling the kids and then
Speaker 1: finally saying something about being in a cage in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty six with Tito Plente. You know, there's always a
Speaker 1: singer from right from our pop culture expert Amy Sharn
Speaker 1: Pelatino and her husband that they throw in a singer.
Speaker 1: So that shows the quirkiness of stars Hollow. Now the
Speaker 1: steaks are we know what the steaks are. Now the setup,
Speaker 1: we know what's going to happen here. But do we
Speaker 1: really as soon as we get into Emily's house? How
Speaker 1: many funny gags did did Lauren do with the coffee cup? Oh?
Speaker 1: My gosh, shoving it in the right like just find
Speaker 1: like she looking for a place to throw it away,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh god, if she throws it away
Speaker 1: outside in one of the planters, Emily's gonna find it
Speaker 1: and give her hell right, So what she gonna do?
Speaker 1: So she knows she can't do that, sticks it in
Speaker 1: her purse.
Speaker 2: Do you know how much of that was improv and
Speaker 2: how much was scripted? I don't Was there a lot
Speaker 2: of improv in the show or not?
Speaker 1: Really? Absolutely none? Oh wow, No, I'm sure that was scripted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. There's nothing improved. I mean from my experience
Speaker 1: when I was on set and it was a lot,
Speaker 1: there was no improv.
Speaker 2: It just like speaks to the writing and the quippiness
Speaker 2: of everything, Like the banter is just so perfectly timed.
Speaker 2: And perfectly written.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It really wasn't often when somebody would stop and say,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be better if I said no, it's just
Speaker 1: it really didn't happen because it was just such you know,
Speaker 1: you're staring at these pages and it's gold. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't wait to get at it right. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing you can do to improve it. You know,
Speaker 1: you just have to spit the lines out quickly and
Speaker 1: run into the furniture.
Speaker 2: That's fun because as a fan, I kind of thought
Speaker 2: you guys just had this amazing relationship where you would
Speaker 2: just banter off each other. But it really is the
Speaker 2: writing that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the writing. Yeah, it's there, it's on the page.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, we had this dialogue coach
Speaker 1: and he'd come in your trailer and you'd run lines
Speaker 1: with him until you were cold on the lines. And
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was just stone cold knew their stuff. Wow.
Speaker 1: And it was and it was a great way to
Speaker 1: work because you know, you get it, you relax, you
Speaker 1: go on set, you have fun with it. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody forgets a line here and there, not often, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's just kind of a fun day going
Speaker 1: through all these great lines and great scenes, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like every single scene you're doing is
Speaker 1: as good at writing as it gets, and the actors
Speaker 1: that you're acting with are as good as it gets,
Speaker 1: and it's just fun. It's fun to be in that
Speaker 1: kind of environment where you know everybody is a list
Speaker 1: in terms of their ability.
Speaker 2: I was thinking while rewatching, I mean, i've again, I've
Speaker 2: seen it so many times, but I rewatch like nineties
Speaker 2: and early two thousands shows, and some of them are
Speaker 2: so unbelievably cringey, and this show is so timeless in
Speaker 2: so many ways, Like I don't feel like there's any
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't feel like there's
Speaker 2: really cringe moments in gil Mar Girls. There are a
Speaker 2: couple maybe I'm forgetting those.
Speaker 1: There are a couple of scenes that don't that that
Speaker 1: didn't age well, and I think I think, Emma Jackie,
Speaker 1: if you want to chime in, I don't recall specifically,
Speaker 1: but there's some there's some stuff in there that doesn't
Speaker 1: age well, but it's it's so rare, it's so rare. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I just think it ages well because it's
Speaker 1: so smart. Yes, it's just so smart. It's just such
Speaker 1: good writing. And I don't know that there's any been
Speaker 1: anything like it on television ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like the wholesome aspect, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: we have anything like that. And that's why I love it.
Speaker 2: It's just such a feel good show. It's so wholesome.
Speaker 2: I don't feel I just it's so great. It's like
Speaker 2: you feel like you're with people that.
Speaker 1: You love, right, But it's it's it's but there's this
Speaker 1: it's melded. It's like this hybrid wholesome small town show,
Speaker 1: but with this utter sophistication in the writing and in
Speaker 1: the delivery. And I think it Emily and Richard really
Speaker 1: helped that out. Like they sort of set a standard
Speaker 1: of behavior and elocution and diction and vocabulary and and
Speaker 1: you know, basically just how they speak and what they know,
Speaker 1: and it all trickles down so they get away with
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of pop culture references. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we have we have Rory. Right. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: in a situation like that when you were younger? You know,
Speaker 1: I think fifteen years and the guys, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been there. I remember the awkward moment when you say
Speaker 1: that I love you and it just hangs out there
Speaker 1: and returned like a big Manza ball, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, oh.
Speaker 2: My gosh, I think I was the dean when I
Speaker 2: was younger. I was just so eager and he was
Speaker 2: so eager, just so excited. He's like, I remember our
Speaker 2: second anniversary, our second month anniversary, I remember our third month.
Speaker 2: And Rory's like, I had no idea, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, So we we go to the junk yard. They
Speaker 1: sit in the car. He's making her a car. He's
Speaker 1: building her a car, and that is what a guy, right,
Speaker 1: But it's just a little too much for r Rory, right.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know what to make of this. It's like,
Speaker 1: who builds anybody a car? Who can even build somebody
Speaker 1: a car? Right? And why is he building me a car?
Speaker 1: And is it going to be safe? And like what
Speaker 1: kind of a is it going to be? A junkie car?
Speaker 1: I mean, what is he building me a Rolls Royce?
Speaker 1: What is he doing? And then they sit in the
Speaker 1: thing and when is it a little Corbert? So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a Corvet type car, which are kind
Speaker 1: of cool cars actually, eight great little cars to tute
Speaker 1: around in a in a small town, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And then he just says it, man, and it's like
Speaker 1: I forgot the scene and I kept saying and I
Speaker 1: said to myself as I'm watching, and I said, oh no,
Speaker 1: he's gonna tell her he loves her, and it's going
Speaker 1: to ruin the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Keep your mouth showed, buddy. Uh But
Speaker 1: he you know, he's he's a lovely guy, right, he's
Speaker 1: turned into uh, you know that they knocked the the
Speaker 1: Chicago out of him a little bit. Now that he's
Speaker 1: in Star's Hall, he's kind of getting into the flow
Speaker 1: of the place and he just like, he just says it,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know what to do. What is Have
Speaker 1: you ever been in that situation?
Speaker 2: No? Again, I think I was just so eager for
Speaker 2: love that I was on the opposite end where I'm
Speaker 2: just like you.
Speaker 1: Were the dean.
Speaker 2: I was the dean, you were the dean. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: so speaking from experience, it's not a good feeling, right,
Speaker 2: But I do think in that scene, Alexis is so good.
Speaker 2: You can see every emotion. She's so young. But the
Speaker 2: camera work in it too. Where they just hold it
Speaker 2: on Rory's face for a bit to see every emotion,
Speaker 2: because it's like, we don't really need to see Dean's
Speaker 2: face in this. We know what he's feeling, and they
Speaker 2: just hold it for I noticed for like an extended
Speaker 2: period of time, which is I thought, a great, great
Speaker 2: tactic by the camera people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alexis really is just like she's like water, isn't she.
Speaker 1: Every little vibration ripples through her face. You can see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, nothing's forced about it. It's
Speaker 1: all just kind of gentle. Yeah, she's easy to watch.
Speaker 1: She's very very easy to watch, very very easy. Okay, Laura,
Speaker 1: let's get into some cooking aspects. You have a lifestyle,
Speaker 1: a brand happening that you're building up. Laurla really wants
Speaker 1: to cook. She chooses Hamburger helper, which which tells us
Speaker 1: at what level she is in the cooking ladder. Have
Speaker 1: you ever used hamburger helper?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny you say that, because I remember being
Speaker 2: in the third grade and visiting a friend and her
Speaker 2: mom made it and I went home and I was like, mom,
Speaker 2: she's so good. She's such a good cook. And my
Speaker 2: mom would never. My mom's very healthy, so she never
Speaker 2: touched that stuff. And it was so funny to Laura
Speaker 2: lies like I want to be a chef and arguably
Speaker 2: one of the easier meals in the world, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I can't make this.
Speaker 1: You know, well I have had it, and I always
Speaker 1: found it to be quite delicious, but it is. I
Speaker 1: didn't repeat the experience too often because you know, my
Speaker 1: mom was quite a health nut to we. We liver
Speaker 1: once a week. It was good. It tastes actually pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so once a week we had them. Yeah, we weren't
Speaker 1: looking for those nights. But I try to pretend like
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. But I liked it because my
Speaker 1: siblings were like, oh no, god, liver, he really mom,
Speaker 1: you know, so see.
Speaker 2: How to go along with them?
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right. So Laurel is kind of missing Max.
Speaker 1: She goes in the diner, she sees Luke. They have
Speaker 1: their banter. You know, we think something might be happening.
Speaker 1: They're really coming together. They're united in their hate of things.
Speaker 1: You know, he does a little she's on a rant.
Speaker 1: You know, they're both kind of tense and and they're
Speaker 1: sort of relieved to be in one another's presence and
Speaker 1: they you know, they get the fent. You know, Laura
Speaker 1: I is just not in the mood for all the
Speaker 1: love and the la la laws and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, kind of in a crabby boat,
Speaker 1: goes in the diner. She's met she's met her her
Speaker 1: match and Luke, who has an equal amount of of
Speaker 1: hatred inside him, maybe even more. And you know, here
Speaker 1: we go again, here the writers again throwing these two together,
Speaker 1: and right at the moment when they're getting together, boom,
Speaker 1: they drop a bombshell on us in the form of Rachel.
Speaker 1: What'd you think of Rachel? What did you think of
Speaker 1: that whole scene?
Speaker 2: I was just picturing myself as Laura Lai and being
Speaker 2: like crushed because I mean, as a viewer, you're just
Speaker 2: like when will they be together? You know it's only
Speaker 2: season one, but you just it's like the timing is
Speaker 2: never right between the two of them, and the way
Speaker 2: that Luke is able to bring her out of this
Speaker 2: mood or like intensified in the best way. And then
Speaker 2: you're just like hit with this shock. This Rachel, who
Speaker 2: she's heard about because of the sweater, but she doesn't know,
Speaker 2: you know, she's never seen her face to face.
Speaker 1: But she's not showing that. She's not showing any kind
Speaker 1: of devastation or shock. She's not playing that. She's playing like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like she doesn't care. She's throwing it all away, like, eh,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Luke's a friend And what's your opinion
Speaker 1: on that? You think she's interested in this guy or
Speaker 1: do you think she just doesn't care and really does
Speaker 1: miss like she likes the friendship aspect of it now.
Speaker 1: I mean because it heats up every once in a
Speaker 1: while in the first season and people keep telling her
Speaker 1: friends like Luke, Luke, Luke, and I think you'll like him,
Speaker 1: what do you think? And she's like, no, you know.
Speaker 1: But so in your opinion as a fan, is she
Speaker 1: even considering this now or is it just like this
Speaker 1: passing thing and she doesn't take it really seriously and
Speaker 1: it's like, nah, she's not feeling it.
Speaker 2: What's your From my view, I think she never really
Speaker 2: considered it. She likes the their friendship, the little bit
Speaker 2: of flirtation, but the more people egg her on, the
Speaker 2: more she's open to its kind of how I'm viewing
Speaker 2: it right, because then she comes back and she's like,
Speaker 2: why did I say that I'm so stupid? You know
Speaker 2: about the coffee pots.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, I kind of agree with you because
Speaker 1: she's just kind of playing it off and it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal Rachel and all stuff. I think she's
Speaker 1: she's curious. I think, yeah, I think she's curious as
Speaker 1: a as a lifelong friend like that, she cares on
Speaker 1: that level. I don't know that it's I mean, but
Speaker 1: they had a couple of moments, didn't they. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: behind the counter when they were looking at what his
Speaker 1: dad wrote on the on the side of the counter
Speaker 1: so many years ago when they were painting the place,
Speaker 1: you know, in the previous episode or two, and they
Speaker 1: had that moment where they locked eyes, right and yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was like are they well there, won't they?
Speaker 2: For me, it was always like Luke was ready ish
Speaker 2: or more open to it, and then Laura Lai was
Speaker 2: slowly opening up to the idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not there. Yeah, she goes home.
Speaker 2: She calls Max, right, which is and it's the timing thing.
Speaker 1: She talks about Max.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well she calls yeah at the end, at
Speaker 2: the end she calls but then hangs up because of Rory.
Speaker 2: But I think every time. It's like Laura lies in
Speaker 2: a relationship. So then Luke finds something or accept something.
Speaker 2: Is kind of the pattern we see throughout and vice versa.
Speaker 1: Right, we see him pining and suffering when she has
Speaker 1: a new guy, but when you know, a significant Rachel
Speaker 1: and she's described by Suki as like it's like Elle
Speaker 1: Macpherson with a camera, you know, this kind of thing, right, right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to face her. She doesn't really doesn't really,
Speaker 1: she doesn't really seem to care. So she's not invested
Speaker 1: in him in that way at this point, which is
Speaker 1: probably a smart way to play it because if you're
Speaker 1: all gaga, where do you go from there? So she's
Speaker 1: thinking about Max, you know, she talk to Ry about Max.
Speaker 1: You know, she's she's very open about it. Well, it
Speaker 1: seems that laurla I is in a love triangle. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the question. Does Laura I forgetting about Max means
Speaker 1: she is over him or is just distracted by Luke
Speaker 1: and Christopher? Does that make any sense to you?
Speaker 2: So do we think she's fully over Max?
Speaker 1: She's obviously not, yeah, right, but her attempt at forgetting
Speaker 1: about him, right, Obviously she's not over him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think there's confusing and conflicting feelings because
Speaker 2: you have Christopher saying I'm ready you know what was
Speaker 2: that the episode before ready to be in your life
Speaker 2: and then saying I want to marry you. But she
Speaker 2: also is getting attention from Luke, so maybe she is
Speaker 2: kind of using that as a distraction or she's just distracted.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's a question for you. Do you think Emily enjoys
Speaker 1: making laurel I uncomfortable?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, and I love it. I love Emily so much,
Speaker 2: and she just she's so good, not only as an actress,
Speaker 2: but like she's such a good like gets under Lorelei's
Speaker 2: skin in the best way.
Speaker 1: Oh she's cold blood, isn't she. Yes, she's toys with
Speaker 1: her daughter.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's so cruel. Yet it's very fun to watch, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yes. I was watching this episode and I was like,
Speaker 2: I just am sad about their relationship where she walks
Speaker 2: in and she's not really sure how to approach her dad,
Speaker 2: you know. But I did love that moment of bonding
Speaker 2: that they had at the end over the weirdo guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when she was climbing out the window. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he let her go, but then there was that look
Speaker 1: he had of sadness, like, that's my daughter. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: she's in this predicament again, and she's running away again.
Speaker 1: He got triggered, poor guy.
Speaker 2: Anytime, like, I love their banter in the way that
Speaker 2: they interact, But anytime there's a moment of bonding between
Speaker 2: the parents and lor Lai, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's always that feeling of loss. There's always
Speaker 1: that what could have been? That look in either Emily's
Speaker 1: or Richard's eyes, you know, that expression, it's like, what
Speaker 1: could have been? What could have been? Yeah, there's always
Speaker 1: a sense of loss and tragedy in that in unforgiveness,
Speaker 1: they just like can't get over what she did. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're having a hard time still accepting how their lives
Speaker 1: turned out as parents of an only child because they
Speaker 1: had so much hope. But what a great jumping off
Speaker 1: point for storytelling, isn't it? Oh yeah, just so powerful
Speaker 1: peeling back the layers all right. One of the most
Speaker 1: stomach churning scenes I think I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: life is watching Tristan make out with that girlfriend on
Speaker 1: Paris's I had to turn it off. I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't turn it off. I had to turn away. I
Speaker 1: could watch it. Yeah, I I turned into such a
Speaker 1: prude at that moment. But it was just like I
Speaker 1: think it was who rather than the what, so there
Speaker 1: we are And Paris didn't say much or have to
Speaker 1: say much in order to steal the scene. It was
Speaker 1: just the look she gave. It was like, somebody is
Speaker 1: going to die. That's steal. He gazed.
Speaker 2: Another phenomenal actress. Oh my gosh, she is so funny.
Speaker 1: You know, isn't it amazing about this show? And I
Speaker 1: said this last week too, It's like when you try
Speaker 1: to decide who's the best actor or in the whole thing,
Speaker 1: it's like, is anybody better better in their role than
Speaker 1: anybody else? Right, It's like it's like it's like Liza's
Speaker 1: as good in her role as Emily is in her
Speaker 1: role as Sean Gunn is in his role as Miss Patty,
Speaker 1: and Sally Struthers are in their roles as Ed Herman
Speaker 1: is in his roles as Jannique Trusdale and his roles
Speaker 1: and Keiko and just on down the list, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a murderer's row of greatness there.
Speaker 2: And I think that's another reason it's so great to
Speaker 2: watch and you never get sick of it, is because
Speaker 2: it's very rare that you find something that's perfectly cast,
Speaker 2: and this was to a tee. Everything is perfectly cast.
Speaker 1: It really truly is. You know, Amy really knows or
Speaker 1: new what she still does, and her current shows what
Speaker 1: she wants. I love it, and she doesn't compromise. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. That's it, no need to see
Speaker 1: anybody else. Let's go and she moves on. It's it's uncanny.
Speaker 1: It's just uncanny, all right. How do we feel about
Speaker 1: this moment? You know, I thought one of the most
Speaker 1: interesting moments in the whole thing, and I think it
Speaker 1: happened in the beginning, was when Laurel I was was
Speaker 1: almost injured by a falling star, you know, that very
Speaker 1: heavy plaster of Paris or a heavy cardboard star that
Speaker 1: found I mean it really crashed down. That would have
Speaker 1: hurt her. I mean it could have killed her if
Speaker 1: it hit her in the head, right, It would have
Speaker 1: hit her in her head, and it was that's a
Speaker 1: heavy thing. Why do you think they did that? Why
Speaker 1: do you think the writers did that? Because that was
Speaker 1: a scary moment, right, And do we in this show
Speaker 1: do we want to feel like that? I mean that
Speaker 1: this isn't a show that deals with death. I mean
Speaker 1: every once in a while, you know, we got a
Speaker 1: little Richard in the hospital thing. So they deal with
Speaker 1: it in a human way, but in an accidental way
Speaker 1: like that, right, And.
Speaker 2: Was it like because it's an episode about love and
Speaker 2: Laura Lai is just surrounded by people in love. Everywhere
Speaker 2: she turns, everyone's in love. And then her mom puts
Speaker 2: her on this blind date without her knowing, and she's
Speaker 2: having these potential feelings about Luke. She's having these questioning
Speaker 2: about Max. So is it just like kind of struck
Speaker 2: her like I don't want to die alone? Or is
Speaker 2: that too deep?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't maybe, But what kind of
Speaker 1: a mood was she was? She was in a Luke mood, right,
Speaker 1: She wanted it, she was she was in her mood
Speaker 1: to go to the diner and just rant.
Speaker 2: A little bit because she just saw Suky, right, and
Speaker 2: then she just it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like love, love, love, let me get out
Speaker 1: of this. And then boom almost hit by that star,
Speaker 1: that falling star. Well, that was an interesting moment for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't normally see that on this show.
Speaker 1: But all right, let's talk about Rachel a little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this? You like them together?
Speaker 1: You think this is a do you hate this? As
Speaker 1: a fan? Is this like?
Speaker 2: Is this is this.
Speaker 1: April level April Nardini level cringe for the fans?
Speaker 2: Rachel April for me was just like, come on, we're
Speaker 2: so close. We're still in the beginning stages. And what
Speaker 2: I do appreciate about the writers and this show is
Speaker 2: they didn't give us what we wanted, Like we really
Speaker 2: have to work for it. We really have to wait
Speaker 2: a while for what we want. But I think with
Speaker 2: every relationship, we're just proven. We're shown, like Laura Lai
Speaker 2: and Luke are meant to be together. So you have
Speaker 2: Rachel and Luke talking, they have some banter, it's fine,
Speaker 2: and then the second Rachel walks away, Laura LII sits
Speaker 2: down and it's just so comfortable and it exudes happiness,
Speaker 2: like they bring out the best in each other. So
Speaker 2: it's you're working for it, you're working towards it, and
Speaker 2: you're aware the show.
Speaker 1: These episodes I like a baseball game on a Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 1: it's ninety degrees and in the old days before all
Speaker 1: these rules and timers and clocks that were applied to
Speaker 1: the sport, where it just unfolds and it's going to
Speaker 1: unfold the way it unfolds and nobody's in a rush.
Speaker 1: I like that even it really just feels like and
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons fans love it
Speaker 1: so much, is because they know they can relax inside
Speaker 1: this world, that there ain't no rush get into anything,
Speaker 1: even though you know, Laura I seems to be rushing
Speaker 1: around all over the place. The pace, the overall pace
Speaker 1: of this show contradicts her personality, which is it creates
Speaker 1: a wonderful tension, and it's really a relaxing, very pleasant
Speaker 1: sit you know, like if you just want to go
Speaker 1: watch a baseball game, because man, sometimes that stuff takes forever.
Speaker 1: And it's okay because it's a Saturday afternoon and you're
Speaker 1: watching a baseball game, right and you don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and anything can happen, all right. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen Luke so flustered?
Speaker 2: No? And I loved it. It's the best totally caught
Speaker 2: off guard.
Speaker 1: Well, they must have. He must have really gone through
Speaker 1: something there.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, and we got we got little teasers of
Speaker 2: it with Laura II wearing that sweater earlier in the season.
Speaker 1: But right, exactly right, right right. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: any type of tension between Rachel and Laura I did
Speaker 1: you sense anything?
Speaker 2: No? Not really, And even Rachel asks Luke up front
Speaker 2: and she's she's like, well, let me know, like is
Speaker 2: this is there something happening here or is there something
Speaker 2: happening there? And Luke's honest with her, He's like, I
Speaker 2: think maybe sometimes, but I don't know. And another thing
Speaker 2: I love about this show is we're not really pitting
Speaker 2: women against women, which we often see, especially in this time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, do I really really appreciated that?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good point. Excellent point. All right, So,
Speaker 1: you know, I know we're jumping around a little bit,
Speaker 1: but there's some important tidbits. You know. We see we
Speaker 1: see Laurel I missus Max. We see Lane coming over
Speaker 1: to see Rory before her date with Dean, before that
Speaker 1: whole thing blows up. And I really thought that that
Speaker 1: was a great use of Lane's character as a supportive friend,
Speaker 1: as funny, as bubbly as you know, harangued by her
Speaker 1: mother to go on another blind date with somebody who's
Speaker 1: a chiropractor and not a doctor because she really doesn't
Speaker 1: maybe she lowered her expectations for her own daughter. At
Speaker 1: this point, she's a lost cause. So it'll just like
Speaker 1: it was funny. It didn't lean on on the you know,
Speaker 1: having sympathy for poor Lane. They didn't play into that.
Speaker 1: It was just more of the comedic aspects of it,
Speaker 1: which is really the soul of comedy, right because it
Speaker 1: has to be so real and it is with her
Speaker 1: and the relentless matchmaking style and missus Kim is wont
Speaker 1: to do all right, now we're let's let's let's and
Speaker 1: we're in the spirit of jumping around. We meet Chase
Speaker 1: Bradford at at the dinner, Lorelai comes in. Uh, Richard
Speaker 1: isn't terribly interested in talking to her. He's reading the paper.
Speaker 1: She gets a drink. She's extremely funny through this entire
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody plays discomfort better. I
Speaker 1: mean that whole spiel about the the glass little miniature
Speaker 1: class figurine bunnies, yes, and that of course she dropped
Speaker 1: them in the perfect way. And I mean it just hysterical.
Speaker 1: She's hysterical.
Speaker 2: She's so funny, and I almost think like her and
Speaker 2: Roy are so good together. But it's funny to see
Speaker 2: her away from Rory in that setting because it's even
Speaker 2: funnier somehow.
Speaker 1: It kind of is, oh my gosh. And one of
Speaker 1: my favorite episodes so far is the episode where she
Speaker 1: smells snow yeah, and because she's alone, she's pretty much
Speaker 1: by herself through going through that episode with no conflict
Speaker 1: and she and it's not that it's funny per se, right,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just it's just like going through this
Speaker 1: episode with Laurel I and it's just such a treat anyway. Uh,
Speaker 1: Then we get the big surprise that Emily has, unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to anyone, set laurelay up on a blind date and
Speaker 1: here comes Chase Bradford. He shows up and he adores children.
Speaker 2: Away, little kids.
Speaker 1: They're right away.
Speaker 3: And Laura just gives a look to Emily like come on,
Speaker 3: And you know, Chase is the kind of guy who
Speaker 3: just sort of drones on and on about his job
Speaker 3: and he's he's.
Speaker 1: Just extremely boring and condescending and snooty and richistic very much.
Speaker 1: So yeah right, I mean you can just tell yeah, man,
Speaker 1: imagine life with that Laurelize Like wow, it's like and
Speaker 1: this really shows, I mean, if there isn't, if there
Speaker 1: isn't this chasm between you know, Laurlized perspective on life
Speaker 1: and how she wants to live her life in Emily's
Speaker 1: now we really see it between Chase and laurel I
Speaker 1: can because I mean you can kind of imagine them
Speaker 1: as mother and daughter and they you know, there's some
Speaker 1: similarities there, but there are no similarities between laurel I
Speaker 1: and Chase. I mean there's just not even a chance
Speaker 1: these two.
Speaker 2: Are getting together, right, no chance.
Speaker 1: And she just handles these dinner table scene was hysterical
Speaker 1: and she gets up and she says, Mom, can I
Speaker 1: talk to you in the conversation in the kitchen and
Speaker 1: it's like, what are you crazy? What are you thinking about?
Speaker 2: My favorite is Richard Like, are you crazy? I'm not
Speaker 2: having more than one drink? And then he's like give
Speaker 2: me a drink, right, I'm going to need to.
Speaker 1: Just hilarious, great stuff. It really is just sort of
Speaker 1: like a really good film. The writing, the acting, This
Speaker 1: is really like top of the line Hollywood film acting.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just so good. Obviously, Emily has eight
Speaker 1: out outdated ideas of what should look like for laural
Speaker 1: I and her good old dad helps her escape the house,
Speaker 1: and that's a good dad. So the question is from
Speaker 1: the producers, would I do that for my daughter? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't have a daughter. I have a son, and
Speaker 1: life gets you know, life can get complicated as your
Speaker 1: children get older. But I would like to say no,
Speaker 1: I would never be that out of tune with my
Speaker 1: own child that I would even be in a situation
Speaker 1: like that. But you know, you never know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know. But yeah, I would definitely do what
Speaker 1: Richard did I for my son, or if I had
Speaker 1: a daughter, Yeah, I'd help her escape a situation like that,
Speaker 1: Like what else can you do? Force her downstairs?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to imagine anyway that that could happen with
Speaker 2: your son. Maybe he goes on a meet someone on
Speaker 2: a dating app and then needs an escape, so he's like, Dad,
Speaker 2: help me.
Speaker 1: But I really think that's the point of the entire scene.
Speaker 1: I mean, we get all this wonderful stuff, all of
Speaker 1: this disconnection and comedy and tension between everybody and that
Speaker 1: scene Chase and the parents and Laura. I I think
Speaker 1: the whole point of the scene was to set up
Speaker 1: that moment between mother and daughter, father and daughter where
Speaker 1: he allows her to escape, doesn't write her out, and
Speaker 1: then has that moment of regret.
Speaker 4: What could which is it?
Speaker 1: Maybe I could have been a better dad, Yeah, you know, right,
Speaker 1: maybe back then I should have been more like I
Speaker 1: am now and defend my.
Speaker 2: Daughter more understanding, Yeah, you know. And the way that
Speaker 2: it arcd from him not even paying attention to her
Speaker 2: being in the newspaper to then, you know, showing a
Speaker 2: little bit of love to her was special.
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful That was a really really rich
Speaker 1: moment in the entire storytelling so far. It was just beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: God writing.
Speaker 2: I think we needed that, like, we needed that empathy
Speaker 2: from one of the parents, you know, because Rory gets
Speaker 2: all the love from the grandparents, and we just needed
Speaker 2: Loralai to have a little bit of love.
Speaker 1: Right. But it's such a just a brief moment, and
Speaker 1: it was so fraught with meaning. It was so filled
Speaker 1: with a lifetime of disappointment and what could have been
Speaker 1: and and regret. He was even questioning his own choices
Speaker 1: back then and how he could why wasn't he a
Speaker 1: better father? It was just such a moment. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know a lot of actors that
Speaker 1: could pull that off. That's why he was so special.
Speaker 1: They gave him. He made that moment full man.
Speaker 2: And with this show, there's just so many small moments.
Speaker 2: If you like, turn your head away, you'll miss it.
Speaker 2: And I love that.
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why people keep rewatching it,
Speaker 1: because every single frame is filled with all of these details.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's just just an amazing show. Okay, so Dean again,
Speaker 1: we're jumping around. I really enjoyed the dinner scene. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a great setup, you know, everything so hard. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was just man spending a lot of dough on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know where did he get that money?
Speaker 1: He's a working man, right, It's true.
Speaker 2: He must have been saving up.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he He works, right, he works at those yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's being you know, very charmingly awkward,
Speaker 1: and you know it's just really really something. Then he
Speaker 1: takes her to the salvage yard and the whole thing
Speaker 1: blows up with the with the ill advised I love you. Yes,
Speaker 1: one in doubt, shut up right right, that's my dad's
Speaker 1: its son. One in doubt. Don't say anything.
Speaker 2: That's great advice.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's hop over to the bonfire. H looks
Speaker 1: like Suki and Jackson are are enjoying each other. That's
Speaker 1: that's very sweet stuff.
Speaker 2: I really loved this scene where no one's speaking. It's
Speaker 2: just the Troubadour playing, which I wish he lasted longer, honestly,
Speaker 2: but they set it up so perfectly where nobody's speaking.
Speaker 2: Laura Lai walks by, she looks at Suki and Jackson,
Speaker 2: and then I feel after that there's like a quick
Speaker 2: combo with Suki and Jackson. Then we moved to Rachel
Speaker 2: taking photos of them, and then you see Lane somberly
Speaker 2: walking by with her date and the parents following. It
Speaker 2: was it flowed perfectly, like you got everything you needed.
Speaker 1: It's just so good. Rachel's taking pictures of the bonfire.
Speaker 1: She sits next to Luke. They have their little conversation,
Speaker 1: pretty heavy conversation right away, so we see that this
Speaker 1: is a deep and meaningful relationship for both of them.
Speaker 1: It went awry for some unknown reason. While she just
Speaker 1: laughed he's heartbroken, but he seems pretty open about giving
Speaker 1: it another shot. So that's the feeling I'm getting, and
Speaker 1: I think she is too. That's why she came back,
Speaker 1: just to sort of take the temperature of the room.
Speaker 1: So anyway, she goes off to get some Founder's Day punch, right,
Speaker 1: Isn't that what she was getting? Founder's Day punch? The
Speaker 1: ever popular Founder's Day punch?
Speaker 2: Is that Miss Patty's punch that made everyone drunk when
Speaker 2: Rory was in college.
Speaker 1: I believe it was, Yeah, I believe it was. I
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but I believe it was, yes. And
Speaker 1: you know, she was asking Luke what's the deal with
Speaker 1: Laurelai this kind of thing. So now we see Luke
Speaker 1: getting a little attention and we haven't seen him like
Speaker 1: this really before, and he doesn't really know if he
Speaker 1: wants her to stay, but I think he kind of does, yeah,
Speaker 1: which further ratches up the tension between Luke and Laureli
Speaker 1: because I think the audience is going, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to get back on that train. Let's let's
Speaker 1: see where that goes. But we're gonna we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a little detour here.
Speaker 2: But I wonder how Luke would have been if Laura
Speaker 2: Lai showed him that attention he needed, or like leaned
Speaker 2: in a little bit more, if he would have still
Speaker 2: picked Rachel, or if he would have been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to explore this instead.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point. I don't know what would have.
Speaker 2: Done, because I mean to the audience where like he
Speaker 2: loves her, he loves Laura Lai, but Rachel was the
Speaker 2: great love of his life. So it's kind of tricky.
Speaker 1: M all right. So Laura I calls Max Medina we're
Speaker 1: at home now, But before she leaves a message, Rory
Speaker 1: walks in and says, with that look on her face, right,
Speaker 1: you can read you can read the expression pretty pretty accurately.
Speaker 1: It says they they broke up, Dean and Dean and
Speaker 1: Rory broke up, and Mom just hugs her and uh,
Speaker 1: let me let me let me ask you this. Why
Speaker 1: do you think Laurel is calling Max? Do you see
Speaker 1: it as a step forward for her or a step back?
Speaker 2: I see it as a response to Luke, Like she
Speaker 2: knows that Luke is pursuing Rachel, and she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to keep feeling alone, so she's calling Max. But also
Speaker 2: in that same sense she's been thinking about them all episode,
Speaker 2: so it could be viewed as a step forward.
Speaker 1: Well, all in all, wonderful episode, so good, really really wonderful.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about before we go. We
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes here about what you're doing now,
Speaker 1: your lifestyle and travel brands. You're building up this sort
Speaker 1: of lifestyle situation for yourself. Tell us about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, my husband, my husband's name is Dean, which
Speaker 2: I love. Ties in with the show. We moved to Colorado.
Speaker 2: We're outside of Aspen and just it's the best being
Speaker 2: a achel that's my magic place. Oh my gosh, it
Speaker 2: is so magical. We wake up to like thirty elk
Speaker 2: in our yard, yes, deer and oh it's it's the best.
Speaker 2: So still traveling a bit, but we're also trying to
Speaker 2: have kids, so we're cutting back a little bit and
Speaker 2: trying to focus on that. But life is fun in Colorado.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: You big skier.
Speaker 2: This is my fourth season. My husband has been skiing
Speaker 2: since he was two, so he's trying to teach me,
Speaker 2: but it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: As he does he where does he take it? Does
Speaker 1: he take you to Ajax or buttermilk? I hope buttermilk.
Speaker 2: I love buttermilk. Buttermilk or snow Mass. He says, I'm
Speaker 2: not good enough for Ajax or Aspen Mountain yet, so
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ajax is steep and it's too.
Speaker 2: Much of a party scene too. I just I like buttermilk,
Speaker 2: but well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, buttermilk is yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's just I actually ran into j Lo there
Speaker 2: two weeks ago and I was like, you're at our
Speaker 2: local mountain.
Speaker 1: That's surprising, right, Well, everybody puts their kids in ski
Speaker 1: school there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what she was. She was putting her son
Speaker 2: in everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, such a great place. Four Mountain take your pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, high Lands and Snowmouths. It's just such a
Speaker 1: great place.
Speaker 2: And we're just twenty minutes so we can like pop
Speaker 2: in for lunch and come out. It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, it's perfect. Yeah. We've been going out there
Speaker 1: for twenty five years. Yeah. Oh wow. We go every winter.
Speaker 1: We spend as much time out there as we possibly
Speaker 1: can go in summer too. They say, you know, the
Speaker 1: winners will get you there, but the summers will keep
Speaker 1: you there. Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, we got married in the fall and we had
Speaker 2: been out in the summer, and so after our wedding,
Speaker 2: I was like, we're moving. I can't, I can't live
Speaker 2: anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Oh? Really, were you in La?
Speaker 2: We were in La for a bit and then we
Speaker 2: moved to Vegas to save money in taxes, right, and
Speaker 2: then we moved here. Good, it's good for you, best
Speaker 2: place in the world.
Speaker 1: Good for you. And you don't have any issues like
Speaker 1: with mud season or or anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, we're kind of high up the mountain, but not
Speaker 2: in a scary way, right, so we feel pretty protected
Speaker 2: the only air of fires.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Well but anyway,
Speaker 1: so tell us tell us a little bit more about
Speaker 1: your your lifestyle, Bran, How are you building that up
Speaker 1: through social media? You're traveling a lot, You're doing the videos,
Speaker 1: You're doing sponsorships, all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: A lot of social media. A lot of time is
Speaker 2: spent behind my laptop even when we are traveling, just editing.
Speaker 2: And we used to have a podcast with iHeart that
Speaker 2: is no longer but hopefully starting a new one soon
Speaker 2: with just my husband and I.
Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Just fun random things here and there. But right now
Speaker 2: our main focus is on children, so figuring out it's
Speaker 2: it's taken a long time. We've been trying for six months,
Speaker 2: so just uh.
Speaker 1: Hanging to your kids, hang in there, It'll happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's weird when you have that intent, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: take a while. And it's also interesting that you know
Speaker 1: when you're not thinking about all of.
Speaker 2: A sudden bo that's what Web says. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's take the pressure.
Speaker 1: Off, right right, right, it'll happen. Yeah, Well, where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What's your Instagram handle? So people go
Speaker 1: go check out your your Instagram page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people can find me on at Kailan Bell just
Speaker 2: my first name and last name. I love to read.
Speaker 2: I pretty much post a lot about books and shows
Speaker 2: that I love, like Gilmore Girls. So yeah, Kaalan Bell
Speaker 2: on all platforms.
Speaker 1: Live in the Dream out in Colorado out one of
Speaker 1: the most beautiful spots on the planet. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that is that is such a beautiful place out there.
Speaker 1: The people that originally discovered that it was an old
Speaker 1: silver mining town, you know, they really knew what they
Speaker 1: were doing when they when they said let's turn this
Speaker 1: into a ski resort. I mean, you get to the top.
Speaker 1: Have you been to the top of HX and seeing
Speaker 1: maroon bells in a sunny day. Oh yes, take your
Speaker 1: breath away.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It is. It is an amazing place. It never gets old,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come there tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh when do you come? Let us know. I feel
Speaker 2: like you and my husband would hit it off.
Speaker 1: Oh man, he can ski his ass off. Huh yes, good,
Speaker 1: then he can hang with us. Yeah, because I ski
Speaker 1: with locals and I'm like, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh he'll take you back country?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I know these are serious dudes. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like these are serious backcountry people.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I My entire workout is geared toward keeping up with
Speaker 1: these guys when I get out there.
Speaker 2: Just a lot of ski conditioning. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's like the pressure's on because man, they'll leave you behind.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you better keep up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and they go man, And it's scary. Yes, it's really scary.
Speaker 1: But anyway, lovely chatting with you, Good luck with everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and uh yeah, let's hope you get another
Speaker 1: I hope you get a podcast. You know that'd be
Speaker 1: fair you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun job you have.
Speaker 1: It's not bad. It's not bad, Kaylin Bell. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for your time and for breaking it down
Speaker 1: with us. Okay, take care of everybody out there. Thanks
Speaker 1: for download and remember where you lead, we will follow.
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