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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Jackie Gulchnighter Jen Bessler, and we are

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Speaker 1: two Jersey j's. But we should tell you something.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we definitely should tell you something. It's actually not

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Speaker 2: going to be as dramatic as one would think. We

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Speaker 2: are still the best of friends.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of What happened. Jackie is Jackie

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Speaker 2: on her own. You're on your own. What happened between you?

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Speaker 2: I wish that I could say that it was that exciting.

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Speaker 2: It really it's just not that exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish we could say. Actually I don't wish

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Speaker 1: of people wish we could say that we got in

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Speaker 1: a big, old nasty fight because Jen is friends with

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Speaker 1: people that I'm not friends with, and we got really

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Speaker 1: mad at each other over that. But hence that's just

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Speaker 1: not what happened. It didn't happen. We are just, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to say, and so our own

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Speaker 1: voices are going to be highlighted in addition to two

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Speaker 1: Jersey jys. But nothing could ever take the place of

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Speaker 1: two Jersey jas because we have so much to tell

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Speaker 1: you guys and talk about, so.

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Speaker 2: And there's just stuff that. I think there's stuff that

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Speaker 2: Jackie really is dying to discuss that's personal to her.

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Speaker 2: There's some things that I want to discuss, and you

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Speaker 2: guys all know that Jackie has been through it and

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Speaker 2: written a book about it in terms of eating disorders

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Speaker 2: and her life, and so a lot of that is,

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Speaker 2: you know, really more I think appropriate for her to

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Speaker 2: discuss with you guys. She could delve into some of that.

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Speaker 2: I've had some stuff in my own life that you know,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to share with you.

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Speaker 1: You know. So Jenna and I were just talking about

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Speaker 1: how the weekend that just passed was the first weekend

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Speaker 1: say was a nice little break. I'm worrying because we

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Speaker 2: I was with my three best friends from high school.

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Speaker 2: I went to high school in Houston, Texas, so once

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Speaker 1: It was. It was really nice. Yeah, I've been spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in my real world, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: It's like my best thing, but like all these memories

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Speaker 1: of like parenting fails throughout the years.

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Speaker 2: Parenting fails, which we I think every mother has plenty

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Speaker 2: But if you have any self awareness, you know that

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Speaker 2: you're not always a perfect mom.

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Speaker 1: But they're not here, so yeah, because everyone always tells

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Speaker 1: None of this stuff is really bad, Like at the

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Speaker 1: And they said, they said, well, what's her middle name?

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Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, So mine is the best news

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So my son's in middle school and he is running

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Speaker 2: Sixth so it's like seventh grade, right, president of seven

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. So we are invested in this, right.

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Speaker 2: So we are making the posters, we are making the videos,

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Speaker 2: And we went overboard, way overboard, like it should have

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Speaker 2: so he runs for president and he does not win. Okay,

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Speaker 2: election was rigged. No, I'm not kidding, this actually happened, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And their principle was the nicest guy. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I didn't walk into that school for months. I was

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Speaker 4: My son was so so embarrassed, embarrassed, like, are you

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Speaker 4: get a life like this is where this is called

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Speaker 4: getting too involved, dysfunctional relationships, no boundaries, All of that

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Speaker 1: It's such a function of like loving your child so much,

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Speaker 1: And I looked at everyone like this is on you too,

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Speaker 2: Halloween was one of the most stressful days.

433
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: Of the year.

434
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: It still is, by the way, It's just horrible. And

435
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: so I was so invested in, like what my kids,

436
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: who were they trick or treating with? Where were they

437
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: going to be? I look back at it so sad.

438
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: I was always just so worried that they would be

439
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: at the right place, you know, on the right block,

440
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: have friends around them. When I say right, I don't

441
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: mean be at the right place, I just mean be

442
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: somewhere where, you know, they had their friends and they

443
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: were having fun and they were interacting with other kids.

444
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: And it was such torture, I think, and all of

445
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: my friends we talk about it now that the kids

446
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: are grown you know, the panic and then the throwing

447
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: of the Halloween parties and you know the I mean

448
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: it was this was probably a hope, more of a

449
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: stress on me than it was on them. But I

450
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: do remember, like every Halloween, just absolutely dreading it. And

451
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: also you know the thing it's called what is it

452
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: when you put the bag of candy down, you run

453
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: away like ghosting?

454
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: Ghosting?

455
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the hell that is ghosting? Right, and

456
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: all of the mothers like trying to get all of

457
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: the kids into their cars. And I don't know, I

458
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: just if I had to do it differently today, I

459
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: hope that my kids didn't feel the pressure of it,

460
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: but I would have just said to my you know,

461
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: fifty six year old self, let it go. I mean,

462
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 2: but honestly, like some of that still remains with adults.

463
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: I know a lot of adults still stuck in that

464
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: shit of the I'm going to have a party and

465
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: you're not invited of course, or like this is who

466
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: like the cool people are, Like, I know a lot

467
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: of older pople are still doing that kind of shit. Well,

468
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: I can tell I can say this to you, okay,

469
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: And this is some thing that I definitely learned. This

470
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: is actually the thing that I want to say the

471
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: most in terms of like this episode and something that

472
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: I think is so important. And my therapist taught me this.

473
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: So my kids went in and out of having a

474
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: ton of friends, and the next year they didn't have

475
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: as many friends. Like all kids. Sometimes I was like

476
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: there were times where they were just completely you know,

477
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: alone on the weekend, and I would be so concerned

478
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: and I would say to them, well, Rach, why don't

479
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: you call whatever homever? Why don't you do this? Why

480
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: don't you do that? And that was so I learned

481
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: now and I think now it was just the wrong

482
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: tact to take. So when your kid is being left

483
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: out or their home and other kids are out, especially

484
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: in this age of social media, like they know it.

485
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: They're not stupid, they know that there are you know,

486
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: their peers are out doing things and they're sitting home

487
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. And I would harp on them like,

488
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: what are you doing tonight? Well, why don't you call

489
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: this one? Why don't you call that one? What that does,

490
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: I've learned is creates a situation where they think that

491
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: you think that they're a loser. They think that like

492
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: the home has to be their safe place.

493
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: I learned.

494
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: And this is again after doing this where I was

495
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: just telling you guys about Halloween, but like, say nothing.

496
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: I would say to all, if there are mothers listening

497
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: that have young kids, and do what you want. I'm

498
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: not an expert, but I'm telling you this is how

499
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: I feel now after years and years of therapy and

500
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 2: raising kids and all of that.

501
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: Not a word.

502
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: Keep it to yourself because they should not have to

503
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: worry not only about the fact that they don't feel

504
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: great about the fact that they're home alone, but now

505
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: their mom notices that there's something wrong with them and

506
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: that I guess that's all wrapped up in like you know,

507
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: Halloween and where you're doing.

508
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: What are you going?

509
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Did you make plans with your friends? Like if I

510
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: had to do it all over again, I would say

511
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: completely quiet.

512
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: I think like some of that is just our own

513
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: insecurities playing out on our kids because you don't want

514
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: to feel.

515
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's the trick right to a healthy One

516
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: of the tricks to I think a healthy relationship with

517
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: your kids is that to understand that they're not you,

518
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: that there's like there's a separation between they're not they

519
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: are not you. They came through you, but they're not you,

520
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: and let them have that.

521
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because I've been made fun

522
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: of for my fomo when I really I don't have

523
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: that much fomo. But I've been made fun of, yes,

524
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: And I can see which of my kids have fomo

525
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: and which of them don't. And I have two that like,

526
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: if you are opening an envelope, they need to be there.

527
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: But I have two that like really don't care at

528
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: all what else is going on, Like they just want

529
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: to do their thing. And so it's funny, like I

530
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: wish the fomo ones didn't have as much fomo, but

531
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: like I see the way that they're like me in

532
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: some ways, you know.

533
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: But even if they have, if they have it, just

534
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I wish that I had let them know that I

535
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: didn't have it right for I have a friend who

536
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: I just think is the greatest mother, my friend Jody,

537
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: And she said that her daughters had jomo joy of

538
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: missing yeah ev and said that, and I just loved that,

539
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: like there were just you know.

540
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: No one loves sitting there ass on a couch on

541
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: a weekend night more than my husband. He loves it.

542
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: He does go out a lot because I make him

543
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: make him but he likes it. Sometimes. I like sitting

544
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: on my ass all the time, but he's a lot

545
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: of body pain. He starts to complain after like two

546
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: hours at a restaurant. He's like, not comfortable for him. Okay.

547
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: So I one year forgot to get a birthday present

548
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: for a kid. So I was like, you know what,

549
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing as a gift card. I'm

550
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: just going to give them cash, right Like kids love cash.

551
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: It's more exciting. No one here has ever done that.

552
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: I've never opened a birthday card with my kid and

553
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: like ever seen cash in there. So I put in

554
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: some cash. So the next day, the mom texts me

555
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: and she's like hey, She's like, did you mean to

556
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: give my kid cash? And I was like yeah. She's like, oh,

557
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: it's just funny. I've just never gotten cash before. I

558
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure you meant it. It's a

559
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: funny gift. And I was like, why is it a

560
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: funny gift. She's like, because I just put it in

561
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: my pocket and book groceries. I was like, okay, but

562
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: that's not what the point of it was. And I

563
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. I am the worst?

564
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: Why does that make you the worst? I can't any

565
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: mother that called me and asked me why it made

566
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: me like it was a weird thing. I think, like

567
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: they're the worst.

568
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

569
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Would you ever call a mother and shame them from me? No,

570
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if groceries thanks even more?

571
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, big gift your kids. I don't have

572
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: that many more. I have half days that I've forgotten

573
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: where the teacher has called me and been like, hi,

574
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: everything okay, and I'd be like, yeah, just out and

575
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: about They're like, okay, today was a half day, so

576
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: we have we have your son waiting here. I had,

577
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I used to have, well I still do. I think

578
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: porto potties are the most disgusting things on earth. I'd

579
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: rather piss out my ear than go into a porta potty,

580
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: okay literally. And one year at I was out with

581
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: Alexus and there was no other option and she had

582
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: to peace so bad and the porta potty that we

583
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: went into was vile and I wasn't going to let

584
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: her sit on it. She was a little girl, she

585
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: was like five years old, and I didn't know what

586
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: to do, so I said, I'm going to hold you

587
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: up at a crouching position and you're going to be

588
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: And we were like that in the porta potty, holding

589
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: her like, you know, like scooping her up and she's

590
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: in the air. We're hovering, I'm crouched and she's like

591
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: I can't, like she probably cat, I can't. I'm holding

592
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: her there and I'm.

593
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: Like, you can't sit on this.

594
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: See.

595
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: Oh god, it was the worst experience. She was crying.

596
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I was crying, vile.

597
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: Ugh. I don't know if that was really a mistake

598
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: on your partner.

599
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: Now. It was just like I didn't know what to do.

600
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: There's so many times I didn't know what to of course,

601
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: it's scary. It is so scary being when there especially

602
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: well no that's not true. It's scary. It's always scary.

603
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: What do you miss? What do I miss? You know?

604
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: We talked about this a little bit in previous episodes,

605
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not that mom that's sitting around my

606
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: house that is like now that my daughter is actually

607
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: moving out in a week, she's moving into the city,

608
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm not the mom Like if they're good, I'm good.

609
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: Like when they're happy. I really like empty nesting and

610
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: that's not to say I look at pictures of them.

611
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Jeff can't even look at pictures of the kids when

612
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: they were young, like we were trying to get there. They're

613
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 2: a bought Mitzvah montages together, and you get all of

614
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: For those of you who you know don't know about that,

615
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: it's like you get all of these pictures and video

616
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: from when they were little, and you put on this

617
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: big slide show and it's Jeff couldn't look literally get

618
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: a walk out of the room. He even seeing them

619
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: younger now, he can't look at pictures sell become.

620
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Safe from my brother. I didn't have a bot metza

621
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: a bar mitza a butte. Sorry, but everyone's bought Mitzvah

622
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: and bar Mitzvah montage was set to Paul Anka's Good

623
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Morning Yesterday. Yeah, and even hearing the.

624
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: Song thanks you cry well, I can't even now looking

625
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: and especially the video is hard for me because I

626
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: just missed those people. They're not those people anymore. They're

627
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: not those babies.

628
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: It's called the times of our life. Sorry. Oh, so

629
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you know that song right? Good morning yes today? Yes,

630
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: I know that song. I know. Sorry, my voice is

631
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: absolutely horrific.

632
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, so anyway, So it's hard to for me to

633
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: but I am. I'm okay with my kids getting older

634
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: and I'm still making mistakes, so yeah, all the time,

635
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: and different types of mistakes. I think that it's a

636
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: very hard thing like now in terms of trying to

637
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: figure out, like how to help them financially, what's that

638
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: line I want them to stand on their own. People

639
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: have different ideas about that. It's like, there's so many

640
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: different things now that I screw up. But I screwed

641
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: all those things that I screwed up back in the day.

642
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: It was just everything felt like everything I did wrong

643
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: felt like everything. Yeah, And that's another thing I think

644
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: that I would give myself. I wish I'd given myself

645
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: more grace. I know it's not an easy thing, yeah,

646
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, and I.

647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Try not to be a yeller, but there were times

648
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: I remember yelling at my kids and just feeling so bad.

649
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like you say things in the heat of

650
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: the moment, and you just.

651
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Remember, like yelling in the car because the mornes were

652
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: so crazy right before kiss and drop, And there were

653
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: a couple of times where for whatever reason, and my

654
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: kids would cry and then they had to get out

655
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: of the car to go to school for kiss and

656
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: that was that. My day was over. I was so

657
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: sick to my stomach. And then you call the teacher,

658
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, and their eyes are all puffy.

659
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: And.

660
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the worst not even don't look.

661
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: Like you're crying the fact that they were going in

662
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: and then you just oh, horrible, you guys, if you're

663
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: raising little ones, I don't know what to tell you.

664
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I happened. I mean, they had a way of pushing

665
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: your limits, you know, and you're all we all make mistakes.

666
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that every single mother looks back and thinks

667
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: I missed the mark there, And you know, there were

668
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: other ones again that were just not funny. I mean,

669
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: my daughter was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she

670
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: was twelve years old, and just that whole initial period,

671
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: the whole initial year was so scary, so over the top,

672
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: difficult to accept to deal with. Our lives completely changed,

673
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: and I wish that I had even then. You know,

674
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: I would never beat myself up for this because it's

675
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: a very hard thing and we all did the best

676
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: possible that we did the best we could, but looking back,

677
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: I wish that I had. I don't have gotten her

678
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: on the pump quicker. There's always going to be that stuff.

679
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: I just think it's nice that to be able to

680
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: share it and also share the good decisions that we made.

681
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell me what.

682
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm the most proud of this,

683
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: but something I'm so proud of is the fact that

684
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: I hiited. So Jackie and I are being that we're Jewish.

685
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: A lot of Jewish parents send their kids to sleep

686
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Boy Camp. I don't know if everyone listening, you know,

687
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: knows about that, but sleep Boy Camp is in the summer,

688
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: lasts about seven and a half weeks, depending I guess

689
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: on where you're from. And the kids started when they

690
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: were young, like eight years old, and a lot of mothers.

691
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Jackie your kids did it.

692
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: No, we don't tease way, Okay.

693
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: So for my kids, I feel like it was the

694
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: best gift I could have given them. Not for all kids,

695
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: and probably more for my son even than my daughter,

696
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: but they it was such it's a hard thing to do.

697
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: It's a very hard thing when they're young to say Okay,

698
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: bye bye baby, I'll see you in seven and a

699
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: half weeks. There's a visiting day. That sucks. There's so

700
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: much anxiety around it. You know, there are so many mothers.

701
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: There were so many mothers in the community that didn't

702
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: do it, that didn't understand. There's just a lot around that.

703
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: But if I'm looking at, you know, my parenting, and

704
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: I think about the things that really help my kids

705
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: and the ways in which they they grew and developed

706
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: self confidence, and I just think for me, for us,

707
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: sleep Boy Camp was everything. And they have these friends.

708
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: Even now my son is friends with his sleep Boy

709
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: like living in the city and there's like four of

710
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: them and they're together once a week. You know, it's

711
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: just a nice and they became independent again. I know

712
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: you didn't do that, Jack, So I'm not trying to

713
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: say one is right or what. But the night kids

714
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: and our life that was, like I'm very proud of that.

715
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: So there's there's a thing at sleep Boy Camp on

716
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: visiting Day that I've seen on obviously on like Facebook

717
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: and Instagram where all the parents wait until like they

718
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: open up like the there's like a timer. Yeah, they're

719
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: running on the running of the Jews. Yeah, and then

720
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: you running of the Jews and then you can run

721
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: to say Okay, I want to know how hard you

722
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: trained for that running, Like.

723
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great that's such a good question. It's

724
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: not that I trained, but the first year we went,

725
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: So you bring candy?

726
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Did you have so much chex?

727
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't understand the first visiting day, so you bring candy,

728
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: well all that my son was there at that point,

729
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: but you bring like candy and toys and whatever. Visiting

730
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: day in a blanket because you park yourself under a

731
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: tree with the kids. You go see their activities and

732
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: you sit around, you eat sandwiches and whatever you do.

733
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: So I'm getting on. We get a park in this

734
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: parking lot and then take the bus to the camp.

735
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: So all the parents are parking in this parking lot.

736
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: I had a suitcase filled with stuff for my kids.

737
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: So I'm getting up on this bus okay, and my

738
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: sister and her kids are too, and we're taking these suitcases.

739
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: Imagine having a suitcase filled with candy and food. And

740
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: the other parents are looking at me, and I'm looked

741
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: right into the bus and I was like, don't judge.

742
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: And the entire bust little parents started cracking up because

743
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: it was so it just was so over the top

744
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: and your blood is like getting rushing and your adrenaline

745
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: is going Just to see.

746
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: The anxiety alone, I don't know if I could do it,

747
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, Evan, and I'm not right for everyone. We've

748
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: been watching the latest season of The Amazing Race, and

749
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: he's always like, one day we'll do this together, and

750
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't either watch it. I have so

751
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: much anxiety. Are you kidding? Like, oh my god, Because

752
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I'm really good at puzzles and games and stuff like that,

753
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think that. I think that I would

754
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: just have a total meltdown once I'm like pitted. I

755
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: don't like competing. I don't because I don't like to lose,

756
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: and I know you don't.

757
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: You're not.

758
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Just get a little bit like crazy, Yeah, you know

759
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: I get that. I am very proud of my kids manners.

760
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: I think highlighted by this one story in particular, maybe

761
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: a year ago, I had some I won't say which son,

762
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: so no one could figure out which friend. I had

763
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: some of my son's friends in the car and we

764
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: were driving, and all of a sudden, they all started

765
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: laughing and having an argument over who farted, and I

766
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: thought it was so rude to fart in someone else's

767
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: mom's car, and it smelled. It didn't smell like my kids,

768
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: like I know how my kids wan smell. And it

769
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: was so vile that I had to breathe in another

770
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: child's guess. And it's one of my pet peas. By

771
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: the way, one of the joke about New Jersey gets

772
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: so angry about that New Jersey is the only state

773
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: where when someone farts in the car you roll up

774
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: the windows. I cannot anyway, I was so like, I

775
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: thought I was one of the rudest things to do

776
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: to another mother. Obviously, I didn't say anything to the kid.

777
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know which kid it was. And then when

778
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: they had all gotten out of the car, I said

779
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: to my son, don't ever do that to another mother,

780
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: And he was like, I never would, and I'm sorry,

781
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened. Like they understand, you know, they're

782
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: always pleased, thank you. They understand. You know, Listen, kids

783
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: mess up too, They're not always you know, perfect. They

784
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: have a deeper sense of empathy. I think because of

785
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: my brother. They've grown up with a disabled uncle. They

786
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: know the stories from my childhood of how mean people

787
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: were to him and what it means, and I think

788
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: they would because of that. They're never like cruel to anybody,

789
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: especially like somebody who is disabled. They always like try to,

790
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, be a friend. But their manners are really good,

791
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: which I don't see all the time. I love that,

792
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: yeah too, But let's see, I'll tell you something. I

793
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: don't miss anything in the middle of the night. I

794
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: always freaking hated that, like waking up in the middle

795
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night to clean

796
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: up your son from getting like sick to their sch

797
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: oh my kids spoke that was time. That was not

798
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: peeling off sheets at three in the morning. There is

799
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: nothing worse. There's nothing worse. Yes, putting sunscreen on my

800
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: kids the worst.

801
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: Now we're just talking about the stuff that sucks, not stuff. No, no, no,

802
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: that's the stuff I don't miss. Listen, Parenting is hard.

803
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: And because I was, Jeff was always working late. Like

804
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: we didn't have we weren't that family that had dinner

805
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: together around the table.

806
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: We didn't have dinner together around the table. We just

807
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: didn't be ause my kids always go That's another thing

808
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I feel really bad about. I've been shamed about that

809
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: that didn't have dinner. No no, no about us not

810
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: eating family dinners. So we do when we can, but

811
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: it usually was like once or twice and we didn't

812
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: and we couldn't. And there's always kids with their activities

813
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and then the practices and my kids like to eat

814
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: at six and I like to eat it sapt thirty

815
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: eight like it just it did never really happen.

816
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: We so because my because Jeff is always working late,

817
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: and my friend Bonnie's husband was always working late. We

818
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: say we were sister wives. We raised like five kids together.

819
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: So it was either at her house or at my house,

820
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: and one of us was bathing and one of us

821
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: was cooking, one of us was which was actually looking

822
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: at it was it was really I mean I look

823
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 2: back those days, Yeah it was. It was really cool.

824
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: But these kids were eating at the island. Two of

825
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 2: them were eating at the table, the others were running

826
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: around like it.

827
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: Wasn't they all survived and it was like.

828
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: The four of us around the table, how is your day?

829
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I do know a couple of my friends who were

830
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: able to pull that off.

831
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: It was not us. Yeah, I know what. You grow

832
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: up watching all these movies and like every freaking night,

833
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: these families are having dinner together, and they're all like dress.

834
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's in pajamas and like they're having in

835
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: It's not just dinner. It's a beautiful dinner and there's

836
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: salad and a wooden bowl with the wooden past the potatoes.

837
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: Was you like a glass of milk potatoes?

838
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: I have somebody reaching like putting their half their body

839
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: on top of the potatoes and ours.

840
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: The other thing is no, this is not really I'm

841
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: not really sorry about this, but there were a lot

842
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: of chicken nuggets in my kid's life. McDonald's ones, do

843
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: the Purdue ones, the baked pons. I just couldn't deal

844
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: with it. They would not eat. They were so picky.

845
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: I'm just like, all right.

846
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: Jonas actually didn't want to swallow for the first few

847
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: years of his life. I know. It was a really

848
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: bad I had to take him for food therapy. He

849
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: didn't like the sensory, the feeling of solid food going

850
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: down his throat. He was scared of chewing and everything.

851
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: So we Yeah, it was a really big thing. I mean,

852
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: on top of all the other big things going on

853
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to have four kids like basically the same.

854
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: I have friends who've had very big eating issues, very

855
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: he was in food therapy for a long time. He

856
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: had baby food until he was like five years. I

857
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: have a friend whose son still is very, very picky,

858
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: but it was one of my oldest maybe my oldest friend.

859
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: I just remember. She would only eat peanut butter and ants.

860
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: She would sit on the cur ants, sit on the

861
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: p and eat ants the bugs.

862
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: My friend.

863
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't say her name, but if she's listening,

864
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: she'll know who she is. Peanut butter and ants and

865
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: that's did that make her say? I don't remember. I

866
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: just remember, like this is a person. Like our mothers

867
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: were best friends, so we were literally like you know,

868
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: from the time, and then we moved away, but we

869
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: reconnected happily and years and years later, and I just

870
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: we laugh about it because like you couldn't get her

871
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: to eat anything and apparently appealed to her.

872
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: Wow. Gross. But yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Now he eats

873
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: like I have no idea where it goes. But you know,

874
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: just on that note, it's maybe I shouldn't say this.

875
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I don't like to give tips. It's not a tip.

876
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: But when I was really, really aner exic, sometimes I

877
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: would eat baby food. It was so bad. That's sad. Yeah,

878
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: it was terrible, but it's you know, like there's nothing

879
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to it. It's so light, like it made him feel comfortable,

880
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: but eventually he got there.

881
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Listen, I mean, most stuff is all in passing.

882
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Most stuff.

883
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: I wish it's funny because I don't know exactly who

884
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: listens in terms of demographics, but if any of you

885
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: young moms are listening, like, please believe me, it all passes.

886
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: Nothing is as I know some things are, but a

887
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: lot of things are just not as intense and serious

888
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: as they feel at the time, you know.

889
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like look at I was looking back, you know,

890
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: when I was preparing for this, and like all of

891
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: those like things that I thought were like either disasters

892
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: or the biggest things, like I don't even remember them. Yeah,

893
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, and if we could talk about the show

894
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: for one second, it's like the same thing. Like I

895
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: had a bad ending of this season, and I said

896
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: to a few people I'm really close to, including you,

897
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: like I've just had so much more than this, Like

898
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be my legacy, you know,

899
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, of course not, like this is

900
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: right now, and then it passes, just like everything else.

901
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: I wish it as we got older, things we could

902
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: where the world is an expression, where the world like

903
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: a loose garment. Oh I like that, but it's not

904
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: an easy thing to do. And yeah, it's true. What

905
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: do you think that in you know, a year from

906
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: now you're going to be focusing it'll just be something else.

907
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know everything in.

908
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: The open, this microcosm of reality TV is you know,

909
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: it's a different thing. It's a different animal. And listen,

910
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: you've been at it much longer than I have. It

911
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: takes a lot.

912
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. But even this whole thing about like me and

913
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: you fighting, I yeah, I think it's funny obviously because

914
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: we know the truth. But like, it's just I don't

915
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: know if everybody just wants more drama so that they

916
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: can have I can't.

917
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: Even begrudge anyone that because probably as a viewer, I

918
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: was like very wrapped up in oh my god, this one,

919
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: because it's not like I don't really know these people

920
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: show and I do like a reality it feeds into

921
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: that part of you that loves drama and still does.

922
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean I watch the other shows and I'm like,

923
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, I won't even name names.

924
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I know we both know, Yes, I don't think there's

925
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: that many other shows on right now. Yes, anyway, I

926
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: am very grateful that you and I are still so

927
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: am I And this was fun ye trip down memorily,

928
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: It certainly was, And I actually loved this episode. Yeah,

929
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: I hope if any of you younger moms are listening,

930
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: that you know definitely made you feel a little less alone.

931
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: I think I can't believe that I didn't think of

932
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: the yelling at one, because there's so many times I

933
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: just yelled way too much.

934
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: And yeah, welcome, yeah, welcome, kiss and drop.

935
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: But everyone's good now, everyone's thriving, growing right, Yes, so

936
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: we did something right.

937
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well listen. I don't know if it was us

938
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: or them. Yea combo combo. Yeah, my friends, thank you

939
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: so much for listening, and.

940
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: We will see you next you next time. Bye bye,