WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: Mom Fails & LOLs

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, it's Jackie Gulchnighter Jen Bessler, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>two Jersey j's. But we should tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we definitely should tell you something. It's actually not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be as dramatic as one would think. We

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<v Speaker 2>are still the best of friends.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot of What happened. Jackie is Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>on her own. You're on your own. What happened between you?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that I could say that it was that exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>It really it's just not that exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wish we could say. Actually I don't wish

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<v Speaker 1>we could say, but I mean I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people wish we could say that we got in

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<v Speaker 1>a big, old nasty fight because Jen is friends with

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<v Speaker 1>people that I'm not friends with, and we got really

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<v Speaker 1>mad at each other over that. But hence that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not what happened. It didn't happen. We are just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot to say, and so our own

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<v Speaker 1>voices are going to be highlighted in addition to two

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey jys. But nothing could ever take the place of

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<v Speaker 1>two Jersey jas because we have so much to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you guys and talk about, so.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's just stuff that. I think there's stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie really is dying to discuss that's personal to her.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some things that I want to discuss, and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys all know that Jackie has been through it and

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<v Speaker 2>written a book about it in terms of eating disorders

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<v Speaker 2>and her life, and so a lot of that is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really more I think appropriate for her to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss with you guys. She could delve into some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had some stuff in my own life that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So Jenna and I were just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how the weekend that just passed was the first weekend

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<v Speaker 1>that the show was not on, and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say was a nice little break. I'm worrying because we

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<v Speaker 1>had been watching the show. When you guys watched the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we hadn't been seeing it in advance, so if there

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<v Speaker 1>were any surprises, we didn't know about them until they

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<v Speaker 1>popped up on our screen. So like the night that

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<v Speaker 1>Thereesa said she was using me, my god, I sat

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<v Speaker 1>at my kitchen table eating and watch with my jaw

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor, and then my phone rang like four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred times. Oh gosh. So yeah, it's a nice it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with my three best friends from high school.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to high school in Houston, Texas, so once

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<v Speaker 2>a year we get together. One of my friends has

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<v Speaker 2>a home on the eastern shore of Maryland, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just so dreamy. And I want to say the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>was so separate from all things housewives, all things Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>in general, and it was such a respite. It was

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<v Speaker 2>such a nice few days of just you know, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but old friends and laughs and you know, catching up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was really nice. Yeah, I've been spending

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in my real world, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>my real world involves a lot of children, Yes, a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of children. And so today's episode we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about like the things that come along with

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<v Speaker 1>motherhood at this stage, like my kids are getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, your kids are out of the house, but

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<v Speaker 1>like still like in graduate school or like close to home,

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<v Speaker 1>and like what we thought would be a little bit funnier,

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<v Speaker 1>like what naturally came was like all of these memories

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<v Speaker 1>of and I think I'm a really really good mom,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like my best thing, but like all these memories

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<v Speaker 1>of like parenting fails throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Parenting fails, which we I think every mother has plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of those stories. I know that every mother has plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of those stories to tell unless they're really not self aware.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have any self awareness, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>you're not always a perfect mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also a couple we want to through in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of our the things that we're most proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, and the things we miss and the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't miss. But parenting fails. You want me

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<v Speaker 1>to start, or you want to start.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to start, But before you start, I

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<v Speaker 2>do also want to say that as a mom, you

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<v Speaker 2>know of little kids, and I'm not that anymore, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a wonderful relief to hear about other

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<v Speaker 2>moms and what they were going through and not just

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<v Speaker 2>all the success, right, like to share the fails and

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, misery loves company or whatever that is,

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<v Speaker 2>but to get that kind of support. So I love

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<v Speaker 2>this topic because guess what, I'm now a parent of

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty four and twenty two year old, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you there are still fails going on, might

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<v Speaker 2>be fails, and I'm sure my kids would love to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about them.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not here, so yeah, because everyone always tells

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<v Speaker 1>you loy enjoy every moment, and like, I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a whole lot of like no one talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the bad stuff. But anyway, so here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this stuff is really bad, Like at the

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<v Speaker 1>core of it, you love your children. Now it's just

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<v Speaker 1>your mess up sometimes, So okay, I'll start. Okay. So,

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<v Speaker 1>when Jonas and Aiden were not even two and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>I gave birth to Hudson and Alexis. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>four kids under the age of three. And when Alexis

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<v Speaker 1>was a few weeks old, I took her with me

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up Jonas and Aiden from nursery school. And

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<v Speaker 1>they were in a twos program and she was just

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks old, and I had not really been sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>of course I had. I was changing thirty two diapers

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<v Speaker 1>a day. Oh my god, they were all fourign diapers,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was like roggy, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>I go to pick them up and I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>older woman who I had I think she was somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>grandparent that I had always seen when I used to

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<v Speaker 1>go pick up my kids from the nursery school. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was waiting for the boys to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>their class. And she says to me, oh, you had

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<v Speaker 1>your babies. She says, what's her name? And I said, Alexis.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let me divert for a second. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish religion, you don't name after. In Ashkenazi, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>name after people who are still alive, right, only the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister had four kids already, she named after everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the time we got to my second set

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<v Speaker 1>of twins, everybody had been named after. So we chose

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<v Speaker 1>middle names that like, we didn't really just things that

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<v Speaker 1>we love, right right right. So Alexis's middle name is Harlow,

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<v Speaker 1>which I just love the name, zero connection to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So she says to me, what's her name? I said, Alexis.

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<v Speaker 1>She said what's her middle name? And I completely forgot

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<v Speaker 1>because the middle name didn't mean anything to us, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Plus your head is scram scrambling, And I said, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, what do I do. Do I lie and

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<v Speaker 1>say it rose or do I say I forgot? So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what, it's human. I said, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, I'm blanking. And instead of being like that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got four babies, she goes, you forgot your own

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<v Speaker 1>child's middle name, and I felt so bad about myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I would come back and I felt so bad. I

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<v Speaker 3>felt I said, oh my god, I'm the worst mother

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. How am I forgetting my child? Would like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I said. I said, I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so tired. And she's like, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, I don't think I've ever asked a

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<v Speaker 1>mother her child's name for her Okay, so the kicker

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<v Speaker 1>I came home. A few weeks later, we had we

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<v Speaker 1>had company over and I was telling the story and

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<v Speaker 1>Jonas and Aiden heard me. Yeah, you know, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks later, it was like the next year.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said, they said, well, what's her middle name?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said Harlow and they said it's Harlow. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know that. They said, oh, I said, what'd

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<v Speaker 1>you think it was? They thought it was Carlos w Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot my child's name. You know, why would they

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<v Speaker 1>think it was Carlos Harlow. They just couldn't. Before I

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<v Speaker 1>have introduced my daughter Rachel as Rachel Rose. That is

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<v Speaker 1>not her name. That is my niece's middle name. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's Rachel Faith.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, all right, So mine is the best news

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<v Speaker 2>about mine is that it's really about Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So my son's in middle school and he is running

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<v Speaker 2>for president of the class, and I guess it's like

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<v Speaker 2>his You start middle school in what in sixth grade?

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<v Speaker 2>Sixth so it's like seventh grade, right, president of seven

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. So we are invested in this, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are making the posters, we are making the videos,

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<v Speaker 2>we are campaigning. We are all just in and it's

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<v Speaker 2>I brought my brethren because he's he's like an expert

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like everything technical to make these videos.

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<v Speaker 2>And we went overboard, way overboard, like it should have

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<v Speaker 2>been like, you know, Zach with a bunch of markers,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us sitting around on the kitchen floor, you

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<v Speaker 2>know Zach for and said it was like way over

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<v Speaker 2>the top and really really sort of cringey. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so he runs for president and he does not win. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he actually won the next year, but anyway, so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't win. So my husband, Jeff becomes so enraged, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean just so cringe. I can't stand it that he

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<v Speaker 2>calls the principal yeah okay, and he insists that the

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<v Speaker 2>election was rigged. No, I'm not kidding, this actually happened, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because the time so they took the votes, everybody turned

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<v Speaker 2>into kids, put their votes in their little ballot boxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had the results so quickly that Jeff Vessel

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<v Speaker 2>was convinced they didn't have time to count them. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even talk, I can't even actually say it

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<v Speaker 2>without shuddering.

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<v Speaker 1>And their principle was the nicest guy. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't walk into that school for months. I was

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<v Speaker 2>so mortified. But worse than that is what he did

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<v Speaker 2>to my kid.

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<v Speaker 4>My son was so so embarrassed, embarrassed, like, are you

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<v Speaker 4>get a life like this is where this is called

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<v Speaker 4>getting too involved, dysfunctional relationships, no boundaries, All of that

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<v Speaker 4>rolled up into wine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a function of like loving your child so much,

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<v Speaker 1>being discompletely dysfunctional.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, I mean, we definitely laugh about it now,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was definitely like it wasn't mine, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was a parental veil for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. So one year we planned a very

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<v Speaker 1>big trip to the Dominican Republic and we got to

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<v Speaker 1>the airport, bags packed, and I let two of their

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<v Speaker 1>passports expire and didn't realize it. So we are standing

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<v Speaker 1>in the airport with our bags all packed, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>your passport's expired. And I said, we just got this

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago. They said, yeah, kids are every five years.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that adults are every ten years, but kids

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<v Speaker 1>are every five years. And I didn't know that. So

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<v Speaker 1>my kids are all absolutely hysterical crying. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>go home. I don't want to go home. I said, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in an airport. We're going to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked at everyone like this is on you too,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just did it to be one. But like

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<v Speaker 1>I do, like take responsibility for that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm always like I'll take care of that. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take care of that. I know, I let our passports expire.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a deposit, it was. It was a disaster. Sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>But if that's a fail, I need we need more time.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to extend episodes worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you go all right, So I'll tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>one because I think that it's important also to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about ones that are not necessarily funny. Yeah, they're just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things that that I wish that I had

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<v Speaker 2>done differently. So before kindergarten at at our school, at

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<v Speaker 2>our elementary school in Upper Settle River, the kids get

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<v Speaker 2>tested for kindergarten, and if they qualify for something called

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<v Speaker 2>junior kindergarten, they get into a year where it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like like a repeat of I guess nursery school almost

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<v Speaker 2>like it just they just they get tested to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they're ready for that next step. Right, So all

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<v Speaker 2>of the parents that I know, junior kindergarten is like

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<v Speaker 2>a gift in our district. It's such a great thing,

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<v Speaker 2>right because the ability for some kids that are not

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<v Speaker 2>quite there yet to have another year to develop before

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<v Speaker 2>kindergarten is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So both my kids were really really little in stature,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were both late in terms of the like

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<v Speaker 2>what is it called like like they were both born

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<v Speaker 2>la cut off by the cut off right now, so

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<v Speaker 2>they would have been like both of they're both like

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<v Speaker 2>some amongst the youngest in their class. Anyway. So Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>goes through the testing and they say to me, know

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<v Speaker 2>what she qualifies. She could she could go you know,

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<v Speaker 2>junior k Really she's like developmentally, she was always very

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<v Speaker 2>very behind little in stature and because she was diagnosed

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<v Speaker 2>with Type one diabetes and needed growth hormone. There were

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<v Speaker 2>always there was always stuff right, And instead of embracing

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<v Speaker 2>this extra help that I was being offered, I went

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<v Speaker 2>into I think, what was my Mama bear bs, like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't tell me that my daughter is not ready for

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<v Speaker 2>kindergarten and she knows her letters and her numbers better

0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.480
<v Speaker 2>than Zach did at that age, and just this whole

0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:19.280
<v Speaker 2>like defensive ridiculousness and said, I'm not she's going into kindergarten.

0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.040
<v Speaker 2>She did fine in kindergarten, made friends. I also was

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<v Speaker 2>very attached to the idea that she had already made

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<v Speaker 2>friends in nursery school and that now she was not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to, you know, be with that

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<v Speaker 2>group of friends she was in nursery school. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like where I went. And so I ignored this, this

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<v Speaker 2>gift that I was being offered and pushed her into

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<v Speaker 2>into kindergarten.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't even take it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't take it, thank you, and all about my

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<v Speaker 2>BS and my ego and my Mama Bear and my

0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.080
<v Speaker 2>kid and not really like listening to this is what

0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 2>your kid needs? More worried about you know me, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't need a kid that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>just complete and utter nonsense. I wish she wished sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>that you were. I wish that I was my age then, right,

0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.280
<v Speaker 2>raising this little kindergartener. I mean, she did fine, but

0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been such a fabulous gift

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<v Speaker 2>to have given her. And you know, kids, they just

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<v Speaker 2>mature at different times. We're here to talk about it.

0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.960
<v Speaker 2>She again, she did fine, But like you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that sometimes being one of the oldest in the

0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.320
<v Speaker 2>grade comes along with a lot of advantages as well.

0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.040
<v Speaker 2>It's sometimes hardest to be so young and so little. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's one for the list. The list is long,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's one you know. It's the ego.

0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.000
<v Speaker 1>The ego, and if I could get rid of my ego,

0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd have so much more peace in my life.

0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm working on her now because I do think

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes because of how I think they'll make me feel

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<v Speaker 1>and appear, but not because they're authentically, of course, what

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<v Speaker 1>I want. But a yes, that's another topic. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>one that breaks the fourth wall on our show a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's from years ago, though we're not recording

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<v Speaker 1>a really really long time ago, so one year this

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<v Speaker 1>might have been like my second season on the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, And so it was twenty nineteen. Hudson and

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<v Speaker 1>Alexis were only they were eight years old at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And during the season we had filmed, it was cold

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<v Speaker 1>out and I was taking a ride to my father's house,

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<v Speaker 1>who lives like an hour away, and Hudson and Alexis

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<v Speaker 1>were with me. So when it came time for the

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<v Speaker 1>show to air, sometimes there's things called pickups, right where

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<v Speaker 1>like if a line got like muffled on the microphone,

0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.520
<v Speaker 1>they didn't hear it, it was important. They asked you

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<v Speaker 1>to do it again. Right. So they had called me

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<v Speaker 1>and it was now like July, and they said, we

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<v Speaker 1>need you to we couldn't hear or this one line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very important so that people understand why you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to your dad's house. We need you to refilm

0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that scene. Said great, fine, They said the kids were

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I said, all right, I'll make sure they're available.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, okay, so you're gonna have to drive your

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<v Speaker 1>car on the highway. This is They sent me a

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<v Speaker 1>picture and said this is what the kids were wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay. So the kids had been in big

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<v Speaker 1>winter coats and you know, like heavy, heavy clothes and

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<v Speaker 1>big winter coats and like cats. And it was now July.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, okay, do they have to they have

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<v Speaker 1>to wear these coats and they were like yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting Hudson and Alexis and they're like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we wearing this?

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<v Speaker 5>It's so hot out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so hot, and I was like, listen, we'll blast

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<v Speaker 1>the air conditioning in the car. We just have to

0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>do this. It's it's not going to be that long.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to get on the highway. They're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be filming us on the highway. It's fine. And they

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<v Speaker 1>were like all right. So we get in the car

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<v Speaker 1>and I put the air conditioning all the way up

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like a hundred degrees in the car, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, so we have to shut the air

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<v Speaker 1>because we can't hear you.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm on the highway because my kids aren't miserable

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<v Speaker 5>and are dying of heat, and they're both zipped up

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<v Speaker 5>into a massive face winter jackets in like a hundred

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<v Speaker 5>degrees with no air conditioning on and the windows all

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<v Speaker 5>the way up, and I was like, I am the

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<v Speaker 5>worst mother in the world right now. They could not

0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.280
<v Speaker 5>understand what we were doing. Why we were wearing winter

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<v Speaker 5>coats in July.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt so Jackie, that would have kept me up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have definitely gone to town on myself

0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.600
<v Speaker 2>for that one up good. Yes, I know that they did.

0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:39.920
<v Speaker 2>They're here to talk about it. Okay, how about this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Another ego, one that I look back on and think, oh,

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.879
<v Speaker 2>JENNI forget a life. So again, Rachel was really really

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<v Speaker 2>small until she was now she's five five, but anyway, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>she took dance at this place called Studio L, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of her friends took dance there and there was

0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.320
<v Speaker 2>something there, so you paid for dance class were you

0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.320
<v Speaker 2>always paid for dance, But then if they were really good,

0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 2>they got into something called company, So you know what

0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. Okay. So Company was this competitive. It's

0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of a league, right, it was, and all the

0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 2>girls wanted to be in it, and it meant that

0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.080
<v Speaker 2>you were now going to compete. It wasn't just that

0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.040
<v Speaker 2>you were going there, you know, a couple times a

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<v Speaker 2>week and then at the end of it there was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a recital. It was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>that you guys, you know, the Studio L was going

0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.080
<v Speaker 2>to compete against other dance companies. Blah blah blah. Some

0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.959
<v Speaker 2>of these girls do it all through high school. It's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's this sort of almost like a lifestyle. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel didn't make company. Oh I shudder at this crap. Yeah,

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.920
<v Speaker 2>God forbid that my baby girl had to be disappointed?

0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Were here a no? I mean this is actually, as

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about this, there's like a theme going on

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. So I she was away at Sleepwoy

0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.680
<v Speaker 2>camp and I found out she didn't make company. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually like grossed out at myself as I'm saying this.

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I've marched myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I marched myself into that dance school and her

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.320
<v Speaker 2>friends in meet it, And I was like, how do

0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.199
<v Speaker 2>you do that to a kid? All the friends she

0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.119
<v Speaker 2>is hanging out with, they're all moving on now the company.

0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Except for Rachel. This is all she's wanted. And in

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>terms of like not all want it, but in terms

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Speaker 2>of you know, studio l and it's just it's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess I was loud enough. Jennifer, Yes, and

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.439
<v Speaker 2>you did your duty. Except that's done. Great, except that

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Rachel didn't like it. Oh yeah, she didn't like it.

0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.199
<v Speaker 2>She didn't like it. She never liked it. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't like the chore Mom, I don't like the choreography.

0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.680
<v Speaker 2>The choreography. Like second thought, well, I think we put

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<v Speaker 2>down a certain amount of money for a company and

0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.360
<v Speaker 2>it's just so cringey. I can't stand it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel is like, you know, like any kid would be,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like it. Before I one company, I

0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.680
<v Speaker 2>don't like dance. I'm not taking to dance anymore. Okay,

0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:09.399
<v Speaker 2>except I made a full I mean, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like there's definitely a theme here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So so when my kids were when Jonas and

0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Naden were potty training, so they potty trained, they were fine.

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 1>They were three years old. They were now out of diapers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I took them to the Carter's store in Edgewater and, uh,

0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.760
<v Speaker 1>we're in there the outlet. Was it an outlet store? No,

0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't, but it was big and we used to

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<v Speaker 1>like shop there all the time. Got him sort of

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.760
<v Speaker 1>missed those days. But anyway, so Jonah says to me,

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I gotta make a peepee. So I said, all right,

0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 1>hold on, let me put this shirt down. And I'm

0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.560
<v Speaker 1>going to find the lady and we'll ask where the

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom is. And I put the shirt down and I

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<v Speaker 1>turned around and he took a big piss in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle store.

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<v Speaker 5>So I didn't know what to do. He just whipped

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<v Speaker 5>it out and pissed in the middle stone. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's so I did so do and I like

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.120
<v Speaker 5>froze because I always try to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just grabbed them both and I ran and

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<v Speaker 1>I ran out of the store and I got into

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>my car put them in my car, and I said,

0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:15.679
<v Speaker 1>what do I do? What do I do? So I

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<v Speaker 1>call the store and they were like, Carters, how can

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I help you? I said, Hi, I was just in

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 1>there with my children, and I'm really, really so sorry,

0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:25.679
<v Speaker 1>but my son had to go to the bathroom and

0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 1>he peede in the middle of the store.

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<v Speaker 5>And she's like, oh, thank you for telling us.

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. It happens all the time. And I was like, really,

0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you have kids just piss it all over the store

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<v Speaker 1>to stop. Not so much with Carters, right, I couldn't

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 1>tell if I felt I think she was just trying

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:42.640
<v Speaker 1>to make me feel good.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine that people are just urinating on the

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<v Speaker 5>carpeting there.

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>But it made me feel a little bit better. But

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>my god, I was so humiliated, but also like I

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 1>felt really bad that I had like just left.

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 2>But then again, like what was I going to do?

0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Just going to complete nutter brain melting?

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I just they didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So the next one I have, I

0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 2>hope a lot of you guys can relate to. And

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm past it. It's about Halloween, and in my town,

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Halloween was one of the most stressful days.

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>It still is, by the way, It's just horrible. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I was so invested in, like what my kids,

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<v Speaker 2>who were they trick or treating with? Where were they

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.119
<v Speaker 2>going to be? I look back at it so sad.

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I was always just so worried that they would be

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<v Speaker 2>at the right place, you know, on the right block,

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 2>have friends around them. When I say right, I don't

0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 2>mean be at the right place, I just mean be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere where, you know, they had their friends and they

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:49.679
<v Speaker 2>were having fun and they were interacting with other kids.

0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 2>And it was such torture, I think, and all of

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.120
<v Speaker 2>my friends we talk about it now that the kids

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 2>are grown you know, the panic and then the throwing

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>of the Halloween parties and you know the I mean

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 2>it was this was probably a hope, more of a

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 2>stress on me than it was on them. But I

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 2>do remember, like every Halloween, just absolutely dreading it. And

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.159
<v Speaker 2>also you know the thing it's called what is it

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>when you put the bag of candy down, you run

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 2>away like ghosting?

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Ghosting?

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, the hell that is ghosting? Right, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the mothers like trying to get all of

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 2>the kids into their cars. And I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>just if I had to do it differently today, I

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 2>hope that my kids didn't feel the pressure of it,

0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 2>but I would have just said to my you know,

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.360
<v Speaker 2>fifty six year old self, let it go. I mean,

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 2>but honestly, like some of that still remains with adults.

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of adults still stuck in that

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 2>shit of the I'm going to have a party and

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>you're not invited of course, or like this is who

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.640
<v Speaker 2>like the cool people are, Like, I know a lot

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of older pople are still doing that kind of shit. Well,

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I can tell I can say this to you, okay,

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 2>And this is some thing that I definitely learned. This

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 2>is actually the thing that I want to say the

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 2>most in terms of like this episode and something that

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I think is so important. And my therapist taught me this.

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>So my kids went in and out of having a

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 2>ton of friends, and the next year they didn't have

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.199
<v Speaker 2>as many friends. Like all kids. Sometimes I was like

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>there were times where they were just completely you know,

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>alone on the weekend, and I would be so concerned

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and I would say to them, well, Rach, why don't

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 2>you call whatever homever? Why don't you do this? Why

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>don't you do that? And that was so I learned

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 2>now and I think now it was just the wrong

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>tact to take. So when your kid is being left

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 2>out or their home and other kids are out, especially

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>in this age of social media, like they know it.

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not stupid, they know that there are you know,

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 2>their peers are out doing things and they're sitting home

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason. And I would harp on them like,

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing tonight? Well, why don't you call

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>this one? Why don't you call that one? What that does,

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I've learned is creates a situation where they think that

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:08.199
<v Speaker 2>you think that they're a loser. They think that like

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the home has to be their safe place.

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I learned.

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And this is again after doing this where I was

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>just telling you guys about Halloween, but like, say nothing.

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I would say to all, if there are mothers listening

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.159
<v Speaker 2>that have young kids, and do what you want. I'm

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 2>not an expert, but I'm telling you this is how

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I feel now after years and years of therapy and

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:26.239
<v Speaker 2>raising kids and all of that.

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Not a word.

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Keep it to yourself because they should not have to

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>worry not only about the fact that they don't feel

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>great about the fact that they're home alone, but now

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 2>their mom notices that there's something wrong with them and

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>that I guess that's all wrapped up in like you know,

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Halloween and where you're doing.

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:47.640
<v Speaker 1>What are you going?

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Did you make plans with your friends? Like if I

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>had to do it all over again, I would say

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>completely quiet.

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I think like some of that is just our own

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>insecurities playing out on our kids because you don't want

0:25:59.040 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>to feel.

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Like, well, that's the trick right to a healthy One

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 2>of the tricks to I think a healthy relationship with

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 2>your kids is that to understand that they're not you,

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that there's like there's a separation between they're not they

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>are not you. They came through you, but they're not you,

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and let them have that.

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's funny because I've been made fun

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of for my fomo when I really I don't have

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>that much fomo. But I've been made fun of, yes,

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And I can see which of my kids have fomo

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.679
<v Speaker 1>and which of them don't. And I have two that like,

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>if you are opening an envelope, they need to be there.

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 1>But I have two that like really don't care at

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>all what else is going on, Like they just want

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to do their thing. And so it's funny, like I

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>wish the fomo ones didn't have as much fomo, but

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>like I see the way that they're like me in

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 1>some ways, you know.

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 2>But even if they have, if they have it, just

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 2>I wish that I had let them know that I

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't have it right for I have a friend who

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I just think is the greatest mother, my friend Jody,

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.439
<v Speaker 2>And she said that her daughters had jomo joy of

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>missing yeah ev and said that, and I just loved that,

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like there were just you know.

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>No one loves sitting there ass on a couch on

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a weekend night more than my husband. He loves it.

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>He does go out a lot because I make him

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>make him but he likes it. Sometimes. I like sitting

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>on my ass all the time, but he's a lot

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of body pain. He starts to complain after like two

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>hours at a restaurant. He's like, not comfortable for him. Okay.

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>So I one year forgot to get a birthday present

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>for a kid. So I was like, you know what,

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it's the same thing as a gift card. I'm

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>just going to give them cash, right Like kids love cash.

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>It's more exciting. No one here has ever done that.

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never opened a birthday card with my kid and

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>like ever seen cash in there. So I put in

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>some cash. So the next day, the mom texts me

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and she's like hey, She's like, did you mean to

0:27:54.840 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>give my kid cash? And I was like yeah. She's like, oh,

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just funny. I've just never gotten cash before. I

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to make sure you meant it. It's a

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>funny gift. And I was like, why is it a

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.719
<v Speaker 1>funny gift. She's like, because I just put it in

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 1>my pocket and book groceries. I was like, okay, but

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that's not what the point of it was. And I

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god. I am the worst?

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Why does that make you the worst? I can't any

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>mother that called me and asked me why it made

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 2>me like it was a weird thing. I think, like

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 2>they're the worst.

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Would you ever call a mother and shame them from me? No,

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if groceries thanks even more?

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, big gift your kids. I don't have

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that many more. I have half days that I've forgotten

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>where the teacher has called me and been like, hi,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>everything okay, and I'd be like, yeah, just out and

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>about They're like, okay, today was a half day, so

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>we have we have your son waiting here. I had,

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I used to have, well I still do. I think

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>porto potties are the most disgusting things on earth. I'd

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>rather piss out my ear than go into a porta potty,

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>okay literally. And one year at I was out with

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Alexus and there was no other option and she had

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>to peace so bad and the porta potty that we

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>went into was vile and I wasn't going to let

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>her sit on it. She was a little girl, she

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was like five years old, and I didn't know what

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to do, so I said, I'm going to hold you

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>up at a crouching position and you're going to be

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>And we were like that in the porta potty, holding

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>her like, you know, like scooping her up and she's

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in the air. We're hovering, I'm crouched and she's like

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't, like she probably cat, I can't. I'm holding

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>her there and I'm.

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 5>Like, you can't sit on this.

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>See.

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 5>Oh god, it was the worst experience. She was crying.

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I was crying, vile.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Ugh. I don't know if that was really a mistake

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>on your partner.

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Now. It was just like I didn't know what to do.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.479
<v Speaker 1>There's so many times I didn't know what to of course,

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it's scary. It is so scary being when there especially

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>well no that's not true. It's scary. It's always scary.

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you miss? What do I miss? You know?

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>We talked about this a little bit in previous episodes,

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>But like, I'm not that mom that's sitting around my

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>house that is like now that my daughter is actually

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>moving out in a week, she's moving into the city,

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the mom Like if they're good, I'm good.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Like when they're happy. I really like empty nesting and

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>that's not to say I look at pictures of them.

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Jeff can't even look at pictures of the kids when

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>they were young, like we were trying to get there. They're

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.959
<v Speaker 2>a bought Mitzvah montages together, and you get all of

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>For those of you who you know don't know about that,

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like you get all of these pictures and video

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>from when they were little, and you put on this

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>big slide show and it's Jeff couldn't look literally get

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>a walk out of the room. He even seeing them

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>younger now, he can't look at pictures sell become.

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Safe from my brother. I didn't have a bot metza

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a bar mitza a butte. Sorry, but everyone's bought Mitzvah

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and bar Mitzvah montage was set to Paul Anka's Good

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Morning Yesterday. Yeah, and even hearing the.

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Song thanks you cry well, I can't even now looking

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and especially the video is hard for me because I

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>just missed those people. They're not those people anymore. They're

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>not those babies.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>It's called the times of our life. Sorry. Oh, so

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you know that song right? Good morning yes today? Yes,

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I know that song. I know. Sorry, my voice is

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>absolutely horrific.

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, so anyway, So it's hard to for me to

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>but I am. I'm okay with my kids getting older

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still making mistakes, so yeah, all the time,

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and different types of mistakes. I think that it's a

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 2>very hard thing like now in terms of trying to

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>figure out, like how to help them financially, what's that

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>line I want them to stand on their own. People

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>have different ideas about that. It's like, there's so many

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>different things now that I screw up. But I screwed

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>all those things that I screwed up back in the day.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>It was just everything felt like everything I did wrong

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 2>felt like everything. Yeah, And that's another thing I think

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>that I would give myself. I wish I'd given myself

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>more grace. I know it's not an easy thing, yeah,

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I.

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Try not to be a yeller, but there were times

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember yelling at my kids and just feeling so bad.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like you say things in the heat of

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the moment, and you just.

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Remember, like yelling in the car because the mornes were

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 2>so crazy right before kiss and drop, And there were

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times where for whatever reason, and my

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:21.959
<v Speaker 2>kids would cry and then they had to get out

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 2>of the car to go to school for kiss and

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that was that. My day was over. I was so

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>sick to my stomach. And then you call the teacher,

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, and their eyes are all puffy.

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 4>And.

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, the worst not even don't look.

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you're crying the fact that they were going in

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you just oh, horrible, you guys, if you're

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>raising little ones, I don't know what to tell you.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I happened. I mean, they had a way of pushing

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>your limits, you know, and you're all we all make mistakes.

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing that every single mother looks back and thinks

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I missed the mark there, And you know, there were

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>other ones again that were just not funny. I mean,

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 2>my daughter was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>was twelve years old, and just that whole initial period,

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the whole initial year was so scary, so over the top,

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>difficult to accept to deal with. Our lives completely changed,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and I wish that I had even then. You know,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I would never beat myself up for this because it's

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a very hard thing and we all did the best

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>possible that we did the best we could, but looking back,

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I wish that I had. I don't have gotten her

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>on the pump quicker. There's always going to be that stuff.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's nice that to be able to

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>share it and also share the good decisions that we made.

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so tell me what.

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm the most proud of this,

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>but something I'm so proud of is the fact that

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I hiited. So Jackie and I are being that we're Jewish.

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>A lot of Jewish parents send their kids to sleep

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Boy Camp. I don't know if everyone listening, you know,

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>knows about that, but sleep Boy Camp is in the summer,

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>lasts about seven and a half weeks, depending I guess

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>on where you're from. And the kids started when they

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>were young, like eight years old, and a lot of mothers.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Jackie your kids did it.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>No, we don't tease way, Okay.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 2>So for my kids, I feel like it was the

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 2>best gift I could have given them. Not for all kids,

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>and probably more for my son even than my daughter,

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>but they it was such it's a hard thing to do.

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a very hard thing when they're young to say Okay,

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 2>bye bye baby, I'll see you in seven and a

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>half weeks. There's a visiting day. That sucks. There's so

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>much anxiety around it. You know, there are so many mothers.

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>There were so many mothers in the community that didn't

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>do it, that didn't understand. There's just a lot around that.

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>But if I'm looking at, you know, my parenting, and

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I think about the things that really help my kids

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and the ways in which they they grew and developed

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 2>self confidence, and I just think for me, for us,

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>sleep Boy Camp was everything. And they have these friends.

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Even now my son is friends with his sleep Boy

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 2>like living in the city and there's like four of

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 2>them and they're together once a week. You know, it's

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>just a nice and they became independent again. I know

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 2>you didn't do that, Jack, So I'm not trying to

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>say one is right or what. But the night kids

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>and our life that was, like I'm very proud of that.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So there's there's a thing at sleep Boy Camp on

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>visiting Day that I've seen on obviously on like Facebook

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 1>and Instagram where all the parents wait until like they

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>open up like the there's like a timer. Yeah, they're

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 1>running on the running of the Jews. Yeah, and then

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.359
<v Speaker 1>you running of the Jews and then you can run

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to say Okay, I want to know how hard you

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 1>trained for that running, Like.

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great that's such a good question. It's

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 2>not that I trained, but the first year we went,

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>So you bring candy?

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Did you have so much chex?

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand the first visiting day, so you bring candy,

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>well all that my son was there at that point,

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 2>but you bring like candy and toys and whatever. Visiting

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>day in a blanket because you park yourself under a

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 2>tree with the kids. You go see their activities and

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>you sit around, you eat sandwiches and whatever you do.

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So I'm getting on. We get a park in this

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 2>parking lot and then take the bus to the camp.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 2>So all the parents are parking in this parking lot.

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I had a suitcase filled with stuff for my kids.

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'm getting up on this bus okay, and my

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>sister and her kids are too, and we're taking these suitcases.

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Imagine having a suitcase filled with candy and food. And

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the other parents are looking at me, and I'm looked

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>right into the bus and I was like, don't judge.

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 2>And the entire bust little parents started cracking up because

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it was so it just was so over the top

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and your blood is like getting rushing and your adrenaline

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 2>is going Just to see.

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 1>The anxiety alone, I don't know if I could do it,

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, Evan, and I'm not right for everyone. We've

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>been watching the latest season of The Amazing Race, and

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>he's always like, one day we'll do this together, and

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can't either watch it. I have so

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>much anxiety. Are you kidding? Like, oh my god, Because

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm really good at puzzles and games and stuff like that,

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that. I think that I would

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 1>just have a total meltdown once I'm like pitted. I

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>don't like competing. I don't because I don't like to lose,

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>and I know you don't.

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>You're not.

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Just get a little bit like crazy, Yeah, you know

0:36:55.360 --> 0:37:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I get that. I am very proud of my kids manners.

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I think highlighted by this one story in particular, maybe

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a year ago, I had some I won't say which son,

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>so no one could figure out which friend. I had

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>some of my son's friends in the car and we

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>were driving, and all of a sudden, they all started

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>laughing and having an argument over who farted, and I

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>thought it was so rude to fart in someone else's

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>mom's car, and it smelled. It didn't smell like my kids,

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>like I know how my kids wan smell. And it

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was so vile that I had to breathe in another

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 1>child's guess. And it's one of my pet peas. By

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the way, one of the joke about New Jersey gets

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.439
<v Speaker 1>so angry about that New Jersey is the only state

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>where when someone farts in the car you roll up

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the windows. I cannot anyway, I was so like, I

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>thought I was one of the rudest things to do

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to another mother. Obviously, I didn't say anything to the kid.

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know which kid it was. And then when

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>they had all gotten out of the car, I said

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.479
<v Speaker 1>to my son, don't ever do that to another mother,

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, I never would, and I'm sorry,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that happened. Like they understand, you know, they're

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>always pleased, thank you. They understand. You know, Listen, kids

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>mess up too, They're not always you know, perfect. They

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>have a deeper sense of empathy. I think because of

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.439
<v Speaker 1>my brother. They've grown up with a disabled uncle. They

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.720
<v Speaker 1>know the stories from my childhood of how mean people

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>were to him and what it means, and I think

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 1>they would because of that. They're never like cruel to anybody,

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>especially like somebody who is disabled. They always like try to,

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, be a friend. But their manners are really good,

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>which I don't see all the time. I love that,

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah too, But let's see, I'll tell you something. I

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>don't miss anything in the middle of the night. I

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>always freaking hated that, like waking up in the middle

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>waking up in the middle of the night to clean

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.320
<v Speaker 1>up your son from getting like sick to their sch

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>oh my kids spoke that was time. That was not

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>peeling off sheets at three in the morning. There is

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>nothing worse. There's nothing worse. Yes, putting sunscreen on my

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>kids the worst.

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Now we're just talking about the stuff that sucks, not stuff. No, no, no,

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the stuff I don't miss. Listen, Parenting is hard.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>And because I was, Jeff was always working late. Like

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have we weren't that family that had dinner

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 2>together around the table.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have dinner together around the table. We just

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't be ause my kids always go That's another thing

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel really bad about. I've been shamed about that

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that didn't have dinner. No no, no about us not

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>eating family dinners. So we do when we can, but

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.720
<v Speaker 1>it usually was like once or twice and we didn't

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and we couldn't. And there's always kids with their activities

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and then the practices and my kids like to eat

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>at six and I like to eat it sapt thirty

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>eight like it just it did never really happen.

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>We so because my because Jeff is always working late,

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 2>and my friend Bonnie's husband was always working late. We

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>say we were sister wives. We raised like five kids together.

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>So it was either at her house or at my house,

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 2>and one of us was bathing and one of us

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 2>was cooking, one of us was which was actually looking

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 2>at it was it was really I mean I look

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.479
<v Speaker 2>back those days, Yeah it was. It was really cool.

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>But these kids were eating at the island. Two of

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 2>them were eating at the table, the others were running

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>around like it.

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't they all survived and it was like.

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 2>The four of us around the table, how is your day?

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I do know a couple of my friends who were

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 2>able to pull that off.

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>It was not us. Yeah, I know what. You grow

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 1>up watching all these movies and like every freaking night,

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>these families are having dinner together, and they're all like dress.

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's in pajamas and like they're having in

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not just dinner. It's a beautiful dinner and there's

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 2>salad and a wooden bowl with the wooden past the potatoes.

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Was you like a glass of milk potatoes?

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I have somebody reaching like putting their half their body

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>on top of the potatoes and ours.

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is no, this is not really I'm

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 2>not really sorry about this, but there were a lot

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 2>of chicken nuggets in my kid's life. McDonald's ones, do

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the Purdue ones, the baked pons. I just couldn't deal

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>with it. They would not eat. They were so picky.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, all right.

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Jonas actually didn't want to swallow for the first few

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>years of his life. I know. It was a really

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>bad I had to take him for food therapy. He

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't like the sensory, the feeling of solid food going

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>down his throat. He was scared of chewing and everything.

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>So we Yeah, it was a really big thing. I mean,

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>on top of all the other big things going on

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>to have four kids like basically the same.

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I have friends who've had very big eating issues, very

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>he was in food therapy for a long time. He

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>had baby food until he was like five years. I

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 2>have a friend whose son still is very, very picky,

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 2>but it was one of my oldest maybe my oldest friend.

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I just remember. She would only eat peanut butter and ants.

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>She would sit on the cur ants, sit on the

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 2>p and eat ants the bugs.

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:48.439
<v Speaker 1>My friend.

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I won't say her name, but if she's listening,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>she'll know who she is. Peanut butter and ants and

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 2>that's did that make her say? I don't remember. I

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>just remember, like this is a person. Like our mothers

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>were best friends, so we were literally like you know,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>from the time, and then we moved away, but we

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 2>reconnected happily and years and years later, and I just

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>we laugh about it because like you couldn't get her

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.439
<v Speaker 2>to eat anything and apparently appealed to her.

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Gross. But yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Now he eats

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 1>like I have no idea where it goes. But you know,

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>just on that note, it's maybe I shouldn't say this.

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't like to give tips. It's not a tip.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>But when I was really, really aner exic, sometimes I

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 1>would eat baby food. It was so bad. That's sad. Yeah,

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it was terrible, but it's you know, like there's nothing

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>to it. It's so light, like it made him feel comfortable,

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.359
<v Speaker 1>but eventually he got there.

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Listen, I mean, most stuff is all in passing.

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Most stuff.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I wish it's funny because I don't know exactly who

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>listens in terms of demographics, but if any of you

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>young moms are listening, like, please believe me, it all passes.

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is as I know some things are, but a

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of things are just not as intense and serious

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>as they feel at the time, you know.

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like look at I was looking back, you know,

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>when I was preparing for this, and like all of

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 1>those like things that I thought were like either disasters

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>or the biggest things, like I don't even remember them. Yeah,

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, and if we could talk about the show

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>for one second, it's like the same thing. Like I

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>had a bad ending of this season, and I said

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to a few people I'm really close to, including you,

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>like I've just had so much more than this, Like

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't want this to be my legacy, you know,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and everyone was like, of course not, like this is

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>right now, and then it passes, just like everything else.

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I wish it as we got older, things we could

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>where the world is an expression, where the world like

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 2>a loose garment. Oh I like that, but it's not

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>an easy thing to do. And yeah, it's true. What

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 2>do you think that in you know, a year from

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 2>now you're going to be focusing it'll just be something else.

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I know everything in.

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>The open, this microcosm of reality TV is you know,

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a different thing. It's a different animal. And listen,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been at it much longer than I have. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But even this whole thing about like me and

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<v Speaker 1>you fighting, I yeah, I think it's funny obviously because

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<v Speaker 1>we know the truth. But like, it's just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if everybody just wants more drama so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can have I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Even begrudge anyone that because probably as a viewer, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like very wrapped up in oh my god, this one,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not like I don't really know these people

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<v Speaker 2>show and I do like a reality it feeds into

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<v Speaker 2>that part of you that loves drama and still does.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I watch the other shows and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I won't even name names.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we both know, Yes, I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>that many other shows on right now. Yes, anyway, I

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<v Speaker 1>am very grateful that you and I are still so

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<v Speaker 1>am I And this was fun ye trip down memorily,

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly was, And I actually loved this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope if any of you younger moms are listening,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know definitely made you feel a little less alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can't believe that I didn't think of

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<v Speaker 1>the yelling at one, because there's so many times I

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<v Speaker 1>just yelled way too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, welcome, yeah, welcome, kiss and drop.

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<v Speaker 1>But everyone's good now, everyone's thriving, growing right, Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>we did something right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well listen. I don't know if it was us

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<v Speaker 2>or them. Yea combo combo. Yeah, my friends, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for listening, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you next you next time. Bye bye,