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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just me really understanding that. And I watched

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Speaker 2: That interview, and it's a lot of noise that starts

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, you know, we've all marveled on this and that,

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Speaker 1: Look, there's a they always say when you're on top

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Speaker 1: I am not ordinary, like you looked super extraordinary on

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Speaker 1: You had one of the greatest stretches the sport's ever seen.

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Speaker 1: The five title defense is the power for power number one?

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible. The legacy that where you're not going right,

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Speaker 2: Do you need this.

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Speaker 1: Win in your own personal and opinion to fulfill the

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Times guys say, oh, I don't think about that. I

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Speaker 1: don't look at POMP. I don't care. I'll care when

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Speaker 1: I'm seventy five years old sitting by the fire right.

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Speaker 1: Maybe do you need this win to be who you're

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Speaker 2: I think I need this win in a different sense.

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Speaker 2: I as far as what I've done in the sport,

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Speaker 2: I've done that. It's not going anywhere, it's not changing.

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Speaker 2: And signing to be erasing any worship forward fashion that's

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Speaker 2: plenty so much time in this training camp. I beatings

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Speaker 2: guys like Justin Gaegee and all these other guys. When

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Speaker 2: I need this to let me know that, hey, that

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Speaker 2: I was okay, it was worth it. I need this

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Speaker 2: it's okay to stumble and fall sometimes and what you're

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Speaker 2: that it's okay to stumble and fall, but you can

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Speaker 1: Great answer, That's a fantastic answer. It's the best one

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Speaker 1: you probably you know, could have worked up. And it

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Speaker 1: feels real in that regard. The pomp for pound conversation

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Speaker 1: fight to this one where you focused on that. Do

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Speaker 1: you care whether the public thinks it's Islam, whether the

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Speaker 1: public thinks it's Volkanovski or John Jones returning, or hey,

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Speaker 1: you went back this championship on Saturday you might be

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Speaker 1: you might be the best in the sport after that.

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Speaker 1: Any comments on that or is that just all extra?

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Speaker 2: It is extra? You know, it's it's I guess it's

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Speaker 2: a conversation piece. It's a cool conversation to have, you know,

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Speaker 2: to say, oh, that's the po pound champion, but you

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Speaker 2: know it is what it is. What guys like John

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Speaker 2: you know, that means the world to me. And this Saturday,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna definitely be saying that.

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Speaker 1: Impactful stuff to close here, lighthearted stuff here. Saw you

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Speaker 1: in Wakanda Forever and it.

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Speaker 2: Was it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you may have gotten snubbed on the OSCARS Best

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Speaker 1: Supporting Actor voting as possible, but is that a pinch

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could play cool and be like, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kamara Usman. You know this happens, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really always happen. And oh, by the way, like pretty

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Speaker 1: damn good in that role too. When you're watching that

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Speaker 2: Insanity, right it is. But the weird thing now is

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Speaker 2: I'm having so many moments thrown at me in live

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Speaker 2: I don't fully indulge in them. I think I think

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Speaker 2: that's just the way I'm wired. Is What's next? You

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Speaker 2: know the title defense, What's next? What's next? What's next?

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Speaker 2: You know? So I remember watching the movie the first time,

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Speaker 2: of something like that. Three four years later, I'm in

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Speaker 2: and it's almost like, is that me? Is that where

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Speaker 2: I still don't feel like I'm fully grasping that? And

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Speaker 2: so I think, I mean, I think obviously because of

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Speaker 2: in the next couple years, it's really gonna sink in

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Speaker 2: how incredible of a life I've lived and how impactful

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: And whether we'll add two time welterweight champion on the

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Speaker 1: end of that tomorrow. A pleasure to chat with you.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the candidness, best of luck to you in this trilogy.

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Speaker 1: Fight We can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.