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Speaker 1: Ladies and gunlemen. My name is Paul Hyman. I serve

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Speaker 1: as special counsel to your tribal chief, the undisputed WWE

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Speaker 1: Universal Heavyweight Champion, Roman Rains. You are listening to the

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Speaker 1: Battleground Podcast on iHeartRadio. Man, I was good at that.

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Speaker 2: Why from the parts Unknown Studios in to the Double

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Speaker 2: Battle Brown.

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Speaker 3: Battle, the Battle Brown Battle, the Battle crownd.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast, your place for all things

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Speaker 1: pro wrestling.

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Speaker 3: The Battle Road, the Battle Round.

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Speaker 1: Now making their way to the microphones. Extim up for

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Speaker 2: Welcome the Battle Crown. What's up you guys, Welcome back

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Speaker 2: into the show. It's Battle from Z ninety three and

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio's battle Ground Podcasting Today is a very special show

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Speaker 2: for us because when you think about it growing up

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Speaker 2: as a wrestling fan, there's always those people that you admire,

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Speaker 2: looking up to, and there's people that you have on

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Speaker 2: your bucket list of guests. I'm gonna bring in my

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Speaker 2: co host right now, Eli and I feel as if

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Speaker 2: this is a guy that is a bucket list. This

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Speaker 2: is when you look at it, when it comes to

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Speaker 2: this person's accolades, he's on the Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a thirty plus year fan.

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Speaker 5: I'm a dangerous alliance poly dangerously cell phone, like I

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Speaker 5: go back to about eighty nine, eighty eight, eighty nine.

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Speaker 4: Ish with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so let's just go ahead and bring

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Speaker 2: him on our guest on the show. Paul Hayman joins us, Paul,

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Speaker 2: it is literally an honor to have you on the

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Speaker 1: Well, they told me that if I did this, then

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Speaker 1: you've completed your bucket list and you can just go away.

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Speaker 1: So I figure, now, you know what, Dooper keeps your

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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, and real quick before we jump

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Speaker 2: into any wrestling talk. I was talking and my co

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Speaker 2: seen the movie. I mean, it's what three percent on

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Speaker 2: and I think you made that movie.

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Speaker 1: Well. I thought roller Ball absolutely positively sucked, but I

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Speaker 6: I mean, when when you think about it, you're like

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Speaker 6: remaking that old movie. But I think that you made

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought I was better in

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Speaker 6: Oh, you're fantastic in the movie. Uh so, of course.

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Speaker 2: Uh this weekend Madison Square Garden Road to WrestleMania.

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Speaker 6: Uh. By the way, you can still grab tickets ticketmaster

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, because I mean, you you've

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Speaker 2: How rewarding has it been to see the Seeds Planet

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had CZWGCW and several other promotions around

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should limit them to CDW and

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Speaker 1: a year ago. I think the extreme influence on this

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Speaker 5: And it's got to be rewarding to you know, flick

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Speaker 1: I mean, we covered the world for the greatest talent,

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Speaker 1: and you don't know American announcer had ever called the

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't, I can't just get that again.

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Speaker 2: And I remember I remember watching those e c W

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was where I got introduced to everybody,

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Speaker 1: out a seca baddest dude you will ever meet in

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Speaker 1: You'll get him in the future. He's all your yours.

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Speaker 1: He uh, you just knew, you just you just knew

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Speaker 4: So this has been kind of prophecy. It sounds like,

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Speaker 4: I mean this that's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: The the Samoans sent out into the world the proles,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Roman reigns was was born to be

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of that, you know, we're heading into WrestleMania.

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Speaker 5: You know, just got back from the Royal Rumbull, you know,

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Speaker 5: versus brock Lesner.

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Speaker 1: I disagree by the way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, thank you, thank you for the correction.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: What why do you think this matchup continues to capture

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Speaker 4: I mean, this isn't the first match between them, obviously.

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Speaker 1: See and that's and that's the part of it that

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Speaker 1: I just agree with. I think this is the first

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Speaker 6: Okay, jump in to make it a three way dance either.

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Speaker 1: Not if they not the one to survive till the

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Speaker 1: next day, there's not.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, Romean brock Lissner versus Roman Reigns, a two

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Speaker 1: time WrestleMania main event presentation. Very interesting match. Uh but

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Speaker 1: that's brock Lesner, former NZBA Dog You and heyweight champion,

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Speaker 1: and he's against a Roman Reigns who minimit the Wrestleania

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Speaker 1: completely wiped out the heavyweight division on Monday Night Raw

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Speaker 1: the Tribal Chief Roman Range. And I would dare suggest

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Speaker 1: is the goat the greatest of all time, undisputed, uncontraverted,

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Speaker 2: And you know, here's the thing is like we're kind

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Speaker 2: it's gonna ben Roman Range.

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Speaker 6: Title versus the title.

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Speaker 2: But Brock has his title to defend this weekend Road

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Speaker 6: Still you can grab tickets via Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's say, let's let's hypothetically say brock walks

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Speaker 6: Does Roman get the night off or does he do

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Speaker 6: an open challenge?

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 6: As his advocate?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was brock Lesser's advocate for twenty years. I

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Speaker 1: greatest universal heavyweight champion of all time, Roman Race. I

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Speaker 1: also hate doing in hypotheticals because it harkens back to

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Speaker 1: my father, who was a far smarter man than I'll

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Speaker 1: if your aunt had balls beer, uncle, she doesn't, so

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Speaker 1: she's not. But I'll give you something more than high feedical.

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Speaker 1: It is my clan, is my strategy. There is my

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Speaker 1: everything in our power and our influence to make sure

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Speaker 1: that Broadlesner does not leave Medicine Square Garden this Saturday

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Speaker 1: as the ww heavuis champion. I don't like the concept

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Speaker 1: Take Paul, because in my opinion, Roman Reigns is already

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Speaker 1: the end. Don't be all. Roman Reigns is already the

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Speaker 1: the champion in WWE, and every other title can fight

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Speaker 1: of former advocate Paul Hayman put rock Lessner at such

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Speaker 1: a disadvantage walking into WrestleMania. That moment range as victory

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Speaker 1: at WrestleMania. It's Staya complete and it all comes together

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Speaker 1: this Saturday in Madison Square Garden, where I am publicly

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the fact our plan is to ensure rock Lessner

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Speaker 4: That's some big stuff and again a massive show before Mania.

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Speaker 6: That's just yeah, definitely again.

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Speaker 2: Tickets for Road to WrestleMania Madison Square Garden March if

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Speaker 2: you can grab them They're on sale right now via Ticketmaster. Again, Paul,

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Speaker 2: it is an honor to have you on the show today.

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Speaker 2: We thank you for taking the time out. I will

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Speaker 2: cut the check after this and have it mail for

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Speaker 2: you coming on. Since you know your your time is valuable.

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Speaker 1: My time is very valuable. You can't afford me. Keep

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Speaker 1: the check invested in your radio station, go into other

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Speaker 1: cities and take over so the next time I appear,

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Speaker 6: For sure. Again, Paul, honor having you on the show.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk to you soon, man.

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