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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. A longtime fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. As you know, we have been on some

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk with Ishmael uh uh. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: movie Dick reference, maybe not. We're gonna speak with bat Boy.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to hear from Rebel Devil. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about water as power source in a way

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Speaker 1: of our mutual favorite subjects, weird food. But before we

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Speaker 1: do any of that, I think it's time we talk

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Speaker 1: about invasive species. God, I love hearing about evasives. Didn't

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Speaker 1: we do something recently on this species? Yeah, the super

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Speaker 3: Heavy artillery to come back, Yeah, all of all of them,

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Speaker 3: every one of them. Not sure if we're gonna need

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Speaker 3: are definitely, uh, there are ways. There are ways, and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna hear about some of those ways from bat Boy.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, firstly, I love the show and I devoured

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Speaker 3: your book. Excellent work, Thank you, bad Boy. About three

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Speaker 3: or four years ago, in the New Jersey, New York area,

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Speaker 3: we started hearing warnings about the spotted lantern fly, an

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Speaker 3: invasive species with no natural predators here that are very

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Speaker 3: any if spotted. Okay, living in Brooklyn, it was rare

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming he means take care of them like you know,

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Speaker 3: Early September last year, I was at a town festival

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Speaker 3: to me, though, was the people. This festival became like

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Speaker 3: a real life whacking Day? Is that a thing? What

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Speaker 3: is whacking Day? I gotta find out about this, because

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Speaker 3: he says que the berry white, Yes, this is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whacking Day. It's an episode of the Simpson celebrated

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Speaker 3: and then that's the kind of thing we hear. You

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Speaker 1: Yeah, perverse incentive because they the government said, we have

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Speaker 1: life occurrences or things like that had happened. But invasive species, Okay,

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Speaker 3: You know, wasn't it like starlings that were introduced because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to really he wanted to bring all

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's okay, So we know that invasive species can

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Speaker 1: But think about the Pacific Islands, right, they are all

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Speaker 1: They're birds who carry and defecate seeds that sprout. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I just this is puzzling me. No,

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Speaker 1: Like when is it's like those old towns in New

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Speaker 3: You become a local. Yeah, I mean, well, the National

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Speaker 3: Geographic describes three qualities of an invasive species, one which

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Speaker 3: we were speculating that it has to harm property, the economy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the threat the spotted land entern

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Speaker 1: And more to come.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the spot at lanternfly is native to

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Speaker 3: they can spread their their larva. You know pretty far

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Speaker 2: the egg masses as they create that are absolutely horrifying looking.

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Speaker 3: your local craft beer, the spotted lantern fly could potentially,

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Speaker 3: Sound Ishmael.

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Speaker 2: Style on it, like the way you write Ishmael.

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Speaker 2: hydrogen spelled out hydrogn dot com. Now when you get

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Speaker 2: Little bit like the zodiac. Simo, guys, Oh, that's Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, that's fine, that's fine. Everything's cool. So if

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Speaker 2: Hydrogen is a leading developer of sustainable, actionable hydrogen energy technologies.

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Speaker 2: Our proprietary science allows for the production of clear hydrogen.

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Speaker 2: This means we use less space, less energy in our

435
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Speaker 2: lower cost compared to natural gas, fossil fuel, and existing

436
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: hydrogen production methods. Our ambition is to make hydrogen energy affordable,

437
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Speaker 2: accessible and simple for all industries to use.

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Speaker 3: That sounds nice. Let's do that.

439
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: It sounds amazing, right, yeah, let's I think, Okay, let's

440
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: do it. What do you need to do this? Probably

441
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: a lot of investors, right the startup money, I would assume. Wait,

442
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: hold on, it says no large infrastructure needed down here.

443
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: Even I wonder how or why we produce hydrogen using water,

444
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: No natural gas or electrolysis is involved. I've never heard

445
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: of that. I thought you had to send electricity through

446
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: the water with a great amount of electricity to separate

447
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: the hydrogen from the oxygen that you know, the H

448
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: two ozero.

449
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Speaker 1: And they're saying they can do this at ambient temperature

450
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Speaker 1: as well. They also say they've got a test facility

451
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Speaker 1: in Park City, Utah that's been open for several years.

452
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Speaker 3: Yes.

453
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: Yes, my understanding of the company is there that they've

454
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: existed out in Utah for quite a while. That's where

455
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: a lot of the family lived, like the creators of

456
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Speaker 2: this thing, and then they bought this mill, this former

457
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: paper mill out in New Hampshire to actually start running

458
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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 3: I guess. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I mean it all on the website. It all sounds great,

461
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: it all sounds amazing, but it sounds like startup talk

462
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: to me. You guys, We've encountered startup talk a whole lot,

463
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to science, like some new breakthrough science.

464
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: We are seeing the ramifications of that right now. I

465
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: believe the creator of Theirnose is now actually headed to prison.

466
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah, I mean the kind of thing that's

467
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: too good to be true. I would say this feels

468
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: like that to me on the surface, But maybe I'm wrong.

469
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: I I hope I'm wrong, guys, but I'm not sure.

470
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Speaker 2: Can we jump to the team really quick on that website?

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Speaker 1: Yes, but before we do, we should point out, Matt,

472
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: you made certain you really emphasized that any of us

473
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: who hadn't looked at pictures of the team yet needed

474
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: to hold for when we were on air, and yeah,

475
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: looked earlier, but I don't remember the faces.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's do it together. You're ready. If you're

477
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: on Q Hydrogen's website, go ahead and head over to

478
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: the team tab. Click on that, and you'll see a

479
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: picture at the top there of Whittaker b Irvin Junior,

480
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: who's the CEO of this company. He Whittaker has spoken

481
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: a whole bunch online about the company, about the tech.

482
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: You can find interviews with him all over the place.

483
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: You can also see a lot of official pr so

484
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: press releases that have gone out from the company. There

485
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 2: at least a few prominent ones that you'll find. There

486
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: are a whole bunch of folks working on this company

487
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: who are a part of it, who are either on

488
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: the leadership team according to their website, key advisors or advisors.

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Speaker 2: But I want you guys to focus your attention on Whittaker,

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Speaker 2: the CEO's father, Whittaker Irvin Senior. Do you see him,

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00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: Whittaker b Irvin Senior.

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00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, yeah, I'm in.

493
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: This is my guy right here. If this guy's got,

494
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: if this guy's got, this is my guy, Ben. If

495
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: this guy is the chief technology officer of any company

496
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: I am.

497
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Speaker 3: In, can you describe it to the to the class,

498
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: to the to the listeners at home.

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00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to describe it. I think if

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00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: you are listening to this, it is your responsibility to

501
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: head on over to Q hydrogen dot com, click on

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00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: the team tab and look at this picture.

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Speaker 1: How about we do this as a tease, gentlemen, Uh, Whittaker,

504
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: b Irvin Sr. Is exactly what you're picturing. Whatever you're picturing,

505
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: just tell yourself that. I think that's a way to

506
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of incentivize all of us to check it out.

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00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I will say you, guys know, I am not a fan.

508
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a physically shaming people know I'm not.

509
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: I promise you I'm not shaming.

510
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. He looks like he

511
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: means business.

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00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: In my mind, he is epic. If you want, if

513
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: you say Waker at a bar, like if I did,

514
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Whittaker.

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: On a T shirt. I feel like he also could

516
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: be in a boardroom and then get in wrestling match.

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00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Irvin Junior eight, it's so bad either. He's got

518
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: like a bit more of a buttoned up kind of look.

519
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: But Senior, man, remember that guy we met at the

520
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: bar in uh in Venice Beach, what's his name? That

521
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: guy's that amazing fellow with the long white hair who

522
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: was just wearing like the most incredible leisure suit of Alto.

523
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: This guy under his suit could be wearing that very

524
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: leisure suit for sure.

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Speaker 2: I I Whittaker, if you're listening, either of you, guys,

526
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: I am not casting aspersions. I don't think anyone would

527
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: be just saying you're awesome. If Whittaker be Irvin the junior,

528
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: the younger one who is running the show, if if

529
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: he's the face of the company, and then his dad

530
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: is the technology guy, come on, this has to be

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Speaker 2: legit and awesome.

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Speaker 1: Think I imagine, Uh, mister Irvan Senior would also want

533
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: us to mention that he has multiple patent and patent applications, right, Yes,

534
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: he does. He's got he's got a he's got good

535
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: what I would call inventor rap sheet. Yeah man, and yeah,

536
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: so he's doing the work not for nothing? Is he

537
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the CTO?

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00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: That's right?

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00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: Ah?

540
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Guys, all right, so keep your ears and eyes out

541
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: for news about Q hydrogen. I guess we just need

542
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: to say this. We are not in any way sponsor

543
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: or affiliated with that company. We are just interested parties

544
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: because if you can actually change the world with technology

545
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: like this, we're on your side.

546
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: And we want to hear from you, folks, especially if

547
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: you have inventions of your own. I just have to

548
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: throw that in there.

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00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, So thank you Ishmael, thank you Irvins. We

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00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: will be right back with one more piece of listener mail.

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00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: And we have returned with a very special thank you

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00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: to a pal of mine on the social meds, a

553
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: person named Rebel Devil who came over on Instagram and

554
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: always always hips me to some really cool stuff. Especially

555
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: I know we're especially onto something when multiple conspiracy realists

556
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: starts sending in the same thing. This is a story

557
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: about a small island off the coast of Italy, off

558
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: the northern coast of Sicily. Excuse me, and a weird

559
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: bunch of bakery hyjiinks they got into for many, many years.

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00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. We'll introduce this the way that the

561
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: way that Andrea Straphile introduces it writing for Vice Italy.

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00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: French writer Alexander Dumas traveling in the area in eighteen

563
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: thirty five, said it is harder to find a sadur,

564
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: more remote and more disbalant, desolate place than this unfortunate island.

565
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: It's a quarner of the earth, forgotten by creation and

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00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: stuck in the era of chaos. Even now, there are

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Speaker 1: no cars on the island. It's pretty rural. There aren't

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00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people living there. Most of the folks

569
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: are going to work in the fishing or shepherding industry.

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00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: And between nineteen oh three and nineteen oh five, these

571
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: people this island Alakudi, started having visions. The town started tripping,

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00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: or the community started tripping. They would say, I saw

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00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: witches holding a feast on that remote beach outside of town.

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00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I saw these sacks of things talking. I saw this

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: lady grow wings, and she flew off to Sicily to

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00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: go shopping. There are lots of clowns falling out of

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Speaker 1: the sky. For a while, people weren't sure what was happening,

578
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: until later they realize it goes back to the bakeries.

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00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: The bread and the biscuits contained rye that had been

580
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Speaker 1: infected by our old friend Claviceps purpuria, otherwise known as

581
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: ergot fun stuff.

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00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the debunked. Obviously, we've always mentioned this

583
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: debunked factors that could have led to the Salem, which

584
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: kind of panics.

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00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so, and ergot if you were called fellow

586
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: conspiracy realists. It produces an alkaloid called lysurgic acid street

587
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: name LSD or it's one of the basic, you know,

588
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: building blocks. And so the story goes that the population

589
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: of this island, you know, nobody was super fancy and opulent.

590
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Nobody is very very rich, so they wanted to save

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00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: what they could. We've all been in those situations where

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00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, this cheese might be a little bit questionable,

593
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: but let me cut off this part and see about

594
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: the rest of it, because cheese is already sort of

595
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: a gross enterprise when you think about it. I say

596
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: that as a huge fan of cheese. If you're listening,

597
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Big Cheese turned the entire episode on the cheese spiracy,

598
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: which is real and amazing anyway, So they want to

599
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: throw away food. They would see this infected rye. The

600
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: issue is when this rye is infected, it's visibly infected.

601
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: It's it's darker as a black color, and it's called

602
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: ashes or tisaneta in the local dialect, and they didn't

603
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: throw it away. They put it in the mill. They

604
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: ground it up, and they made flour. And then that

605
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: flower might go in storage, it might get recycled. A

606
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: lot of this goes a lot of the credit goes

607
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to an anthropologist named Paolo Lorenzi, who figured this out

608
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: in his master's thesis. He says, look, we have traced

609
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: out what happened. He started nailing down where the infection

610
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: could have occurred. How could this how could this substance,

611
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: this organism have invaded the local community. The crazy thing

612
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: is when we think about ergot poisoning, you know, like

613
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: you were saying, no, we think about the days of

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00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: Salem and the witch trials, or we think about, you know,

615
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the Middle Eight in Europe or the so called Dark

616
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Ages in Europe. This stuff was still in play into

617
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. So much so, yeah, so much so.

618
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: There was a There were documentaries about it where you

619
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: see locals just kind of shrugging and saying, you know,

620
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: if you'd been here thirty years ago, you would have

621
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: realized reality works quite differently on the island, no question,

622
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: Because they were always at an EDM concert without the

623
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: music ah, I have to say it's it's strange because

624
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: it launches a thought experiment, right, Like a lot of

625
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: psychonauts former or practicing now in the audience may say that,

626
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a downtime between consuming hallucinogens. Right, you're

627
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: not unless you're like what Sid Barrett or something, You're

628
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: not on acid for the rest of your life all

629
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Speaker 1: the time. Apparently, one of the local beliefs is that

630
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: when the residents would take this stuff, they weren't planning

631
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: to trip, right, they were just eating bread. It was

632
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: just time to eat something. And because they weren't expecting

633
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: a hallucinogenic experience, you know, it's all seen and setting right,

634
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: they because they weren't expecting it, it hit them with a

635
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: double wallop. And this was kind of a trial by fire,

636
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: and they developed skills that stayed with them. Like it

637
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: was normalized and it was known, and it didn't really

638
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: stop until the fifties because people started visiting the island

639
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: as tourists, especially hippies. Hippies started visiting the island where

640
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: people were having these amazing experiences.

641
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: How did they get themselves some of that bread?

642
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they did. I'm pretty sure they were.

643
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, It's like when someone in college says, oh,

644
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go visit Amsterdam for a few days on

645
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: spring break. I'm sure you're there for the canals, right,

646
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you are. So I'm pretty sure that

647
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: people were traveling there specifically to try and experience this,

648
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Speaker 1: or they had heard rumors and the way the story goes,

649
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: again leaning heavy on vice, it only here the way

650
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: the story goes. This persisted until eventually, quite recently, the

651
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: local church on the island said, this is the devil's bread.

652
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Speaker 1: We've got to stop.

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Speaker 3: Not the daily bread, the devil's bread. The devil's bread

654
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: is not the same as like the Devil's the devils lettuce,

655
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Speaker 3: that's the one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know. It's weird because anytime, at

657
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: least in English, anytime you add the devils as a

658
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Speaker 1: possessive to something, people are more interested like.

659
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Speaker 3: Don't want I want some of that? Yeah, which still

660
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: is the devil's nectar. Isn't that like like like the

661
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: booze the model?

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, for anybody's thinking of starting your own show,

663
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: we will just give you the Devil's podcast. It's a

664
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: free idea. If that hasn't been taken yet, someone's going

665
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: to do it. I bet someone's done it, right. The

666
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: name's just right there. I reckon so well, apparently this

667
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: disappeared completely in the nineteen sixties, and you know, we're

668
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm having some fun with us, but I do have

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Speaker 1: to admit we should be really cognizant of the fact

670
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: that safety is key here. Whenever you are consuming something,

671
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: whether that's for a spiritual epiphany or journey, or whether

672
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: that's purely recreational, have safety measures in place. Right. There's

673
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: a reason that ayahuasca is taken in a controlled setting, right,

674
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: administered by a spiritual expert. And if you are like

675
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: imagine you're on the road with us, your pals a stuff.

676
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. We're doing some live

677
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: shows and I don't know, pick a weird place.

678
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: We know we said that at the same time that

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Speaker 3: was not planned.

680
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: We're manifesting it. So we're on the mini streets of.

681
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Speaker 4: Poughkeepsie away sorry coffee bro. So we're at Poughkeepsie and

682
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: we go to this bakery and we just say, hey, okay,

683
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: we're just gonna get you know, some sandwiches because we

684
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of time.

685
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Speaker 1: To eat, and you're hanging out with us eating and

686
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: then it doesn't. The thing is that stuff doesn't kick

687
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: in immediately. We're done with the sandwiches, we're walking. We

688
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: don't know if we're doing the show yet or if

689
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: the show has just sort of started. And if you

690
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: have ever been in that situation where the hallucinogens kick in,

691
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, it can be one of the most amazing, delightful,

692
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: revelatory experiences, or it could be absolutely terrified. And I

693
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: pause it that if you are unsuspectingly consuming something, it's

694
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: terrifying when it hits you. So it's very good that

695
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: the locals here on this island have been able to

696
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: figure out the cause of this over an Alakudy and

697
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: have been able to phase it out. But it also

698
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I think it was surprising to me and probably rebels

699
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: surprising you as well that this persisted so recently, Right

700
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: like ergot poisoning, which is essentially what this is, could

701
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: happen so close to the modern day because when it

702
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: finally disappears for now And dude, that's the thing though,

703
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I love weird food, so.

704
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: That wasn't that part of the debunking of the Salem stuff,

705
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: that the occurrence of it didn't match up with the

706
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Speaker 3: timeline of the trials.

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00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, I believe

708
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: you're correct. Guys know, I love weird food. I think

709
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: we all do what might be called adventurous eaters. Maybe

710
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm a little further along the spectrum than some. That's fine,

711
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: no judgment, AKA, don't judge me. But this would be

712
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: on my list of foods to try. You know, if

713
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: we are well, bread.

714
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: Laced with the devil's bread, the devil's bread, I will

715
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: doesn't it.

716
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: Form on corn too? Can't she eat like corn that's

717
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: got like the fungus on it? I want to say, like, Okay,

718
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: that's the one that does that one make you trip to?

719
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: Or is that one just tasty?

720
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: No, it's just infected corn kernels and it's pretty it's

721
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. Also, uh, some people are turned off by

722
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: the origin of this particular thing.

723
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: They don't want to infected the word infected in their food.

724
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, for most people, if you knew the

725
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: origin of some of the stuff you're eating, it would

726
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: it would turn you off, right, It's something people don't

727
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: think about check out our episodes on big Business Agriculture.

728
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: I would shout out to the people, and it's whose

729
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: first recommendations were. Like one of our friends, a guy

730
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I lovingly referred to as the mayor of Ponce. Uh,

731
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: one of his first comments was to recommend like how

732
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: to make good tacos out of this out of the

733
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: super pigs. So that's why me and that guy kick

734
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: at shout out Luiz. But uh, there's another thing I

735
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: want to I hope I can convince us to try.

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up this listener mail, I would love

737
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: to hear from anybody who is consumed Kazu Marzu. It's

738
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: one of the top things on my list. If you

739
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: guys ever tried this, I'm sure I have one of those.

740
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: Fish that will kill you if you get the wrong piece.

741
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Not quite but but yeah, let's put fugu on the

742
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: list too, because you got to go to Japan. Doc said,

743
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: she wants.

744
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: You want to you want to get numbed out, but

745
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: not like killed where you sit. Yeah, right, that's the no.

746
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: No no no, no, no no no. I think I

747
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: know what this is, Ben.

748
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: You might because I haven't shut up about it for

749
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: like a decade.

750
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't think.

751
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: I know, Matt knows. That's the only way to be

752
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: making that face. All right, Noel, there is a cheese.

753
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: It is only made in Sardinia, although there's a version

754
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: of it that exists in France. It is illegal even

755
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: in the places where it's made. You got to be

756
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: like under in the underground cheese community. You gotta have

757
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: some pool and some juice. T eat Kazu Marzu. It

758
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: is a sheep milk cheese that is most famous.

759
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: Got maggots, doesn't.

760
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: That because of the maggots. Yeah, and they're active, they're jumping,

761
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, coming.

762
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: You feel them regular around in there. Huh. That's part

763
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: of the the appeal. That's a bridge too far from me,

764
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: my good sir, and I to them and what I'd

765
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: like to consider an adventurous eater. But you can have

766
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: all the maggot cheese you want, all right, Well, I

767
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: have some.

768
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: I have some. You guys, just hang out with me

769
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: while we're eating them.

770
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: You don't have to describe it.

771
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: If you want me to, just text you guys what

772
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm on the way back.

773
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: You know how you feel maybe brushrush yeah, yeah, people, Yeah.

774
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read the short excerpt from Wikipedia.

775
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: You ready, Yes, You're ready.

776
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: Casu Matsu is created by leaving whole pecorino cheeses outside

777
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: with part of the rind removed to allow the eggs

778
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: of the cheese fly to be laid in the cheese.

779
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: A female can lay more than five hundred eggs at

780
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: one time. The eggs hatch and the larvae begin to

781
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: eat through the cheese. The acid from the maggot's digestive

782
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: system breaks down the cheese's fats.

783
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,479
Speaker 1: It's a very soft cheese. Pecorino, I think we can agree,

784
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: is a good cheese to begin with.

785
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: It's a good cheese. You know, this reminds me of it,

786
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: Like there's coffee beans that only come from like gibbons

787
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: or whatever you know them, I said, gibbon sibbit. Excuse

788
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 3: me again. I'm obviously not a what you call it

789
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: a monkey doctor.

790
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: They're right, like I'm not a math surgeon. So we'll

791
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: wrap this up because I feel like somewhere out there

792
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: someone will try kasu mars with me, or has at

793
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: least tried it once. And what is what's the weirdest

794
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: food you tried? What's your line? Where's the threshold pass?

795
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: Where you won't go. We've got a lot of vegans

796
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: pescatarians in the crowd. I actually stopped the octopus, which

797
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I feel very very sanctimonious about. I just couldn't do

798
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: it anymore.

799
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: I always thought that I was really brave for like

800
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: having eaten s cargo since I was a little kid.

801
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: But that's just not going to cut it anymore in

802
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: this crowd, with this crew.

803
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: And this is where we want to leave it today.

804
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: We wanted to end on one of the great human unifiers,

805
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: which is food. Where's the line for you? Would you

806
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: eat an invasive species? If the lantern fly became if

807
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: the spotted lantern fly started showing up on menu, would

808
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: you give it a go? Obviously?

809
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: I would.

810
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Where do you think q hydrogen is headed in the future?

811
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: And again, what is the weirdest food you have already

812
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: tried or that you would try in the world. Oh,

813
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: by the way, the Indian government just came out recently

814
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: and said drinking cal urine is not good for you.

815
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: So oh cool, hot take there. We're really worried. We're

816
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: really thinking about that one the weekend. Gay, what's your

817
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: take on drinking calurin? You can reach us in a

818
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: couple of ways, one of which is the Internet of Ways,

819
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: sort of like the Internet of Things. You can find

820
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: us on all the social media of choice pretty much

821
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: except for Pinterest. We are conspiracy stuff on YouTube on

822
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: Facebook where we have Here's Wheck It's Crazy, the group,

823
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 3: the movie The Ride, and then we also have a

824
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: Twitter which is also a conspiracy Conspiracy stuff show is

825
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: what we are on Instagram and TikTok. Hey, do you

826
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: have a phone?

827
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: Do you like to use your mouth to make sounds

828
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 2: into that phone that other people can hear? Well, guess

829
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: what you can call us, really, we'll hear you. All

830
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: you have to do is dial one eight three three

831
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Speaker 2: to one of the episodes, if you've got a question,

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00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,280
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00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: please please give us a call. When you do call in,

835
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00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
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837
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: keep it confidential. Here, wasn't there a song about confidential?

838
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: I think it's one song?

839
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, Well don't do that. Don't do any

840
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,279
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00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,800
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843
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,960
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844
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,759
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845
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