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Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, and we're back for hour too.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson and West Jool

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Speaker 1: are dropping off there to uh get us ready for

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Speaker 1: to have Max Starks come on. We'll be having Kevin

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine. I can tell you, yes, you and I

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Speaker 1: do a lot together. We the drive every day and

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Speaker 1: we've been doing it a long time and it's a blast.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna spend a lot of time Max this week,

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Speaker 1: which I think it's gonna be pretty fun, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to pick a new brain and all the stuff

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Speaker 1: he's done as a player and outside of being a

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be good, good stuff. You know, I covered

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Speaker 1: something that would be the toughest part about the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Like Ben Roethlisberger just retired. He's thirty nine years old. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like thirty nine, Like, you have a lot of life left.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of life left. And I understand

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Speaker 1: always interesting to get a chance to to sit down

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Speaker 1: with the guys that like that that I covered, um

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Speaker 1: and just chat about stuff things that you you know,

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Speaker 1: But for us, this week is chatting with Max the

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Speaker 1: next two days. Absolutely, I don't want to remind everybody

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Speaker 1: Our Combine coverage is presented by First National bank. Let's

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Speaker 1: get started member F E, I C. And they'll be

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Speaker 1: uh bringing you all your coverage here this week. We're

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Speaker 1: on until five o'clock today. Uh As today is a

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Speaker 1: big day. The players aren't available today, but all the

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Speaker 1: It is kind of their going on. I did not

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Speaker 1: people from outside the organization of free agents. But I

425
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 1: think that if you look at the receiver position, they've

426
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: got two under contract. I don't think you're you're not

427
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna go sign two or three agent wide receivers. You're

428
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna draft one at some point. You're not gonna add

429
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: somebody in free agency that's going to compete with Claypool

430
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: or Johnson and the opinion maybe it keep juju, but

431
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: you're not getting Godwin or you're not spending that kind

432
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 1: of money on the open market with that position. No,

433
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: it's just that's that's for this team. That's like spending.

434
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 1: It's even more than expending for an offensive tackle. It's

435
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: that it's that same price range. Yeah, it's the same

436
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: thing that people talking about the Well, you know, the

437
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: Patriots aren't in the franchise j C. Jackson. He would

438
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: look really good with the Steelers. Yeah he would, but

439
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 1: he's also gonna cost you twenty million dollars. You know,

440
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: that's just not realistic. And how many times do we

441
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: praise Kevin Colbert for setting the team up that they

442
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: don't have to do things on draft Day. And if

443
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 1: it happens that boy didn't think Burkes would get there

444
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: at twenty, well let's take him and then we'll get

445
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: the corner we need in round two or the linebacker

446
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Because you know what they do

447
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: so well is where's the surplus? You know, where do

448
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: you want to go shopping? Where you want to go fishing?

449
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: I think receivers a spot you'd love to have. You

450
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: don't want to have needs on draft day, But to me,

451
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: receiver you'll get one if you want, if you need one.

452
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: I really think the second day linebacker crop is really interesting.

453
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: I really like that second third round for these guys.

454
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: Like I might be less likely to go blow my

455
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: money on the and Andre Campbell and spend it on

456
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: other few other things, so I can shop in those

457
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: in those waters, you know, on the second third round. Yeah, um,

458
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it's and we've seen so

459
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: many receivers come in and make immediate impacts right in

460
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. Again, it used to that third year league.

461
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: It used to be three years. It just not anymore

462
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: because these guys, these guys come in and they fit

463
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: them into your system, and you know you're you're looking

464
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: for a slot. Well, there's tend to pick from, right,

465
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: what what what kind of slot do you want? Do

466
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: you want to pick slot? Do you a little slot,

467
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: do a shifty slot? Yeah? I mean there's it's and

468
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: the things have changed, I mean, especially from ten twenty

469
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: years ago, is a lot of these guys now are

470
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: running passing camps all year round, right, and they start

471
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: when they're in like seventh grade seven, Yeah exactly, I

472
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: mean there they don't come in the league quote ras. Yeah.

473
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely something that that's kind of been

474
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: under talked to. I don't think it's been talked about

475
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: enough that receivers definitely. I mean they're going to go

476
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: to and a linebacker. Yeah, every draft. Yeah, I don't

477
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: think it would shock me if it was a twenty. No,

478
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't it. It It wouldn't at all. And I get

479
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: a lot of well, they just need to draft offensive lineman.

480
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't knowless you want to do that. What if

481
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: picked rolls around and the the next offensive linement on

482
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: your big board you have ranked thirty second. You don't

483
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: want to take the thirty second guy on your big

484
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: board at pick twenty. I mean, hypothetically, let's just say

485
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: they sign Winston or Trabinsky and Connor Williams at right

486
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: guard and that wouldn't break the bank. Those aren't insane signings.

487
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not asking them to sign you know Shreft at

488
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: the and Godwin and you know Jesse Jackson, right, I

489
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: mean all the highest priced guys. Those are very attainable goals. Well,

490
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: what's the best way to make your offense better? If

491
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: Trabinsky and the right guard position are in places? Get

492
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: him another weapon, you know, stacking the you'll make a

493
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: running game better. You play so much three you play

494
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: so many three receiver sets. Yeah, I mean, if you're

495
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna live in eleven personnel need three three dangerous receivers

496
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: where you can have a Garrett Wilson or Burkes or

497
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: somebody like that under a rookie contract or five years.

498
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's a pretty nice situation. Could be worse, Yeah, absolutely,

499
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, I do think that people are getting too

500
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: caught up in the offensive line stuff. Yes, the Steelers

501
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: offensive line was not great last year. That doesn't mean

502
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: that they're not going to address it in free agency.

503
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: Like you often say, people are allowed to get better

504
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to get better. Green's gonna get better,

505
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's there's some of that already

506
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: burns in that conversation too, right where you you don't

507
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: want to take the position just because just to take

508
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: the position. You know, that's a bad way to do

509
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: a business, you know. I mean, you want to be

510
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: flexible and at least set yourself up that you can

511
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: go several directions where you know there's surplus areas of

512
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: the draft. Unless you're picking twenty, you're not picking There's

513
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: there's to me a difference between picking at twenty and

514
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: picking at Those guys are second round draft picks essentially, Uh,

515
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: they're just gonna go in the first round. Yeah, I

516
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: mean that's usually where the Steelers get their their first guy.

517
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna be picking it twenty in this

518
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: draft is kind of like you might get the second

519
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: best receiver exactly. You might get if you might get

520
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys because of what's gonna happen ahead

521
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: of here. But they might be the first linebacker off

522
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: the board. You know, they might have a top ten

523
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: pick on Lloyd and can't believe he fell that far

524
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: and they grab you know, I mean so that you're right.

525
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're picking a little earlier than usual and

526
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: that could work out for That's the thing I think

527
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: that gets you know, we I didn't factor this year

528
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: into it yet, but the Steelers in Kevin Colbert's tenure

529
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: have their average draft pick earned has been twenty four. Yeah,

530
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean you're not getting that. You're not getting the

531
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: Blue Chippers never. You know, you're getting guys and there's

532
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of thirties and thirty ones and thirty twos

533
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: in there, you know, to make that average go where

534
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: the way it is. And if you think about it,

535
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: they've been you know, t J. Watt and Cam Hayward

536
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: who two of the best players like the team. We're

537
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: both drafted after thirty. Yeah, you and I do talk

538
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: about at a fair amount. But I think that's one

539
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: of the most impressive things on Kevin Colbert's resume is

540
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: You're never getting that Miles Garrett, you know, the no

541
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: brainer guy. I mean, just never picking that early. You know,

542
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: a guy that anybody would take. I'm automatic a corner

543
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: that's a top five pick all year every year he

544
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: comes out. You're never in the market for that guy

545
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: that Jamar Chase. Yeah right, right, right, yeah, oh should

546
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: take Seul or Chase. And that's what the Bengals are

547
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: going to have to deal with this year. There's there's

548
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, their first pick this year is going to

549
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: be where they're usually picking in the second second round year,

550
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: right and uh, speaking of Kevin Colbert. Ten minutes from now,

551
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: ten minutes ten minute warning, ten minute warning. Uh well, okay, um,

552
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: we'll keep the talk going here. Uh yeah, you know, man,

553
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Linder bamb We haven't

554
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: had a long convers and I'm sure you've been getting

555
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the same stuff West. Uh, Steelers gotta

556
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: take Linder Baumb if he's there. These are the same

557
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: people who were talking about Kendrick Green being too small

558
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: to play the position, and now they wanted Now they

559
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: want the two eighty nine pound Tyler linder Baum, who

560
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: is twenty pounds lighter than Kenyan Green. There's a lot

561
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: of things to play here is I'll be honest, and

562
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: I've said it on the air here. I thought it.

563
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: Even Ben came out and said Green might be better

564
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: as a guard. No, I thought maybe the offseason priority

565
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: was go get that veteran. You know, Jeff Harding's center,

566
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: moved Green to guard. See it make they take a

567
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: little something off his plate. Well, frankly, I don't think

568
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: they're going to do that, or they agree with me.

569
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I think they think Green's the center and he's working

570
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: with the pouncy as we speak, to try to get better.

571
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: And Green's not small. That's the other misconception. Yeah, he

572
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: is a big, strong center that had that struggled with

573
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: power players, but more because of technique and hands in

574
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: the high pads and and the other thing. And I'm

575
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: not diminishing what happened here last year, but I think

576
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to know what they want from the position.

577
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean linder Bomb is awesome, but he's his own guy.

578
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's he's play in a very scheme. Specifically,

579
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: he'd be out there and he's gonna struggle with big

580
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: noses over top of probably, I mean he's a little different.

581
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: He's a great prospect and he can handle it, but

582
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: it's not ever gonna be his strength, you know, I

583
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: mean trying to block a key hits and those type

584
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: of things. You know. Um, So I don't know exactly

585
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: what type of lineman they want, you. I mean, guys

586
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: they've added lately or more mashers in. But if you

587
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: value power in mashing verse athletic ability, of course you

588
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: want both. But you can't have both all the time.

589
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: You know, how do they weigh one verse the other?

590
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that right now, you know, And I

591
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: think a lot of them depend on who the quarterback is.

592
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: You know. Interesting thing with you know you mentioned Kenya

593
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Green and a lot of that move them to guard

594
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and move him to guard. He'd be the second smallest

595
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. If they moved him to guard. Jack

596
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Mason would be the only listed guard that would be

597
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: would be smaller than him. So, yeah, I always thought

598
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: that was kind of bass akwards like it's too small

599
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: to play center, let's move them to guard. Yeah, I

600
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: don't know where too small to play center? Stuff. That's

601
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: the misconception. Just because he struggles against big, heavy guys

602
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not just because of his weight. It's

603
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: a technique, right, right, right, I mean, he just has

604
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: to come off the ball lower, and I'm sure not

605
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: snapping the football very much in college has something to

606
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: do with it. And you know he he doesn't lack

607
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: power strength. Yeah, no, that's not I mean, the guy

608
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: set all the weightlifting records and in Illinois. Um, it's

609
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: a technique thing. And hopefully, as you mentioned Pouncy, you know,

610
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: hopefully that's a way for him to start to get

611
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: right now. And I do, I do think they remain

612
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: intrigued by his ability to get to the second level

613
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: and move and do those kind of things. I mean,

614
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: did he have a great year. No, he certainly didn't,

615
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: but there were clips and and even in the preseason

616
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: where you see him twenty yards down field running, you know,

617
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: running like an athlete. You know that a few offensive

618
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: linemen can do that. Stuff's intrigue and I really thought

619
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: his struggle started when Thoughts and got hurt beside him. Yeah.

620
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I thought the line was getting better until that Week

621
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: ten injury, and then they went through five guards. He

622
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: signed him in four games, and he's learning on the

623
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: fly begin with. And he's got a rookie on the

624
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: other side of the guard to you know, now, all

625
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, they settle on the glue

626
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: in the entire left side of your line from center

627
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: over is essentially rookie players, essentially rookies, right. We're surprised

628
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: that's they struggled, right, Yeah. Surprised that there were communication

629
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: issues there as well too. Yeah, that's that's what you're

630
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna get when when you're turning over the offensive line

631
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: like like they did. You know, you can't expect it.

632
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: It's it's a work in progress. It takes time. I'm

633
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: sure there will be moves there, but it'll blow me away.

634
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: If the line isn't better next year than this year,

635
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Speaker 1: I mean I can carve it and stone it's going

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Speaker 1: to be. So we've talked about it before, Matt. If

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Speaker 1: if they just get if they get average play out

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Speaker 1: of all five guys league average play, you've got a

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Speaker 1: top twelve top ten line in the NFL based on

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Speaker 1: having five average starters, because if you look around the league,

641
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Speaker 1: even the teams would do it offensive lines. They got

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Speaker 1: four really good guys or three really good guys and

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Speaker 1: two guys who are just kind of do Yeah, right again,

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Speaker 1: I believe this more and more. You'd love to have

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Speaker 1: Munyos and Hannah and Larry Allen, but I'll take five

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Speaker 1: B minuses, you know, kind of what the Bills have. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: right right, especially if your quarterback can really move right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, none of those guys are locking Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if it is Quenton Nelson one on

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Speaker 1: one consistently. But your quarterback's gotta help the equation and

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Speaker 1: buy some time and things too. I man, it makes

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Speaker 1: everyone look better. Yeah, we're gonna take another break. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll be joined by Steelers g M.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert. So we'll put him on the grill here

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Speaker 1: and see, uh, give him the put him on the

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Speaker 1: take it down a little bit here. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: turn on the bright lights and we'll get him to

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Speaker 1: turn him up here and see what he has to say.

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Speaker 1: But no and all seriousness will do that. He is

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Speaker 1: West Euler. That's Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally. You're

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Speaker 1: listening here too, our coverage from the Indianapoli Scouting Combine

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Speaker 1: UM here at the Indiana Convention Center. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. And we

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Speaker 1: are back. I am Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and Wesley Eueler here on Steelers Nation Radio. And we're

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Speaker 1: pleased to be joined out by Kevin Colbert, the general

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Speaker 1: manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Can we call you the

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Speaker 1: outgoing general manager? I've been called words, absolutely, Kevin. One

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Speaker 1: of the big questions that I get from a lot

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Speaker 1: of people is why aren't the Steelers bringing in the

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Speaker 1: new guy to co It's replacement before the draft. And

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Speaker 1: like Kevin has done all the legwork on this draft, UM,

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00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: people are looking at this, I think from the wrong

680
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: angle because most of the time, people in your your

681
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: position don't get to retire on their own. It's not yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not up to you. So you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of the times the general managers get hired right after

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Speaker 1: the season and because the guy they're replacing got fired.

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Speaker 1: In your situation, that's not what's happening here. You're they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be replacing you. Why shouldn't you go through and

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Speaker 1: do all the work with your scouting department that you

688
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Speaker 1: guys have done all the legwork on from the previous year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it. You know, I actually talked to Art,

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Speaker 1: to coach Tom, and you know, back in May, told

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Speaker 1: him this would be my last season. What we all

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Speaker 1: decided we're going to go through it as if UM

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Speaker 1: nothing's different. And part of that was me being a

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Speaker 1: big part of the evaluation process along with our scouts.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we did in the fall, and we're

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Speaker 1: very comfortable in having um that collection of information. And

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Speaker 1: also Art and Coach are comfortable in me being part

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Speaker 1: of decisions on a team that I might not be

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Speaker 1: part of in two because I think we'll all try

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Speaker 1: to make the best decisions. But that was something that

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Speaker 1: was predetermined and my participation in the scouting process was

702
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Speaker 1: that was something we we thought would be doable. And

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Speaker 1: so far, so good, Kevin. I've had great respect for

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Speaker 1: your career and I've learned a lot from you from

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Speaker 1: AFAR and studying the way you guys evaluate talent. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know if all our listeners realized just how

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Speaker 1: involved coach Tomlin is in personnel and not all coaches

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Speaker 1: do what he does behind the scenes. Is that correct? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's unique because he really loves it. Yeah, he he

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Speaker 1: loves that part of the process. Obviously, he's a great coach,

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Speaker 1: but he understands and respects the evaluation process and he

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Speaker 1: wants to be a big part of it. Um. At

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, you mentioned you were there deal the

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Speaker 1: day it rained. Um, he and I are on the field.

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Speaker 1: He did it, but he didn't even think twice about

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Speaker 1: being on the field and part of that process because

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Speaker 1: he enjoys it and he's very good at it, and

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Speaker 1: he gives us great information from a coaching perspective as

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Speaker 1: a part of the evaluation. So very fortunately fortunate to

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Speaker 1: have that coach. Kyle was much much like Mike in

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Speaker 1: that regard because he was a big part of that

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Speaker 1: process and pro days and interviews and you know, to

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Speaker 1: have those coaches enjoy it and be a big part

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Speaker 1: of it's been very value. Not all coaches do that though, right, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's I think each organization is different. Um. I

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Speaker 1: can't say when when Art Rooney Jr. And coach No,

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Speaker 1: we're together, um, how they shared those responsibilities because there

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Speaker 1: weren't pro days and the draft was in January, so

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a lot of time for the coaches

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Speaker 1: to be involved in terms of the the actual search itself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you've been involved at that and you

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Speaker 1: mentioned this when we talked to you last week, and

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Speaker 1: it kind of hit me that, yeah, that's right. Um,

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Speaker 1: Arts never had to do this before. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: you've been in your position for Longcome he's he's only

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Speaker 1: had to hire a coach one time. Uh, that that

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Speaker 1: in itself is unique. But when you're hiring a coach,

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Speaker 1: you know who the hot coordinators are. When you're hiring

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Speaker 1: a GM, you don't necessarily know who the okay, who

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Speaker 1: the candidates here, it's a it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: It is different. And as you mentioned there with the coach,

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Speaker 1: you know he when we were putting together that list,

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Speaker 1: when you know after coach Kaward retired, Um, I gave

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Speaker 1: art recommendations and these are the folks because that was

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Speaker 1: part of my responsibility as we move into this phase. Um,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't done it for twenty two years. And I

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Speaker 1: have to pull myself back because I know the group

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Speaker 1: that we're recommending for interviews. I'm much better than he

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Speaker 1: does because I've worked with these folks. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I said the other day. If we were looking for

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Speaker 1: a team president, I would be as much in need

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Speaker 1: of that information that he might be able to provide me.

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Speaker 1: Um if I was making that decision. So it's a

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Speaker 1: long process. Um. We were bound by some rules NFL rules.

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Speaker 1: We have to if we're talking to a person under contract,

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Speaker 1: we have to do it before March one. After March one,

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Speaker 1: the team could say no, you can't talk to our

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Speaker 1: person until after the draft. So we did that. We'll

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Speaker 1: continue to go through it. We may interview some other

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Speaker 1: folks that aren't under contract in this period, but once

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Speaker 1: we moved down the road on the draft, preparation will

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Speaker 1: really zero in and focus on that and make more

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Speaker 1: interviews and more decisions after the draft. Two of those

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Speaker 1: candidates in house guys Omar Can Brandon Hunt. What's it

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Speaker 1: been like working with them over the years. It's been great.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're both very capable, UM folks that have

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Speaker 1: grown up in the system. You know. Omar has been

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Speaker 1: in that, in that person or in the CAP world,

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Speaker 1: the operations world, but he's also been involved in our

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Speaker 1: process every step of the way, maybe not as an

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Speaker 1: evaluated but certainly understanding it and given us contributions. UM

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Speaker 1: from a CAP perspective. Brandon grew up in the personnel side,

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Speaker 1: and he's learned, he's learned the CAP side of things,

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Speaker 1: much like oh More learned the personnel side. So they've grown.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about both of them, they've both

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Speaker 1: done great jaws, but they understand what the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 1: are about. Some folks from outside that we may talk

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Speaker 1: to may have been part of it at some point

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Speaker 1: in time, but they have an obviously in house perspective

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Speaker 1: which I think is very valuable. Do you know if

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Speaker 1: the Steelers will continue to use the same system, you know,

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00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: the and eight sixes and eight six two or three.

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Speaker 1: You know, use the same grades and everything, and there's

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Speaker 1: no reason to blow that up, right, Well, that'll be

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Speaker 1: up to that. Yeah, I mean when I came in,

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Speaker 1: they obviously had had success, and I brought some different ideas,

787
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: different ways to do things, albeit under that general um understanding.

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Speaker 1: The now these guys know what they're doing and have

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Speaker 1: done it. They've been successful before I got here. Maybe

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00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I can give them a different perspective. So I think

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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: the new person it will be totally up to them.

792
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: They can look at it and make evaluations on not

793
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: only the system but even our personnel people that may

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Speaker 1: be left behind, even if even if we hire from within,

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: those folks will have to make a decision as to

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00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: who will best compartmentalized to come together for the group.

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Speaker 1: Are you learning in this process as well? Is art

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00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: learning as well? When you talk to this many different

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Speaker 1: people about how it's a it's a unique opportunity. Again,

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Speaker 1: they haven't had to do it for twenty two years

801
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: to learn how other teams kind of do the same

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00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: thing that you do. Yeah, we really don't get into

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Speaker 1: specifics about what they do at at a given um organization.

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Speaker 1: We're just trying to give art and understanding of who

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00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: these folks are. Once we get down and narrow it

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Speaker 1: down to whoever's going to come back for the second interviews,

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Speaker 1: we made drill down more on Okay, how would you

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Speaker 1: go about this? We haven't really gotten into specifics about

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00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: our team their approach in this round. It's just like

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Speaker 1: art learning who these who these folks are and what

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Speaker 1: they've done to this point. We get into a little

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Speaker 1: bit of um um, maybe what they'll plan to do,

813
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Speaker 1: but honestly, we'll we'll narrow that in tighter on the

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Speaker 1: second round. Okay, um in terms uh to kind of

815
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Speaker 1: change up. And we spent the whole time talking about

816
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Speaker 1: your job. We're here at the at the scouting combine

817
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Speaker 1: and this draft. We we've talked about this a lot um.

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Speaker 1: Usually you talk about a draft in layers of Okay,

819
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Speaker 1: there's there's sixteen guys in this draft that any team

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00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: would take their automatically first round. As you know they're

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Speaker 1: going to go in the first round. It seems like

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Speaker 1: this this year, that group is much bigger. It seems

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Speaker 1: like there's more depth overall. There may not be the

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Speaker 1: the overall quality. There's no nobody knows who the number

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Speaker 1: one guy is yet or those kind of things. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like, okay, after you know any there's any

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Speaker 1: of sixty guys that could go in the first round

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Speaker 1: this year. That's it's always wide open. You come out

829
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Speaker 1: of this with a little more detail and definition because

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Speaker 1: maybe a player verifies that he's fast, or maybe a

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Speaker 1: player doesn't run as good as you anticipated. So you'll

832
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Speaker 1: come out of this with more concrete information to help

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Speaker 1: you make those decisions. But never will it be um. Ever,

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Speaker 1: even when in those years when you said, okay, he's

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Speaker 1: going to be the first player you know, really beyond

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Speaker 1: a few of those guys. I mean, we come out

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Speaker 1: of it really maybe with six seven eight at the most,

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Speaker 1: you say, okay, those guys are gone. You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: have a chance the rest of it of the game.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I hate the word need, but honestly,

841
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: the the teams and organizations, they're drafted more along those

842
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: lines just to kind of fill some areas they believe

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Speaker 1: they have a need. We never want to do that, um,

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Speaker 1: But does that happen some Yes, So you a given

845
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Speaker 1: team made like a player better than you because they're

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Speaker 1: trying to fill a need. I'm sure this is a

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Speaker 1: dangerous game to play. But do you look at the

848
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams and say, there's the Eagles booth.

849
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: They really like big people, they put more value on them,

850
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: and they're picking ahead of us. So maybe we'd have

851
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: to move ahead of those guys if we want to

852
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: tackle or a d lineman or whatever. Do you do

853
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: you look at past tendencies from other gms and decision

854
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: makers and that type of thing, and you know it's

855
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: Brandon's job along with Dave Pettitt and Dan Covert. They

856
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: their their job is to predict what a team may

857
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: be looking for in a given year. Um, you have

858
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: ideas right now. Then they go into free agency and

859
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: they sign or they trade, and all of a sudden

860
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: that disappears. But it's the Pro Personnel's department's job to

861
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: keep track of that so that if there are teams

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: in front of us that we think we may have

863
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: to jump to get a certain player. Um, that's their

864
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: job for me that this this could happen. So absolutely

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00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I better. Over the years, you and the Ravens have

866
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: looked at each other like, if I don't think in

867
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the rate he's gonna be a Raven, I already know,

868
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and we've been and we've been picking in that same

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00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: You know that someday I hope there's a thirty for

870
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: thirty of you and Aussie and you can both be

871
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: honest with everyone to tell us all you you snipe

872
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: beyond this guy or you know, I don't know if

873
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: we ever tell the true twenty years from now, you

874
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: first time in nearly twenty years that the QB one

875
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh stealers is unknown. Does that change this

876
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: process for you at all? Or is it the same

877
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: due diligence that you're that you're always doing. Now. We

878
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: have to be careful, uh, to not over evaluate a

879
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: player based on um who we have. We have to

880
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: be honest about the evaluation and not over inflate um

881
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: an opinion based on well, if you don't do it now,

882
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: you're not gonna that type of stuff. You have to

883
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: you have to protect against that and give a true

884
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: evaluation whether we make that decision or that pick um

885
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: that will come together or over time. But sometimes when

886
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: you artificially evaluate a player and give him well you

887
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: know more than then he really is, it's dangerous and

888
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: you have to be honest with yourself and and not

889
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: make that evaluation based on given talent. And we also,

890
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, we have to evaluate every position because when

891
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you're stacking a position that you might be looking at

892
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: and you're not looking at this one, if you don't

893
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: do it correctly, then this will push this guy up further.

894
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Whereas if this guy is in the in the given range,

895
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: it gives you a true sense of where they are leaguewide. Kevin,

896
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: I know we asked you about stuff onto It last week. Um,

897
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: it seems like everybody's asking me every week. Any updates

898
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: on stuff onto It, anything new with steff onto Its

899
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: situation that we're very you know, we're very um excited

900
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: to see what the next step is for Stefan. We're

901
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: respectful of where he is and will continue to monitor

902
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: that and see where it leads. And um, you know,

903
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: Stefan went through a tough, a tough year and we

904
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: respect that and understood that. And where where it happens

905
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: from you know, the next step, we don't know, and

906
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: we'll always have that door open for him. Has he

907
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: expressed an interest in playing football next year? Absolutely? I

908
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: mean he wanted to play last year. You know, he

909
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: had a knee injury that you know, he had to

910
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: work his way through and obviously had the family situation

911
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: that um hurt that along those lines, but we respected

912
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: what he had to what he had to deal with,

913
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Speaker 1: and we tried to support him as best as possible. Kevin,

914
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: you do you put a lot of value and back

915
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks real quick on the field here just

916
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: watching them throw one after another after another. I was

917
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: called assembly line. You know, just you guys put a

918
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: lot of weight into that. You know what Matt you know,

919
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: you know having studied him, We've studied him in games,

920
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: we studied him in practice, we've studied him on film.

921
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: But when you get in these situations and there you

922
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: get to see a versus be versus c it's good

923
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: because now you get that comparison back to back to back,

924
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: and uh, it opens a lot of eyes. It gives

925
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: you different perspective, but it gives you that perspective of

926
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: a given player to given position, doing the same drill

927
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: a dB back pedal, next one back, you know, and

928
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: you see, oh wait a minute, he was better than him.

929
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: It just individually you get away from just that player,

930
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: but the group and how they how an individual might

931
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: stack in that group. Well, we are happy to be

932
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: back here in Indianapolis, as I'm sure you are as

933
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: well after not being here last year, not having this

934
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: evaluation process as part of that. But we do have

935
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Speaker 1: to take a break. We'll let you go, Kevin. Our

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Speaker 1: guests has been Kevin Colbert, the GM of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's Matt Williamson. That is Wesley Uler. I'm Dale Alla.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more coverage live from the NFL Scouting Combine right after

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