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Speaker 1: This episode contains sensitive topics. Listener, discretion is a vice?

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Speaker 1: What's a professional? Homegirls? Is she girl? Ebinez here? And

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Speaker 1: I hope Paul is cute. Now on this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna throw it back to one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: conversations from season one. Okay that's like almost two years ago,

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Speaker 1: where we talked to our girl about her journey on

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Speaker 1: being a black cowgirl. You know, this episode was just

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Speaker 1: so amazing, very informative because not only did she share

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Speaker 1: her journey on what it means to be a black

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Speaker 1: cowgirl in today's world, but she also explored the rich

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Speaker 1: and often overlooked legacy of black equestrians and you know,

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Speaker 1: as us some real questions like I wanted to know this.

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Speaker 1: She think that yiha agenda was performative and you know,

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Speaker 1: what does it truly mean to center blackness and and

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Speaker 1: culture because often when they talk about cowboys, they don't

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Speaker 1: include us, Okay, especially the women. And also she opened

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Speaker 1: up about her experience as a single mother of four

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Speaker 1: even though I know she stays with a man, and

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Speaker 1: her frustrations with a lack of representation and clothing and gear,

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Speaker 1: and then also just an emotional burnout that came with

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Speaker 1: feeling disconnected from her identity and community, especially in the

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Speaker 1: face of gentrification. So I just really enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 1: And another reason why I thought it was important for

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Speaker 1: us to revisit this conversation is because your girl is

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Speaker 1: heading to Paris this week for the first time ever

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Speaker 1: to see Beyonce perform on June tienth for her Cowboy

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Speaker 1: Carter tour. Okay, and when I tell y'all, I am

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Speaker 1: so excited, like I better see Blue Roomy and Josephine

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Speaker 1: Baker in that stadium. Okay, but for real real, I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to eat, I can't wait to drink, just overall,

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Speaker 1: just soak in all the beauty and culture that Paris

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Speaker 1: has to offer, Okay, especially Black Paris. Like I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to fill you all in. You know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do a special episode dedicated to my experience in Paris.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just super excited. And also I'm just super thankful,

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Speaker 1: like I can't wait to share with y'all with so

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Speaker 1: many different changes and updates that's gonna be taking place

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Speaker 1: with us. But in the meantime, say a little prayer

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Speaker 1: that your girl meet a kind, generous.

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Speaker 2: Given man while I'm out there.

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Speaker 1: Okay because my outfits, baby, when I tell you, I

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Speaker 1: am on point with it, like y'all, I cannot wait

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Speaker 1: for you all to see. Please make sure to follow

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Speaker 1: me at the Professional Homegirl on all social media platforms

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Speaker 1: because your girl's about to be serving looks okay. And

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Speaker 1: last but not least, thank you think you think you?

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone who supported me doing this hiatus,

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Speaker 1: you know, to those who have sent me gifts for

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Speaker 1: my Amazon wishless thank you you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I am just truly grateful. You know I have so

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Speaker 1: much to read thanks to you all because you know

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Speaker 1: you know I love to read. So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to support your girl like I say,

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Speaker 1: buy me a coffee because y'all know I love me

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Speaker 1: some coffee.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how people operate when I was drinking

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Speaker 1: coffee like, I just don't. But AnyWho, I really do

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Speaker 1: hope that you all enjoyed this week's episode, So please

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Speaker 1: get ready because I am a black How girl starts now?

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Speaker 1: So to my guess, how you feeling? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 3: After the hour that we just spent troubleshooted. I'm surprised

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Speaker 3: that I'm still awake.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: We literally just spent like an hour trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out why this audio was not working. But we are here.

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Speaker 1: My guess is about to go to sleep. She got

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Speaker 1: But no, Seriously, I have been stalking our guests for

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Speaker 3: I think at this point it has been months. We're

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Speaker 1: But then here we are, y'all. So I'm super exasy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Because the stories of black cowgirls and cowboys are often

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Speaker 2: Documentation.

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Speaker 3: I think that there was not enough documentation when certain

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Speaker 2: Facts facts, they say, Okay, there was there.

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Speaker 3: It started out with black jockeys, okay, and we have

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Speaker 2: We have more than like twenty names.

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Speaker 3: But where are all the pictures, you know, like for

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Speaker 3: I found that was about like black cowboys, black equestrians,

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Speaker 2: It didn't even mention women. So it didn't mention any

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Speaker 3: Don't know if it was like documentation and because it

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you're a woman, Like what do you know

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Speaker 3: Where you know about doing whatever with horses or women

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Speaker 2: So I really think it boils down to documentation.

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Speaker 3: No, and I have a book on Oliver Lewis, But

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Speaker 3: Like where is that stuff at?

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Speaker 2: Who has it right? Right?

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Speaker 3: I swear they have better documentation of horse bloodlines than

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Speaker 1: You see, you know how these people feel about these animals.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one of my words, they cool. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 2: have been documenting horse stuff, pedigrees and all of that,

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Speaker 2: But why we document this other stuff, you know? And

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Speaker 3: It just really sucks to me that somebody could let, like,

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Speaker 2: You know what, let's put it into this, right, It

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Speaker 2: now sits to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's actually a good idea for maybe you

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Speaker 3: And so I actually have a collection of every published

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Speaker 3: It was just like one picture is if it's black

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Speaker 3: total number is very very close to sixty, but it's

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Speaker 2: That's just one series. There's multiple series that are.

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Speaker 3: Like that, but us in books with horses, there's only

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are your thoughts on how black as

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Speaker 1: questrians are portrayed in the media, because for the longest,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just a little bit on my background. I am.

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Speaker 2: I was born and raised on a horse farm.

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Speaker 3: So the moment I came into this world, I automatically

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Speaker 3: we did trail rides, and our trail rides were like

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Speaker 1: Let's get in, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the things that I know.

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Speaker 3: They don't know the things that people like my dad knows,

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Speaker 3: like the old hiss and a lot of our old

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Speaker 3: heads on trail rids. I mean, I'm just speaking just

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Speaker 3: My dad, my uncle, they used to collect stories. We

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Speaker 3: It's called Black Trolls Magazine and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's so unfortunate that they're only

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Speaker 3: seeing the people who have the social media presence. Like

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Speaker 3: you're not really seeing those old country talking or rigging

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Speaker 2: Making it work. You're not seeing them. You're seeing somebody.

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Speaker 3: That's polished up, taking photos doing stuff like not.

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Speaker 1: For I feel like, I know who you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: But it's a lot of them. But that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of them. And I've been behind the

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Speaker 3: much work it is. So recently I just started going

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Speaker 3: Instagram live like a lot while I'm doing farm chores,

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Speaker 3: and people are like, dang, and like, I didn't know

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Speaker 3: y'all think I was out here doing just taking pictures

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Speaker 1: Well, that's one reason why I really want you on

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Speaker 3: So, and it's wild because we already had the horses

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been exposed to both, and it's that we

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Speaker 1: You don't know what you don't know. Yeah, like most

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the boonies or what we call like you you

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Speaker 1: On top of it already coins.

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Speaker 3: Enslaved our ancestors and enslaved black people. If they were

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Speaker 3: Now, the only thing I will say about these movie situations,

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Speaker 3: But that has always been my issue. How me being included?

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Speaker 2: How does that help them keep their land? How does

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Speaker 3: And I had seen that anywhere, So that was my

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Speaker 2: I didn't see anything else. I didn't see anything for kids,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see anything for adults. It was like okay,

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Speaker 3: And then the directors like they had a heavy presence

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and where and left right right, Like okay,

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Speaker 1: So the eha agenda y'all has gained popularity on social

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And again I say that because I personally know

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Speaker 3: But it's like, dang, what about the people who taught us,

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Speaker 3: I haven't even seen much of Little Nights x like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because at the time I was teaching with kids

441
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: and it was just kids was singing yes. So it's

442
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 3: like where we're not at, Like okay, like you you

443
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 3: put your cowboy hat down. That's of all I don't

444
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: even wear a cowgirl hat, like I just started wearing

445
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: it recently because pictures in public. Right, I'm reading to

446
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: like little kids, because most times I'm wearing a helmet.

447
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: I can't wear a helmet on the top of my

448
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: cowgirl hat, even though they do make an helment that

449
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: is like a cowboy hat.

450
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: I just don't like how it looks.

451
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: But but you feel like the esthetic of a calgirl

452
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: has evolved as well. Yes, So I'm glad you said that,

453
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: So I listen. I did my research.

454
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: Now.

455
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I was like to you, So I used.

456
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: To do Rodeo relay and I remember googling like black

457
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: cowgirl and the only thing that popped up was black

458
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: cowgirl boots, black chaps, black clothes, black hats. That's what

459
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: popped up. It wasn't actual.

460
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 2: Black people, right right.

461
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: So definitely has evolved, and you know, it's it's it's

462
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: moved like some people put their own, you know, their

463
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: own playing to it, their own style. But I remember

464
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: when it used to just be like naked women and

465
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 3: cowgirl hats and and panties, and it was like that

466
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: was what a cowgirl is. And it's like, okay, this

467
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: is this waltry stuff is not what you wear when

468
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: you're out with horses, even though you can. But that's

469
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: not realistic. Yeah, that real nothing and nothing against that.

470
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: But again, those people who were dressing like that, they

471
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: were like models, and they were doing it for modeling.

472
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: They were doing it because they were actually around horses

473
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 3: and of course ill to men. So yes, it has evolved,

474
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: and I love it because it's like how how nobody

475
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: can like nobody. It's like the word equestrian. Equestrian is

476
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the umbrella turn. It literally means someone who rides or

477
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: performs on horseback.

478
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: That's the textbook definition.

479
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: But I always tell kids that they're equestrians because to me,

480
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: it's just like you love horses, you're around horses, whether

481
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: you sat on a horse or you overcame your fear

482
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: of even touching a horse. I just feel like they're

483
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: all equestrians. And people go back and forth between old equestrian, cowboy, cowgirl,

484
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: oh blah blah. It's so many words. And then I

485
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: at one point I was set up and I just saying,

486
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: horse folk, like, we're not about to have beef over

487
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: these words.

488
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: Right right? You know you? Also, I think I was

489
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: reading something that you. I think he was interviewed for

490
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: something or something with something you was including. And you

491
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: also brought up the issue of lack of representation and

492
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: gear and what ways do you feel the industry falls

493
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: short when the concept providing inclusive gear for black how girls?

494
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, I didn't even think about that,

495
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: because you know, we were we we have brains, we

496
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: have natural hair fro And I'm like, I can't even

497
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: imagine you not wanting the rye and you're not able

498
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: to fully protect yourself like you should.

499
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely with with the helmet situation. And it's so

500
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: interesting anytime a black person brings up helmets because somebody

501
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: will say, well, football players have have locks, football players

502
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: have blocks, but guess what, they researched and created helmets

503
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: that protect them with their locks, with their different shaped heads.

504
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: They have yet to do that within the equestrian industry.

505
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: And when I started talking about it, now only did

506
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: other black people, other black equestrians started to talk about

507
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: how they couldn't find the helmets that fit. It was

508
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: other racest talking about like Asian for example. Asian equestrians

509
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: were reaching out to me. They're like, our heads are

510
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: naturally shaped a certain way.

511
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Helmets do not get it.

512
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: No, like having smaller heads. Right, Oh, they were just

513
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: like people.

514
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I get so many messages or have gotten

515
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: so many messages of people just saying this is an

516
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: issue for me too, you.

517
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: Know, like it's just.

518
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: It's really a lot of non white people. And then

519
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: the white people that did say they had issues with helmets,

520
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: it was mainly ladies that had really curly hair and

521
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: like like thick and curly hair, or they might have

522
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: had thin hair and it kind of like a narrow

523
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: and a narrow head or something like that. So they

524
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: just need to do a lot more research and studies

525
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: on helmets in general, which I have found a helmet

526
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: that I like.

527
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: I do like it.

528
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: It's really adjustable, but I would like to see some

529
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: actual research because you know, if you put a baby

530
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: in a car seat with a coat on, like a

531
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: winter coat, and if you adjust a car seat with

532
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: them in the coat, if there's an impact, the coat

533
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: will flatten, so then it's not really protecting because it'll

534
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: be loose. So my thinking is, if I push my

535
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: afro into my helmet impact, what happens to my hair?

536
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: Does my hair flattened right or its cushion. You know

537
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Well, survive, Yeah, then I wonna survive.

538
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: So I would like for them to put an afro

539
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: on a test dummy and see what happened.

540
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Right.

541
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: Put some micro not nobody wear microbrais nomore, Put some

542
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: braids on that on the test dummy and see what

543
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: happens because we don't know, like nobody knows.

544
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: Damn.

545
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I used to love me some micro breaks.

546
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: It had them faithfully sitting in the salon all day.

547
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: No. I used to go to my homegirl house in

548
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: the hood. Her name was Stephanica, and she said to

549
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: be doing my hair from sun up to sundown.

550
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Yo, all day, just sitting there in your hair done right.

551
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Another good point that you made was that all body

552
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: types and disabilities are not given the same space to

553
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: drive in an equestrian world, which I thought was fucked up.

554
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: It really is, because you know, there are people always

555
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I hate those comments when people are commenting on people's

556
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: weights and they're like that you're too big to be

557
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: on that horse, And it's like, first of all, if

558
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: anybody was too big to be on any horse, that

559
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: horse is gonna let you know oh, either it's on

560
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: this collapse, its legs is gonna buckle up up under it.

561
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: It's gonna buck, try to buck like I feel like

562
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: the horse will let you know. Also, everybody isn't always

563
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: too big for the horse. The horse might be trained,

564
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, horses are athletic. Might you know

565
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: they might have some sort of exercise regimen where they

566
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: keep up with that horse and make it comfortable. So

567
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: I think when situations like that happen, they just want

568
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: a fat shame and call people games and stuff like that.

569
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: And then with disabilities in general, I know our farm

570
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: is not accessible to anybody that's in a wheelchair. Not

571
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: all people who are in a wheelchair are like paralyzed

572
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, Like we don't always know like

573
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: why they're in a wheelchair. But I've been at therapeutic

574
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: riding centers where they had like certain ramps so that

575
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: people could get on. But again, those are therapeutic riding centers.

576
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: Not everybody that's in a wheelchair needs that. So it's

577
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: just like thinking about when I go to different farms,

578
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 3: if somebody in a wheelchair were to come here at

579
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: the front of our barn, like they were literally to

580
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: we would have to give them like a detour to

581
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: get into the barn because at the of our barn

582
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: it's rained so much, it's created a And then another

583
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 3: thing with disabilities is people just are not super considerate. Yeah,

584
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: you know, because not all disabilities can be seen, and

585
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: not all people feel like super comfortable.

586
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, especially in this ghetto ass world and.

587
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: Talking about it. So it all, it all depends. But

588
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: I think it's so unfortunate. And even people who want

589
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: to be around horses, but maybe they have anxiety. But yeah,

590
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: sometimes we aren't super considerate because I know, like with me,

591
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: I'll be in my own world. I try not to

592
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: deal with adults too much. I love working with kids.

593
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't have too much against adults. But sometimes sometimes

594
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: they're so afraid and I'm like, this is ain't gonna

595
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: do nothing to you. And if it was, like, why

596
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: would I put myself in that situation so you can

597
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: sue me.

598
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.

599
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: I went to I think it was close toa Rica,

600
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: and we did a trail with the horses. I had

601
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: like this little white little pony and I ain't gonna lie.

602
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: She was very strong because I was so nervous and

603
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: we had like that. We had we had to like

604
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: hike up a mountain or something.

605
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: Oh.

606
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: When I tell you, I was proud. I was like, Cocaine,

607
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: please do not drop me.

608
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: No, first of all, hiking up any mountain and you

609
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: don't ride horses on their regular now, that's scary.

610
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: The girl, when I tell you, I was freaking out.

611
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I had named her Cocaine. I was like, Cocaine please.

612
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: I was like please, girl, can we And she was

613
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: going up the mountain. I was like, good girl, like

614
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: because I can feel her. And horses are very powerful,

615
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: they very animals. So I was like, girl, you're not

616
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna Christopher readze me Like, oh my god.

617
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: And you know what, I didn't even know who that

618
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: was until people started telling me like they were afraid

619
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: of horses because of what happened.

620
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: To him, and yeah, horse superman up you. So I

621
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: had to google and I was like, oh my gosh.

622
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my gosh.

623
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh he went round like and a horse does

624
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: something knocked hi mom, and he broke his neck. He's paralyzed.

625
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the other thing in horses.

626
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: It is dangerous to be around horses and That's another

627
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: part of why I really am like, okay, creating that

628
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: safe and positive environment. You need the proper education. Yeah,

629
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: because it's not fair. For it's not fair, and I

630
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: say this in a lot of my videos. It's not

631
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: fair for people to reach out to me and say

632
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: they wished I lived closer to them, to say they

633
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: wish they lived closer to me, because they literally cannot

634
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: find anywhere that's not racist so that they can take their.

635
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Kids to learn about horses.

636
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: And that sucks because it's like, no parent wants to

637
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: put their kid in a situation where they might not

638
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: be taken seriously and they might not be.

639
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Looked after like the other kids.

640
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a horse could knock you out with its

641
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: head like a horse.

642
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

643
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, come on, cocaine, Like I

644
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: got things.

645
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: To do, Like.

646
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: We get up this mountain.

647
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: Were getting up this mountain, baby girl. I also came

648
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: across this question that you're constantly asked about on the

649
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: reasons why you put black in front of cowgirl all

650
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: the time, and I just be like, I know it

651
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: is because when they say don't read the comments, and

652
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: I get to reading the comments, that's what normally that's

653
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: what the comments are. Like a lot of times it

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: is people saying, oh, that's wonderful news. And I'm specifically

655
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: talking about articles that came out and they're like the

656
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: black cowgirl.

657
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: But sometimes there are oh my gosh. I remember when Adobe.

658
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: I just went Adobe and they were like, why do

659
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: you have to say the black cowgirl? Why can't you

660
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: just say cowgirl? First of all?

661
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: Your only comment and to make that comment, like you

662
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 3: could have been like, oh, that's amazing what she's doing.

663
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: But their only comment is to say that, like.

664
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: Or you to say anything.

665
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't have to say you just kept strolling.

666
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: So it's so interesting and so I've explained it and

667
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm just like, y'all, I'm black, right, we can see that.

668
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: I don't see you better see my color because no,

669
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: that's not what we're going to do, because I think

670
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: my black is beautiful. Come on, it's like, I'm black.

671
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: And then I didn't want to use the word equestrian.

672
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 3: Have you heard five year olds, six year olds, seven

673
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: year olds try to pronounce certain words. I didn't want

674
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: to use black equestrians. So I just kept it with

675
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: simple black cowgirl, super simple. Because when I showed up

676
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: because I was doing a lot of readings at schools,

677
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: readings about black cowboys, and I would dressed up like

678
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 3: now that's when I would wear like a cowgirl hat

679
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: and I would dress up in full cowboy yeah after that,

680
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: like calgro like that maybe the way shells. I'm telling you,

681
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: I'll be wearing a helmet. I'm in my bonding at

682
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: the farm, I had something. Anyway, they would be like, oh,

683
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: it's a cowgirl.

684
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: So are there any particular cowgirls like cowboys who inspire

685
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: you or who you look up to.

686
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: That I look up to you. That's a great question.

687
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Like who's your go to calgirl cowboy?

688
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, please forgive me in advance if I

689
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: pronounce her name wrong. The actor Pam Grier, her last

690
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: name gert Ye. I didn't know that if she has

691
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: a background in like veterinarian science and all of this

692
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: awesome stuff.

693
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: So when I found that out, I was like, Oh,

694
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: she's just she's awesome and she's.

695
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: Bad too, so that's what's up.

696
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: Yes, And then so Dad O'Brien, she rides English, but

697
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: I just think that it's me she rides English, So

698
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: there's there's English and there's Western. Western is what you

699
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 3: see in like the Cowboy movies. They have a seattle

700
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: that has like a horn on it. It's a heavier,

701
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: it looks it looks hairy, heavier. Well, it's a heavier saddle.

702
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: And then the English shaddow doesn't have a horn on it,

703
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: and it's totally different, Like the stirrups are different, the

704
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: way the saddles are made. It's totally it's two different styles.

705
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: So Soladad O'Brien rides English, and so it's like these

706
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: ladies are in they're not thirties and they're horses. They're

707
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: older women riding horses, And I just think that it's

708
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: so amazing because a lot of times can be cool. Yeah,

709
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: when we were on trail rides, there were not a

710
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: lot of women riding, right, Like my cousin rode horses

711
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: and my dad's friend his daughter rode horses, and it

712
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: was like we're the only girls out here, Like it

713
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: might be some girls like every now and then, but

714
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: it was mainly men. So to see you riding, I

715
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: think that's pretty dope. But as far as like anybody else,

716
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: I don't really have that many role models like that.

717
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: When it comes to this horse stuff. Like I'm inspired

718
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: when I see, you know, on social media people posting

719
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: and continuing their education and stuff. And then in my

720
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: actual real life, like I just love being around our

721
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: trail ride atmosphere because I mean I grew up in it,

722
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, Like that's always the thing I wanted to do.

723
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: Like kids probably wanted to go to the movies or

724
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: go to the skating rink or something. I was ready

725
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 3: to go to the trail ride, to be at the

726
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 3: trail ride with my horses, even though I was super shy,

727
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: but I just always just felt comfortable just doing that.

728
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: So do you engage with or connect with the other

729
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: cowgirls within the community.

730
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's wild because we are all spread out.

731
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like y'all all over the place.

732
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

733
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: Some of the ladies I know on our Trail Rock

734
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: circuit who do amazing work in the community, they like

735
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: maybe like an hour or so away from me. So

736
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 3: it's not like anybody is really in my backyard. Like

737
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: it's like I'm here, somebody's over there. There's a girl

738
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: out in Charlotte that's doing some stuff that's like two

739
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: hours inster Changed for me. So nobody is like really

740
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: right here where we could be like, hey, let's meet up.

741
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: Like I don't have that right now, right, And I mean,

742
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: it is what it is.

743
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: But I guess it's also a good thing because there's

744
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: representation in different places in North k and then I

745
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: know a lot of my support and it's so odd,

746
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: like I don't know why comes from California.

747
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Really yes, and I'm just like you' are so far away.

748
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is.

749
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, like weighing on me when I'm like, dang,

750
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 3: I really need some help and reading comments and people

751
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: are like I would love to help, but I live

752
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: in Michigan.

753
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: I live in California.

754
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

755
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: I was just about to answer that, because when it

756
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: comes to the ranch and all of these animals you have,

757
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: you're the only one that's taking care of them.

758
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: Right up, it's me.

759
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: So what does like a typical day look like? Because

760
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot.

761
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: Oh, it is a lot. So Okay, I get up

762
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: in the morning, I.

763
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Go, what's time? You wake up?

764
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: Real quick?

765
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: By either five or six. Between five and seven, I'm

766
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: out the door most days, probably six o'clock I'm out

767
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: the door. So I get up and I go and

768
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: feed everybody that's in the stalls in the barn. So

769
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: there's six horses that are in the stalls daily, they

770
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: do get turned out. I just I have a horse,

771
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: Rainbow and Peaches. Peaches is a miniature horse, so I'll

772
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: just let them out and let them eat grass around

773
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: the farm and then bring them back in and let

774
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: man Man. He's a he's a miniature horse, but he's

775
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: a stud, so him and Peaches can't be out at

776
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: the same time, so I'll let him out. And yes,

777
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: I don't want a baby. And she's a baby. She's

778
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: only a baby, she's only nine months.

779
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Not the horses outside.

780
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: He might try it, but so yeah, I feed the

781
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: horses that are in the barn, feed the goats and

782
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: the sheep, sweep the barn out.

783
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: Our barn is very long, so sweep that entire out.

784
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: You have a big ass barn.

785
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: Too, Yes, it is huge. And then give everybody water.

786
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: And I give him order twice because most times it's

787
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: empty in the morning when I get there. They drunk

788
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: it all overnight, so I fill it up once and

789
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: then fill it up again because they probably drunk all

790
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: of it.

791
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: And check the.

792
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: Horses in the pasture and make sure they have water,

793
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: feed the pig. One of my pigs is locked up

794
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: right now, get offence up, just until we get a

795
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: fence that she can't get out of. One of my

796
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: other pigs, he's just roaming around. Oh, and then I

797
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: have to clean the stalls. Now, cleaning the stalls is

798
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: what takes the most time because I at the moment,

799
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: I don't have a tractor, and I have to go

800
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: into each stall. It's kind of like the stalls have

801
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 3: sawdust in it. So just imagine a giant kitty litter

802
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: box and you know, you just scoop it out. That's

803
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: what I do for each of the stalls. And so

804
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: then I had to dump it. And our manure mountain

805
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: is like around the corner from the barn. So you

806
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: gotta put the manure like scoop all the manure out

807
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: of the stall, put it in the wheelbarrow, push the wh.

808
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: And then come back and then do the next all.

809
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: And then some days I have to take everything out

810
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: of the stalls called dripping, and then put new sawdust in.

811
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: And I do all this by hand, like I do

812
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: not use machinery. Because you got four babies, yes, and

813
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: I have four girls. So at some point in that

814
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: morning routine. I come back home, wake them up, the

815
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: little ones, get a bath, everybody gets dressed, drop them

816
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: all off at school, and then come back and finish.

817
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: So I ain't trying to be in your business or anything,

818
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: but how do you make money?

819
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: So this summer, well, I've been doing it multiple summers.

820
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: Hod I do summer camps, the color and book. I

821
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: used to do corspect riding lessons a lot more than

822
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: what I am doing now. Now I have restructured my

823
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: riding academy and the goal isn't to focus on riding.

824
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: The goal is to focus on horse welfare so that

825
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: horses don't end up like the horses that we used

826
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: to take care of when I was little, because sometimes

827
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: we would take in people's horses because they could no

828
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: longer take care of them or they just less. And

829
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: then I bought a horse a year ago who was

830
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: like skin and bones, and I never I never want

831
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: a kid that was taught by me to not know

832
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: what to do and to not ask for help. So

833
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: that's how I make my money off of that. I

834
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: did have an overnight job at the beginning of the year,

835
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: but I couldnot stay awake and I was terrible.

836
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: I ended up being plated.

837
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: You got fired.

838
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: No, I just left.

839
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: Because I got falling asleep. And then when we're on break,

840
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: I would just I would be sleeping. I'll always come

841
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: back like ten minutes late, and I'm like, y'all, I'm sleepy.

842
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: No, So how do you buy everything? Because you're are

843
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: you a single mother?

844
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: Yes?

845
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: So you ad a mother for you have this growing farm,

846
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: had you're an entrepreneur, like you're well known in the community. Like,

847
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: how are you balancing everything? I am running off a fuse, Like,

848
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you get burned out, which is not.

849
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: A good thing, you know.

850
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: Like the biggest task definitely is trying to find that balance.

851
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: And so we moved. So had our childhood home renovated because.

852
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 3: It had mold in the walls and stuff like that,

853
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: and we moved in at the beginning.

854
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: We wait, we.

855
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: Moved in last year. I still have no like, there

856
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: are still things that I need. My bathroom isn't even finished.

857
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: We don't even have you don't.

858
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Have mirrors in the bathroom. I got one mirror in

859
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: the house and that's on my dresser. So it's like

860
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: there's always something to do. So I'm just always getting

861
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: stuff done. But I'm gonna, like, I don't know, I'm

862
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: hoping to, hopefully after this month, find someone who can

863
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: come and help with the kids on a consistent basis

864
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: so that I can be like, Okay, let me tackle

865
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: this and slowly.

866
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: Make my way, because right now it is wild. Even

867
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: though I do have.

868
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: A schedule, you know, and I have my routine, just

869
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: trying really hard to just polish it up a little

870
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: bit more so that so that it's more consistency, because

871
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: the most the thing is me feeding the animals like

872
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: I have to, and I have to do it at

873
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: certain times my kids bedtime, even though as they did tonight,

874
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: they wanted to come and give me a hug.

875
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Wait, so you ain't. Ain't no fine black cowboys where

876
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: you at?

877
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Maybe they're all too fine and everybody

878
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: want them.

879
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that could be it. That could be it.

880
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: Shoot, I think that might be the problem.

881
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, cowboys are in too.

882
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: So that part because you know somebody, I think somebody

883
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: messaged me on TikTok and they were like, can you

884
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: introduce me?

885
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: Introduce you back here? I'm looking for myself, right.

886
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: I used to make come and take care of this

887
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: household shit, right.

888
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: Come build met a chicken coop, right, not chicken coop?

889
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: Cash your fices up right, So I'll go ahead, We'll

890
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: see me, Especially when men like I don't think that

891
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: they realize that, like I be at the barn, you know,

892
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 3: like and how I'm I meet somebody if I'm at

893
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: the barn.

894
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: Well what they don't do for fun?

895
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Because you can't be at the bar twenty four.

896
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: Seven, You ain't gonna be no man, not that people

897
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: can that part. I approchet.

898
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: You need to go outside when yeah, with some cowboy

899
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: boost on a little mini skirt and find you a

900
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: man ship. You too cute to myself this.

901
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: Part, But I I do, I do need to get

902
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: out like that. It's so funy. They're gonna get to

903
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: this part and be like child everybody going through it.

904
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: But I'm hoping to. I'm hoping to just to have

905
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: some more fun. But trail rides used to be my thing,

906
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: like just going used to bag them at.

907
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I gotta go on the trail to

908
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: get a nigga.

909
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you on the trail ride all over you, that.

910
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: Would be all over you are pro showing back outside

911
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: of dating. So I'm like, I need need a good

912
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: black fire man. I'm in New York.

913
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I've been going to New York.

914
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 3: I can't release while I'm going there yet, but I'll

915
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: be going to New York in October for some.

916
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Hit me up, let's go out. They can go to

917
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: a bar together.

918
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm serious, hit me up, pay will.

919
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: I think I'll be there for like three days. But

920
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: it's something that's really special and I'm super excited. But

921
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: they told me I can't say anything until they make

922
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: a press release.

923
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: So well, if you can bring a plus one, I

924
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: want to come.

925
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited. Oh yeah, we used to have it.

926
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: We used to have a trail ride in New York.

927
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: Like these are the things that I'm talking about, Like

928
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: there's so much history and our trail ride circuit on

929
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: the East Coast. Yeah.

930
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, the the Federation of Black Cowboys, they're in

931
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: New York and I'm pretty sure some of them are

932
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: still there.

933
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: But they did used to host an annual trail ride

934
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: in New York.

935
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: That was one of the coolest things, you know, to

936
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: be able to witness, right, But yeah, and then the

937
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: something and I don't know if you were even going

938
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: to say this, but something that people say, like, oh,

939
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: well she doesn't have cows.

940
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: I don't have cows, and think about that. Why ain't

941
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: got no cows?

942
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: We had cows at one point, but cow fences and

943
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: horse fences, like we could put up some string and

944
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: some poles and the horses are not going to get

945
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: out of it, because when the horse feels like they're

946
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: in something, they're like, Okay, I'm in this, unless they're

947
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: a rebel and they like challenge it. But you do

948
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: have to have certain type of fences to keep cows,

949
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: and you need space for cows. And I don't think

950
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: we ever had like enough space to have horses and

951
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: cows all in the same thing. But somebody did just

952
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: give me some cows. So now I got cows, but

953
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: they're not here yet.

954
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: You eat meat.

955
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do, but not.

956
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: I don't eat beef and I don't eat pork, but

957
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: I would tear out some chicken wings.

958
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: So what are some of the biggest lessons you learned

959
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: from working with animals, especially horses?

960
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: Oh, patients and my horse, Rainbow, the one that I

961
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: bought a year ago, she's teaching me even more patients

962
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: because sometimes I do get frustrated with her because she

963
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: horses going heat and she want a baby so bad,

964
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: but I cannot. No, So when horses going heat, I

965
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: don't know the technical term for this, and I never

966
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: thought to look it up, but they actually like this

967
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: liquid comes this fluid comes out of like nut.

968
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: No, like I don't even know what baby if I see.

969
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: Some liquirts out.

970
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: Yes, and.

971
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: She wants a baby so bad because she's in heat

972
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: and her hormones are like breed me. But I can't

973
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: bread her because she isn't at her ideal wait, because

974
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: it takes a long.

975
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: Time for horses to grow to I.

976
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: Mean, to gain weight. And when I got her, like

977
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: I said, she was just skin and bones. So I

978
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: cannot I cannot in my right mind like breed her.

979
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: And she gets pregnant because the baby could take so

980
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: much from her.

981
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: So like, let's finish, you know.

982
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Getting you back to where you need to be. And

983
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: after that, if everything is good to go, but not

984
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: right now.

985
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna breed her with stuck.

986
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yep.

987
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: Eventually if everything is okay, I definitely will. Yeah, So

988
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: it is what was the question I never forgot? Lord?

989
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: Well, when you said, I asked you what was some

990
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: of the things that working with animals taught you or horses,

991
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: but you said patience.

992
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so patients.

993
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: Because I'll let her out and let her free roam

994
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: and eat grass around the farm, and then when I

995
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: go get her, she don't want to come on, not girl,

996
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: come own because I can't leave her out because she'll

997
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 3: go and stand in front of the studs that are

998
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: in the stalls.

999
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: Horses, I would say one of them type of holes.

1000
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and they will go crazy and like be sweating,

1001
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes, So they taught

1002
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: me patients. Consistency. You've got to be consistent. Yeah, you

1003
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 3: have to be consistent with feeding them, and really.

1004
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: To have fun, like more now than ever.

1005
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: And I think it shows in my Instagram excuse me,

1006
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 3: in my Instagram post. I'm just having a lot of fun,

1007
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: just enjoying the horses. I haven't even been riding like that,

1008
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: but I haven't been riding like that. I'm talking to them,

1009
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: doing stuff, just watching them sometimes. Yeah, and just getting

1010
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: back into my groove because I've kind of been like

1011
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: not myself, Like I've been myself, but like you burned

1012
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 3: out yeah, I've been burned out. So I'm just getting

1013
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: to where I'm like, okay, delegating, trying to figure out

1014
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: how I can get volunteers out.

1015
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: Like so you need help. You can't because the way

1016
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: you're moving, like especially with you having for babies, like

1017
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: that's a lot. And I be seeing you. I'm like, yo,

1018
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: this girl is up and I'm up early, Like you

1019
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: need something. You need help because it's I mean, well

1020
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: with any growing business, and your business is definitely growing

1021
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: and reaching a lot of people, so you need as

1022
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: much support as possible.

1023
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: Because I think I think I may have officially been

1024
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: on every news channel.

1025
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: You ain't got to use.

1026
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm down, especially the like it's wild, like seeing it

1027
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: Good Morning America and yeah.

1028
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: You've been everywhere.

1029
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be on PBS. I saw that, Like it's

1030
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: like all these things are happening. So I'm just putting

1031
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 3: in the pieces, like I'll be up like it's ten o'clock.

1032
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: So last night, all this week, what I've been doing

1033
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: is going to bed early, and then I'll wake up

1034
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: around like this time or like one in the morning,

1035
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: and I'm wiping out stuff and getting stuff ready.

1036
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: And it's probably the only time you can really work

1037
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: since your kids are sleep too.

1038
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 3: While they're sleeping, So it's like, Okay, I'm learning to

1039
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: build an even stronger foundation because it's just like, okay,

1040
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: you need that I have, you know, I have access

1041
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: to the farm, the horses, all these animals, but I

1042
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: have to really like strengthen this foundation cause it's it's

1043
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: cool and now that I think about it, like it's

1044
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: wild that a lot of my I guess family members

1045
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: and maybe you just never had those conversations, but sometimes

1046
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: it does seem like I'm the only one interested in

1047
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: farm life. Like in both sides of my family, they

1048
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: were farmers, like my family was.

1049
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: They were farmers.

1050
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: They raised hogs, they had not hogs, they had fields

1051
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: of food that they grew and they went and farmed

1052
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: at other land, other farms and stuff like that. So

1053
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: it's like, how do you get away from that because

1054
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: we need it now more than.

1055
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the way they putting it in our food.

1056
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: But I think you make a good point. It's very

1057
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: unfortunate when the tradition just dies and then unfortunately you

1058
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: have to keep the or one person have to keep

1059
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: the tradition going, and that's a lot of work. Because

1060
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: the tradition is so rich and so long and so full.

1061
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: So it's just like, what do you do at this point?

1062
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you should have the conversation with your family and

1063
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: just ask because like you're not just out here starting

1064
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: off like you also like a lot of people know

1065
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: who you are.

1066
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that part, and I just you.

1067
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Know, imagine what y'all can do if everyone wants to

1068
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: help out.

1069
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and seeing this horse fast you know this this

1070
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: uh well it was a dirt road be turned into

1071
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: houses and asphalt like Starbucks. Oh yeah, Starbucks publics, Like

1072
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: we used to ride trails through here, Like people don't

1073
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: even know. And that's how I feel every time I

1074
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: go to publics, because I do go to this publics.

1075
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: Just steal from them. That's that's your reparation.

1076
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: That point, I go over there and get a couple

1077
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: of ice, right, But every time I go in there,

1078
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm just like, these people have no idea what used

1079
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: to be here, Like that's I can't help but think

1080
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: that every single time, every time, like.

1081
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: These people don't know that was all through here.

1082
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Now what inspire you to come to combine

1083
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: your passion for horses and reading to create settle up

1084
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: and read.

1085
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: Because these kids was not reading. They were not reading,

1086
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: but they were interested in horses.

1087
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: And really it was like, and I always say it

1088
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: was a good idea, because why was I up one

1089
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: random night at twelve o'clock and thinking about literacy rates?

1090
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: Like, ain't nobody doing that?

1091
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: And it's definitely low within our community, especially in the.

1092
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: South, it is. And when I started collecting those books

1093
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: that had black people and horses, horse spoke in them.

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 3: I remember reading a story about time and toime again,

1095
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: it was always a black man. He didn't know how

1096
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: to read, He didn't know how to read, He didn't

1097
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: know how to read. And you look at the literacy rates.

1098
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: These kids don't know how to read. Why did we

1099
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: think that these black children don't know how to read

1100
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: today because of slavery? Toukle down And I just think

1101
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: that it's not that people don't it's not that families

1102
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 3: don't think read is important. Just look at how hard

1103
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 3: black families are working just to provide, right and I've

1104
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: seen this too.

1105
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: People will be like, well, they got new.

1106
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: Cars and they got the latest jays, and they got

1107
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: this and they got that. Y'all a lot of mindsets

1108
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: have been birthed because of slavery. It's like, let me

1109
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: just get that instant gratification of something that I can

1110
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: feel good. Yeah, so you can feel good because if

1111
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: we look at how outside it looked real ghetto like

1112
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: people working in their checks.

1113
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: The checks, the math.

1114
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: Is the math mathing.

1115
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: It's not so I can totally understand why some people

1116
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: are like, you know what, if I'm gonna work this

1117
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: hard and I get paid pennies, I might as well

1118
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 3: look good.

1119
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: Or still so.

1121
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: They might not prioritize, you know, reading at home, even

1122
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: though reading at home is really important. So people always say,

1123
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: you know, like read to your kids. Yes, read, But

1124
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: I I still feel like those of us who do

1125
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: have some sort of privilege or do realize that hey,

1126
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: as a community, we can do more, Like if I

1127
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: have four kids and all of these animals and I

1128
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: can start a nonprofit, like somebody can pick up the

1129
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 3: phone and call your younger cousin and be like, hey,

1130
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 3: you want to go to the library.

1131
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: Hey do you a library card? What books do you like?

1132
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: And then they abandon books, they closed down libraries. It's like, yo,

1133
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: y'all are making it. And I'm an avid reader. Like,

1134
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: I always loved to read ever since I was a

1135
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: little girl. So the fact that they closing down libraries,

1136
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, that's so fucking heartbreaking.

1137
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: Before they before people start realizing that was happening, I

1138
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 3: had made a tweet and I was like, how old

1139
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 3: were you when you realized that not all schools had

1140
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: a library? And yeah, and it was like some people

1141
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: just like what.

1142
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: They never even crossed my mind? And I'm like, and

1143
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: now they're like really closing them.

1144
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: So I wanted to do Saddle Up and Read to

1145
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: really just encourage kids, and the focus was black because

1146
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: I felt like we needed books. Because something that really

1147
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: started to fix me off is I love books.

1148
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: I do.

1149
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes I just feel like putting a black character on

1150
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: the cover of a book when you are a white

1151
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: author and a.

1152
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: White illustrator is so misleading.

1153
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: And I remember it coming across books and I would

1154
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: read it like black families, but the language and how

1155
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: the character is like I've read this one book and

1156
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: they called the black boy jungle foot.

1157
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: Now what now, one nigga you know is calling a

1158
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: boy a little black boy jungle foot.

1159
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Exactly, And I was like, oh my gosh, like nobody

1160
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: thought that this was a bad idea for these two

1161
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: white ladies to write this book, and they called thetive.

1162
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: So I was like, no, we're not going to do that.

1163
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: We want to find books written by non white Yeah, fine,

1164
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: diverse characters, multi cultural character was written by black people,

1165
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: illustrated by black people, their texture, lips and noses, those

1166
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: that's very important. So that's really why I did it.

1167
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, I have horses.

1168
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 3: I've always had horses. I can share my horses. Yeah,

1169
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: And it's like, yes, other people could do the same thing,

1170
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: but they didn't choose to and maybe that's not their mission.

1171
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: It's in't my mission to share.

1172
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: And so yeah, Sligan Reed was born with the intent

1173
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 3: to get kids to read, and it's working and we're growing. Yeah.

1174
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: No, good for you. You know, I believe that you

1175
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: have made a significant contribution in promoting awareness on the

1176
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: legacy of blacks creep. I don't know why I can't

1177
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: say this word. It's question. When you receive love and

1178
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: recognition from people, including Oprah, how does that make you feel?

1179
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: You know?

1180
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: I I, oh, yeah, I gotta get her because the

1181
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: rest of these girls ain't got no, no stamp on Oprah.

1182
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 3: Okay, at random times it'll hit me like, oh shit,

1183
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: that happened, like Oprah, know who you are.

1184
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 2: Year, but it's like it was like rolling, it was

1185
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: not for you. It was nine stop.

1186
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: If we think about it, since twenty twenty, I have

1187
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: been in the news, if not every month, every other

1188
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: month for something in the news and magazines that's fire.

1189
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty.

1190
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: It is not a stop.

1191
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: And I'm thankful it's gonna keep going into the wheel.

1192
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna keep this going.

1193
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: Into the horse stop.

1194
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: And so I have to like physically stop and be like, yo,

1195
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: look at all this stuff that you have done. Because

1196
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: on my website I was starting to put interviews and

1197
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've run it out of spies.

1198
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: This is a long time I have.

1199
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 1: Oh come on, now, come on with us.

1200
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: Vogue Magazine, the Washington Post, Yeah, Sidelines magazine, that's a

1201
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 3: horse magazine, Horse Illustrated. Like it's so many different, so

1202
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 3: many different publications. So I just think, like it's really

1203
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: really cool. So I'm still like conflicting. It's like, oh

1204
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: my gosh, I did these amazing things. But I'm also like, dang,

1205
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: I didn't know what I know now, you know, like

1206
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: to set to set that intention to like grab people,

1207
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, like why the iron is hot, strike while

1208
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: the iron is hot and stuff like. So now like

1209
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: this is what August third, I have been promoting my

1210
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 3: coloring book NonStop. So my goal for last month was

1211
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: to sell ten coloring books on Amazon. I met that goal,

1212
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: and then this month the goal was twenty and I'm

1213
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: already at it's August third, I'm already at I think

1214
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: fourteen sales Amazon, and I know, like it's like small,

1215
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: but it's like.

1216
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Even if it's a small win, it's

1217
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: still a win.

1218
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: Yes, But for me, it's the consistency like I have

1219
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: been multiple times throughout the day.

1220
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1221
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, So you should definitely be proud of yourself.

1222
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: Like I think that what you have done, especially like

1223
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: this has been your life. So I feel like for

1224
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: you to like really like make a business out of it,

1225
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing and not even that, but also

1226
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: just shedding light on the history of our people in

1227
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: this world because they've been there since they won. But

1228
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: you made a great point. Why is there no pictures?

1229
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like where are the pictures in right? Right, it's

1230
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: not well with me.

1231
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, me either. Last, but not least, what are your

1232
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on those people who have sex with horses? You know,

1233
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: people be having sex with horse to stop it would go,

1234
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, people be having sex with ghosts.

1235
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: I've heard of that before.

1236
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: I remember when I was younger, and I think it

1237
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 3: like scarred me for life because it was it was

1238
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 3: in the news or something like this.

1239
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: Man got caught child.

1240
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 3: If people are out there doing that, that is just

1241
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: so terrible, Like that has never crossed my mind.

1242
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1243
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a be a big thing. When I was

1244
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: a kid, I heard about it and I actually YouTube

1245
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: would google it and I mean, you know, horses got

1246
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: some big things. So I seen this woman and I

1247
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: was like, no way, it's terrible. But no, I think

1248
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: this was an amazing episode. I'm so happy that. I'm

1249
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: so happy that we were able to connect and make

1250
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: it work tonight, because y'all, I really been in her dms,

1251
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,479
Speaker 1: like just trying to bring her on the show because

1252
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: I think representation in all areas matter and that's very

1253
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: important to me. When I started the Professional Homegirl and

1254
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: my listener's been begging for this episode, So I really

1255
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: do appreciate you coming on the show.

1256
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and those technical difficulties that.

1257
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: Was wow, wow, y'all.

1258
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: I was like, man, yeah, I'm glad you were determined

1259
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: to not have to reschedule again.

1260
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: I did not want to reschedule. I'm like, come on now,

1261
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: come on.

1262
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: Great. This is the first podcast I've done, a podcast

1263
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: interview I've done in a.

1264
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: While, so it's always great. But yeah, I really do

1265
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: be busy, like stuff will just pop up. A horse

1266
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: might get out, the goats might be doing something, my

1267
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: kids might be doing something, and it's just doing my

1268
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: best to just go with the flow.

1269
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: I think you're doing an amazing job. And you know, yes,

1270
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: of course, and even though a wise point once said

1271
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with horses since Christopher Reese, I might

1272
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: have to disagree with her on that one, because this

1273
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: was really an amazing conversation. You know who said that,

1274
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh using to rap music, So no, you don't. When

1275
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: you come to New York, I'm gonna take you outside.

1276
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: All old music? Is it in an old song?

1277
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: That's Nicki minaj I gotta take you outside when you

1278
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: come up here.

1279
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a.

1280
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: Farm But thank y'all, so much for listening. Please follow

1281
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: me at the Professional Homegirl at the PHG podcast on

1282
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: all social media platforms, and until next time, everyone Later.

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,160
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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:35,360
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1287
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